=== cmiller__ is now known as qengho === thumper is now known as thumper-afk === thumper-afk is now known as thumper [01:53] TheMuso`, you're working on bug 1266312? [01:53] Launchpad bug 1266312 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Mute button is not labelled and Test sound button does not activate with Orca" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266312 [01:53] TheMuso`, if so, do you also want bug 1266291? [01:53] Launchpad bug 1266291 in gnome-control-center-unity (Ubuntu) "Workspace switcher toggle in Appearance Behaviour tab not available to Orca" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266291 [02:07] robert_ancell: Yeah I am actually working on both, just haven't assigned myself to the latter. I'll do that now. === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso [02:08] TheMuso, awesome, thanks [02:19] bschaefer, attente_, I assume bug 1270555 is related to what you were talking about before - is that a dup, can someone be assigned to that? [02:19] Launchpad bug 1270555 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "The Text Entry dialog shows invalid keyboard shortcuts to change layout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270555 [02:30] * bschaefer looks [02:31] robert_ancell, ill save that for attente_ to take a look. Looks like it could be a different one possibly... [02:32] bschaefer, he might be offline, so I'll assign it to him :) [02:32] robert_ancell, sounds good :) === maclin__ is now known as maclin === duflu_ is now known as duflu [07:06] Good morning [08:51] hi, I'm trying to test some changes in unity-settings-daemon, what's the recommended procedure? Uninstall gnome-session ? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:03] good morning desktopers! [09:03] happy friday [09:03] seb128, good morning to you too! [09:03] diwic, why? you should be able to just install it? [09:03] diwic, hey ;-) [09:03] morning [09:03] happy friday indeed [09:03] Laney, hey, how are you? [09:04] seb128, so your workflow would be bzr branch lp:unity-settings-daemon, hack, and then...? [09:04] diwic, bzr bd; sudo dpkg -i ../build-area/*.deb [09:04] unity-settings-daemon --replace --debug [09:04] or just copy the plugin .so over the system one [09:05] seb128, but unity-settings-daemon conflicts with gnome-session ? [09:05] diwic, it shouldn't [09:05] it sure doesn't [09:05] let me double check [09:06] seb128: I'm good thanks, you? [09:07] aha, maybe I'm just missing a dist-upgrade [09:07] Laney, I'm good thanks [09:07] diwic, robert_ancell did an upload this night to make gnome-session depends on g-s-d-schemas instead of g-s-d [09:07] but g-s-d and u-s-d should be co-installable [09:07] those changes are only if you want to remove g-s-d [09:07] that you don't need to do [09:08] seb128, I saw the breaks: gnome-session was versioned, and I seem not to have dist-upgraded in a while, so probably it's just that [09:08] k [09:09] diwic, is there any way to simulate an unknown audio device plugin to test your feature? [09:25] seb128, in the next merge I'll add that TESTDIALOG define [09:25] heyo desktopers [09:26] darkxst, hey [09:26] diwic, ok [09:26] hey seb128 [09:27] seb128, hopefully today, I just got busy with a hwe bug that needs to take priority first [09:29] no worry [09:31] seb128, so I was going to say I had a ppa for you to test, however I am hitting weird build failures [09:33] darkxst, is that about gnome-desktop? [09:33] seb128, yes of course [09:33] not giving up are you ;-) [09:33] well, as said I doubt I've slot for it [09:33] nope! [09:33] I've a list worth a month of work to check/land before ff next week [09:34] things are getting slightly out of control there [09:34] right I will find another slot to land it [09:34] well, don't block on me [09:34] but I'm still of the opinion that it wouldn't be reasonable to land that before the LTS [09:34] just saying, something broke.... [09:34] what's the issue/error? [09:35] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/166020771/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.gnome-settings-daemon_3.8.6.1-0ubuntu9~trusty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [09:36] looks like api changes but this built fine a couple of weeks ago :( [09:36] and gsd-cursor-manager is completely unrelated to the display config stuff [09:37] idle-monitor is included in the new packages btw [10:24] don't upgrade people [10:25] (guess it's late for most morning upgraders) [10:26] seb128: uh oh. What broke? [10:26] hey, daily update left my system with this: [10:26] apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [10:26] [10:26] being discussed on #ubuntu-devel atm [10:26] I'm going to keep you guys updated [10:26] thanks :) [10:28] larsu, is apt-get complaining about that for you? [10:29] hum [10:29] in fact that version got promoted 41 minutes ago [10:29] so maybe most europeans updated before it hit the archive [10:30] if some downloaded it, you can try to wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.8/4.8.2-15ubuntu3/+build/5578881/+files/libgcc1_4.8.2-15ubuntu3_amd64.deb and install it [10:33] seb128: no, I didn't get that [10:33] I updated earlier though [10:34] k [10:34] stay away from the update trigger ;-) [10:34] * larsu stays away [10:41] Moin all, btw! [10:44] Sweetshark, hey [11:03] postinsts R US [11:03] * Laney offers a sacrifice to the gods of debian policy [11:06] speaking of those [11:06] mvo, hey, how are you? [11:07] mvo, do you think you could have a look to the aptdaemon tests failing/ftbfs in trusty? [11:30] * seb128 looks at pitti [11:30] bonjour seb128, hey mvo [11:30] pitti, salut, ça va ? [11:31] seb128: err, it's green? http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-aptdaemon/27/ [11:31] pitti, seems like bug #1051951 regressed again (I didn't try for a while, but just plugged my ipod to test something and I get an usb stick icon) [11:31] Launchpad bug 1051951 in gvfs "music players are shown as usb drive not devices" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051951 [11:31] seb128: ça va bien, merci ! très mieux que trusty aujourd'hui ☺ [11:31] trusty :/ [11:32] bah, launchpad timeout [11:32] seb128: queueing for investigation [11:32] pitti, it's not the autopkgtest that fails, it's the tests run during the build [11:32] pitti, ID_MEDIA_PLAYER is set for the device [11:33] seb128: ah, it's the same test, but hte last time aptdaemon was run was on Dec 13 [11:33] so it probably fails now due to some change [11:34] seb128: oh, you mean the FTBFS of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/1.1.1-1ubuntu2 [11:34] pitti, yes [11:42] mvo, seb128: hm, on trunk I only get a PEP-8 failure [11:43] * pitti goes to fix them while wrestling with upgrade failures [12:00] pitti, ok, maybe some fix to cherrypick there then [12:01] pitti, btw I was looking at you for the gvfs issue, but thanks for picking up the aptdaemon one ;-) [12:02] seb128: ah, that was mostly a quick drive-by thing, still deep in wrestling with upgrade issues; I'll keep gvfs on the radar, though [12:05] pitti, I tried to debug a bit, I can continue doing it if you want [12:06] well, rather I check basic stuff like that the old patch didn't get dropped [12:06] and that the ID_MEDIA_PLAYER property is defined in udev output === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:34] mpt, hey, what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1280274? does the label suggestion makes sense there? [12:34] Launchpad bug 1280274 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "The control panel includes a switch without description" [Undecided,New] [12:38] is something broken with the keyboard layout? the switcher shows correct layout but I need to click it to take it in use, otherwise it's using us layout after login [12:39] tjaalton, not a known issue, you are the first one to describe that [12:39] wfm [12:39] yeah it happens at least on one laptop [12:40] but only on my session [12:41] huh, now it works for me too.. [12:42] keyboard switching also changed for me too a few days ago (trusty) - since then, it is suddenly triggered with Ctrl-Space instead of Super-Space, which is really annoying with Emacs [12:42] i don't know if this was a side effect of installing & trying out gnome-shell last week [12:47] seb128: decorations menus are back, fyi. [12:48] Trevinho, I saw the mp, great, thanks! [12:48] even on panel now... is that enough for landing? [12:52] Trevinho, wfm [12:53] what's the status of the current CI train landing ask? [12:53] do you guys plan to land the current version and do another landing soon [12:53] or to update to include some extra fixes? [12:56] seb128: I think we'd like to land asap... THe last AP tests given 7 failures (well, hundreds on intel, but I guess there's something broken with the test machine there)... So, we should be ok [12:56] nice [12:56] works fine on my machine (out of the dash bg thing) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:13] is it in a CI silo? [13:13] I'll try it [13:15] Laney, the new unity? it's in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-003/ but that doesn't include the decorator menu Trevinho was just mentioning [13:15] testing would be welcome still [13:15] ah [13:15] since that's candidate for landing ;-) [13:15] if it exists it can be included in this landing [13:15] Laney: we need also bamf [13:15] & that ;-) [13:16] Trevinho, you can keep appending vcs-es to the landing ask and ask them to reconfigure the silo [13:16] Laney, seems like they want to do a landing with what they have an another one with other nicety next week [13:16] seb128: ehm I probably didn't understand :) [13:16] going the ball rolling again, we didn't have unity landing for ages and the changeset is non trivial [13:16] not at all [13:16] thought you were talking about "no regressions" the other day [13:17] yeah, that would be my stance [13:17] but I'm not the one deciding, I just gave my opinion [13:17] we "no regress"... mostly. :) [13:17] Trevinho, the CI train table lists the branches to land [13:17] if you are not happy with the current set you can work on a fix and add an extra branch to the request [13:17] the ppa gets it and you can retest [13:18] iterate until happy [13:18] then you can land [13:18] yep [13:18] if bamf is needed it should be added in any case [13:18] indeed [13:18] it's already in the slot [13:18] that's a compiz/unity/nux/bamf set [13:18] so you can add branches for bamf as well [13:18] ya, needs to be listed [13:19] hum, maybe 4.4 fixes that scan-for-operators script [13:19] * Laney reboots to see if it works after that [13:19] * Laney : master of randomly changing the subject [13:38] pitti, time for another beer, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316? ;-) [13:42] seb128: heh; well, if anything that just means more work for us in the long run, but we had that coming :) [13:42] seb128: a small taste of what to look forward to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212 [13:42] :) [13:42] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1043212 in systemd "something creating /var/run/nologin" [High,New] [13:42] "and be as pleasant to work with" [13:42] pitti, yeh [13:47] bugs are fun [13:48] upstart was rebooting my computer on dist-upgrades recently; nobody is innocent :-) [13:49] bugs are normal, the more code churn, the less tests, the more bugs [13:49] did you found the issue/what was happening? [13:49] yeah, it's fixed now [13:50] what was it? [13:50] umm, can't remember exactly [13:50] something was doing 'telinit u', which was crashing init I think [13:50] k, don't worry, I was just curious [13:51] u → please re-exec yourself [13:51] like if it was mid-upgrade or something [13:51] seb128, Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1269731 - invalid jobs were causing the failure. Amazing how many eyes looked at the code and missed that one :) [13:51] Launchpad bug 1269731 in upstart (Ubuntu) "init crashed with SIGSEGV" [Critical,Fix released] [13:51] jodh: ya [13:51] anyway I only brought it up as an example of bugs being everywhere [13:52] and pointing at particular examples not being too helpful [13:52] jodh, thanks [13:52] Laney, right, I'm still happy that you figured it out, it was disturbing to have a bug reboot systems out there [13:52] seb128: no credit for me, jodh got it === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [14:20] tedg, hey, still working on inkscape? can you get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+bug/1248174 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/165669413/1248174-Ubuntu-colour-palette-different-from-design_ubuntu_com.patch upstream? [14:20] Launchpad bug 1248174 in inkscape (Ubuntu) "The Ubuntu colour palette in Inkscape is different from the one in design.ubuntu.com" [Low,In progress] [14:21] Sure [14:21] tedg, thanks [14:23] did anyone else notice that the new theme package breaks the theme? the mail view in evolution has a black background now and i can't read any mail [14:30] dobey, that's one app [14:30] but that might be due to https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/dont-set-all-bgs/+merge/197234 [14:30] very likely it is... [14:31] just saying, but evolution has visual bugs with every theme [14:31] it does some weird stuff [14:31] users reported that against the main xubuntu theme (greybird) as well, we also had testers with adwaita who could reproduce the issue [14:32] luckily, in xubuntu i can say "i don't care (enough)" [14:33] ochosi: it worked fine yesterday. today it is broken. [14:33] dobey, you might want to try unloading overlay-scrollbar in cases it helps, but I doubt it, it would have been buggy before [14:34] dobey, right, it's likely the mp I pointed, that just landed, evo probably has some custom widget that needs special theming rules === ara is now known as Guest55777 [14:34] seb128: afaik it's just webkit, but the layout of mail messages in it might break something [14:35] or well, might expose some behavior that other apps don't tend to hit [14:35] it's probably a widget that should set a bg color and doesn't [14:35] the theme was setting it for all widgets before [14:35] it stopped doing that [14:36] hah [14:36] it's just webkit [14:36] if you open online accounts and add an oauth account, the area where the webkit is is all black until the page loads [14:36] larsu: just wondering, you guys decided to revert the greeter_mode in indicator-sound? (it's not there anymore, this is when it was added, which was already a while back: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/add-greeter-mode/+merge/70339) [14:37] seb128: so if you just fix it to set the bg for webkit, it should fix the issue [14:37] larsu: background: currently you can launch media-players in greeters that support indicators and don't explicitely blacklist -sound [14:37] larsu: ^^ [14:38] ochosi, what do you mean? [14:38] ochosi: i-sound still has a greeter mode, but it doesn't show any players [14:38] should it? [14:38] dobey: thanks [14:38] no, it definitely shows players in lightdm-gtk-greeter [14:38] the other indicators are fine though (e.g. datetime or power) [14:39] so setting the env_var works, i'd say [14:39] ochosi, I guess the gtk greeter is not setting the indicator mode? [14:39] oh [14:39] no, it doesn't look at the env var anymore [14:39] the plot thickens! [14:39] :} [14:40] the panel gets the object paths back [14:40] larsu: if you do that, would an update make it out today? [14:41] do what? [14:41] dobey, we can ask for one, then it's up to sil2100&co to see if we get a landing slot [14:42] larsu, he wants you to look at the webkitgtk bg color issue I think :p [14:42] ah, sorry I confused it with the i-sound debate [14:42] I don't think it's that easy, but I'll have a look [14:44] larsu, dobey: if I were you I would ask on #evolution on the GNOME irc if they know about a such issue, the evo guys are usually nice [14:44] that might be a "oh, yes, check that" [14:45] seb128: i just duplicated the exact same problem outside of evolution [14:46] dobey, right, you said, but those guys might know about webkitgtk issues [14:48] right, but i don't see how that will help exactly :) [14:49] having somebody telling you where to find a fix rather than having to debug it yourself? [14:50] that usually avoid wasting time [14:50] that's like the XError software-center was hitting, I did some round of upstream pinging with question and they helped [14:50] if I had tried to debug webkitgtk by myself, not knowing the code, I would probably still be debugging it [14:57] well, the "fix" would be a patch to webkitgtk itself i guess, so that it always draws the default bg [14:57] no [14:57] it gets the color from css [14:57] right now, we don't set one [14:58] workarounds would be patches to any apps that embed webkit to set the bg on it by default. or to have the theme to set it [14:58] larsu: well plain text e-mails don't have css [14:58] dobey: gtk theming css [14:59] larsu: then it sounds like my suggested fix is the right fix :) [15:06] hello :) [15:08] dobey, seb128: hm, I was hoping this would fix it, but it doesn't: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/commit/?id=7e381493870177818d990e3a4e6e63f4f7b09915 [15:08] and I don't have much more time to investigate this today unfortunately === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:56] Laney, can you get me off the CD image builds emails? ;-) === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:16] ChrisTownsend, for some reason the sticky edges setting is on even if i try to turn it off in g-c-c [16:19] attente_: Strange, works here. === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [16:29] seb128: hahaha [16:29] that lasted long [16:32] Laney, I though I would receive emails only on build failures, not daily :p [16:32] oh, /those/ ones [16:33] you could filter them away? [16:33] yeah... [16:33] the failure ones are usually generally interesting [16:33] s/generally/genuinely/ [16:33] right, that's why I said yes [16:33] but I don't want to get a daily email on days where there are no issue [16:34] ya [16:34] not willing to have your client delete them? [16:34] I guess I could put filtering [16:34] up to you [16:34] I need to get an actual failure to see what change/on what to filter [16:35] Laney, let's give it a try [16:35] I'd do "Daily CD health checks" → delete [16:35] so the failures ahve different titles? [16:35] there are two basic types [16:35] LiveFS ubuntu/trusty/i386 failed to build on 20140213 [16:36] CD image lubuntu/trusty/daily-preinstalled failed to build on 20140212 [16:36] k [16:36] thanks [16:36] couldn't find an Ubuntu example of the second type [16:36] it's more rare [16:36] I'm just going to filter the daily check to null then [16:36] nod [16:37] wtf [16:37] system-settings is [16:37] OMG [16:37] IS IT THAT SAME BUG [16:37] the Column ListItem one [16:38] ? [16:38] seriously ... [16:38] I added some printing and it gets the list of networks [16:38] if it's an SDK problem... [16:38] lol [16:38] I was thinking about that yesterday and then forgot to mention [16:38] I actually read the code of ofono [16:38] :-( [16:38] oh well [16:38] easy to test if it's the sdk [16:39] set an height for the column [16:39] random one, try 300 [16:39] oh that fixes it too? [16:39] yes [16:39] was going to delete the column [16:40] there's inconsistent indentation on the Column too [16:40] * Laney twitches [16:41] yep, that was it [16:41] fail [16:41] :/ [16:41] Laney, so it's working, just the toolkit screwed us? [16:41] yes [16:42] :/ [16:42] kenvandine, rsalveti: jfyi [16:42] ^ [16:42] well, I can't verify selection is working [16:42] ? [16:42] * kenvandine reads back [16:42] because I'm not allowed on any other network [16:42] kenvandine, the empty carriers list is an uitk bug [16:42] kenvandine, same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1275861 [16:42] Launchpad bug 1275861 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ItemSelector in Column not rendered" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:42] ah! [16:42] kenvandine: why do we show 'forbidden' networks there? [16:42] we know that we're not allowed on them [16:42] kenvandine, the one I asked you to find somebody to assign while you were in Orlando [16:43] seb128, yeah, we got that assigned [16:43] Laney, i didn't know about forbidden :) [16:43] i don't recall seeing anything about forbidden, but i guess i wasn't really looking for it either [16:43] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/doc/network-api.txt#n181 [16:44] probably only show available and current? [16:44] rsalveti: does that sound right? [16:44] well, I guess unknown too [16:44] ok, hide forbidden :P [16:44] makes sense to me [16:44] * rsalveti reads backlog [16:45] rsalveti, the ofono issue is not an ofono issue, it's an ui toolkit regression [16:46] argh [16:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1276699 was related though [16:46] Launchpad bug 1276699 in ofono (Ubuntu) "scan-for-operator script fails: org.ofono.Error.Failed: Operation failed" [Undecided,Triaged] [16:47] rsalveti: still the question about if there's any point in displaying status: forbidden networks [16:52] Laney: I never saw such thing anywhere, but I saw empty lists [16:52] I'm able to reproduce that empty list behavior with another htc phone I have, but with android [16:53] rsalveti: what thing? [16:57] seb128, a new UITK just landed in the archive [16:57] ogra_, yeah, I saw, it doesn't fix that bug though [16:58] sad [16:58] indeed [16:58] it should be being prioritised imho [16:58] well, I pinged kenvandine for that and he got it assigned [16:59] the uitk team is busy with qt 5.2 coming and other stuffs I guess [16:59] yeah, bzoltan had me assign it right away... but looks like nobody looked at it past that :/ [17:00] I'm going to ping them on monday [17:00] anyway, we can fix those two things [17:00] seb128, i just bumped the priority of the bug [17:00] it's affecting more and more things [17:00] kenvandine, thanks [17:01] and hopefully the bug mail will remind them :) [17:01] I already commented with the other bug link [17:01] but thanks [17:01] they were pretty overloaded all week last week with design [17:01] the sprint was a bit overwhelming i think === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [17:02] poor SDKers === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [17:05] Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/scale-factor-for-unity7-unity8/+merge/206240 looks fine to you? [17:07] mlankhorst: ping [17:08] mlankhorst: hey...we've got this new feature in mir to capture screen-cast...but it uncovered a bug in mesa [17:08] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=74563 [17:08] seb128: dunno, why do we need to store it separately? [17:08] doesn't gtk have a setting for this? [17:08] just wondering...what's the best way to get some love on that mesa bug since its blocking us [17:09] Laney, org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor you mean? [17:09] Laney, that's not by screen [17:09] okay, and what does shell use? [17:09] no idea [17:10] do they do scalling by monitor? [17:10] or just follow that scalling key from gsd? === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [17:11] seb128: Hi Sebastien! [17:11] GunnarHj, hey [17:11] seb128: Do you have time to assist with an upload of ubuntu-docs? [17:11] hey seb128 seeing a weird thing on a test machine this morning. I'm stuck at lightdm login screen for my user, but my guest session can get to a desktop. [17:12] GunnarHj, yes [17:12] seb128: Everything is prepared in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/trusty [17:12] jasoncwarner, "stucked"? like it bounces you back after you auth to log in? [17:12] GunnarHj, ok, just standard bzr bd to build? [17:12] seb128: We just need someone who 'push the button'. [17:12] seb128: Yes, standard 'bzr bd'. [17:13] k [17:14] seb128: exactly that. [17:14] jasoncwarner, seems like your session fails to start, can you share ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session.log ? [17:14] GunnarHj, doing that in a bit [17:14] seb128: Ok, thanks! [17:15] kgunn: remind me monday please [17:15] mlankhorst: ta...have a nice weekend [17:31] dobey, is your issue https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699576 ? [17:31] Gnome bug 699576 in general "Mail reader frame is black (in the mail view)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [17:33] seb128: it's different to that [17:33] well, I think it is --- the body background is black too [17:33] for plaintext emails [17:34] seb128: sort of yes. for html mails it looks something like that screenshot. for plain text mails, the whole background of the view is black [17:34] it can't be the /same/ as that, as the revert I did is still in [17:35] and it's all webkitgtk views, not just evo [17:35] ya [17:35] evo could have been working around it though [17:36] well i see there's a patch in that bug that has status "committed" [17:36] but i don't know if it's in the version of evo that's in trusty [17:36]