[00:02] <slickymaster> belkinsa: actually what happened is that I forgot to give you that link
[00:02] <slickymaster> I was planning to do it whena I gave the first one, but then it splitted my mind
[00:02] <slickymaster> sorry for that, my bad :P
[00:03] <belkinsa> It's cool.
[00:04] <belkinsa> Random question: Do you have a twiitter?
[00:04] <belkinsa> s/twiitter/Twitter
[00:04] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Random question: Do you have a Twitter?
[00:04] <slickymaster> nopes belkinsa, neither facebook
[00:05] <slickymaster> I'm not too much fond of social networking
[00:05] <belkinsa> Good choice.  I only have Twitter and a blog that I run.
[00:05] <slickymaster> just g+
[01:24] <BlinkinCat> Hi Team
[01:25] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat: were're on the other channel
[01:25] <slickymaster> are you here?
[01:25] <BlinkinCat> how do I log off of this one?
[01:26] <slickymaster> we'll came here
[01:26] <slickymaster> waits a sec
[01:27] <knome> hey BlinkinCat
[01:27] <slickymaster> knome: the floor is yours
[01:27] <BlinkinCat> Hi knome
[01:27] <knome> so basically, as i were helping out slickymaster and belkinsa with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Header, we came to discuss the need for a separate entity
[01:28] <knome> eg. why don't we add the newdocs stuff under the main documentation team banner?
[01:28] <BlinkinCat> How would that work?
[01:28] <knome> it is really part of that team, and there's even some overlap
[01:29] <knome> in practice, all workflows and stuff could go as usually
[01:29] <knome> just that there wouldn't be a separate irc channel, or a separate "newdocs team", just people who are members of the documentation team working on newdocs
[01:30] <knome> currently, the doc team is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/
[01:30] <jenni> [ DocumentationTeam - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1dMltjv
[01:30] <BlinkinCat> I can't see why that wouldn't work
[01:31] <knome> ultimately i can see that getting newdocs more contributors
[01:31] <knome> because is shared, it's also more accessible for new contributors looking for what to do
[01:31] <slickymaster> and that's something newdocs is really lacking
[01:31] <BlinkinCat> It is a bit of a struggle neow
[01:31] <knome> and information exchange between newdocs and the other wiki people should happen
[01:33] <knome> i guess strictly speaking, as newdocs is currently defined, it should be relatively easy to run it technically half-automatically..
[01:33] <knome> ..referring to http://temp.knome.fi/docs/docs-popular.html
[01:33] <knome> BlinkinCat, i assume you have seen that?
[01:34] <BlinkinCat> Yes
[01:34] <knome> but anyway, i do understand there is a need to review pages manually and make sure they are of high quality
[01:34] <knome> which is something the rest of the wiki contributors are trying to do
[01:34] <knome> with tagging pages etc.
[01:34] <belkinsa> Hey there BlinkinCat.
[01:34] <BlinkinCat> Hey belkinsa
[01:34]  * belkinsa was in the shower.
[01:35] <slickymaster> what are your thoughts on all this BlinkinCat ?
[01:35] <knome> so i guess what i'm trying to say: let's try to cooperate more, and let's try to make newdocs a little less of a separate team
[01:35] <belkinsa> I agree here.
[01:35] <knome> i'm sure both parties will benefit
[01:36] <BlinkinCat> I am in agreement with progress
[01:36] <slickymaster> we're all paddling on the same boat
[01:36] <knome> also, i have yet to get an answer for an important question...
[01:36] <knome> where does the name "newdocs" come from? :)
[01:36] <slickymaster> lol
[01:36]  * belkinsa was wondering this too...
[01:36] <belkinsa> s/was/si
[01:36] <jenni> belkinsa si wondering this too...
[01:36] <slickymaster> BlinkinCatt is the one to explain it
[01:36] <belkinsa> s/si/is
[01:37] <knome> i would think it would be better to rebrand that simply as "PopularPages" or something
[01:37] <BlinkinCat> I wish I could remember - maybe I will lol!
[01:37] <belkinsa> knome, +1
[01:37] <knome> (of course, redirect from NewDocs too)
[01:37] <belkinsa> +1 again
[01:37] <slickymaster> I think that Leigh ought to be heard on this though
[01:38] <belkinsa> Yes.
[01:38] <knome> currently, as we all know, we're linking to NewDocs with this introduction:
[01:38] <knome> Most popular pages
[01:38] <knome> We have gathered an alphabetical list of the most popular pages in this wiki.
[01:38] <knome> which pretty much says it all
[01:38] <belkinsa> Agreed, it does
[01:39] <knome> since the "letters" aren't subpages, but A/ B/..., we just need to do one redirection
[01:39] <knome> which is obviously a good thing:)
[01:39] <BlinkinCat> "Most Popular Pages " it is then
[01:39] <knome> i also think we should consult the whole team though
[01:40] <belkinsa> As in Doc team or NewDocs?
[01:40] <BlinkinCat> Leigh was around a little while ago
[01:40] <knome> it's not like the doc team is the superpower and feeds down other teams what they should do or be called
[01:40] <knome> the NewDocs team
[01:40] <belkinsa> Ah.
[01:40] <knome> i don't think there's any objections from the main team
[01:43] <knome> i can help with merging the team-docs to the documentation team wiki, including the banner
[01:43] <belkinsa> Sure, why not.
[01:43] <knome> and i'm also a wiki admin, so if you need such help, feel free to ping me
[01:44] <slickymaster> I've just PM Leigh in the forum so she join us here
[01:44] <belkinsa> Purrrrrrfect.
[01:44] <knome> i will be back really shortly
[01:44] <slickymaster> I didn't saw she was online
[01:44] <BlinkinCat> I now feel like a small cog in a large wheel!
[01:44] <belkinsa> Good or bad thing?
[01:45] <BlinkinCat> NewDocs sure has grown - good
[01:46] <belkinsa> Right, but (sort of) merging with Doc Team.  Good or bad thing?
[01:47] <BlinkinCat> That's progress so it has to be a good thing
[01:47] <belkinsa> Ah, I se.e
[01:47] <belkinsa> s/se.e/see
[01:47] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Ah, I see
[01:47] <belkinsa> I love you, jenni.
[01:48] <slickymaster> it's like a baby that grew up and is now becaming independent
[01:48] <belkinsa> Lol, but yeah,
[01:48] <knome> for what it's worth, i think ~newdocs in launchpad can continue as always (assuming there is need for that group) and be made a member of ~ubuntu-doc
[01:48] <slickymaster> out of its fathers guardianship
[01:48] <knome> i'm not *completely sure* of that
[01:48] <slickymaster> it already is knome
[01:49] <belkinsa> I believe it is already, knome.
[01:49] <knome> it is?
[01:49] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc/+members#active
[01:49] <slickymaster> yeaps
[01:49] <knome> nope
[01:49] <jenni> [ Members : “Ubuntu Documentation Project Team” team ] - https://j.mp/1dMpbcV
[01:49] <belkinsa> Subteam of
[01:49] <belkinsa> “NewDocs” is a member of these teams:
[01:49] <belkinsa>     Ubuntu Documentation Contributors
[01:49] <belkinsa>     Ubuntu Documentation Project Team
[01:49] <knome> ah, via ~ubuntu-doc-contributors
[01:49] <knome> yep
[01:49] <knome> that's cool
[01:50] <knome> one more intermission, will switch from desktop to laptop:)
[01:52] <BlinkinCat> Just want to say at this rebirth of NewDocs that I am proud that it developed from such a simple idea!
[01:52] <knome> definitely
[01:53] <knome> it's great to see that there is still projects where people want to contribute...
[01:53] <knome> the docs team at large has only recently built up again
[01:55] <knome> do we have any information on more people popping up? :)
[01:55] <slickymaster> and there's going to be some classrooms held to help those who want to contribute but fell that they don't have the skills to do it
[01:56] <knome> yeah, it's kind of unfortunate...
[01:56] <slickymaster> we're expecting Leigh
[01:56] <slickymaster> I PM her in the forums
[01:56] <knome> it's wiki because we want everybody to be able to edit it
[01:56] <knome> but some people are too afraid of messing up they can't get started
[01:57] <BlinkinCat> Seem quite a few are prepared to observe without contributing
[01:58] <belkinsa> Yeah, seems to be the issue.  Hopefully the Doc Team's Wiki Day will help with that.
[01:58] <knome> that's the regular thing happening all over open source ;)
[01:58] <knome> BlinkinCat, how much are you involved with the wiki outside newdocs?
[01:58] <belkinsa> People scared to work on the wiki pages of projects?
[01:59] <knome> people scared to work on any wikipage
[01:59] <BlinkinCat> I fell I am lacking in skills
[01:59] <knome> even if they could add something useful
[01:59] <belkinsa> BlinkinCat, same but it seems that I found my main skills that i can use.
[02:00] <BlinkinCat> and knowledge
[02:00] <knome> we could run a session on editing the wiki, some Q&A session on that
[02:00] <knome> BlinkinCat, nobody knows everything :)
[02:00] <belkinsa> knome, is it the fear that they will mess up the page?
[02:00] <belkinsa> And the knowlege, aye.
[02:00] <knome> belkinsa, probably that, or that they make a fool of themself not having enough knowledge
[02:00] <knome> or are unsure of something
[02:01] <belkinsa> knome, the later part made me to think of someone.  ;)
[02:01] <belkinsa> But what?  That makes sense.
[02:01] <BlinkinCat> I found a very comfortable niche with NewDocs
[02:01] <belkinsa> I have too and the other teams that I part of.
[02:01] <knome> human nature to be afraid of not getting acceptance?
[02:01] <belkinsa> Maybe.
[02:02] <slickymaster> Basically what you in NewDocs applies to the rest BlinkinCat
[02:02] <BlinkinCat> Don't like making mistakes
[02:02] <knome> one thing where i think newdocs and the general wiki stuff somehow overlap already is tagging...
[02:02] <belkinsa> BlinkinCat, and I want to teach that everyone to find a niche in a project or a team.
[02:02] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat: every error made can be rollbacked
[02:03] <belkinsa> That's the power of MoinMoin Wiki.
[02:03] <BlinkinCat> It may take some time to be picked up
[02:04] <knome> BlinkinCat, i'm subscribed to all edits on the wiki
[02:04] <belkinsa> True, true.  But we have admins that will be notiflied.
[02:04] <knome> BlinkinCat, and if you wish, you can be in touch with others and ask them to review as you go
[02:04] <belkinsa> knome is a wiki admin
[02:04] <BlinkinCat> I assume that belkinsa
[02:05] <slickymaster> I'm wondering if Leigh will actually be able to show up
[02:06] <knome> we can continue on this later
[02:06] <belkinsa> +1
[02:06] <BlinkinCat> Ther is quite a lot of work to be done in NewDocs
[02:06] <knome> belkinsa, did you have some Q&A sessions for the wiki sprint day?
[02:06] <knome> +in mind
[02:06] <belkinsa> knome, maybe the fact that we have admins and the power of rollbacks should be stated somewhere on the wiki.
[02:06] <knome> we could run one on wiki editing to kick off the day
[02:07] <knome> and that kind of stuff
[02:07] <belkinsa> knome, as in the vUDS or when was that?
[02:07] <knome> no, on the wiki sprint day you're planning
[02:07] <belkinsa> Ah, that.  Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 19 UTC.
[02:07] <knome> ah, great
[02:07] <belkinsa> s/19/1900
[02:07] <jenni> belkinsa meant to say: Ah, that.  Yes, I'm doing the lesson on wiki editing at 1900 UTC.
[02:07] <knome> which day was it again?
[02:07] <belkinsa> March 2nd, 2014
[02:08] <knome> mmh, so sunday
[02:08] <belkinsa> Yup.
[02:08] <belkinsa> And I need to tell my boss that...
[02:08] <knome> okay, i'll try to be around for the lesson at least
[02:08] <knome> heh, good luck ;)
[02:08] <knome> so,
[02:08] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[02:08] <slickymaster> belkinsa: ^^
[02:08] <knome> i think what's left is seeing what we need to do
[02:08] <slickymaster> break a leg
[02:09] <belkinsa> knome, agreed.
[02:09] <knome> i'll take the work item on getting the team pages integrated to the docteam banner
[02:09] <belkinsa> Alright.
[02:09] <knome> belkinsa, slickymaster: will you prepare the content to some extent?
[02:09] <knome> let's see how to settle that down in the wiki when it's ready
[02:09] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat: do you mind to go through with Leigh regarding this discussion?
[02:09] <belkinsa> Sure.
[02:10] <BlinkinCat> What I remember
[02:10] <knome> BlinkinCat, i encourage you and others to join IRC more often :)
[02:10] <belkinsa> You can always grab the logs from the ubot5 or scrollback.
[02:10] <slickymaster> if you need any help, just ping me (or mail me)
[02:10] <belkinsa> Whatever the link is from ubot5.
[02:10] <knome> i know it can be a bit scary, but... :)
[02:11] <BlinkinCat> ubot5 ?
[02:11] <slickymaster> I'm always willing to help you BlinkinCat
[02:11] <knome> many of us are around quite often, so you should get a response pretty quickly
[02:11] <belkinsa> The logging bot, BlinkinCat.
[02:11] <belkinsa> Jenni is also another bot here.
[02:11] <belkinsa> ubuntulog2* I mean
[02:11] <slickymaster> I'll feed with the logs if you need them BlinkinCat
[02:11] <knome> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/%23ubuntu-newdocs.html
[02:11] <jenni> [ /srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/14/#ubuntu-newdocs.txt ] - https://j.mp/1dMtJzW
[02:11] <belkinsa> Thanks knome.
[02:12] <knome> that'll be updated periodically
[02:13] <slickymaster> knome: thanks for this
[02:13] <slickymaster> belkinsa: cy
[02:13] <knome> BlinkinCat, and seriously, if there's something you need from the team, don't be afraid to mail the ubuntu-doc mailing list, or asking #ubuntu-docs
[02:13] <belkinsa> Yes, thank you.
[02:13] <belkinsa> See ya slickymaster.
[02:13] <knome> ...that'd be #ubuntu-doc :P
[02:13] <belkinsa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[02:13] <jenni> [ ubuntu-doc Info Page ] - https://j.mp/1dMu19P
[02:13] <belkinsa> Mailing-list ^^^
[02:13] <knome> or you can also email me directly: pasi@shimmerproject.org
[02:14] <knome> BlinkinCat, maybe you can join the wiki sprint day :)
[02:14] <knome> i not else, as a lurker
[02:14] <BlinkinCat> I have forgotten how to log out
[02:14] <knome> BlinkinCat, just close the tab :)
[02:14] <knome> or winow
[02:14] <knome> ...window
[02:14] <slickymaster> BlinkinCat: besides that I'm always able to be reached either on the forum or in my email
[02:14]  * knome 's typing starts to fall apart
[02:14] <belkinsa> Same here.
[02:14] <knome> yep.
[02:15] <slickymaster> I'll be up in about three and a half hours :P
[02:15] <BlinkinCat> IRC can achieve quite a lot
[02:15] <belkinsa> Yes, because it's real-time and you can pass things on faster.
[02:16] <knome> slickymaster, haha, good luck - i won't...
[02:16] <slickymaster> well guys, I really gotta get some sleep
[02:16] <knome> good night slickymaster!
[02:16] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow ->
[02:16] <belkinsa> See ya.
[02:17] <belkinsa> I need to go too, I have a test tomorrow.
[02:17] <BlinkinCat> Good night all
[02:17] <knome> BlinkinCat, night, and good luck :)
[02:17] <knome> BlinkinCat, nighty! :)
[02:17] <belkinsa> Night.