[01:29] <cmaloney> Do those headphones work for other people?
[01:30] <cmaloney> like aim them directionally? :)
[01:31] <rick_h_> hah
[01:44] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+PedroHenriqueKopper/posts/XZD2QhqmGce
[01:46] <rick_h_> makes sense to me
[02:07] <cmaloney> hello google
[02:47] <cmaloney> http://www.ianbicking.org/blog/2014/02/saying-goodbye-to-python.html
[02:47] <cmaloney> :(
[02:47] <rick_h_> it's only been that way for 4yrs
[02:47] <rick_h_> he should have written that long ago
[02:47] <rick_h_> instead of going silent as everyone tried to use his libs he abandoned
[02:48] <cmaloney> Yeah
[02:48] <cmaloney> But still, feels like Javascript is getting the interesting folks
[02:48] <rick_h_> mozilla is
[02:48] <cmaloney> Ah, true
[02:48] <jrwren> that site isn't working for me :(
[02:49] <jrwren> Firefox can't find the server at blog.ianbicking.org.&f=regular
[02:49] <rick_h_> but yea, I do like his post. It affirms what I've thought as well re: JS community and such
[02:49] <rick_h_> http://r.bmark.us/u/eb9ef47914589c
[02:49] <rick_h_> :)
[03:00] <jrwren> why the hel would you leave the py community for js
[03:01] <jrwren> python rules.
[03:13] <cmaloney> jrwren: I guess when you've been there for a while there's a bit of wander-lust
[12:06] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:31] <rick_h_> morning
[12:39] <rick_h_> brousch: thanks for the link
[12:41] <brousch> rick_h_: Are you trying to get in under the PSF?
[14:33] <rick_h_> google voice watch out? http://r.bmark.us/u/74e3b507ad663b
[14:33] <rick_h_> oh right, it's BB...nvm
[14:41] <brousch> Hm. I had to use Eclipse this morning and it irritated me. Then Komodo Edit (which I've been doing most Python dev in) also irritated me. Vim is the only one that hasn't irritated me today
[14:41] <rick_h_> come to the dark side
[14:41] <brousch> All ssh work is in vim
[14:42] <mathomastech_> Anyone ever use pyGTK with glade for a cross platform app?
[14:48] <brousch> mathomastech: About 4 years ago I toyed with it
[14:49] <brousch> Kivy is my cross-platform GUI framework now
[14:53] <mathomastech> brousch: Neat, supports IOS and Android as well. I don't think GTK+ has that.
[14:53] <brousch> It does not
[14:54] <brousch> GTK does not, that is
[14:57] <brousch> rick_h_: oooooooooh http://pytennessee.tumblr.com/post/76468750603/pytn-profiles-chris-mcdonough-and-simon-solutions
[14:58] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, cool stuff. pyTN is going to be a good conf
[14:59] <brousch> Are you going?
[15:00] <cmaloney> I know I don't have any plans at the moment to go to TN
[15:00] <cmaloney> brousch: You going?
[15:01] <rick_h_> no, but I wish I had gone. I underestimated how good it would be in a first year conf
[15:01] <brousch> I'm not going. I thought I'd be going to PyCon so I skipped it. PyTN is doing a bang-up job it looks like
[15:02] <brousch> Sold out!
[15:06] <cmaloney> wow
[15:53] <cmaloney> http://m.aux.tv/news/100455-7-royalty-cheques-that-ll-make-you-lose-your-faith-in-the-music-industry
[15:53] <cmaloney> Some more royalty checks.
[15:57] <jrwren> as if anyone has faith in the music industry.
[15:57] <jrwren> what idiot titled that.
[15:57] <cmaloney> Well, I'm sure someone out there thinks musicians all make tons of money
[15:58] <cmaloney> when the reality is a few big acts make most of the money
[15:59] <jrwren> I have no sympathy of these artists.
[15:59] <jrwren> they sold out when they signed with a big label.
[15:59] <jrwren> the big label licensed the music to these streaming companies.
[15:59] <jrwren> its been 30 years since Subpop was founded.
[15:59] <jrwren> When will kids learn?
[15:59] <jrwren> You don't sign with a label. PERIOD
[16:00] <cmaloney> jrwren: No argument here
[16:00] <jrwren> the only name in that entire article tha I know is Cracker
[16:00] <cmaloney> but then on the flip side if you sell on a site like bandcamp or what-not you still get your music torrented
[16:00] <jrwren> and missing from teh article is how mch $$$$ Cracker made in 1993-4 when that song was all over major radio and MTV
[16:01] <jrwren> cmaloney: how is that flip side? all music gets torrented.
[16:01] <cmaloney> had a conversation with a band about how their new album won't be CC licensed because they want to recoup their cost.
[16:01] <cmaloney> and they were miffed that their album was torrented / on filesharing sites
[16:01] <jrwren> lol
[16:02] <jrwren> they can't do anything about that. That poor band. They need some reeducation.
[16:02] <cmaloney> and I said that they were going to get that, CC-license or not
[16:02] <cmaloney> Yeah
[16:02] <cmaloney> I wish folks didn't have the attitude that artists shouldn't be paid
[16:02] <jrwren> I'd also like to point out, again about Cracker - Low - that was 20 years ago. Well outside of the 14yr default copyright of Copyright Act of 1790.  :)
[16:03] <cmaloney> but unfortunately there are a lot of great bands and plenty of gristle for labels to take advantage
[16:03] <jrwren> I wish artists didn't have attitude that they should be payed for use.
[16:03] <cmaloney> jrwren: I'm on the fence about that
[16:03] <cmaloney> I want artists to be paid for their music
[16:03] <jrwren> me too, its called performance.
[16:04] <cmaloney> I don't feel corporations should own that performance
[16:04] <jrwren> and hell, in our culture its done via branding and merch.
[16:04] <jrwren> I don't feel corporations should own that performance either.
[16:05] <jrwren> i'm getting angry just thinking about that article :)
[16:05] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_Global_Mobile#Business_aims
[16:05] <jrwren> "9 time grammy award winner..."  as if that matters at all
[16:06] <cmaloney> I love the quote that Fripp wrote. It's on all of the King Crimson releases from DGM.
[16:06] <cmaloney> "The phonographic copyright in these performances is operated by Discipline Global Mobile on behalf of the artists, with whom it resides, contrary to common practice in the record industry. Discipline accepts no reason for artists to assign the copyright interests in their work to either record company or management by virtue of a 'common practice' which was always questionable, often improper, and is
[16:06] <cmaloney> now indefensible."
[16:06] <jrwren> for a sec I thought it was David Geffin and I thought WTF?
[16:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, not quite
[16:07] <cmaloney> that's DGC
[16:07] <jrwren> I do like hte mission statement and business aims.
[16:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, but they too ran into business problems
[16:08] <jrwren> its a good example of a corporation that exists to not just make money.
[17:04] <mrgoodcat> hello all, just thought you might want to know the CHC link in the topic is broken.
[17:04] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: ah, good call
[17:04] <rick_h_> cmaloney: or greg-g can you update to http://royaloak.coffeehousecoders.com/ or a short of that?
[17:04] <mrgoodcat> also so is the All About Us link
[17:06] <mrgoodcat> it links to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ when it should link to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-mi/
[17:09] <mrgoodcat> also the michigan repository mirror appears down right now
[17:11] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: the All About Us link is also broken
[17:11] <greg-g> got it
[17:11] <mrgoodcat> lol nm
[17:11] <mrgoodcat> I just decided to try to get involved in the LoCo group and all the topic links were broken lol
[17:12] <greg-g> hah, oops
[17:12] <mrgoodcat> nbd. i found the relevant websites anyways. I also joined the mailing list. perhaps that should be in the topic as well?
[17:13] <cmaloney> welcome. :)
[17:14] <wolfger> good afternoon, peeps
[17:16] <greg-g> and yeah, welcome to the nicest free software irc channel around :)
[17:17] <mrgoodcat> the only irc channels i have frequented have been the WMU computer club channels and some ruby and Go dev channels
[17:17] <mrgoodcat> so I have very little precedent
[17:18] <wolfger> just take greg-g's word for it. :-)
[17:20] <mrgoodcat> I meant to attend CHC last night but I had too much to do. oh well, there's always next week
[17:20] <rick_h_> yep, good think about CHC is there's always another one < 7 days away
[17:21] <mrgoodcat> how did chc get started?
[17:21] <wolfger> anybody here familiar with miracast or WiDi?
[17:21] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: ann arbor started one but it was too far for me to drive with a kid
[17:21] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: and theirs isn't that regular and I wanted weekly hack time set aside
[17:21] <rick_h_> so there goes CHC, 4 years later...
[17:22] <rick_h_> wolfger: nope, not messed with it
[17:22] <mrgoodcat> wolfger: i've used samsung's AllShare Cast
[17:23] <wolfger> mrgoodcat:  which I gather is one particular implementation of miracast...
[17:23] <mrgoodcat> yes
[17:23] <wolfger> I just started investigating these things today, and I think "mess" is a good term to associate with it.
[17:24] <wolfger> what are your experiences?
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> AllShare Cast, SmartShare, Screen Mirroring, and Display Mirroring are all implementations of miracast
[17:24] <wolfger> good, bad, ugly?
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> well i've only used the samsung one (allshare) using my s4 and a samsung tv so it went pretty smoothly
[17:24] <mrgoodcat> but I know they have struggled gettting different implementations of miracast to play well together
[17:25] <wolfger> yeah... :-p
[17:25] <wolfger> How would I even know if my Toshiba laptop has mc/widi support?
[17:25] <mrgoodcat> also, it isn't a very well integrated experience, essentially just an exact display mirror
[17:25] <mrgoodcat> if you don't know, it probably doesn't
[17:26] <wolfger> well then, any further questions would be a moot point :-p
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> http://i.imgur.com/I2QmeZe.jpeg
[17:26] <wolfger> chromecast seems nice, but doesn't quite do everything I want (i.e. full-fledged screen share)
[17:27] <mrgoodcat> I love my chromecast
[17:27] <mrgoodcat> after owning it for 2 months I couldn't imagine ever going back
[17:28]  * rick_h_ is using his right now
[17:28] <mrgoodcat> I use it for google play movies and tv. it owns netflix in terms of ease of use and user experience
[17:29] <wolfger> My other issue with chromecast is that it's an hdmi dongle.... necessitating a TV with HDMI input
[17:29] <wolfger> fine at home, but less fine at hotels
[17:29] <mrgoodcat> it doesn't travel well anyways
[17:29] <wolfger> but for $35, it sounds like an awesome value
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> changing to new wifi networks is a nightmare
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> once you get it set up at home i promise you won't want to move it
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: have you had any problems with the sound on yours?
[17:30] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: no, I've got 3 and no issues
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> what brand tv?
[17:30] <mrgoodcat> must not have lg
[17:31] <rick_h_> no, all samsung of various ages/sizes
[17:32] <mrgoodcat> mine is having audio issues with my lg tv, but other people i've talked to with similar problems have almost exclusively lg tvs... seems to be an issue with LG's implementation of the HDMI standard and chromecast doesn't handle the discrepencies well
[17:40] <mrgoodcat> does anybody here run on the ubuntu devel branch?
[17:41] <greg-g> I run Debian Unstable, if that counts ;)
[17:42] <mrgoodcat> i've thought about making the switch before, but if I was going to switch away from unity i'd rather go with arch
[17:42] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea, I'm on trusty atm
[17:42] <greg-g> heh, interstingly phrased
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> i run arch on a couple of my machines and really like the rolling release model and from what i've heard running the devel branch is a little closer to being rolling release
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: because i said unity not ubuntu?
[17:43] <greg-g> yeah :)
[17:43] <mrgoodcat> the only reason i stick with ubuntu is because it runs unity the best
[17:43] <rick_h_> well there's not really a devel on ubuntu
[17:43] <cmaloney> pet shop boys "opportunities (lets make lots of money)" earworm: worst thing ever or best thing ever?
[17:44] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: also, Unstable is rolling, until it gets close to Debian Release time, where it slows down a little bit
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> yes there is, I assume you use the trusy repos? there are also devel
[17:44] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: then it gets way more stable and then, BAM, back to rolling
[17:45]  * wolfger doesn't recognize that song and is looking it up on youtube... probably a bad idea....
[17:46] <cmaloney> wolfger: Your funeral
[17:46] <wolfger> Is that lead singer like 12 years old or what?
[17:46] <cmaloney> It was 1986. Everyone looked younger
[17:46] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/devel
[17:47] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: yea, never looked at that. Curious how ppas and such work with that where you have to pick a series
[17:48] <wolfger> OK, first off, it's definitely not the best thing ever. Second, how did that ever achieve earworm status? I now know why it didn't click until I looked it up....l utterly forgettable.
[17:48] <greg-g> rick_h_: they just work, the info that those look at is updated correctly, it doesn't say "Ubuntu Devel" it says "Ubuntu Trusty" like yours
[17:48] <rick_h_> greg-g: ah interesting
[17:48] <cmaloney> wolfger: Just take my word for it. It's insidious
[17:48] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: in order to switch to the devel branch you just have to change the animal name to devel in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:48] <rick_h_> learn something new
[17:48] <greg-g> yeah
[17:49] <greg-g> Trusty is basically a symlink to devel
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> it says saucy though if you use devel
[17:49] <greg-g> ...
[17:49] <greg-g> what says saucy?
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/Release
[17:49] <mrgoodcat> lines 3 and 4
[17:50] <greg-g> huh
[17:50] <greg-g> ok, I might be wrong
[17:50] <mrgoodcat> it uses the most updated package but the release name is the most recently released. when trusty is released the devel branch will start using that name
[17:50] <mrgoodcat> it uses the trusty packages
[17:51] <wolfger> I'm so far behind the times... I don't even know what release names are post-Precise Pangolin
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> quantal quentsdflkjhas
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> raring ringtail
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> saucy salamander
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> truty tahr
[17:51] <wolfger> Did they accept my suggestion for Raunchy Raccoon? No? :-p
[17:51] <cmaloney> Then it'll be Urinating Unicorn
[17:51] <mrgoodcat> ha YES
[17:52] <cmaloney> Voluptuous Velociraptor
[17:52] <cmaloney> Whinging Whale
[17:52] <cmaloney> Xenochromatic Xenomorph
[17:52] <cmaloney> Yodeling Y-named animal
[17:52] <wolfger> Yodeling Yeti!
[17:52] <wolfger> Yes!
[17:53] <cmaloney> and Zoot-Suuited Zebra
[17:53] <greg-g> good one, yeti, I was stumped
[17:53] <cmaloney> then we'll start with greek letters.
[17:53] <cmaloney> like Tornado season.
[17:53] <cmaloney> Alpha Alpha RC1
[17:54] <cmaloney> ;)
[17:55] <wolfger> fraternity-themed releases?
[17:55] <mrgoodcat> just start back at a and use new animals? that could get confusing
[17:55] <wolfger> Wake me when they get to Tappa Kegga Brew
[17:55] <greg-g> kappa kappa kangaroo
[17:55] <cmaloney> karma kameleon
[17:56] <greg-g> cmaloney: EAR WORM
[17:56] <cmaloney> ;)
[17:56] <mrgoodcat> go with final fantasy naming. Ubuntu XXIVIVXI chapter XIIVI
[18:09] <mrgoodcat_> did I just time out on this channel?
[18:11] <brousch> wolfger: I have a couple of miracast dongles in use, and chromecast
[18:12] <mrgoodcat> the administrators rebooted the server i was running irssi on
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> apparently nobody on the admin team knows what is going on.... our ubuntu server is crashing hard though....
[18:20] <jrwren> cmaloney: i just realized I'm wearing  wcd tshirt and sweatshirt today. Its representative of our (C) conversation :)
[18:29] <mrgoodcat> wcd or wdc?
[18:43] <jrwren> wcd
[19:56] <cmaloney> jrwren: Hurray Women Corporate Directors!
[19:56] <cmaloney> (what is WCD?)
[20:01] <jrwren> whatcd
[20:03] <cmaloney> heh
[20:08] <brousch> That's what he's asking! What CD?
[20:19] <wolfger> what's on second
[23:11] <greg-g> yay!
[23:11] <greg-g> "Hello!
[23:11] <greg-g> If you are receiving this email you have been approved to travel to Zurich
[23:11] <greg-g> for the hackthon"
[23:12] <rick_h_> woot
[23:18] <wolfger> awesomesauce