[00:32] <Greekboy> hi
[00:47] <Jordan_U> Greekboy: Hi. What's up?
[00:53] <Greekboy> hi
[00:55] <IdleOne> hfsplus please stop wasting our time. Move along now.
[01:00] <Greekboy> !ops
[01:00] <Greekboy> i need sex!
[11:11] <dicklicker> !ops
[13:46] <JohnCalvin> hi
[13:46] <hggdh> JohnCalvin: hello
[13:47] <JohnCalvin> =)
[13:54] <JohnCalvin> Is JUSTIN BIEBER THE BREAD THAT CAME FROM HEAVEN?
[14:59] <Pici> IdleOne: your buddy is making trouble in #u
[15:01] <cantstanya> Pici: I already mentioned that he needs to be condemned for being a terrible operator, but nothing is done. What's the point of asking to be unbanned if the administration is just as corrupt.
[15:02] <Pici> cantstanya: Did you follow our appeals process? I didn't see anything direction to the IRC Council.
[15:03] <cantstanya> I just came here and mentioned that IdleOne should be charged with abuse
[15:04] <cantstanya> asking for anything else is fruitless if the status quo remains the same
[15:04] <cantstanya> ikonia said it was noted and I left, obviously a bureaucratic measure.
[15:07] <ikonia> cantstanya: grow up
[15:07] <ikonia> "charged with abuse"
[15:08] <cantstanya> Huh?
[15:08] <ikonia> you do realise this is an IRC community, not NATO high court
[15:08] <cantstanya> so?
[15:08] <ikonia> "charged with abuse" - what and put to death ?
[15:08] <cantstanya> No and be stripped of his operator access, obviously.
[15:09] <jbroome> Obviously.
[15:09] <ikonia> why ?
[15:09] <cantstanya> are you new to IRC? This kind of thing is common.
[15:09] <ikonia> why should that happen
[15:09] <ikonia> cantstanya: I'm not new to IRC or this team, and it's not a common thing
[15:09] <cantstanya> ikonia: why? are you serious? because he's abusing said ability.
[15:09] <ikonia> how ?
[15:09] <ikonia> one event with you - that you feel was wrong
[15:10] <ikonia> and thats "abuse"
[15:10] <cantstanya> was that not clear by the very quote you just took
[15:10] <ikonia> cantstanya: you are known to our team - you are logged in our channel as being banned many times by many members of the team
[15:10] <ikonia> there is more evidence that you are a problem and should be "charged with abuse of the channels"
[15:10] <cantstanya> I haven't been banned many times from -offtopic.
[15:10] <ikonia> so why don't you deal with your own behaviour, learn how to use the channels, or go away
[15:11] <ikonia> you are a problem
[15:11] <cantstanya> more bureaucracy
[15:11] <ikonia> cantstanya: you have been banned from #ubuntu
[15:11] <ikonia> many times
[15:11] <ikonia> you are known to us
[15:11] <cantstanya> that's irrelevant.
[15:11] <ikonia> so either a.) deal with your behaviour and use the channels normally b.) go somewhere else
[15:11] <ikonia> rather than this stupid crusiade which well get you no-where but more lack of credability
[15:11] <ikonia> your choice.
[15:12] <cantstanya> if you want users to treat said channels mutually exclusive, then treat them as so yourself.
[15:12] <ikonia> I have no idea what you just said
[15:12] <cantstanya> which, no you're not doing at the moment.
[15:12] <ikonia> you have been removed from #ubuntu-offtopic by 3 different people
[15:12] <ikonia> you have history in #ubuntu -
[15:12] <ikonia> you are not a good user
[15:12] <ikonia> fix that - or go away
[15:12] <ikonia> simple choice
[15:12] <cantstanya> I was banned once.
[15:13] <ikonia> you have 3 marks against you in #ubuntu-offtopic by 3 different people
[15:13] <ikonia> so again "deal with it and change, or go somewhere else"
[15:13] <ikonia> rather than this pointles crusade over one incident
[15:13] <cantstanya> I was only banned once. Neither of the other things are remotely relevant
[15:14] <ikonia> please read what I said
[15:14] <cantstanya> I am.
[15:14] <cantstanya> And refuting it.
[15:14] <ikonia> you have 3 marks against you from 3 different operators
[15:14] <ikonia> saying "problem user"
[15:14] <cantstanya> and one of them is via the problem operator I bet right
[15:14] <ikonia> you ALSO have multiple bans in #ubuntu
[15:14] <ikonia> so your credability is not good
[15:14] <cantstanya> again, not mutually exclusive.
[15:15] <ikonia> this is going no-where, what do you want to happen
[15:15] <ikonia> clearly
[15:15] <cantstanya> IdleOne to be stripped of his powers for the good of the community
[15:15] <ikonia> ok, so that's not going to happen
[15:15] <ikonia> the worst that will happen is we'll discuss it and suggest he's wrong and he'll learn fro it
[15:15] <ikonia> from
[15:15] <ikonia> so what else do you want
[15:16] <cantstanya> this is just more bureaucracy
[15:16] <ikonia> ok, so then /part
[15:16] <ikonia> or state what you want that can actually be achieved
[15:17] <cantstanya> feel free to remove me, I'm engaging in civil disobedience to protest such bureaucratic disgusting behavior
[15:17] <Pici> ok then
[15:18] <IdleOne> for the record. I was not wrong.
[15:18] <jpds> That was easy.
[15:18] <ikonia> IdleOne: I know you where not
[15:18] <jpds> were*
[15:18] <IdleOne> :)
[15:18] <ikonia> hence why it's pointless to protend it's even going to be discussed
[15:18] <ikonia> may as well tell him the truth
[15:18] <ikonia> pretend
[15:20] <IdleOne> thank you for handling that btw :)
[15:20] <Pici> thank you as well, I got called away to do work things.
[15:21] <ikonia> not a problem of course
[15:55] <jpds> Guys, nikolam.
[15:55] <ikonia> ?
[15:55] <ikonia> whats up, not been following
[15:57] <LjL-Calvino> that fellow made no sense because there is no way one could argue this team has a problem with excessive bureaucracy
[15:58] <Pici> LjL-Calvino: I'm not sure what you mean, can you fill out this form and send it back to us.
[15:59] <LjL-Calvino> Pici: which one, the 406A or the 406AA? also, is the right place to send it ubuntu-irc-406-form-inbox@ubuntu.com or ubuntu-irc-40x-form-redirection@ubuntu.com?
[15:59] <LjL-Calvino> perhaps i should inquire about this to ubuntu-irc-form-sending-support@ubuntu.com
[16:00] <jpds> ikonia: Just seems to be speaking a load of untruths because of his ignorance.
[16:00] <ikonia> totallly, I see it now
[16:00] <ikonia> didn't see it earlier as I wasn't watching
[16:05] <genii> Hm.
[16:47] <fudge2> hi
[16:47] <fudge2> zing
[16:48] <phunyguy> hi
[16:48] <fudge2> that was cool
[16:48] <fudge2> usually it comes after :)
[16:48] <phunyguy> fudge2: how can we help you?
[16:48] <fudge2> * You have left channel #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by phunyguy (fudge2 ))
[16:48] <phunyguy> yes.  You were ban evading.
[16:49] <phunyguy> you are cowtoe, are you not?
[16:49] <fudge2> you're a ban evading
[16:49] <fudge2> no i am fudge2
[16:49] <phunyguy> [11:47:01] <phunyguy> oh hello fudge2 (cowtoe)
[16:49] <phunyguy> [11:47:06] <fudge2> o:
[16:49] <phunyguy> [11:47:17] <fudge2> how did u
[16:49] <fudge2> pfffsht
[16:49] <fudge2> hearsay!
[16:49] <phunyguy> I think it is pretty obvious.
[16:50] <fudge2> you're stmart
[16:50] <phunyguy> Please come back in a week, and I will discuss removing your ban.  If you evade between now and then, it will get longer.
[16:50] <fudge2> smart
[16:50] <fudge2> too smart perhaps
[16:50] <fudge2> :>
[16:51] <fudge2> what's your IQ phunyguy
[16:51] <phunyguy> do you have any other serious business for us?
[16:51] <phunyguy> if not, please kindly /part the channel.
[17:10] <JohnCalvin> hi
[17:10] <phunyguy> I need food.
[17:10] <phunyguy> brb
[17:10] <phunyguy> wrong channel ><
[17:18] <genii> JohnCalvin seems like a bot
[17:18] <JohnCalvin> no
[17:18] <genii> Hm.
[17:18] <hggdh> it is a bot, it fails Turing's test
[17:19] <genii> JohnCalvin: Why are you repeating silly questions over and over in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:19] <IdleOne> hfsplus please stop wasting our time. Move along now.
[17:19] <JohnCalvin> is idleone the bread that came down from heaven?
[17:20] <jussi> yes, he most certainly is :P
[17:21] <genii> jussi: Hehehe
[17:22] <genii> I have to go grab my lunch, if he's in there before I return and no ops, I'll get it first thing when I get back
[17:25] <Cydrobolt> Hello
[17:25] <Cydrobolt> Anyone alive?
[17:26] <Pici> Sure
[17:26] <Cydrobolt> Do you know "zsw"?
[17:27] <IdleOne> yes
[17:28] <Cydrobolt> He keeps coming into a channel I'm in and asking me Ubuntu questions, ban evading questions, etc.
[17:28] <genii> Cydrobolt: Which channel?
[17:28] <Cydrobolt> Can someone update me on why he's banned on Kali Linux =p (I can probably guess, haha)
[17:28] <Cydrobolt> ##Computer-Help-Chat , genii
[17:29] <Pici> well, he was coming into #ubuntu asking about kali, which we don't support.
[17:29] <genii> Ah, OK. I'm unfamiliar with that one
[17:29] <Cydrobolt> I want to direct him to ubuntu channels, but he's banned
[17:29] <Pici> we have no control over the kali channels
[17:29] <genii> Cydrobolt: Direct him to the forums ;)
[17:29] <Cydrobolt> Nevermind!
[17:29] <Cydrobolt> :)
[17:30] <Cydrobolt> I didn't see that it was the Kali channels
[17:30] <Cydrobolt> that troublemaker , hehe, :P
[17:30] <Cydrobolt> Thanks, genii
[17:44] <knome> so for the record, zsw_ = zack_
[17:44] <IdleOne> @mark #kubuntu zsw_ (~zsw@2001:558:6025:11:40b1:a82e:82c4:5c2d) aka zack joined to "flip me the bird"
[17:45] <knome> good work resolving the bans :)
[17:55] <genii> Whats with @mark ? I've seen it used a few times now but never used it myself. I generally just @comment for specific ban
[17:55] <IdleOne> genii: @mark puts a comment in the bantracker for $user in $channel
[17:56] <genii> Interesting.
[17:56] <IdleOne> so I didn't set a ban on zsw_ but I added a comment that will show up in a search
[17:56] <genii> IdleOne: Cool, thanks for the explanation.
[17:56] <IdleOne> sure thing. btw if you don't specify a channel it defaults to current channel
[17:57] <zsw_> i got banned
[17:58] <IdleOne> probably for giving someone the finger
[17:58] <zsw_> yea
[17:59] <IdleOne> How are you today zack?
[17:59] <zsw_> holeable
[17:59] <zsw_> lol
[18:00] <zsw_> no but really bad
[18:00] <IdleOne> why is that?
[18:00] <zsw_> many reasons
[18:00] <IdleOne> I'm here for you if you fell like talking about some of them
[18:00] <zsw_> why do you ask?
[18:01] <zsw_> im sorry ok
[18:01] <IdleOne> I like getting to know our users
[18:02] <zsw_> can we resolve my ban so i can do somthing i kinda like on this unholy day?
[18:02] <IdleOne> I think so far we have had a rough start. I was hoping to maybe talk to you on a "human" level and see if maybe I could help
[18:02] <zsw_> ok that soundds fine
[18:02] <IdleOne> We can try
[18:02] <zsw_> ok where do we start
[18:02] <IdleOne> so which channel are we talking about precisely?
[18:03] <zsw_> #ubuntu and hopefuly #kali-linux
[18:03] <IdleOne> I can help you with #ubuntu. #kali-linux I have no control over and you will have to talk to them about the ban
[18:03] <zsw_> ok so ubuntu it is
[18:04] <IdleOne> You do understand that #ubuntu does not do support for kali, right?
[18:04] <zsw_> yea
[18:04] <IdleOne> alright.
[18:05] <zsw_> ok lets get started
[18:05] <IdleOne> So here is the thing. In the ubuntu channels we have some guidelines (rules) that we ask everybody to follow. I need you to read the guidelines and make sure you understand them AND agree to follow them. Can you do that?
[18:05] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[18:05] <zsw_> i agree
[18:05] <IdleOne> have you read them?
[18:06] <zsw_> a few times
[18:06] <IdleOne> So you understand that any infraction of the guidelines will result in a ban?
[18:07] <zsw_> yep
[18:07] <zsw_> im banned
[18:07] <IdleOne> You also understand that any future ban that may result from any future infractions will last much longer then this current ban?
[18:07] <zsw_> yes
[18:08] <zsw_> i have a question
[18:08] <IdleOne> go ahead
[18:10] <IdleOne> oh, you may also want to read the code of conduct so you can try and understand what being part of the ubuntu community is about
[18:10] <IdleOne> !coc
[18:10] <zsw_> im sick of having to kiss someone ass allay to understand the basic stuff he tryed to explain to me.
[18:10] <SallyStruthers> hi
[18:11] <zsw_> im sorry but its the truth
[18:12] <IdleOne> I'm not asking you to kiss anything. I am asking you to behave in a manner that is productive and helpful to the whole community.
[18:12] <zsw_> but if i displease an ops he bans me for no reason
[18:12] <genii> SallyStruthers: Hello, is there some issue you require help with?
[18:12] <IdleOne> Ubuntu ops don't ban for no reason
[18:12] <zsw_> and i want to change my os btw
[18:13] <phunyguy> zsw_: just a word of advice, if an op is trying to steer you in a different direction because of how you are behaving, it would help to not take it so personally.
[18:13]  * genii wanders back to work
[18:13] <IdleOne> I think it is best to try and put any old bad feelings towards specific people aside and try to move on. What do you think?
[18:14] <phunyguy> zsw_: just take into consideration that there are valid reasons for all of it.
[18:14] <zsw_> good advise whan you have respect
[18:14] <phunyguy> :)
[18:14] <zsw_> there valid reasons fro rape it dosent make it ethical;
[18:15] <bazhang> no there aren't
[18:15] <IdleOne> ok. ban will not be removed
[18:15] <phunyguy> err
[18:15] <IdleOne> You can leave now.
[18:15] <jbroome> yeah, that'd be good
[18:15] <zsw_> someones loyar dissagrees with bazang
[18:15] <IdleOne> !appeals | zsw_
[18:16] <IdleOne> NO.
[18:17] <zsw_> im ok
[18:35] <genii> @comment 59742 Gibberish spam, asked to stop, then told to stop, persisted
[18:35] <Pici> heh
[19:32] <ikonia> that zsw_ guys sent me a load of pm's with abuse on after I steered him to kali-linux
[19:32] <ikonia> he ended up getting banned in kali-linux for being a problem there too
[19:32] <ikonia> just leave it in place and let him find another toy to play with
[20:14] <genii> @comment 59743 zsw_ ( aka: zack_ ) Spamming
[20:23] <IdleOne> @comment 59743 also pm'ed me rude comments few minutes before joining #kubuntu and spamming
[20:23] <ikonia> ahhh
[20:24] <IdleOne> I've given the appeals link. he can deal with those IRCC people.
[20:24] <ikonia> do you not think we give the appeals link out to known idiot/trolls a bit easy
[20:24] <petergriffinre> hi
[20:24] <ikonia> he's been a problem for days, sent abuse in pm - does he really get an appeal
[20:24] <petergriffinre> is idleone the bread that came down from heaven?
[20:25] <genii> IdleOne: You seem to be a favourite target today for some reason
[20:25] <IdleOne> Must be my winning personality
[20:25] <IdleOne> I'll try being a little less attractive.
[20:26] <genii> And modest, too!
[20:26] <IdleOne> ikonia: everybody gets to appeal.
[20:26] <ikonia> I don't think so
[20:26] <ikonia> it's just a waste of time
[20:26] <IdleOne> sometimes it is
[20:26] <ikonia> "here known troll, here is an offical way to waste time"
[20:27] <genii> Basically sending them on a snipe hunt
[20:27] <ikonia> "it's an official process so we have to waste days of efforts just to confirm you are an idiot"
[20:28] <IdleOne> I know I don't have to tell you thism but just cause everybody gets to appeal does not mean all appeals are successful
[20:28] <IdleOne> this*
[20:28] <ikonia> I know that, but it's the total waste of time and effort
[20:28] <LjL-Calvino> it doesn't mean they asbolutely have to be spoonfed the appeal link either
[20:28] <LjL-Calvino> it always goes like this
[20:28] <ikonia> it's just not realistic to throw the appeals process to everyone who disagrees
[20:29] <LjL-Calvino> 1) nobody ever gives appeal link
[20:29] <LjL-Calvino> 2) someone starts making their own private script to give it out automatically
[20:29] <LjL-Calvino> 3) others think it's a good idea
[20:29] <LjL-Calvino> 4) ??????????
[20:29] <LjL-Calvino> 5) magically, it is "policy" to always give it and if you fail to, that's an invalid ban or whatever
[20:30] <IdleOne> I didn't just give it out. I gave him a real chance earlier to resolve his ban in #ubuntu and he seemed to be responding until he decided to get silly. That is when I gave him the link.
[20:30] <LjL-Calvino> oh well
[20:30] <LjL-Calvino> up to you to spend time dealing with their appeals, i guess
[20:30] <LjL-Calvino> i'm sure the IRCC isn't at all busy with any more pressing matters!
[20:31] <IdleOne> Not sure what other matters have to do with this issue. Many of us can handle more than one thing at a time.
[20:34] <LjL-Calvino> that's pretty cool
[21:16] <genii> ubottu: forget oh-#ubuntu-locoteams
[22:19] <knome> re: pointing peopple to the appeals process, it's pretty evident if somebody wants to resolve their ban or nor, and if they are mature enough and argument well enough to get the ban lifted
[22:20] <knome> i'm sure it doesn't take long to review a "k unban me plz" -appeal
[22:20] <knome> if it's well formulated, it's possible that the user should be given another chance
[23:30] <bazhang> if you cut down every law to reach the devil, what do you do when he turns back on you
[23:52] <IdleOne> punch him in the nose