=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [04:59] hey [04:59] i guess its too late for uk folk and too early by an hour for MartijnVdS [04:59] ;] [05:01] Some of us UK folk are up. [05:05] oh [05:05] not slept?:) [05:09] morning [05:09] morning MartijnVdS [05:10] mappps: can't I even take a shower without you needing me? :P [05:11] lol [05:11] i was just thinking youd be around in an hour [05:11] :) [05:12] gonna watch true detective in a minute sounds ok [05:19] too early? really? [05:25] heh guess not [05:25] what time do you uk folks sleep then [05:26] saturday, basically [05:27] being a 'night owl' and having 6am shifts combine in the worst way possible [05:27] ugh yea that sounds it [05:27] and being a morning person and leaving for work at 6:45 (NL time) is my excuse ;) [05:28] i think id struggle to sleep before say 11/12 if i worked days..some people i see at the gym at 4am sometimes (after work) theyre going before work [05:28] and go to sleep at like 8/9pm!! [05:28] I can't go to sleep at 9pm :/ [05:28] my internets are fastest 2-5am, and the evening's just warming up as the yanks socialize [05:29] yea id find it really hard like i say [05:30] 9pm..the 10 o clock news hasnt even been on yet! [05:32] I gotta say I'm loving my new nets. I'm paying for 120mbit, but it's not unusual to see 150-170 overnight [05:34] and upstream speed? [05:34] pathetic :( [05:34] well, I'm not sure 10meg is so bad compared to what I've had in the past. but yes your 100/100 sounds lovely :p [05:35] shauno: they'll be upgrading to 500/500 soon [05:35] :( [05:35] I got a letter telling me that if I kept downloading so much, they'd be forced to upgrade me to the next plan. [05:36] I was all excited and gave them a call. there is no next plan. they were teasing me :( [05:36] I already have a gigabit link, it's just throttled at 100/100 because there isn't enough capacity at the other end yet [05:36] shauno: awww [05:36] I'm not sure "oh please mistress, punish me!" was the response they expected from their letters [05:38] maybe they could get you a second line and do some kind of bundling/bonding? [05:38] you'd think isps would understand geeks a little better. a letter telling you you're in the 1% of their users, and the response is ... I know [05:40] I'm not sure it'd take a second line. just offer me a plan that doesn't have an asterix next to 'unlimited' in the description [06:07] o/ [06:32] \o [06:48] people are so lazy... [06:48] I mean seriously, you live ~500 m from the school, but you feel the need to drive your kids there every morning? [06:55] morning all [06:55] jussi: oh that pee's me off as well [06:59] MooDoo: there are a number of people in this little village who do it, all under 1 km from the school [06:59] yeah lazy [06:59] understandable if it's totally raining etc, but if it's fine, they should walk lol [07:07] morning [07:07] maybe they're dropping off on the way to something else? [07:07] like work [07:08] popey: not the people in my village, but yes that could be the case as well. [07:09] popey: nope, I watch them leave, then 10 mins later back [07:12] our kids school is 3.3 miles away [07:12] so no real option but to drive [07:15] popey: make them walk! then they can tell their kids "when I was a child, I had to walk 3.3 miles through snow...!" [07:15] :P [07:31] heh [07:50] playing this at full tilt in the office to test the phone volume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPkgIPDfcE#t=1m45 [07:51] if this is a rick roll popey I'll not be happy ;) [07:51] phew [07:51] MooDoo: what's your obsession with 80s music? ;) [07:51] MooDoo: you were concerned about being rick rolled earlier this week too ;) [07:51] its very jolly for a friday [07:51] MartijnVdS: 80's music rocks :) [07:52] MartijnVdS: I suspect I'm older than you :p [07:52] MooDoo: likely [07:54] * MartijnVdS was born in 1980 [07:54] MooDoo: I was watching some vanilla ice for old times sake this morning :P [07:54] jussi: vanilla ice ice baby? [07:55] MartijnVdS: yes :P [07:55] jussi: under pressure ;) [07:55] which then led me to "Mr T - Treat her right" :P :P [07:55] * MartijnVdS fears jussi's music collection [07:56] jussi: though I have this: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF [07:56] jussi: and this: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/1g55QqilucQ0qr1x4Sv5fw [07:56] MartijnVdS: I dont beleive in music collections [07:56] except a few old vinyls that I have [07:56] nice being first in the office. i can play music as loud as I like [07:57] even the crap stuff [07:57] popey: I know the feeling ;) [07:58] dammit, just as I said that someone walked in :D [08:04] popey: give them an hour off ;) [08:17] moin moin [08:22] morning [08:34] morning guys [08:35] morning chap [08:35] Happy "oh crap, it's that day again" day [08:37] :S [08:43] * dwatkins wondered for a moment why SuperMatt doesn't like Fridays, then saw the date [08:43] My plans this evening consist of playing Kerbal Space Program with a friend and drinking wine with my boss. [08:44] dwatkins: it's friday that is all [08:44] indeed, when she texted me yesterday, it didn't even occur to me that it was valentine's day when I replied saying "yes, I'll be glad to pop round, I have no plans" [08:45] (and for those who are curious, being male, I'm not her type ;) ) === msm is now known as Guest99209 [09:22] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Donor Day! :-D [09:26] Good morning peeps :) [09:26] JamesTait: Kebab? [09:27] bigcalm, ooh, you know how to spoil me. :-P [09:28] Morning all [09:30] JamesTait: You should add a little more sincerity when you are being that sarcastic [09:39] it's kebab day? [09:41] it is. [09:41] I'm hoping it Green & Black's Chocolate Day. [09:41] davmor2, where's my card? [09:42] * popey notes davmor2 looks like a cylon with his headphones on [09:42] popey: I was going for cyberman [09:42] \o/ [09:42] thats it [09:42] used wrong word [09:44] * davmor2 deletes popey [09:47] * awilkins also has quite cybermanish headphones [09:50] is there going to be some command line lurve? [09:50] always [09:51] davmor2: you taking over the world again? [09:51] awilkins: http://ubuntuone.com/0d86T5PnJ3LPhsf3mH5j4l like this? [09:51] MooDoo: Always [09:53] davmor2, Well, not quite as silver : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/IMG_20140214_095152.jpg [09:54] And with more microfibre cloth for padding purposes [09:54] dwatkins: OMG I can never ever unsee that :p [09:54] What did I do? [09:54] dwatkins: well I assume that was you ;) lol [09:55] * dwatkins is confused [09:55] dwatkins: no I'm an arse, it wasn't you I was supposed to reply to it was awilkins ;) lol [09:55] sorry *blush* [09:55] no worries, our names are similar [09:56] It's a bad camera [09:56] Obviously this is the ONLY reason for your revulsion. Terrible grainy pixels. [09:57] I think it was shopped [09:57] because of those pixels [10:03] "RewriteRule ^([^/]*)$ /?view=$1 [L]" throws apache into error 500, why? [10:07] kvarley: it'll probably tell you in error.log [10:07] kvarley: either mod_rewrite isn't enabled, or the thing that processes the /?view= URL doesn't like it [10:12] MartijnVdS: Just a bad rule I think [10:13] JamesTait: is it your BUFFDAY? [10:15] davmor2, I was expecting a mushy, luvvy-duvvy card from you, that I could post on Facebook for MooDoo to see. [10:16] JamesTait: I only send those to czajkowski so she doesn't stab me so often you note how it doesn't work must be the poem I put inside [10:17] davmor2, well, yeah - just because 'poo' rhymes with 'blue' doesn't mean it's a good idea to use it. ;) [10:17] JamesTait: I'm more classy than that, Roses are Red, Violets are blue, the smell of the bogs, reminds me of you :) [10:18] How could anyone resist? [10:18] JamesTait: exactly I've no idea why I was never swamped with cards [10:21] valentime schamlentine [10:24] * czajkowski peers at davmor2 [10:25] czajkowski: What? [10:28] bigcalm: what did you do to those birds to make then hate your car so much [10:31] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgbY8-4CIAAJmh6.png:large [10:32] davmor2: I'm pleased (sort of) to say that mine wasn't the only car struck. It's quite a messy street now [10:32] I might find out if I can use a car wash this weekend [10:32] bigcalm: oh so your neighbours hate you too now for annoying the birds ;) [10:32] :P [10:32] davmor2: did you watch the video I posted? [10:33] JamesTait: U+1F339 or u"\U0001F339" just for you [10:33] *sigh* Empathy works perfectly for our Cisco Jabber service but Eclipse Communications Framework hates it [10:33] bigcalm: I did [10:36] davmor2, how sweet. Thank you. xx ;) [10:36] davmor2, @;------ there's yours. [10:36] JamesTait: ah the ascii equivalent :) [10:36] morning boys and girls. [10:36] JamesTait: ---'--,--<@ mine has thorns ;) [10:37] brobostigon: hello [10:37] hi MooDoo [10:37] MooDoo: I always thought you were a little thorny badumtish [10:37] MooDoo, careful with that thing! You'll have someone's eye out! :-P [10:41] JamesTait: said the actress to the bishop ;) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:42] Hah, glad I'm not the only one who still makes actress/bishop innuendos [10:44] InYOURendo [10:55] MartijnVdS: OOOOOOoooooo [11:02] davmor2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtFKNNd04A [11:05] MartijnVdS: that guy was so funny in Scrubs :D [11:12] yay new router works fine :d [11:14] MooDoo: which one did you get? [11:15] MartijnVdS: http://www.asus.com/Networking/RTAC56U/ [11:17] MooDoo: Eww, Asus :) [11:17] MooDoo: but it looks nice [11:17] MartijnVdS: works fine as well :D [11:17] connected to 5ghz seems zippy [11:22] it should be! 802.11ac is great (especially if nobody else in the area is using it, and you can use a full 160MHz wide channel) [11:23] but I guess you're "only" on n? [11:23] (unless you have a very recent laptop?) [11:24] MartijnVdS: yeah n I thnk, but it seems fine :D [11:33] MooDoo: yeah, AC radios shuold be good at speaking N :) [11:57] MooDoo: Hi.......... [12:00] davmor2: are you an enigeer? :D [12:28] jussi: No I just break everything [12:29] reverse engineer then? [12:29] * jussi giggles [12:29] the accidental engineer [12:29] "demolitions expert" [12:29] :P [12:30] morning [12:30] afternoon diddledan === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:43] my friend and colleague just sent me this: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8057923840/h5277D4BB/ [12:45] That's a depressing notion, that people who don't remember floppy disks are too young for me... [12:45] indeed [12:45] In 3 years, 18-year-olds will be half my age. [12:45] Already there bro [12:45] I've still got 5 years till that time [12:46] * MooDoo is 42 next [12:46] * awilkins points and laughs at the old guy [12:46] MooDoo: great number [12:46] Indeed [12:48] :D i'll know everything in april [12:50] Except what the question was [12:50] If you work that one out, we'll all disappear and have to start again [12:50] awilkins: I'll bear that in mind. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:08] oh. systemd [13:09] I like upstart because I've used it - haven't tried anything with systemd yet [13:12] My biggest objections to systemd are purely cosmetic [13:12] systemctl is a long command which is too similar to sysctl [13:12] MartijnVdS: if it make you feel better in 3 year 22 year olds will be half my age [13:12] and the ordering of the syntax is a ballach [13:12] systemctl stop service [13:12] up arrow. left arrow a few times. delete delete. art [13:13] systemd is way too big and complicated for mobile IMHO. (sadly others dont feel this way) [13:13] you might be right [13:14] but I don't know enough about how it really fits in to the system to know if it will be good enough or not [13:14] though I have a feeling that because it's monolithic, incorporating so much more stuff, that it may use more resources, which isn't good for mobile [13:19] i need help for install and configure Wacom Bamboo Pad CTH-301K [13:19] i open tread, but is in Italian language [13:19] Burakunin: have you looked on the wacom page on the wiki ? [13:19] !wacom [13:19] yeah, sure, and i have installed all package, but... [13:19] bah, factoid doesnt exist anymore [13:20] in the temrinal dont find the package, and the wacom dont work on the app [13:20] Ive no idea on unity, in KDE we have a nice config thing in system settings [13:20] i dont like KDE [13:20] but ty for info [13:21] Burakunin: you can also ask in #ubuntu [13:21] in inglese mi consigliano di provare col KDE anziche Unity [13:22] avrei necessità d'aiuto: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=574264 [13:22] Burakunin: this is the UK channel - have you joined the italian channel yet? #ubuntu-it ? [13:22] ah sorry [13:22] im wrong [13:26] Ah - I was just about to reply with Wacom stuff. Oh well [13:45] wiggity wiggity Wac.. om [13:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010KyIQjkTk ! [13:53] so, looks like ubuntu will move to systemd... http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 (guess that is what the earlier discussion was) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:58] quite a nice post imo [13:59] cuts off any fighting, sets out on a path [13:59] it is. /r/linux is flaming it again of course [13:59] "Only after the fact" "I wonder when he'll post the same about mir" etc. [13:59] zzz [14:00] Ick - diversity is required for evolution [14:00] You need "mutant" projects like Upstart / Mir / Wayland to find the paths of best fitness [14:00] awilkins: but I don't use desktop email clients! [14:01] apt-get purge evolution [14:01] But then the trolls could all be regarded as selective pressures, so I guess their input is useful too [14:01] MartijnVdS, I thought Thunderbird was the default now? [14:01] awilkins: yeah but people like to hate on sabdfl/Canonical/Canonical employees/people perceived to be Canonical shills [14:01] thunderbird is discontinued, no? [14:01] awilkins: You started about evolution! ;) [14:01] jussi: it's not. [14:01] huh? [14:01] MartijnVdS, I confess I don't like Thunderbird much either these days - I'm usually content to use the web interface of GMail [14:01] didnt mozilla drop it ? [14:02] like a hot potato [14:02] https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/XAdRaosWyjQ [14:03] Now that one *is* unexpected to me [14:04] but nice to see! [14:06] yeah that's a good message [14:06] awilkins: Isn't Thunderbird a dead project these days? [14:06] * TwistedLucidity is sorry, catching up [14:07] it seems pretty alive to me, but perhaps it is [14:08] I am pretty sure Mozilla said all dev was stopped and that we'd only get security fixes or something. [14:08] Last release was 10 days ago [14:08] ah ok, that must have been quite recently [14:08] Someone not got the memo [14:08] perhaps it was just a security fix [14:08] But yes, that was last year that was announced [14:08] But even so [14:08] I don't much like it for accessing GMail [14:08] Which I suspect is what kills it for many people [14:09] I use kmail to be honest :D [14:09] Yes I read something about Thunderbird like that a while ago [14:09] It's not grokked the "labels" model, it's still stuck on Folders [14:09] Hence when you search you get multiple copies of everything [14:09] awilkins: I know there's new releases for secuirty etc; but I didn't think there was active development. Maybe I'm worng, of course [14:09] but Thunderbird is still great. I use it often === msm is now known as Guest30309 === Guest30309 is now known as msm_ [14:09] I'm on KDE, I use Thunderbird. [14:10] I only use Gmail now as a fallback, in case my main email account is unavailable [14:10] I use gmail for everything [14:10] Work also has gmail, so there's that :) [14:10] The NSA loves you. :-D [14:10] TwistedLucidity: we write open source software for local governments [14:10] I liked the gmail UI in the early days, but they really wrecked it [14:11] bashrc: nah, as long as you keep those "special" inbox features (tabs, priority inbox) disabled it's fine [14:11] MartijnVdS: Open source in local government? IT'S A MIRACLE! [14:11] Good job! [14:11] Cabinet office just stated their policy on government documents for the UK - ODF, baby [14:11] TwistedLucidity: case management :) [14:11] what about all that nonsense with the animated labels, and the incomprehensible icons [14:12] As I understand it. Mozilla didn't drop thunderbird they just said they were stopping developing it to concentrate efforts on for firefox os now that is done they have picked up thunderbird again I could be wrong though [14:12] bashrc: animated labels? which icons? (my buttons have text) [14:12] when you say "its a miracle" next thing that always pops into my mind is "a man doesnt just vanish like a fart into the wind" (double points if you know which movie...) [14:12] in the early days gmail was simple, like the web search, very minimalist [14:12] awilkins: Which ODF though? I thought MS's variant wasn't fully compatible with LibreOffice. [14:12] jussi: I get no points [14:13] TwistedLucidity: probably the ISO variant, if they're sane [14:13] http://standards.data.gov.uk/proposal/sharing-collaborating-government-documents [14:13] TwistedLucidity: also, PDF/A for archival :) [14:13] "Users are not required to buy new software to submit or work with government information" - therefore, LibreOffice [14:13] MartijnVdS: I thought the problem stemmed from the standard being a bit wooly about some things. So MS implemented in a way that was incompatible with everyone else. [14:13] TwistedLucidity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX6FmJAbdAg - about 20 seconds in... [14:14] TwistedLucidity: they've fixed most bugs I think [14:14] I didn't think is was a bug - I thought it was a deliberate tactic [14:15] sounds like IE6 [14:17] awilkins: As MS Word will export to MS's ODF variant; no new software is required. It would surpise me (in a good way) if the civil service/government switch to LibreOffice. But as they will no doubt have various integrations that are MS-only. That'll take time. [14:17] Still, going with some ODF variant is a good start [14:17] TwistedLucidity, Yeah - we need an Office of Office Software [14:18] TwistedLucidity, Just a fraction of what we spend yearly on MS Office licenses would make the OpenDocument Foundation ecstatically happy if we spent it on development [14:18] awilkins: The Office of the Minister of Office; chair of the Office Committe on Office. [14:21] This is what I was thinking of https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/odf-office (No real detail, sorry). Maybe the situation has been improved now. [14:23] There we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_software#Microsoft_Office_2007_SP2_support_controversy [14:23] Yeah, opening ODS sheets in Excel pretty much breaks them horribly [14:23] And the formatting is crap [14:23] Of course, part of that is the stupid focus on formatting and not document structure [14:25] formatting in wordprocessing docs - the first thing they teach you in school is actually not anything to do with proper document construction but "WHEEE BOLD" [14:26] I want to make all my users start writing their docs in Markdown [14:26] latex!!! :P [14:26] Only I discovered that Markdown has no tables except HTML [14:26] isn't org-mode a better option? [14:26] i.e. brain-dead simple [14:26] Anything that Pandoc understands [14:27] But has to be a good academic book format [14:27] Has to support references, footnotes, etc [14:27] I think org-mode does support those [14:27] for some reason people* don't understand that headings aren't a formatting feature (especially so when it comes to webpages) [* including colleagues] [14:29] I hate having to trawl through html that someone else created when asked to fix accessibility - practically every error is related to headings [14:30] ---=== under construction ===--- [14:30] e.g. the page begins with an h3 >.< [14:30] the reason it was an h3 was because "it had the style I wanted" [15:04] Thing is, trying to get people to not fuss over the looks is hard. Just get the info down, make it clear, tag it correctly (with whatever mark-up/down is being used) and let the appearance take care of itself [15:14] http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/02/10/how-google-used-motorola-to-smack-down-samsung-twice/ [15:14] funny [15:21] TwistedLucidity, Yeah, one of my primary gripes with helping my wife with her academic writings was that she'd contantly stress over the formatting, the page breaks, everthing, right the way through [15:21] Must add so much time to the document construction [15:22] It's easy to get sucked into though, give one the illusion of control === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [16:03] bitcoins are "cheap" nowadays [16:04] $300 instead of $900 [16:07] good luck actually buying those ones [16:10] is mgt gox shut then? [16:10] you can't withdraw bitcoins and it takes several weeks to withdraw fiat, so yes effectively [16:10] that's why the price there is the way it is [16:11] seems like gox lost all their customer's bitcoins to a noob mistake [16:12] binary horse staple? [16:12] no, *that* noob mistake hit months ago [16:12] or similar [16:12] someone paid a few million dust transactions into that wallet and then everyone tried to import it into their gox account [16:12] result: gox massively ddos'ed the network [16:13] gox is just one disaster after another [16:18] you know what the MtG bit of MtGox stands for, don't you? [16:19] of course i do [16:19] Magic the Gathering [16:19] someone reminds me nearly every day [16:19] a currency exchange formed from a site supporting a card game [16:19] yikes [16:19] the thing is though, the guy who originally set up a MtG exchange no longer owns it [16:20] he wisely sold it to someone else [16:21] it was originally founded by one of the developers of edonkey [16:22] he's now making a new exchange [16:22] meanwhile the people who bought gox have run it into the ground [16:24] regardless, makes me feel glad i have steered clear of bitcoin [16:24] edonkey [16:25] that brings back memories [16:25] edonkey and overnet... [16:25] napster [16:25] * neuro was more of an emule guy [16:25] limewire [16:25] suprnova [16:26] i've forgotten what app i used to download music back in 2000/2001 [16:26] ftp probably [16:26] nope [16:26] was p2p [16:26] well 2000 would have been napster [16:26] i ran it over dialup [16:26] that was painful [16:26] nope, it wasn't napster [16:26] before that it was ftp sites and clicking on adverts to get the login [16:27] and before that there was no music on the internet except midi [16:27] before 2000? [16:27] hahahahahaha [16:27] you're funny [16:27] no, before about 1997 [16:28] you're forgetting about ay, sid, mod ... [16:28] yeah, mod files [16:28] aaaaah audiogalaxy, that was it [16:29] I used to buy things from that dodgy Russian thing that sold audio files priced by the MB [16:30] jings, that's even worse than just copying/infringing :) [16:30] Despite the dodginess, they had the right business model [16:30] * Whatever format the customer wants, the customer gets [16:30] mp3free or something [16:30] * Charge a sensible price [16:30] I was downloading things in OGG6 [16:30] awilkins: i don't think the musicians got many pennys from it [16:31] if any [16:31] foobarry, They allegedly offered to pay the royalties owed but the MPAA refused in case it looked like it was a legitimate business model [16:32] awilkins: allofmp3? [16:32] That was the one [16:33] wow [16:33] the RIAA filed a lawsuit against them in 2006 [16:33] claiming infringement awards equal to $150,000 for each song downloaded between June and October 2006 [16:33] 11 million of them [16:34] the lawsuit was seeking $1.65tn damages, more than Russia's GDP [16:34] back from a day at the RAF museum with my boy [16:34] foobarry: nice, which one? [16:34] *the* one? [16:34] cosford? [16:34] hendon [16:35] right [16:35] there's two, i keep forgetting [16:35] "On May 20, 2008, the RIAA dropped all copyright infringement charges against AllOfMP3.com" [16:35] north circ was very wet [16:35] anything nice on static? [16:35]