| slickymaster | belkinsa: actually what happened is that I forgot to give you that link | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| slickymaster | I was planning to do it whena I gave the first one, but then it splitted my mind | 00:02 |
| slickymaster | sorry for that, my bad :P | 00:02 |
| belkinsa | It's cool. | 00:03 |
| belkinsa | Random question: Do you have a twiitter? | 00:04 |
| belkinsa | s/twiitter/Twitter | 00:04 |
| jenni | belkinsa meant to say: Random question: Do you have a Twitter? | 00:04 |
| slickymaster | nopes belkinsa, neither facebook | 00:04 |
| slickymaster | I'm not too much fond of social networking | 00:05 |
| belkinsa | Good choice. I only have Twitter and a blog that I run. | 00:05 |
| slickymaster | just g+ | 00:05 |
| BlinkinCat | Hi Team | 01:24 |
| slickymaster | BlinkinCat: were're on the other channel | 01:25 |
| slickymaster | are you here? | 01:25 |
| BlinkinCat | how do I log off of this one? | 01:25 |
| slickymaster | we'll came here | 01:26 |
| slickymaster | waits a sec | 01:26 |
| knome | hey BlinkinCat | 01:27 |
| slickymaster | knome: the floor is yours | 01:27 |
| BlinkinCat | Hi knome | 01:27 |
| knome | so basically, as i were helping out slickymaster and belkinsa with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Header, we came to discuss the need for a separate entity | 01:27 |
| knome | eg. why don't we add the newdocs stuff under the main documentation team banner? | 01:28 |
| BlinkinCat | How would that work? | 01:28 |
| knome | it is really part of that team, and there's even some overlap | 01:28 |
| knome | in practice, all workflows and stuff could go as usually | 01:29 |
| knome | just that there wouldn't be a separate irc channel, or a separate "newdocs team", just people who are members of the documentation team working on newdocs | 01:29 |
| knome | currently, the doc team is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ | 01:30 |
| jenni | [ DocumentationTeam - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1dMltjv | 01:30 |
| BlinkinCat | I can't see why that wouldn't work | 01:30 |
| knome | ultimately i can see that getting newdocs more contributors | 01:31 |
| knome | because is shared, it's also more accessible for new contributors looking for what to do | 01:31 |
| slickymaster | and that's something newdocs is really lacking | 01:31 |
| BlinkinCat | It is a bit of a struggle neow | 01:31 |
| knome | and information exchange between newdocs and the other wiki people should happen | 01:31 |
| knome | i guess strictly speaking, as newdocs is currently defined, it should be relatively easy to run it technically half-automatically.. | 01:33 |
| knome | ..referring to http://temp.knome.fi/docs/docs-popular.html | 01:33 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, i assume you have seen that? | 01:33 |
| BlinkinCat | Yes | 01:34 |
| knome | but anyway, i do understand there is a need to review pages manually and make sure they are of high quality | 01:34 |
| knome | which is something the rest of the wiki contributors are trying to do | 01:34 |
| knome | with tagging pages etc. | 01:34 |
| belkinsa | Hey there BlinkinCat. | 01:34 |
| BlinkinCat | Hey belkinsa | 01:34 |
| * belkinsa was in the shower. | 01:34 | |
| slickymaster | what are your thoughts on all this BlinkinCat ? | 01:35 |
| knome | so i guess what i'm trying to say: let's try to cooperate more, and let's try to make newdocs a little less of a separate team | 01:35 |
| belkinsa | I agree here. | 01:35 |
| knome | i'm sure both parties will benefit | 01:35 |
| BlinkinCat | I am in agreement with progress | 01:36 |
| slickymaster | we're all paddling on the same boat | 01:36 |
| knome | also, i have yet to get an answer for an important question... | 01:36 |
| knome | where does the name "newdocs" come from? :) | 01:36 |
| slickymaster | lol | 01:36 |
| * belkinsa was wondering this too... | 01:36 | |
| belkinsa | s/was/si | 01:36 |
| jenni | belkinsa si wondering this too... | 01:36 |
| slickymaster | BlinkinCatt is the one to explain it | 01:36 |
| belkinsa | s/si/is | 01:36 |
| knome | i would think it would be better to rebrand that simply as "PopularPages" or something | 01:37 |
| BlinkinCat | I wish I could remember - maybe I will lol! | 01:37 |
| belkinsa | knome, +1 | 01:37 |
| knome | (of course, redirect from NewDocs too) | 01:37 |
| belkinsa | +1 again | 01:37 |
| slickymaster | I think that Leigh ought to be heard on this though | 01:37 |
| belkinsa | Yes. | 01:38 |
| knome | currently, as we all know, we're linking to NewDocs with this introduction: | 01:38 |
| knome | Most popular pages | 01:38 |
| knome | We have gathered an alphabetical list of the most popular pages in this wiki. | 01:38 |
| knome | which pretty much says it all | 01:38 |
| belkinsa | Agreed, it does | 01:38 |
| knome | since the "letters" aren't subpages, but A/ B/..., we just need to do one redirection | 01:39 |
| knome | which is obviously a good thing:) | 01:39 |
| BlinkinCat | "Most Popular Pages " it is then | 01:39 |
| knome | i also think we should consult the whole team though | 01:39 |
| belkinsa | As in Doc team or NewDocs? | 01:40 |
| BlinkinCat | Leigh was around a little while ago | 01:40 |
| knome | it's not like the doc team is the superpower and feeds down other teams what they should do or be called | 01:40 |
| knome | the NewDocs team | 01:40 |
| belkinsa | Ah. | 01:40 |
| knome | i don't think there's any objections from the main team | 01:40 |
| knome | i can help with merging the team-docs to the documentation team wiki, including the banner | 01:43 |
| belkinsa | Sure, why not. | 01:43 |
| knome | and i'm also a wiki admin, so if you need such help, feel free to ping me | 01:43 |
| slickymaster | I've just PM Leigh in the forum so she join us here | 01:44 |
| belkinsa | Purrrrrrfect. | 01:44 |
| knome | i will be back really shortly | 01:44 |
| slickymaster | I didn't saw she was online | 01:44 |
| BlinkinCat | I now feel like a small cog in a large wheel! | 01:44 |
| belkinsa | Good or bad thing? | 01:44 |
| BlinkinCat | NewDocs sure has grown - good | 01:45 |
| belkinsa | Right, but (sort of) merging with Doc Team. Good or bad thing? | 01:46 |
| BlinkinCat | That's progress so it has to be a good thing | 01:47 |
| belkinsa | Ah, I se.e | 01:47 |
| belkinsa | s/se.e/see | 01:47 |
| jenni | belkinsa meant to say: Ah, I see | 01:47 |
| belkinsa | I love you, jenni. | 01:47 |
| slickymaster | it's like a baby that grew up and is now becaming independent | 01:48 |
| belkinsa | Lol, but yeah, | 01:48 |
| knome | for what it's worth, i think ~newdocs in launchpad can continue as always (assuming there is need for that group) and be made a member of ~ubuntu-doc | 01:48 |
| slickymaster | out of its fathers guardianship | 01:48 |
| knome | i'm not *completely sure* of that | 01:48 |
| slickymaster | it already is knome | 01:48 |
| belkinsa | I believe it is already, knome. | 01:49 |
| knome | it is? | 01:49 |
| knome | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/+members#active | 01:49 |
| slickymaster | yeaps | 01:49 |
| knome | nope | 01:49 |
| jenni | [ Members : “Ubuntu Documentation Project Team” team ] - https://j.mp/1dMpbcV | 01:49 |
| belkinsa | Subteam of | 01:49 |
| belkinsa | “NewDocs” is a member of these teams: | 01:49 |
| belkinsa | Ubuntu Documentation Contributors | 01:49 |
| belkinsa | Ubuntu Documentation Project Team | 01:49 |
| knome | ah, via ~ubuntu-doc-contributors | 01:49 |
| knome | yep | 01:49 |
| knome | that's cool | 01:49 |
| knome | one more intermission, will switch from desktop to laptop:) | 01:50 |
| BlinkinCat | Just want to say at this rebirth of NewDocs that I am proud that it developed from such a simple idea! | 01:52 |
| knome | definitely | 01:52 |
| knome | it's great to see that there is still projects where people want to contribute... | 01:53 |
| knome | the docs team at large has only recently built up again | 01:53 |
| knome | do we have any information on more people popping up? :) | 01:55 |
| slickymaster | and there's going to be some classrooms held to help those who want to contribute but fell that they don't have the skills to do it | 01:55 |
| knome | yeah, it's kind of unfortunate... | 01:56 |
| slickymaster | we're expecting Leigh | 01:56 |
| slickymaster | I PM her in the forums | 01:56 |
| knome | it's wiki because we want everybody to be able to edit it | 01:56 |
| knome | but some people are too afraid of messing up they can't get started | 01:56 |
| BlinkinCat | Seem quite a few are prepared to observe without contributing | 01:57 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, seems to be the issue. Hopefully the Doc Team's Wiki Day will help with that. | 01:58 |
| knome | that's the regular thing happening all over open source ;) | 01:58 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, how much are you involved with the wiki outside newdocs? | 01:58 |
| belkinsa | People scared to work on the wiki pages of projects? | 01:58 |
| knome | people scared to work on any wikipage | 01:59 |
| BlinkinCat | I fell I am lacking in skills | 01:59 |
| knome | even if they could add something useful | 01:59 |
| belkinsa | BlinkinCat, same but it seems that I found my main skills that i can use. | 01:59 |
| BlinkinCat | and knowledge | 02:00 |
| knome | we could run a session on editing the wiki, some Q&A session on that | 02:00 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, nobody knows everything :) | 02:00 |
| belkinsa | knome, is it the fear that they will mess up the page? | 02:00 |
| belkinsa | And the knowlege, aye. | 02:00 |
| knome | belkinsa, probably that, or that they make a fool of themself not having enough knowledge | 02:00 |
| knome | or are unsure of something | 02:00 |
| belkinsa | knome, the later part made me to think of someone. ;) | 02:01 |
| belkinsa | But what? That makes sense. | 02:01 |
| BlinkinCat | I found a very comfortable niche with NewDocs | 02:01 |
| belkinsa | I have too and the other teams that I part of. | 02:01 |
| knome | human nature to be afraid of not getting acceptance? | 02:01 |
| belkinsa | Maybe. | 02:01 |
| slickymaster | Basically what you in NewDocs applies to the rest BlinkinCat | 02:02 |
| BlinkinCat | Don't like making mistakes | 02:02 |
| knome | one thing where i think newdocs and the general wiki stuff somehow overlap already is tagging... | 02:02 |
| belkinsa | BlinkinCat, and I want to teach that everyone to find a niche in a project or a team. | 02:02 |
| slickymaster | BlinkinCat: every error made can be rollbacked | 02:02 |
| belkinsa | That's the power of MoinMoin Wiki. | 02:03 |
| BlinkinCat | It may take some time to be picked up | 02:03 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, i'm subscribed to all edits on the wiki | 02:04 |
| belkinsa | True, true. But we have admins that will be notiflied. | 02:04 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, and if you wish, you can be in touch with others and ask them to review as you go | 02:04 |
| belkinsa | knome is a wiki admin | 02:04 |
| BlinkinCat | I assume that belkinsa | 02:04 |
| slickymaster | I'm wondering if Leigh will actually be able to show up | 02:05 |
| knome | we can continue on this later | 02:06 |
| belkinsa | +1 | 02:06 |
| BlinkinCat | Ther is quite a lot of work to be done in NewDocs | 02:06 |
| knome | belkinsa, did you have some Q&A sessions for the wiki sprint day? | 02:06 |
| knome | +in mind | 02:06 |
| belkinsa | knome, maybe the fact that we have admins and the power of rollbacks should be stated somewhere on the wiki. | 02:06 |
| knome | we could run one on wiki editing to kick off the day | 02:06 |
| knome | and that kind of stuff | 02:07 |
| belkinsa | knome, as in the vUDS or when was that? | 02:07 |
| knome | no, on the wiki sprint day you're planning | 02:07 |
| belkinsa | Ah, that. Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 19 UTC. | 02:07 |
| knome | ah, great | 02:07 |
| belkinsa | s/19/1900 | 02:07 |
| jenni | belkinsa meant to say: Ah, that. Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 1900 UTC. | 02:07 |
| knome | which day was it again? | 02:07 |
| belkinsa | March 2nd, 2014 | 02:07 |
| knome | mmh, so sunday | 02:08 |
| belkinsa | Yup. | 02:08 |
| belkinsa | And I need to tell my boss that... | 02:08 |
| knome | okay, i'll try to be around for the lesson at least | 02:08 |
| knome | heh, good luck ;) | 02:08 |
| knome | so, | 02:08 |
| belkinsa | Thanks. | 02:08 |
| slickymaster | belkinsa: ^^ | 02:08 |
| knome | i think what's left is seeing what we need to do | 02:08 |
| slickymaster | break a leg | 02:08 |
| belkinsa | knome, agreed. | 02:09 |
| knome | i'll take the work item on getting the team pages integrated to the docteam banner | 02:09 |
| belkinsa | Alright. | 02:09 |
| knome | belkinsa, slickymaster: will you prepare the content to some extent? | 02:09 |
| knome | let's see how to settle that down in the wiki when it's ready | 02:09 |
| slickymaster | BlinkinCat: do you mind to go through with Leigh regarding this discussion? | 02:09 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 02:09 |
| BlinkinCat | What I remember | 02:10 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, i encourage you and others to join IRC more often :) | 02:10 |
| belkinsa | You can always grab the logs from the ubot5 or scrollback. | 02:10 |
| slickymaster | if you need any help, just ping me (or mail me) | 02:10 |
| belkinsa | Whatever the link is from ubot5. | 02:10 |
| knome | i know it can be a bit scary, but... :) | 02:10 |
| BlinkinCat | ubot5 ? | 02:11 |
| slickymaster | I'm always willing to help you BlinkinCat | 02:11 |
| knome | many of us are around quite often, so you should get a response pretty quickly | 02:11 |
| belkinsa | The logging bot, BlinkinCat. | 02:11 |
| belkinsa | Jenni is also another bot here. | 02:11 |
| belkinsa | ubuntulog2* I mean | 02:11 |
| slickymaster | I'll feed with the logs if you need them BlinkinCat | 02:11 |
| knome | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/%23ubuntu-newdocs.html | 02:11 |
| jenni | [ /srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/#ubuntu-newdocs.txt ] - https://j.mp/1dMtJzW | 02:11 |
| belkinsa | Thanks knome. | 02:11 |
| knome | that'll be updated periodically | 02:12 |
| slickymaster | knome: thanks for this | 02:13 |
| slickymaster | belkinsa: cy | 02:13 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, and seriously, if there's something you need from the team, don't be afraid to mail the ubuntu-doc mailing list, or asking #ubuntu-docs | 02:13 |
| belkinsa | Yes, thank you. | 02:13 |
| belkinsa | See ya slickymaster. | 02:13 |
| knome | ...that'd be #ubuntu-doc :P | 02:13 |
| belkinsa | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc | 02:13 |
| jenni | [ ubuntu-doc Info Page ] - https://j.mp/1dMu19P | 02:13 |
| belkinsa | Mailing-list ^^^ | 02:13 |
| knome | or you can also email me directly: pasi@shimmerproject.org | 02:13 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, maybe you can join the wiki sprint day :) | 02:14 |
| knome | i not else, as a lurker | 02:14 |
| BlinkinCat | I have forgotten how to log out | 02:14 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, just close the tab :) | 02:14 |
| knome | or winow | 02:14 |
| knome | ...window | 02:14 |
| slickymaster | BlinkinCat: besides that I'm always able to be reached either on the forum or in my email | 02:14 |
| * knome 's typing starts to fall apart | 02:14 | |
| belkinsa | Same here. | 02:14 |
| knome | yep. | 02:14 |
| slickymaster | I'll be up in about three and a half hours :P | 02:15 |
| BlinkinCat | IRC can achieve quite a lot | 02:15 |
| belkinsa | Yes, because it's real-time and you can pass things on faster. | 02:15 |
| knome | slickymaster, haha, good luck - i won't... | 02:16 |
| slickymaster | well guys, I really gotta get some sleep | 02:16 |
| knome | good night slickymaster! | 02:16 |
| slickymaster | cy tomorrow -> | 02:16 |
| belkinsa | See ya. | 02:16 |
| belkinsa | I need to go too, I have a test tomorrow. | 02:17 |
| BlinkinCat | Good night all | 02:17 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, night, and good luck :) | 02:17 |
| knome | BlinkinCat, nighty! :) | 02:17 |
| belkinsa | Night. | 02:17 |
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