[01:15] <diddledan> joy in IT departments the world over yesterday: http://www.welivesecurity.com/2014/02/12/critical-internet-explorer-flaws-microsoft/
[01:18] <daftykins> mm-hmm
[01:18] <daftykins> was trying to plead with one client yesterday, once again, to please stop running IE occasionally for other sites
[01:18] <daftykins> yeeeeeeeeeears ago they'd learnt that their online banking didn't work with FF 3 or whatever we were on back then and they maintained the approach of not even trying it since
[01:19] <daftykins> so occasionally i see IE open with stuff in there and cringe
[01:19] <daftykins> i've been debating disallowing access
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:22] <jussi> morning MooDoo
[07:22]  * jussi hands MooDoo the (now) regular cup of tea
[07:22] <MooDoo> jussi: I'm ok thanks, got a costa on the way to work this morning :D
[07:22] <MooDoo> but thank you
[07:23] <jussi> "he's a lumberjack and he's ok..."
[07:23] <MooDoo> I don't hang around in bars until Friday ;)
[07:23] <jussi> hehe
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:28] <MooDoo> yay I'm not alone :d
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you're never alone!
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYg_lbXYiwU)
[07:31] <jussi> MartijnVdS: that better not be a rick roll...  :P
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> jussi: it's not. It's newer than that!
[07:36] <jussi> :D
[07:38] <jussi> MooDoo: what have you done!!!!!!!!! now I felt the need to watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zey8567bcg
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> jussi: If you're ever hunting bugs, try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ
[07:40] <jussi> ahh, its just for laughs music!!! :P
[07:47] <MooDoo> Don't you think I'm stupid, I'm not clicking on any youtube links so there :p
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: but we're never going to give you up!
[07:48] <MooDoo> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: or let you down
[07:48] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: make me turn around?
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: or desert you
[07:49] <MooDoo> grrrrrr ;)
[07:52] <jussi> hahaha
[07:52] <jussi> MooDoo: to add insult to injury, you just lost the game... :P
[07:54] <MooDoo> darn it
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you're a bad person ;)
[07:55] <diddledan> oh ffs, jussi
[07:55] <diddledan> what did you have to go and do that for?!
[07:56]  * diddledan resets his score chart
[08:01] <diplo> Morning all
[08:01] <jussi> hehe
[08:02] <jussi> morning diplo
[08:02] <diplo> How are we all this morning?
[08:07] <MooDoo> morning morning
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Totally bloody mad: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/12/nhs_microsoft_win_xp_extended_support/ 1million WinXP pcs in the NHS
[08:33] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: stupid, silly. they should have actually thought about this earlier...
[08:54] <MooDoo> off to buy a new wireless router today
[08:55] <jussi> MooDoo: which one do you have your eye on?
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: buy an OpenWRT-capable one! :)
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: they're so much more usefuls!
[08:57] <jussi> MartijnVdS: ++
[08:57] <MooDoo> was looking at a dual band asus
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I'd go for a TP-Link -- I've had bad experiences with the Broadcom chips used by Asus
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: (TP-Link uses Atheros)
[08:58] <jussi> I still have an oldf dd-wrt capable buffalo... it still works :D
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> they just merged TL-WDR4900 support this week (in trunk)
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> I have a 4300 at home, it's great
[08:58] <jussi> MooDoo: curiousity, what is your budget?
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> jussi: dd-wrt is shady, with its maybe-not-gpl-compliant bits and "READ THE DOCS" forum attitudes
[08:59] <jussi> MartijnVdS: it works for me. :)
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> jussi: instead of helping, it's "Search the docs", "Read the peacock thread", etc.
[08:59] <jussi> (but you are correct of course)
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> jussi: sure, but it could work better ;)
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wdr4900
[09:09] <JamesTai1> Good morning all; happy Get a Different Name Day! :-D
[09:09] <popey> awww
[09:09] <popey> hoped you'd keep that nickname
[09:10] <JamesTait> See what I did there? ;)
[09:10] <Mootail> everone should be first part of nick tail ;)
[09:11] <popey> just ate juiciest orange at my desk
[09:11] <popey> laptop smells nice now
[09:11] <popey> bit sticky tho
[09:11] <jussi> popey: I want an orange!
[09:11] <popey> come to canonical hq
[09:11] <popey> we have lots
[09:11] <popey> well, one less now.
[09:11] <jussi> bit far...
[09:11] <popey> sucks to be you
[09:11] <jussi> popey: it still exists... for now :P
[09:12]  * jussi giggles at http://twitpic.com/dvb1e0
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> that's is how the Hoth delegation got disqualified
[09:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:24] <popey> pip pip
[09:25] <bigcalm> What's happening kids?
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> KateShortForBob: wait.. you're "Kate", short for "Bob"?
[09:28] <KateShortForBob> Yes, that's right.
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> ...
[09:29] <KateShortForBob> http://youtu.be/BLTR8qYWJbQ
[09:30] <jussi> "Bob the builder...."
[09:48] <dwatkins> not Kate the builder...
[09:59] <daubers> Morning
[09:59] <dwatkins> ello daubers
[10:00]  * daubers gave in and bought photoshop
[10:00] <dwatkins> boxed or subscription, daubers?
[10:00] <daubers> subscription
[10:00] <daubers> wanted to see what all the fuss was about
[10:01] <dwatkins> it's certainly an interesting business model
[10:02] <daubers> I have lots of end userswhinging about everything moving to the cloud, so wanted to see
[10:04]  * awilkins knew a girl who was Bob short for Helena.
[10:04]  * daubers knows a guy who is Time, short for Richard
[10:05] <daubers> Tim even
[10:05] <daubers> stupid apple keyboards
[10:05] <MartijnVdS>  you'd think Apple keyboard would be able to type "Tim" :)
[10:05] <daubers> MartijnVdS: It autocorrects to Steve
[10:06] <dvrr> good morning all
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> so it's Steve, short for Tim?
[10:07] <selinuxium> popey, now I want an orange...
[10:07] <jussi> "popey, Orange King..."
[10:07] <jussi> :P
[10:07] <jussi> King Popey of Orange!
[10:07] <jussi> :D
[10:07] <selinuxium> popey == 'Man from Delmonte'
[10:08] <BigRedS> I *knew* I recognised him from somewhere!
[10:08] <jussi> haha
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> jussi: look up William III ;)
[10:08] <selinuxium> Hey BigRedS :)
[10:08] <BigRedS> goood morning selinuxium !
[10:08] <BigRedS> how's things?
[10:08] <jussi> MartijnVdS: Im quite aware of King billy
[10:08] <awilkins> I've never heard him say "Yes" though
[10:08] <BigRedS> he does have _very_ high standards
[10:08] <awilkins> Although  I suppose you don't in the advert either
[10:08] <jussi> MartijnVdS: you keep forgetting my dutch heritage
[10:08] <BigRedS> maybe your oranges just aren't good enough
[10:08] <selinuxium> BigRedS, All good thank you. Your good self?
[10:09] <BigRedS> yeah, not bad at all. today's a work-from-home day so I'm starting slowly :)
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Ah yes, it's probably because of your name :)
[10:09] <awilkins> Don't think that ad would play very well these days... white guy visits plantation and deigns to approve of the produce of honest hardworking latinos.
[10:09] <BigRedS> haha
[10:09] <selinuxium> BigRedS, nice... Dressing gown day...
[10:10] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hehe, my last name is Schultink ;)
[10:10] <BigRedS> selinuxium yeah, exactly :)
[10:10] <jussi> MartijnVdS: and yes, its true, I cannot pronounce it correctly...
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> jussi: That looks Dutch enough :)
[10:10] <selinuxium> Liek dress down day with added Xbox (insert game station of choice)
[10:10] <awilkins> "The man from Del Monte - he's a pawn of the oppressor! Make an effigy of his silly white suit and burn it on the steps of Corporate HQ!!"
[10:11] <awilkins> "His bones fertilize our orange grove! How'd you like them grapefruit!"
[10:16] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:24] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:24] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:25] <jussi> dammit, forgot about my tea water on the stove, boiled ht ekettle dry :/
[10:25] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> jussi: and this is why we invented the electric kettle
[10:27] <popey> \o/ 240V
[10:31] <diddledan> yawn
[10:40] <kakemo> sup guys, wich os ? trololo
[10:40] <MooDoo> well that was brief lol
[10:47] <jussi> MooDoo: drive by trolling ? :P
[10:47] <jussi> MartijnVdS: technically, this is an electric kettle... (We have an electric stove... therefore... :P)
[10:48] <MooDoo> jussi: cool, love that :S
[10:49] <dwatkins> I bet the hob doesn't have a cut-off, though ;)
[10:49] <dwatkins> I've left my hob on over night before with nothing on it.
[10:49] <MooDoo> my wife forgets the gas oven is on occasionally lol
[10:50] <dwatkins> I always check the [gas] hob & oven, tap, fridge and pet cage when I leave home now - I've managed to leave each of them on or open in the past.
[10:52] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:54] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: needs to step away from the blackadder boxset
[11:23] <foobarry> "I don?t think I?m asking for allot after all you cant loose! " - quote from email from a recruitment agency
[11:24] <foobarry> go back to school kiddo.
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> wow
[11:25] <diddledan> foobarry: makes you wonder about their competence at finding suitable work for you when they can't even proof-read their own email
[11:25] <foobarry> also this is after i emailed their data protection people to take me off their db
[11:25] <foobarry> for spamming me 3x a day with calls and emails
[11:26] <foobarry> i don't even hire contractors
[11:26] <diddledan> >.<
[11:26] <foobarry> austin fraser if anyone wants to know.
[11:26] <foobarry> avoid.
[11:29] <dwatkins> foobarry: that reads like some of the spam I get.
[11:30] <foobarry> "Can you please tell me what? Do I have to do to land a shot at working with you!"
[11:30] <foobarry> so much fail in one sentence
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> "Write proper English sentences."
[11:31] <MooDoo> I wish people would talk proper like what I does
[11:31] <dwatkins> I'd send back a mail with this image in it (if this were sent to me personally): http://ckrickett.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/alot01.png
[11:31] <foobarry> recruiters and estate agents are low forms of life
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: The Original: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.nl/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
[11:31] <foobarry> and other jobs where they wear too much aftershave
[11:32] <dwatkins> thanks MartijnVdS - I wasn't sure where it originated from
[11:32] <foobarry> good blog it is too
[11:32] <foobarry> i liked the dinosaur cape one
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> I have her book :)
[11:37] <dwatkins> reminds me of The Oatmeal and 27B/6
[11:38] <jussi> damn, and all this time I thought an Alot had the first name of gord! :D
[11:40] <foobarry> it does
[11:49] <foobarry> how do you define groups in sudoers file that are not /etc/group or ldap group, but local to the file?
[11:57] <popey> join #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[11:57] <popey> BAH!
[11:57] <foobarry> moo
[12:19] <jussi> Tea anyone?
[12:20] <diddledan> please
[12:20]  * jussi puts a brew on
[12:21] <dwatkins> yes, tea
[12:28]  * bigcalm returns with instant coffee due to being too lazy to make a brew
[12:28] <bigcalm> I can't bring myself to use instant tea at home
[12:29] <foobarry> what is instant tea?
[12:29] <foobarry> teabags?
[12:29] <diddledan> teabag in the cup is instant enough
[12:29] <diddledan> don't need dehydrated granules
[12:30] <bigcalm> I'll have some loose leafed tea after lunch maybe
[12:40] <jussi> Enable passive gathering of performance-related metrics and events and provide the option to view this data in a graphical fashion. To view data, visit chrome://performance. #performance-monitor-gathering
[12:40] <jussi> that is cool, I didnt know you could do that :)
[12:41] <MooDoo> http://sietch-tabr.tumblr.com/post/76220460770/pgp-key-signing-party-in-london-march-25th-2014
[12:41] <MooDoo> if anyone is interested
[12:56] <jussi> stupid company/sysadmin/web people....
[12:57] <jussi> seriously, how hard is it to enable the little thing to not *require* the www ?
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> jussi: depends on how you wrote it
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: hmmm :)
[12:57] <MooDoo> jussi: that's dns
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's a tuesday :(
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: if it was a Friday I'd do it
[12:58] <bigcalm> I recall that there was an android app that allowed one to enable/disable various things at different times of the day. Does anybody remember such an app?
[12:58] <brobostigon> my pebble is predicting snow, has it gone mad,
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: tasker?
[12:58] <bigcalm> I really need to disable Skype outside of office hours
[12:58] <brobostigon> tasker? :)
[12:58] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ta, I'll have a look
[13:00] <bigcalm> I'm guessing that it's worth the £2.99
[13:06]  * bigcalm giggles at Boris Johnson
[13:08] <SuperMatt> at or with?
[13:09] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: at, always at
[13:09] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/433947604976553984
[13:10] <SuperMatt> oh god
[13:10] <SuperMatt> why did this happen to us?
[13:10] <SuperMatt> WHY?
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: £2,99? it's €2,99 here :)
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: democracy/voters?
[13:11] <SuperMatt> democray is only a good idea if the voters are actually intelligent
[13:11] <SuperMatt> I'm going to become a dictator and resolve that problem
[13:11] <foobarry> SuperMatt: people want politicians who make them laugh
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> democray-cray
[13:13] <SuperMatt> very apt
[13:14] <dwatkins> It's demo-sgi now.
[13:15] <foobarry> i prefer someone who plays the buffoon but it obv intelligent vs an unwitting buffoon
[13:17] <SuperMatt> foobarry: so not borris then?
[13:17] <foobarry> which bit don't you think describes him?
[13:18] <SuperMatt> unwitting buffoon
[13:18] <foobarry> unwitting buffoon is nigel farage climbing out of the plane, or that milliband with his schoolboy whiney voice
[13:18] <foobarry> and his wallace and gromit face
[13:19] <foobarry> its all an act with BJ
[13:19] <jussi> foobarry: politicians that make people laugh... like the mayor of the place that mum and dad live... http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/entrepreneur-darryn-lyons-declared-geelong-mayor-20131125-2y5c1.html
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> jussi: he even looks a bit like boris?
[13:20] <jussi> MartijnVdS: heheh
[13:20] <foobarry> gary glitter?
[13:20] <jussi> btw, does anyone know, or feel like writing an extension that automatically disables autoplay videos? ANNOYING!
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57536917-285/enable-click-to-play-for-chrome-plug-ins/
[13:24] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hrm, Im aware of that, it goes a little too far. then I need to click 2x on everything I want to see...
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> jussi: nah just the flash bits (which is almost nothing these days)
[15:01] <shauno> gotta love sites that make it too easy.  "hm, that seems too good to be true.  what's the contact address?  buckingham palace!"
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> shauno: hey, that's my TV's address for FreeSet ;)
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> Sat*
[15:05] <shauno> just makes it a little easier when you're trying to figure out if something's a scam :)
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sure but my TV doesn't care, it just wants a postcode to figure out which version of BBC1/2/ITV to show me
[15:07] <brobostigon> is it different to no10 postcode?
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: likely
[15:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> SW1A 2AA (10ds) vs SW1A 1AA (Palace)
[15:09] <shauno> the postcode on their site seems to be wrong, it's a lincoln one
[15:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, :)
[16:09] <foobarry> i prefer the virgin media postcode
[16:11] <dwatkins> 0181 811 8181
[16:14] <bigcalm> Going Live?
[16:14] <bigcalm> It was from a children's Saturday morning programme in the 90s. Can't remember which one though
[16:14] <bigcalm> 80s even
[16:15] <bigcalm> Live and Kicking
[16:15] <bigcalm> Gah
[16:16] <bigcalm> You made me google it with your silence
[16:17] <foobarry> 0800 11 11
[16:17] <awilkins> If you called the wrong number you got Gordon the Gopher heavy breathing at you
[16:18] <awilkins> How he's not been targetted by operation Yewtree I've no idea
[16:22] <dwatkins> sorry bigcalm, yes, Saturday morning TV, probably Going Live (as I don't quite remember Swap Shop)
[16:22] <dwatkins> oh, Live and Kicking, yeah - the one with Phillip Schofield.
[16:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: care to give a talk/demo http://www.meetup.com/London-MongoDB-User-Group/events/165517062/
[16:51] <Guest57934> uh
[16:51] <Guest57934> shees
[16:51] <mapps> watching jude judy..love the show
[16:52] <davmor2> mapps: is that like the Beatles version of judge judy?
[16:52] <brobostigon> ok, question, is it strange, on FB when people in ther photo section of their profile, have no photos but filles albums?
[16:52] <brobostigon> filled*
[16:54] <mapps> er jiudge judy i meant;p
[16:54] <mapps> damnit
[16:54] <mapps> Judge
[16:54] <mapps> she earns an absolute fortune for it too
[16:54] <mapps> not sure what you mean brobostigon ?
[16:54] <mapps> why woud that be strange
[16:56] <brobostigon> mapps: ok, open one of your friends profiles in android using the app, then go to photos, then you will get two subsections, photos and albums, photos is empty however albums has several albums with photos inside them.
[16:56] <mapps> that is odd
[16:56] <mapps> i cant test it i dont use facebook
[16:56] <brobostigon> ok,
[16:59] <bigcalm> I can't test it as I don't trust the app
[16:59] <bigcalm> brobostigon: are you seeing this for all of your friends' profiles?
[16:59] <brobostigon> bigcalm: no.
[17:00] <brobostigon> bigcalm: presumably the same applies when you use the website.
[17:00] <bigcalm> brobostigon: maybe 'photos' is for images with the person tagged in them
[17:00] <brobostigon> let me try that.
[17:02] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ooh that would be fun :)
[17:10] <NET||abuse> hi folks
[17:11] <NET||abuse> I'm having a little trouble with my new lappy, got the insane xps15 9530.. big ass 3200 resoltion
[17:11] <NET||abuse> so thought i'd go for freedom hating binary driver, since the dell community article says he got it working ok
[17:11] <NET||abuse> anyway, has anyone gotten the 331 drivers working on a M nvidia chip?
[17:11] <NET||abuse> i tried on my soon to be given back to old job laptop, and had similar issue as I'm having with new xps now
[17:12] <daftykins> is it an nvidia optimus setup then?
[17:12] <NET||abuse> when i boot, the lightdm comes up but in really really low res. when i login, i get a usual apport or system there was a bug dialog, but unity doesn't come up, just a black screen with a mouse pointer
[17:12] <NET||abuse> daftykins: yeh, but I was hoping to avoid primus/bumblebee
[17:13] <daftykins> you can't use the nvidia chip directly
[17:13] <daftykins> you have to unfortunately
[17:13] <NET||abuse> on  my present machine i turn off optimus in the bios and just run on the nvidia card
[17:13] <daftykins> does that one have the same settings?
[17:13] <daftykins> i've never seen one that offers that
[17:14] <NET||abuse> but when i tried 331 driver got the same effect, so i'm stuck on 319,
[17:14] <NET||abuse> the dell 6430 that is my old work laptop had the option
[17:14] <NET||abuse> just turn off optimus and it's on by default, just used the nvidia binary drvier and ti was all good
[17:14] <daftykins> but the XPS, no option?
[17:15] <NET||abuse> i guess i have to use the edgers/ppa stuff..
[17:15] <NET||abuse> yeh, on XPS I can't find an optino in the bios. was the first thing i went looking for :(
[17:15] <daftykins> i really don't think that's going to help you
[17:16] <daftykins> http://askubuntu.com/questions/389297/bumblebee-setup-on-dell-xps-15-9530-for-dual-monitors-in-ubuntu-13-10
[17:16] <daftykins> at least someone's done all the hard work already ;)
[17:16] <NET||abuse> daftykins: thank, i think i'll just have to walk through that and do it.
[17:16] <NET||abuse> cheers
[17:17] <daftykins> np :)
[17:24] <mapps> brrr
[17:24] <mapps> i can just tell it's gong to be cold outside
[17:25] <daftykins> :)
[17:25] <daftykins> d'aww
[17:25] <daftykins> i just received my laser pointer for the cat today!
[17:25] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/li4hghobjk94zj3/VID_20140213_172119.mp4
[17:27] <mapps> ;]
[17:29] <dwatkins> daftykins: hexcellent. A friend of mine informed me that laser pointers can be bad for cats (possibly when they're just kittens) - something to do with eye damage, I'm not sure I believe it, though.
[17:31] <daftykins> dwatkins: yarr - i'm avoiding getting it near her eyes indeed. this'uns 6-8 years or so though :)
[17:32] <dwatkins> I *think* I was told my friend believes it's a problem even if the light is reflected, that's the part I had trouble believing.
[17:33] <daftykins> i definitely see reflections bouncing off surfaces of the laser, it looks pretty dull by then though
[17:33] <dwatkins> yeah, I can't see that doing any damage to anything's eyes
[17:33] <dwatkins> not with a laser pointer, unless you replaced the light source with the one from a CD burner etc.
[17:34] <daftykins> hehe
[17:34] <daftykins> lets see what this thing reads
[17:34] <daftykins> < 1 mW, 650nm +/- 10
[17:35] <daftykins> Class II :>
[17:36] <dwatkins> I want a laser from these guys: https://twitter.com/wickedlasers/status/433638042943754240/photo/1
[17:36] <dwatkins> obviously I would only use it for good
[17:36] <dwatkins> honest
[17:38] <daftykins> did you read about how many pilots are getting messed up by people with laser gadgets?
[17:38] <daftykins> seemed weird to me why anyone would be so reckless
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> you'd think they'd have fixed cockpit windows by now
[17:40] <daftykins> yeah
[17:40] <dwatkins> I imagine they can't, since it would result in visibility issues.
[17:40] <daftykins> a mate is studying to be an aeronautical engineer actually, may be worth asking
[17:40] <dwatkins> There used to be a nightclub in Guildford which had huge lights on the roof, they got told off by the authorities because they were visible from the air very well.
[17:41] <daftykins> hehe
[18:14] <BigRedS> I thought the laser issues were specifically helicopters with glass floors?
[18:15] <shauno> they're pretty terrible for most aircraft
[18:15] <BigRedS> ah right, refracting off the cockpit glass?
[18:15] <BigRedS> or through, rather
[18:16] <daftykins> people are shining them at planes coming into land
[18:18] <diddledan> I think people specifically shine them at aircraft because they've been told it's bad
[18:18] <diddledan> catch 22
[18:19] <shauno> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtKSdy2KAW4 gets boring quickly, but gives you a good idea
[18:19] <NET||abuse> ok, got 331 and bumblebee runing, optirun glxspheres64 runs 260fps,, primus glxshperes64 runs at 59/60 fps, is that normal?
[18:19] <daftykins> latter sounds vsync bound
[18:19] <NET||abuse> is primus running intel or something?
[18:19] <daftykins> who knows - contact that guy with the guide to ask what performance he got
[18:21] <mapps> i was reading about that just yesterday people shining lasers at aircrafts
[18:22] <mapps> pretty stupid really
[18:26] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:29] <shauno> I think stupid's a bit of an understatement.  that gives people the impression they're being a nuisance, rather than putting lives at risk
[18:32] <daftykins> agreed
[18:40] <mapps> hmm
[18:40] <mapps> they say it could get worse
[18:40] <mapps> the wind and rain etc
[18:41] <shauno> it'd be nice if can stay like this for tomorrow
[18:42] <mapps> where are you
[18:42] <shauno> west coast of ireland
[18:43] <shauno> I just don't fancy flying ryanair in yesterday's winds.  but today's been relatively mild
[18:44] <diddledan> shauno: friday is supposed to be worse than yesterday
[18:49] <shauno> :/  yesterday was bad enough that I'm sat here sewing buttons back on
[18:51] <diddledan> o_O
[18:51] <diddledan> it ripped buttons off?
[18:52] <shauno> my jacket wasn't up to it  heh
[18:52] <diddledan> oh dear
[18:52] <diddledan> are you sure it's wise to use the same jacket again?
[18:52] <diddledan> I mean if it failed once, the chances are it'll fail again
[18:53] <diddledan> it's like winning the lotto - you're more likely to do it once you've won once already
[18:53] <shauno> not entirely sure that last part's true
[18:56] <diddledan> I don't remember where I heard it. maybe I invented it :-p
[18:57] <diddledan> I'm good at thinking random things and then remembering about them later and believing they're bona fide facts
[19:06] <shauno> well I figure the lottery is stateless.  nothing in one draw should impact another.  the only difference would be if winning once meant you bought a lot more tickets in the future
[19:07] <daftykins> in which case you'd deserve a trout slap for greed!
[19:09] <shauno> or stupidity ;)  I'd imagine in that position you should be thinking about real investments
[19:12] <diddledan> shauno: I think it's statistically rather than probability-wise
[19:25] <shauno> well, for tonight's amusement .. the first time I've used a clothes iron since I was 12
[19:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bgswcuxaah8y2p/IMG_20130909_173557.jpg
[19:34] <daftykins> there's a neighbour cat at my window
[19:34] <daftykins> http://guernseypress.com/news/2014/02/11/town-cat-dillon-dies-after-being-washed-into-harbour/
[19:34] <daftykins> they're the same right?
[19:35] <popey> looks very similar!
[19:36] <popey> hard to tell, but very
[19:36] <shauno> the one in the news appears to own a lot more bling
[19:37] <daftykins> lol
[19:37] <daftykins> my cat's been fighting with a neighbour cat out the back of my place
[19:37] <daftykins> on that very roof
[19:37] <daftykins> but i've not seen it
[19:37] <daftykins> apparently the owner tried to keep him indoors, but he was a free spirit
[19:38] <daftykins> "these walls can't hold meeeeee!"
[19:40] <popey> colin looks cold
[19:40] <popey> he's shivvering
[19:41] <daftykins> is that your feline?
[19:41] <popey> no
[20:28] <Monotoko> don't suppose anyone here is any good with DoS attacks?
[20:28] <Monotoko> over an NTP daemon that doesn't exist...
[20:30] <daftykins> that's a pretty bold claim
[20:30] <jpds> Monotoko: You mean https://blog.cloudflare.com/technical-details-behind-a-400gbps-ntp-amplification-ddos-attack ?
[20:30] <daftykins> why not provide some more detail
[20:30] <Monotoko> tcpdump is showing the NTP traffic coming in
[20:30] <Monotoko> hang
[20:30] <Monotoko> on
[20:30] <jpds> hanging
[20:30] <jpds> on
[20:30] <jpds> sir
[20:30] <jpds> standing
[20:30] <jpds> by
[20:30] <jpds> STOP.
[20:30] <Monotoko> sorry :P
[20:30] <Monotoko> http://pastebin.com/8tJeEXEB
[20:31] <jpds> Monotoko: Check the link.
[20:31] <jpds> Welcome to 2014.
[20:32] <Monotoko> jpds, so how do I stop them? Why is my server even saying hello to them?
[20:33] <Monotoko> I've dropped everything from port 123 in UDP...
[20:34] <Monotoko> http://pastebin.com/shTP0gni
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/AccessRestrictions
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: it has a "wizard" structure to help you decide
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Main/SecurityNotice#DRDoS_Amplification_Attack_using also has some mitigations
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> (for the big reflection attacks)
[20:35] <Monotoko> NTP isn't running, that's what's confusing me
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> ah! is your firewall set to REJECT unwanted UDP, instead of DROPping it?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> (iptables) -- REJECT sends an ICMP packet back, DROP does not
[20:36] <Monotoko> it's dropping... should it be rejecting?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> no, drop is good
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> also, if it's dropping, it should not be sending packets back
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> If they're using NTP to DDOS you, your best bet is to ask your ISP to block inbound NTP packets
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> i.e. what's the exact problem? Are you the target of a DDOS, or part of the source?
[20:46] <Monotoko> the exact problem is that the server is slowing to a crawl when all this traffic is coming in...
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> but if you're dropping the traffic, it's an "inbound" problem, and you should filter at the router
[20:53] <Monotoko> how do you mean, inbound problem?
[20:54] <shauno> you're receiving a lot more packets than you're able to deal with.  obvious answer is to stop receiving them.  best method at your disposal is to implement this upstream
[20:55] <shauno> blocking them on your machine just defines what you do once you've received them, not *whether* you receive them
[20:56] <shauno> (I'd also talk to your provider, because its in their best interest to stop this as far upstream as possible too)
[20:58] <diddledan> I got accused of DDoSing someone the other day
[20:59] <diddledan> they didn't consider that perchance the source IPs might be spoofed
[20:59] <jpds> diddledan: Shouldn't have blocked all the queues at the post office.
[20:59] <diddledan> shock horror, UDP doesn't create a connection?!
[20:59] <diddledan> wow
[20:59] <diddledan> amazeballs
[21:00] <diddledan> I think the guy who reported it was a mormon
[21:00] <jpds> To be fair, it is a universal dogging of a pigeon.
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> but these NTP reflection attacks wouldn't be possible if people just turned on proper reverse path filtering on their networks
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> s/people/ISPs
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> because then you couldn't spoof UDP source addresses
[21:01] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: yeah but then the internet would work
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: sounds like a plan then :)
[21:02] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: we can't fix things, now, can we?!
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I don't know, is it allowed by the porn filter people?
[21:03] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: probably not. other government departments (read: gchq) require the ability to remain
[21:05] <diddledan> gchq = general communications hijacking and quiescence
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> Sssh!
[21:05] <diddledan> am I on a watchlist now?
[21:05] <diddledan> dammit, I don't want to be a political dissident
[21:06] <diddledan> damn you government!
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: you were never off it
[21:06] <diddledan> oh dear
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> And people who talk about the porn filter aren't "political" dissidents, if you know what I mean
[21:07] <jpds> http://newsthump.com/2011/02/23/jacqui-smith-still-pretending-she-knows-nothing-about-pornography/
[21:09] <diddledan> lol @ "losing" the debauched stuff - I'm betting she hid it under the bed for "playtime" with the cleaner
[21:10] <jpds> diddledan: No, the key here is the husband.
[21:10] <diddledan> haha @ the radio 5 spokes person
[21:10] <diddledan> “We’ve got some exciting programmes coming up with more MPs pretending not to know about stuff, definitely.”
[21:16] <mapps> heylo
[21:19] <neuro> i need to find interesting things to do with my new roku
[21:29] <chamb> Anyone here regularly use ubuntu on a netbook?
[21:49] <neuro> chamb: i did
[21:49] <neuro> it was awful
[21:49] <chamb> fair enough that was my next question
[21:50] <neuro> then again, i find netbooks awful under most conditions
[21:50] <neuro> ubuntu = awful
[21:50] <neuro> OS X = awful
[21:50] <neuro> windows = especially awful
[21:50]  * jpds pictures neuro as grumpy cat.
[21:50] <chamb> I only use it for coding and reading docs, but it frequently grinds to a halt
[21:50] <neuro> jpds: i just don't like netbooks
[21:51] <chamb> I was going to ask whether anyone had put an SSD in one and had a better experience
[21:51] <neuro> show me a really nice tablet or notebook, i'll get interested
[21:51] <chamb> Meh I can't afford a tablet or notebook
[21:51] <jpds> Tried a Nexus 7?
[21:51] <neuro> mine did have an SSD
[21:51] <neuro> 8GB
[21:51] <neuro> rubbish
[21:51] <chamb> I mean a proper ssd
[21:51] <neuro> :)
[21:51] <neuro> jpds: you asking me if i've tried a nexus 7?
[21:52] <jpds> neuro: Yes.
[21:52] <neuro> yes, i have
[21:52] <neuro> plasticky bleh
[21:52] <chamb> If I had enough money for a tablet I'd spend it on a refurbed laptop
[21:52] <neuro> reasonable screen
[21:52] <neuro> i use my ipad more than my nexus 7 tho
[21:53] <neuro> given the option of spending or not spending 200 quid on a nexus 7, in retrospect, i'd not spend
[21:53] <neuro> and save up for an ipad mini instead
[21:54] <neuro> or buy something completely different
[21:54] <neuro> like a replacement alternator *grrr*
[22:10] <diplo> Replacement engine for me neuro :(
[22:11] <neuro> eeshk
[22:11] <diplo> Yup, just found out a couple of hours ago :/
[22:11] <diplo> Well, it's either an injector or issue in one of the cylinders, the mechanic said as my motor is so packed it'll be cheaper for me to buy second hand than to trace the exact issue as labour will go through the roof
[22:12] <neuro> jings
[22:12] <neuro> yeah that's always the danger
[22:12] <neuro> by the time they figure out what's wrong, the engine has been ripped to pieces and you've racked up many many hours of labour
[22:12] <neuro> and then they still have to fix it
[22:13] <diplo> Well a new injector is £2-300
[22:13] <diplo> A replacement second hand engine is £150-300 ish
[22:13] <neuro> lol really
[22:13] <diplo> And it's quicker to change the engine right out and swap than to strip down to test and change the injector on my car the bloke reckons
[22:13] <neuro> absolutely
[22:14] <neuro> ramp it, drop out the old one, drop in the new one, mount it, done
[22:14] <diplo> Only issue is trusting who you buy the engine from :(
[22:14] <neuro> obviously not a 5 minute job but straight forward
[22:14] <diplo> 10 years ago i'd have done it myself, now not so much
[22:14] <neuro> quite right
[22:14] <neuro> in theory i could have done my alternator myself
[22:14] <neuro> but as it turns out, the air con is in the way
[22:15] <directhex> hm, there might have been too much bourbon in that glass
[22:15] <neuro> so it's easier to get at it from underneath, which means ramping it
[22:15] <neuro> and the blokes who i went to to get the alt done ended up snapping two bolts off
[22:15] <neuro> which wasn't their fault, it was just so badly seized
[22:15] <diplo> yeah, gone are the days that I mind lying on a cold wet floor :)
[22:15] <diplo> oh that sucks
[22:15] <neuro> so they kept it on tues night
[22:15] <neuro> got it back yesterday morning
[22:16] <diplo> I've just spent £500 having other stuff fixed and serviced, up till now this car has been rock solid :(
[22:17] <neuro> i know the feeling
[22:17] <neuro> (sump, exhaust, drivers door latch, spark plugs, alternator ...)
[22:17] <neuro> all in the last 12 months
[22:18] <neuro> and i still have do to the front brakes, back suspension, and figure out what's wrong with the d-pad for the wing mirror adjustment
[22:18] <neuro> bloomin' motors!!!
[22:18] <shauno> that sounds like it's gotta be getting close to "how much do I want to keep this car"?
[22:19] <neuro> i love it though
[22:19] <neuro> i'm a sucker for fiats
[22:19] <neuro> which really means i shouldn't be allowed to moan
[22:19] <bigcalm> iain-laptop ~ $ cat a.php | pastebinit -a bigcalm -f php
[22:19] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[22:19] <bigcalm> What am I doing wrong here?
[22:19] <diplo> Pasting it to IRC?
[22:19] <diplo> :D
[22:19] <neuro> :)
[22:19] <neuro> zing
[22:20] <bigcalm> You guys...
[22:21] <shauno> I feel like an idiot, I clicked the link to find out what was pasted :/
[22:21] <neuro> hehe
[22:22] <bigcalm> Am I using it incorrectly?
[22:22] <diddledan> bigcalm: paste.ubuntu.com doesn't allow php
[22:22] <bigcalm> Ah, ta
[22:22] <diddledan> it's annoying
[22:22] <diddledan> really annoying!
[22:23] <neuro> right
[22:23] <bigcalm> diddledan: Ta. Removing <?php fixed it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6928110/
[22:23] <neuro> bad things have happened
[22:23] <neuro> i've run out of smokes
[22:23] <bigcalm> neuro: quit?
[22:23] <diddledan> neuro: I'm out of chocolate
[22:23] <bigcalm> Smoking, not irc
[22:23] <neuro> technically, i have quit
[22:23] <neuro> since i don't have any to consume
[22:23] <diddledan> and out of monies to buy chocolate
[22:23] <neuro> diddledan: aaargh
[22:23] <bigcalm> neuro: victory!
[22:24] <neuro> bigcalm: that'll change when i buy more though
[22:24] <neuro> the question is, do i go out now and buy some
[22:24] <neuro> or wait until morning
[22:24] <bigcalm> Wait, you might not want one by then
[22:24] <neuro> ha
[22:24] <bigcalm> Heh, sorry
[22:25] <bigcalm> Took me 3 weeks of giving people hell for me to quit
[22:25] <bigcalm> That was 26th August 2002
[22:25] <neuro> good effort sir
[22:25] <shauno> personally, I'd wait till morning.  walking 45 minutes to the nearest gas station that's open 24x7 doesn't make you feel great about yourself
[22:25]  * neuro applauds
[22:25] <bigcalm> I quit cold turkey, no aids
[22:25] <bigcalm> Thanks :)
[22:25] <neuro> shauno: bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[22:25] <neuro> walking?
[22:25] <neuro> for 45 minutes?
[22:25] <bigcalm> That said, I ate a lot of Tunnuc's tea cakes
[22:25] <diplo> Same here bigcalm
[22:25] <neuro> mate, i'll be there in the car in about 3 minutes
[22:25] <bigcalm> And snow balls
[22:25] <diplo> 60 a day to nothing, 15 years ago
[22:26] <neuro> 60, cripes
[22:26] <neuro> makes me look like an amateur
[22:26] <diplo> yep :( JPS as well
[22:26] <neuro> oof
[22:26] <neuro> lungbuster
[22:26] <neuro> s
[22:26] <diplo> I still want one everyday though if that makes you feel any better
[22:26] <neuro> nope :)
[22:26] <neuro> keep it up though
[22:27] <bigcalm> I occasionally dream that I am smoking or want to smoke
[22:27] <neuro> i may be slightly gasping for one myself right now, i'll support a quitter tooth and nail
[22:27] <bigcalm> Wake up feeling ever so guilty
[22:27] <diplo> Ive got friends/colleagues that have never wanted one since they gave up, no cravings nothing.. it never stopped for me but the need isn't strong enough
[22:27] <diddledan> quitting cold turkey from some things is not fun - I often end up with that situation when I forget evening medication - one dose missed means cold and hot sweats, shaking and all sorts of other nastyness. I really need to set something up that reminds me to take them
[22:27] <neuro> diplo: yeah, i know someone like that
[22:28] <diddledan> but, it's all good :-p
[22:28] <neuro> diddledan: just stick an alarm on your phone
[22:28] <neuro> s'what my dad does for his insulin
[22:28] <diplo> diddledan: I put on 9st 10 if that counts as not good :P
[22:28] <diddledan> diplo: ditto (similarly)
[22:28] <diplo> Lost 5 stone in the last couple of years though, benefits of splitting up with your wife :)
[22:29] <neuro> ha
[22:29] <bigcalm> Ouch. I'm about 4st heavier than when I smoked. But I also had a very active job back then as well
[22:29] <diddledan> I'm not sure whether to applaud or commiserate
[22:29] <diplo> bigcalm: same here, I gave up smoking and went into an office job and then onto IT
[22:29] <diplo> Long hours on my bum
[22:30] <diddledan> I like long hours on my bum
[22:30] <neuro> ooer
[22:30] <diddledan> neuro:!
[22:30] <directhex> i'm tubbier than i used to be
[22:30] <directhex> normal for married men, apparentrly
[22:30] <diplo> I *hate* it, if i could find better paid job doing something else i would
[22:30] <diddledan> diplo: become a labourer?
[22:31] <diddledan> not sure it's better paid
[22:31] <diddledan> surgeon?
[22:31] <diplo> Signed up to a job site today to start this process off, within a minute of me uploading my CV I had a recruitment call!
[22:31] <diddledan> wow
[22:31] <diplo> I'd love to do surgery, but too much training needed and I still need to pay bills
[22:31] <diddledan> bills suck
[22:32] <neuro> yup
[22:32] <diddledan> I think bills should be outlawed
[22:32] <diplo> Pity he didn't read it properly, he was phoning about web dev.. I said I wanted out of web dev on my page :)
[22:32] <gebbione> i just increased my canvas, but cannot select the empty space
[22:32] <directhex> gebbione, increase the layer!
[22:32] <neuro> so how would you pay for stuff if bills were outlawed?
[22:32] <gebbione> how can i, so that i can fill it with a colour
[22:32] <neuro> INCREASE THE LAWYER!
[22:32] <directhex> layer to canvas size!
[22:32] <neuro> (sorry
[22:32] <diddledan> o_O
[22:33] <neuro> i keep misreading stuff tonight
[22:33] <diddledan> neuro: paying for stuff - gold-pressed latinum
[22:33] <neuro> oomax!
[22:35] <diddledan> I wanna watch babylon 5 in remastered HD. annoying that there's practically zero chance of that ever happening
[22:35] <neuro> i thought all the vfx were done in 480p video?
[22:35] <diddledan> I believe the whole thing was video
[22:36] <neuro> really? cripes
[22:36] <neuro> no chance then
[22:36] <diddledan> indeed
[22:36] <neuro> short of going back in time and bolting a go pro on top of the video camera
[22:36] <diddledan> and even if the live-action was on film the vfx wasn't and the 3d models have all been lost
[22:37] <neuro> oof
[22:37] <neuro> apparently one of the guys who used to work at Foundation Imaging (or POP, can't remember) kept loads of Voyager models
[22:37] <neuro> so there's some HD broadcast-quality voyager vfx possible
[22:38] <diddledan> nice
[22:38] <neuro> and apparently some or most of the DS9 stuff is "straight forward" to re-render once they've tidied up the models a bit
[22:39] <neuro> so maybe in 5-10 yrs, we'll have all of star trek in 2K HD
[22:39] <diddledan> all the startreks were filmed if I recall?
[22:39] <neuro> yeah
[22:39] <diddledan> yey for paramount
[22:39] <neuro> 35mm for the bulk of shots
[22:40] <neuro> cinemascope for the panning liveaction+vfx shots
[22:40] <diddledan> even with 35mm you can clean them up loads judging by the quality of the TNG remaster
[22:40] <neuro> and i think 65mm for the older model vfx work
[22:40] <neuro> yeah
[22:40] <neuro> and it's a real labour of love for CBS
[22:41] <neuro> they farmed out season 2 with the idea that they'd do S1 in house, S2 outsourced, S3 in house, etc
[22:41] <neuro> but they weren't pleased with the results
[22:41] <neuro> so they're keeping it in house for S3-7
[22:42] <diddledan> "if you want something done..."
[22:42] <neuro> totally
[22:45] <neuro> awwww
[22:46] <neuro> just reading about S5
[22:46] <neuro> apparently 2m and 20s of original camera negatives couldn't be found
[22:46] <neuro> so they had to upscale from SD :(
[22:46] <diddledan> dang
[22:46] <diddledan> which scene?
[22:47] <diddledan> anything important?
[22:47] <neuro> 37s at the start of The First Duty
[22:47] <neuro> and 1m 41s of "Ten-Forward scenes" from Power Play
[22:47] <neuro> but sounds like they've done a good job
[22:47] <neuro> "If anything, the shots in question look as if the camera just pulled a soft focus (TOS female guest star-style)"
[22:47] <neuro> :)
[22:47] <neuro> http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/11/review-star-trek-the-next-generation-season-5-blu-ray/
[22:51] <diddledan> looks like they've really improved colour reproduction too
[22:51] <diddledan> the side-by-side video near the bottom shows much nicer tones
[22:51] <neuro> apparently the film->video conversion muddied a lot of colours, so it's more about restoring the original than enhancing
[22:52] <neuro> one thing you notice about the blu rays is that the uniforms really pop
[22:58] <shauno> I'm not sure skin-tight uniforms are meant to pop
[23:00] <daftykins> oooh TNG is what thee speak of
[23:00] <daftykins> that in HD could be interesting
[23:00] <daftykins> though i already watched the lot
[23:00] <shauno> I don't mind so much about HD, but widescreen would be reeeaally nice
[23:02] <neuro> shauno: won't happen
[23:02] <neuro> although shot in 35mm, it was framed for 4:3
[23:02] <shauno> right.  doesn't stop me wishing though :)
[23:02] <daftykins> heh
[23:02] <daftykins> you can stretch it and cringe :P
[23:03] <neuro> owwwwwwwww
[23:03] <neuro> noooooo
[23:03] <shauno> lol, nah
[23:03] <daftykins> ikr
[23:03] <shauno> more often I'll crop.  which is bad but not as bad
[23:03] <daftykins> i'm the friend that demands TV's be aspect-corrected when at others houses
[23:03] <neuro> that's worse!
[23:03] <daftykins> can't believe they can stand it :'(
[23:03] <neuro> at least with stretchyvision you don't lose picture information
[23:04]  * neuro always goes pillarbox
[23:04] <shauno> I find cropping less annoying than watching 4:3 :/  but I can't do blobbyhead mode
[23:04] <neuro> yeuch :)
[23:17] <shauno> well pants.  netflix won't open because the silverlight plugin fails.  trying to update it fails, and tells me to contact the software mffr.  sure, I'll just phone microsoft in the morning
[23:17] <shauno> (or wait until next time they call me!)