[00:42] <RileyGuy_> Ok, so I'm having graphics glitches with lubuntu on my macbook pro 11" non-retina early 2011 the menus have graphical texture issues and so do the windows and other things
[00:43] <holstein> !macbook
[00:43] <holstein> !ati
[00:43] <RileyGuy_> i tried both of those links
[00:43] <RileyGuy_> they dont help with the graphical issues at all
[00:43] <holstein> RileyGuy_: ok.. what have you "tried" from them?
[00:43] <holstein> RileyGuy_: ?
[00:43] <RileyGuy_> they don't tell me what to do to fix it, I just want to use my mac for minecraft and a few other things
[00:43] <RileyGuy_> thats all
[00:44] <holstein> RileyGuy_: you will read and determine how to "Fix" it.. assuming there is a fix
[00:44] <RileyGuy_> i dont wanna have to install this and that and this and that and then get god's autograph to use it
[00:44] <holstein> RileyGuy_: they should have methods by which you can determine both what graphics device you have, and hwat macbook verision you have
[00:45] <holstein> RileyGuy_: you are choosing to do something that is not supported by the hardware you have purchased
[00:45] <RileyGuy_> how am i supposed to do this without a mac OS
[00:45] <holstein> RileyGuy_: apple purschased that hardware, and worked with it to make sure osx worked on there. that is what you are agreeing to do.. your own support
[00:45] <holstein> RileyGuy_: you will first start by stating what graphics hardware you have
[00:46] <holstein> RileyGuy_: if there is a proprietary driver, you can easily try it, and likely clear up any issues easily
[00:46] <RileyGuy_> well its a macbook pro 11" early 2011 non-retina
[00:46] <RileyGuy_> soo
[00:46] <RileyGuy_> im assuming intel graphics?
[00:46] <holstein> RileyGuy_: so.. what graphics driver?
[00:46] <RileyGuy_> i dont really know how
[00:46] <holstein> RileyGuy_: please, assume nothing
[00:46] <RileyGuy_> how
[00:46] <RileyGuy_> do i check
[00:47] <holstein> RileyGuy_: one way you can do that is by running the comand suggested by ianorlin in the other channel.. lspci.. that comand is also suggested in the documentation i linked here
[00:47] <holstein> RileyGuy_: have you opened a terminal and ran the command "lspci" ?
[00:47] <RileyGuy_> nvidia corperation
[00:47] <holstein> if so, and you need help understanding the outpu, please use..
[00:47] <holstein> !paste
[00:47] <holstein> RileyGuy_: also, at the link i gave..
[00:47] <holstein> !nvidia | RileyGuy_
[00:48] <holstein> is information on providing support for that device
[00:48] <ianorlin> also can you run cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:48] <holstein> the nvidia proprietary driver will likely clear up any issues
[00:48] <holstein> it has for me
[00:50] <holstein> RileyGuy_: have you installed, the nvidia driver module from the repos?
[00:51] <RileyGuy_> it
[00:51] <RileyGuy_> doesnt tell me
[00:51] <RileyGuy_> how to install it
[00:51] <RileyGuy_> on lubuntu
[00:51] <RileyGuy_> only ubuntu
[00:51] <RileyGuy_> im this close to just installing windows
[00:51] <holstein> RileyGuy_: sure.. but, lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. the same package namges
[00:51] <holstein> names*
[00:51] <RileyGuy_> but not the same stinkin interface
[00:52] <RileyGuy_> ive been trying for 2 days
[00:52] <RileyGuy_> and it doesnt work
[00:52] <holstein> RileyGuy_: please, know that i am a volunteer.. i dont need what is feeling like a threat
[00:52] <holstein> RileyGuy_: i understand your frustrations
[00:52] <RileyGuy_> im not trying to threaten you
[00:52] <RileyGuy_> im just very VERY frustrated
[00:52] <holstein> RileyGuy_: but, you had bad hardware. that is not the cause of *any* software
[00:52] <holstein> linux/lubuntu/ubuntu is working as advertised.. it cannot provide you witht he driver you need, due to legal issue with nvidia
[00:53] <holstein> RileyGuy_: you are welcome to install it
[00:53] <RileyGuy_> ok
[00:53] <RileyGuy_> i
[00:53] <RileyGuy_> am done
[00:53] <ianorlin> you can even relax in chat some on in if you can get to a virtual terminal
[00:53] <RileyGuy_> i cant take this anymore
[00:53] <ianorlin> if you install the right clinet
[00:53] <holstein> RileyGuy_: sure.. enjoy! and keep in mind, you will have this issue in all OS's
[00:54] <RileyGuy_> ok
[00:54] <holstein> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.lubuntu.user/3987 will help
[00:54] <holstein> RileyGuy_: its literally like installing a driver package into the kernel. one that we are not allowed to provide you
[00:55] <RileyGuy_> ok
[00:55] <RileyGuy_> ok
[00:55] <RileyGuy_> if i can install teamviewer, will someone help me
[00:55] <holstein> RileyGuy_: someone in #ubuntu might.. this is not lubuntu specific
[00:55] <RileyGuy_> ok
[00:55] <holstein> !volunteers
[00:55] <RileyGuy_> im
[00:55] <RileyGuy_> just gonna install windows 8 now...
[00:56] <RileyGuy_> sorry
[00:56] <holstein> RileyGuy_: sure.. enjoy!
[00:56] <holstein> RileyGuy_: you will need drivers there as well
[00:56] <ianorlin> good luck
[00:56] <RileyGuy_> yes
[00:56] <RileyGuy_> but it is much easier on windows
[00:56] <holstein> RileyGuy_: you will need to exercise patience at some point
[00:56] <RileyGuy_> ive been patient for 2 days
[00:56] <RileyGuy_> my patience has run out
[00:56] <holstein> RileyGuy_: thats was due to faulty hardware
[00:57] <RileyGuy_> i know
[00:57] <RileyGuy_> but like i said
[00:57] <RileyGuy_> its easier on windows
[00:57] <RileyGuy_> sorry
[00:57] <holstein> RileyGuy_: no.. what you have said is.. you are frustrated that is has taken 2 days to install lubuntu.. and that is not true
[00:57] <holstein> when you came here, and asked me, i sorted out that it was hardware in a mattter of minutes
[00:58] <holstein> RileyGuy_: and you literally just got installed a few minutes ago.. you are going to have to install drivers one place or the other..
[00:58] <holstein> RileyGuy_: anyways.. enjoy! and we'll be here if win8 doesnt go as magical as you expect either
[00:58] <RileyGuy_> ok
[00:58] <RileyGuy_> im just really frustrated and angry
[00:59] <holstein> RileyGuy_: sure. and im just a volunteer.. and you just go here.. so, do what you like and i welcome you back anytie
[00:59] <holstein> anytime*
[00:59] <holstein> thats what this is.. a community of support. its not tech support
[00:59] <ianorlin> I think windows 8 might be a waste of time as ins't the 2005 mac mini a power pc?
[00:59] <RileyGuy_> i know you're only trying to help
[01:00] <holstein> RileyGuy_: trying? we went a long way in the short time you have been here..
[01:00] <RileyGuy_> yes
[01:01] <RileyGuy_> you did help
[01:01] <RileyGuy_> and im not saying i aint grateful, its just it got me no where in the end and i chose to install windows
[01:01] <RileyGuy_> btw the terminal printed some weird matrix stuff ._.
[01:02] <holstein> RileyGuy_: no where would be that.. you have determined *why* you have been wasting time the past 2 days.. you have a hardware issue
[01:02] <holstein> you are at a point where you have one driver issue.. a known issue.. one that has plenty of documentation
[01:02] <holstein> if you want to run win8, go for it..
[01:03] <holstein> but, lubuntu is working as advertised
[01:03] <RileyGuy_> and im not smart enough to fix it
[01:03] <RileyGuy_> so thats that
[01:03] <holstein> RileyGuy_: nothing is broken to fix
[01:03] <RileyGuy_> the graphics issue
[01:03] <holstein> RileyGuy_: its just a matter of installing a driver.. nothing needs fixed
[01:04] <RileyGuy_> which takes commands and moving things around, and doing 12 terminal commands and complicated stuff
[01:04] <RileyGuy_> im sorry, but i just don't have anymore patience for this
[01:06] <holstein> RileyGuy_: then, you will nt have better luck with windows
[01:07] <holstein> it requires the same
[01:07] <holstein> maybe, more
[01:09] <holstein> i mean, right now, you have all the other drivers.. and, there *is* an nvidia one available.. are there win8 driver for your hardware?
[08:12]  * psei is away: AFK
[08:33]  * psei help
[11:55] <pip__> I can't access my samba shares from lubuntu 13.10 (pcmanfm 1.1.2) - anybody got any ideas for a fix?
[16:24] <diecastarts> hello again. really small question this time....... is there a package i can install so I can take screenshot like ubuntu does... Like if you hit printscreen it auto macs opens a small editor
[16:24] <holstein> diecastarts: there are many screenshot applications
[16:25] <diecastarts> yeah I don;t want a application
[16:25] <diecastarts> Looking for the one that comes pre-installed like the ubuntu one
[16:25] <holstein> diecastarts: package/application. whatever you like to call it.. you need an app
[16:26] <holstein> should be saved in your /home folder
[16:27] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/184618/taking-screenshots-in-lubuntu-11-10
[16:28] <holstein> though, i dont use kgrab.. i use scrot
[16:28] <holstein> !info scrot
[16:28] <holstein> but, there are many, the included one that automatically puts the full screen image in your /home, and many installable from the repos.. the same repos main ubuntu uses
[16:30] <diecastarts> k thanks checking that out
[16:30] <holstein> sure.. enjoy!
[22:02] <Xgates> hi guys
[22:03] <Xgates> Does Lubuntu have  the same Amazon data recording crap going on?
[22:03] <Xgates> also the recording of data locally, which is listed under the Privacy section/Tab last I checked in Ubuntu you can turn off...
[22:03] <Unit193> Doesn't have unity, thus doesn't have scopes, thus no.
[22:04] <Xgates> Not having Unity doesn't mean this does not exsist elementary OS has the data recording crap in it...
[22:04] <Xgates> I don't just mean the Amazon stuff...
[22:06] <Xgates> I cring now a days at the thought of Ubuntu based distros, all these developers of their own distros shouldn't support  Canonical, but probably will never happen...
[22:07] <Unit193> What "data recording crap" are you talking about?
[22:07] <Xgates> thank GOD I'm not a Linux noob, this isn't for me, and I'm testing out Peppermint which is Debian/Lubuntu based...
[22:08] <Xgates> Last I checked in the Ubuntu system preferences it's in the Privacy section...
[22:08] <Unit193> Might want to ask them then, what they do could well be different than Lubuntu.
[22:08] <Xgates> what who could do?
[22:08] <Unit193> Peppermint.  zeitgeist doesn't ET phone home, either.
[22:09] <Xgates> yeah zeitgeist isn't that suppose to be another one of these so called problems?
[22:11] <Xgates> zeitgeist I see in Peppermint will uninstall rather easily without killing the system, not so sure it's that easy to take out in Ubuntu...
[22:20] <Xgates> well I just ripped out all of zeitgeist out of Peppermint easily, the only real loss maybe to someone was gedit was attached to some of it...
[22:20] <zleap> i can never remember waht zeitgeiest is
[22:20] <Unit193> Anywho, do you have a Lubuntu support question?
[22:21] <Xgates> Unit193: will all of zeitgeist come out of Lubuntu easy, or a lot of deps installed for it?
[22:21] <Unit193> zleap: Database.
[22:21] <zleap> ok thanks
[22:21] <Unit193> Xgates: Should be easy.
[22:21] <Unit193> Catfish might be the only thing.
[22:21] <Xgates> oh yeah catfish too
[22:21] <Xgates> zleap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_%28framework%29
[22:22] <Xgates> framework that logs the users's activities and events,
[22:32] <ianorlin> there is no zeitgiest installed on sacuy
[22:33]  * Unit193 didn't see one.
[22:34] <ianorlin> also Xgates be careful when installing things as something can still pull it in as a depenency if you don't want zeitgeist
[22:45] <Xgates> yeah sure I know...
[22:46] <Xgates> well I think I'm going to make a clonezilla backup of peppermint and then take Lubuntu for a spin...
[22:46] <Xgates> maybe bbl guys...
[22:46] <Xgates> cheers :)
[23:37] <Raghh>  Hey guys and girls, i have an issue with my new laptop! I installed W7 Ulitmate(well yea, thats an issue itself). Anyhow! When trying to install Ubuntu, the installer cant seem to detect the SSD i want to install on... :( any suggestions?
[23:38] <holstein> Raghh: sure.. maybe a windows channel
[23:38] <Raghh> why would a windows channel help me with a Linux issue? :)
[23:38] <holstein> or, are you saying when installing ubuntu?
[23:38] <holstein> Raghh: you are installing ubuntu? and you cant see the ssd?
[23:39] <Raghh> exactly
[23:39] <Raghh> its the same SSD which are running Windows... but i have done this before, on my desktop with no issues
[23:39] <holstein> Raghh: im over where you have cross posted now..
[23:39] <Raghh> haha yea, i didnt get an answer of #Ubuntu, so figured i would try a few others :p
[23:41] <Raghh> But yea, the thing is i installed W7 first, and afterwards wanted to repartition and install Ubuntu on the same SSD. - But the installer cant detect the SSD, only my 1TB HDD
[23:41] <holstein> Raghh: why is windows relevant?
[23:41] <holstein> Raghh: you will want to reclaim space.. i would use a live CD and gparted
[23:41] <holstein> can you make *any* live CD access the drive with gparted
[23:41] <holstein> >
[23:41] <holstein> ?
[23:42] <Raghh> i am trying to install through my 12.04.4 live CD:)
[23:42] <Raghh> but the installer cant see my SSD
[23:42] <Raghh> and im not willing to install it on my HDD
[23:43] <holstein> Raghh: dont install *anything* right now
[23:43] <holstein> Raghh: resize the partion using gparted
[23:43] <holstein> Raghh: can you see the drive from *any* live CD in gparted>
[23:43] <holstein> ?
[23:43] <Raghh> sec lemme reboot the laptop
[23:44] <holstein> try a 13.10 based iso.. could be driver related
[23:45] <Raghh> 13.10 is bugged =/ so i dont really feel like using it honestly
[23:45] <Raghh> i will check if i can see the drive with gparted on the livecd
[23:46] <holstein> Raghh: its actually not
[23:46] <Raghh> The thing is, the installer detects that Windows is installed, because it gives me the option to "Install along side windows" But whenever i proceed i can only choose my empty drive for storage
[23:46] <holstein> 13.10 is the latest version.. supported
[23:46] <holstein> its not that the lts is "less buggy". or more stable.. its literally support longer
[23:47] <holstein> Raghh: you should be willing to try the 13.10 live CD and see if the installer and/or gparted can see the ssd
[23:47] <Raghh> yea, but im outta DVDs atm and its 00:47 atm
[23:47] <holstein> Raghh: sure.. when you have patience and time, and want to get tot he bottom of this, let a volunteer know
[23:50] <Raghh> rofl, in gparted i can only detect the SSD
[23:50] <holstein> Raghh: and?
[23:50] <holstein> Raghh: thats what you want, correct?
[23:50] <Raghh> its kinda reverse of the installer
[23:50] <Raghh> where im only able to detect the HDD
[23:50] <holstein> Raghh: what other discs are there?
[23:51] <holstein> Raghh: its likely that you havent used gparted, and maybe havent found the disc selection tool?
[23:51] <Raghh> 1 mb unallocated, and a 100mb reserved windows partition
[23:51] <Raghh> and ofc. my 232GB of SSD space for windows
[23:51] <holstein> Raghh: its not going to list them all. theres a dropdown where you select the drive you want to partition
[23:52] <Raghh> i see
[23:53] <Raghh> but that kinda makes no sense, Linux detects the SSD but im not able to install on it with the installer
[23:54] <holstein> Raghh: i dont know that that is true.. i suggeted, and still suggest trying 13.10
[23:54] <holstein> Raghh: it may "just work" out of the box
[23:54] <holstein> lubuntu has no LTS, and 12.04 lubuntu is not officially supported any longer
[23:55] <Raghh> oh yea, this is not Lubuntu, its just regular ubuntu .. i have a overkill (hardware wise) laptop .. so i figured id just run the whole package
[23:55] <holstein> Raghh: you should try 13.10
[23:56] <holstein> to say its "buggy" is just incorrect, and mis-informed
[23:56] <Raghh> okay, but i like 12.04 :) therefore thats the OS of my choice
[23:56] <holstein> Raghh: enjoy!
[23:56] <Raghh> jesus christ
[23:56] <holstein> Raghh: please dont do that.. use the #lubuntu-offtopic for OT
[23:57] <holstein> it would be advantageous for you, from a troubleshooting perspective, to have tried 13.10
[23:58] <Raghh> 12.04 is the atm LTS and therefore i like that .. i dont want to be forced to reformat or upgrade within a few months.. and honestly i bet they didnt make any major changes to the installer
[23:58] <ianorlin> lubunt 12.04 is not lts
[23:59] <holstein> no one is forcing anything
[23:59] <holstein> Raghh: if you said "i have tried 13.10, and the installer works, but 12.04 doesnt" that would be data