[00:56] <ali1234> when i run steam the indicator background goes transparent
[00:58] <Unit193> Updates do it for me.
[00:58] <bluesabre> looking at it funny does it for me
[00:59] <bluesabre> slickymaster, jjfrv8: let me know if you need me to document anything beyond this. http://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=menulibre_usage
[00:59] <bluesabre> I'll try to populate the other menulibre pages now
[01:02] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, thanks. I'll read through it while doing upgrade tests :)
[01:10] <bluesabre> great
[01:10] <bluesabre> finished the rest of the pages too
[01:10] <bluesabre> menulibre docs: http://wiki.smdavis.us/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs
[01:25] <ochosi> ali1234: have you tested the patch here yet? https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10658
[01:47] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, I've read through the pages and they did shed some light for me.
[01:52] <jjfrv8> once I get my machine back after the upgrade testing I'll try working with it again.
[01:53] <jjfrv8> I had some issues with launchers disappearing after adding and saving and I couldn't figure out how to get a launcher to go under a newly added directory
[01:53] <jjfrv8> but maybe I was doing something wrong.
[01:57] <bluesabre> ah
[01:58] <bluesabre> that might be something I overlooked
[01:58] <bluesabre> :D
[02:01] <bluesabre> I'll go ahead and make it so new launchers added when a directory is selected are inserted in that directory
[02:02] <jjfrv8> alrighty
[02:03] <bluesabre> I'll shoot for a new release this weekend
[02:11] <jjfrv8> first time ever in my life I've done an actual upgrade. is this normal? http://imagebin.org/292848
[02:11] <Unit193> Just about, though I use do-release-upgrade myself.
[02:13] <jjfrv8> ok, I was following the testcase: update-manager -d -c
[02:14] <Unit193> (I'm putting in context, not quite sure what the GUI will have.)
[02:17] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: usually we only get those during the dev cycle
[02:18] <jjfrv8> ok, so no need to report it then?
[02:28] <jjfrv8> back tomorrow (today)
[02:32] <bluesabre> probably safe to report it just in case, but it has probably already been logged by somebody
[05:41] <Noskcaj> ochosi, current error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6918300/
[08:28] <Noskcaj> ochosi, any idea about the ftbfs?
[08:29] <ochosi> Noskcaj: why is configure running twice?
[08:30] <Noskcaj> I have no idea
[08:30] <Noskcaj> perhaps the dh_autoreconf xdt-autogen
[08:31] <ochosi> the last build problem i saw and that we got fixed in the daily packages for the indicator-plugin was related to that
[08:31] <ochosi> it ran ./autogen.sh first and then ./configure
[08:31] <ochosi> anyhow, it's weird, that first there's no gtk3 support and in the second configure there suddenly is
[08:42] <Noskcaj> I'll have a look at the daily ppa package.
[08:43] <ochosi> the daily PPA package is only for the indicator-plugin though
[08:43] <ochosi> and it's here: https://code.launchpad.net/~landronimirc/+archive/xfce-daily
[08:44] <Noskcaj> Yeah, but i can probably copy d/rules
[09:11] <ali1234> ochosi: that patch isn't right :/
[09:14] <ali1234> eric_the_idiot: what do you think https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10658 ?
[09:14] <ali1234> (the patch patches your patch)
[09:24] <ali1234> maybe it should actually if if(alpha > 0 || ..
[09:39] <Unit193> knome: Can you approve half or my merge now, half later? :P
[10:59] <slickymaster-job> morning all
[11:53] <knome> Unit193, hah, you got to do two separate merges in that case :P
[12:39] <ochosi> #info: new light-locker stable release (1.2) planned for the weekend (adds time-based locking feature), bregma said he'll try to package it before FF
[13:21] <ochosi> folks, have any of you noticed how unusable awful gthumb looks in trusty?
[13:22] <ochosi> it uses a headerbar, which ubuntu patched out in all other gnome3 apps, not sure why this one slipped
[13:31] <brainwash> ochosi: so they patched most of the gnome 3.10 apps to hide it.. interesting
[13:48] <ochosi> yup, e.g. evince
[13:48] <ochosi> it even has a normal menu again \o/
[14:04] <ochosi> asked around, seems we'd have to fix gthumb ourselves. do we really want to ship an app with two window-decorations? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-12-150415.php
[14:04] <ochosi> ali1234: do you think your xfwm4 patch would be safe to include in 14.04 to prevent this mess ^ ?
[15:47] <Arch-Xfce> Hi everyone, it's me, again :D
[15:48] <Arch-Xfce> Sadly, I can't find a way to compile easily ido-gtk2 on my Arch box and I need that software to have Xubuntu sound gtk2 indicator on Arch.
[15:48] <Arch-Xfce> But I'm not easy to scare so I'm looking for some instruction to compile xfce-panel with gtk3 support.
[15:48] <Arch-Xfce> Someone can help me or point me to some sort of guide?
[15:49] <Arch-Xfce> Thanks.
[15:50]  * knome points Arch-Xfce to #archlinux
[15:50] <knome> wait
[15:50]  * knome is good at misreading today
[15:50] <Arch-Xfce> Well, in this you're probably right since it's not directly a Xubuntu problem.
[15:50] <knome> though i'd still ask that channel about ido-gtk2
[15:51] <knome> and possibly #xfce-dev for the gtk3 panel stuff
[15:51] <Arch-Xfce> Thanks anyway ;)
[15:51] <Arch-Xfce> ^^
[15:52] <knome> no problem, and good luck
[16:11] <eric_the_idiot> ali1234, unless we're doing sanity checks on the alpha value, why have the if statement? I submitted a patch to the bug report.
[16:19] <knome> is there anybody in the team who would be interested in being an admin for the xubuntu facebook and/or google+ groups?
[16:19] <knome> or, why not outside the team as well
[16:19] <holstein> knome: you can put me on the short list
[16:20] <holstein> knome: i admin a facebook LUG page
[16:20] <knome> holstein, you should be in touch with pleia2 
[16:20] <knome> holstein, we have a few admins per group, but we're looking to add more people into them
[16:20] <holstein> knome: not sure about G+, but, i bet i can handle it
[16:20] <knome> holstein, so it's not like you'd have to take care "running" them really...
[16:20] <holstein> yeah.. just check in every now and then.. i can do that
[16:20] <holstein> get alerts and put out fires :)
[16:20] <knome> yep, and maybe post a news here and then or so
[16:21] <holstein> sure.. 
[16:21] <knome> something like that :)
[16:21] <knome> pleia2, ping!
[16:21] <knome> holstein, and thanks! i'd be happy to add you to the admins :)
[16:24] <knome> elfy, what are your plans re: the "improving QA tasks"? would you like to do that during the cycle, or after?
[17:56] <ArchXfce> Hi everyone, I'm trying to compile xfce4-panel with gtk3 support
[17:56] <ArchXfce> I already tried with --enable-gtk3 and --with-gtk3 but with no success.
[17:56] <ArchXfce> What kind of option I need to pass to autogen.sh?
[17:56] <ArchXfce> Thanks :D
[17:56] <ArchXfce> I already asked on #xfce and #xfce-dev with no success :(
[17:58] <holstein> they will be the ones to answer.. its coming from them
[17:58] <holstein> i would just go back to the basics. do you have everything that is required..
[17:59] <ArchXfce> holstein: I know, but I also know that many people here know the kung fu of Xfce, so...
[17:59] <ArchXfce> Yes, I've got everything, it just give me this warning: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-gtk3
[17:59] <ArchXfce> So I guess I'm passing the wrong parameter to autogen.sh
[17:59] <holstein> sure.. and im not kicking you out of here, or anything... im just saying, its not from here
[18:00] <holstein> why would that be a recognized option?
[18:00] <ArchXfce> holstein: I don't know, with Parole or libxfceui I can enable gtk3 support this way
[18:02] <holstein> ArchXfce: sure.. but, they are different applications with different code
[18:02] <holstein> ArchXfce: you would need to talk to who creates that code and ask how to enable that, specifically
[18:03] <ArchXfce> holstein: just found out that xfce4-panel is already with gtk3 support... I'm an idiot.
[18:03] <ArchXfce> Thanks ;)
[18:19] <pleia2> I still haven't got into contact with the g+ guy to add more admins :(
[18:20] <pleia2> happy to have holstein added as fb admin, the RSS syncing takes care of actual posting, the work is mostly responding to private messages (mostly answering "please ask support questions in public areas, $link")
[18:20] <holstein> pleia2: im into it.. however i can help
[18:23] <pleia2> holstein: can you PM me the email address you use for facebook? (only way I can add new admins)
[18:27] <knome> pleia2, what kind of contact information did we have for the g+ admin again?
[18:28] <pleia2> knome: google hangouts/talk, sharing posts on g+ (which should email him, depending on settings)
[18:29] <knome> we don't have a direct email?
[18:29] <knome> and what's his name again
[18:29] <pleia2> I sent a message in hangouts a couple days ago, previously shared a post
[18:29] <knome> okay
[18:29] <pleia2> Knez Nenc
[18:29] <knome> hope he asnwers soon
[18:30] <pleia2> https://plus.google.com/u/0/102187694603676153622/posts
[18:30] <pleia2> hasn't posted in a while :\
[18:30] <pleia2> had I known that regular admins couldn't add new people, I would have handled this resource differently!
[18:30] <knome> UFFF
[18:31] <knome> any idea how google handles takeovers?
[18:31] <pleia2> that's my next avenue of exploration
[18:31] <knome> oki, thanks for taking care
[19:22] <Noskcaj> thunar fix is done, xkb-plugin is now 0.7, might need testing
[20:14] <Noskcaj> Do we have a decision on what default menu we'll have for 14.04 yet?
[20:16] <Unit193> Default is still the same.
[20:17] <Unit193> ochosi: Another option since gthumb has that terrible menu problem would be to drop it, it's not really needed since Ristretto isn't so terrible anymore.
[20:18] <Noskcaj> +1, it's better to use xfce stuff rather than gnome's forgotten child
[20:19] <Unit193> Actually, it's more that Gnome didn't forget about it that broke it. :P
[20:25] <Noskcaj> Stupid panel, why won't you build
[20:30] <knome> ochosi, Unit193: i've always wondered if we really need gthumb, and you've been telling me "camera support"
[20:30]  * Unit193 hasn't.
[20:30] <Noskcaj> I never really understood the need for gthumb, but t least it's not two years outdated anymore
[20:30] <knome> which is a boring argument, because most of the cameras are supported through... whatever it's called, but they are mounted as drives anyway
[20:31] <knome> Noskcaj, camera support and collection management over a basic image viewer.
[21:35] <knome> GridCube, had time to do testing this cycle?
[21:35] <Unit193> Noskcaj: https://unit193.net/xfce/
[21:35] <knome> Unit193, 'lo
[21:35]  * Unit193 runs.
[21:35] <knome> not asking for anything
[21:35] <knome> yet
[21:40] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:43] <brainwash> anyone here testing gtk3 indicators (especially the sound one)?
[21:43] <brainwash> bug 1231796 needs some attention
[21:44] <brainwash> low priority
[21:44] <Unit193> "PEND - Add process-related tasks as events in the xubuntu team calendar" <--- You happy with what I've done so far, knome?
[21:45] <knome> yes
[21:45] <knome> you might have noticed i added some more events
[21:46] <Unit193> To the wiki or calendar?  Any I missed?
[21:46] <knome> calendar
[21:47] <knome> added beta2 dates
[21:47] <knome> and such
[21:55] <elfy> knome: there were a bunch of things added to the blueprint, you can mark them MEH or POSTPONED 
[21:55] <elfy> whichever
[21:55] <knome> hah
[21:55] <knome> like? :)
[21:57] <Unit193> knome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/ODz3dqxV7oZje09yf3pQ/
[21:58] <knome> Unit193, ack
[21:58] <knome> though i don't know about the urgency field
[21:59] <knome> do other docs packages have medium?
[22:02] <Unit193> knome: At least in Debian, it's the new default.
[22:03] <Unit193> If you don't like, drop back to low.
[22:04] <knome> i'm more than fine with it
[22:04] <knome> just wanted to check that it's the norm
[22:09] <knome> pleia2, welcome back!
[22:10] <pleia2> linode is having issues today :(
[22:30] <Unit193> knome: Well, I don't technically know in Ubuntu. :P
[22:30] <Unit193> knome: But, that's the packaging update, can build off of that and upload.
[22:31] <knome> yep
[22:31] <knome> looks good to me
[22:32] <Unit193> If I can upload without filing another bug, then I'll do it.  If not, I'll punt over to bluesabre. :P
[22:32] <knome> :P
[22:37] <Unit193> So, we're clearly all neglecting QA. :/
[22:38] <Unit193> knome: Ohohoh!  I can just steal #1251332 or #1238718!
[22:49] <ochosi> knome: i'm in favor of dropping gthumb and always was in favor of that
[22:49] <ochosi> shotwell is far better at managing collections, for what i personally need
[22:50] <ochosi> fwiw, i've reported a bug upstream about the problem with the headerbar in xfce
[22:50] <knome> ochosi, heh, so you are actually proposing to replace gthumb with something else?
[22:50] <ochosi> yeah, s/gthumb//
[22:50] <knome> so you're not
[22:50] <knome> you are proposing to drop
[22:50] <knome> not replace
[22:50] <ochosi> yup
[22:50] <ochosi> i was just making the point that even for what it does, i don't like it so much ;)
[22:51] <knome> also,
[22:51] <knome> you going to be able to make the meeting tomorrow?
[22:51] <ochosi> i'm seriously planning on
[22:51] <ochosi> cause there are some updates
[22:51] <ochosi> and i haven't been there for a few
[22:52] <Unit193> I don't have updates. \o/
[22:53] <knome> ochosi, good.
[22:53] <knome> Unit193, in that case, can you add the gthumb-issue to the agenda?
[22:54] <knome> is there somebody who'd be willing to chair the meeting tomorrow?
[22:54] <ochosi> knome: you won't be there?
[22:54] <knome> i most probably will, but i think it would be beneficial for the project that somebody else than the soon-not-to-be-project-lead-anymore would be willing/able to chair a meeting
[22:55] <Unit193> knome: Erm, I have no real reasons to remove it other than the silly header bars not working, I hardly ever use it, and all that.
[22:55] <slickymaster> maybe elfy?
[22:55] <knome> Unit193, i wasn't asking your opinion, we can discuss that tomorrow :P
[22:58] <Unit193> Depends if the wiki is terrible.
[22:58] <knome> well if it is, it's a project for the whole evening
[22:58] <GridCube> knome, to be honest no, i've not tested much
[22:59] <GridCube> only once in alpha 1
[22:59] <knome> GridCube, do you think you'll be able to do run more testing later?
[22:59] <Unit193> knome: I have to leave in ~5. :P
[22:59] <knome> GridCube, also, if not, or even if yes, would you like to help some other way?
[22:59] <knome> Unit193, you can come back to it later, you slimy procrastinator
[22:59] <GridCube> yes sure
[23:00] <GridCube> sincerely i just forget to do it
[23:00] <Unit193> knome: ...It won't keep me logged in. :/
[23:00] <knome> no problem, but good that i reminded you then ;)
[23:00] <knome> Unit193, :P
[23:00] <Unit193> Also, had a shower, not slimy. \o/
[23:00] <knome> hah
[23:00] <Unit193> knome: Not kidding, I just logged in, and now it's signed me out.
[23:00] <knome> yeah
[23:00] <knome> probably won't keep me in either, so...
[23:01] <Unit193> Wait, I'm in. \o/
[23:01] <knome> GridCube, we also have the flyer in progress, so you might want to poke pleia2 about that
[23:01] <GridCube> the windows to xubuntu thing?
[23:01] <knome> also, always things to translate
[23:01] <GridCube> i've heard something about that but not much really
[23:01] <knome> no, that's done and was released already
[23:01] <GridCube> true
[23:02] <knome> it was mostly a startubuntu project
[23:02] <knome> we're planning our own flyer
[23:02] <knome> it's been ongoing for a while...
[23:02] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers
[23:02] <knome> not sure if all the prepared/written content is there
[23:03] <pleia2> we have a google doc, sec
[23:03] <Unit193> Someone on the bugs team may want to subscribe to the not yet existing xubuntu-community-artwork source package.
[23:03] <pleia2> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcujR5HnBbu7Lc28ICn6la_EEVEs_vt6NkjoYQSCRps/edit?usp=sharing
[23:03] <pleia2> the wiki page is "ideas" - that google doc is what we're firming up for real
[23:03] <Unit193> pleia2: Sorry, I know you asked me, but I couldn't think of :words:
[23:04] <Unit193> I'll take another look, just can't now.
[23:04] <Unit193> knome: Done, actually.
[23:04] <pleia2> Unit193: it's ok, you can make it up to me by chairing the meeting tomorrow :)
[23:04] <knome> Unit193, ta ;)
[23:04] <pleia2> it's easy, just wave your hands around and copy what knome did in the last meeting (that's what I do)
[23:04] <knome> yes, chairing the meeting works
[23:04] <knome> pleia2, hehe
[23:05] <pleia2> I already chaired -women and -doc meetings this week, I'm out of chairs
[23:05]  * slickymaster thinks that Unit193 has nowhere to run
[23:05] <pleia2> oh, california too!
[23:05] <Unit193> slickymaster: Watch.
[23:05] <pleia2> :P
[23:08] <pleia2> ooh my startubuntu flyers should be here tomorrow
[23:09] <pleia2> knome: look, someone else printed it first https://twitter.com/Start_Ubuntu/status/432574310981459968/photo/1
[23:10] <knome> pleia2, retweet?
[23:10] <knome> meh, maybe not
[23:10] <knome> it's not clear that it's xubuntu :)
[23:11] <pleia2> I'm thinking xubuntu blog post when I get my printed materials, talking about the flyer, have picture of mine, picture of that, and links to all the translations ("and you can translate too!")
[23:11] <knome> works
[23:11] <knome> and a picture of your cat lying on it?
[23:11] <pleia2> there's probably no avoiding that
[23:12] <knome> no, i insist on that
[23:12] <pleia2> hehe
[23:35] <GridCube> a cat always works
[23:52] <knome> Unit193, soooo... would you please finish the xfce4-panel sponsorship process?
[23:52] <Unit193> knome: I thought I was looking at the docs?
[23:52] <knome> Unit193, you could look into both :)
[23:53] <knome> i heard you've prepared the package for panel, so it shouldn't be too much work to finalize the process
[23:55] <Unit193> >)>
[23:55] <knome> Unit193, or is that too much to ask?
[23:56] <Unit193> knome: I did the easy part, next part is perhaps pushing it to bzr somehow, merging it actually...
[23:56] <Unit193> And, if that's the case I did it wrong.
[23:57] <knome> Unit193, i'm sure you could get some help for that
[23:58] <Unit193> Jackson has done a lot of that.  I'm good if I can do a debdiff or something, but I don't think I can do bzr without breaking it.
[23:59] <knome> i learned the last time debdiffs should be okay if the update doesn't involve binary files...
[23:59] <Unit193> Not trying to get out of it exactly, just that using that method isn't going to work so awesomely for me. :/
[23:59] <Unit193> I like the Debian way far, far, far better.