[00:02] belkinsa: actually what happened is that I forgot to give you that link [00:02] I was planning to do it whena I gave the first one, but then it splitted my mind [00:02] sorry for that, my bad :P [00:03] It's cool. [00:04] Random question: Do you have a twiitter? [00:04] s/twiitter/Twitter [00:04] belkinsa meant to say: Random question: Do you have a Twitter? [00:04] nopes belkinsa, neither facebook [00:05] I'm not too much fond of social networking [00:05] Good choice. I only have Twitter and a blog that I run. [00:05] just g+ [01:24] Hi Team [01:25] BlinkinCat: were're on the other channel [01:25] are you here? [01:25] how do I log off of this one? [01:26] we'll came here [01:26] waits a sec [01:27] hey BlinkinCat [01:27] knome: the floor is yours [01:27] Hi knome [01:27] so basically, as i were helping out slickymaster and belkinsa with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Header, we came to discuss the need for a separate entity [01:28] eg. why don't we add the newdocs stuff under the main documentation team banner? [01:28] How would that work? [01:28] it is really part of that team, and there's even some overlap [01:29] in practice, all workflows and stuff could go as usually [01:29] just that there wouldn't be a separate irc channel, or a separate "newdocs team", just people who are members of the documentation team working on newdocs [01:30] currently, the doc team is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ [01:30] [ DocumentationTeam - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1dMltjv [01:30] I can't see why that wouldn't work [01:31] ultimately i can see that getting newdocs more contributors [01:31] because is shared, it's also more accessible for new contributors looking for what to do [01:31] and that's something newdocs is really lacking [01:31] It is a bit of a struggle neow [01:31] and information exchange between newdocs and the other wiki people should happen [01:33] i guess strictly speaking, as newdocs is currently defined, it should be relatively easy to run it technically half-automatically.. [01:33] ..referring to http://temp.knome.fi/docs/docs-popular.html [01:33] BlinkinCat, i assume you have seen that? [01:34] Yes [01:34] but anyway, i do understand there is a need to review pages manually and make sure they are of high quality [01:34] which is something the rest of the wiki contributors are trying to do [01:34] with tagging pages etc. [01:34] Hey there BlinkinCat. [01:34] Hey belkinsa [01:34] * belkinsa was in the shower. [01:35] what are your thoughts on all this BlinkinCat ? [01:35] so i guess what i'm trying to say: let's try to cooperate more, and let's try to make newdocs a little less of a separate team [01:35] I agree here. [01:35] i'm sure both parties will benefit [01:36] I am in agreement with progress [01:36] we're all paddling on the same boat [01:36] also, i have yet to get an answer for an important question... [01:36] where does the name "newdocs" come from? :) [01:36] lol [01:36] * belkinsa was wondering this too... [01:36] s/was/si [01:36] belkinsa si wondering this too... [01:36] BlinkinCatt is the one to explain it [01:36] s/si/is [01:37] i would think it would be better to rebrand that simply as "PopularPages" or something [01:37] I wish I could remember - maybe I will lol! [01:37] knome, +1 [01:37] (of course, redirect from NewDocs too) [01:37] +1 again [01:37] I think that Leigh ought to be heard on this though [01:38] Yes. [01:38] currently, as we all know, we're linking to NewDocs with this introduction: [01:38] Most popular pages [01:38] We have gathered an alphabetical list of the most popular pages in this wiki. [01:38] which pretty much says it all [01:38] Agreed, it does [01:39] since the "letters" aren't subpages, but A/ B/..., we just need to do one redirection [01:39] which is obviously a good thing:) [01:39] "Most Popular Pages " it is then [01:39] i also think we should consult the whole team though [01:40] As in Doc team or NewDocs? [01:40] Leigh was around a little while ago [01:40] it's not like the doc team is the superpower and feeds down other teams what they should do or be called [01:40] the NewDocs team [01:40] Ah. [01:40] i don't think there's any objections from the main team [01:43] i can help with merging the team-docs to the documentation team wiki, including the banner [01:43] Sure, why not. [01:43] and i'm also a wiki admin, so if you need such help, feel free to ping me [01:44] I've just PM Leigh in the forum so she join us here [01:44] Purrrrrrfect. [01:44] i will be back really shortly [01:44] I didn't saw she was online [01:44] I now feel like a small cog in a large wheel! [01:44] Good or bad thing? [01:45] NewDocs sure has grown - good [01:46] Right, but (sort of) merging with Doc Team. Good or bad thing? [01:47] That's progress so it has to be a good thing [01:47] Ah, I se.e [01:47] s/se.e/see [01:47] belkinsa meant to say: Ah, I see [01:47] I love you, jenni. [01:48] it's like a baby that grew up and is now becaming independent [01:48] Lol, but yeah, [01:48] for what it's worth, i think ~newdocs in launchpad can continue as always (assuming there is need for that group) and be made a member of ~ubuntu-doc [01:48] out of its fathers guardianship [01:48] i'm not *completely sure* of that [01:48] it already is knome [01:49] I believe it is already, knome. [01:49] it is? [01:49] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/+members#active [01:49] yeaps [01:49] nope [01:49] [ Members : “Ubuntu Documentation Project Team” team ] - https://j.mp/1dMpbcV [01:49] Subteam of [01:49] “NewDocs” is a member of these teams: [01:49] Ubuntu Documentation Contributors [01:49] Ubuntu Documentation Project Team [01:49] ah, via ~ubuntu-doc-contributors [01:49] yep [01:49] that's cool [01:50] one more intermission, will switch from desktop to laptop:) [01:52] Just want to say at this rebirth of NewDocs that I am proud that it developed from such a simple idea! [01:52] definitely [01:53] it's great to see that there is still projects where people want to contribute... [01:53] the docs team at large has only recently built up again [01:55] do we have any information on more people popping up? :) [01:55] and there's going to be some classrooms held to help those who want to contribute but fell that they don't have the skills to do it [01:56] yeah, it's kind of unfortunate... [01:56] we're expecting Leigh [01:56] I PM her in the forums [01:56] it's wiki because we want everybody to be able to edit it [01:56] but some people are too afraid of messing up they can't get started [01:57] Seem quite a few are prepared to observe without contributing [01:58] Yeah, seems to be the issue. Hopefully the Doc Team's Wiki Day will help with that. [01:58] that's the regular thing happening all over open source ;) [01:58] BlinkinCat, how much are you involved with the wiki outside newdocs? [01:58] People scared to work on the wiki pages of projects? [01:59] people scared to work on any wikipage [01:59] I fell I am lacking in skills [01:59] even if they could add something useful [01:59] BlinkinCat, same but it seems that I found my main skills that i can use. [02:00] and knowledge [02:00] we could run a session on editing the wiki, some Q&A session on that [02:00] BlinkinCat, nobody knows everything :) [02:00] knome, is it the fear that they will mess up the page? [02:00] And the knowlege, aye. [02:00] belkinsa, probably that, or that they make a fool of themself not having enough knowledge [02:00] or are unsure of something [02:01] knome, the later part made me to think of someone. ;) [02:01] But what? That makes sense. [02:01] I found a very comfortable niche with NewDocs [02:01] I have too and the other teams that I part of. [02:01] human nature to be afraid of not getting acceptance? [02:01] Maybe. [02:02] Basically what you in NewDocs applies to the rest BlinkinCat [02:02] Don't like making mistakes [02:02] one thing where i think newdocs and the general wiki stuff somehow overlap already is tagging... [02:02] BlinkinCat, and I want to teach that everyone to find a niche in a project or a team. [02:02] BlinkinCat: every error made can be rollbacked [02:03] That's the power of MoinMoin Wiki. [02:03] It may take some time to be picked up [02:04] BlinkinCat, i'm subscribed to all edits on the wiki [02:04] True, true. But we have admins that will be notiflied. [02:04] BlinkinCat, and if you wish, you can be in touch with others and ask them to review as you go [02:04] knome is a wiki admin [02:04] I assume that belkinsa [02:05] I'm wondering if Leigh will actually be able to show up [02:06] we can continue on this later [02:06] +1 [02:06] Ther is quite a lot of work to be done in NewDocs [02:06] belkinsa, did you have some Q&A sessions for the wiki sprint day? [02:06] +in mind [02:06] knome, maybe the fact that we have admins and the power of rollbacks should be stated somewhere on the wiki. [02:06] we could run one on wiki editing to kick off the day [02:07] and that kind of stuff [02:07] knome, as in the vUDS or when was that? [02:07] no, on the wiki sprint day you're planning [02:07] Ah, that. Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 19 UTC. [02:07] ah, great [02:07] s/19/1900 [02:07] belkinsa meant to say: Ah, that. Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 1900 UTC. [02:07] which day was it again? [02:07] March 2nd, 2014 [02:08] mmh, so sunday [02:08] Yup. [02:08] And I need to tell my boss that... [02:08] okay, i'll try to be around for the lesson at least [02:08] heh, good luck ;) [02:08] so, [02:08] Thanks. [02:08] belkinsa: ^^ [02:08] i think what's left is seeing what we need to do [02:08] break a leg [02:09] knome, agreed. [02:09] i'll take the work item on getting the team pages integrated to the docteam banner [02:09] Alright. [02:09] belkinsa, slickymaster: will you prepare the content to some extent? [02:09] let's see how to settle that down in the wiki when it's ready [02:09] BlinkinCat: do you mind to go through with Leigh regarding this discussion? [02:09] Sure. [02:10] What I remember [02:10] BlinkinCat, i encourage you and others to join IRC more often :) [02:10] You can always grab the logs from the ubot5 or scrollback. [02:10] if you need any help, just ping me (or mail me) [02:10] Whatever the link is from ubot5. [02:10] i know it can be a bit scary, but... :) [02:11] ubot5 ? [02:11] I'm always willing to help you BlinkinCat [02:11] many of us are around quite often, so you should get a response pretty quickly [02:11] The logging bot, BlinkinCat. [02:11] Jenni is also another bot here. [02:11] ubuntulog2* I mean [02:11] I'll feed with the logs if you need them BlinkinCat [02:11] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/%23ubuntu-newdocs.html [02:11] [ /srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/#ubuntu-newdocs.txt ] - https://j.mp/1dMtJzW [02:11] Thanks knome. [02:12] that'll be updated periodically [02:13] knome: thanks for this [02:13] belkinsa: cy [02:13] BlinkinCat, and seriously, if there's something you need from the team, don't be afraid to mail the ubuntu-doc mailing list, or asking #ubuntu-docs [02:13] Yes, thank you. [02:13] See ya slickymaster. [02:13] ...that'd be #ubuntu-doc :P [02:13] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc [02:13] [ ubuntu-doc Info Page ] - https://j.mp/1dMu19P [02:13] Mailing-list ^^^ [02:13] or you can also email me directly: pasi@shimmerproject.org [02:14] BlinkinCat, maybe you can join the wiki sprint day :) [02:14] i not else, as a lurker [02:14] I have forgotten how to log out [02:14] BlinkinCat, just close the tab :) [02:14] or winow [02:14] ...window [02:14] BlinkinCat: besides that I'm always able to be reached either on the forum or in my email [02:14] * knome 's typing starts to fall apart [02:14] Same here. [02:14] yep. [02:15] I'll be up in about three and a half hours :P [02:15] IRC can achieve quite a lot [02:15] Yes, because it's real-time and you can pass things on faster. [02:16] slickymaster, haha, good luck - i won't... [02:16] well guys, I really gotta get some sleep [02:16] good night slickymaster! [02:16] cy tomorrow -> [02:16] See ya. [02:17] I need to go too, I have a test tomorrow. [02:17] Good night all [02:17] BlinkinCat, night, and good luck :) [02:17] BlinkinCat, nighty! :) [02:17] Night.