[00:21] <gamerchick02> everything is awesomesauce, wolfger. how's it going?
[00:21] <gamerchick02> i've not said hi to you in a long time.
[00:21] <greg-g> :)
[00:21] <gamerchick02> and howdy greg-g
[00:24] <jrwren> the pvdisplay man page is wrong. *RAGE*
[00:26] <gamerchick02> that's unfortunate.
[00:26] <gamerchick02> :(
[00:36] <wolfger> hey gamerchick02 I was just asking about you the other day. Still working at Chrysler?
[00:36] <gamerchick02> i sure am!
[00:36] <gamerchick02> i'm still in Auburn Hills, still at my apartment, and still in the same department.
[00:37] <gamerchick02> i'd like to move to engineering but we'll see. it's been busy with the new MP/M1/M4 program that's ramping up.
[00:37] <gamerchick02> i'm not online during the day because my ID doesn't give me regular net access. it's fine, really... :-P
[00:38] <wolfger> Heheheh
[00:38] <jrwren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/1280037
[00:38] <jrwren> vote that it effects you, even if it doesn't... plz :)
[00:39] <wolfger> I moved on, sort of. I now work for Sandalwood, but doing more or less exactly the same job as before. I'm just strictly project based now, with the possibility of working for, say, Ford if there are no current projects from Chrysler
[00:39] <gamerchick02> oh. that's interesting!
[00:39] <gamerchick02> you like it?
[00:40] <gamerchick02> i'm still mucking in codep
[00:40] <gamerchick02> i can hardly wait til destination comes out and we can migrate away from codep. java is hinky
[00:41] <gamerchick02> or at least the oracle thing we use is hinky
[00:41] <gamerchick02> jrwren, i don't even know what that bug is about. :(
[00:42] <wolfger> If the bug makes jrwren unhappy, it affects me! ;-)
[00:42] <wolfger> It's much nicer than the old contract job. Sandalwood treats its people very well, and actually cares about them.
[00:43] <jrwren> gamerchick02: I've been a linux admin for nearly 20yrs now :p
[00:43] <gamerchick02> that's awesome, jrwren. :)
[00:43] <gamerchick02> and that's awesome, wolfger. RGBSI isn't so bad. i'd like to get into chrysler-fiat proper
[00:46] <wolfger> You mean FCTP? (I know, it's supposed to be FCA, but that is *not* an A in the logo, it's a teepee)
[00:46] <gamerchick02> i dont' know who came up with that.
[00:46] <gamerchick02> it's a dumb logo.
[00:50] <gamerchick02> if i say so myself. ahem.
[00:50] <gamerchick02> i understand what it means, but still.
[11:06] <cmaloney> morning
[11:16] <wolfger> morning
[11:27] <rick_h_> morning
[12:21] <wolfger> A lively crowd on a Friday...
[12:22] <rick_h_> yea, party party
[12:22] <rick_h_> TGIF
[12:22] <rick_h_> and all that
[12:30] <cmaloney> Yeah, can't wait for this week to be over. ;)
[12:32] <wolfger> Friday is just one day closer to having to fly back to Mexico. :-p
[12:34] <cmaloney> wolfger: when are you headed back?
[12:35] <wolfger> Monday
[12:35] <cmaloney> oh fun
[12:35] <cmaloney> so Sunday is make sure I have everything squared away day.
[12:35] <wolfger> Two weeks down, one week home.
[12:35] <cmaloney> That's no fun
[12:37] <wolfger> Eventually it will be two down, four home. That will be nice.
[12:38] <wolfger> And Mexico is warm, and good for the wallet, so there is a bright side or two
[12:38] <wolfger> I just hate travel
[12:45] <cmaloney> wolfger: I don't think there's anyone on the planet that enjoys travel
[12:45] <cmaloney> anyone sane that is.
[12:50] <wolfger> I'm not sure I know any sane people. I mean, a number of us look normal on the surface, but then you realize they actually *like* tiling wm's and such....
[12:53] <brousch> I don't use a tiling WM, just Kubuntu
[12:56] <wolfger> Just like me. And I know I'm not right in the head ;-)
[12:57] <brousch> You don't seem so bad
[12:57] <brousch> Though I don't think we've ever met in meatspace
[12:57] <wolfger> Heheh. Thanks!
[12:58] <wolfger> So you should come to Penguicon and rectify that
[13:12] <brousch> OK, I guess you are messed up. No sane person attends Penguicon
[13:13] <rick_h_> bingo!
[13:15] <wolfger> LOL
[13:21] <cmaloney> http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/valentines-day.do?code=DEAL
[13:22] <cmaloney> All pink books on sale
[13:24]  * wolfger shakes his head
[13:25] <brousch> I got a free copy of The Python cookbook as a give away at GRPUG. Flipping through it, it's a pretty good book
[13:25] <brousch> Basically 1 page per concept with example code and discussion
[13:26] <rick_h_> yea he did a good job on it
[13:26] <brousch> They should turn it into a phone-friendly app/ebook. Would be great for bathroom reading
[13:27] <brousch> Oooh, the early release Kivy book is $10
[14:51] <jrwren> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316  great leadership
[14:54] <rick_h_> yep, honestly the guys dealing with that have done great all around
[14:54] <rick_h_> <3
[14:58] <jrwren> i agree
[14:58] <jrwren> and its perfect timing IMO
[14:58] <jrwren> upstart and systemd have both matured to the point that there isn't a reason for both to continue forward. Time to pick one.
[14:59] <brousch> Not perfect. Perfect would be systemd default in 14.04
[14:59] <rick_h_> yea, not quite
[15:00] <jrwren> brousch: you want it and you want it now :)
[15:00] <rick_h_> get an LTS out and give 4 cycles to get things adjusted/right
[15:00] <rick_h_> that's good timing
[15:01] <brousch> 4 cycles!
[15:02] <rick_h_> LTS->LTS baby
[15:04] <jrwren> cant' you just throw 10 people at it and get it done in 4/10 of a cycle?
[15:07] <rick_h_> feature freeze is next week...no
[15:07] <brousch> That's 7 days! Plenty of time
[15:47] <akelling> RIP upstart
[15:47] <rick_h_> well how it goes away is still TBD
[15:49] <akelling> I am probley the only one who would rather have rc style startup scripts....
[15:49] <akelling> They are easy to understand and light weight.
[16:14] <greg-g> wait, it's going away?
[16:15] <greg-g> oh, /me looks at sabdfl's blog
[16:15]  * greg-g just got online
[16:17] <greg-g> wow
[16:17] <greg-g> cool
[16:17] <greg-g> well done mark
[17:36] <rick_h_> <3 https://twitter.com/fjsteele/status/434249935316615168
[19:06] <wolfger> rick_h_: that is awesome
[20:08] <rick_h_> a lifestyle pusher? cmaloney you shame me. What about tool appreciator? Productibity afficionado?
[20:10] <cmaloney> hah
[20:10] <cmaloney> I dunno...
[20:11] <cmaloney> Tiling Window Managers
[20:11] <cmaloney> Woodworking.
[20:11] <cmaloney> Standing Desks that go up and down
[20:12] <cmaloney> That one I havent done yet although I'm sitting on my ball
[20:12] <rick_h_> I did do the ball first :P
[20:12] <cmaloney> (bouncing, more like).
[20:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, I know
[20:15] <cmaloney> http://decafbad.net/2013/02/09/sitting-on-my-ball-chair/
[20:16] <cmaloney> HUh, I've been doing this for a year.
[20:16] <cmaloney> Happy anniversary ball chair
[20:16] <rick_h_> nice
[20:23] <brousch> cmaloney: Have you experienced any positive effects?
[20:23] <cmaloney> brousch: a bit
[20:23] <cmaloney> I still have a gut
[20:23] <cmaloney> I still slouch a bit
[20:23] <brousch> Well damn. I was hoping for a magic cure for that
[20:24] <cmaloney> On the plus side, my back doesn't hurt anymore
[20:24] <cmaloney> and my gut muscles are engaged throughout the day
[20:25] <cmaloney> it does encourage bouncing though
[20:29] <brousch> I bounce my legs all day
[20:30] <cmaloney> brousch: I didn't realize you were a drummer too.
[20:30] <brousch> I'm not
[20:30] <cmaloney> Well you're half-way there
[20:30] <brousch> I lean back a lot. I think the ball would make me less lazy
[20:31] <cmaloney> That it does
[20:31] <cmaloney> It does take some time to "adjust" though
[20:31] <cmaloney> And during the summer if you wear shorts you will sweat against it
[20:32] <cmaloney> I don't tend to wear shorts much
[20:32] <cmaloney> as evidenced by my chicken-legs that could pass for white-meat.
[20:33] <brousch> What ballchair are you using? Is that the rick_h_ approved ballchair?
[20:33] <brousch> No shorts at work
[20:33] <cmaloney> I'm using the Gaim one
[20:33] <brousch> Gaiam?
[20:33] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/Gaiam-Balance-Ball-Chair-Black/dp/B0007VB4NE
[20:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, that one.
[20:33] <brousch> Ga I am?
[20:33] <cmaloney> http://www.amazon.com/Isokinetics-Inc-Brand-Fitness-Chair/dp/B000VK5MRU/ref=pd_sim_sg_5
[20:33] <brousch> Decent price
[20:34] <cmaloney> If I were to do it again I'd probably get the isokinetics one
[20:34] <cmaloney> That one is adjustible
[20:34] <cmaloney> and the back is usable
[20:35] <cmaloney> the gaiam one doesn't have a usable back rest
[20:35] <cmaloney> it's mostly to keep you from killing yourself should you lean back
[20:36] <cmaloney> There's a bar on the front of the Gaiam chair that's supposed to keep the ball in place. That broke off on mine
[20:36] <cmaloney> but the well is enough that it keeps it in place
[20:36] <brousch> I have to determine if the benefits outweigh the constant ribbing from coworkers
[20:36] <cmaloney> I think that's to keep the ball from popping out if you use it for exercises and what-not
[20:36] <brousch> http://www.amazon.com/Isokinetics-Inc-Brand-Fitness-Chair/dp/B00FAY1BRW/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1392410133&sr=8-5&keywords=ball+chair
[20:37] <cmaloney> brousch: You'll get ribbed. no doubt about it.
[20:37] <brousch> I got ribbed a lot when I was standing
[20:37] <brousch> But now I'll be sitting on my balls all day
[21:03] <wolfger> ...
[21:04] <wolfger> I go back to what I said earlier today
[21:04] <wolfger> I don't think I know any sane people
[21:18] <brousch> rick_h_: No snow on the ground in Portland, OR, and they are not affected by the drought in CA. It really does look like paradise
[21:19] <rick_h_> brousch: +1
[21:19] <brousch> 8 years ago I was offered a job in Eugene