[02:38] <wrst> Omnifrog: how is the new arrival doing?
[02:38] <wrst> howdy chris4585
[02:39] <chris4585> hey wrst
[02:51] <wrst> all going well chris4585?
[02:59] <chris4585> wrst, yes, thanks for asking
[02:59] <wrst> great
[03:12] <chris4585> wrst, yourself?
[15:30] <wrst> Unit193: looks like ubuntu is headed to systemd also
[17:40] <FredN> hello TNteam
[17:41] <FredN> new member here
[17:41] <twayneprice> Hey FredN .  Welcome to Nashville.  :)
[17:42] <FredN> thanks
[18:21] <wrst> hello FredN
[18:23] <FredN> hi, glad to be a part of the team
[18:24] <wrst> FredN: Friday treating you well?
[19:00] <FredN> yes, very well, it's a long weekend for me
[19:00] <FredN> you?
[19:01] <wrst> not a long weekend for me, but my wife (teacher) will be rubbing it in all weekend
[19:03] <FredN> heh, my wife and i are both teachers
[19:04] <wrst> ahh makes sense, my wife teaches kindergarten
[19:06] <FredN> music here
[19:07] <wrst> sweet
[19:07] <wrst> something that gets way too forgotten in all the no child left behind, common core, etc
[19:08] <FredN> indeed, which is more or less what brings me to the ubuntu community et al
[19:09] <wrst> really?
[19:09] <wrst> I get a little frustrated when people speak about math scores this or that and they cut music to help math and that's being entirely counter intuitive
[19:10] <FredN> well on one hand the district i teach in could greatly benefit from using open source software
[19:11] <FredN> instead of wasting precious resources for the same effect
[19:12] <FredN> on the other, i don't know if "fighting the good fight" is for me
[19:12] <FredN> but we'll see
[19:12] <wrst> I think you have to choose your battles
[19:13] <FredN> definitely true
[19:13] <FredN> at this point, i am just finally pursuing a long time interest
[19:13] <wrst> I'm not an open source worshipper however so I choose the practical route most of the time
[19:13] <wrst> so FredN you running/using linux?
[19:14] <FredN> ubuntu LTS on my laptop
[19:15] <wrst> cool
[19:15] <FredN> used to be a windows machine, my wife downloaded every piece of malware she could find lol
[19:16] <FredN> couldn't recover
[19:16] <wrst> ha ha I know the feeling
[19:16] <FredN> so i switched to ubuntu
[19:16] <FredN> got a mac desktop
[19:16] <FredN> everything is safe so far
[19:16] <wrst> I run Arch Linux on my laptop, have my mom on Ubuntu
[19:16] <wrst> yep my wife is an iFanatic so she has a macbook
[19:17] <FredN> i was debating between MInt and Ubuntu
[19:17] <FredN> Ubuntu seems easier for newbs like me
[19:18] <FredN> at least easier to find support
[19:18] <FredN> but i'm getting the hang of it
[19:18] <FredN> trying to use the terminal a little more
[19:19] <wrst> FredN: lots of people in here really good providing support so don't hesitate to ask
[19:19] <wrst> Unit193: is pretty much expert on all things ubuntu and cyberanger as well
[19:19] <FredN> great
[19:20]  * cyberanger isn't a fan of unity either
[19:20] <wrst> and I can really help you mess things up if you want help doing that :)
[19:20] <cyberanger> so bonus points if it's xubuntu, lubuntu or kubuntu
[19:20] <cyberanger> and a real win for ubuntu server
[19:21] <FredN> no bonus points for me :/
[19:21] <wrst> ha ha FredN cyberanger is hard core
[19:21] <wrst> :)
[19:21] <cyberanger> FredN: that's ok, just like who's line, the points don't matter ;-)
[19:22] <FredN> ha
[19:22] <wrst> FredN: I'm assuming you are a musician since you teach music, tried any of the recording software like ardour or audacity ?
[19:22] <wrst> or looked at ubuntu studio ?
[19:23] <FredN> looked at audacity once, haven't needed them yet
[19:24] <wrst> prety neat stuff, we use audacity to record at church with good results especially considering what I'm running it on
[19:25] <FredN> yea since we have the mac, i use garageband from time to time
[19:25] <FredN> to play with myself for lack of a better phrase
[19:25] <wrst> ha ha
[19:26] <wrst> we used that a few weeks ago to create a loop worked pretty well, a little limiting but really quick and sounded nice
[19:31] <cyberanger> FredN: solo practice might be that better word
[19:31] <cyberanger> but is it really practice if your just jamming
[19:32] <FredN> more like playing all parts of a quartet
[19:33] <FredN> but i do play jazz
[19:33] <wrst> well, FredN you are way over my head musically :)
[19:34] <cyberanger> Nice, I'm more of a rock fan, but I love Jazz & Blues too
[19:35] <cyberanger> probally my second favorite genre
[19:35] <FredN> that's ok you guys are way over my head technologically
[19:35] <wrst> oh I'm probably not :)
[19:37]  * cyberanger whistles innocently while trying to decide how to reply there
[19:37] <wrst> ha
[19:38] <cyberanger> still, sometimes you want real instruments, no sampling, no synthisizers
[19:38] <cyberanger> and you need talent there too
[19:38] <FredN> being a trombone player sets me pretty firmly in the acoustic category
[19:39] <cyberanger> I listen to real talent on pandora while fixing firewalls & such (my real talent I guess)
[19:39] <FredN> though i once saw a jazz guy from CO go to town through a crazy electric setup
[19:39] <wrst> I'm too out of shape for that :)
[19:39] <wrst> even if my wife does say I'm full of hot air
[19:40] <FredN> haha
[19:40] <cyberanger> I've heard some acoustic stuff that I thought sounded better than the main track
[19:40] <FredN> it's all about efficiency
[19:41] <cyberanger> just becuase of how they had to adapt to playing with no post production
[19:41] <FredN> depends what you want to hear
[19:41] <FredN> ear candy (uber-produced, autotuned etc)
[19:42] <FredN> or a performance that makes music a human thing
[19:42] <wrst> ear candy is not so sweet for my taste
[19:42] <cyberanger> true, there's a difference to overlay of vocals, vs dubstep
[19:42] <FredN> nothing wrong with tweaking this and that in the studio
[19:42] <FredN> but there is a line
[19:43] <wrst> agreed
[19:43] <cyberanger> yeah, agreed, same as there is nothing wrong with trying something different in a live set (like a radio studio) or show
[19:44] <cyberanger> and there's nothing wrong with a good cover like what nirvana did with bowie's the man who sold the world
[19:44] <FredN> yep
[19:47] <cyberanger> I can tell you must really like teaching music
[19:48] <cyberanger> still have passion for it, those were the teachers I liked, easier to enjoy it without the burnout
[19:48] <cyberanger> easier to learn what you enjoy
[19:51] <Unit193> wrst: I don't know *Ubuntu* hardly at all, never use Unity.  And where did you see the sysd bit?
[19:51] <wrst> Unit193: check shuttleworth's blog
[19:52] <FredN> well i will always have passion for music and teaching music, fortunately the public school system is not the only avenue
[19:53] <wrst> Unit193: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[19:54] <Unit193> wrst: Hah, with how much you like it and all, you sure look at that thing more than I do. :P
[19:54] <wrst> I follow jono bacon on G+ I'm not antibuntu Unit193 :P
[19:54] <wrst> and that makes me like it more actually
[19:55] <Unit193> I don't. :P
[19:56] <cyberanger> FredN: yeah, that helps, public school half my life, boarding school the other half
[19:57] <cyberanger> and you'll notice, we're not a typical loco, some of us are bigger fans of other distros
[19:57] <cyberanger> I don't think any are anti-ubuntu, just preferences shift over time
[19:58] <wrst> yep but we all use, support, and install ubuntu in some way or fashion
[19:58]  * Unit193 mainly Xubuntu.
[19:58] <cyberanger> well, or we fake it at least >:-)
[19:59] <FredN> i can imagine i will change tastes over time, ubuntu is just the part of the pool where i got my feet wet
[19:59] <cyberanger> Ubuntu Server, Debian custom builds (Ubuntu is based off the Debian distro) and Kali linux (also based off of Debian)
[20:00] <cyberanger> wrst will tell you to forget getting your feet wet, just jump in the deep end with arch linux
[20:00] <cyberanger> well, actually wrst won't, but many arch users do say stuff like that
[20:01] <wrst> yeah arch users that say that aren't real bright :)
[20:01] <FredN> hah
[20:01] <wrst> I think for sane people ubuntu is really good and debian also if you want something a little different sometime
[20:02] <FredN> so i would like to contribute more than being an enthusiastic user
[20:02] <FredN> been searching around for a place to start
[20:04] <cyberanger> that depends on skillset to a point, can you code, translate, document, have the paitence for support etc.
[20:04] <cyberanger> I can barely do one of those things
[20:05] <wrst> FredN: just as you ask that question, this comes across my twitter feed: http://ubuntusense.com/2014/02/14/ubuntu-documentation-day-2014/
[20:06] <FredN> haha yea, skills are limited
[20:07] <FredN> wrst: thanks
[20:07] <FredN> seems like what i'm looking for
[20:08] <cyberanger> skills maybe limited, but the bigger issue is when even limited skills are wasted
[20:08] <cyberanger> or some saying like that
[20:09]  * cyberanger tries to recall that saying from middle school
[22:07] <cyberanger> gotta love znc
[22:08]  * wrst points cyberanger to quassel
[22:10]  * cyberanger points rifle at quassel
[22:10]  * cyberanger holds fire, checks for hunting permit
[22:11] <cyberanger> wrst: how do you use a webchat client with quassel
[22:13] <wrst> I don't, just use my phone if i'm in that need
[22:13] <wrst> but don't think that is possible
[22:13] <cyberanger> not only is that possible with znc, I have kiwi irc setup just for that reason
[22:14] <wrst> yep because znc is just an irc server that connects to another irc server :)
[22:15] <cyberanger> exactly, only now it's one that does so securely without errors (which would have annoyed anyone I may offer an account for it
[22:15] <wrst> cool :)
[22:15] <cyberanger> but I'll still keep an eye on the cert, despite having a valid and "trusted" CA sign it)
[22:16] <cyberanger> FredN: one thing you'll notice about me, I am a bit overkill with security
[22:17] <FredN> better safe than sorry i say
[22:17]  * cyberanger isn't paranoid, it's just...well....everybody is out to get me, that's all
[22:17] <wrst> ha :)
[22:18]  * cyberanger might want to back off that joke a little, use it too much and people might forget it's a joke
[22:19] <cyberanger> wrst: tried smuxi
[22:20] <cyberanger> ?
[22:20] <Unit193> Sounded interesting actually, just don't like that it's mono.
[22:20] <wrst> yes
[22:20] <Unit193> ncurses, gtk, and qt UIs.
[22:20] <wrst> you would think I would love it since its gtk
[22:20] <wrst> but harder to set up
[22:20] <wrst> so never been motivated to learn
[22:23] <wrst> also not for sure on an android client?
[22:25] <cyberanger> not sure either, ncurses is my ideal client, but then I gotta have something for android (andchat in my case) and days where I'm not at my computer for one reason or another (kiwi irc or pchat portable)
[22:25] <cyberanger> znc meets this best since it's able to be used with anything
[22:25] <wrst> yep and with znc could use a native android client
[22:28] <cyberanger> or pick up an iphone or windows phone, or even just a feature phone and install any irc client and go (why would I ever do any of this, maybe I'm in a jam and a used blackberry was cheap)
[22:29] <cyberanger> just saying, I like keeping options open
[22:38] <FredN> so i'm using xchat
[22:38] <FredN> seems super basic compared to quassel
[22:40] <FredN> but i haven't looked into any of xchat's features yet either
[23:41] <wrst> Omnifrog: all doing well?
[23:44] <Omnifrog> hi wrst
[23:44] <Omnifrog> recovering well from the snowpocalypse
[23:45] <Omnifrog> how's the frozen tundra there?
[23:45]  * cyberanger debates that, but conceeds it's unusual down there