[01:17] <bobkoe> hello
[03:26] <bfiller> mterry: you around?
[03:26] <mterry> bfiller, yup
[03:26] <bfiller> mterry: where does the Launcher read it's favorites from? need to change gallery and camera to click
[03:27] <bfiller> mterry: I see gsettings but doesn't seem to be wired up
[03:27] <mterry> bfiller, I believe the defaults are stored in gsettings, but are synced to accountsservice.  Let me confirm
[03:27] <mterry> hm
[03:29] <mterry> bfiller, ok.  Looking at plugins/Unity/Launcher/backend/launcherbackend.cpp in unity8 trunk should make things a bit clearer
[03:29] <mterry> bfiller, so what happens is we look at AccountsService first
[03:30] <mterry> bfiller, if the initial dummy value of {defaults=true} is there, we look at gsettings
[03:30] <mterry> bfiller, and that probably gets synced back to AccountsService at some point
[03:30] <mterry> bfiller, at which point we never look at gsettings again
[03:31] <bfiller> mterry: makes sense, where does AccountsServices store it's data?
[03:31] <mterry> bfiller, does that mesh with what you are seeing?
[03:31] <bfiller> mterry: yes
[03:31] <mterry> bfiller, /var/lib/AccountsService/users/
[03:31] <bfiller> mterry: ok cool, thanks
[03:31] <mterry> bfiller, you can use dbus to talk to it
[03:31] <mterry> bfiller, or if you are setting up a demo, you could preseed those ini files in that directory
[03:32] <bfiller> mterry: I think I just need to change the defaults in gsettings, but somehow need to force a sync with accountservice if someone updates
[03:33] <mterry> bfiller, ah.  Well, you can set AccountsService values for the user to {defaults=true} but that's against policy to change user data in a package update
[03:33] <mterry> bfiller, probably should use session-migration for that
[09:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Donor Day! :-D
[09:23] <JamesTait> Is anybody else missing indicator-network on mako using the recent builds?
[09:28] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:51] <janimo> ogra_, xnox is the android container the same for all supported nexus images?
[09:51] <janimo> is the android deb used unchanged across them?
[09:52] <ogra_> janimo, it is the same container but indeed different content per device
[09:53] <janimo> ogra_, where do the contents come from?
[09:54] <ogra_> janimo, ?
[09:54] <ogra_> janimo, you are the one hacking the android tree more often than me :P
[09:54] <ogra_> you should know
[09:54] <janimo> ogra_, not on the official images
[09:55] <janimo> ogra_, so I know there's the android binary package in the archives
[09:55] <ogra_> janimo, the phablet.u.c tree gets rolled into the android package which means it builds the img files
[09:55] <ogra_> timestamp for the checkout is in the deb version
[09:55] <janimo> ogra_, what I do not understand is aren't different debs needed for the different nexus devices?
[09:56] <janimo> IIRC there's a tarball of and android system image but I don't know if it's for a certain device only
[09:59] <ogra_> janimo, no, there are differnt img files needed
[09:59] <ogra_> the deb ships all img files from a build
[09:59] <ogra_> (and the zips, but these will go away soon)
[10:00] <ogra_> janimo, the build essentially loops over the devices in the tree and calls a build for each of them
[10:00] <janimo> ogra_, ack thanks.
[10:00]  * janimo should have just downloaded the package and looked :)
[10:00] <ogra_> then it grabs the resulting .img files and stuffs them in the deb in /usr/lib/android ... (or so)
[10:01] <janimo> ogra_, is this inlcuded in the livecd/build image scripts? Can a local build override this and supply their own android system.img  easily?
[10:02] <janimo> within live-build or rootstock-ng even
[10:02] <ogra_> janimo, have you looked at rootstock-ng lately ?
[10:02] <janimo> ogra_, never actually
[10:03] <ogra_> janimo, it ships an installer script that allows you exactly this
[10:03] <ogra_> janimo, https://wiki.canonical.com/Install_UT_on_4.4.2
[10:03] <janimo> ogra_, nice
[10:03] <ogra_> janimo, you can supply your own system.img to the installer
[10:03] <janimo> ogra_, are you planning on uploading it to trusty?
[10:04] <ogra_> it assembles a readonly ubuntu-system image on the device (same way system-image.u.c does) out of the generic tarball and the system.img
[10:04] <ogra_> janimo, yeah, i plan to
[11:29] <Guest54973> I am unable to install phablet
[12:04] <doomlord_> anyone tried ubuntu-touch on a nexus 5?
[12:05] <ogra_> doomlord_, yes, a few people ... there are still issues though
[12:06] <ogra_> doomlord_, it isnt supported officially, but here is a guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2
[12:34] <Laney> Where are the latest instructions for using 4.4?
[12:37] <ogra_> Laney, see my last line above :)
[12:37] <Laney> ha
[12:37] <Laney> thanks
[12:38] <Laney> ogra_: occam?
[12:39] <ogra_> occam ?
[12:39] <Laney> wait what
[12:39] <Laney> hah
[12:39] <Laney> I'm on /images instead of /drivers
[12:40] <Laney> wait, oh god, I'm confused
[12:43] <mandel> sil2100, thostr_ just got a "working" machine, did everything go ok?
[12:43] <ogra_> Laney, thats fine, its friday ;)
[12:44] <sil2100> mandel: well, we had problems in distro so the build started just recently
[12:44] <sil2100> But seems ok now
[12:44] <mandel> sil2100, ok, at least i did not block you with the machine problems!
[12:44] <Laney> ogra_: it is called occam on the linked url
[12:44] <Laney> for some reason
[12:45] <ogra_> oh, ah ...
[12:45] <Laney> o hai android
[12:45] <bashway97> hi
[12:47] <ogra_> Laney, rebooting into android at least once after the fastboot oem unlock is essential btw
[12:47] <ogra_> (it sets up the cache partition on first boot after that ... without cache installing wont work)
[12:48] <thostr_> mandel: it's still biulding
[12:50] <Laney> ogra_: does flashing android re-lock it?
[12:52] <ogra_> Laney, might, i never flashed android :P
[12:52] <cwayne> it shouldnt
[12:52] <Laney> thought you had to do that for 4.4
[12:52] <Laney> nah, it's still unlocked
[12:52] <Laney> bootloader helpfully tells you
[12:54] <Laney> here goes
[12:55] <cwayne> pete-woods, ping
[12:56] <pete-woods> cwayne: hi
[12:58] <cwayne> pete-woods, hiya, i was wondering how easy it would be to preseed some fake usermetrics stuff for several users
[12:58] <Laney> soooo can I do system-image updates now?
[12:58] <cwayne> specifically re: mterry's demo-users stuff
[12:59] <Laney> oh wait, now I just have a black screen :(
[12:59] <Laney> NO! it just took a while to come up
[12:59] <ogra_> yeah
[12:59] <ogra_> first boot is awful because click apparmor runs
[13:00] <Laney> haven't flashed from clean for a while
[13:01] <davmor2> cwayne: how do
[13:02] <pete-woods> cwayne: you've really got two options
[13:02] <pete-woods> cwayne: you could manually create the data on your own machine
[13:02] <pete-woods> then package up the usermetrics db somewhere
[13:03] <pete-woods> or you could try and automate that process on first boot
[13:04] <cwayne> pete-woods, where would that db live?
[13:04] <cwayne> davmor2, how do wat
[13:04] <pete-woods> cwayne: the usermetrics db lives in /var/lib/usermetrics/usermetrics6.db IIRC
[13:04] <cwayne> i assume that's writable by default then?
[13:05] <davmor2> cwayne: how do? == morning, how are you, nice to see you.......
[13:05] <cwayne> lol
[13:05] <pete-woods> cwayne: it's readable and writable only to the usermetrics user
[13:06] <pete-woods> cwayne: I wonder if you could provide a special build of the usermetrics package with a pre-packaged db in
[13:09] <davmor2> pete-woods: so in theory you could build up a profile on a device and just copy that db into a build?
[13:10] <cwayne> how would you do it for different users though?
[13:11] <davmor2> cwayne: ha good call
[13:11] <cwayne> dpm, hey, you might wanna check the apparmor profile for reminders, there's a buuuuuunch of denials there
[13:11] <cwayne> popey, hey, did you log a bug about that phantom sidestage popping up?
[13:12] <popey> cwayne: 1279582
[13:12] <popey> cwayne: bug 1279582
[13:13] <cwayne> hah, that was me
[13:13] <cwayne> i didn't know if you'd logged a more generic one :)
[13:13] <popey> nope
[13:13] <popey> will do on weekend
[13:13] <popey> have borrowed a nexus 10 and keep seeing stuff I need to file
[13:13] <popey> but I'm stupidly busy today so can't stop to file bugs
[13:14] <popey> i installed every single app from the store on the n10 and will poke it to death
[13:14] <pete-woods> davmor2: that would work, yes, you'd need to restart the usermetrics service, though
[13:15] <pete-woods> davmor2: or even better, stop the service, put the db in, then start it again
[13:15] <cwayne> greyback_, have you seen bug 1279582 ?  It seems to happen on a bunch of other apps as well
[13:15] <pete-woods> cwayne: you'd have to create the same users on your local machine
[13:15] <cwayne> and su to them and then run something like usermetricsinput?
[13:15] <pete-woods> exactly
[13:16] <pete-woods> cwayne: you could even dump the SQL from the database, so you didn't have to look after a binary sqlite database
[13:16] <pete-woods> the schema is not going to change (ever)
[13:17] <greyback_> cwayne: no, but is something I'll have to fix. The WM code is not prepared for these trusted helpers yet
[13:18] <cwayne> greyback_, it seems to happen intermittently on other apps too (not using trusted helpers), i'll try and see if there's something i can do to reproduce it reliabl
[13:18] <cwayne> y
[13:18] <pete-woods> sudo -u usermetrics sqlite3 /var/lib/usermetrics/usermetrics6.db .dump
[13:18] <pete-woods> cwayne: ^ something like that
[13:18] <greyback_> cwayne: that would be v helpful, thanks
[13:19] <cwayne> pete-woods, lovely, thanks
[13:20] <m-b-o> popey: do you know after how much units.gu() a design should switch to tablet?
[13:21] <ngatilio> hello
[13:22] <ngatilio> I have a problem: I don't know how can I publish my apps in Ubuntu Apps Store
[13:23] <ngatilio> I read the steps but I don't understand the process very well
[13:28] <ngatilio> hello
[13:29] <popey> m-b-o: sounds like a question for Kaleo
[13:29] <dpm> cwayne, oh, hadn't noticed it. Could you dump the denials you've seen somewhere I could have a look?
[13:30] <Kaleo> m-b-o, I believe the agreed break point was 60gu
[13:30] <Kaleo> m-b-o, no 80gu
[13:31] <m-b-o> kaleo: ah, thanks. 80gu makes more sense for me. 60 is a bit narrow
[13:35] <cwayne> dpm, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6931188/
[13:36] <ngatilio> please can you help me ?
[13:43] <popey> thanks Kaleo
[13:54] <dpm> thanks cwayne, looking at it now
[14:02] <dpm> cwayne, thanks a lot for the heads up. I think these should not affect the usage of the app, but I've filed it as bug 1280293 to keep track of it
[14:02] <cwayne> dpm, i think some of them might have something to do with setting reminders/alarms
[14:03] <dpm> cwayne, let me have another look, then, but we're still not using the alarms API. The reminders we set are just a flag in regular Evernote notes
[14:05] <dpm> jdstrand, could you help me interpret http://paste.ubuntu.com/6931188/ for the Reminders app? It seems to try to access .config/pulse quite a lot, but I'm not sure why
[14:12] <dpm> Kaleo, do you happen to know how many GUs a Nexus 7 and a Nexus 10 have?
[14:14] <SonikkuAmerica> dpm: What's a "GU"?
[14:14] <jdstrand> dpm: seems you need the 'audio' abstraction
[14:14] <jdstrand> /usr/share/qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin/assets/multi_selection_handle...
[14:14] <jdstrand> dpm: what kind of app is this? sdk? html5?
[14:15] <jdstrand> dpm: sorry, the audio policy group
[14:15] <dpm> jdstrand, native QML app that talks to the Evernote online service
[14:15] <dpm> SonikkuAmerica, Grid Unit: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/UbuntuUserInterfaceToolkit.resolution-independence/#measurement-units
[14:15] <jdstrand> dpm: can you paste /var/lib/apparmor/clicks/*reminders*json
[14:16] <dpm> jdstrand, I guess that file is the same as: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~reminders-app-dev/reminders-app/trunk/view/head:/click/apparmor.json ?
[14:16] <jdstrand> dpm: I just installed on my device 'Ubuntu Click Loader' seems like a weird description
[14:17] <dpm> jdstrand, I know, we need to change that :). That's the name of the uploader
[14:17] <jdstrand> dpm: yes. please add '"audio",' to the policy groups
[14:18] <dpm> jdstrand, but we don't really need audio. We'll have to figure out why it's trying to access audio-related locations
[14:18] <jdstrand> the other bit is an apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu change I need to make
[14:18] <jdstrand> dpm: ok, that is the other option :)
[14:18] <jdstrand> dpm: does it do anything with video?
[14:18] <jdstrand> that could do it to
[14:19] <jdstrand> look for qtmultimedia stuff
[14:19] <jdstrand> anyhoo, I'll fix the other denial
[14:19] <dpm> jdstrand, ah, we're loading the Camera QML component to take pictures and embed them to notes
[14:19] <jdstrand> that shouldn't record audio though
[14:19] <jdstrand> oh
[14:19] <dpm> the only other thing that we do with media is to use the content hub
[14:19] <jdstrand> actually, there is a camera click
[14:20] <dpm> to pick images
[14:20] <jdstrand> I bet that is what it is
[14:20] <dpm> jdstrand, ah, yeah, that's quite annoying. I can't deactivate the click
[14:22] <jdstrand> dpm: does it use an UbuntuWebview?
[14:22] <dpm> jdstrand, yes, to display notes in html
[14:22] <jdstrand> ok
[14:23] <dpm> jdstrand, actually, let me double check, but I think that's the case
[14:23] <cwayne> ah, that could explain why my camera isn't showing up on n10 from reminders!
[14:23] <dpm> cwayne, but it's weird that it does show on the N4
[14:24] <cwayne> yeah
[14:24] <cwayne> dpm, but i think i tested on the n4 before the latest apparmor changes
[14:24] <dpm> jdstrand, yes, we do use an UbuntuWebView
[14:24] <cwayne> maybe it wouldn't work now
[14:25] <jdstrand> ok thanks, I'll get that last access fixed in apparmor-easyprof-buntu 1.1.5
[14:25] <dpm> cool, thanks
[14:25] <dpm> cwayne, I'm on an old image from last week. I'll update my N4 and re-test
[14:41] <mandel> barry, take a look at the comment from gatox I think is a really nice explamanation of what is going on in terms of the UI
[14:41] <barry> mandel: in email?  still trying to catch up with the backlog
[14:42] <mandel> barry, as a comment in the bug
[14:42] <mandel> barry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-download-manager/+bug/1277589/comments/42
[14:45] <barry> mandel: i will respond to that via email
[15:05] <davmor2> barry: ^ I feel fairly smug for my comment that it seemed to hit when the settings app was reporting there were updates I figured it might be locking files but wasn't sure many thanks for confirming though :)
[15:05] <barry> davmor2: yep!  it was a fun one to figure out.  let's see if it's as much fun to fix :)
[15:42] <frecel> popey: Is there a reason SmartFart is still not avaliable?
[16:00] <dobey> INFO:phablet-flash:Device detected as /sbin/sh: getprop: not found
[16:01] <dobey> ^^ that's not good :(
[16:04] <ogra_> dobey, not bad either though
[16:04] <ogra_> just use the -d switch
[16:05] <dobey> ogra_: well, i presume "getprop" not existing is a pretty bad thing
[16:06] <ogra_> dobey, thats normal in i.e. recovery mode
[16:06] <ogra_> (well, getprop is there, but the property isnt)
[16:27] <bfiller> mzanetti: regarding the gsettings for the launcher..
[16:27] <mzanetti> bfiller: hi
[16:27] <bfiller> mzanetti: so for now I have to have the full path to the click desktop file?
[16:28] <cyphermox_> awe_: https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=urfkill&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty  <-- urfkill for your testing pleasure
[16:28] <awe_> thanks dude!
[16:28] <mzanetti> bfiller: not entirely sure if that would work. might do. but let me check the code
[16:29] <bfiller> mzanetti: I mean, having this works: application://com.ubuntu.gallery_gallery_2.9.1.910.desktop
[16:29] <bfiller> mzanetti: I've tried it
[16:29] <mzanetti> ah cool. so then yeah, that's it for now
[16:29] <bfiller> mzanetti: and what happens when gallery is updated?
[16:29] <mzanetti> bfiller: you should be able to remove the .desktop even
[16:30] <mzanetti> bfiller: but yeah. in case of an update it would leave you with a dead icon in the launcher
[16:30] <bfiller> mzanetti: that's a problem
[16:31] <mzanetti> bfiller: I know, yes... Will talk with Saviq on Monday and see how to make progress with this situation
[16:31] <mzanetti> bfiller: jfi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1239750
[16:31] <bfiller> mzanetti: couldn't the findDesktop() method be smarter? and accept an appid:// and search for the current version?
[16:31] <bfiller> mzanetti: ah, ok
[16:33] <bfiller> mzanetti: so I'm going to move ahead with my MR for the shell and default settings then, when this bug get fixed it will solve the update case
[16:34] <mzanetti> bfiller: I'm afraid doing that in the findDesktop() is what we'll do. But that would mean to chop off the version number here just to have that smartness everywhere we actually use the appId then
[16:34] <danwest> any chance there is a native email app in development?
[16:34] <mzanetti> bfiller: 'cause if I just patch the findDestkopFile() in the launcherBackend, I would also add some logic that walks through all the stored and available desktop files just to check if there's a change somewhere
[16:36] <bfiller> mzanetti: yeah, so url-dispatcher has support for the appid:// url with current_version. might want to check how it's doing it and if we can leverage somehow in the shell
[16:38] <bfiller> mzanetti: seems shell should support application://<legacy-desktop-file> or appid://<click-package>
[16:38] <mzanetti> bfiller: we only work with appIds inside the shell
[16:39] <mzanetti> bfiller: but the appId contains the version number, as per specification. so yeah. we can work around that, but I hoped to find a solution instead of workarounding it all over the place inside the shell
[16:40] <mzanetti> bfiller: so far it wasn't a really big issue. but you converting your apps now to click packages suffering from this, obviously raises priority on this
[16:40] <mzanetti> bfiller: I'll try to get it fixed first thing on monday
[16:40] <bfiller> mzanetti: yup
[16:40] <bfiller> mzanetti: thanks for the help
[16:41] <mzanetti> np
[16:41] <bfiller> mzanetti: also, any ideas about how the AccountsService values get updated?
[16:41] <mzanetti> bfiller: you mean the version?
[16:41] <bfiller> mzanetti: meaning, when we land clicks for gallery and camera how do we not break the laucher that will have cached versions that point to the legacy desktop file
[16:42] <pmcgowan> mandel, barry any fixes I can help test?
[16:42] <bfiller> mzanetti: as launcher reads favorites from AccountsServices if they are present but that will be stale when we remove the debs for gallery and camera
[16:42] <mandel> pmcgowan, not yet, at least from my side
[16:43] <mzanetti> bfiller: again, the appId changes. it's a different app. we'd need to add special code that migrates those values
[16:43] <mzanetti> bfiller: could be done by a script if we have such upgrade hooks somewhere, otherwise temporary in the launcher code if you think it's necessary.
[16:44] <bfiller> mzanetti: might not be necessary, guess we can just instruct people to blow away the cached values in AccountsServices
[16:45] <mzanetti> bfiller: if you start up the "new" app, you'll get a second icon in the launcher.
[16:45] <mzanetti> bfiller: you can remove the old one via a longpress
[16:45] <mzanetti> so people wouldn't need to do some cmdline magic even
[16:45] <bfiller> mzanetti: true
[16:46] <bfiller> mzanetti: so long as they realize the only way to launch the new app will be through the scope
[16:46] <mzanetti> yeah... its not nice. I agree...
[16:54] <barry> pmcgowan: i expect to have a branch/ppa later today.  i'll email ubuntu-phone when it's ready
[16:54] <pmcgowan> barry, great thanks
[16:59] <mhall119> nik90: kalikiana: we need somebody to present a U1DB session during app developer week starting March 3rd, could one or both of you do that?
[17:02] <Laney> awe_: Does it make sense for system-settings to hide 'forbidden' networks in the manual network list?
[17:02] <Laney> also, we figured out that bug
[17:03] <Laney> the one where the list is blank
[17:04] <awe_> Laney, yes... just talking to abeato about it
[17:04] <ev> jdstrand: sorry, was on holiday. Do you still need help?
[17:04] <awe_> Laney, when you say forbidden, where does that attribute show up?
[17:05] <nik90> mhall119: hmm...I will wait to see what kalikiana has to say :)
[17:05] <Laney> awe_: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/doc/network-api.txt#n181
[17:06] <kalikiana> mhall119: nik90: if it's somewhat friendly to European time, sure. if you ask me it's about time it gets more attention, I was sad to see google contacts come first ;-)
[17:06] <Laney> like, would you ever want to show them if you can't connect to them?
[17:06] <awe_> Laney, thanks...  ack to hiding them
[17:06] <Laney> or show them but disabled or something?
[17:06] <Laney> okay, thanks
[17:06] <awe_> np
[17:06] <nik90> kalikiana: google contacts?
[17:07] <kalikiana> nik90: it seems to have been decided sync for google contacts comes first. I'd have liked u1db there
[17:07] <kalikiana> though I guess we'll have both anyway
[17:08] <nik90> kalikiana: ah you are referring to the contacts app...lol
[17:08] <kalikiana> yes
[17:09] <nik90> kalikiana: well to make you happy clock app is all u1db native :P
[17:10] <kalikiana> hell yeah
[17:10] <mhall119> kalikiana: starts at 1400 UTC
[17:11] <nik90> mhall119: do you have a link to the currently planned session?
[17:11] <nik90> I only have the link to the old schedule in feb
[17:15] <kalikiana> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1403/ looks empty
[17:23] <nik90> kalikiana: that is the UDS schedule
[17:23] <nik90> kalikiana: the app devel week had a different link
[17:24] <kalikiana> hmm
[17:38] <mhall119> nik90: there isn't currently one planned for U1DB
[17:38] <mhall119> I'm trying to fix that :)
[17:38] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/appdevweek-1403/
[17:38] <mhall119> is appdevweek
[17:39] <nik90> kalikiana: so what is the verdict? Do you want to host the session?
[17:42] <kalikiana> I don't mind doing it except never hosted one and Hangouts sometimes kills my wifi net so not sure I'm completely reliable to stream stuff
[17:43] <kalikiana> it might be "safer" if I'm not the one doing the recording at least, while I don't know wtf is the problem with the wifi
[18:06] <nik90> kalikiana: How about we both do it? In case you do drop out, I can continue until you get back. But I believe the app developer week is a hangout one meaning live streaming
[18:06] <nik90> mhall119: is that possible ?  ^^
[18:08] <jdstrand> ev: are you still on holiday? really I just want to know how to request that /var/log/syslog be attached to the non-AP security tests. eg: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/182:20140214:20140115.1/6584/security/
[18:09] <jdstrand> ev: so, don't let me disrupt your holiday :) feel free to point me at someone else or to file a bug some where
[18:11] <kalikiana> nik90: mhall119: the main problem is Hangouts may unexpectedly kick me out and kill my wifi for 5-10min - I'm happy to go through questions/ agenda, just I might just disappear at any time
[18:11] <kalikiana> hard to say if by then I found the problem, since it only ever happens with Hangouts, nothing else
[18:12] <nik90> kalikiana: I wouldn't mind hosting the session, but I am not so confident about the material as I just started using u1db.
[18:13] <nik90> kalikiana: that's what I am hesitant about
[18:14] <kalikiana> nik90: what we can do is prepare a short document before with the agenda, current state, plans. doesn't need to be completely ad-hoc
[18:15] <kalikiana> and then there's always the "let's first talk about that other thing until the guy gets back"
[18:16] <nik90> kalikiana: ok..we should also prepare for common questions that we can expect
[18:16] <nik90> kalikiana: I am willing to work on this with you.
[18:17] <kalikiana> yeah. I'd find some bullet points useful in any case, to jog the memory on what's important
[18:18] <kalikiana> that big lump of cheese in my head sometimes only responds if it gets the magic word first :-]
[18:18] <nik90> I will start drafting a google document with the necessary stuff and share it with you
[18:19] <nik90> can you msg me your email to share it
[18:30] <kalikiana> cool
[18:51] <mhall119> nik90: kalikiana: you guys running it together would be fantastic
[18:52] <mhall119> these sessions are always easier/more engaging with multiple instructors anyway
[18:53] <mhall119> mzanetti: ping (also about app dev week sessions)
[20:05] <cwayne> popey, you around?
[20:53] <pablomant> hollo, anybody to help me with the ubuntu touch install? maybe the phone does not run it (SAMSUNG GALAXY FAME)
[20:53] <m-b-o> fginther balloons I'm around if you have questions or something
[20:59] <dobey> cwayne: ping. kenvandine says you've done a lot of hacking on online-accounts stuff lately. do you know of a way to debug the HTTPS requests for an oauth provider in it?
[21:00] <cwayne> dobey, hm, i haven't actually touched it in a while, let me try and find some notes on it to see if i can help
[21:00] <nik90> bzoltan: thnx for the new UI toolkit release! I can imagine the busy schedule you had today :)
[21:01] <bzoltan> nik90: It was hell of a ride :) whole week
[21:01] <nik90> bzoltan: would this also make its way to the phone or that's still frozen until the Qt 5.2 transition is complete?
[21:01] <bzoltan> nik90: special thanks to you for pushing us and filing bugs
[21:01] <nik90> bzoltan: I am glad it has been updated. Some of my AP tests needed the latest SDK package on 14.04..
[21:02] <bzoltan> nik90: this UITK will land on the rev184 image
[21:02] <nik90> bzoltan: Awesome!
[21:03] <bzoltan> nik90: that was a massive fight ... the quality gatekeeping is really tough... for good reason.
[21:04] <nik90> bzoltan: I have heard from elopio and others :)
[21:04] <nik90> bzoltan: I guess a really good way to end the week. Enjoy your weekend!
[21:44] <winb> I can't get wifi to work on my nexus 4
[21:44] <winb> what am I doing wrong?
[21:46] <ybon> winb: which Android was on the phone before install?
[21:47] <winb> ybon: 4.4.2 that's probably the problem
[21:48] <ybon> winb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Android4.4Radio yep ;)
[22:08] <balloons> m-b-o, you around?
[22:09] <m-b-o> yes
[22:20] <wargle> hiya any ubuntu-touch on nexus 10 users here?
[22:21] <wargle> trying to follow the instructions but when I run the ubuntu-device-flash --channel devel --bootstrap command
[22:21] <wargle> the terminal just sits there, no feedback, no nothing, I know there's a "this may take some time" warning, but... how much time?
[22:22] <wargle> nexus 10 is unlocked
[22:22] <wargle> usb debugging enabled
[22:22] <wargle> and adb devices lists it as available
[22:23] <wargle> running this from a 13.10 machine
[22:29] <wargle> never mind, seems like it's crap docs, the ubuntu-device-flash doesn't auto detect, you need to pass the -device flag too
[22:41] <popey> cwayne: wassup?
[23:06] <cwayne> popey, nevermind, was looking for the latest click for reminders but i just built it instead
[23:07] <popey> cwayne: ah ok
[23:07] <popey> fwiw i usually build it with the script in trunk
[23:08] <cwayne> popey, that's what i ultimately did, but i wasn't sure if there were any untested commits or anything to trunk
[23:11] <nhaines> Hmm, okay, I just bought a Nexus 5 to replace my Galaxy Nexus.  Following the DualBoot install instructions failed before the Ubuntu installer was installled... so the question is...
[23:11] <popey> cwayne: there won't be after you test them ☻
[23:11] <nhaines> What's the best way to test which parts of Ubuntu are broken on a Nexus 5 without flashing the phone?  :)
[23:11] <cwayne> popey, lol fair enough
[23:11] <popey> nhaines: the one device i have no experience of, sorry
[23:12] <Tassadar> nhaines: use...another multiboot thingy <_<
[23:13] <nhaines> popey: fair enough.  I was hoping once I got so far I could just push the 4.4.2-based image.  Hmm.  Might have to read dualboot.sh
[23:17] <Tassadar> nhaines: there's another multiboot modification, which can handle ubuntu touch on N5, but it's a bit more complex. Touch on N5 works fairly well, except the sound doesn't work
[23:18] <Elleo> is there any documentation on the link between desktop files and displaying stuff on UT (e.g. detailing why Qt apps need a --desktop-file specified and what it's doing)?
[23:18] <cwayne> once sound works on n5, im switching immediately
[23:18] <Elleo> just been having a bit of a poke at libsdl2 now it's got Mir support, but I can't figure out how to let it actually connect to the Mir server
[23:22] <nhaines> Tassadar: that's helpful, thanks.