[11:19] <cub> Since a couple of weeks I have had issue with Trusty in Virtualbox only to run in 640x480 setting. Anyone else having the same problem?
[11:38] <TheDrums> cub: vbox https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12623
[11:57] <zequence_> Apparently the boot parameter "threadiqs", which has always been default on linux-lowlatency is causing kernel freezes with some drivers in the latest Ubuntu kernels
[11:57] <zequence_> I was lucky to have this proble
[11:57] <zequence_> If it doesn't get fixed, it'll mean that we won't have use for the rtirq script, by default
[11:58] <zequence_> And users will need to set the boot parameter manually, if they don't suffer from the bug
[13:28] <zequence> holstein: Not many here to consult. I use the email to make people aware of a few things during development
[14:56] <holstein> zequence: sure, but that thread is a mess.. i was just suggesting trying to give it more focus.. so you dont have folks requesting a LAMP stack ship default in ubuntustudio
[14:56] <holstein> kind of like len has done with the video editor discussion
[15:16] <TheDrums> Just FYI in case you didn't see, Xubuntu is going for a git snapshot of xfce4-panel so we can get the indicators fully functioning.
[15:16] <TheDrums> xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.2.0 should be next.
[15:17] <holstein> TheDrums: thats good news, i think
[15:17] <holstein> TheDrums: will that just end up in the repos? is it something we can be testing as well?
[15:18] <TheDrums> Should be.  You can do testing right now, but unless something goes wrong it should be in the repos by the end of the week.
[15:18] <TheDrums> If you seed the *-gtk2 indicators, that should change.
[15:18] <TheDrums> (But wait for the whole stack before you do.)
[15:19] <holstein> i personally dont do much heavy lifting.. im mostly head of complaining and ranting.. and support ;)
[15:20] <TheDrums> Well, it's a note to the channel.
[17:43] <zequence> holstein: I can't help what people think I mean when I ask for input on package selection
[17:44] <holstein> sure.. and all im saying is, ask for just that
[17:44] <zequence> IMO, it's pretty clear what that means in general
[17:44] <holstein> like, "in the specific vido catagory"
[17:44] <holstein> you can see from the thread its a mess
[17:44] <holstein> zequence: yeah, but its not
[17:44] <holstein> zequence: folks are requesting skype
[17:44] <zequence> Not my fault. I was being pretty clear
[17:44] <holstein> zequence: im not trying to place "fault".. just a suggestion about catagories
[17:45] <zequence> As I said. I was pretty clear in my response
[17:45] <holstein> ok
[17:45] <holstein> and its the initial mail that is unclear, i suppose
[17:45] <zequence> Unfortunately, I don't think we'll have a single person putting enough effort on that, but one can always try
[17:46] <holstein> but, its more of a call for "what do you want in the os" rather than, "help us decide between these plugins"..
[17:46] <holstein> for example
[17:46] <zequence> You want to research what we should or should not be shipping?
[17:46] <holstein> zequence: who would you like me to contact?
[17:46] <zequence> Or you want to discuss what other peopel think I mean, when I ask for ideas?
[17:47] <holstein> just consider making it more specific in the future.. thats all.. im not trying to be combative
[17:47] <zequence> If you think the job needs improving, do the job
[17:48] <holstein> again, not trying to be combative
[17:48] <holstein> im aware of, and appreciate all your efforts
[17:49] <holstein> i think the thread has gotten to a nice discussion of video editors
[17:49] <zequence> I see some people list things they would like to see in Ubuntu Studio, but they aren't explaining why, which is one thing I mention intially
[17:50] <zequence> Some things we already ship too. there's no quality in the responses
[17:50] <zequence> So, a waste of time, practically
[17:50] <zequence> But, again, one can always try
[17:50] <holstein> thats what i was thinking
[17:51] <zequence> Otherwise, it's just me doing things here, pretty much. Like, one guy making all the decisions
[17:51] <holstein> and, i was trying to come up with a suggested way to break it up a bit.. "what audio plugins do you use" "what would you like to see added"
[17:51] <zequence> If you want, do a mail like that
[17:51] <holstein> zequence: and, i will but i *dont* want
[17:51] <holstein> i didnt know we were in a position to accept that kind of feedback
[17:52] <holstein> i woudnt do anything like that without consulting with you on it, to see if you think we have the resources, etc
[17:52] <zequence> To do what?
[17:52] <zequence> ask for opinions?
[17:52] <holstein> zequence: add/remove packages
[17:53] <zequence> We decide what is included
[17:53] <holstein> sure.. and i didnt know a change was on the table
[17:53] <zequence> a change? No one has been researching what is available for years
[17:53] <zequence> There are new things coming out all the time
[17:54] <zequence> Things that we might need
[17:54] <holstein> sure.. and do we have the resources to research and add them? i didnt think so
[17:54] <zequence> Other stuff that is obsolete, or just bad
[17:54] <holstein> or broken.. or not supported anymore.. or not working with JACK
[17:54] <holstein> but, what can we do about it?
[17:54] <zequence> Are you kidding?
[17:54] <holstein> im not on that level, and not sure that i ever will be
[17:54] <holstein> and i wouldnt want to put that on you or anyone else
[17:55] <zequence> It's just package selection. It's not rocket science
[17:55] <holstein> i didnt say, or imply it was
[17:55] <holstein> but, its not something i can deal with
[17:56] <holstein> what are you looking at or thinking about specifically, zequence ?
[17:57] <holstein> just audio packages you think?
[17:57] <zequence> If you read the mail list, you can't miss what I meant
[17:57] <holstein> maybe we could pick a section and clean it up
[17:57] <zequence> I don't have time to talk more right now
[17:57] <zequence> See you holstein 
[17:59] <holstein> zequence: when you do have time, id like to work this out, becuase i *have* read the mail, and its quite general, which was my feedback
[18:00] <holstein> i would like to, truly, and non-combatively, constructively try and address a specific topic.. maybe just audio plugin, for example.. i will try and start a thread after discussing it with you, if you agree
[18:01] <holstein> or, we could break out the video editor discussion.. which i would have to load up a few of them, since i havent seen them in action first-hand in years
[18:08] <zequence> holstein: I think it's up to each and everyone to try make the discussions useful. And one can start a new thread anytime to discuss a certain topic
[18:08] <zequence> The positive side of this is that at least there are people talking
[18:08] <zequence> Which is a nice contrast
[18:09] <zequence> Discussions should be done mainly on the mail list
[18:09] <zequence> I can't be more specific than I have been. But, you are of course free to carry on the discussion anywhere you want
[18:10] <zequence> You don't need my permission for anything. I just keep the keys to the locks, and make sure changes have quality
[18:10] <zequence> Discussing is never a bad thing
[18:13] <zequence> Recent changes I did was dropping ardour2
[18:13] <zequence> That's pretty much it for now
[18:14] <holstein> so, audio production application cleanup is the ideal focus?
[18:18] <zequence> No. Making sure we have a sound selection is always a focus
[18:19] <cub> hi
[18:19] <zequence> Our workflows, and desktop tools that help enhance them
[18:19] <cub> I have had the wish to look into workflows and applications, but as everyone else, time is always short.
[18:20] <cub> I didn't make much suggestions either since I haven't been doing any audio or video work for over a year. I wouldn't know about plugins.
[18:20] <cub> and suddenly feature freeze is creeping up fast.
[18:23] <zequence> Yeah, we need to make any changes in seeds before next Thursday
[18:23] <zequence> Going to do some kernel testing. bbl
[18:24] <holstein> zequence: i like that last response to the list.. very clarifying..
[18:25] <cub> I'll send a request for merge later on this evening for the speech-dispatcher. Sure, it's easy for you to just add it manually but then I have done it "the right way". :)
[18:26] <cub> holstein, zequence, yeah good response.
[22:08] <cub> zequence, I made a bzr push to my own https://code.launchpad.net/~jimmy-sjolund/+junk/ubuntustudio.trusty but now I can't find any way to request a merge. Tips?
[22:13] <cub> on the https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.trusty I see the "branch merges" heading but going forward there seems to try to merge the main ubuntustudio branch with my own, which is not allowed and it's the other way around I would want, right?
[22:15] <cub> "This branch is not mergeable into lp:~jimmy-sjolund/+junk/ubuntustudio.trusty." Not sure what I'm doing wrong...
[22:16] <knome> cub, afaik, you should push to lp:~jimmy-sjolund/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.trusty
[22:23] <cub> I was wondering about that. My lp page suggested +junk and I just went with it.
[22:24] <knome> yeah, that's the default push location
[22:26] <cub> great, now I got the propose for merge button, thanks knome !
[22:26] <knome> np
[22:28] <cub> yay, merge proposed. :D
[22:28] <cub> A small step for Ubuntu Studio but a huge leap for me.
[22:29] <knome> :)