[00:01] <RexInEffect> how can i search a info output in terminal
[00:02] <lickalott> Raghh, does another OS detect it?  sounds like a hardware thing, not a software thing
[00:03] <Worm_in_a_Box>  Is there  any good application for learning english on the reps ?
[00:03] <Raghh> Lickalott yea, i already installed W7 Ult on it earlier today, and wanted to install Ubuntu on it now, since ubuntu is my main choice
[00:03] <lickalott> what steps are you taking?  what selections did you make?
[00:04] <Raghh> im giving the "choice" to install alongside W7, but whenever i proceed in the installation process, i can only chose to install on my 1TB HDD
[00:05] <Jordan_U> Raghh: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[00:11] <daftykins> i smell UEFI
[00:11] <Arceye> Is there any reason why installing 10.04 desktop would be a bad idea ?
[00:11] <daftykins> it's eol
[00:11] <daftykins> !eol
[00:11] <holstein> Arceye: its not supported
[00:11] <daftykins> so don't do it. if you had any questions we'd have to refuse to help
[00:11] <holstein> and the repos are dead
[00:12] <Arceye> I have a choice 10.04   or back to winXP   which is also EOL soon
[00:12] <daftykins> why, are you dealing with a very old slow system?
[00:12] <Arceye> AMD64 3700+   2 Gb ram
[00:12] <holstein> Arceye: you should be able to use 12.04 on anything 10.04 would run.. but, you should elaborate, or, you are welcom to support 10.04 on your own
[00:12] <daftykins> wow that's nowhere near as bad as i was expecting
[00:13] <daftykins> Arceye: or consider running a derivative such as xubuntu/lubuntu
[00:13] <Arceye> holstein  , Sorry I tried 12.04 runs like crap  even using gnome classic
[00:13] <gordonjcp> Arceye: why are you trying to run a four-year-old distro on a fast machine like that?
[00:13] <holstein> Arceye: use xubuntu.. xfce or lxde
[00:13] <gordonjcp> Arceye: that'll run normal Ubuntu just fine, at least with 12.04
[00:13] <holstein> Arceye: also look at the graphics drivers
[00:13] <daftykins> i'd imagine it's graphics letting it down
[00:13] <gskellig> so when i have a startup command it doesn't seem to work but when i run exactly the same command from a terminal it does work
[00:14] <gskellig> any ideas?
[00:14] <gskellig> its not run as root
[00:14] <gordonjcp> Arceye: I'm running normal Ubuntu on a 1.6GHz Pentium M with 2GB
[00:14] <holstein> gskellig: how are you implementing it in startup? id say that is done incorrectly
[00:14] <Arceye> what is letting me down is just running the system monitor  ( nothing else )   and I am using 20% cpu
[00:14] <gskellig> holstein, the "startup applications preferences" application
[00:15] <holstein> Arceye: 10.04 is eol.. you are welcome to support it and use it on your own, or get with troubleshooting 12.04.. are you running xfce on 12.04?
  I in no way wish to be rude here, but the default install of 12.04 will not run on my system
[00:15] <holstein> Arceye: sure.. run xubuntu.. or lubuntu.. though, as said above, its likely the graphics driver/hardware, and not the 12.04 that is the issue..
[00:16] <Arceye> then can I get real gfx drivers   for ATI radeon
[00:16] <RexInEffect> i opened a .sh file in terminal and it started download a bunch of stuff is that normal? it is installing an app right?
[00:16] <holstein> !ati | Arceye
[00:16] <holstein> Arceye: nothing about ubuntu is preventing that
[00:17] <holstein> Arceye: but, if you cant, xfce or lxde, as suggested, would be a "better" fit..
[00:17] <Arceye> which is lowest resource use ?
[00:17] <holstein> !lubuntu
[00:17] <holstein> Arceye: if it were me, i would try them both and see..
[00:18] <holstein> Arceye: xfce is not "heavy" and is much like gnome in 10.04 in look and feel
[00:19] <Arceye> downloading now
[00:19] <daftykins> Arceye: if it's really running badly, you may want to tell us what graphics hardware it's running, plus identify whether the disks are old / damaged to be letting it down
[00:19] <gskellig> is something wrong with the startup applications program? Should I use something else?
[00:19] <Jordan_U> RexInEffect: An executable file can do essentially whatever it wants, which is why you should be very careful when running executable files (and it's usually possible to install software from trusted repositories instead, where someone has checked that the package is not mallicious). Where did you get this file from and what is your end goal?
[00:20] <Arceye> current pc spec is   AMD athlon64 3700+ 2Gb ram
[00:20] <Jordan_U> gskellig: What command? What is your end goal?
[00:20] <gordonjcp> Arceye: that's more than enough to run Unity
[00:20] <gskellig> launch synergy server with "synergys -c ~/.synergy.conf
[00:20] <Arceye> all I want is something to run as well as XP does
[00:21] <RexInEffect> Jordan_U, it just finished, it took forever tho, it was to install multisystem
[00:21] <xangua> gskellig: wrong with what?
[00:21] <gordonjcp> Arceye: what kind of gaphics card does it have?
[00:21] <gordonjcp> *graphics
[00:21] <Arceye> ati3600 HD
[00:21] <holstein> Arceye: have you tried the ati driver?
[00:21] <gskellig> "startup applications preferences" window xangua is not working for me. If I run the exact same command in terminal it works fine
[00:22] <Arceye> no I installed the OS    saw how pathetic it was running then decided my pc wasn't good enough
[00:22] <holstein> Arceye: i would run lubuntu 13.10 on that hardware.. and have installed it on much less this week
[00:22] <Arceye> Lubuntu is downloading right now
[00:22] <Arceye> 1 min left
[00:23] <hewhomust>  hilight_nick_matches = ON
[00:24] <mmhun> I have two computers on the same network and one of them can ssh to a remote server but the other one can't and I can't figure out why. Can anyone help me/point me to where to look?
[00:24] <holstein> mmhun: firewall? i usually just drop them all and test if its not a security issue
[00:25] <Arceye> writing lubuntu cd
[00:25] <mmhun> well I'm at a dorm and so I can't really drop any firewalls. but both my laptop (ssh works) and the other box (ssh connection times out) are on the same network so I think it would be surprisingly if it were a firewall issue..?
[00:25] <mmhun> it would be surprising*
[00:26] <gskellig> hello? is there something else i should be using for startup commands
[00:26] <Raghh> i got my problem solved, thx Holstein
[00:26] <holstein> Raghh: cheers!
[00:27] <Jordan_U> gskellig: Commands entered in the startup manager are not interpreted by a shell, and thus '~/' is not expanded to /home/you/.
[00:28] <mmhun> holstein: running nmap on the machine for which ssh doesn't work shows port 22 as filtered.
[00:28] <gskellig> Jordan_U, thank you
[00:28] <Jordan_U> gskellig: You're welcome.
[00:29] <gskellig> aanndd that worked
[00:29] <gskellig> =D
[00:29] <Arceye> I just had a look at that link for the gfx card how to,    it looks to be a lot of hassle :(
[00:29] <holstein> Arceye: the driver is in the repos
[00:30] <holstein> Arceye: its a matter of looking and seeing what package supports your device
[00:30] <Arceye> i'll give it a go ...    expect lots of questions :)
[00:30] <Raghh> What is the command to change swappiness again?
[00:31] <Raghh> and the lowest value ? :)
[00:31] <bekks> vi /etc/sysctl.conf
[00:31] <bekks> sysctl -p
[00:31] <bekks> sysctl -a
[00:31] <Arceye> lubuntu install has begun
[00:32] <unitypunk> can anyone help me build a custom live disc?
[00:32] <holstein> unitypunk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization is where i would start
[00:33] <c2tarun> Hi friends, can anyone please look at this script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6928605/ and please tell me that why am I getting this error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6928611/
[00:33] <c2tarun> its a very small if statement. ^^
[00:35] <wrongplace> how do I reset a mysql password?
[00:36] <wrongplace> In order to log into MySQL to secure it, we'll need the current
[00:36] <wrongplace> password for the root user.  If you've just installed MySQL, and
[00:36] <wrongplace> you haven't set the root password yet, the password will be blank,
[00:36] <wrongplace> so you should just press enter here.
[00:36] <holstein> wrongplace: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset
[00:36] <wrongplace> apparently I entered a password sometime in the last 3 years...
[00:36] <unitypunk> holstein, it fails, theres a bug with uck and 12.04.
[00:36] <holstein> unitypunk: ok
[00:37] <Arceye> Ext4 or Ext3 for /
[00:37] <unitypunk> basicly im trying to create my own personal headless mining live disc
[00:37] <holstein> Arceye: i let th installer do it automatically.. which is ext4
[00:38] <Arceye> I can't let the installer do it auto   , the drive has other partitions which I need to keep
[00:38] <Arceye> but if it's auto ext4 then I will do ext4
[00:38] <hewhomust> i want to use mupdf as my default pdf viewer, however when i go into properties there is no entry is there another way to do it?
[00:42] <RexInEffect> i need some help with partitioning guys, i have 100 gigs left on my drive but gparted only lets me make a primary with it
[00:43] <Jordan_U> RexInEffect: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[00:43] <RexInEffect> o cool ok ill do it
[00:44] <nvrpunk> whats the channel for tahr?
[00:44] <Jordan_U> RexInEffect: There are fundamental (and annoying) limitations to msdos partition tables, for example you can only have one extended partition within which logical partitions can be made. You're probably up against such a limitation, and your options for working around it depend on your exact configuration.
[00:45] <hewhomust> #ubuntu-devel
[00:45] <RexInEffect> yea i messed it up
[00:45] <RexInEffect> here is the pastebin for anyone who wantrs to he;[p
[00:45] <RexInEffect> http://pastebin.com/r2AR5JpE
[00:46] <psusi> hewhomust, nvrpunk, no that would be #ubuntu+1
[00:46] <psusi> ack... that was meant for hewhomust
[00:46] <psusi> bah.. now I just can't read...
[00:46] <RexInEffect> so there you will see 1 -100mb windows crap, 2 429 gig windows install, 3 is ubuntu with 2 logicals in it and number 7 is what i want for another linux install
[00:47] <RexInEffect> i can use the same swap for both linux install right?
[00:47] <hewhomust> yeah
[00:47] <RexInEffect> so then my last, number 7 partition has to be my / and /home both on one i guess....right?
[00:48] <RexInEffect> as a primary
[00:48] <Jordan_U> RexInEffect: Yes, though you can't hibernate one then use the same swap for the other.
[00:48] <RexInEffect> o yea i heard about that ill just turn it off on both
[00:48] <psusi> you must never hibernate one OS then boot into the other
[00:49] <psusi> RexInEffect, looks like you have some unused space at the end of the drive you can expand the extended partition into
[00:49] <RexInEffect> psusi, see thats what i thought too, but i click on my extended part and it wont give option to resize
[00:49] <RexInEffect> but that is because its mounted and im using it right now with this linux on it right?
[00:49] <RexInEffect> so if i boot to gparted maybe?
[00:50] <psusi> RexInEffect, is there a lock icon next to it?  You have to unmount all logical partitions
[00:50] <RexInEffect> a lock? where would that be? gparted...
[00:50] <psusi> yea... in the gparted display right next to the partition
[00:51] <psusi> actually the icon is a key, rather than a lock
[00:51] <RexInEffect> oh yea
[00:51] <RexInEffect> they locked
[00:51] <RexInEffect> but i cant unmount if im using them with this ubuntu im on can i?
[00:51] <z1haze> will someone please be willing to help me fix the ownership of my root folder, as i messed it all up
[00:51] <psusi> RexInEffect, correct... you will need to boot from the livecd
[00:52] <RexInEffect> so yea, ill just extend my extended partition to create more logical partitions
[00:52] <psusi> z1haze, define "messed it all up"
[00:52] <z1haze> i did a chown -R / instead of ./ and it messed up ownerships
[00:52] <RexInEffect> how many logicals can i have in an extended?
[00:52] <psusi> z1haze, time to reinstall...
[00:52] <z1haze> i cant
[00:53] <z1haze> its not local and i dont have anyway to get ahold of anyone to do it
[00:53] <psusi> z1haze, restore from backup
[00:53] <Arceye> install complete first reboot happening
[00:53] <z1haze> where are backups?
[00:53] <psusi> hah, wherever you put them when you made them..
[00:53] <senthilkumar> any one to help me with debian screen resolution? - installed twice with in today :-( some one could help with their knowledge
[00:54] <z1haze> lol i hadnt done any of that man :(
[00:54] <psusi> then you're screwed...
[00:54] <z1haze> why cant it be fixed? :(
[00:54] <z1haze> can't just go back and redo the chown -R for the right folders
[00:54] <z1haze> i just dont know what goes where
[00:54] <RexInEffect> is there a way to pull gparted off my ubuntu to stick it onto bootable usb or do i have to download the 150gb gparted live cd iso?
[00:55] <phoenixyz> 150gb?
[00:55] <RexInEffect> mb
[00:55] <RexInEffect> *
[00:55] <psusi> z1haze, and that's the problem... there's a million files that need their ownership changed to various things, and some of them will also need chmoded too
[00:56] <psusi> RexInEffect, you can use the cd you installed Ubuntu from
[00:56] <z1haze> but arent most files within the folder the same owners?
[00:56] <z1haze> i can show u what my ls -ls looks like if that would help
[00:56] <z1haze> it didnt go fully
[00:56] <z1haze> it only ran for a few seconds before i stopped it
[00:56] <psusi> z1haze, most are... some aren't... some are suid, which got reset when you chowned...
[00:56] <z1haze> i stoppe it almost instantly
[00:57] <z1haze> i can sudo tho
[00:57] <psusi> ohh, if you didn't sudo, then nothing happened
[00:57] <z1haze> i was root
[00:57] <z1haze> i just want someone to please look and try to help thats all im asking
[00:58] <psusi> there's too much to look at... like I said, there's a million files on the system
[00:58] <z1haze> even if i cancelled it immediately
[00:58] <z1haze> no way it did a million files in 2 seconds
[00:58] <psusi> well if you were quick enough, then maybe no harm done
[00:59] <z1haze> can u try? if u dont care i would really really appreciate it.. i dont have a way to reformat
[00:59] <psusi> everything actually in the root directory itself should be owned by root..  so chown that back and hope it didn't get any further
[01:00] <z1haze> in /root?
[01:00] <psusi> no, in /
[01:00] <z1haze> ok yea some of them have gotten changed
[01:00] <z1haze> can i show u
[01:00] <psusi> no
[01:01] <z1haze> ok cool
[01:01] <psusi> just sudo chown root.root /*
[01:01] <z1haze> root.root?
[01:01] <psusi> user.group
[01:01] <z1haze> i thought it was root:root
[01:01] <z1haze> same thing?
[01:01] <psusi> chown uses a dot
[01:01] <z1haze> oh
[01:02] <z1haze> ok ill do that
[01:02] <phoenixyz> afaik it uses a :
[01:02] <psusi> ohh, actually I guess it does say it takes  a colon
[01:02] <phoenixyz> chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE...
[01:02] <psusi> I've always used a dot... mabye they changed it at some point
[01:02] <z1haze> ok now what
[01:02] <psusi> and kept the old behavior for backward compatibility for us old fogies
[01:03] <psusi> hope that's all that got changed
[01:03] <RexInEffect> do you guys know how to disable hibernation ubuntu 13.10 so i can share swap partition?
[01:03] <wrongplace> service2 apache restart returns fail, what do I do?
[01:03] <z1haze> hope? how can i check
[01:03] <wrongplace> im installing owncloud
[01:04] <xangua> RexInEffect: Hibernation is disabled in ubuntu by default
[01:04] <wrongplace> ignore the questin+
[01:04] <RexInEffect> xangua, is there a way to double check u know of?
[01:04] <z1haze> well i just cd into another directory just to see; i went into /tmp and its still owned by the user i chdowned too
[01:05] <RexInEffect> xangua, top right of screen, i can click on suspend
[01:05] <RexInEffect> i dotn think its off man
[01:05] <z1haze> if i chown everything root:root what happens
[01:05] <xangua> RexInEffect: suspend is not hibernate
[01:05] <RexInEffect> hmm
[01:05] <z1haze> cause more got changed the files within this main folder still have the stuff i had done
[01:06] <psusi> z1haze, if you try to chown root:root -R /, you will break your system
[01:06] <z1haze> ok
[01:07] <Jordan_U> z1haze: What is the exact command that you ran?
[01:07] <z1haze> chown -R user:group /
[01:07] <z1haze> instead of ./
[01:08] <z1haze> it only ran for a limited time, i know computers are fast but its not like it was doing it for 20 minutes or aynthing
[01:08] <RexInEffect> k thanks guys im gonna try this new install be baack later
[01:08] <z1haze> i dont have a way to reinstall, i just need some friendly help :(
[01:09] <Jordan_U> z1haze: OK, then we can search for files with that user and group, and if there are few enough of them we may be able to figure out the right ownership for those files and restore it. But I wouldn't get your hopes up. It will likely be a lot of work, and your system may crash before you're finished.
[01:09] <psusi> z1haze, there isn't really any help for it; you just have to poke around and see what you changed, and change it back
[01:09] <z1haze> ok jordan! ill do it
[01:09] <z1haze> i did this 3 days ago and theres 2 game servers running on it, it hasnt crashed yet
[01:10] <z1haze> just have some issues with mysql
[01:10] <phoenixyz> always use -v when using chown with -R
[01:10] <z1haze> oh ok what does that do
[01:10] <phoenixyz> that way you can reverse what happened
[01:10] <phoenixyz> it prints what is changed
[01:10] <z1haze> ah
[01:10] <sakter12> where can i get the default .bashrc for ubuntu 13.10?
[01:11] <unitypunk> anyone got a second to help me build a custom live distro?
[01:11] <z1haze> jordan i will definitely try to do what u said, how can i lookup the files owned by the user:group i chowned?! im optimistic now
[01:11] <z1haze> also, would there be a log of all the files that changed? even if i didnt do -v
[01:12] <phoenixyz> you could try installing a fresh ubuntu in a vm
[01:12] <phoenixyz> and then doing chown -Rv /
[01:12] <phoenixyz> and look at what is changed
[01:12] <Arceye> ok first problem I have a 4 channel sound card and only getting sound from 2 channels
[01:13] <z1haze> phoenixyz, i really dont know the first thing you just mentioned, is it difficult?
[01:13] <Jordan_U> z1haze: sudo find / -user foo -group bar > file_list.txt
[01:13] <phoenixyz> well, install the same version of ubuntu you currently have for example in vmware player or virtualbox
[01:14] <z1haze> doing that now Jordan_U
[01:14] <sakter12> or restore default bashrc
[01:14] <DANtheBEASTman> sakter12: defaults are almost always in /etc bashrc should be /etc/bash.bashrc or similar
[01:15] <z1haze> Jordan_U it said a bunch of no such file or directory
[01:15] <Jordan_U> z1haze: Please post an example error message (no more than one line).
[01:16] <slin> Just if its not to much off topic can i ask a native english speeker to just take a look to my homework? its very short but importent and my english is ma mix of israeli english, indian english, and german english,... this it is would be great http://pastebin.com/MeA9iFYz
[01:16] <z1haze> it created the file and oh my.
[01:16] <Jordan_U> slin: Try #ubuntu-offtopic.
[01:16] <z1haze> the last line in notepad is 27255 :(
[01:17] <Tuck_C_Dough> d-link router. linksys - Dir-615 - even on ethernet cable, internet connection drops, UNABLE TO CONNECT TO 192.168.0.1
[01:17] <z1haze> i dont see how tho i cancelled it fast
[01:17] <slin> thanks Jordan_U
[01:17] <Tuck_C_Dough> router KEEPS dropping connection for no reason even now
[01:17] <Jordan_U> slin: You're welcome.
[01:17] <z1haze> they are all from the /usr directory tho and a couple from /tmp
[01:18] <Tuck_C_Dough> terminal says  bash: http://192.168.0.1 No such file or directory
[01:18] <z1haze> holy cow, it was only a piece
[01:18] <Arceye> how do I change screen resolution and make second monitor not be a duplicate of the first ?
[01:19] <holstein> Arceye:  use arandr
[01:19] <holstein> !info arandr
[01:19] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: What are you trying to do, and what command did you run?
[01:19] <holstein> Arceye: that should read "i use arandr"..
[01:19] <Tuck_C_Dough> @jordan_U fuck man just connect to the damn router so i can set the connect to always on instead of on demand
[01:20] <holstein> !language
[01:20] <deitarion> gdebi-gtk only takes local package names and apt-url expects a URI. Does anyone know how to get a package installation GUI with plain old package names?
[01:20] <z1haze> Jordan_U i think it generated like a 400mb text file
[01:20] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, ffs man, that's a URL... you put it in your web browser...
[01:20] <deitarion> s/local package names/local package filenames/
[01:21] <Tuck_C_Dough> zackly
[01:21] <Tuck_C_Dough> and IT DOES NOT WORK
[01:21] <Arceye> installing arndr  whatever that is
[01:21] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, no... you said you put it in the terminal
[01:21] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: sounds like a hardware issue..
[01:21] <Tuck_C_Dough> ffs yes i know its a url. ffs yes. in terminal i typed $epiphany http://192.168.0.1
[01:22] <Tuck_C_Dough> how can i be talking to irc on the modem, connected to the internet, and I am unable in firefox, in chromium, and in epiphany, TOTALLY unable to connect to the router
[01:22] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: you should try pinging.. "ping 192.168.0.1"
[01:22] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, why in gods green earth would you try to give a url to a game on the command line?  open firefox, and paste it there...
[01:23] <Jordan_U> z1haze: 400 MiB sounds far too large to be a result of that command. What is the exact command you ran, and how are you trying to determine the size of the file?
[01:23] <Tuck_C_Dough> you aren't helping psusi
[01:23] <psusi> ohh wait... not that epiphany...
[01:23] <Tuck_C_Dough> see above psusi
[01:23] <Tuck_C_Dough> no luck in firefox
[01:23] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: whats the error in ff?
[01:23] <z1haze> i ran the command that u told me to 1 sec let me pull the history
[01:23] <Tuck_C_Dough> no luck in chromium
[01:23] <Tuck_C_Dough> yet i am talking to you on it
[01:23] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, well if the router has crapped out, you will need to go reboot it
[01:24] <z1haze> Jordan_U find / -user minecraft -group mcserver > file_list.txt
[01:24] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: stop trying browers... can you ping the gateway?
[01:24] <Tuck_C_Dough> it has NOT crapped. out
[01:24] <z1haze> Jordan_U heres the file http://backconnect.net/file_list.txt
[01:24] <psusi> you said it dropped connection and now you can't connect to it.... that sure sounds crapped out
[01:24] <Tuck_C_Dough> 192.168.0.1 yeah? thats should be the ip for the router yah? ping sent.
[01:25] <Tuck_C_Dough> no i did not say that psusi
[01:25] <z1haze> it looks like it just pasted every single file in the whole server
[01:25] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: what are you tring to do? open the admin page? and its not opening? thats the only issue?
[01:25] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: did you literally enter '$epiphany http://192.168.0.1' or did you enter 'epiphany http://192.168.0.1'?
[01:25] <Tuck_C_Dough> ping did not respond
[01:25] <Tuck_C_Dough> 100% packet loss to the ip
[01:26] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: could be as simple as your dns settings
[01:26] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: could be anything.. what have you changed recently? is this a new problem?
[01:26] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, then it's crapped out, go reboot it...
[01:26] <holstein> i would restart my router, if it werent responding..
[01:26] <Tuck_C_Dough> alls i want to do is sign into the routers page
[01:26] <psusi> or you have the wrong address....
[01:27] <Tuck_C_Dough> i'm talking to you people using the same damn router
[01:27] <Tuck_C_Dough> so i am obviously connected
[01:27] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: if you cant ping it, you wont get the page to laod
[01:27] <psusi> then you are using the wrong address
[01:27] <holstein> load*
[01:27] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: what is your ip? 192.168.0.* ? could it be the router is actuallly 192.168.1.1 ?
[01:27] <medfly> hello I have libpng but this thing says libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:27] <Tuck_C_Dough> i want to sign into the router to change the default linksys setting from "on demand" to "always on"
[01:28] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: what is your ip?
[01:32] <z1haze> Jordan_U is it a lost cause i guess?
[01:32] <linux_dr> Has anyone here death with using C++11 and helgrind together?
[01:34] <somsip> linux_dr: a C channel might be better for you (see !alis)
[01:35] <linux_dr> somsip: I think this question might be more distro-relevant...
[01:36] <linux_dr> basically I need a special build of libstd++.so for debugging, and am not sure an ubuntu friendly way of having it coexist with the system-wide libstd++.so
[01:36] <somsip> linux_dr: fair enough. Never seen it discussed here before, but there is a chance of other users of the same being here
[01:36] <EricBlade> hey guys. i just recently upgraded 11.10 -> 12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.10 (over the last few months, not all at once) ... and i'm having some issues.  the really big nasty one, is that all my USB ports shut off after about 20 minutes, and nothing seems to turn them back on.  any ideas?
[01:36] <EricBlade> it worked fine in 12.10
[01:38] <linux_dr> somsip: There is a more general question, that is definitely distro related: how do you manage having multiple builds of the same .so interoperate properly on an Ubuntu system?
[01:38] <EricBlade> device is a laptop, and the usb ports are attached to a docking station. my guess is that it's auto-suspending usb after some length of idle time, but googling doesn't seem to be giving me any answers that look like they relate entirely.
[01:38] <linux_dr> ok... interoperate is probably the wrong word... I need some binaries to use one, and others to use the other.
[01:39] <EricBlade> linux_dr: library versioning?
[01:39] <linux_dr> In this case, they are the same version with different build flags.
[01:40] <EricBlade> that's probably not so good. you'll probably need to dlopen the specific one you want
[01:40] <z1haze> is the /usr directory all owned by root:root?
[01:40] <Jordan_U> z1haze: Seems so. You should back up the important files on that server as soon as possible, it could go down at any minute, and likely won't boot successfully.
[01:40] <EricBlade> and that's about as much help as i'm good for, because i've never actually used dlopen on it's own
[01:41] <z1haze> i dont have a way to back up that much information
[01:41] <linux_dr> lol... and did I mention, main() is generated by a 3rd party program. :(
[01:41] <EricBlade> or make them static libraries, and build them statically.
[01:41] <psusi> linux_dr, keep it in some non standard directory that you only add to the LD_SEARCH_PATH of the program you want to debug
[01:41] <sakter12> i accidentally deleted/lost my /etc/bash.bashrc ...
[01:42] <EricBlade> that would also be a way. i tend to deal with things at a system level, so i'm not thinking in terms of LD_env vars, because those are very bad to use at the system level, but probably perfect for user level
[01:42] <linux_dr> EricBlade: Static isn't such a bad idea... but I'm trying to orchestrate all this from within puppet... starting to sound tricky.
[01:43] <linux_dr> psusi: still not sure how to tell puppet to BUILD the non-standard version... :{
[01:43] <olif> Linux_dr : can i join
[01:43] <linux_dr> olif: of course
[01:44] <Jordan_U> z1haze: I have many files in my /usr/ with a group different than root.
[01:44] <z1haze> figures, well i dunno what im going to do :(
[01:44] <z1haze> im screwed
[01:44] <linux_dr> psusi: LD_SEARCH_PATH sounds like a good idea too...
[01:45] <linux_dr> ... I'm just not relishing making a custom build of libstd++.so I suppose...
[01:45] <olif> thank you. i want to wear ccsm in my ubuntu but my laptop don't support driver vag
[01:45] <Tuck_C_Dough> Linksys dir-615... router. connected on ethernet cable. i want to sign into the router's admin page. standard ip for router 192.168.0.1 does not connect. tried installing UPnP Router Control and EVEN THOUGH i am connected to internet, and chatting on IRC, UPnP Router Control tells me it cannot see the router, and I have already rebooted the router
[01:45] <Jordan_U> z1haze: Again, make backups. Be careful when making the backups, and do so as soon as possible.
[01:45] <olif> thank you. i want to wear ccsm in my ubuntu but my laptop don't support VGA driver
[01:46] <z1haze> i have no way to store than much information
[01:46] <z1haze> its over 20gb
[01:46] <blueingress> Hi all, can I use btsync filtered by some filetype? thanks
[01:46] <olif> Linux_dr:thank you. i want to wear ccsm in my ubuntu but my laptop don't support VGA driver
[01:46] <psusi> z1haze, in the future, make backups of your server so you can restore when something goes wrong
[01:46] <EricBlade> oh, hey, it's not all USB ports. It's just the ones attached to the docking station, apparently
[01:46] <z1haze> i will i didnt even know that was possible
[01:46] <linux_dr> olif: English isn't your first language? I think "wear" is the wrong word... and I have no idea what ccsm is.
[01:46] <psusi> linux_dr, why do you need a custom build again?
[01:46] <EricBlade> which are probably the ones that i would -never- want powered down.. grr.
[01:46] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: Please pastebin the output of "route -n".
[01:46] <xxavi> hi
[01:47] <xxavi> Can't change root password in Ubuntu, can someone help me ?
[01:47] <psusi> z1haze, 20gb?  that's nothing...
[01:47] <olif> Linux_dr:thank you. i want to use ccsm in my ubuntu but my laptop don't support VGA driver
[01:47] <linux_dr> psusi: C++11 includes std::thread for multi-threading...
[01:47] <Jordan_U> xxavi: You shouldn't have a root password set in the first place.
[01:47] <linux_dr> halgrind detects multi-threading issues...
[01:47] <genious> xxavi
[01:48] <z1haze> sure let me download 20gb and reupload 20gb of information
[01:48] <z1haze> on my 10mb internet connection
[01:48] <psusi> linux_dr, it shouldn't need you to replace the system libc for that
[01:48] <z1haze> .5mb upload
[01:48] <z1haze> at best
  what is our distro?
[01:48] <linux_dr> the custom build of libstd++.so prevents helgrind from reporting C++11 thread creation/destruction as false positives.
[01:48] <xxavi> Jordan_U: when I type 'passwd' i get: "passwd: Authentication token manipulation error"
[01:49] <psusi> linux_dr, it should be able to overload whatever it needs to for the program under debug using ld mechanisms
[01:49] <xxavi> genious: tell me
[01:49] <Jordan_U> !pm | Tuck_C_Dough
[01:49] <linux_dr> psusi: Yes... that would be nice...
[01:49] <genious> xxavi you need to log into ttyl
[01:49] <Tuck_C_Dough> pastebin the output of "route -n":
[01:49] <psusi> z1haze, who said anything about downloading?  back it up to another drive/partition on the same system
[01:49] <Tuck_C_Dough> Kernel IP routing table
[01:49] <Tuck_C_Dough> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[01:49] <Tuck_C_Dough> 0.0.0.0         216.211.65.249  0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 ppp0
[01:49] <Tuck_C_Dough> 216.211.65.249  0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 ppp0
[01:49] <linux_dr> psusi: Go here: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/debug.html look for Data Race Hunting and read the second paragraph
[01:50] <xxavi> genious: done
[01:50] <z1haze> psusi im not sure there even is one, can u help with that, because if not i dont know the experience
[01:50] <psusi> z1haze, and realy if you do need to download it, just let it go over night and forget about it... only need the full backup once
[01:51] <z1haze> there are 2 24/7 gaming servers currently running on it
[01:51] <z1haze> info is constantly being saved
[01:51] <genious> xxavi then  sudo gpasswd USER
[01:51] <olif> Linux_dr: i can't to active  visual effects in my computer (axioo)
[01:51] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: Next time please use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com. You're apparently not using NAT, and your router's ip address is 216.211.65.249.
[01:51] <xxavi> genious: I get passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[01:51] <genious> xxavi it will ask you to enter a new password
[01:51] <linux_dr> olif: you are providing no information to troubleshoot your problem
[01:51] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: Certainly an odd configuration.
[01:52] <psusi> z1haze, well, if you don't actually care about that data in the event of a crash you can just not back that part up...
[01:52] <genious> xxavi have you tried going trhough the system settings?
[01:52] <olif> thank you
[01:53] <sakter12> how do i find the /etc/bash.bashrc file for ubuntu?
[01:53] <Tuck_C_Dough> i guess. i just installed ubuntu 13.10 and it just picked up the internet and worked. but it drops the signal at odd times. I wanted to get into the admin page to see if i could change it from on demand to always on. when i tried to open the ip 216.211.65.249 the page would not open.
[01:53] <xxavi> genious: no
[01:54] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: Are you sure that what you're connected to is a router and not just a modem?
[01:54] <Tuck_C_Dough> no. not sure.
[01:54] <linux_dr> psusi: does that help at all?
[01:55] <Tuck_C_Dough> i mean, there is a box. it says linksys dir-615 on it. there are antennas for wifi. i have it plugged into the modem
[01:55] <psusi> Jordan_U, looks like he's using PPPoE so that was the information for that iface rather than eth0
[01:55] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: It seems like what you're connected to is just a modem. If that's the case, I highly recommend that you get a router and only ever have the router connected directly to the modem, with any other machine connected through the router (using NAT).
[01:56] <Tuck_C_Dough> you say i should get a router and i am telling you i bought and paid for a Linksys d-link dir-615 router
[01:56] <genious> xxavi yu know how to do it?
[01:56] <Tuck_C_Dough> my phone connects to the wifi no problem
[01:56] <xxavi> genious: what exactly ?
[01:57] <genious> xxavi changing the password through systems settings
[01:57] <Tuck_C_Dough> the ps3 in the other room is connected to the internet using a ethernet cable, and netflix is on it.
[01:57] <xxavi> genious: I can't login
[01:57] <Tuck_C_Dough> is it possible my linksys is acting as a switch and not as a router?
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Tuck_C_Dough: Please pastebin (do *NOT* just paste into the channel) the output of "ifconfig".
[01:58] <genious> xxavi if that fails you could restart the machine into recovery mode, drop the root and try upgrading
[01:58] <psusi> z1haze, it sounds like helgrind should have its own library and inject it to override those few functions in libc without needing to replace the system libc
[01:58] <Arceye> ok...  so where is the system administration hiding ?
[01:58] <xxavi> genious: upgrading what ?
[01:58] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, what is your IP address and default route for eth0?
[01:58] <z1haze> psusi, what?
[01:59] <genious> xxavi upgrading the distro
[01:59] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, yes.. do you have the modem plugged into the WAN port on the router?
[01:59] <wrongplace> how do I get my mysql username?
[01:59] <wrongplace> or name?
[01:59] <xxavi> genious: I have 13.10
[01:59] <genious> xxavi alternatively try gpasswd -d USER nopasswd login
[02:00] <Arceye> holy crap I log out and no way back in except reset pc :(
[02:02] <psusi> z1haze, basically helgrind should already have those functions built into a separate library and when you run it on a program to debug it, it uses LD_PRELOAD to force that library to be loaded first, thus replacing the non debug versions in the standard libc
[02:02] <xxavi> genious: don't work
[02:02] <genious> xxavi: wha is the error though? are you locked out?
[02:02] <Tuck_C_Dough> back. pasted to pastebin
[02:03] <z1haze> psusi are u sure ur talking to me.. i havent mentioned anything about helgrind
[02:03] <z1haze> or said anything in the last 20 minutes
[02:03] <xxavi> genious: help of gpasswd
[02:03] <psusi> z1haze, oops, that was for linux_dr
[02:03] <genious> xxavi can you login though?
[02:04] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, if you don't have the modem plugged into the WAN port of the router, then you are only using it as a switch
[02:04] <xxavi> genious: no, only single user
[02:04] <genious> xxavi if yes, go to system settings, accounts, and change it from there
[02:04] <xxavi> genious: no, only single user
[02:04] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, and after pasting something to pastebin, it gives you a url to paste here so we can look at it
[02:05] <Tuck_C_Dough> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6928901/
[02:05] <EricBlade> ok, once i discover that it's just the docking station ports, nothing is making sense all the way.. grr.  all usb ports on my laptop docking station go dead after a period of idle time, ubuntu 13.10. did not have problem with 11 or 12
[02:05] <genious> xxavi try chown username:usernam .Xauthority
[02:05] <linux_dr> psusi: sounds good on paper
[02:05] <genious> xxavi in ttyl
[02:05] <daftykins> Tuck_C_Dough: ppp0 - yep that is not a router ;)
[02:05] <xxavi> genious: yes ?
[02:06] <xxavi> genious: in single user mode ?
[02:06] <psusi> linux_dr, yea... you are using it only as switch... plug the modem into the WAN port, then get rid of the PPPoE settings on your computer and set up the router to handle that
[02:06] <psusi> damnit
[02:06] <genious> press ctrl + Alt + F1
[02:06] <psusi> that was meant for Tuck_C_Dough
[02:07] <xxavi> genious: don't work chown
[02:07] <genious> xxavi it has to be executed in command line
[02:08] <xxavi> genious: yes, but don't work in single user mode
[02:09] <genious> xxavi you have to have administrative privileges to change root password buddy
[02:09] <xxavi> genious: I don't knnow
[02:09] <genious> xxavi ask KeithLG
[02:10] <KeithLG_> ?
[02:10] <xxavi> KeithLG_: I can't login with any user, can help me ?
[02:11] <hewhomust> xxavi what do you mean?
[02:11] <KeithLG_> What do you mean you can't login with any user?
[02:11] <Arceye> Lubuntu where do I find system adminstration ?
[02:11] <xxavi> hewhomust: I can not login with any user
[02:11] <KeithLG_> That isn't explaining much
[02:11] <hewhomust> that doesnt help
[02:11] <genious> xxavi yeh what do u mean?
[02:12] <wrongplace> i need help with mysql
[02:12] <somsip> wrongplace: what is the problem?
[02:12] <hewhomust> #mysql
[02:13] <xxavi> KeithLG: I need reset root password
[02:13] <wrongplace> somsip, how did I end having so many users? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6928967/
[02:13] <wrongplace> 3 roots??
[02:14] <hewhomust> xxavi: got a livecd?
[02:14] <somsip> wrongplace: they each have one domain, eg root@localhost, root@anydomain. So you've done a setup, added phpmyadmin and owncloud. So it's right
[02:14] <wrongplace> somsip, how do you kno the ones I have added?
[02:14] <KeithLG> If I remember correctly, ubuntu has a "recovery/repair" built into it, and you need a livecd to access it *shrugs* it's been too long lol
[02:14] <xxavi> hewhomust: yes
[02:15] <somsip> wrongplace: because I know which ones are added as part of standard install
[02:15] <hewhomust> boot into it chroot into the partition then change the passwords
[02:15] <KeithLG> ^
[02:15] <xxavi> hewhomust: ok, I try
[02:17] <sv503> español?????????
[02:17] <somsip> !es | sv503
[02:18] <wrongplace> well, I cannot log in with any of those into my owncloud
[02:18] <wrongplace> help please... somsip ?
[02:18] <somsip> wrongplace: read owncloud's documentation
[02:20] <Draconicus> So
[02:20] <Draconicus> I accidentally removed all forms of menu support in an attempt to remove global menu stuff in 13.10. Bit of a pickle I'm in now, since most GTK applications lack a menu (X-Chat, gnome-terminal, you name it)
[02:21] <Draconicus> I'm used to having a modified xfce4 session, but since Ubuntu's default session is a bit more workable, I thought I'd try using it directly. Not sure what's missing, but those windows are lacking menus.
[02:25] <Draconicus> Looks like I need to get "Exec=env UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=" to be  default for launching applications...
[02:26] <Arceye> Sorry guys but I am at a loss with this install ati drivers, it states I need to go to system administration , but I can't see it in the menu's
[02:27] <hewhomust> what?
[02:27] <hewhomust> can you paste the link?
[02:27] <Yash_> Hi
[02:27] <Yash_> anyone here can help me with X forwarding?
[02:28] <Arceye> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsAti
[02:28] <Devastator> Does anybody know if Stephane Graber idles here?
[02:28] <hewhomust> what card do you have?
[02:28] <Arceye> Radeon HD 3200 Graphics RS780M
[02:28] <Yash_> Please help
[02:28] <Yash_> x 11 forwarding over ssh?
[02:30] <somsip> Yash_: just say what the problem is on onel ine and someone will offer advice if they can
[02:31] <Yash_> I am using Xming..to get remote display ..but when i use echo $DISPLAY it does not give me anything
[02:31] <Draconicus> Hmm... I tried putting "UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0" into ~/.profile with no luck
[02:32] <Yash_>  I am using Xming..to get remote display ..but when i use echo $DISPLAY it does not give me anything..any help?
[02:32] <somsip> !patience | Yash_
[02:33] <Yash_> sorry guys....just a bit irritated with this problem..
[02:34] <EricBlade> Yash_: are you positive you've got X forwarding enabled?  ssh -X -C (host) always works for me
[02:34] <EricBlade> but i am using MobaXTerm as both my Xserver and ssh
[02:34] <Yash_> eric, I use putty..and i enable X11 forwarding
[02:34] <Draconicus> Getting "UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=1" with "env" command\
[02:35] <EricBlade> Yash_: I also use winswitch, which has a built in Xming and ssh tool.. so maybe that's why.  *goes and looks at putty*
[02:35] <Yash_> i connect to access server(centos) and then i connect to rackserver(ubuntu)...i get display variable in access server..but not on rackserver
[02:35] <EricBlade> X11 forwarding on on that second connection also?
[02:36] <Yash_> yes
[02:36] <Draconicus> I think I have it figured out
[02:36] <Yash_> it used to work fine earlier..today the system got restarted..and then i deleted .Xuthority file..
[02:36] <EricBlade> can you manually set DISPLAY to the right thing, and have it work?
[02:36] <Draconicus> I am mistaken
[02:37] <Yash_> i did set the Display manually...i set it to localhost:10.0   but it says cannot open display...have you set the display correctly?
[02:37] <Guest11249> Hi =;O)
[02:38] <EricBlade> Yash_: i'm kind of clueless, because it "just works" any time i've done it.. and i hate to recommend changing softwares, but you may want to give MobaXTerm a quick look, it actually has this functionality all built in (connect to a destination server, via an intermediate server, using X11 forwarding)
[02:39] <wrongplace> is "rmdir" the oppositve of "mkdir"?
[02:39] <EricBlade> "mkdir" makes a directory, "rmdir" removes a directory. i guess that'd be opposite.
, its not free
[02:40] <Yash_> :(
[02:40] <wrongplace> sudo rmdir zzz <<< zzz is not empty, how do I bypass that?
[02:40] <wrongplace> circumvent
[02:41] <Tuck_C_Dough> ubuntu not recognizing my router - now this is odd - D-Link Dir-615 wireless N router - i cannot log into the Admin page, the router is not being recognized by ubuntu... here is where it gets odd - my blackberry is using the WiFi on the router right now, and I *AM* able to log into 192.168.0.1 through the blackberry, and i *AM* able to see all the settings and make changes and reboot the router from the blackberry, but Ubuntu does no
[02:41] <Tuck_C_Dough> t see the router and appears to be using the router as a switch to access the modem... i did change the router from "on demand" to "always on" from the blackberry so that's fixed. but its perplexing why ubuntu does not see the d-link router
[02:41] <EricBlade> Yash_: there's a free edition that can save 12 session bookmarks, and has a few other limits
[02:41] <EricBlade> even if you don't like it, or have reasons to use xming instead, maybe it might help locate the error
[02:43] <daftykins> Tuck_C_Dough: so this ubuntu system is a desktop PC plugged in via wired ethernet, into this D-Link?
[02:46] <Tuck_C_Dough> yes. ubuntu 13.10... on a dell optiplex desktop workstation... dsl "bridge" modem model speedtouch... dsl connected to speedtouch modem. Ethernet cable from speedtouch into the "INTERNET" port on the rear of the d-link router. Ethernet cable from port 2 into computer. This setup is recognized by Windows xp - can log into the router's admin page no probelm in winxp using these cable connections.
[02:46] <Arceye> I've come to the conclusion I need something like an i7 before I can use ubuntu properley , :(
[02:46] <hewhomust> lol wuts properly?
[02:47] <Tuck_C_Dough> internet currently connected,  but ifconfig does not show any IP addresses in eth0
[02:47] <Arceye> the same as yours but spelled wrong
[02:47] <hewhomust> no what do you mean it doesnt run well?
[02:47] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: is your router set up as being a DHCP server?
[02:48] <Tuck_C_Dough> dhcp is enabled as far as i can read from the blackberry
[02:48] <Arceye> I tried ubuntu 12.04 .. it runs like crap  , I have no tried lubuntu and I can't get it to do the most basic of things correctly
[02:48] <Tuck_C_Dough> but... "set up as being a dhcp server"???? durr.... what?
[02:48] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, go into your network settings and check your configuration for eth0
[02:48] <Arceye> no = now
[02:48] <Tuck_C_Dough> check... you mean ifconfig?
[02:49] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: I mean is DHCP turned on in the router, if you say it is, then good :)
[02:49] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, no.. the network gui settings... top right of screen
[02:49] <flan_suse> In Fedora, there is a package named "kmod-staging". Is there something similar in Ubuntu? I woud like to install staging drivers not included by default in Ubuntu.
[02:50] <psusi> flan_suse, no.. all modules are enabled and built into the main kernel package
[02:50] <flan_suse> psusi: But what about the staging ones?
[02:50] <flan_suse> psusi: They are available as well, out of the box?
[02:50] <Tuck_C_Dough> eth0 under general says i have a hardware address, a driver, and speed... then it says IPv4 and has info there. what info?
[02:50] <psusi> flan_suse, yep
[02:51] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: i would try a networking channel..
[02:51] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, what is under the IP4 tab?
[02:51] <flan_suse> psusi: When I tried to use an ASUS USB AC51 wireless adapater, it did not work out of the box. I had to download, compile, and install mt7650u_sta ("sta" as in "staging")
[02:51] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, is it disabled?  you want it set for automatic ( dhcp )
[02:51] <Devastator> is there a ubuntu-devel channel or something?
[02:52] <ulkesh> Devastator: #ubuntu-devel
[02:52] <wrongplace> http://imagebin.org/293216 , do I need to edit the account or the database fields?
[02:53] <Tuck_C_Dough> under IPv4 it gives an address for IP Address, same one for Broadcast address, subnetmask is 255.255.255.255 gives a default rout and primary dns and secondary dns
[02:53] <psusi> flan_suse, I don't see a driver by that name in the staging directory... so either it was never there, got dropped, or moved out of staging
[02:53] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, I think yuo are looking at the ppp0 interface, not eth0
[02:54] <wrongplace> the password, is it my regular password or the mysql password?
[02:54] <MASbro> durin the log in screen my trackpad works but once logged in it freezes
[02:54] <flan_suse> psusi: I might have wrote it wrong.
[02:55] <mansoor> Hello friends
[02:55] <mansoor> Does anyone use Kexi (http://www.kde.org/applications/office/kexi/) in production environment?
[02:55] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: set the "Method" to "Automatic (DHCP)" if it isn't, assuming you are editing your Ethernet (eth0) device
[02:56] <Arceye> why won't my desktop resolution stay at what I set it to after logging out then back in ?
[02:56] <flan_suse> psusi: Where is the official listing of staging tree?
[02:56] <flan_suse> psusi: It's not this, is it? http://linux.f-seidel.de/linux-next/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Linux-next.IncludedTrees
[02:57] <psusi> flan_suse, I just look in the drivers/staging directory of the kernel source
[02:57] <Tuck_C_Dough> psusi - http://imagebin.org/293217
[02:57] <Tuck_C_Dough> you tell me if i am looking in eth0
[02:58] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: You need to edit the connection, not just look at its info.
[02:59] <Tuck_C_Dough> ulkesh - i was looking at the info because of what psusi said earlier
[03:00] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: yes, but that won't tell you if you're DHCP or manually setting an IP...if you can't get to the internet, then you're simply not set up to route to it usually by some manual IP settings that are misconfigured (assuming you want to be DHCPed via the connected router)
[03:00] <Tuck_C_Dough> ulkesh - http://imagebin.org/293218
[03:00] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: look under the IPv4 tab
[03:01] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, that is weird... how did you originally set this up?  I'd say you need to undo however you set up that pppoe crap in the first place
[03:02] <Tuck_C_Dough> psusi - i installed ubuntu 13.10 and the internet just worked. i did not need to set a damn thing up at all.
[03:02] <flan_suse> psusi: I looked too, and it's not there...
[03:02] <flan_suse> psusi: I'm confused. There's a song and dance about how much they love Linux...
[03:03] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, under the general tab so you have the automatically connect to vpn set?
[03:03] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: Maybe i'm leading you astray, as psusi is saying, it looks as if the eth0 thinks it needs to be set up as pppoe...which means you have the computer directly connecting to the DSL device, I believe.  I was under the impression you have a router in the middle.  The only reason for the eth0 to try to get configured via pppoe is if it's directly connected to the modem
[03:03] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: I'll bow out.  Good luck!  Sorry to be in the way, psusi.
[03:03] <Tuck_C_Dough> dammit i DO have a router in the middle
[03:03] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: you should calm down, people are trying to help you.
[03:03] <flan_suse> psusi: "MediaTek is very active in the Linux community, and provides source code for many of its client drivers to developers."
[03:03] <flan_suse> psusi: http://www.mediatek.com/_en/07_downloads/01_windows.php?sn=501
[03:04] <flan_suse> (The URL says "windows" but it's a Linux page.)
[03:04] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, the problem is that you originally were using a direct connection to the modem and your bloody ISP uses PPPoE, so your computer is set up to still use PPPoE and not get a real address on the local lan
[03:04] <Tuck_C_Dough> ulkesh... i know i should. i'm sorry. i'm frustrated. i just wanted to change my router to be set to always on so it did not drop connection. i did that now on the blackberry. HOWEVER i don't know why ubuntu isn't recognizing my router when the ps3 and the blackberry see it just fine
[03:05] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: I think psusi is right.  I apologize for being in the way.
[03:06] <Tuck_C_Dough> ok. so i have the internet. and i'm talking to you kind folks. i don't really need ubuntu to see the router if i have the internet, but its turned into a problem that needs solving... under the general tab it says to automatically connect to this netowrk when it is available, and all users may connect. i have no VPN set up.
[03:06] <psusi> flan_suse, and it doesn't just work out of the box?
[03:07] <Tuck_C_Dough> under ethernet i see the mac address and i see MTU is set to automatic
[03:07] <wakkaLex10> oh wow just set up irssi using macport and that proved to be a pain
[03:07] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: that has nothing to do with VPN's.. thats just that wifi access point
[03:07] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: automatically connect to that wifi access point
[03:07] <Tuck_C_Dough> under ppp settings it says allowed methods are eap paop chap mschapv2 and mschap
[03:08] <Tuck_C_Dough> compression has checks in allow bsd, allo deflate data and use tcp hearder compression
[03:08] <Tuck_C_Dough> under IPv4 settings the method is automatic pppoE,
[03:08] <Tuck_C_Dough> i can change that to manual
[03:09] <daftykins> change it to DHCP!
[03:09] <daftykins> DHCP Auto
[03:09] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, I've never had to use pppoe so I'm not sure how to undo it... I thought it should leave your eth0 interface alone and just add ppp0 as a second interface, but somehow it seems to have taken over eth0
[03:09] <daftykins> for the love of... this should've been solved hours ago XD
[03:09] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: One last thing, maybe take a look at http://ubuntuincident.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/remove-pppoe-settings/
[03:09] <Tuck_C_Dough> dhcp is not an option
[03:09] <psusi> Tuck_C_Dough, ohh, can you change it to automatic dhcp?
[03:09] <holstein> Tuck_C_Dough: DHCP is the correct configuration
[03:10] <Tuck_C_Dough> if i do not see dhcp in the drop down... but i see manual... you are suggesting i manually somehow set something to dhcp someplace?
[03:10] <gr33n7007h> Tuck_C_Dough, can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces file
[03:10] <chris_is_me> follow instructions on the link
[03:11] <Tuck_C_Dough> greentooth... not sure what you mean
[03:11] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: I know you have a lot of people saying this and that, but please take a look at http://ubuntuincident.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/remove-pppoe-settings/  it may be all you need...I truly hope so, I totally understand your frustration
[03:11] <psusi> ulkesh, that sounds promising
[03:12] <psusi> all ISPs that use PPPoE should be castrated...
[03:12] <Tuck_C_Dough> before following the instructions, is there a way i can save my current working configuration in case i need to back out?
[03:12] <daftykins> psusi: what, then go back to PPPoA? :P
[03:12] <ulkesh> Tuck_C_Dough: make a backup of each of the files it states to modify
[03:13] <gr33n7007h> type cat /etc/network/interfaces copy the output and pastebin it and give us a link
[03:13] <Tuck_C_Dough> in dos and win i know how to do this... in ubuntu...mmmm not so much
[03:13] <psusi> daftykins, no, just use a *real* network instead of a virtual network encapsulated in a real one
[03:13] <daftykins> heh, i think there are reasons
[03:14] <daftykins> but nm, this isn't the place for that discussion :)
[03:14] <flan_suse> psusi: Sorry, just read your reply.
[03:14] <Tuck_C_Dough> greentooth - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6929172/
[03:14] <Brett_> Hello, I am having trouble with installing packages
[03:14] <flan_suse> "flan_suse, and it doesn't just work out of the box?"
[03:14] <flan_suse> No, it does not.
[03:14] <Brett_> When I open Ubuntu Software Center, it says it needs to fix my package catalog
[03:14] <Brett_> When I press OK to fix it, it gives me a DPKG error
[03:14] <daftykins> Brett_: can you pastebin said error to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[03:14] <Brett_> If I try to install a package using apt-get, it says it cannot locate it
[03:14] <Brett_> yes
[03:15] <bhalash> f
[03:15] <Brett_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6929176/
[03:16] <psusi> flan_suse, doesn't look like they ever actually got it in the kernel
[03:16] <daftykins> Brett_: does it also fail to run "sudo apt-get update" ? (you can pastebin the whole output of that command in a terminal if possible)
[03:17] <Brett_> Everything seems to work fine with sudo apt-get update
[03:17] <flan_suse> psusi: Dang.
[03:18] <flan_suse> psusi: It's such a pain to have to compile it and install it after each kernel update.
[03:19] <Brett_> daftykins: I get an error when I try to run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:19] <daftykins> oh?
[03:20] <daftykins> Brett_: which version are you on by the way? have you tried to upgrade recently?
[03:21] <Brett_> I am on 12.04
[03:21] <Brett_> I have not tried to upgrade
[03:22] <Brett_> I am trying to install gparted
[03:22] <daftykins> Brett_: do you have a config with mixed architecture apps installed? i.e. 64 and 32-bit
[03:22] <Brett_> I do not know
[03:23] <daftykins> Brett_: ok well run this in a terminal: "sudo mv /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch ~"
[03:23] <daftykins> so now that file is backed up in your home
[03:23] <daftykins> now try running things again
[03:23] <Brett_> ok
[03:25] <ekodauhm> hi, i have a little problem when a try to make anope on ubuntu, i want to use mysql and the file .so for mysql is not created on compilation
[03:25] <ekodauhm> with anope 2.0
[03:25] <Brett_> dpkg: error: the file triggers record mentions illegal package name 'libgdk-pixbuff-2.0-0' (for interest in file /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuff-2.0/2.10.0/loaders): ambiguous package name 'libgdk-pixbuff2.0-0' with more than one installed instance
[03:25] <Brett_> daftykins: that is what I get
[03:26] <ekodauhm> some people can help me please ?
[03:26] <daftykins> ekodauhm: never heard of anope
[03:26] <daftykins> i suggest you talk to whoever makes that, whatever it is
[03:27] <daftykins> Brett_: ok looks like that last command made it worse =/
[03:27] <Brett_> oh ok
[03:27] <ekodauhm> daftykins it's for service on unrealicd , a server irc
[03:27] <daftykins> i imagine the above pixbuff package is installed in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions on your system
[03:28] <Brett_> daftykins: Is there some kind of restore I can do?
[03:28] <daftykins> Brett_: so first off run "sudo mv ~/multiarch /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/" to restore that file
[03:29] <Brett_> daftykins: I have done that
[03:31] <daftykins> Brett_: ok one sec just reading up
[03:31] <daftykins> Brett_: can you pastebin that dpkg: error: the file triggers record mentions illegal package name 'libgdk-pixbuff-2.0-0'
[03:31] <daftykins> oops
[03:31] <daftykins> ignore, accidental paste
[03:32] <Brett_> yes
[03:32] <daftykins> Brett_: can you pastebin that /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch file?
[03:32] <Brett_> I do not get the pixbuff error any more now that I have replaced the mulltiarch file
[03:32] <daftykins> no, but you'll likely be back to the first issue
[03:33] <Brett_> and the only contents of the multiarch file are: "foreign-architecture i396"
[03:33] <Brett_> daftykins: sorry, i386
[03:34] <duoi> hi guys
[03:34] <duoi> why doesn't Ubuntu support different video formats OOTB?
[03:35] <daftykins> duoi: due to regional restrictions and alws
[03:35] <daftykins> *laws
[03:35] <duoi> daftykins, continue..
[03:36] <daftykins> no that's about all i've got to say there, you could find more online i'm sure if you search for 'ubuntu restricted extras'
[03:36] <daftykins> Brett_: this one definitely seems too advanced for me :S
[03:36] <Brett_> Okay, daftykins is there some way to restore everything?
[03:36] <daftykins> depends, have you had that installation going a long time?
[03:37] <Brett_> yes
[03:38] <daftykins> hrmm, well from reading online it looks like removing all your i386 packages will help but i'm concerned that you might actually use some and perhaps don't know about it
[03:38] <daftykins> so it may leave something not working
[03:38] <presonic> anyone know how to tell if you've been hit by 'themoon' ?
[03:40] <Brett_> Okay
[03:40] <Brett_> Well, if this will not work, is there another way to install gparted?
[03:41] <daftykins> Brett_: i take it you just get errors trying the command line package installation?
[03:41] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get install gparted"
[03:41] <Brett_> yes
[03:41] <Brett_> It says it cannot locate the package
[03:41] <jaymartinez> does anyone know why google still wont ship an official google drive for linux?
[03:41] <daftykins> sadly my Google mindreading device is at the shop
[03:42] <daftykins> Brett_: hmm i think it's a no-go until that's solved =/ what were you wanting to do? repartition?
[03:42] <daftykins> using a LiveCD might be best
[03:42] <Brett_> I have a micro sd card that is not being detected by any computers
[03:42] <Brett_> I was told to try to fix it with gparted
[03:43] <daftykins> well that might not be too hard
[03:43] <daftykins> is it plugged in right now?
[03:43] <daftykins> "sudo fdisk -l" should show it up
[03:44] <duoi> jaymartinez, google doesn't give a shit about what isn't popular
[03:44] <duoi> jaymartinez, consider using a Linux-friendly cloud storage and bridge them using IFTTT.com
[03:45] <jaymartinez> duoi i was just wondering i keep my stuff moving with btsync anyway
[03:45] <Brett_> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6929259/
[03:46] <daftykins> Brett_: wow that entire install doesn't look happy at all :O - so no SD card is showing up, is it definitely in a reader?
[03:46] <Brett_> yes
[03:47] <daftykins> Brett_: hrmm nothing is showing up at all then so maybe the card's just dead
[03:47] <Brett_> Okay
[03:47] <Brett_> so is there nothing I can do?
[03:47] <agredy> hey guys im new to ubuntu
[03:48] <agredy> what are my must have apps and etc
[03:48] <agredy> msg me
[03:48] <kornflake-k9> vlc
[03:48] <agredy> got that
[03:48] <daftykins> Brett_: assuming the card reader is ok, it doesn't look good. i'd want to confirm elsewhere though
[03:48] <agredy> anything that i can emulate windows office
[03:48] <Brett_> ok
[03:49] <Brett_> I think the aprt where I messed up is when I tried to copy an iso to it using dd
[03:49] <daftykins> Brett_: was that really the full output of sudo fdisk -l btw? it looks kinda odd stopping at sda3
[03:50] <Brett_> daftykins: yes, that was everything
[03:50] <agredy> thanks
[03:50] <agredy> will try the sudo fdisk thing
[03:51] <agredy> let you know how i work out there
[03:51] <Brett_> well daftykins, I guess i give up then
[03:51] <Brett_> thanks so much for your time
[03:51] <daftykins> agredy: err, what? you realise i wasn't talking to you there?
[03:51] <daftykins> Brett_: np, sorry i was no use
[03:51] <Brett_> Thanks
[04:02] <wakkaLex0> is there a way to filter away all the connects/disconnect
[04:02] <wakkaLex0> ?
[04:02] <Flat4ForLife> for the chat room?
[04:02] <wakkaLex0> using irssi commands? yeah
[04:03] <z1haze> would someone please help me fix my server? i accidentally chown -R the root directory and i dont have access to reinstall
[04:03] <z1haze> i have a list of directories that were changed
[04:03] <Flat4ForLife> try /ignore #ubuntu MODES JOINS PARTS QUITS
[04:03] <Flat4ForLife> wakkaLex0,
[04:03] <wakkaLex0> will try, thank you
[04:03] <somsip> wakkaLex0: amend your ~/.irssi/config so it has a similar entry to http://paste.ubuntu.com/6929319/
[04:04] <Flat4ForLife> or try that, he knows more than I do haha
[04:04] <Flat4ForLife> how would i go about setting my startup sound/keyboard brightness/screen brightness levels?
[04:06] <Akiva-Mobile> Does Ubuntu and canonical have any standards in regards to syntax highlighting?
[04:07] <Akiva-Mobile> or perhaps gnome?
[04:08] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: in what app?
[04:08] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: heh, I suppose in this case, it would be APL family of programming languages
[04:09] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: no, in what app do you want the syntax to be shown. Not which language will you use
[04:09] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: but in general I am speaking. I know ubuntu sets their own style standards, and I was wondering if they had one.
[04:09] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: This is documentation, so google docs
[04:09] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: as in, I am implimenting the syntax highlighting
[04:10] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: no idea, and you'd probably need to ask developers who use APL
[04:10] <Flat4ForLife> i would imagine its close to any others... class/method declarations, loop beginning and end, variable names
[04:10] <Flat4ForLife> etc etc
[04:12] <Akiva-Mobile> Ah sorry. One other thing; does anyone else keep having constant crashes when you use the top screen edge for maximizing windows?
[04:12] <Flat4ForLife> as in dragging the window to the top for auto resize?
[04:12] <Akiva-Mobile> yah
[04:12] <Flat4ForLife> i haven't myself
[04:13] <Akiva-Mobile> Flat4ForLife: try doing this. Hot edge a window to the right side, and then try to hot edge it to the top
[04:15] <sabir> privet, kak dela?
[04:15] <Flat4ForLife> i think its pretty obvious what just happened...
[04:15] <somsip> !ru | sabir
[04:16] <Flat4ForLife> somsip give it a shot
[04:16] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: "ho do you do"
[04:16] <somsip> *how
[04:16] <sabir> join #ubuntu-ru
[04:16] <Akiva-Mobile> Flat4ForLife: Lol really?
[04:17] <Flat4ForLife>  try doing this. Hot edge a window to the right side, and then try to hot edge it to the top
[04:17] <Flat4ForLife>  
[04:17] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, yes really
[04:17] <Akiva-Mobile> Flat4ForLife: ha ha ha, sorry, but it feels so good to be vindicated
[04:17] <Flat4ForLife> no biggie. might want to report that one
[04:18]  * Akiva-Mobile checks launchpad
[04:18] <Flat4ForLife> so any ideas on how to set startup audio/keyboard brightness/screen brightness?
[04:19] <Flat4ForLife> im waiting to see somsip drop out haha
[04:19] <Akiva-Mobile> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1244754
[04:19] <z1haze> can someone please help me fix the permissions on my server? i've narrowed down the list of files/directories that need to be changed, i just dont know what owners go to which directories?
[04:19] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: heh? If this is the window hot-edge thing, I don't use the same WM as you two
[04:19] <Flat4ForLife> ah, already on there
[04:20] <Flat4ForLife> ah man, what do you use then?
[04:20] <z1haze> anyone?
[04:20]  * Flat4ForLife is a newbie and doesnt know whats out there
[04:20] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: awesome WM, but OT
[04:20] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: sounds like you have a big task ahead of you
[04:20] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: how many users are effected?
[04:20] <z1haze> i do and i dont have the experience to go with it
[04:20] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: he has already been recommended to reinstall
[04:20] <z1haze> im the only one who uses the box
[04:20] <z1haze> mostly
[04:21] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: are you familiar with chmod and command line utilities?
[04:21] <z1haze> i cancelled the command almost immediately after it happened
[04:21] <z1haze> i didnt chmod anything just ch the owner
[04:21] <z1haze> i did chown -R / instead of ./ i messed itup but i cancelled almost immediately
[04:21] <Akiva-Mobile> O_O!!!
[04:21] <z1haze> yea :( ive searched all files and found a list
[04:21] <z1haze> of all files and directories that were changed
[04:22] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: ... Well, if you have all the files, perhaps you can make a python script
[04:22] <z1haze> i can still use ssh, sudo, and my game servers are both still running
[04:22] <z1haze> well i dont know what they should be
[04:22] <z1haze> and i dont even know what a python script is, will you PLEASE help me
[04:22] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: I have to eat dinner, but I don't mind helping you after
[04:22] <Flat4ForLife> how many directories were affected?
[04:22] <z1haze> ok great! ive been at this for days but i just finally figured out the files
[04:23] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: python, or we could do bash for that matter, is just a programming language
[04:23] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, what languages do you know?
[04:23] <somsip> !ot | Flat4ForLife
[04:23] <Flat4ForLife> :|
[04:23] <z1haze> ./tmp, /usr, /proc
[04:23] <z1haze> those are the directories affecte
[04:24] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: What I am thinking is that you can take your list of files, change them into strings, and put it into a list, and then feed them to a for loop implimenting a chmod command.
[04:24] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: anyways, dinner,
[04:24] <z1haze> that would work but arent some files have different owners within a folder
[04:24] <z1haze> ok ill be here
[04:25] <z1haze> oh and /var
[04:25] <z1haze> Flat4ForLife; do you know what permissions go to with directories
[04:25] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: feel free to have that discussion in PM, but I will do my best to encourage people to keep OT chat out of here. Thanks
[04:26] <Flat4ForLife> i know somsip, its my bad
[04:26] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: cool
[04:26] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: or #ubuntu.-offtopic of course...
[04:26] <Flat4ForLife> z1haze, it could be figured out, yes. however, to get a list of every single file in those directories would be rather extensive
[04:27] <z1haze> so all files withint like -R /var are not the same owner
[04:27] <Flat4ForLife> not necessarily, no
[04:27] <z1haze> dang
[04:28] <somsip> z1haze: as we discussed the other day, you can fix all of these by hand, but it is a long and laborious proces.s I know you have difficulties with reinstalling, but essentially you have b0rked the server in terms of functionality and security. If you do find someone who will walk you through this step by step, I'd encourage you to do this in private messaging.
[04:28] <z1haze> no one has offered, except the person who just left to eat dinner
[04:29] <z1haze> and yea, i know it may be labor intensive, but my server is no good until then.
[04:29] <somsip> z1haze: personally, I know a hopeless case when I see one. That's not a personal attack, just the magnitude of what you want to do and how much hand-holding you will need to achieve it. Sorry
[04:29] <z1haze> even when i know the files
[04:30] <somsip> z1haze: install a VM locally, check the permissions on that, and mirror them ofn the server. You'll soon see how long it wil take
[04:30] <Barrin6> if I get a new computer, could I use my old hardrive and keep my old (ubuntu os) and put it in new computer setup (new motherboard cpu etc)?
[04:30] <Barrin6> and use it as the  main hard drive?
[04:30] <z1haze> im not familiar with how to do that; and if you had no choice to reinstall, what would you do?
[04:30] <Flat4ForLife> z1haze, just to give you an idea, here is a listing of my ./tmp directory, which is very small compared to /var or /usr http://paste.ubuntu.com/6929375/
[04:30] <somsip> Barrin6: yes. Usually ubuntu is very good at recognising new hardware and being able to cope. Caveats apply if you have non-standard packages installed
[04:30] <z1haze> what route should i take
[04:31] <somsip> z1haze: I would do what I hjust suggested to you. I would figure out how to fix it myself and learn something in the process
[04:31] <z1haze> i read something about a .acl restore
[04:31] <Barrin6> thanks somsip . Would you recommend just reinstalling the OS? Or would it be safe to use the old hard drive?
[04:32] <Flat4ForLife> Barrin6, yes you can do that. may i ask why you would not want to reinstall onto a new HD such as a SSD for better performance since it is a new computer?
[04:32] <Barrin6> I guess I could just copy the stuff from the HD into the SSD? Would that work?
[04:32] <somsip> Barrin6: I'd go with it. I have moved harddrives to new mobo/CPU combinations before with no problems. And had an external HD installtion which worked on more than one different PC. If it fails, nothing lost if reinstalling is an option you are happy to take. Reinstall may be cleaner, admittedly
[04:33] <Barrin6> okay thanks
[04:33] <Flat4ForLife> Barrin6, if you cloned the drives, that should work yes. im not saying to do that, just curious about the situation
[04:33] <Flat4ForLife> z1haze, did you look at that very small listing?
[04:33] <z1haze> yea i did
[04:34] <Flat4ForLife> now imagine doing that for thousands of files
[04:34] <z1haze> well i was hoping that the majority of them i could do with single commands then go back and change the few files that are different
[04:34] <cpudanyus> hola soy nuevo usuario
[04:34] <z1haze> i mean i dont have an option
[04:34] <somsip> !es | cpudanyus
[04:35] <Flat4ForLife> dangit somsip, you beat me to it
[04:35] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: :)
[04:35] <Flat4ForLife> z1haze, how do you not have an option to reinstall?
[04:35] <z1haze> because i dont have that access
[04:35] <z1haze> and no one to get ahold of who does
[04:36] <Flat4ForLife> oh this isnt on a personal PC?
[04:36] <z1haze> no of course not
[04:36] <z1haze> its a dedicated server but its not local
[04:37] <somsip> z1haze: Here is a non-supported, safety-unknown possible solution for you. I'd be *very* careful with this: http://hyperlogos.org/page/Restoring-Permissions-Debian-System
[04:37] <Flat4ForLife> so you are saying you dont have the physical access to reinstall?
[04:37] <somsip> z1haze: essentially this will focrcibly reinstall every packaghe installed on the system, overwritting those messed up permissions. But it will not fix any changed files, or user data. NOT GUARARANTEED
[04:38] <z1haze> any changed files as far as what
[04:38] <somsip> z1haze: a config you edited
[04:38] <nylar> so should i bother updating from qq to ss? or just wait for 14.10?
[04:38] <z1haze> that would at least narrow it down further thing?
[04:39] <Flat4ForLife> nylar, thats a personal preference, really
[04:39] <somsip> nylar: personal preference. I'm on precise because I need stability and common base with servers I admin. If you just use desktop, it might be an easy safe upgrade
[04:39] <somsip> z1haze: it's also risking messing up the system even more. You need to research it more yourself
[04:39] <Flat4ForLife> z1haze, can you do a network/remote install?
[04:39] <nylar> yeah i don't require anything in ss, just noticed that the support is being dropped for qq soon, but it seems to be around the same time 14.10 comes out
[04:39] <z1haze> possibly i dont know what that is.. i have root
[04:40] <z1haze> thats all i have
[04:40] <somsip> !12.10
[04:40] <Flat4ForLife> nylar, just keep in mind that 14.10 might not be as stable as pp right off the bat
[04:40] <nylar> right, but it's a long term support release so i think i'll move towards it
[04:40] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: 14.04 will be LTS so should be solid. I see you refer to 14.10 but giess that's a typo
[04:41] <nylar> i thought 14.10 was the lts?
[04:41] <Flat4ForLife> z1haze, so you don't have the physical access that would allow you to reinstall
[04:41] <somsip> nylar: 14.04
[04:41] <Flat4ForLife> somsip, you are correct. just going off his post, whoops
[04:41] <nylar> ehhh correct you are, so it was more of a mental typo :$
[04:41] <nylar> faulty human peripheral
[04:41] <z1haze> yes, i cant physically access the box, i only have root ssh
[04:42] <z1haze> not sure if its capable that way or not
[04:42] <nylar> i'm really more of a bsd guy but for a desktop os ubuntu is nice
[04:42] <Flat4ForLife> can you at some point in time contact the company hosting it to have them reinstall it?
[04:43] <z1haze> somisip. im reading this page, but understanding what it may do is a loss for me, i dont understand what its really saying..
[04:43] <CapitalSigma> hi all. i'm having trouble getting ubuntu to pair with my bluetooth speakers. blueman and bluez-simple-agent tell me that authentication failed. i'm somewhat puzzled because they worked fine up until a few days ago. any ideas?
[04:43] <nylar> appreciate the feedback :) thanks folks
[04:43] <Akiva-Mobile> z1haze: have you been helped yet?
[04:43] <z1haze> :(
[04:43] <z1haze> no one dares
[04:43] <Flat4ForLife> while this would not be the correct way by any means and could essentially lead to other problems/security issues, could he essentially just put all files in those directories to a default of read/write for everyone?
[04:43] <z1haze> lol
[04:43] <Akiva-Mobile> sec, pm
[04:43] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: if you have history in your IRC client, please scropll back as a lot has been discussed. If not, I can paste for you to avoid repitition here
[04:44] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: isnt the issue easy?
[04:44] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: yes, but then security will be comprimised as you say
[04:44] <Flat4ForLife> CapitalSigma, have you updated/changed anything recently?
[04:44] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: Doesnt he just need to reset all all the permissions of the files he changed?
[04:44] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, no because each file has different permissions
[04:45] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: easy, but laborious by hand. Automated is possible but possible risky. Maybe you know a cool fix
[04:45] <nylar> very refreshing to see an irc channel full of helpful people
[04:45] <CapitalSigma> Flat4ForLife: no, except for the updates ubuntu asks me to do. it cut out in them midst of playing something the other night
[04:45] <Flat4ForLife> CapitalSigma, so it wasnt after a reboot following an update or something like that, just out of the blue cut out?
[04:45] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: well automated is what I was going for... but is it the case that every file needs a very specific permission set?
[04:45] <CapitalSigma> Flat4ForLife: yes
[04:46] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, yes, pretty much
[04:46] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: they possibly have to be checked rather than that being assumed. /var is affected, for instance...
[04:46] <CapitalSigma> i thought it might be a hardware issue but hcitool etc can scan fine and find the speakers
[04:46] <Akiva-Mobile> Flat4ForLife: and does he know which files need which?
[04:46] <CapitalSigma> so i figure the dongle itself hasn't started to have any issues
[04:46] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: ... wow
[04:46] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, no. however, it could be bounced back with another system. but again, changing thousands of files can be tedious
[04:47] <Akiva-Mobile> Flat4ForLife: if he does not know which ones though need changing to which set of instructions, I dare say he is fit for a reinstall
[04:47] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: that's the point. He needs a clean system to compare against. Which will be laborious. I've suggested he install a VM clean, then check them off himself against that, or that interesting apt-get --reinstall install < dpkg --get-selections link I posted earlier
[04:47] <Flat4ForLife> CapitalSigma, have you tried to reinstall those tools by chance?
[04:47] <Flat4ForLife> im not too familiar with them so i cant be specific help on it
[04:48] <CapitalSigma> Flat4ForLife: no, i'll give it a shot
[04:48] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: ah yes, that would be a way
[04:48] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: he could print out a ls list
[04:48] <Akiva-Mobile> which has the permissions
[04:48] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, exactly. i have a fairly clean install myself and could give him a list. but walking him through that would take forever
[04:48] <Akiva-Mobile> then parse the data
[04:48] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: indeed. And so would you. And you'd share it on paste.ubutnu.com and he'd fix them. Then you'd do the next directory, and...ad infinitum
[04:49] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: No, just do a permission set for all files,
[04:49] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: it's whether this is the best help and advice to give him. I don't think it is and don't have time for that level of hand holding. And if you know an easy fix, go for it :)
[04:49] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, unless you want to write him a script/small program to parse out permissions and filenames, then have it pull out which ones need which and set them automatically
[04:50] <Flat4ForLife> from the ls list
[04:50] <Akiva-Mobile> somsip: Yep, I will have to hold his hand for this
[04:50] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: Ok. Can I ask you to do this out of channel, maybe in PM?
[04:50] <Akiva-Mobile> well i'm bored, so i'll see if he is up for it.
[04:50] <Akiva-Mobile> yah, already have
[04:50] <Akiva-Mobile> thanks for giving me the rundown
[04:50] <somsip> Akiva-Mobile: then I'll shut up :)
[04:51] <Flat4ForLife> Akiva-Mobile, no offense but you're a better man than I
[04:51] <Akiva-Mobile> Flat4ForLife: I enjoy python
[04:51] <Akiva-Mobile> its like a puzzle
[04:51] <Akiva-Mobile> :P
[04:51] <Flat4ForLife> haha true. but we better not talk about languages, its OT
[04:52] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: unless you crack the python joke, which always makes me laugh :)
[04:52] <Flat4ForLife> which would be what?
[04:52] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: http://bash.org/?400459 (and that is OT)
[04:53] <Flat4ForLife> hahahaha i never thought of that
[04:53] <Flat4ForLife> gotta keep that one in the back of my head.....anyways, back to ubuntu :)
[04:54] <Flat4ForLife> somsip, do you know much about nvidia drivers?
[04:54] <somsip> Flat4ForLife:  I installed them, they worked. That was as far as my experience went.
[04:55] <Flat4ForLife> awesome!
[04:55] <Flat4ForLife> nevermind then
[04:57] <Flat4ForLife> wheres a good source to learn a bit more about linux/ubuntu? i know basics of commands and such, but not much about where files are or how to fix things
[04:57] <somsip> !manual | Flat4ForLife (maybe a bit basic for you though)
[05:00] <yogesh> hello is it okey to install ubuntu using WUBI installer to install ubuntu:
[05:00] <Psil0Cybin> yogesh, yes, the only difference is it may be slower, as it is running within the windows partition.
[05:00] <somsip> yogesh: it can be done, but most ubuntu users will say wubi is bad. I'd suggest it's okay to use for a short time until you decide to install properly and dual boot
[05:01] <Psil0Cybin> somsip, explained it much better than I did, but I agree with him completely.
[05:01] <somsip> Psil0Cybin: cygwin, wubi, dual-boot, ubuntu only. Natural progression I think...
[05:02] <Psil0Cybin> somsip, yup. It is an easy comfortable progression at best.
[05:03] <Psil0Cybin> Just a quick question if I use guides such as these (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys) in order to create my SSH Key would the steps I take be up to date? Does Ubuntu update manuals and pages like this?
[05:03] <Psil0Cybin> or is it recommended regardless because it is an official guide?
[05:04] <yogesh> Psil0Cybin: well it is not running on windows partition, I installed it on a different partition which I am not able to do with bootable pendrive because I am having http://askubuntu.com/questions/162631/ubuntu-12-04-installer-does-not-recognize-drive-partitions issue
[05:04] <somsip> Psil0Cybin: I find some get out of date, but some contain information that never seems to change.
[05:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Psil0Cybin, somsip: I wouldn't recommend that progression anymore. I recommend VBox > dual-boot > Ubuntu only
[05:05] <Psil0Cybin> thank you somsip, very helpful. I was just confused for the small aspect of chmodding ~/.ssh to 700, I am just confused and want to make sure those are proper permissions.
[05:05] <SonikkuAmerica> (because Wubi is dead)
[05:05] <Psil0Cybin> SonikkuAmerica, that is also a good, approach the thing is that before I had only 2 GB Ram, so a VM machine was out of the question.
[05:05] <somsip> Psil0Cybin: that still applies. You will get SSH throwing an error if the perms aren't right
[05:05] <Psil0Cybin> somsip, thank you :D for clarifying this, so security wise though those permissions should be fine?
[05:05] <somsip> SonikkuAmerica: wubi has definitely gone? Then I agree with you
[05:06] <somsip> Psil0Cybin: yep
[05:06] <Psil0Cybin> thanks you alot.\
[05:06] <SonikkuAmerica> somsip: The EXE still exists, but it's not compatible with anything beyond 13.04
[05:06] <yogesh> som
[05:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Psil0Cybin: That would be a bit tough IMO too, maybe directly going to dual-boot
[05:06] <somsip> SonikkuAmerica: okeydokey
[05:07] <nylar> does ubuntu have any magical properties that can save me money on my electric bill, perhaps a perpetual motion algorithm or something?
[05:07] <yogesh> somsip, Psil0Cybin : what you guys would suggest me now:
[05:07] <Psil0Cybin> nylar, yes Ubuntu does, it is called stand by. or sudo shutdown -h now
[05:07] <nylar> lol
[05:08] <somsip> yogesh: what is your aim? What are you wanting?
[05:08] <Psil0Cybin> one sec let me take a look at the link
[05:08] <nylar> man my bill was a lot this month
[05:09] <Psil0Cybin> yogesh, Are you trying to manually partition? in the sense you want to dual boot?
[05:09] <Psil0Cybin> or are you replacing windows 7 with ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[05:09] <yogesh> somsip: In case of I want remove WUBI installation I am having an issue  http://askubuntu.com/questions/162631/ubuntu-12-04-installer-does-not-recognize-drive-partitions with installation from Pen Drive
[05:10] <Psil0Cybin> nylar, Where do you live that you cannot keep a computer plugged in without being beaten for it?
[05:10] <somsip> yogesh: no sorry, no idea
[05:10] <nylar> california and it's not that bad, it's just that i run too many workstations
[05:11] <nylar> my kw/hr is pretty cheap
[05:11] <yogesh> Psil0Cybin: partitions are already there , I just want to install on one of them. here is result of bootinfoscript http://pastebin.com/M8dZnt25
[05:11] <Psil0Cybin> nylar, join #ubuntu-offtopic, i will help you there..brainstorm of ways to get you free electricity
[05:12] <nylar> haha sounds brilliant
[05:12] <yogesh> somsip: no problem thank you
[05:13] <Psil0Cybin> yogesh, I am not going to lie I had similar problems with my laptop I just got a Lenovo but I ended up nuking the hard drive and installing Ubuntu 12.04 LTS fully
[05:14] <yogesh> nuking means
[05:15] <Psil0Cybin> yogesh, formatting my hard drive completely, removing any kind of windows partitions.
[05:15] <yogesh> Psil0Cybin: well I purchased laptop with windows 8 and formatted it to install windows 7 but it said drive is of GTP type windows cant be installed. So turned disk into MBR type. can it be issue
[05:16] <Psil0Cybin> Yes, that could be an issue, but I am not sure...I never did anything you specified, I mostly remove windows right away. and change bios settings away from UEFI as that did not work for me.
[05:16] <Psil0Cybin> I am confused why they are grayed out usually you can still remove them!
[05:17] <yogesh> Psil0Cybin: yes I tried with BIOS but unfortunately my BIOS was without UEFI option. So I had left this way only .
[05:20] <yogesh> Psil0Cybin: one more question please, As I used WUBI installer for install ubuntu but it is installed on a separate drive . will it be slower than normal, should I run with this installation or I should find a way normal installation.
[05:21] <dad06> ping
[05:21] <yogesh> sorry my keyboard settings are not configured, can't type question mark. please bear with me
[05:21] <dad06> ping
[05:21] <cfhowlett> dad06, pong
[05:21] <dad06> lol
[05:21] <Psil0Cybin> From what it seems, I would find a way to normal the installation, partition it properly you will see a great tremendous improvement.
[05:22] <xangua> yogesh: you should avoid wubi install unless your own purpose is to only try Ubuntu
[05:22] <Flat4ForLife> anyone in here really good with nvidia drivers?
[05:22] <yogesh> xangua: this answer is killing me :(
[05:22] <cfhowlett> yogesh, wubi is no longer supported and should be your LAST option.  It was only ever designed for testing.  If you're testing and NOT installing for the long term, use virtualbox
[05:23] <yogesh> I have no idea how to solve issue without WUBI :(
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> !info unetbootin | yogesh
[05:24] <cfhowlett> yogesh, wait, virtualbox is NOT an option?!
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Flat4ForLife: best is shoot your nvidia issue mate
[05:25] <yogesh> cfhowlett: I am not aware of virtualbox.
[05:27] <yogesh> cfhowlett: do you use virtualbox
[05:27] <Flat4ForLife> im on a macbook pro and dual boot 13.10. i have a nvidia GeForce 8600M GT card which is supported by the latest drivers. i have tried a few different versions of it, however whenever i reboot it boots me to grub (or rEFInd if i choose) and after that, it goes to a black screen with either the login prompt or just a flashing cursor. i have tried to startx manually, gives me a screen error saying screens found but no suitable
[05:27] <Flat4ForLife>  configuration or something like that. the xorg.conf should be reconfigured during install, and i have even removed it to have it generate a basic one. i have tried everything i can find and cannot get it to work, always revert to nouveau
[05:27] <cfhowlett> yogesh, all the time.  what is your exact issue
[05:28] <jeffrey_f> yogesh: VirtualBox is a system emulator.  Allows you to run most any OS almost like you run any other application.  It is slower because it is sharing resources of your system.  It is similar to VMWare
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Flat4ForLife: 13.10 got many screen issues for users, same behavior on other ubuntu versions?
[05:29] <Flat4ForLife> lotuspsychje, not sure, this is the only version i have used on here
[05:29] <Flat4ForLife> which was a PITA to even get on here
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> Flat4ForLife: i would experiment with lts
[05:29] <yogesh> cfhowlett: I want a dual boot system with windows and ubuntu. windows is already installed when I try to install ubuntu it ignores windows installations and all the partition on the disk. shows a single partitioned disk with all empty space
[05:29] <cfhowlett> yogesh, this is a new computer?  windows 8?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> Flat4ForLife: you can also try recoverymode/failsafeX from grub and fix broken packages
[05:30] <Flat4ForLife> lotuspsychje, i guess i could try that, i just had such a hard time to get it installed on here. i have tried that as well
[05:30] <yogesh> cfhowlett: yes is new came with win 8 with GTP disk mapping. I formatted it completely changed disk mapping to MBR and installed windows 7 on it
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> Flat4ForLife: i would surely try 12.04 just to make sure
[05:31] <cfhowlett> yogesh, i've had issues with gpt and installing win7/ubuntu.  the fix was conversion to MB$
[05:32] <Flat4ForLife> lotuspsychje, yarg... ok ill have to try it one of these days
[05:33] <yogesh> cfhowlett: so I converted to MBR now the next issue I see on installing ubuntu which is exatly similar of http://askubuntu.com/questions/162631/ubuntu-12-04-installer-does-not-recognize-drive-partitions
[05:33] <Flat4ForLife> on newer computers, they have a security boot type thing which restricts new hardware from being added. im not too familiar with it, but could that be causing problems with a OS/CD trying to manipulate partitions?
[05:34] <cfhowlett> yogesh, the 3rd entry, sudo dmraid -rE didn't fix it
[05:34] <cfhowlett> ?
[05:35] <yogesh> cfhowlett: no
[05:35] <Beldar> yogesh, The bootscript does say guid=gpt detected, check this link on removing those remnants. http://www.rodsbooks.com/fixparts/
[05:35] <cfhowlett> yogesh, ^^^ See this.  doubt I can offer anything more useful.
[05:36] <yogesh> cfhowlett: bootscript says http://pastebin.com/jnSHuest
[05:36] <yogesh> sorry it was for Beldar
[05:37] <jaime_lion> question i have an old x32 computer with floppy drive and cd drive and it does not register usb if i created a live cd of ubuntu would it work on the computer?
[05:37] <Flat4ForLife> jaime_lion, i dont see why it wouldnt...
[05:37] <cfhowlett> jaime_lion, for old tech, try lubuntu or xubuntu.  a live cd should work
[05:38] <jaime_lion> ok cool thanks
[05:39] <Flat4ForLife> yogesh, just curious, why do you have so many partitions?
[05:40] <Guest69706> Hello had a power outage and now I can't boot. Also, full disclosure, I'm running Linux Mint but those guys are all asleep. Basically it started with xorg errors so I thought corrupt video driver and uninstalled the proprietary amd drivers. That got to me to a point where I can boot to a black screen with a spinning mouse cursor. If I switch over to terminal 7 it just says " Restoring resolver state"
[05:41] <cfhowlett> !mint|Guest69706, so sorry Mint isn't supporting you.  sadly, neither can we.
[05:41] <Guest69706> Any ideas what I should check next?
[05:41] <clouder|grr> when I use putty to ssh into my box and use screen, it says aborted because of window size change. It's doesn't affect functionality but it does make my putty smaller
[05:41] <clouder|grr> any way to stop that?
[05:42] <somsip> clouder|grr: not a very helpful answer maybe, but tmux show multiple connections in the smallest screen size rather than kicking you. Maybe time to change?
[05:42] <yogesh> Flat4ForLife: 1. windows, 2. for software setups, 3. for another user ( my girl), 4. for some entertainment stuff  and other stuff, 5. for linux haha. well I know it is not a good practice  :P
[05:43] <cfhowlett> yogesh, remember MBR is limited to 4 primary partitions
[05:44] <Flat4ForLife> this is true...
[05:44] <yogesh> cfhowlett: It is limited to primary partitions.two partitions are logical
[05:45] <yogesh> is there anything wrong:
[05:45] <Flat4ForLife> !wubi
[05:46] <Flat4ForLife> thats for my own info, btw
[05:46] <clouder|grr> somsip, hmm tmux looks interesting thanks
[05:46] <somsip> clouder|grr: np. I believe it's more featured than screen, but see what you think.
[05:47] <Flat4ForLife> yogesh, did you say your computer is UEFI?
[05:48] <nelseal> hi, I can't see any wireless networks and I should be able to. fresh install of 12.04.4 with a Broadcom 4312 LP wireless card
[05:48] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, do you show the interface?
[05:48] <yogesh> Flat4ForLife: I did not find UEFI in boot menu thats why I had to converted from GPT to MBR for install windows 7.
[05:48] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife,  yes, the interface shows in ifconfig
[05:48] <Flat4ForLife> yogesh, UEFI vs BIOS. do you have a windows 8 logo sticker?
[05:49] <Psil0Cybin> What is the command to view all SSH keys on my computer that I have generated using the terminal?
[05:49] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, can you see networks through terminal?
[05:49] <yogesh> Flat4ForLife: no sticker of windows  I think vendor would have installed windows 8 on it.
[05:49] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife,  it just returns "no scan results" when i run iwlist
[05:50] <Flat4ForLife> i thought you said it came with windows 8 and you installed windows 7...
[05:50] <yogesh> Flat4ForLife: yes you are correct but the installation of windows 8 might have done by the vendor.
[05:51] <Flat4ForLife> yogesh, yes i know that. but, if it came with windows 8, it probably uses UEFI
[05:52] <yogesh> Flat4ForLife: there is no logo of windows on it and there is BIOS without UEFI option in it
[05:52] <Flat4ForLife> yogesh, ok just wanting to make sure on that part
[05:52] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, are you using the proprietary drivers?
[05:53] <nelseal> no, they didn't seem to work, so I went with b43-firmware-installer option
[05:53] <yogesh> Flat4ForLife: btw, I am not aware of what the UEFI is, I will google it. thanks for point it out.
[05:53] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife: got the device working and all that, but I don't see any wireless networks and I definitely should
[05:55] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife: actually, I had to end up using this: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer  because of the hardware being what it is
[05:55] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, ok so it is the phy one
[05:55] <nelseal> yes
[05:58] <Flat4ForLife> dumb thought, but if you do a "rfkill list all" it doesnt say that its blocked does it?
[05:58] <nelseal> no, nothing is blocked.
[05:59] <Flat4ForLife> did you remove the STA driver/config files?
[06:01] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife: No, haven't removed those, should I? Like the old network config files? I'm not certain what you're talking about.
[06:02] <cylonfrack> hello all
[06:02] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, do you have pastebinit installed?
[06:02] <Flat4ForLife> hi cylonfrack
[06:03] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, and are you on that computer with ubuntu ATM? or a different one?
[06:03] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife: No, I can drop whatever you want into a pastebin and drop the link here.
[06:03] <Flat4ForLife> as in is it hooked to the internet through ethernet or some other means
[06:03] <cylonfrack> I have a quick question. I installed Ubuntu 13whatever a few days ago but I'd really love the long term support that comes with 12. Is it possible to downgrade or will I have to wipe and reinstall?
[06:03] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, Yes, I'm on the machine with the problem now, connected through ethernet.
[06:03] <rww> cylonfrack: wipe and reinstall
[06:03] <Flat4ForLife> cylonfrack, downgrade and reinstall
[06:04] <Flat4ForLife> err wipe, is what i meant
[06:04] <cylonfrack> okay thought so. good thing I have all my important stuff on an external
[06:04] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, do a "dmesg | grep b43" and paste it
[06:04] <Flat4ForLife> cylonfrack, thats what they are for!
[06:05] <cylonfrack> yep hence the 2TB external
[06:05] <cylonfrack> my internal is just for OS
[06:05] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, Ok, doing that now. Also, lsmod shows mac80211  being used by b43
[06:05] <cylonfrack> but thanks all!
[06:05] <cylonfrack> bye bye!
[06:07] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife: http://pastebin.com/qM034spU
[06:10] <Flat4ForLife> ok so it does show it installed. im thinking you need to remove the STA driver
[06:10] <Flat4ForLife> do a sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source
[06:10] <nelseal> already done, it's not installed
[06:11] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife: Although! There is another module loaded that belongs to b43 when I do lsmod
[06:11] <Flat4ForLife> ok, go under /etc/modprobe.d/ and see if there is a blacklist-bcm43.conf, broadcam-sta-common.conf, or a boradcom-sta-dkms.conf
[06:11] <Seagull> can anybody help me? my ubuntu 12.10 box is unable to detect my video card ( r9 270x )
[06:12] <_root_> could anyone tell me what does it mean?  qshape outgoing active deferred ==> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6929639/
[06:12] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife: No, none of those are listed.
[06:12] <Flat4ForLife> Seagull, what do you mean by "unable to detect" what error are you getting?
[06:12] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, post your lsmod output please
[06:13] <Seagull> when i run lspci, it doesnt see my device
[06:13] <Seagull> 1 sec
[06:13] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, http://pastebin.com/jFrPSZvb
[06:14] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, are you talking about the mac80211?
[06:14] <Seagull> Flat4ForLife: lspci only shows my onboard graphics is detected, while i have my 270x sitting and running on my x16 slot
[06:14] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, I think maybe I need to get rid of that ssb that relates to b43 at the very bottom?
[06:14] <Seagull> i know the card works because i tested it on another pc
[06:15] <Seagull> i cant disable my onboard graphics from BIOS either
[06:15] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, I just see two listings that "belong to" b43, the mac80211 and then that SSB one down there at the bottom
[06:15] <komputerkid> I am having laptop overheating issues on Ubuntu 13.10. I have updated the Linux Kernel to version 3.13 and I have installed laptop-mode-tools and cpufrequtils which helped a lot but it still sometimes overheats when I play a game. Any other packages I could install?
[06:15] <nelseal> komputer x-sensors
[06:16] <komputerkid> so sudo apt-get install x-sensors?
[06:16] <komputerkid> nelseal?
[06:16] <nelseal> komputerkid, sorry, I think it's actually lm-sensors
[06:16] <komputerkid> Thank you nelseal
[06:16] <Seagull> does anybody know how to disable onboard graphics
[06:17] <Seagull> without using BIOS
[06:17] <komputerkid> you mean like intel graphics cards?
[06:17] <komputerkid> Seagull?
[06:17] <nelseal> komputerkid, http://lm-sensors.org/
[06:17] <Seagull> nvidia integrated
[06:17] <nelseal> yw
[06:17] <komputerkid> hmmm
[06:17] <komputerkid> I don't have an Nvidia card on my computer so I can't be of assistance. Sorry.
[06:17] <nelseal> hehe, nvidia and linux don't always play nice.
[06:17] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, from reading the broadcom linux install instructions, it says "before" you do a fresh install, to remove b43, brcmscma, ssb, bcma, and wl from lsmod
[06:18] <Seagull> i have an asustek m2n68-la, doesn't allow me to disable graphics from BIOS
[06:18] <Seagull> :|
[06:18] <Flat4ForLife> Seagull, does this current box only have ubuntu installed?
[06:18] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, It's been a long day : ) So, how would I remove that ssb thing? I don't have much experience with modules and all that.
[06:19] <Seagull> Flat4ForLife: yes
[06:19] <Seagull> 12.10
[06:20] <Seagull> i know it has to be the OS because the same card worked on this mobo before
[06:20] <Seagull> i only changed the HDD
[06:21] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, try "sudo modprobe -r ssb
[06:21] <Flat4ForLife> without the quote, obviously
[06:21] <Flat4ForLife> Seagull, ok just making sure its the same hardware setup
[06:23] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, it says it can't because it's in use
[06:24] <Flat4ForLife> Seagull, just to make sure, there is no setting in your BIOS that would be blocking it is there? (im assuming no because you used the mobo before)
[06:24] <Seagull> correct
[06:24] <Seagull> it only allows me to change the "primary video card"
[06:24] <Seagull> its already set on x16
[06:24] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, have you installed linux-firmware-nonfree ?
[06:25] <nelseal> Flat4ForLife, thanks for the help, I am too tired to keep troubleshooting this stuff tonight
[06:25] <nelseal> will check that out
[06:25] <nelseal> peace
[06:25] <Flat4ForLife> nelseal, ok sorry i couldnt get it fixed. night
[06:26] <Flat4ForLife> Seagull, hmmm thats odd. do you possibly have a live windows cd or another linux distro live cd that you can see if its recognizing it?
[06:26] <Seagull> nope, i'm going to try that right now tho
[06:29] <SourceSlayer> If I were to get an Ubuntu Touch tablet, would there be a "desktop mode" I could use on it for desktop applications?
[06:29] <somsip> !touch | SourceSlayer
[06:30] <hewomust> hi I made a cronjob to update and upgrade the packages after rebooting, I want to know if there is a way to check the output
[06:30] <Flat4ForLife> you just enjoy using that bot dont ou?
[06:30] <Flat4ForLife> you*
[06:30] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: it's there to help with common questions, that's all
[06:30] <somsip> hewomust: check if it's run in /var/log/syslog, but if you want to see exactly what it does, pipe the output to a file
[06:30] <Flat4ForLife> i know, just giving you a hard time. seems like you pop in first on those
[06:31] <hewomust> ok thanks somsip
[06:31] <somsip> Flat4ForLife: it all depends how busy I am and what else I'm doing
[06:31] <SourceSlayer> Thanks
[06:32] <onaxis> how do i register a nickname?
[06:32] <somsip> !register | onaxis
[06:33]  * Flat4ForLife rests his case
[06:37] <Seagull> Flat4ForLife
[06:37] <Seagull> still same thing
[06:37] <Flat4ForLife> which OS did you try?
[06:37] <Seagull> with live cd running
[06:37] <Seagull> 12.04
[06:38] <Seagull> lspci again only detects the onboard
[06:38] <kdsebastian27_> wazzuppp dudes
[06:38] <nijo> hi
[06:38] <kdsebastian27_> watz d hot topic 2day
[06:38] <somsip> kdsebastian27_: spelling and grammar.
[06:38] <kdsebastian27_> by d way happy valentines to all
[06:39] <nijo> will ubuntu touch be supported on nexus5??
[06:39] <somsip> kdsebastian27_: do you have a support issue we can help with?
[06:39] <somsip> !touch | nijo
[06:39] <nijo> yeah i saw  that
[06:39] <Flat4ForLife> Seagull, so all you did was put a new hd in this computer? or did you physically move the video card from one device to another?
[06:39] <somsip> nijo: k
[06:39] <nijo> but nexus 5 is not in the list
[06:39] <cfhowlett> nijo, which means ... no
[06:39] <somsip> nijo: And support for touch is still not here...
[06:39] <Seagull> all i did was use a new hd
[06:39] <kdsebastian27_> somsip nope
[06:40] <nijo> yeah but i am asking will they provide  support in the near future
[06:40] <somsip> kdsebastian27_: okay - then thanks for the valentine'
[06:40] <Flat4ForLife> nijo, we dont know
[06:40] <cfhowlett> nijo, when they do, it will be announced.
[06:40] <Seagull> Flat4ForLife: the card only moved once to check whether or not it died
[06:40] <somsip> kdsebastian27_: ...s wish, and offtopic chat can be continued in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:40] <Seagull> other than that, its been used on this mobo befor
[06:40] <kdsebastian27_> the only issue i had is you are questioning my gramar
[06:40] <nijo> so you guys suggents i wait before taking a nexus 5
[06:40] <somsip> kdsebastian27_: yeah. Petulant joke. Take it for what it was, eh
[06:40] <nijo> so you guys suggents i wait before buying a nexus 5
[06:41] <kdsebastian27_> sure
[06:41] <cfhowlett> nijo, nobody suggested that.  if you want to *buntu you nexus, use the list on the #touch page for reference
[06:41] <kdsebastian27_> agree somsip
[06:41] <somsip> kdsebastian27_: all cool.
[06:41] <Seagull> Flat4ForLife: not sure if it matters, but i also updated the RAM as well
[06:41] <nenex> I had a boyfriend named Ubuntu once.
[06:41] <cfhowlett> nenex, stop now.
[06:42] <somsip> !ignore {nenex does this daily - he will soon go away)
[06:42] <Flat4ForLife> Seagull, shouldnt matter, no. can you put that video card in the other computer, run the ubuntu live cd, and see if the output is the same?
[06:42] <nenex> he used to "play the bongos" on my ass.
[06:42] <somsip> !ignore (nenex does this daily - he will soon go away)
[06:42] <nenex> how do you like that cfhowlett ?
[06:42] <Seagull> Flat4ForLife: it works fine as-is on the other computer
[06:42] <kdsebastian27_> well well well
[06:42] <Flat4ForLife> under what OS though?
[06:42] <Seagull> once plugged in, its detected
[06:42] <Seagull> 12.04
[06:42] <Seagull> it makes no sense
[06:43] <Flat4ForLife> maybe someone else can help you a bit more, but im in the same boat. makes no sense. almost seems to be a hardware issue, but theres a lot to that stuff that i dont know either
[06:44] <Flat4ForLife> but if it works on one computer with the same OS, plug and play, and not on this one. either another setting is blocking it from being read, or a hardware issue IMO
[06:44] <Flat4ForLife> sorry i cant be of more help
[06:44] <Seagull> thanks Flat4ForLife
[06:44] <Seagull> ill see if someone will want to take a stab @ it
[06:45] <Seagull> so ill ask my question again
[06:45] <TraderJoes> Do any of you run Cisco Connect (admin program for Cisco/Linksys routers)?   I wondered if it works in wine or if I'll have to use the web based administration.
[06:45] <cfhowlett> !cisco
[06:45] <Flat4ForLife> this is ubuntu support TraderJoes
[06:46] <cfhowlett> TraderJoes, might be better asked in #ubuntu-server
[06:46] <kdsebastian27> i config mine on web base admin traderjoes
[06:47] <TraderJoes> ty kdsebastian27
[06:47] <kdsebastian27> agree to <cfhowlett>
[06:47] <Seagull> can anyone help me? my ubuntu 12.10 box/12.04 (live cd) won't detect my pci x16 graphics card
[06:48] <kdsebastian27> are u using intel graphics?
[06:48] <Seagull> nvidia integrated
[06:48] <kdsebastian27> go to check additional drivers it download the proper driver for u
[06:49] <Seagull> it wont install if it doesnt detect it...
[06:49] <Seagull> the adapter isnt recognized
[06:49] <kdsebastian27> come again didn't got your point
[06:50] <Seagull> the card itself isnt detected, so it doesnt know what drivers to install
[06:50] <kdsebastian27> well on this case brother i think u had to install 1st in order to get driver works
[06:51] <kdsebastian27> im not saying it wont work maybe other fella can guide u on that matter
[06:52] <kdsebastian27> but as far as i knew drivers works after reboot so if you reboot you had to run live cd again..and im not sure if you can save the state of os while runnin live
[06:54] <UnixLinux101> I have searched on how to configure traditional run levels, eg 5 is graphical, but no luck
[06:55] <somsip> UnixLinux101: what do you want to achieve?
[06:55] <UnixLinux101> sorry?
[06:55] <somsip> UnixLinux101: there was no question in what you said.
[06:56] <UnixLinux101> i want to use traditional runlevels rather than 2-5 are the same
[06:57] <_root_> whic one is better is handling and prevention in general what I am asking is which one works better ???  a)Postfix + Amavis-new + Spamassassin + Clamav  OR  PostfixGreylisting????
[06:57] <cfhowlett> !poll|_root_,
[06:57] <somsip> !upstart | UnixLinux101 (maybe this will help, but I'm still not sure what you want)
[06:57] <_root_> *in handling
[07:00] <_root_> cfhowlett, clever; but in this case it is one of the two; and someone with background in email servers would now what happens if ones go into wrong path. the consequence varies from getting spam; become spammer to IP black list
[07:01] <cfhowlett> _root_, perhaps better asked of the sysadmins who usually hang out in #ubuntu-server?  I believe most of us here are desktop users ...
[07:03] <_root_> cfhowlett, yes generally you are right but lately the talents hang there are pretty dried up; also today is Friday. (go figure... I am toast) :-)
[07:04] <cfhowlett> :)  I understand.  wish I had the background to actually advise but ...
[07:05] <_root_> cfhowlett, NP; the way I see you know more than I do; thanks mate
[07:06] <HolyQuacomole> Why does my ubuntu wifi drop out so often?
[07:06] <mjayk> HolyQuacomole: bad signal / drivers?
[07:07] <HolyQuacomole> mjayk: Same wifi antenna/usb I use in windows stays connected constantly. How would I update the drivers? I have the driver files I'm pretty sure.
[07:08] <mjayk> HolyQuacomole: So its probably not a signal issue I dont know how you update you drivers depends what card you have and what system you are running
[07:10] <hewomust_> thanks somsip
[07:11] <somsip> hewomust_: np. Er...what for?
[07:13] <hewomust_> you helped me with a startup script
[07:13] <somsip> hewomust_: oh, ok :)
[07:17] <HolyQuacomole> mjayk: It has an install.sh script in the drivers folder but it's self unticking the run as executable option everytime I try & tick it.
[07:18] <mjayk> HolyQuacomole: sudo chmod +x installlscript.sh
[07:18] <mjayk> try that
[07:20] <HolyQuacomole> mjayk: erm, so am I meant to link to the files directory? Surely I don't just type that exact to word?
[07:20] <leeyaa> hello
[07:20] <cfhowlett> leeyaa, greetings
[07:20] <leeyaa> how to check the current PostgreSQL version for ubuntu precise ?
[07:21] <mjayk> HolyQuacomole: go to the folder that the install script is in then type sudo chmod +x nameofscript.sh
[07:21] <ttal> does wine lag when playing games like starcraft 2 for example?
[07:21] <leeyaa> i need 8.4
[07:21] <shafox> Hi anybody having issue on package update ?? I am getting this error messages http://pastie.org/8732446 I am on 12.04
[07:21] <cfhowlett> ttal, compared to native OS?  yes, it will
[07:22] <mjayk> ttlal I play sc2 via wine on linux and it depends very much upon your system
[07:22] <leeyaa> is 8.4 default for precise ?
[07:22] <mjayk> graphics card drivers wine version etc ttal
[07:22] <cfhowlett> leeyaa, 8.4 - what?
[07:22] <leeyaa> chxane: PostgreSQL
[07:22] <leeyaa> sorry  i mean cfhowlett
[07:23] <cfhowlett> leeyaa, :)  sorry, but I know nothing of postgreSQL
[07:23] <jpds> leeyaa: Yep.
[07:23] <ttal> mjayk: cfhowlett: yeah trying to play sc2 and its lagging a bit, and a bit of an issue that sucks ass is I have no sound at the moment.
[07:23] <leeyaa> thanks jpds
[07:23] <cfhowlett> ttal, ram upgrade ...
[07:23] <leeyaa> and 12.04 is precise, yes? :D
[07:23] <jpds> leeyaa: Yep.
[07:24] <mjayk> ttal no sound is a known issue
[07:24] <mjayk> ttal: could be due to two things depending on your wine install
[07:25] <mjayk> ttal: it could either be because you need the 32 bit libs of the alsa and pulse etc
[07:25] <mjayk> ttal: or it could be an mslib over ride in wine
[07:25] <shafox> Hi anybody having issue on package update ?? I am getting this error messages http://pastie.org/8732446
[07:27] <z1haze> how can i move storage from 1 hard drive to what i think is another hard driveon my server? i dont really know much about linux
[07:27] <mjayk> shafox:  try sudo apt-get clean
[07:27] <mjayk> shafox: and are you using any proxy severs
[07:28] <shafox> mjayk, no i am not using an proxy servers.
[07:28] <jpds> shafox: Those are your PPAs complaining.
[07:28] <shafox> i am behind a firewall thats it
[07:28] <z1haze> can someone help me? if i do df -h it shows like 5 different storages.. are those different hard drives?
[07:28] <jpds> shafox: And we don't support PPAs.
[07:28] <shafox> jpds, yeah but its not finding the gpg sig
[07:29] <shafox> jpds, oh come on its just apt-get update error message ... not asking for debug the PPAs
[07:29] <ttal> cfhowlett: Yeah im pretty maxed out on ram here. Ran a hackintosh on this same system and was running fine.
[07:29] <cfhowlett> ttal, laptop hacky?
[07:29] <ttal> no way, desktop i7.
[07:30] <ttal> mjayk: ok i will check those things out and see if it makes a diff.
[07:30] <jpds> shafox: Remove the PPAs. :P
[07:30] <ttal> furk i wish good games were just ported and sold to linux users.
[07:30] <mjayk> ttal:  same
[07:30] <ttal> ...or in this case, given free to play. :)
[07:31] <ttal> this is the only reason i would go back to osx at this stage.
[07:31] <ttal> everything else is mint in linux these days.
[07:32] <ttal> word processing, excel, photoshop equivalent in gimp, blender 3d..
[07:32] <ttal> its quick as a whip, so customizable..
[07:33] <mjayk> preaching to the chior ttl-
[07:34] <DeadEnd> hello friends
[07:34] <ttal> the linux user market probably just has to reach a tipping point for it to be viable to port these games over, and it has not been reached yet..
[07:34] <ttal> I wonder if it hasn't been reached yet, how close it is..
[07:35] <mjayk> people have been saying htat for years
[07:35] <mjayk> i just think it will be slow progression
[07:35] <ttal> I think its a big ask when you think about it.
[07:36] <ttal> The big players being osx and windows, then a much much smaller percentage of linux users. Then of that small percentage of linux users, the small amount on that platform that would be interested in say, starcraft 2. Having to pay to have that ported over for that fraction of the market.
[07:37] <onaxis> when i download something with firefox and do right click on top right arrow  where download progress is, if i choose "open containing folder" it opens audacious!
[07:37] <ttal> I wonder how different the porting would be from osx to linux though, being nix based?
[07:38] <ttal> onaxis: that is audacious..
[07:38] <Hecter> hi guys
[07:38] <Hecter> libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[07:38] <Hecter> : Package 'libapache2-mod-auth-mysql' has no installation candidate on ubuntu 13
[07:38] <mjayk> onaxis: thats a firefox setting you need to change the default program cant remeber the page but its on google
[07:39] <mjayk> Hecter: know bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mod-auth-mysql/+bug/1243076
[07:40] <Hecter> shoot! still no soln up to now i guess?
[07:40] <z1haze> is it possible to reisntall ubuntu on a server via ssh
[07:40] <mjayk> Hecter: yea strange its been around for ages now
[07:40] <Hecter> mjayk: rolling back to 12.04 iguess
[07:41] <mjayk> Hecter: anyway you can run lamp in docker ?
[07:41] <mjayk> might help
[07:42] <mjayk> ( I make the assumption you are trying to run a lamp server )
[07:42] <Hecter> nah, im just gonna go to 12.04, my 13 just a minutes of work
[07:42] <mjayk> :)
[07:46] <fris> anyone know of a working ppa for perl 5.18.x
[07:47] <liuxu> .
[07:49] <BHat_> hello everyone
[07:49] <BHat_> It's anybody here ?
[07:49] <somsip> !anyone | BHat_
[07:49] <phuh> no
[07:50] <BHat_> phuh no ?:))
[07:51] <BHat_> It's anybody interested to parteners with IT domain?
[07:51] <sandman13> i installed cinnamon 2.0 via ppa now unity behaves strange
[07:51] <sandman13> no wallpaper
[07:51] <somsip> !ppa | sandman13
[07:51] <BHat_> It's anybody interested to parteners with IT domain?
[07:51] <rww> BHat_: no, this is an Ubuntu support channel.
[07:51] <somsip> !ot | BHat_
[07:52] <rww> it's not on-topic for #ubuntu-offtopic either.
[07:52] <BHat_> It's anybody interested to parteners with IT domain?
[07:52] <BHat_> It's anybody interested to parteners with IT domain?
[07:52] <rww> BHat_: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[07:52] <mjayk> BHat_: even less interested in people who cannot read
[07:53] <sandman13> somsip, i downloaded cinnamon from the repos of Ubuntu, that froze too often
[07:53] <BHat_> sandman need help?
[07:53] <somsip> sandman13: you said you used a PPA? As the factoid says, they are used at your own risk. We can't support them
[07:53] <cfhowlett> BHat_, no spam please
[07:54] <BHat_> sandman need help?
[07:54] <somsip> sandman13: if you want to get rid of it, you can use !ppa-purge
[07:54] <mjayk> sandman13: best to look at ppa purge to remove the ppa
[07:54] <BHat_> somsip
[07:54] <BHat_> ?
[07:55] <sandman13> somsip the package from repo don't work either
[07:55] <sandman13> official ubuntu repo
[07:55] <sandman13> so i had to install from ppa
[07:55] <somsip> sandman13: install that again then, and come back and maybe you can get some help to get it working.
[07:55] <BHat_> sandman you see my text ?
[07:56] <sandman13> three times is not enough
[07:56] <somsip> sandman13: and the ppa doesn't work. So it was a moot move perhaps
[07:56] <BHat_> sandman you see my text ?
[07:56] <mjayk> sandman13: purge the ppa go back to default and fix the original problem
[07:57] <sandman13> let's try again
[07:58] <BHat_> sandman i want help you ! you see my text ?
[07:59] <BHat_> sandman i want help you ! you see my text ?
[08:00] <z1haze> is it possible to reinstall ubuntu via ssh
[08:00] <BHat_> yes
[08:00] <somsip> z1haze: potentially, but there are a number of preconditions
[08:00] <z1haze> well somsip u know my situation
[08:00] <somsip> z1haze: yes.
[08:00] <z1haze> can i do it?
[08:01] <BHat_> yes
[08:01] <BHat_> it's possible
[08:01] <BHat_> need help?
[08:01] <z1haze> yea but its a slippery slope haha
[08:01] <wget> Hi guys. I just realized that Unity refuses to launch several instances of itself when connecting to an Ubuntu server using xrdp :-/ I had to install another DE like xfce proposed in this tuto http://goo.gl/rnNXab or use gnome-fallback instead.
[08:01] <wget> Is it really the only solution?
[08:01] <BHat_> you use linux right now?
[08:02] <somsip> z1haze: I doubt it. You need a recover system to already be in place, or you need the assistance of your server provider. You suggest you don't have any support. So maybe not
[08:02] <BHat_> you use linux right now?
[08:02] <BHat_> you use linux right now?
[08:02] <z1haze> on my server
[08:02] <BHat_> zlhaze you use linux now ?
[08:02] <z1haze> my server runs linux
[08:03] <cfhowlett> z1haze, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server - pretty sure someone there has done this
[08:03] <z1haze> oh alright
[08:03] <BHat_> zlhaze i help you free !
[08:03] <jsteunou> hi
[08:03] <BHat_> hi
[08:03] <z1haze> lol if u can help me, sure
[08:03] <BHat_> lol :| send me private message
[08:04] <BHat_> i'm from romania sorry for my bad english
[08:04] <somsip> !debootstrap | z1haze
[08:04] <BHat_> goodbye all
[08:05] <sandman13> the ppa was of mint's launchpad
[08:05] <sandman13> gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable
[08:05] <somsip> sandman13: so you're using a mint PPA on an ubuntu installation?
[08:06] <chare> fuck ubuntu spyware I'm switching to mint
[08:06] <mjayk> sandman13: might want to try the mint channel then
[08:06] <mjayk> chare be better switching to arch
[08:06] <sandman13> just for cinnamon somsip
[08:06] <chare> why arch
[08:06] <somsip> sandman13: still a bad idea.
[08:06] <somsip> !adlens | chare (the solution to that is simple)
[08:06] <z1haze> somsip: how can i move the important data to another part of the server than may not be messed up when i reinstall?
[08:07] <mjayk> upstream packages, better package management and I find it more fun. But really if you have 5 mins you can fix ubuntu's "spy ware" problem
[08:07] <lingooo> hi all ACTION=="add",KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{product}=="Mass Storage", RUN+="/tmp/test" is not being triggered when a new mass storage is being inserted any idea? /etc/udev/rules.d/99-usbhook.rules
[08:07] <chare> Mark Shuttleworth is a dick who wants to spy on you
[08:07] <sandman13> somsip i want cinnamon as desktop environment and ubuntu as OS
[08:07] <somsip> z1haze: it depends on the installtion process.
[08:07] <chare> arch uses a totally different package manager right mjayk?
[08:07] <c2tarun> Hi, can anyone please tell me the difference between recursive and non recursive option of rsync? I tried to sync two folders with and without recursive option, and I am getting the same result. Both the folders have directories inside.
[08:08] <lingooo> anyone?
[08:08] <mjayk> chare thats correct
[08:08] <somsip> !info cinnamon
[08:08] <Hecter> i added my user as "demo    ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL"
[08:08] <Hecter> still cant mkdir
[08:08] <z1haze> somsip: that was well i do df -h and i ge this http://pastebin.com/F7WAAgSQ
[08:08] <somsip> sandman13: so there's your official package. If you use a PPA, it will not be supported here
[08:09] <Hecter> permission denied, where will I start?
[08:09] <z1haze> but i dont know what that stuff is
[08:09] <chare> !mate
[08:09] <mjayk> Hecter: where are you trying to make the directory ?
[08:09] <chare> !info mate
[08:09] <sandman13> somsip tried that but once i click anywhere on the DE, cinnamon freezes
[08:09] <z1haze> i think this might work tho if i can get it to reinstall over ssh
[08:09] <sandman13> *desktop
[08:09] <Hecter> mjakay: yes, visudo is different from permission?
[08:09] <somsip> sandman13: reinstall a suported version, then come back here for help on it
[08:10] <mjayk> Hecter: sorry i dont know what visudo is
[08:11] <z1haze> somsip: did u see what i showed? can i maybe move it into one of those ?
[08:11] <Hecter> mjayk: how do i permit my new user? git clone cant make a directory too
[08:11] <sandman13> somsip, how do you view the installation errors after installing ubuntu
[08:11] <somsip> z1haze: if you don't delete a partition when you install, it should still be there after you install.
[08:11] <mjayk> Hecter: I dont know what you are trying to do sorry
[08:12] <lingooo> i need help!!!
[08:12] <somsip> sandman13: I don't know
[08:12] <cfhowlett> !ask|lingooo,
[08:12] <chare> is anyone going to stop ubunt spying and tell the team to STOP BUNDLING IT
[08:12] <Hecter> mjayk: ok :/
[08:12] <z1haze> how can i move my important stuff to 1 of those other areas?
[08:12] <cfhowlett> !fud|chare,
[08:12] <lingooo> !!!patience
[08:12] <somsip> chare: you've been told how to do this already. Please don't use this channel just for ranting
[08:12] <Hecter> i have setup a new server, they recomment i create a new user and install stuffs not with "root"
[08:12] <sandman13> somsip, it said some packages failed to restore while reinstalling the OS
[08:13] <z1haze> repeating cause of the spam; how can i move my important stuff to 1 of those other areas?
[08:13] <somsip> sandman13: try /var/log/apt/history (or similar)
[08:13] <Hecter> well my main problem is getting my newuser permission to do stuffs :/
[08:13] <pahaloom> c2tarun, did the folders have any subdirectories?
[08:16] <z1haze> m ok
[08:16] <z1haze> thanks
[08:17] <helmut_> hi
[08:24] <teju> hi all.. i have an ubuntu host server...i created 2 bridges br0 and br1 on my host server.... can I configure a VM to use both the bridges??
[08:24] <cfhowlett> !server|teju,
[08:27] <teju> ubottu: i went through many online manuals...but,no help
[08:28] <mregg> Hi - I have some questions on Samba config please
[08:28] <cfhowlett> !samba
[08:29] <cfhowlett> mregg, ask away
[08:29] <mregg> Ok, but I need some further help
[08:29] <mregg> So, what I'd like to know is what permissions I must give my ubuntu shared folders
[08:33] <mregg> Need help with linux permissions on samba shared folders
[08:34] <cfhowlett> mregg, might be better asked in #ubuntu-server
[08:34] <mregg> cfhowlett: ok, I'll try that, thanks for the tip
[08:37] <nikolam> I would like to run application under wine (game) But I would like to isolate it from the rest of the system. (and file system). Can i use openvz or something similar, to isolate everything under wine, not to be able to read/write everywhere?
[08:37] <jpds> nikolam: Use AppArmor.
[08:38] <nikolam> aha, jpds it can isolate programs, so I set rules for them, right
[08:39] <jpds> If you're going to do virt, you might as well virtualize Windows in a VM and run the game in that.
[08:39] <nikolam> jpds, yeah, but don't know what would be faster. I suspect virtualizing whole OS would be slower
[08:42] <ifireball> hi there, I'm trying to upgrade 13.4 to 13.10, getting "Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore" from update-manager -c instead of the update window
[08:43] <chinhnv> hello
[08:43] <ifireball> hi
[08:43] <chinhnv> how are u today?
[08:43] <cfhowlett_> ifireball, 13.04 has reached end of life
[08:44] <ifireball> cfhowlett_, I know that is why I want to upgrade
[08:44] <cfhowlett_> chinhnv, what is your ubuntu support question?
[08:44] <cfhowlett_> !eol
[08:44] <ckknight> what is the cause of read only file system in ubuntu?
[08:44] <zgsppdale> Can I train dragons like I can with dragonfly BSD?
[08:44] <cfhowlett_> ifireball, see the ^^^
[08:44] <zgsppdale> Just kiddding
[08:44] <zgsppdale> X3
[08:45] <cfhowlett_> !behelpful|zgsppdale,
[08:45] <somsip> ckknight: deliberately mounted as RO, remounted RO after errors experienced, media not rewriteable, media damaged...
[08:45] <somsip> s/rewriteable/writeable
[08:45] <zgsppdale> mv ~/ /dev/null
[08:45] <zgsppdale> Oops
[08:46] <chinhnv> I want to installing skype
[08:46] <cfhowlett_> chinhnv, and?
[08:46] <cfhowlett_> !skype
[08:47] <nikolam> cfhowlett_, while also encrypting communication with SIP and ekiga is also an issue....
[08:49] <kibibyte> hi im trying to kill remote process in my script but when im trying: ssh test@localhost "pkill -f myprocces" im getting "Operation not permitted error"
[08:49] <somsip> kibibyte: ssh to the server and run that command. Is there any output?
[08:50] <ifireball> cfhowlett_, this guide doesn't seem to say how to actually do the upgrade, just list preperations, and talk about way older releases
[08:50] <kibibyte> when i login manually and execute this command it works ok
[08:51] <Atw> can you send 'sudo' as part of the ssh one liner? I don't know but maybe that would do it.
[08:51] <kibibyte> ?
[08:51] <kibibyte> hm
[08:51] <cfhowlett_> ifireball, the update methods described work - ignore the "way older" releases and do the process
[08:52] <kibibyte> somsip, any sugestions
[08:52] <kibibyte> ?
[08:52] <nikolam> jpds, thanks ;p
[08:52] <somsip> kibibyte: do you ssh in as the same user that's in the command you posted before?
[08:52] <kibibyte> yes
[08:52] <cfhowlett_> ifireball, all that said, you might find it easier to just .torrent the current release (or 12.04 for Long Term Support) and do a clean install
[08:53] <dwarder> The following packages have unmet dependencies: pinba-engine-mysql-5.5 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.5 (< 5.5.33) but 5.5.35-0ubuntu0.13.10.2 is to be installed
[08:53] <somsip> kibibyte: and the process is definitely running?
[08:53] <dwarder> do i need to upgrade my mysql
[08:53] <dwarder> ?
[08:53] <dwarder> or do i need i higher version of the pinba
[08:54] <ifireball> cfhowlett_, no way, I've beed dist upgrading for more then 10 years, I don't have all say to rebuild everything
[08:54] <cfhowlett_> ifireball, OK then -
[08:54] <xyzwhatever> how can I find out whether other computers can access a port that I specified in iptables?
[08:55] <ifireball> cfhowlett_, I'n'm just annoyed at the baring dead canonical decision to not show the dist upgrade GUI after a certain date, I'd expect that from Apple or Microsoft, not them
[08:56] <kibibyte> somsip, not it does not run it tries to kill some other proceses
[08:56] <cfhowlett_> ifireball, switch to LTS for a more extended support calendar
[08:56] <ifireball> cfhowlett_, That being said, the page you gave me talks endlessly about dependencies, but doesn't stat what the command for upgrade is
[08:56] <somsip> kibibyte: you've lost me there...
[08:56] <kibibyte> pkill: killing pid 19390 failed: Operation not permitted
[08:56] <kibibyte> pkill: killing pid 19391 failed: Operation not permitted
[08:56] <kibibyte> somsip, but i dont know why it tries to kill it
[08:56] <kibibyte> since if i execute it by hand there no such result
[08:57] <somsip> kibibyte: and are those processes running when the pkill command is issued?>
[08:57] <kibibyte> maybe
[08:57] <ifireball> cfhowlett_, I don't to switch to anything just want to upgrade from before-latest to latest a couple of days after it was EOLes it doens't seem to much to ask
[08:57] <cfhowlett_> ifireball, see the 8.10 to 9.04 page   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Intrepid
[08:57] <somsip> kibibyte: I think 'definitely' is the answer needed to make sure that command does not fail
[08:57] <kibibyte> i want kill old process if its running and start it again
[08:58] <somsip> kibibyte: then you need a script to do that, the ssh in to run the script
[08:58] <somsip> *then ssh in...
[08:58] <kibibyte> somsip but im executing sequence of commands over ssh
[08:58] <kibibyte> to kill and start it
[08:59] <somsip> kibibyte: if it is not running when you pkill it, you will get an error won't you?
[08:59] <kibibyte> somsip, no
[08:59] <kibibyte> test@b-desk:~$ pkill -f foo
[08:59] <kibibyte> test@b-desk:~$
[08:59] <kibibyte> see
[08:59] <somsip> kibibyte: ok - so you don't
[08:59] <kibibyte> no error
[09:00] <chinhnv> I want to know my ubuntu of 32-bit or 64-bit?
[09:00] <xyzwhatever> chinhnv: type "uname -a"
[09:00] <G|ass> are all windows 8 version able to change language and locals?
[09:01] <chinhnv> where?
[09:01] <somsip> G|ass: this is the ubuntu support channel. You need ##windows
[09:01] <xyzwhatever> in terminal of course
[09:01] <cfhowlett_> G|ass, ask in #windows
[09:01] <G|ass> sorry wrong window
[09:01] <xyzwhatever> helps i cant get vnc server working on centOS :/
[09:02] <somsip> xyzwhatever: how does ubuntu support relate to that problem?
[09:02] <cfhowlett_> xyzwhatever, take it up with the centOS channel - this is ubuntu
[09:02] <xyzwhatever> cant enter the cenos channel :(
[09:02] <somsip> xyzwhatever: it's still not an ubuntu support issue
[09:02] <cfhowlett_> xyzwhatever, so - not our issue.
[09:03] <somsip> cfhowlett_: who's lagging who here? ;)
[09:03] <DJones> xyzwhatever: If you join #freenode, there should be somebody that can help you get into the centos channel, from memory, that channel may need a registered nick before you can join
[09:03] <cfhowlett_> somsip, usually I give cookies.  you're going to force me to take yours
[09:03] <cfhowlett_> :0
[09:03] <somsip> cfhowlett_: gah! Sshh now. Ops are here...
[09:04] <Kartagis> xyzwhatever: register yout nick
[09:04] <chinhnv> Does means i686?
[09:04] <somsip> chinhnv: 64 bit
[09:04] <chinhnv> thank you
[09:05] <Kartagis> isn't i686 32 and x86_64 64?
[09:05] <cfhowlett_> Kartagis, yep
[09:06] <somsip> chinhnv: looks like I'm wrong on that one. I defer.
[09:07] <Atw> Question, I'm running a 12.04 server and when I change users while ssh'd in my Ruby version changes, even after going back to the first user? ie "ssh deploy@1111 , ruby -v = 2.0 , su user  , ruby -v = 1.9.1 , su deploy , ruby -v = 1.9.1 (not back to 2.0? why?)" Is this a Path issue, or what is going on here?
[09:07] <sazawal> I am using Ubuntu 13.04 64 bit with gnome-shell. My screen suddenly turns fuzzy with yellow-blue color and freezes. Keyboard-mouse stops working, even Ctrl Alt F1 doesnt work. Here is a video of the screen I shot with a camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1K0QYjon9I. I have looked at the system logs but couldnt find anything. Also before the crash I can see display tearing up with a flash in blue color 4-5 times. Please help.
[09:07] <zgsppdale> Back
[09:07] <cfhowlett_> sazawal, 13.04 has reached end of life and is no longer supported
[09:07] <zgsppdale> :3
[09:08] <cfhowlett_> !server|Atw,
[09:08] <sazawal> cfhowlett_, yes but its been few days only. I need some more time to upgrade it. The problem was already there and I am facing this for like one month.
[09:08] <somsip> Atw: I understand rbenv can be run in .bashrc or similar. Is there any way this is causing a different version to be recognised?
[09:09] <somsip> Atw: not run, but initialilsed...whatever
[09:09] <cfhowlett_> sazawal, could be that upgrading will fix it.  anyway - end of life = end of support.
[09:10] <jatt> what does the 't' mean in the following permissions?:
[09:10] <jatt> drwxrwxr-t
[09:10] <sazawal> cfhowlett_, I know upgrading will fix it. But I am not in a position to upgrade it at this moment. Anyways, thanks for the suggestion.
[09:10] <Atw> somsip I do have rbenv installed, but can you explain why is would change? are programs installed per user by default?
[09:11] <somsip> Atw: I have no idea about ruby itself, but I suppose that is possible. deploy has a different version installed locally than root. Dunno to be sure though
[09:12] <Atw> somsip I guess really I'm just trying to understand 'local' vs 'root' vs 'user' etc, ruby I don't really care about, I just want to know a little about what the OS might be doing.
[09:13] <somsip> Atw: I can only give you a python analogy, with virtualenv. When virtualenv is activated, it adds PATH for a version of python installed in the project files so that is version accessible to the user. If another user does not activate virtualenv, the systemwide version will be the one they use. Not sure if that helps, or if it is the same in ruby/rbenv
[09:15] <ifireball> Atw, I don't know about rbenv , but RVM simply adds settings to your shell dotfiles that makes it change PATH to poing to the proper ruby release accordign to where you are
[09:15] <vorticesoft> anyone knows an alternative to teamviewer? as easy to setup as teamviewer
 Try Robomon
 it uses VPN , and vnc for screen shareing.
 and its free
[09:17] <ifireball> Robuk, I think you should say that to vorticesoft
[09:17] <vorticesoft> :)
[09:17] <vorticesoft> yes :)
 yes sorry for that , double vision first thing in morning.
 that last chat was for you , but you worked that out :-)
[09:18] <dwarder> guys what shoudl i do with this ? http://pastebin.com/kiABYLPA
[09:19] <dwarder> upgrading mysql-server and mysql-client packages didn't help
[09:19] <vorticesoft> jeje yes, but robomon is windows only??
[09:20] <vorticesoft> google doesn't give me much information
 sorry its remobo .. http://www.remobo.com/download
[09:26] <vorticesoft> thank you robuk
[09:26] <vorticesoft> i'm going to test it
[09:26] <alumno> hi
[09:28] <sazawal> I am using Ubuntu 13.04 64 bit with gnome-shell. My screen suddenly turns fuzzy with yellow-blue color and freezes. Keyboard-mouse stops working, even Ctrl Alt F1 doesnt work. Here is a video of the screen I shot with a camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1K0QYjon9I. I have looked at the system logs but couldnt find anything. Also before the crash I can see display tearing up with a flash in blue color 4-5 times. Please help.
[09:28] <vorticesoft> hi alumno
 you get your clients to install this , and then on your screen you can see your clients and can then remote scrren on to them in a vpn tunnel.
 you have a nvidia card ?
[09:30] <sazawal> Robuk, No, I dont think so. My System Settings>Details>Graphics says Intel® Ivybridge Desktop
[09:30] <vorticesoft> Robuk, I need to setup for them teamviewer too, so it's similar in this
[09:31] <Atw> sazawal I would try two things, booting from a Live CD OS (to test if its your install), try another monitor/TV (that might be the issue), if that isn't it look to the GPU, maybe try on board/CPU if you have a new intel one.
[09:32] <Rache> привет
[09:32] <Rory> !ru | Rache
[09:32] <sazawal> Atw, But the screen freeze happens all of a sudden. I am not sure when it is going to happen. Otherwise, the system is working fine.
[09:32] <Huike> I'm installing ubuntu 12.04.4 on a new pc with Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 M/B, AMD Athlon II X2 250 CPU, Sapphire HD7950 MAC edition vga card, OCZ DDR3 2x2GB RAM. the problem is the USB 3.0 with VIA VL805 chipset is not working in ubuntu. insert anything there is no response in ubuntu. any idea?
[09:33] <sazawal> Atw, I am sure it is not a monitor issue, it switched my monitor off and on and it still displays the same
[09:33] <sazawal> I switched*
[09:34] <Atw> sazawal maybe look into Heat or driver issues. Also running a Live OS for a day or two if that is an option would let you see if it happens there, meaning hardware vs install issue.
 I do beleive that intel have created new linux drivers now. tat should fix your problem https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[09:35] <sazawal> Atw, right I can do that. Is there something you can say looking at the system logs just before the crash?
[09:39] <sazawal> Robuk, It is for Ubuntu 13.10. I have downloaded it but it says dependency is not satisfiable libglib2.0-0 (>=2.37.3)
[09:40] <hsync> leace
[09:42] <weini> hy :)
[09:42] <weini> sb is here who work with the btrfs filesystem?
[09:43] <ryan___> hello
[09:43] <weini> hy
[09:43] <ryan___> i have an error installing ubuntu
[09:44] <weini> which?
[09:44] <Huike> I'm installing ubuntu 12.04.4 on a new pc with Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 M/B, AMD Athlon II X2 250 CPU, Sapphire HD7950 MAC edition vga card, OCZ DDR3 2x2GB RAM. the problem is the USB 3.0 with VIA VL805 chipset is not working in ubuntu. insert anything there is no response in ubuntu. any idea?
[09:45] <ryan___> i want to dual boot, i loaded ubuntu onto a usb stick and pressed F12 to start the boot manager. I select the language, join wifi. and then it says your computer has no detected operating systems, which i know is not true
 run sudo apt-get update
[09:45] <ryan___> im not linux
[09:46] <sazawal> Robuk, I do that everyday. The problem persists.
[09:46] <marz> I can no longer connect to WiFi. No wlan0 appears when i type in "ifconfig".
[09:46] <ryan___> i want to dual boot. but the install says i have no OS on my computer
 Then install sudo apt-get install -f libglib2.0-0 [or better]
[09:47] <ryan___> i am not linux
[09:48] <ryan___> can anyone help me please?
[09:49] <ryan___> hello anyone
[09:49] <Waynes> What does it mean if the gateway is '*' when using "route" command? I read the man pages and it says in this case, gateway is not set, but where do my packets go then?
[09:49] <Ben64> ryan___: you're going to need to give a lot more information if you want help here
[09:50] <ryan___> i cannot say it simpler, i went to install UBUNTU and it says i have no detected OS on my pc
[09:50] <Ben64> what is "it"
[09:52] <Waynes> E.g. I have "Destination: 192.168.0.0 Gateway: * Genmask: 255.255.0.0", will all my packets to 192.168.something.something be discarded?
[09:52] <Atw> Ben64 I think 'it' is his ubuntu-loaded usb stick, during the install it tells him that.
[09:53] <ryan___> yes ben
 * the packets will default to 0.0.0.0 as no gateway is currently set . 0.0.0.0 is the internet or your routers wan in most cases.
[09:53] <Ben64> ryan___: post a screenshot of it
[09:53] <Waynes> Robuk: So * is another name for default gateway?
[09:53] <ryan___> i cant do that
[09:54] <Ben64> why not
[09:54] <ryan___> it is exactly the same as this
[09:54] <ryan___> http://i.imgur.com/okaqb.png
[09:55] <madzik> hello is anyone here familiar with python
[09:55] <madzik> ?
[09:55] <sazawal> Robuk, Are you sure this is a graphics driver issue? I don't want things to mess up more.
[09:55] <Waynes> madzik: #python
[09:55] <Ben64> ryan___: ok, and what's the other operating system on the drive right now
[09:55] <ryan___> windows 8.1
[09:57] <Ben64> ryan___: there you go, now we have enough information. the problem is probably due to efi and/or gpt
[09:57] <ryan___> and what is that?
[09:58] <Hecter2> how do i list exact service name
  Going by my expirence , shering of the screen , pixels everywhaere and just a mess for a screen have always been driver issues for me . All mine have nenn on nvida.
[09:58] <Hecter2> i need to restart mysql
[09:58] <Hecter2> sudo: unable to resolve host terran
[09:58] <Hecter2> start: unrecognized service
 I herd that Intel have now released much better and stable drivers now for linux
[09:59] <Hecter2> - /etc/phpmyadmin$ sudo service start mysql
[09:59] <Hecter2> sudo: unable to resolve host terran
[09:59] <Hecter2> start: unrecognized service
[09:59] <ryan___> ben
[09:59] <sazawal> Robuk, Okay, then I can try this.
 you can do what you feel is right for your self, just giving you some idea. Please dont follow if you think its no right or your unsure.
[10:00] <marz> I can no longer connect to WiFI, no wlan0 appears when i type in "ifconfig"
[10:00] <Ben64> !efi | ryan___
[10:01] <sazawal> Robuk, I have filed a bug on launchpad. Let's see if someone fixes it then I am alright, otherwise I will try your solution.
[10:01] <Hecter> got it sudo service mysql restart
[10:01] <ryan___> makes no sense
[10:01] <marz> I'm having problems connecting to WiFi
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> marz: what wifi chip?
 i had dreadful issue with my GFX when i was on beta ubuntu13 only to find out that nvidia drive for my card only goes upto 304 .
[10:04] <marz> ActionParsnip: I can see it in "AdditionalDrivers" It says that it is activated and currently in use. It's a Broadcom STA wireless driver
 if you run mrt www. google.com do you get replies back ?
[10:06] <sazawal> Robuk, Ok. There was something strange with my graphics card. I did not see anything appearing in Software Properties > Additional Drivers and it said "No proprietary drivers in use". I searched more and I found that this is some hi-performance graphics card newly launched by intel.
[10:08] <marz> there is no wlan0 when i type in "ifconfig"
 i believe the ivy sandybridge graphics cards also had a windows updates as weall.
[10:10] <marz> ifconfig doesn't show wlan0
[10:10] <sazawal> Robuk, every card in the world supports windows.
[10:10] <safrir> Hi.  I'm trying to mount a FS and I get JBD2: recovery failed , EXT4-fs (dm-1): error loading journal
[10:10] <safrir> what shall i do?
[10:12] <Seagull> yay
[10:12] <Seagull> i figured it out
[10:12] <Seagull> w0w
[10:12] <Seagull> thanks 2 everyone who helped
 make sure its not mounted at all find out what device its on , then run fschk.ext4 /dev/<name> ....http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/repairing-linux-ext2-or-ext3-file-system.html
[10:15] <safrir> Robuk: how can i know it's not mounted?
[10:17] <dwarder> is there a way i can isntall mysql version 5.5.33 instead of 5.5.34 that is the version installed in ubunt 13.10?
 the comamnd is just mount
[10:19] <safrir> ok ty
[10:19] <safrir> all the partitions  suddenly disappeared except the live cd
[10:19] <safrir> i can't see the HD
 most prob nothing is mounted
[10:24] <safrir> Robuk: i get fsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/.....   Could this be a zero-length partition?
[10:25] <thegravy> hi ubuntu users :) anybody know about a radio for linux with option to delay the audio? to fit what i hear in the radio with what i see in the tv (sports).
[10:26] <safrir> thegravy: maybe vlc has it
[10:26] <thegravy> safrir: vlc got this option?
[10:27] <safrir> thegravy: at least with video
[10:28] <thegravy> ok safrir will see if i can do that with vlc... i use in windows clacradio, but i cant use it with wine
[10:28] <dwarder> is there a way i can isntall mysql version 5.5.33 instead of 5.5.34 that is the version installed in ubunt 13.10?
 What message was dissplayed ?
[10:35] <ohmy> hi
[10:36] <ohmy> my ubuntu server crashes (power cut) recently, everything looks fine except apache2 that refuses to start (service apache2 start or /etc/init.d/apache2 start)
[10:36] <ohmy> the commands does not output anything
[10:36] <ohmy> Bonjour
[10:37] <Rory> ohmy: Can you put the contents of the "/var/log/apache2/error.log" file on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[10:37] <Rory> ohmy: sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit; sudo pastebinit /var/log/apache2/error.log
[10:39] <jfer> I was wondering if Ubuntu will run on a Dell Inspiron Oak 15 Main HS 5537?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> jfer: probably, try it and see
[10:39] <Rory> jfer: Almost certainly yes, just try a live USB and find out
[10:39] <jfer> I was looking to buy one
[10:39] <Rory> jfer: It's rare that it won't just flat-out "not work", these days
[10:40] <Rory> jfer: If you have any issues, they'll tend to be specific ones like "wireless doesn't work out of the box", with specific fixes
[10:40] <jfer> I see.
[10:40] <jfer> Any good forums to look for these specific issues?
[10:41] <dwarder> how to donwgrade mysql 5.5.34 to 5.5.32 on ubuntu 13.10?
[10:41] <dwarder> downgrade
[10:41] <ohmy> Rory: all the log is before the crash http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930473/
[10:41] <Rory> jfer: The best thing would be to look at the specific hardware it uses, most importantly the wireless chipset and graphics card
[10:41] <Rory> jfer: And then look for Ubuntu support of those components
[10:41] <jfer> Rory: Thanks for your help. I will do that.
[10:43] <chare> omg what is this upper left corner workspace switcher shit in linux mint
[10:43] <gordonjcp> !mint | chare
[10:43] <chare> god damn it linux mint is almost as bad as ubuntu
[10:43] <gordonjcp> :-D
[10:44] <gordonjcp> Mint will be good when it ships with Unity as the default desktop
[10:44] <chare> unity is EVEN WORSE
[10:44] <gordonjcp> unity is about the best DE out there
[10:44] <bazhang> no cursing here chare
[10:44] <gordonjcp> everything else flat out sucks
[10:45] <Rory> !nounity | Oh boy, are we discussing whether or not Unity is good?
[10:45] <chare> stop supporting unity
[10:45] <chare> you're just making ubuntu worse
[10:45] <bazhang> !ot | chare
[10:46] <Ben64> if you don't like it, don't use it. rant somewhere else
[10:46] <pipegeek> hi, folks.  I'm trying to rebundle one of the AMIs from https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ (the precise amd64 s3-backed one), and I can't figure out why connections to the newly-minted AMI on port 22 are timing out
[10:46] <pipegeek> any idea what I might be missing here?  I see sshd starting, and I see it configuring itself with the correct private IP.  Is there a particular trick to rebundling the ubuntu AMIs?
[10:47] <Rory> pipegeek: If you're bringing it up on AWS, make sure the security groups are configured correctly to allow inbound TCP/22 from your network
[10:48] <joshu_> is it possible to install ubuntu on a hard drive using squashfs so that there are two ubuntu installs?
[10:48] <pipegeek> Rory, they are.
[10:48] <Rory> joshu_: Do you need squashfs specifically? Because you can install Ubuntu as many times as you like on one machine, all in different partitions
[10:48] <pipegeek> from 0.0.0.0/0 in fact
[10:49] <Rory> pipegeek: When you say you "see sshd starting" where do you see this?
[10:49] <pipegeek> Rory, in the console output in the aws console
[10:49] <Rory> Does that give you an interactive shell?
[10:49] <pipegeek> Rory, actually, no.  I see the ssh host keys being generated
[10:49] <pipegeek> Rory, no, it does not.
[10:49] <dupingping> Hi
[10:49] <dupingping> I had registered my app at https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps
[10:49] <dupingping> How can I distribute myapp in the world?
[10:50] <bazhang> !ppa | dupingping
[10:50] <Rory> pipegeek: Can you reach any other services on that instance, such as HTTP?
[10:50] <Scroff> What happens if you telnet to port 22 on the server?
[10:50] <joshu_> Rory I would like to have it so that there are two Ubuntu installs on the hard drive as in active image and old image. I've seen this done with some ISO distributions based on debian and would like to do the same if possible.
[10:50] <pipegeek> Rory, there are no other services on the instance
[10:50] <Scroff> Does that time out too?
[10:51] <Rory> pipegeek: Can you pastebin the output of "ssh -vv username@machine-address" - feel free to scrub IPs if you prefer.
[10:51] <Rory> pipegeek: `paste`
[10:51] <Rory> pipegeek: Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> chare: you don't have to use Unity, so no it's fine as it is
[10:52] <pipegeek> Rory, there's only six lines of output, the last of which is, connection timed out
[10:52] <Rory> pipegeek: Okay can you do "telnet hostname 22"
[10:52] <Rory> pipegeek: And see if it says "connected to..."
[10:52] <dupingping> Yesterday I removed some two tiny partions from the disk,
[10:52] <pipegeek> Rory, also timing out
[10:52] <dupingping> Today it won't boot. I opened my computer from USB now,
[10:52] <dupingping> but I can not install grub from chroot.
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> pipegeek: have you tried to SSH using the -v option for (v)erbose output?
[10:53] <dupingping> I run sudo blkid I noticed that my ubuntu installed partition moved from sda6 to sda5.
[10:53] <dupingping> First I run sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt then sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda5 but I get following error.
[10:53] <pipegeek> ActionParsnip, yes.  It is timing out trying to connect to the port.  There are only six lines of output.
[10:53] <dupingping> following error is shown:
[10:53] <Rory> pipegeek: Okay, so that means either nothing is listening on port 22, or that there's some firewall between you and the instance
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> dupingping: isnt sda5 always the extended partition?
[10:54] <pipegeek> Rory, so, if it's a firewall problem, it's not the security group.  Could it be UFW interfering with things?
[10:54] <dupingping> sda5 is extended partition.
[10:54] <bazhang> !enter | dupingping
[10:54] <Rory> pipegeek: Out of interest, what's the IP you're trying to connect to? Is it like "ip-10-86..." or is it like "ec2-54-229..."
[10:54] <dupingping> sorry, bazhang
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> dupingping: then it will be on sda6 which is the first logical partition in the extended partition
[10:55] <pipegeek> Rory, well, neither, since I'm connecting to the IP directly.  But it's the latter
[10:55] <pipegeek> ie, the public ip
[10:55] <Rory> pipegeek: Yeah sure that's what iw as getting at
[10:55] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: yes.
[10:55] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: then now what do i do.
[10:55] <pipegeek> Rory, also, the instance I created the ami from was configured identically, and worked fine
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> dupingping: so explains the error.....
[10:55] <Scroff> What's the status of the 2 health checks in AWS?
[10:56] <pipegeek> Rory, so, either ufw or sshd seems at fault.  I'm not sure why it would be either
[10:56] <Scroff> Does it say 2/2 passed (after you refresh a few times)
[10:56] <dupingping> following messages are shown:
[10:56] <Rory> pipegeek: Could you try to build a new AMI with apache2 or something listening? If that works, but sshd doesn't it'll help narrow down your search
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> pipegeek: public IP? as in over WWW?
[10:56] <pipegeek> ActionParsnip, huh?
[10:56] <Rory> ActionParsnip: Presumably an elastic IP, yes they're globally routable, "real" addresses
[10:56] <pipegeek> And Rory , sure
[10:56] <dupingping> "/usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding."
[10:57] <dupingping> "/usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be"
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> pipegeek: you cannot install grub to sda5 as its not a real partition per-se
[10:57] <dupingping> "installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their   "
[10:57] <Scroff> Is the instance in a VPC?
[10:57] <dupingping> "use is discouraged..
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> Rory: can you ping the IP?
[10:57] <Scroff> And the other one you can connect to, is it in the same subnet?
[10:57] <Rory> ActionParsnip: It's not me it's pipegeek. And by default, you can't ping instances
[10:57] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: what?
[10:58] <nikolam> for some reason, I can not use Broadcom NeXteme BCM5721 os Ubuntu 13.10 (and 12.10 previously). It is displayed as Disabled in lshw and does not come up, whatever I put in /etc/network/interfaces (ifconfic does not affect it). Worked on 12.04 32bit.
[10:58] <nikolam> and for 12.10/13.10 motherboard is changed and same install used
[10:58] <dupingping> ActionParsnip: detail about it?
[10:58] <pipegeek> Rory, that's a really good point though
[10:58] <pipegeek> I'll open up ICMP to it and see if it's pingable
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: do you dual boot?
[10:59] <Rory> Yeah basically you just need to see if it's a networking problem between you and the instance, or if it's a systems problem with some configuration on the instance
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: try:  sudo rfkill unblock all
[10:59] <thegravy> finally i found a radiodelay application, read me file explain the use of it, but theres no info on where in need to put the file. http://sourceforge.net/projects/delayradio/ this is the file. any help on where i need to put hte file?
[11:00] <nikolam> mm ActionParsnip I think it recognized some xp during install , so yes. I could be able to verify it working, yes
[11:00] <Rory> pipegeek: It might be useful if you screenshotted the instance information panel on the EC" console
[11:00] <Rory> pipegeek: EC2*
[11:00] <pipegeek> Rory, will do.  Also, the instance *is* pingable, which suggests a problem with sshd
[11:01] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, it is ethernet LAN card, i did tha
[11:02] <Rory> pipegeek: Okay so it's likely the service simply isn't running. Not sure how the manual AMI build-process works, as we have a set of build-scripts with Salt and some automatic buildslaves at work, but the command you want is: sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults
[11:02] <pipegeek> Rory, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930548/
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: did it bring the interface up?
[11:02] <dupingping> !addppa
[11:02] <Rory> pipegeek: What's this?
[11:02] <pipegeek> console output.
[11:02] <pipegeek> the "screenshot" you wanted ;)
[11:02] <dupingping> !ppa-purge
[11:02] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, no it did not
[11:02] <pipegeek> Rory, and, I know the instance itself is reboot-safe.  I've rebooted it.  So presumably ssh is enabled in init.
[11:03] <dupingping> and.
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> nikolam: try unloading and reloading the kernel module driving it
[11:03] <nikolam> neither ifconfig up does it, even if fixed settings are in /etc/network/interfaces. I have wilreless up.
[11:04] <safrir> hi
[11:05] <Busybyeski> if i'm interested in running couchpotato, what would be a good working directory, since it's sortof "software" through scripts but i'll also want to git into it every once in a while? is there a good spot in the filesystem for that kind of idea?
[11:05] <pipegeek> Rory, interesting.  Comparing it to the instance it was based on... there's a lot that's meant to happen after that point, and isn't happening
[11:05] <pipegeek> so, okay.  The instance isn't booting all the way
[11:05] <pipegeek> it's blocking for some reason
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: http://www.linuxplained.com/install-couchpotato-v2-on-ubuntu/
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: http://www.gizmojunkee.com/2013/10/setup-couchpotato-on-ubuntu-12-04-server/
[11:07] <safrir> How can I run fsck.ext4 on a logical volume?  i get a fsck.ext4: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/dm-0
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> safrir: is the partition unmounted?
[11:07] <Busybyeski> ActionParsnip: are hidden directories often used for that kind of thing?
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: why does it matter?
[11:08] <Busybyeski> ActionParsnip: i just don't want to have a cluttered system, if that makes sense
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> Busybyeski: as long as the folders are referenced correctly you can have them unhidden or hidden
[11:09] <Busybyeski> but there's no convention for software built from source?
 try running sudo lvdisplay
[11:09] <safrir> ActionParsnip: i typed mount and i don't see it
[11:10] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, no effect, unloading/loading kernel module tg3 for Broadcom NeXteme BCM5721
[11:10] <pipegeek> Rory, hey.  So, when I rebooted the instance in question, it spit out something potentially relevant: "Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket"
[11:10] <pipegeek> "No such file or directory"
[11:10] <nikolam> it shows on ifconfig -a but does not come online
[11:10] <pipegeek> could that cause the init system to block indefinitely?
[11:10] <safrir> Robuk: How can I know it's mounted?
 the dev/dm-0 is not a normal drive dev name . also sun sudo fdisk -l dose your drive show up in the list. if so what device name is it given.
[11:12] <pipegeek> man, I haven't had to do this in years
[11:12] <pipegeek> I didn't miss it :P
[11:12] <nikolam> Ethernet network is geyed out in network manager
[11:13] <safrir> Robuk: maybe there's an lvm partition inside the LV, i'm not sure
[11:13] <Robuk> What was originaly on this drive . OS wise
[11:14] <noiano> hello
[11:14] <chinhnv> Error: Brokencount >0.
[11:14] <chinhnv> help me
[11:14] <safrir> Robuk: i think it was lvm inside LV, or the other way around... ext4
[11:15] <safrir> no fs
[11:15] <safrir> err, no OS
[11:15] <noiano> I was asked the meaning of this command "$ sh << exit " ... I was unable to answer ... help ? :)
[11:17] <safrir> Robuk: in fdisk it says the partition doesn't contain a valid partition table
[11:20] <pipegeek> Rory, THAT WAS IT
[11:20] <pipegeek> it was dbus
[11:20] <pipegeek> *damn* it
[11:21] <joshu_> Rory Is what I wrote possible?
[11:21] <noiano> anyone ? :)
[11:21] <pipegeek> I miss sysvinit
[11:28] <fabioleitenunes> hallo
[11:28] <dupingping> hallo?
[11:29] <fabioleitenunes> haha
[11:33] <Rory> joshu_: Honestly, I am not sure. I think rather than thinking about how to do the implementaion you picked, you ought to explain to the channel what you want to achieve
[11:34] <Rory> joshu_: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#goal
[11:35] <Rory> joshu_: Apologies for that page's use of "stupid" and "smart" questions
[11:35] <nikolam> ActionParsnip, 'ifup eth2' had affect on bringing it up of eth2, instead of ifconfig eth2 up
[11:37] <joshu_> Rory Well to elaborate on what I've already said. Can I install Ubuntu in such a way that there are two "images" of Ubuntu on the hard drive. You boot into the active image and work as normal. You can update the non-active image of Ubuntu without effecting the active one. When you reboot the non-active, updated image is set as active.
[11:38] <pipegeek> Rory, well, I thought I had it, but I haven't reproduced my succes.
[11:38] <pipegeek> I'm giving up for the night
[11:39] <Rory> joshu_: That sounds interesting, but I'm not sure what the best way to do it is. What use-case do you have for such a situation? have you considered maybe putting using a Virtualbox instead, allowing you to take snapshots in time and go back to the, etc?
[11:39] <Rory> pipegeek: Sorry I couldn#t be more help, I'm sure you'll get it sorted in the morning
[11:43] <pipegeek> thanks for your help :)
[11:46] <gopi> Hi any one can help me
[11:46] <OerHeks> gopi, maybe, just ask your question and find out
[11:47] <gopi> ok ... i recently installed umbrello. But it won't starts
[11:47] <gopi> i searched on net also. I dont know what to do?
[11:47] <gopi> can you help me?
[11:47] <Rory> gopi: If you open a Terminal and run the "umbrello" command, do you see an error output?
[11:47] <Rory> gopi: Also, what Ubuntu version are you using, and how did you install Umbrello?
[11:48] <gopi> i tried.... no error but still no response
[11:48] <gopi> 13.10
[11:48] <Rory> gopi: You get no output at all, when you type umbrello on the shell and press Return?
[11:48] <Rory> gopi: Could you please show me the full output? Ctrl-Shift-C to copy from a terminal
[11:48] <Rory> gopi: Please paste the full output onto http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the URL in this channel
[11:49] <gopi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930750/
[11:49] <gopi> Please check it
[11:50] <Rory> gopi: How did you install it?
[11:50] <gopi> that is the output when i type umbrello in terminal
[11:50] <gopi> installed via software center
[11:50] <Rory> gopi: Can you run the following command to delete your user's umbrello configs? Take care to type it exactly: rm ~/.kde4/share/config/umbrellorc
[11:51] <Rory> gopi: After that, try running it again and see if it opens
[11:52] <gopi> rm: cannot remove ‘/home/gopi/.kde4/share/config/umbrellorc’: No such file or directory
[11:52] <gopi> it says no such file
[11:52] <gopi> what to do?
[11:52] <md_nfs> Hello every one my grub menu not showing when i reinstall window 7. what can i do for this?
[11:53] <Rory> gopi: OK. Are there any other users on your machine you can try launching it from? Or the Guest user? Could you see if it works from another user?
[11:53] <Rory> gopi: That way I know if it's a problem with your user configuraqtion, or a problem with the whole program
[11:53] <Rory> !grub | md_nfs
[11:53] <gopi> ok... i'll try it from guest user and tell you
[11:54] <gopi>  umbrello    --geometry 600x400+0+0
[11:54] <gopi> this solves my problem now
[11:54] <gopi> thank you
[11:59] <jotanpls> So I've installed Awesome WM but can't figure out how to change background yet
[11:59] <jotanpls> how do I go about
[12:01] <Rory> jotanpls: I searched on Google for "awesomewm change desktop background" and found this page http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/My_first_awesome#Change_the_background_image
[12:02] <Rory> jotanpls: You edit the theme.lua config file in the directory for your chosen theme, and add/edit a line like:  theme.wallpaper_cmd = { "awsetbg /usr/share/awesome/themes/default/background.png" }
[12:11] <kaifat> Hi everybody
[12:12] <mariappp> #perl
[12:13] <mariappp> hi
[12:13] <mariappp> someone know about perl?
[12:14] <kaifat> I don't know #perl channel?
[12:14] <she_dyed> j #perl put a slash in front mariappp
[12:17] <SteveBell> hi all. any idea how to fix those permission issues? line 18-22 http://pastebin.com/EM9rhetZ
[12:17] <Segfault_> Hello. Is there any good graphical software to create custom keyboard layouts? I have tried using xkbmap but that is not good enough. I want a graphical representation of the layout
[12:18] <jotanpls> Segfault_: define " not good enough "
[12:18] <jotanpls> Segfault_: just run $ set xkbmap [keymap of choice]
[12:19] <Segfault_> jotanpls: I found it had a steep learning curve and it was difficult to see the exact result after defining the files.
[12:19] <jotanpls> Segfault_:  what are you running if I may ask :) ?
[12:20] <Segfault_> jotanpls: My goal is to start with a standard english colemak layout and customize it to make norwegian characters easier to type
[12:20] <Segfault_> jotanpls: What I am running? Ubuntu Gnome 13.10
[12:21] <Segfault_> Gnome 2.x had a graphical utility for this, but since Unity/Gnome Shell there is no tool for this
[12:22] <SteveBell> anybody an idea?
[12:26] <Segfault_> SteveBell: The user that is running the program does not have access to those folders. You can try "chmod o+rx" but that will give everyone with access to the system read access to those folders
[12:26] <OerHeks> SteveBell, sounds like this issue, http://askubuntu.com/questions/150909/plex-wont-enter-my-home-directory-or-other-partitions
[12:26] <OerHeks> add plex to your usersgroup
[12:28] <trekkme> anyone familiar with deadbeef 0.6.1? I dont get filebrowser plugin running, in 0.5.6 it works fine
[12:28] <SteveBell> OerHeks: exactly. I just stumbled upon this as well
[12:29] <Arceye> lo
[12:31] <Arceye> I need help, I am trying to get ubuntu 12.04 running but it is running like a bag of crap on a AMD ahtlon64 3700+ with 2Gb Ram and ati 3600HD gfx card
[12:31] <OerHeks> Segfault_, this gui tool looks like what you need > http://simos.info/blog/archives/747/comment-page-1
[12:31] <dwarder> Arceye: why so old version
[12:32] <dwarder> Arceye: what exactly doesn
[12:32] <dwarder> work
[12:32] <OerHeks> Arceye, i can imagine that, ati 2xxx/3xxx/4xxx are no longer supported by the ati closed source driver
[12:32] <Arceye> my understanding is that 12.04 is LTS which means its not experimental like newer versions
[12:32] <bitness64> Arceye: HDD issue? maybe bad sectors are making it hard to read.
[12:33] <Segfault_> OerHeks: Thanks, I have already tried that one, but I will try again. Had a problem with some dependecies, specifically "Antlr 3.1.2 Runtime environment for Python"
[12:33] <Arceye> I am looking to replace winXP, but I want ubuntu to just be able to run smooth
[12:34] <Arceye> the same hardware fly's along running XP
[12:34] <bitness64> Arceye: are you duel booting on the same drive?
[12:34] <Arceye> no
[12:34] <Arceye> not dual booting at all
[12:37] <Arceye> it just feels like I need an i7 just to run ubuntu
[12:40] <wheatthin> Arceye, have you got a decent graphics card installed?
[12:40] <Arceye> I have ati 3600HD
[12:40] <wheatthin> what's your other hardware specifications?
[12:40] <Arceye> amd64 3700+ 2Gb ram
[12:41] <wheatthin> ok that should run fine with ubuntu actually
[12:42] <wheatthin> which version of ubuntu are you using?
[12:42] <jozefk> I did a fresh install on HDD, Ubuntu 12.0 LTS 64bit. Installed nVidia drivers. Rebooted. Had some problem with starting X after that but I fixed that. Now I attached the external monitor through HDMI and I see the desktop background image on it and I can move the cursor to it. Cursor becomes big, black X. And that's all what happens there. What am I missing?
[12:42] <Arceye> wheatthin i'm afraid it doesn't, I am trying to run 12.04
[12:42] <OerHeks> single core, and ati3xxxx which is unsupported by the ati driver ?
[12:45] <Arceye> so my options are buy a better PC ? to run an OS which claims to run well on older hardware ?
[12:46] <wheatthin> no.. buy an updated graphics card, or switch to xubuntu
[12:46] <kostkon> Arceye: it doesn't claim that. it's just a graphics driver problem
[12:46] <OerHeks> Arceye, you could run xubuntu, which is a light desktop, but don't expect Youtube to run flawlessly on a single core
[12:46] <kostkon> Arceye: your cpu and gpu are fine for ubuntu in general
[12:47] <Arceye> sorry for the negative mind.   but I tried Lubuntu and it was almost useless even the most basic things were almost impossible for me to do...    is xubuntu better ?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Arceye: what were you having issue with in Lubuntu?
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Arceye: Xubuntu has slightly more functionality, does more hand holding than Lubuntu
[12:51] <HdJ-> bonjour :)
[12:51] <Arceye> silly things like, I run dual monitor 2 monitors each with different resolution  , I managed to get it to work but the desktop background would not stretch correcltey
[12:51] <Arceye> I couldnt get to system adminsitration , the option wasn't in menu's
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> Arceye: its under preferences or system tools, its all there
[12:54] <Arceye> give me a minute to boot into it and i'll look again
[13:02] <Arceye> oh another hardware issue I have which wasn't supported in lubuntu was 4 channel sound :(
[13:12] <ddssc> anyone knows how exactly I'm supposed to use this? http://datatables.net/plug-ins/api#fnColumnIndexToVisible
[13:17] <Androo> I'd like to have one of my Upstart services start after an init.d script (basically, it depends on redis-server, and redis-server on 12.04 uses an init.d script).  Obviously the init.d script doesn't emit signals, and I'd rather not modify it.  Is there any good solution, short of writing my own Upstart script for redis?
[13:34] <lucasredsn0w> hdon: :)
[13:41] <Jpmh> I have a process, happens to be perl, that forked and then backticked to /usr/sbin/tor, this process is 2125, it created an sh as 2126 and this created 2127 running tor.  I want to kill the whole group.  I thought kill INT,-2125 would do it but I get the message no such job -2125
[13:41] <biella> Most writers manage to get by because, as the deadline creeps closer, their fears of turning in nothing eventually surpasses their fears of turning in something terrible. But I’ve watched a surprising number of young journalists wreck, or nearly wreck, their careers by simply failing to hand in articles. These are all college graduates who can write in complete sentences, so it is not that they are lazy incompetents. Rather, they seem to be paralyzed by
[13:41] <biella> the prospect of writing something that isn’t very good.
[13:41] <biella> oppps
[13:41] <lucasredsn0w> Jpmh: pkill <process-name>
[13:43] <GPHemsley> Is there a way to move all windows of an application to another workspace at the same time?
[13:44] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w: do not want to do that - can't kill the perl process because there may be other processes
[13:44] <lucasredsn0w> Oh
[13:44] <lucasredsn0w> kill <PID>
[13:44] <lucasredsn0w> kill 2125
[13:45] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w:  no - killing 2125 will kill it and make it defunct but it will not take the group with it.  this is the whole reason I did the minus sign to get the grouo
[13:46] <lucasredsn0w> Disgusting..
[13:46] <lucasredsn0w> Can you open the "System Monitor" and find out the process?
[13:46] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w: what?
[13:46] <lucasredsn0w> the gnome system monitor
[13:47] <Jpmh> lucasredsn0w: I tell you what there proesses are - see my initial questiom, they are 2125..2127
[13:47] <wheatthin> he needs to SIGHUP instead of just killing
[13:47] <Jpmh> wheatthin: let me try that - standby
[13:47] <lucasredsn0w> yeah
[13:49] <Jpmh> wheatthin: NO - if I do that with the postive pirocess ID it is like the INT, I just loose the ONE bot the group
[13:50] <Jpmh> the problem seems to be that I don't understand the man page that says - sign will kill the group - but when I do it, it objects
[13:51] <wheatthin> does it object cause you're not owner of the process?
[13:52] <wheatthin> if so, then use sudo with the command
[13:52] <Jpmh> I am the owner - that's why I can kill them individually
[13:54] <wheatthin> Jpmh, try this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/392022/best-way-to-kill-all-child-processes
[13:57] <OerHeks> Jpmh, maybe this answer is any help killing tor without losing other processes http://askubuntu.com/questions/355959/killing-tor-causes-all-the-present-and-future-windows-to-loose-the-frames
[13:59] <safrir> how can i know what's mounted or located in a /dev/johnny/00 ?  i'm having troubles finding the fs i need to fsck
[14:00] <Rory> safrir: you can type "mount" to see what's mounted
[14:00] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: mount
[14:00] <Yokobr> hi guys, i have a "broken" laptop, and i'm trying to use it as a torrent server. I had 100% system resources gone with Window$ and i'm wondering if linux would make any difference, since i guess that the main problem is on HDD I/O...
[14:01] <safrir> hitsujiTMO:  i type mount and I dont see any of the /dev/file i'm dealing with
[14:01] <wheatthin> Yokobr, you can try making a bootable liveusb
[14:01] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: if its a /dev then just run the fsck directly on that
[14:01] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: running: sudo blkid                   could help identify the right one
[14:02] <wheatthin> But i'd suggest replacing the hard drive.. cause you'll burn out your usb drive
[14:02] <wheatthin> torrenting*
[14:02] <Jpmh> wheatthin: the page you refered me to says to do EXACTLY what I am doing, negative process ID, and this is what gives me the error
[14:02] <wheatthin> are you sure you're using the right process id?
[14:02] <wheatthin> :)
[14:03] <Jpmh> OerHeks: this is not tor specific - I have tested.  It is true ALWAYS, I need a way to kill the process AND its children as the kill with neagive process ID is documented as doing
[14:03] <Jpmh> wheatthin: yes - beacuase if I do the same process ID without the negative sign sure enough it kills it
[14:04] <Jpmh> whea
[14:04] <Yokobr> wheatthin, i'm trying to do not waste any money on this. I'm just wondering if linux could do a better job.
[14:04] <Jpmh> wheatthin: I also tried - - (that is two minuesses) in case the shell was taking the first as meaning it was a command option
[14:04] <yeats> safrir: if you're using lvs, you need to fsck the logical volume
[14:04] <hitsujiTMO> Jpmh: have you run kill on the same process without the negative sign already?
[14:05] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: yes - and it works - I do BTW keep bringing this all back up of course when I have killed parts of it in this testing
[14:06] <Jpmh> the problem seems to be that I am noit understanding the man page for kill
[14:06] <yeats> s/lvs/lvm/ - but looks like safrir has left :-/
[14:07] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: i did a fsck on it, now i get  fsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to re-open  /dev/...
[14:07] <hitsujiTMO> Jpmh: so if you kill the process, then its already dead ... running kill on non existing process will give you that error
[14:07] <yeats> safrir: are you using lvm?
[14:07] <safrir> yeats: yea
[14:07] <yeats> safrir: then you need to fsck the logical volume itself
[14:08] <safrir> yeats: i think i did, in blkid it says that dev/mapper is TYPE="ext4"
[14:08] <yeats> oh - ok
[14:09] <safrir> what shall i do? it's a 2TB drive with many files i didn't backup yet
[14:09] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: can you: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[14:09] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: correct - that's why after doing a test with a positive signal I restart the things so that it is alive and I get a new group of three to kill - I DO check that tge process is there with a PS first too
[14:09] <safrir> yea
[14:10] <Jpmh> hitsujiTMO: for example, right now I have 2340, 2341 and 2342 as the group, 2340 having created 41 etc.  If I kill 2340, it will become a zombie becasase 2341 is still alive, if I kill -2340 I get the error message
[14:11] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: that should return 2 urls. can you copy the urls here please
[14:14] <Jpmh> wheatthin: OerHeks and hitsujiTMO  - I thank you all for your attempts to help.  I will come back later and see if anyone else understands kill better than we all apparently do.  Thank You all
[14:18] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/QxdbSVT0  http://pastebin.com/mQNz5HNi
[14:22] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: the hard drive is dead
[14:22] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: lots of IO errors
[14:22] <hitsujiTMO> safrir:  end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 468274680
[14:22] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: but i don't see it in smart
[14:23] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: its in your dmesg
[14:23] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: is it possible to test it?
[14:23] <gordonjcp> safrir: smart is not useful
[14:23] <safrir> hitsujiTMO: what can i do to some something?
[14:23] <gordonjcp> safrir: the line that hitsujiTMO pointed out means absolutely that the drive has failed
[14:24] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: from the errors it doesn't even seem possible to ddrescue. You've lost your data i'm afraid
[14:24] <safrir> can i dd the drive ?
[14:25] <gordonjcp> safrir: is it an external drive?
[14:25] <gordonjcp> safrir: maybe try replacing the cable
[14:25] <safrir> gordonjcp: internal
[14:26] <safrir> gordonjcp: ok
[14:27] <gordonjcp> safrir: think it's a lost cause then
[14:28] <safrir> gordonjcp: it died so suddenly without a warning, i had two OS problems i had to solve, and suddenly this
[14:28] <gordonjcp> safrir: yup, that's what happens
[14:29] <safrir> gordonjcp: but the timing is so odd, i installed some gpu drivers i totally should have had, then mouse froze on a drag and drop as it occassionaly happens, i switched to another tty and tried to restart x, then rebooted, and the hd is dead!?
[14:30] <safrir> can i save any data?
[14:30] <safrir> rescue
[14:33] <hitsujiTMO> safrir: unlikely. as gordonjcp said, try another another sata cable in case that is faulty. Not much you can do beyond that
[14:35] <batfastad> Hi everyone. Trying to create a RAID array of mixed drives, 2x 512B and 2x 4096B. Do I need to worry about partition alignment, RAID superblock alignment, then LVM alignment on top as these links suggest... http://askubuntu.com/a/19572 and http://tytso.livejournal.com/2009/02/20/
[14:36] <dupingping> happy Valentine's Day!
[14:36] <OerHeks> uh oh, is that today?
[14:37] <dupingping> yes it is.
[14:37] <hitsujiTMO> batfastad: aligning is pretty much redundant these days. It would be an optional choice and would removed some of the nag messages from partition tools
[14:37] <dfrank> hi guys. Assume I have some gui application running: how can I get actual path to the file that is running?
[14:37] <batfastad> hitsujiTMO: yeah was wondering if mdadm/lvm would just handle that for me these days
[14:38] <dfrank> it is useful when some application is called by another gui application, and I want to know how can I actually run this (second) application without first one
[14:38] <dupingping> dfrank: what? detail, and I think that you may use <xwininfo>
[14:39] <hitsujiTMO> batfastad: main thing to worry about is the raid block size, which the defaults are usually suitable for everything anyway
[14:40] <dfrank> dupingping: it actually shows some geometry stuff, but doesn't show the command
[14:41] <tyler_d> happy friday all
[14:41] <dupingping> dfrank: you may get it's process id?
[14:41] <batfastad> hitsujiTMO: I was going for RAID 10 and I believe the default stripe is 64k, which mathmatically works for 4k drives and 512B. But this link http://askubuntu.com/a/19572 suggests that you need to take into account eh RAID superblock which can push the alignment off
[14:41] <dfrank> dupingping: probably there is some log where I can see all the events, then running new application should be logged too
[14:42] <dfrank> dupingping: process id... let me think
[14:43] <dupingping> all window have it's process id, and you can get a filename about process id.
[14:44] <hitsujiTMO> batfastad: if you're not running on SSDs then its not going to make a difference, if your running on SSDs then it will make a non noticable difference
[14:44] <hitsujiTMO> dfrank: assuming the app is xchat: ps axe | grep xchat
[14:46] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: unfortunately I don't know the process title. Everything I see is some "user" title that is shown in the window title
[14:46] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: this title isn't returned by ps axe
[14:47] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: even GUI system monitor doesn't show these titles, unfortunately
[14:48] <batfastad> hitsujiTMO: ok great, thanks for that
[14:49] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: yes, I got PID by xprop!
[14:49] <dfrank> dupingping: ^
[14:50] <hitsujiTMO> dfrank: sweet, now try: ps axe | grep <pid>             and see if you get anything interesting
[14:52] <sandman13> does mint shares ubuntu's repos?
[14:53] <sandman13> *share
[14:53] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: no
[14:53] <hitsujiTMO> !mint | sandman13
[14:53] <ActionPa1snip> sandman13: it uses some ubuntu repos
[14:53] <hitsujiTMO> o.O it does?
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> hitsujiTMO: sure, look at people's sudo apt-get update outputs on Mint forums
[14:54] <cantstanya> you guys are quitters
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> still not supported here
[14:54] <compdoc> I havent quit, yet
[14:54] <cantstanya> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[14:54] <cantstanya> seriously
[14:54] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: quitters of what?
[14:54] <cantstanya> how could you give in
[14:54] <DJones> cantstanya: Thats a discussion for #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:54] <cantstanya> to poettering.
[14:54] <hitsujiTMO> i see it does. interesting
[14:55] <sandman13> that means installing packages in mint will take me forever if i install it
[14:55] <cantstanya> DJones: where I was banned by IdleOne because he's jealous of my beauty
[14:55] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: is this about pulseaudio?
[14:55] <cantstanya> ActionPa1snip: no?
[14:57] <cantstanya> I was already like "wow, how did upstart lose, you had it in the bag" and now this
[14:57] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: im sure there was a rationale
[14:57] <hitsujiTMO> !OT | cantstanya
[14:57] <cantstanya> hitsujiTMO: again, I'm banned from there because IdleOne is jealous of my beauty
[14:57] <Pici> cantstanya: Just because you are banned from our offtopic channel does not mean that you have a free pass to be offtopic in our other channels. How about trying to resolve your ban instead.
[14:57] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: you are also forgetting that we are users, just like you so your rants are directed at the wrong people, so are worthless
[14:58] <hitsujiTMO> cantstanya: still no reason to discuss it here. this is a support channel
[14:58] <DJones> cantstanya: As I said earlier, its not a topic for discussion in #ubuntu, this channel is only for support issues
[14:58] <cantstanya> ActionPa1snip: but the users should stand up
[14:58] <dupingping> dfrank: what about?
[15:00] <gordonjcp> oh, systemd
[15:00] <gordonjcp> so is there going to be a fork of Ubuntu without a backdoor?
[15:00] <dfrank> hitsujiTMO: thanks!
[15:00] <jpds> gordonjcp: wut.
[15:00] <DJones> gordonjcp: #ubuntu-offtopic for discussion
[15:01] <dfrank> dupingping: thanks!
[15:02] <dfrank> dupingping: actually command with params was returned by this command:    xprop | awk '($1=="_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL)") {print $3}' | xargs ps h -o pid,cmd
[15:07] <gordonjcp> DJones: also, how is the decision to turn Ubuntu into an unsupportable mess not a support issue?
[15:08] <DJones> gordonjcp: Its been announced, but its not an imediate support issue, which is why its being pointed to -offtopic or -discuss
[15:08] <Itherian> hi
[15:09] <Itherian> anyone here?
[15:09] <gordonjcp> DJones: fair enough
[15:09] <gordonjcp> Itherian: lots of people
[15:09] <Itherian> good I have a question
[15:09] <Itherian> please
[15:09] <Itherian> How do I get to Global compiler settings?
[15:10] <Itherian> I been searching online and unable to find out hoe
[15:11] <tomreyn> Itherian: global compiler settings? global to what, and which compiler?
[15:11] <Itherian> gcc
[15:12] <Itherian> I need to change a directory that it searches in
[15:13] <tomreyn> hmm i'm not sure this channel provides support with C development and building software.
[15:13] <bviktor> any reason for ubuntu 13.10 amd64 not showing windows when i select 'something else' during partitioning? how do i fix this?
[15:13] <Itherian> ok what channel I need I am new to this
[15:13] <bviktor> even though it's clearly visible under 'Disks"
[15:14] <tomreyn> Itherian: #c sounds like a good choice
[15:14] <Itherian> awesome thanx
[15:14] <bviktor> i can even browse the windows partition, but the installer's only offer is to erase the whole disk because it's empty
[15:15] <MrElendig> #!/usr/bin/env python2
[15:15] <MrElendig> bha failpaste
[15:15] <ActionPa1snip> cantstanya: what I have works, so i'm happy
[15:15] <MrElendig> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316  there we go
[15:16] <diecastarts> heyhey, asked this on other channels but still waiting for answer. but any I need help safely symlink steam to my other steam libraries .. like on my Windows Partition, or the one on my external hard-drive
[15:17] <hitsujiTMO> bviktor: you've either installed ubuntu as legacy/bios and booted ubuntu in uefi, or installed windows in uefi and booted ubuntu in legacy/bios
[15:17] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | MrElendig
[15:18] <Maurice_la_sauci> Hello, does someone know that when I usb transfer certain file (like a movie of 1GB+) it goes fast but other files like a small video of 200MB it goes damn slow?
[15:19] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, same like in floppy days. large files saving was fast,, many small files took forever.
[15:20] <nikolam> solution is to ZIP files
[15:20] <MrElendig> 200mb is large enough that caching and seek time is non-relevant
[15:20] <odroid> Hi guyz, I'm testing my new U3 board
[15:22] <diecastarts> Has anyone here been playing around with steam??. because i need help to symlink steam to my other steam libraries
[15:22] <ikonia> you don't symlink steam binaries to libraries
[15:22] <MrElendig> diecastarts: you mean you want to use the steam library you eg have on windows under ubuntu?
[15:22] <diecastarts> meaning folders where the games are
[15:22] <MrElendig> if so, no, you can not do that
[15:23] <diecastarts> yes MrElendig
[15:23] <MrElendig> you have to link the actual appfolder inside the library instead
[15:24] <diecastarts> yeah thats what i need help with.. not sure what folder and actually help with the command
[15:24] <diecastarts> i been reading up on it.. but everyone says different things
[15:24] <bviktor> hitsujiTMO, wrong bet, it won't show the windows partition neither in legacy nor uefi
[15:24] <diecastarts> and i was worried because one person did say if done wrong it can break the steam games
[15:26] <bviktor> is there no alternate installer for 13.10?
[15:26] <Maurice_la_sauci> nikolam: should I compress files inside my external drive?
[15:27] <trijntje> Maurice_la_sauci: 200 MB is a big file, so that can't be it. Are you trying to copy from ntfs, thats always slow
[15:27] <trijntje> or maybe you are using a usb-3 port one time, and usb-2 when its slow?
[15:28] <MrElendig> diecastarts: link the steamApps folder
[15:28] <hitsujiTMO> bviktor: no, the alt installer has been merged into the desktop iso
[15:28] <Maurice_la_sauci> trijntje: yes the external drive is NTFS formated, is it because of that ?
[15:28] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, best solution is to check how it goes with another usb drive. (is it flash spindles). Also different file systems bihave differently with small files. But as someone said, 200MB are not so small files, so. something else could be checked too
[15:28] <OerHeks> bviktor, i assume when no partition is showed, you have 4 primairy partitions
[15:29] <MrElendig> diecastarts: ~/.steam/steam/SteamApps on gnu/linux
[15:29] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, implamentation on Linux uses NTFS via FUSE userspace driver, and FUSE IS slow.
[15:29] <nikolam> Better use EXT3, par example and File system driver on Windows side.
[15:29] <bviktor> OerHeks, nope
[15:30] <bviktor> a single ntfs partition using half of disk space
[15:30] <MrElendig> I would hook the disk up to the network as a nas instead if possible
[15:30] <OerHeks> bviktor, how big is this single ntfs ? >1024 mb?
[15:30] <glambert> is there a way to grant executable permissions to a file in /root to a non-root user without giving access to everything?
[15:31] <MrElendig> glambert: man 5 ACL
[15:31] <MrElendig> glambert: but really, don't do this
[15:31] <MrElendig> glambert: put the file somewhere else instead
[15:31] <diecastarts> MrElendig, I am still a newbie with command line
[15:32] <MrElendig> glambert: probably better to put it in /sbin, and give the user access trough sudo to run it
[15:32] <MrElendig> asuming this is a tool that requires root power to urn
[15:32] <MrElendig> run*
[15:32] <diecastarts> you mean  ~/.steam/steam/SteamApps on gnu/linux <<--replace that with folder where the games areor steamapps folder is
[15:32] <genii> Or /usr/local/bin
[15:32] <bviktor> oh great, gparted says:
[15:32] <glambert> MrElendig, doesn't require root, it's just in there as part of a repository of scripts, this one in particular I want to run as part of an Icinga check
[15:32] <Maurice_la_sauci> thank you guys, going to format that into EXT3 so
[15:33] <bviktor> /dev/sda contains GPT signatures indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it has a fake msdos partition table as it should
[15:33] <glambert> hence the preference to keep it where it is
[15:33] <nikolam> I have a situation where NetworkManager on 13.10 64bit can not control LAN card, after changing motherboard (I can set it up now as eth2 in /etc/network/interfaces) and bring it up by issuing sudo ifup eth2, but it does not bring it up after reboot and Network manager does not see eth2. (saying disabled even if set up in it)
[15:33] <blackduck> buona sera a tutti
[15:33] <bviktor> OerHeks, of course it's bigger than 1024MB, windows doesn't really fit in 1024MB
[15:33] <Pici> !it | blackduck
[15:33] <bviktor> it's a 512GB SSD, 256GB being allocated to windows
[15:34] <OerHeks> bviktor, sorry 1024 gb or 1 tb
[15:34] <MrElendig> glambert: if it doesn't require root then don't keep it in /root to begin with
[15:34] <OerHeks> that would explain gpt
[15:34] <Maurice_la_sauci> still don't really get why is some folders transfer fast and other damn slow when they are both same size approx. :/
[15:35] <andybrine> afternoon guys
[15:35] <genii> Maurice_la_sauci: When a file is stored in many different parts of the disk instead of a consecutive part, the seek times to find all the parts of it can really add up.
[15:36] <Maurice_la_sauci> genii: can we "correct" that so it goes fast for all files?
[15:36] <andybrine> I have been checking my cpu usage and it shows that gnome-settings-dameon is consistently running a about 50% does anyone know aht could cause this?
[15:37] <genii> Maurice_la_sauci: Not really. A file is just stored on the first unused part of the disk, if the unused parts are not sequential, it just puts them there anyhow
[15:38] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, depending on usb disk used (HD or flash) it could be seek times and more files need more operations
[15:39] <Maurice_la_sauci> alright, thank you for you explanations
[15:40] <gr33n7007h> what is :+ (1..10).map {|n| n**3}.inject(:+)
[15:40] <nikolam> genial, where Linux file systems are better to windows/ntfs, linux choose to put files in whole in part of the space where they can fit as whole and windows put files chunks in order, therefore, fragmenting files. As long as Linux partitions and disks are not filled up over 87% or so, Linux FSs are imune to fragmentation of files.
[15:40] <gr33n7007h> oops wrong channel
[15:40] <andybrine> gnome-setting-daemon takes up all my cpu usage, does any know why?
[15:40] <nikolam> but the same, files could be on opposite sides of spindle disks etc
[15:40] <diecastarts> NM
[15:42] <nikolam> Maurice_la_sauci, operating speed on many small files versus smaller number of large files, also depend on file system and implementation and FS options used, whatever hardware disk is.
[15:43] <Maurice_la_sauci> "FS" options?
[15:43] <researcher123>  after installing buntu 12.04 how to install windows on the remaining partition?
[15:44] <nikolam> yes, does one uses journaling (ext3) or not (ext2) , transparent compression (Btrfs and ZFS) or not (XFS) etc
[15:44] <andybrine> Can anyone here be of assistance
[15:44] <andybrine> ?
[15:45] <genii> researcher123: Normally it's done in the other order so that GRUB sees Windows is installed and makes a boot entry for it. But what you can do is boot the livecd after installing Windows and re-install GRUB to the MBR
[15:45] <researcher123> genii: ok.thanks
[15:46] <nikolam> researcher123, you could do it smarter way, like first installing windows and then adding ubuntu. but nevermind, you can re-install grub2 after booting from live cd. see ubuntu wiki for instructions.
[15:46] <davividal> hi. I'm using 12.04. Is it possible to update Gtk from 3.4.2 to 3.10.x? Is it safe to update?
[15:46] <ikonia> no
[15:46] <ikonia> it's not a safe update
[15:47] <davividal> ikonia: it's not possible and it's not safe?
[15:47] <ikonia> davividal: little bit of both,
[15:47] <ActionPa1snip> davividal: there is a PPA, it's not safe and the packages are not the official ones from the Ubuntu repos
[15:47] <davividal> ActionPa1snip: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 ?
[15:47] <jpds> davividal: Basically, you're breaking your warranty seal.
[15:48] <nikolam> davividal, it just is not worth it. I used to do that with LTS before, compiling even my packages up to extent, and it is just better to update whole distro.
[15:48] <ikonia> it's more than that because of the depends on gtk
[15:48] <ActionPa1snip> davividal: exactly but we canot support packages from that PPA (or ANY PPA) in here
[15:49] <ActionPa1snip> davividal: Trusty uses Gnome 3.10, you could just upgrade to Trusty in April and get that (or use the pre-release Trusty now).
[15:49] <davividal> hm... OK, let me explain my 'problem': I'm doing a little learning-project in Gtk3 (+ Python, FWIW), and I want to use some components from 3.10. Apart from VirtualBox, is there any alternative?
[15:49] <nikolam> that is because Linux does not give you binary compatibility. When kernel changes, everything needs to be recompiled. Therefore, using newer packages on old distro needs them recompiled for older release, it is called Backporting and is done by support contract.
[15:50] <jpds> When the kernel changes, not much needs to be recompiled.
[15:50] <nikolam> (endless chain of depending libraries that needs to be recompiled for new version of apps, too)
[15:50] <jpds> And no, backports are not done by support contract.
[15:51] <nikolam> jpds, well, it is mostly not true for important applications. jpds . It goes for kernel of the release. Not new fresh kernel. (like from 2.8 to 3.11)
[15:51] <mads-> I have just removed Ubuntu from my brothers laptop and now I can't boot into Windows. Can I with a Ubuntu live CD somehow fix the laptops MBR to use the Windows MBR thingy again and make it works as normal?
[15:51] <ikonia> davividal: what's the issue with using gtk from the distro you are using ?
[15:51] <ikonia> mads-: should fix it with the windows cd
[15:52] <MrElendig> davividal: you could use lxc, which is much cheaper, or just build gnome 3.10 or 3.12(devel) in $HOME
[15:52] <ActionPa1snip> mads-: you will need a WIndows CD to reinstate the Windows boot loader, the guys in ##Windows will be able to advise
[15:52] <Aleksei__> nikolam: Actually, new kernel doesn't mean that you need to recompile everything. In fact, you only have to recompile kernel modules. The Linux kernel has a very stable userspace ABI.
[15:52] <jpds> nikolam: You can install newer kernels from newer releases on 12.04.
[15:52] <jhutchins> mads-: You could re-install grub to let it boot windows, but probably best to do a windows mbr fix.
[15:52] <nikolam> jpds, well backports are mostly done by people being paid to support and do security updates, Backporting is hard, that is why you mostly get just bugfixes and security updates in long term releases)
[15:52] <jhutchins> mads-: You could probably ask in #windows if you need a source.
[15:52] <andybrine> does anyone know if it is wise to uninstall gnome-settings-deamon?
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: No, it is not.
[15:53] <yeats> andybrine: why do you want to?
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: Read your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: Read the -backports section.
[15:53] <davividal> ikonia: the component I'm trying to use is not shipped with 3.4.2
[15:53] <jpds> nikolam: "Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security team."
[15:53] <nikolam> Aleksei__, yeah, right, and that is why Companies that offer long time support on Linux, does not change kernel relese during lifetime. It goes only for kernel subversion. For new version,. you get new distributioin release..
[15:54] <yeats> davividal: I would use virtualbox if it were me
[15:54] <jpds> nikolam: Dude.
[15:54] <masajjad> guys I'm trying to use Ububtu server on my latop as the access server for my cisco rotuers and swtiches
[15:54] <jpds> nikolam: NOTHING you're saying is true.
[15:54] <masajjad> can acces the devices using minicom program
[15:54] <andybrine> yeats it was taking up 50% cpu usage all the time
[15:54] <masajjad> want to do ser2net
[15:54] <andybrine> slowing down my computer
[15:54] <jpds> nikolam: Go and read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[15:54] <davividal> yeats: why not lxc?
[15:54] <nikolam> jpds, and yet, Everything is. Try running binaries compiled for Kernel 2.8 on kernel 3.11. Will NOT work.!
[15:54] <davividal> MrElendig: lxc looks interesting
[15:54] <ikonia> davividal: you'd be better doing it from 13.10 then
[15:54] <yeats> davividal: lxc?
[15:55] <masajjad> telnet 127.0.0.1 to_a_port not taking but telnet 127.0.0.1 working
[15:55] <davividal> yeats: MrElendig suggested it: http://linuxcontainers.org/
[15:55] <masajjad> iptables rules empty
[15:55] <Aleksei__> nikolam: you can easily install a new kernel from, say, Debian unstable to Debian stable.
[15:55] <yeats> davividal: oh - yeah - what I mean is I would use a virtual machine - for most(?) that means virtualbox, but whatever works ;-)
[15:55] <masajjad> connection being refused ... looks like no port is open when i did netstat
[15:55] <MrElendig> "soon" you can use systemd-nspawn instead of lxc, which arguably is even better for simple tasks
[15:55] <jpds> nikolam: So, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support#A12.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support - explain how we're going to have kernels 3.2 - 3.13 in 12.04 without recompiling everything?
[15:55] <nikolam> jpds, I had graphics also with binary drivers from ATI/AMD that worked only up to Ubuntu 8.04. So I could not use hardware on 10.04. Believe me, that why.. Linux kernel does not let you use pld binaries.
[15:56] <MrElendig> but building gnome in $HOME is pretty easy
[15:56] <Aleksei__> nikolam: companies you are talking about don't change any software, because new versions can have regressions and new bugs.
[15:56] <jpds> nikolam: Yes, that's kernel *modules*, not applications.
[15:56] <nikolam> jpds, it is important to run something that is supportable, not just "any kernel you want". If it is suported, then go for it,
[15:56] <hydra7> why ppa is frowned upon?
[15:56] <yeats> andybrine: I would try and discover *why* that's happening.  I would assume that attempts to uninstall it would result in apt dependency hell
[15:57] <jpds> hydra7: Because there's no way of controlling what changes on the system.
[15:57] <nikolam> jpds, and it also goes for applications. Just grab some old binaries and try them...
[15:57] <andybrine> lol, yeah. ubuntu needs it
[15:57] <davividal> ikonia: if I upgrade for anything but LTS, I will "lose the warranty" from the IT guy. I don't see how an upgrade like that could cause me problems, but better safe than sorry.
[15:57] <yeats> andybrine: meaning that APT would probably uninstall GNOME altogether
[15:57] <ikonia> hydra7: because people don't know how to build and maintain software safely against the core OS - there are some that are good, but very very few
[15:57] <ikonia> davividal: use a VM
[15:57] <andybrine> also whats strage is pulseaudio runs a 50% cpu usage at times
[15:58] <Aleksei__> nikolam: binaries from older distribution versions may not work, because some libraries are missing, but not because the kernel is newer. (To a certain extent, of course.)
[15:58] <andybrine> yeats, thats why I was worries about uninstalling it
[15:58] <andybrine> lol
[15:58] <hydra7> ikonia: i want to install Cinnamon 2.0 but it uses Mint's repositories
[15:58] <xp1990> andybrine pulse audio has a terrible "nice" value
[15:58] <masajjad> configured ser2net.conf not opening ports for telnet, can telnet 127.0.0.1 localhost or by IP from abother computer on the LAN. But, telnet localhost 2525 (eg) not working  ... iptables rules empty ... any advise what to check?
[15:58] <ikonia> hydra7: don't do it
[15:58] <yeats> andybrine: yeah - you should look into what those processes are doing when they're running so hot
[15:58] <ikonia> hydra7: use mint
[15:58] <nikolam> Well, it is firstly because kernel is newer. one can always recompile older binaries. But if you also do not recompile application, regarding new kernel, it WONT work!
[15:58] <hydra7> ikonia: why?
[15:59] <ikonia> hydra7: for the reasons I just stated
[15:59] <nikolam> Like so, VmWare for linux recompiles parts of it after kernel update, Why? Because kernel changed.
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: the kernel has no relevence to binaries
[15:59] <andybrine> yeats: yeah I will look into that
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: it's a kernel module interface
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: not an application
[15:59] <jpds> nikolam: Because VMware uses kernel modules.
[15:59] <nikolam> ikonia, ok, just as you think when i would be surprised...
[15:59] <masajjad> configured ser2net.conf not opening ports for telnet, can telnet 127.0.0.1 localhost or by IP from abother computer on the LAN. But, telnet localhost 2525 (eg) not working  ... iptables rules empty ... any advise what to check?
[15:59] <xp1990> andybrine there is literally a program called `renice`
[15:59] <ikonia> nikolam: what ?
[16:00] <hydra7> ikonia: i would have installed mint but no local repos
[16:00] <andybrine> is it possible to remove pulseaudio and replace with another sound system?
[16:00] <nikolam> jpds, and will older vmware even work on fresh new ubuntu? I don't think so.
[16:00] <xp1990> andybrine if you provide it with the PID of pulseaudio you can stop it from eating cpu
[16:00] <ikonia> nikolam: please stop
[16:00] <andybrine> xp1990: excellent, thanks
[16:00] <ikonia> nikolam: it's clear you really don't know what you are saying, if you want to learn, we can talk in #ubuntu-offtopic, if but please stop giving out wrong information
[16:01] <hippyman> just installed Ubuntu  12.04  and have missing icons, example  my terminal icon is blank white
[16:01] <nikolam> Linux does not give you binary compatibility assurances on any level. also ikonia, differentiat between binaries and apps
[16:01] <andybrine> will i need to run that all the time after a reboot?
[16:01] <nikolam> ikonia, i can only say, you do not look things right.
[16:01] <ikonia> nikolam: you are wrong and don't understand what you are saying about ABI and API
[16:01] <masajjad> configured ser2net.conf not opening ports for telnet, can telnet 127.0.0.1 localhost or by IP from abother computer on the LAN. But, telnet localhost 2525 (eg) not working  ... iptables rules empty ... any advise what to check? what's the best channel otherwise... pls advise
[16:02] <nikolam> ikonia, no I am right .
[16:02] <ikonia> nikolam: ok, if you think you are right, thats fine, but please stop saying it to people in this channel as it is wrong and wrong information is not acceptable
[16:02] <Chedors_> c'est trop top aussi ><
[16:02] <nikolam> I had recently one instalaltion that I upgraded and leaved sshd ununpgraded. And sshd stopped working after kernel update. (opensuse) So you bet I am right.
[16:03] <ikonia> nikolam: so please stop, this is nothing to do with ubuntu
[16:03] <ikonia> nikolam: wrong
[16:03] <nikolam> ikonia, please stop mentioning me then
[16:03] <ikonia> nikolam: no problem, please stop talking about it, and there will be no more need for reference to you
[16:03] <Socolin> Hello, I have a strange result when displaying content of /sys/class/dmi/id/board_serial and this "lock" all apt-get command due to a script that is using this content http://pastebin.com/zMZ21QJ8
[16:05] <hippyman> why do I have missing icons? Ubuntu 12.04, fresh install and  dist upgrade
[16:05] <Aleksei__> nikolam: Please go read Documentation/ABI/stable/syscalls file in the Linux source tree.
[16:06] <ikonia> Aleksei__: best drop it, he doesn't want to know he's wrong and it's not really a problem for this channel
[16:07] <hippyman> guess no one wants to help me
[16:07] <Aleksei__> ikonia: OK. Sorry for the noise.
[16:07] <lorenzo_> Irc.explosionirc.net
[16:07] <ikonia> Aleksei__: not a problem
[16:07] <ikonia> lorenzo_: please don't advertise in here.
[16:07] <trijntje> !patience | hippyman
[16:07] <trijntje> can you be a bit more specific about whats wrong?
[16:07] <lorenzo_> sorry
[16:07] <ikonia> lorenzo_: no problem
[16:08] <hippyman> fresh install of uuntu 12.04 and I have missing icons
[16:08] <ikonia> missing from where ?
[16:08] <ikonia> what icons ?
[16:08] <trijntje> thats not more specific, which icons, where, etc
[16:10] <ghoti> I need a software recommendation.  I've got a PDF of an architectural floorplan, on which I need to place locations for Ethernet and electrical wiring.  Should I convert the PDF to some other format and do this in Dia?  Or Inkscape?  Or use something like xournal to annotate the original PDF?
[16:10] <hippyman> dash
[16:10] <hippyman> terminal icon is a blank square
[16:11] <hippyman> in the dash I have missing program icons and this is a fresh install
[16:11] <trijntje> hippyman: fresh install or did you upgrade?
[16:12] <hippyman> trij: fresh install with update
[16:12] <trijntje> update to what?
[16:12] <TJ-> hippyman: Have you logged out/logged in again and it still happens?
[16:12] <suudy> I'm not sure if this is the right spot, but had a problem come up with regard to a USB CDC ethernet device no longer working.  We see the connection in syslog when the USB device is attached, but the usual bringup of the usb0 device no longer happens.  I can manually configure it.
[16:12] <hippyman> TJ: yes
[16:13] <suudy> This is on a 12.04.4 server install (clean install).
[16:13] <suudy> Works fine on my 12.04.4 desktop.
[16:13] <TJ-> hippyman: Icons are often cached for faster access, and sometimes the cache can be incomplete for some reason.
[16:13] <hippyman> TJ : had to shut down to complete updates
[16:14] <hippyman> TJ: should I do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to fix?
[16:15] <TJ-> hippyman: No, the program responsible - as far as I recall - is gtk-update-icon-cache, but I'm not familiar with how to launch it manually to fix the issue. The man-page is online at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/gtk-update-icon-cache.1.html
[16:15] <sandman13> if there is no local repos of ubuntu, then is it a good idea to install?
[16:15] <trijntje> hippyman: what is the output of lsb_release -a
[16:15] <TJ-> suudy: Does it need usb_modeswitch ?
[16:16] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: what do you mean? no country level repo?
[16:16] <suudy> TJ-:  Hmmm...
[16:16] <sandman13> right hitsujiTMO
[16:16] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: what country are you in?
[16:16] <sandman13> Nepal
[16:16] <sandman13> oh we have one
[16:17] <sandman13> i remember now
[16:17] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: 2 repos listed under https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[16:17] <TJ-> hippyman: package installers simply do "/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache" (with no parameters), so you might be able to fix it by doing "sudo /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache"
[16:17] <fudge2> hello
[16:18] <fudge2> i am learning to program
[16:18] <fudge2> should i oracle or a mono
[16:18] <suudy> TJ-: I don't know about usb_modeswitch.  But I didn't do anything special.  Is there a difference between server and desktop with that regard?
[16:18] <hitsujiTMO> sandman13: might be worth testing the neighbouring countries repos too if your countries repos is too slow
[16:19] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | fudge2 try a prgramming channel for sucha  question
[16:19] <suudy> TJ-: And it appears that usb_modeswitch is for multiple device USB, this is a single device.
[16:20] <suudy> Is dhclient automatically started on attached devices in server?  Perhaps that is the problem?
[16:20] <TJ-> suudy: OK, then maybe the device isn't supported on the older kernels used by 12.04; have you installed the LTS hardware enablement pack that has the latest kernels?
[16:21] <TJ-> suudy: No, not unless you've installed and configured Network Manager. You'll need entries in "/etc/network/interfaces"
[16:22] <TJ-> suudy: You can try it manually "sudo dhclient  $IFNAME&"
[16:22] <interweb> zsh autocorrection doesn't work on ubuntu . How do I can fix it ?
[16:22] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: do you mean autocomplete?
[16:23] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: when you press TAB etc
[16:23] <suudy> TJ-: Well, like I mentioned, it works fine on a 12.04 desktop device.
[16:23] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: https://scottlinux.com/2011/08/19/quick-intro-to-zsh-auto-complete/
[16:24] <TJ-> suudy: Desktop installs Network Manager, which by default will manage all interfaces
[16:24] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, No , I mean something like this :  mak install ==> make install
[16:24] <suudy> TJ-: So on server, without network manager, no inteface are managed?
[16:24] <TJ-> suudy: Server's mostly have static interfaces so the sysadmin is expected to configure it
[16:24] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, It suggested the right thing and we could use Y or N after it
[16:25] <TJ-> suudy: see https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[16:25] <suudy> TJ-: If a device is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces, it will be ignored?
[16:27] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, Did you get what do I mean ?
[16:27] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: funky feature
[16:28] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: yeah, i see what it does, pretty cool
[16:28] <TJ-> suudy: Indeed, it is the responsibility of the sysadmin to configure it
[16:28] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, It doesn't work for me . I've used archlinux before and It worked correctly on there but it doesn't work on my ubuntu .
[16:30] <SopaXorzTaker> hi?
[16:30] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, Could you help me ?
[16:30] <Anonymous> Hey
[16:30] <TJ-> interweb: If you want the zsh auto-correct feature in bash, do "shopt -s cdspell" and/or add it to the .bashrc
[16:30] <SopaXorzTaker> is this joke cool:  on a new bare linux system:  sudo apt-get install apt aptitude
[16:31] <Anonymous> Ha
[16:31] <Anonymous> I am on Anonymous OS
[16:31] <interweb> TJ-, I'm using zsh but it doesn't work for me :/
[16:32] <TJ-> interweb: Have you tried "setopt correct"
[16:32] <ActionPa1snip> interweb: not something I use dude, is there not a channel for it here on freenode
[16:32] <dabauer> need to install kompozer
[16:32] <interweb> ActionPa1snip, There is #zsh but nobody answered there
[16:32] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: its not supported on newer distros
[16:32] <dabauer> I have to .tar.gz file
[16:33] <interweb> TJ-, I should use that command right ?
[16:33] <dabauer> I have it gunzipped and  I untared it, it just created a directory with a bunch of file
[16:33] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kompozer/+question/243900
[16:33] <interweb> TJ-, It worked :) thanks
[16:33] <dabauer> but I don't know what to do after that
[16:34] <Anonymous> Hey any one would like to make a donation tell me because Anonymous is collapsing and we need your help. One donation = big help and strength to us
[16:34] <Pici> Anonymous: please don't solicit in this channel.
[16:35] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: it wont work, you have been told on the forum
[16:35] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: "Warning: this version does NOT work with recent GNU/Linux distros."  source: http://www.kompozer.net/download.php
[16:36] <ActionPa1snip> dabauer: KompoZer 0.7 is not compatible with GTK . 2.14 . expect crashes. If you.re using a Linux distro that ships
[16:36] <TJ-> interweb: See "man zshcomsys"
[16:36] <TJ-> interweb: Ooops, see "man zshcompsys"
[16:37] <interweb> TJ-, That "setopt correct" worked for me
[16:37] <interweb> TJ-, thx
[16:37] <TJ-> interweb: You might want to correct the default config though, and that man-page shows how
[16:38] <interweb> TJ-, there where not that man for me
[16:39] <interweb> TJ-, Could I just add "setopt correct" to my .zshrc ?
[16:41] <suudy> TJ-: Ok.  Adding usb0 to /etc/network/interfaces seems to have worked (along with the attendant dhcp entry).
[16:41] <suudy> TJ-: But it doesn't seem to detect the disconnect cleanly.  I guess some udev rules are in order?
[16:42] <conall> Hi, I have an old laptop with a 1.66Ghz cpu. When I run the cat /proc/cpuinfo command it shows this but under "cpu_MHz" it shows 1000. Should it not show 1600? thanks
[16:42] <TJ-> suudy: That would probably do it
[16:43] <ActionPa1snip> conall: your CPU will clock up and down as needed, this saves power
[16:43] <ActionPa1snip> conall: your CPU does not always run at full speed unless needed
[16:44] <conall> ActionPa1snip: sorta like intel boost? Whats so special with intel boost so? Thanks
[16:45] <ActionPa1snip> conall: its been like that for ages, long before Intel boost
[16:45] <ActionPa1snip> conall: if the CPU is idle, it will clock down to a low speed and churn
[16:46] <conall> ActionPa1snip: What is so special about intel boost? As far as I know it is a new thing
[16:46] <ActionPa1snip> conall: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/turbo-boost/turbo-boost-technology.html
[16:46] <conall> ty
[16:48] <PengouinPdt> bonsoir
[16:48] <she_dyed> hi PengouinPdt
[16:49] <conall> Thanks ActionPa1snip
[16:49] <dabauer> OK got the .zip for jxhtml and unzipped it, now what???
[16:50] <ActionPa1snip> !find jxhtml
[16:50] <she_dyed> unzip -l will view content
[16:50] <PengouinPdt> hello, someone to confirm-me rights system as '-rwsr-sr-x' eguals 6755 ...?
[16:51] <frog_> hi. is there an programm where i can say that only the internet traffic for specific sites goes trough a proxy?
[16:51] <Zooklubba> TJ-: It's official. It's returned
[16:51] <TJ-> Zooklubba: what has?
[16:51] <Zooklubba> my huawei modem
[16:51] <Zooklubba> Thinking about clicking home another one (probably E398) on ebay
[16:51] <Zooklubba> But the 5776 is gone.
[16:51] <TJ-> Zooklubba: oh! as in it's gone, you mean
[16:51] <Zooklubba> Couldnt break the bastard yesterday
[16:52] <Zooklubba> oh yes
[16:52] <Zooklubba> haha
[16:52] <Zooklubba> I meant returned to the carrier :P
[16:52] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: whether your app goes thru a proxy or not is determined by the app not anything else.
[16:53] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: you'd have to configure that within the app if that sort of config is supported
[16:53] <frog_> hitsujiTMO: im using chromium and set in the settings under network the proxy... do u know a way?
[16:53] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: its not possible. chromium/chrome can only use the system proxy, or no proxy at all
[16:53] <Guest5867> hy
[16:54] <frog_> hitsujiTMO: ok...
[16:54] <frog_> thanks for helping
[16:54] <suudy> TJ-:  That seems to work...sorta.  The problem is that the device takes too long to get the dhcp server on it up and running so dhclient times out.  Is there a way to make a per-device timeout for dhclient?
[16:54] <onefstprld> anyone run into an issue with volume control panel not working on 12.04 when home is mounted on NFS
[16:54] <TJ-> suudy: If you've configured the system correctly, dhclient will only run after the interface has been brought up
[16:54] <hank6262> hello i have an older laptop i am trying to install ubuntu to as it still works just won't boot from cd or usb i installed ubuntu using the windows ubuntu install program from the windows xp that is on the laptop but how do i rerun setup from the new install of linux on the dualboot and format th the hard drive and just put linux on it and remove the windows
[16:55] <hitsujiTMO> frog_:you can override the proxy config for a given session at least.maybe that will help you; check out: http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/network-stack/debugging-net-proxy
[16:55] <hank6262> i can ceess a usb thumb drive jsut not boot form it
[16:55] <suudy> TJ-: And it does.  The problem is that the dhclient timesout before the dhcp server on teh remote end is ready.
[16:56] <TJ-> suudy: dhclient does DHCPREQUEST for 3 minutes or more, if that is timing out, then there's a bigger problem
[16:56] <hitsujiTMO> frog_: actually, it seems chromium does support PAC, so you might be able to get exactly what you want with that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_auto-config
[16:56] <suudy> TJ-:  Well, I know the problem.  The problem is that the remote device brings up the USB CDC device well before it startes dhcpd.
[16:57] <dabauer> I have jxhtmledit, but I don't see how to run it
[16:58] <TJ-> suudy: So the USB device is an embedded router?
[16:59] <cumana> hello, how to share files between ubuntu and ubuntu via ethernet cable?
[17:00] <cyfuser> can anyone point me to a good irc channel related to testdisk and photorec file recovery?
[17:00] <jpds> cumana: rsync, scp, NFS, ...
[17:00] <suudy> TJ-: No.  It's our device.  It is has an embedded web server.  But the kernel brings up the device at boot, but we don't start dhcpd for a few minutes after boot.
[17:00] <jpds> cumana: Ubuntu One, Dropbox.
[17:01] <TJ-> suudy: You've lost me, I'm now confused.
[17:01] <Rubas> cumana: sftp
[17:02] <cyfuser> does anyone have experence with testdisk?
[17:02] <impossible> how do i turn off the snap on windows in 12.4.4
[17:02] <cumana> and is there any amongst these with doesn't need painful configuration? I have bad memories connected with samba ;x
[17:03] <jpds> cumana: Dropbox? :)
[17:03] <jpds> cumana: Ubuntu One is installed on Ubuntu by default.
[17:03] <dabauer> I have jxhtmledit, but I don't know how to run it.
[17:04] <z1haze> im trying to backup information on my server and reformat it via ssh, but can someone please explain how df -h works and what are these other things it shows me? is it posible to back up inportant data onto one of those places so it isnt deleted during the format?
[17:06] <cumana> jpds, but Dropbox and cable ethernet connection? I'm surprised. :) I will google it.
[17:07] <jpds> cumana: Well, the easier will be to set up ssh on one of the machines and manual sync files across with rsync.
[17:11] <z1haze> can someone show me how i can move something to another filesystem thts showing when i do the df-h command that wont be deleted with i reinstlal ubuntu?
[17:12] <daftykins> z1haze: was it you last night that said you had 20GB of stuff so it wasn't practical to download it?
[17:12] <daftykins> z1haze: i've got to question how successful you're going to be in trying to reinstall an OS on an active system
[17:12] <jhutchins> z1haze: Safest is to put it on a separate physical device.
[17:13] <jhutchins> z1haze: If it's on the same device, you just have to make sure to avoid formatting that device during the install process.
[17:14] <daftykins> jhutchins: he's dealing with a remote server so it's kind of a funny situation =/
[17:14] <hank6262> is there a way to start a usb flashdrive isntall of ubuntu from inside ubuntu
[17:15] <frog_> hank6262: yes. but i dont know how
[17:15] <daftykins> hank6262: what situation are you in where this would be useful?
[17:16] <hank6262> no cd drive working on the laptop and no usb boot available
[17:16] <hank6262> installed ubuntu using the windows isntaller but it kept my windows which i did not want
[17:17] <hank6262> the laptop is showing its age in windows but figured it might still run a basic linus well
[17:17] <hank6262> the laptop is showing its age in windows but figured it might still run a basic linux well
[17:17] <daftykins> wait - as in WUBI?
[17:17] <daftykins> hank6262: are you sure USB boot is a no go?
[17:17] <daftykins> might just be a trick to it
[17:18] <hank6262> yes tried booting a coupel flashdrives with linux on ti and it did nothign but booted the dual boto screen
[17:18] <hank6262> yes tried booting a coupel flashdrives with linux on ti and it did nothign but booted the dual boot screen
[17:18] <z1haze> daftykins, i got it down to just under 10gb of info
[17:18] <frog_> hank6262: ure posting doubeld
[17:18] <kdsebastian27> haloha
[17:19] <hank6262> oops sorry
[17:19] <z1haze> I dont have another phsyical device, i mean i zipped it up and downloaded it to my physical computer as a just in case method.. but it would take ages to upload 10gb's to the server from my house
[17:19] <daftykins> hank6262: so you installed ubuntu using WUBI?
[17:19] <kdsebastian27> happy valentines
[17:19] <levo> i'm looking for a piece of software with the same syntax of "Maple" is there any?
[17:19] <hank6262> yes i did
[17:19] <hank6262> but i don't the windows on the pc at all
[17:19] <kdsebastian27> finally i got a gift from my sweetheart ubuntu touch phones
[17:19] <hank6262> the lnux wubi installed runs good
[17:19] <daftykins> hank6262: you can't have a WUBI install without
[17:20] <she_dyed> win
[17:20] <daftykins> (kind of)
[17:20] <daftykins> hank6262: check the system BIOS for USB legacy options, i'd be willing to bet it is capable of USB boot but might just be a bit quirky to get going
[17:20] <hank6262> i know that i can't have wubi without win but i figured if i installed wubi linux i could start a real linux install from inside the wubi linux and put real linux on
[17:20] <she_dyed> oh no
[17:20] <daftykins> z1haze: can you explain what type of system it is?
[17:20] <she_dyed> jump thru hoops tiem
[17:20] <z1haze> \
[17:20] <daftykins> z1haze: is it a VPS?
[17:21] <z1haze> no
[17:21] <kdsebastian27> am im so happy for our filipino bradah 1 of the largest network on phils has join the developers to bring the ubuntu touch to philippines
[17:21] <daftykins> she_dyed: take your offtopic talk to #ubuntu-offtopic please.
[17:21] <z1haze> its a dedicated physical server
[17:21] <daftykins> !touch | kdsebastian27
[17:21] <she_dyed> sorry
[17:21] <kdsebastian27> oh ryt
[17:22] <daftykins> z1haze: and so your only typical way to reinstall it would be to visit the data centre is it?
[17:22] <kdsebastian27> fine
[17:22] <z1haze> correct
[17:22] <hank6262> the usb legacy is enab led in the bios
[17:22] <z1haze> i saw a video its possible using unbootstrap or something? over ssh
[17:22] <Jpmh> I have a script that forks a child script using /bin/sh -c secondScript.  They of course are separate processes.  Lets say the parent is process 1000, I want to kill them both - per man page I tried kill INT -1000 - I get an error message - how do I kill the group rather than one process?
[17:22] <daftykins> z1haze: what's causing it to need a reinstall again?
[17:23] <z1haze> chwon the root directory
[17:23] <daftykins> z1haze: oh yeah - nasty.
[17:23] <z1haze> ive went thru and narrowed down all the files that need changed back, but its still like 5 recursive directoires
[17:23] <daftykins> hank6262: and when your flash drive is in, does the BIOS show it as a choice of alternative hard disk / boot device to change the boot order?
[17:23] <daftykins> z1haze: can you still get a root (user) prompt?
[17:23] <z1haze> yea
[17:24] <prp-e> Guys, is there Muslim Edition of Ubuntu yet?
[17:24] <z1haze> the server still functions
[17:24] <hank6262> no it does not show as a choice it does list it as a drive found when it first boots and shows the bios screen
[17:24] <daftykins> z1haze: why not chown -r those paths back?
[17:24] <z1haze> so an extent, still have root, sudo, can still use screen and run my game servers from it
[17:24] <z1haze> because i dont know who owns them
[17:24] <daftykins> hank6262: does that laptop have a one-time boot menu key, like F10, F11 or F12?
[17:25] <hank6262> yes it does its f12 and it lists removable drive cd rom drive hard drive and network boot
[17:25] <z1haze> i mean, i dont know who is supposed to own them: heres the list http://backconnect.net/files.txt
[17:25] <daftykins> z1haze: so you just need to know the defaults - why not install that same version of ubuntu under virtualbox on your home system then compare?
[17:26] <z1haze> couple reasons, i coudlnt get ubuntu to even install.. kept getting a ton of errors on boot up.. and a black and white glitchy screen.. like when ur graphics card goes bag
[17:26] <z1haze> bad*
[17:26] <impossible> how can i get my adnroid device to work on 12.04.4
[17:26] <impossible> gmtp wont do it
[17:26] <z1haze> messed with it for hours last night, burnt like 4 different dvd's all did the same
[17:26] <daftykins> z1haze: in virtualbox?
[17:27] <z1haze> i dont know what that is daftykins; thats why im having such a hard time, i just dont know the things needed to get this fixed alone
[17:27] <TJ-> z1haze: Did you run memtest on the system?
[17:28] <gordonjcp> z1haze: stop using DVDs and use USB instead
[17:28] <daftykins> TJ-: it's a dedi server in a data centre
[17:28] <z1haze> my usb does not work
[17:28] <TJ-> daftykins: So?
[17:28] <daftykins> if you guys are going to help, at least scroll up and understand the situation before rehashing everything
[17:28] <lustic> hi there, when i when to install updates through the update manager, it failed to do so,  it said this in the details http://paste.ubuntu.com/6932345/
[17:28] <hank6262> iwas to access the usb thumb drive from grub and boot the linux loive cd iso that was on it but it didn't give me and install option when i accessed the command prompt when bootign the wqubi linux
[17:28] <daftykins> TJ-: well you're assuming he has some kind of management access to do that :P
[17:29] <z1haze> Only access I have to the system is root ssh
[17:29] <TJ-> daftykins: What kind of "dedicated server" doesn't provide remote KVM?!
[17:29] <daftykins> TJ-: this one potentially :D
[17:29] <z1haze> he could do it, hes just lazy and wont. he just blows me off
[17:30] <Rory> Hey lustic it looks like there may be some issues writing to your hard drive. Can you please run this command, which will reboot your computer and make it check the drive for errors on reboot? "sudo shutdown -rF now"
[17:30] <z1haze> so im on my own to figure a way
[17:30] <daftykins> z1haze: he?
[17:30] <lustic> Kk thanks brb
[17:30] <z1haze> yes, the owner if the servers
[17:30] <anaifhhf> w
[17:30] <anaifhhf> www
[17:30] <daftykins> hank6262: so 'removable drive' just thinks for a moment then passes over to the multiboot menu again?
[17:31] <kermyt> z1haze, normally I will setup my sshd so as to not llow root access. then I will force users to login as a user first then upgrade privlidges to root. thes is more secure and keeps a better record of who did what where.
[17:31] <z1haze> i am really hoping today i can get some help to reinstall ubuntu from here via ssh and be able to keep this information that ive zipped up
[17:31] <tmmunq> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-performance-counter-monitor-a-better-way-to-measure-cpu-utilization
[17:32] <tmmunq> in case anyone wants to take a closer look at their rubo boost
[17:32] <tmmunq> *turbo
[17:32] <hank6262> well it does think it just lists my drive when it boots it lists th samsung hd the lexar jd necury memory stic kad  then it boots to windows dual boot screen unless i press f12 to brng to bring up the boot menu but the boot menu has no usb boot option just removable drive, cd, hd, and network and when i try removable it jsut boots to windows dual boot screen
[17:33] <daftykins> hank6262: how did you make up the flash drive with ubuntu?
[17:33] <z1haze> so can anyone help me out
[17:33] <hank6262> i made the flash drive with windows i used pendrive lniux
[17:34] <daftykins> z1haze: are you the only owner of that system?
[17:34] <hank6262> then i found instruction on google on how to use grub to manually boot from cd or flash a live cd of ubuntu from the grub command prompt when your computer won't boot form cd or flash
[17:36] <z1haze> yea
[17:36] <z1haze> basically
[17:37] <lustic> it still does not install the updates : /
[17:37] <roasted> I cannot wait until ubuntu gets its new file manager. Nautilus sure likes crashing. all. the. time.
[17:39] <skinkitten> hello, anyone, would like help, how do I install the src of this http://gimp-print.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gimp-print/
[17:39] <compdoc> roasted, Ive never seen it crash
[17:39] <jhutchins> roasted: Why not just run a different file manager?
[17:39] <skinkitten> don't know how to install this...http://gimp-print.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gimp-print/ can anyone help?
[17:39] <roasted> compdoc: I just tried to rename a folder on a samba share. Crashing each time. 8 crashes later it succeeded.
[17:39] <z1haze> daftykins: im pretty much the only 1 who uses this
[17:40] <roasted> compdoc: I saw a bug report existent for it though, so at least it's on the radar (or maybe not if the new file manager comes soonish)
[17:40] <daftykins> z1haze: i don't think the reinstall over a single SSH session is really that practical a solution
[17:40] <roasted> jhutchins: I'm about to.
[17:40] <skinkitten> I've been working on this printer for a week :'(
[17:40] <z1haze> daftykins: is there another option
[17:40] <compdoc> roasted, will there be a new one in 14.04?
[17:40] <roasted> compdoc: if I understand right it'll be available, but not default in 14.04. Then likely default on 14.10
[17:41] <pietro10> hm
[17:41] <mdw_> #sourceforge
[17:41] <pietro10> so I've been asking a few times last week about gettting GTK+ programs to use the correct font kerning, letter spacing, etc. in KDE
[17:41] <daftykins> z1haze: not beyond sorting it out in person no - assuming your provider definitely doesn't have any mechanisms for alternative access / reinstallation
[17:41] <pietro10> I thought that FIrefox was somehow doing it right - turns out the GKT+ dialogs are still using the icnorrect kerning
[17:42] <pietro10> so is there a way to fix this? I did try installing gnome-settings-daemon to no avail
[17:42] <TJ-> z1haze: Is this the same system I saw earlier this week, where someone had done "sudo chown -R minecraft:minecraft /" ?
[17:42] <z1haze> yes
[17:42] <pahaloom> skinkitten, why specifically this source - you would have to compile it and look for the makefile to install it into /usr/local and you would need to know what you are doning. Why not to try someting simpler first - like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers
[17:42] <z1haze> and ok daftykins; which is exactly why im saying althought it may not be practical its the only option i have; so why not help me try
[17:43] <suudy> TJ-: Sorry for the delay.  Got pulled away.  The CDC device is our own device (also running Ubuntu 12.04 on a custom PPC platform).  When the box boot, it does some startup work before it starts dhcpd on the CDC ethernet device.  In certain cases (such as the state this unit is in), this can take about 5 minutes.
[17:43] <daftykins> z1haze: because it's such a bad idea :)
[17:43] <jhutchins> skinkitten: Try gimp-gutenprint
[17:43] <skinkitten> pahaloom, i've been at this for a week on this chan and the forums, it has led me to this as the solution...hopefully...I'll send you a link of the thread
[17:43] <z1haze> daftykins, theres no other option.. so its either try and fail, and dont try, and fail
[17:43] <z1haze> but possibly succeed
[17:43] <daftykins> i disagree.
[17:43] <pahaloom> skinkitten, if you need to get a printer working, also mark and model would help
[17:44] <skinkitten> pahaloom, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204685&page=2&p=12929239#post12929239
[17:44] <suudy> On the client side, a PC running 12.04 server, it sees the CDC device at boot, but since dhdpd takes 5+ min to start, the client times out.
[17:44] <TJ-> z1haze: Well, I could build a new corrected install alongside over ssh and reboot into it - done that before for a server 5,000 miles away - but it needs *a lot* of expertise and hands-on terminal access. You've got your work cut out.
[17:44] <z1haze> well please, what can be done.
[17:44] <z1haze> would you help tj
[17:45] <z1haze> all i keep hearing this whole weeks is "it cant be done, sorry" no one wants to try
[17:45] <z1haze> the server is as good as useless as of now anyway
[17:45] <z1haze> what difference would it make
[17:45] <daftykins> does a lot of people agreeing not give you a hint? :)
[17:45] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: what exactly are you trying to do?
[17:45] <z1haze> daftykins, what dont u see if i cant use it now; and theres no other options to fix it; WHY WOULDNTI TRY
[17:45] <skinkitten> how do I compile this?
[17:46] <z1haze> fix my server any way possible.
[17:46] <Spec> daftykins: yeah, hater.
[17:46] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: what's wrong with it?
[17:46] <jhutchins> z1haze: Is there an option to have the ISP reinstall it?
[17:46] <z1haze> performed chown -R /
[17:46] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: ahh you did that? ok. reinstall then
[17:46] <daftykins> Spec: ;)
[17:46] <z1haze> lol..
[17:46] <daftykins> hitsujiTMO: he's in this funny situation with a dedicated server in a data centre, with no physical access ;)
[17:47] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: who's your provider?
[17:47] <TJ-> z1haze: It's an expensive job in terms of time. If you really need to recover that, you'll have to pay an expert for that kind of fix-up.
[17:47] <ActionPa1snip> z1haze: id reinstall, the permissions on folders in any OS is very specific
[17:47] <z1haze> just some person i know
[17:47] <skinkitten> pahaloom, ? jhutchins ?
[17:47] <z1haze> i need help to reinstall then because i dont have the normal way of using the disc drive image or w/e
[17:47] <jhutchins> TJ-: Y'know, a reinstall is like 30 minutes and doesn't require an expert.
[17:47] <z1haze> i only have shh access
[17:47] <kpop722> Is it okay if I ask for help?  Hi. I have a MFC-7840 printer and I'm trying to figure out how to scan with it.  I am using Ubuntu 12.04.3. I'm not very good with computers, so thorough help would be great. Thanks
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: and you don't have a control panel?
[17:48] <jhutchins> z1haze: So, again, with the provider reinstall for you?
[17:48] <z1haze> i do not have a control panel
[17:48] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: did you download the 2 debs from the Brother site for the device
[17:48] <z1haze> NO they will not
[17:48] <daftykins> kpop722: what make is it? have you googled "ubuntu 12.04 <printer>" ?
[17:48] <z1haze> thats my isse
[17:48] <jhutchins> z1haze: So cancell it and get a new one from a better provider.
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: in that case go with a different provider
[17:48] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[17:48] <z1haze> i have pay much for this machine
[17:48] <z1haze> dont*
[17:49] <z1haze> and its a good deal
[17:49] <z1haze> i cant afford to switch
[17:49] <kpop722> I really don't know how to open that? I'm terrible with computers
[17:49] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: not a good deal if you can't even use it
[17:49] <jhutchins> z1haze: Not a good deal if you can't use it.
[17:49] <z1haze> well, it was my fault its messed up
[17:49] <z1haze> it was fine before i messed up
[17:49] <z1haze> and 25/mo for an e3 with 32gb of ram is not something im going to throw away
[17:49] <pietro10> if you can figure out what hte correct permissions for each and every subdirectory of / are then go ahead and try to repair, otherwise you should backup and reinstall, yes
[17:49] <z1haze> bes a dick, but its cheap
[17:49] <pietro10> depends on how complex the server setup was
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: is this an ovh server?
[17:50] <TJ-> z1haze: Good way to force yourself to learn how to do recovery! mess up a system in a local virtual machine, figure out how to recover it, then apply those lessons to your remote server
[17:50] <z1haze> no its not
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: whats the ip of the server?
[17:50] <skinkitten> pahaloom, is it the autogen.sh
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: i bet its from an ovh reseller
[17:51] <pahaloom> sorry skinkitten - the forum answers say's it all. Start with readme file of the source, get dependencies installed, run the make command and then once make finished something like make install and pray - or alternatively find a specialist who can do it all for you. This channel is not for providing help on compiling a package.
[17:51] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: copy the command and press CTRL + ALT  + T
[17:51] <z1haze> i just want someone to try to fix it with me
[17:51] <kpop722> Oh, into terminal? Thanks
[17:51] <z1haze> i saw its possible over ssh with unbootstrap or something
[17:51] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: paste the command to the terminal and hit ENTER, copy the output and paste here as. It is one line so is ok
[17:52] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: not seeing much from that, whats the name of the company that is hosting?
[17:52] <kpop722> I got this "Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l"
[17:52] <z1haze> im not even sure
[17:53] <z1haze> frag ready
[17:53] <z1haze> i dont pay officially thru a company
[17:53] <z1haze> i just pay him
[17:53] <jhutchins> !paste
[17:53] <jhutchins> z1haze: Paste the output of fdisk -l and df -h please
[17:54] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: then that person has access to the control panel. you'll have to contact them
[17:54] <z1haze> :( i dont undestsand why i have to say this a thousand times
[17:54] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: http://pastie.org/8733979
[17:54] <z1haze> he wont do it
[17:54] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: run those lines in that same terminal, one by one
[17:54] <kpop722> ok
[17:54] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: it wil install the driver you need
[17:55] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: can you pastebin the output of: free -m
[17:55] <jhutchins> hitsujiTMO: WTF?
[17:55] <z1haze> 17gv
[17:55] <z1haze> gb*
[17:55] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: can you pastebin the full output
[17:56] <hitsujiTMO> jhutchins: i think hes not on the actual server but a LXC or KVM
[17:56] <z1haze> http://pastebin.com/J2d20Nge
[17:56] <z1haze> its the actual server
[17:56] <gr33n7007h> is 13.04 not supported?
[17:56] <Yash_> Hi...can anyone help me with xauth installation? I do sudo apt-get install xauth...then it says xauth is already the newest version..but when i type xauth..it says program is not installed
[17:56] <daftykins> gr33n7007h: nope, eol
[17:57] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: thats 23gb of ram not 32 tho :P
[17:57] <kpop722> Apparently I'm not a sudo user though..
[17:57] <gr33n7007h> daftykins, ok just looking at currently supported versions
[17:57] <z1haze> yea i know
[17:57] <z1haze> the machine was moved t colo a week or 2 ago and a stick went bad
[17:57] <z1haze> its being replaced
[17:58] <Yash_>  Hi...can anyone help me with xauth installation? I do sudo apt-get install xauth...then it says xauth is already the newest version..but when i type xauth..it says program is not installed
[17:58] <z1haze> what relevance does that have to anything
[17:58] <gordonjcp> Yash_: xauth is installed by default
[17:58] <daftykins> Yash_: please don't repeat so often. perhaps you're not meant to run it as you're trying
[17:58] <kpop722> @ActionPalsnip  I'm not a sudo user though?
[17:58] <Yash_> gordonjcp: but when i type xauth in terminal..it says please install it
[17:59] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: can you pastebin the info jhutchins asked for: sudo fdisk -l      and: df -h
[17:59] <daftykins> Yash_: what are you *actually* trying to do?
[17:59] <gordonjcp> Yash_: which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:59] <Yash_> X11 forwarding
[17:59] <Walex> Yash_: try 'dpkg -S bin/xauth'
[18:00] <BaconMilk> Could any of the gurus guide me in the right direction here?
[18:00] <Yash_> let me try that
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> Whats the command to reconfigure a package again?
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> dpkg --something
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> Right?
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> I can't remember the flag...
[18:00] <hitsujiTMO> Magiobiwan: dpkg-reconfigure
[18:00] <TJ-> z1haze: I'll refer you to what I told you on February 10th:
[18:00] <TJ-> Feb 10 15:21:42 <TJ->   z1haze: I've fixed such problems in the past where clients have done similar, by doing a clean install of the exact same version into a virtual machine image, then stopping the VM, loop-mounting it's file-system locally, and then running an iterative script on it that copies the permissions of each directory and file from the loopmount to the corrupted target. That has to have root access of course.
[18:00] <Yash_> it gave me the path... /usr/bin/xauth
[18:00] <Magiobiwan> Well, that helps
[18:00] <Walex> Yash_: so it is installed... Try the full path
[18:01] <Magiobiwan> Ty hitsujiTMO
[18:01] <z1haze> http://pastebin.com/r6qhDWBt
[18:01] <Walex> Yash_: or it was installed and it disappeared
[18:01] <BaconMilk> im running ubuntu server with 3,4v I really would like to update my awesome to 3.52 could somebody guide me on how to do it ? as  its the only vm that im running dont seem to understand how this works now.
[18:01] <Yash_> sorry..i didnt get you guys
[18:01] <Yash_> what should i actually do?
[18:01] <ActionPa1snip> kpop722: you will need to be able to use sudo (or be root) to do this
[18:01] <Walex> Yash_: try: ls -ld /usr/bin/xauth; debsums xauth
[18:02] <z1haze> TJ i read that last time
[18:02] <Walex> Yash_: try: ls -ld /usr/bin/xauth; debsums -c xauth
[18:02] <Yash_> Walex: it says the program debsums is not installed
[18:02] <z1haze> like talking calculus to a 1st grader.. it means nothing to me
[18:02] <TJ-> z1haze: So do it :) Practice at home in virtual machines until you're confident
[18:02] <Walex> Yash_: does it list '/usr/bin/xauth'?
[18:03] <daftykins> i've a feeling z1haze is after a solution sooner than that ;)
[18:03] <z1haze> ding ding
[18:03] <Walex> Yash_: if  it is listed, try to run '/usr/bin/xauth list'
[18:03] <z1haze> first common sense thing ive heard
[18:03] <Maurice_la_sauci> Does someone know how to activate all systray icons? (I currently only have Dropbox,
[18:03] <Maurice_la_sauci> oops
[18:03] <jnor> Question: as root I do: "passwd user1", then as user1 I do: "sudo touch test" and it tells me the password is wrong??
[18:03] <Yash_> Wales: it says missing file /usr/binxauth
[18:04] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: so you don't have access even to a rescue cd?
[18:04] <gordonjcp> Yash_: which version of Ubuntu is this?
[18:04] <tingtongdevil> @yash you miss / after bin
[18:04] <z1haze> not that im aware of
[18:04] <Yash_> no no..i did use /
[18:04] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: No remote hands, no remote KVM
[18:04] <tingtongdevil> ls -lrt /usr/bin/xauth
[18:04] <Yash_> its ubuntu 12.04.4
[18:05] <gordonjcp> Yash_: desktop?
[18:05] <Yash_> terminal
[18:05] <S-USA|Nexus> Maurice_la_Saudi: It's not officially supported in Unity as of 13.04
[18:05] <kpop722> Thank you though. I'll save the info and try again later
[18:05] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: i think you're out of luck then. you have no partitions to play with that you could create a debootstrap environment from
[18:05] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: no such file or directory
[18:05] <tingtongdevil> @yash: run this sudo find / -name "xauth" -print
[18:05] <ActionPa1snip> !find binxauth
[18:05] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: There's 120G available in sda1 for a loop mount
[18:06] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: I don't have that file on my desktop Ubuntu....
[18:06] <Yash_> i got the path /usr/share/doc/xauth
[18:07] <she_dyed> thats the manual
[18:07] <DrShoggoth> is zfs my best bet for a versioning filesystem?
[18:07] <Yash_> guys???? any solution to fix the xauth
[18:07] <Yash_> ?
[18:07] <Maurice_la_sauci> S-USA|Nexus: I'm under Ubuntu 12.04 (gnome classic)
[18:07] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: i was thinking along the lines of installing a debootstrap env, booting to that, then creating a fresh working system from there
[18:08] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: if he had a decent size swap he could have used that partition but its too small
[18:08] <Walex> DrShoggoth: ZFS is not quite a versioning filesystem, but there are also NILFS2 and BTRFS and arguably the COW versions of ext3 and ext4
[18:08] <tingtongdevil> @yash: have u run sudo dpkg -a --configure
[18:08] <tingtongdevil> ?
[18:08] <Yash_> gordonjcp: ???
[18:08] <Walex> Yash_: the path is /usr/bin/xauth
[18:09] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: let me try that
[18:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I don't think it needs that; like I recommended on the 10th, install an identical OS in a VM, then copy the permissions to the target
[18:09] <jtld> I have taken over a server running cyrus and need to handle an overfull non deleting messages mailbox -- no one responding on cyrus channel
[18:09] <z1haze> tj how can that be done
[18:09] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Then, from that, there will be sufficient to run the native tools reliably
[18:09] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: did that
[18:09] <jtld> 	telnet dele command issued but doesn't actually result in message deleted
[18:09] <Walex> DrShoggoth: NILFS2 is pretty well tested, and BTRFS as well, except for the RAID-like bits.
[18:09] <kroghet> I just updated ubuntu from 12.04 LTS to I guess it was 12.10 with the updater in Ubuntu. Then first it freeze when starting up and say it can't mount /tmp, then after that it just get stuck on the purple screen. I have found out how to find the Grub menu, and removed some "quiet splash" to "text" and I can see that it keeps saying Feature buffer full Feature buffer full a lot of times, and then it says "Starting AppArmor profiles" fai
[18:09] <Yash_> itype xauth and it still says xauth is not installed
[18:09] <jtld> 	I can pull up email lists etc. though on mail2web -- squirell mail errors out with no mail listed
[18:10] <tingtongdevil> @yash : you run sudo apt-get remove xauth
[18:10] <gordonjcp> Yash_: I don't know what you're trying to do, or why?
[18:10] <S-USA|Nexus> Maurice_la_sauci: Have you started the programs for which tray icons exist, and have you enabled their icons where applicable?
[18:10] <Yash_> gordonjcp: i am trying to run xauth
[18:10] <pietro10> Hi. GTK+ programs running in KDE do not use the proper kerning, letter spacing, etc. as evidenced by other KDE programs. Oddly, Firefox looks right, but the GTK+ standard dialogue boxes it uses don't. I have gtk*-engines-oxygen installed; this appears to happen regardless of engine. I tried installing gnom,e-settings-daemon, but that dind't work. What can I do? Thanks.
[18:10] <tingtongdevil> @yash then u can install
[18:10] <jtld> kroghet: I would boot from the cd and choose rescue system
[18:10] <gordonjcp> Yash_: why?
[18:10] <Yash_> xauth
[18:10] <hitsujiTMO> Yash_: whats the output of: echo $PATH
[18:11] <z1haze> TJ- can you help doing what your suggesting
[18:11] <Yash_> hitsujiTMO: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/db/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin
[18:11] <kroghet> ok, i only have a usb, but i guess that will do the job. I will try that. Thx
[18:11] <tingtongdevil> @yash: wat i wanted you to do is , remove the package and install again
[18:11] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: done
[18:11] <Walex> Yash_: please type the full path /usr/bin/xauth
[18:11] <hitsujiTMO> Yash_: ls -l /usr/bin/xauth
[18:11] <TJ-> z1haze: I've already helped by explaining how to do it, what you've got is way beyond the community support you can expect here
[18:12] <|PiP|> is doing sudo -s vs logging in as root the exact same thing?
[18:12] <ffwacom> So is Ubuntu moving away from upstart?
[18:12] <z1haze> but you said you know how?
[18:12] <daftykins> z1haze: he's saying it's too much work
[18:12] <bekks> ffwacom: No, but the result is the same.
[18:12] <Yash_> tingtongdevil: just a sec..let me try out
[18:12] <Walex> pietro10: kerning etc. is not a Gtk issue, it is a text renderer one, for example Cairo.
[18:12] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: its not a trivial task. you need to recreate your system in a vm, then mirror the file permissions
[18:13] <TJ-> z1haze: If you want someone else to do that for you, you'll need to hire a professional
[18:13] <ffwacom> Bekks: should I stop writing upstart scripts?
[18:13] <pietro10> Walex: hm
[18:13] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: that can be over 100000 files to do
[18:13] <bekks> ffwacom: Why?
[18:13] <Walex> pietro10: the Gtk engines are about theming, not text rendering.
[18:13] <z1haze> i have the files list
[18:13] <ffwacom> Well will upstart be in future versions of ubuntu
[18:13] <bekks> ffwacom: Yes.
[18:13] <Rory> !ot | ffwacom Yes
[18:13] <zykotick9> bekks: not sure where you're getting that?  seems Mark's blog post would suggest they are?
[18:13] <ffwacom> Ok cheers
[18:14] <hitsujiTMO> zykotick9: don't expect it to change immediately. will be 14.10 at least
[18:14] <bekks> zykotick9: At least in 14.04 there is no systemd default. And thats "a future version".
[18:14] <zykotick9> hitsujiTMO: oh i know.
[18:15] <z1haze> so if i have the list of files, it still makes it 'impossible'?
[18:16] <pietro10> ok let's see if there's a missing cairo package then
[18:16] <hitsujiTMO> z1haze: not impossible. just really really tedious and difficult. as TJ- suggested. start testing with some vms
[18:16] <Arceye> Is it possible to uninstall unity ?
[18:17] <krabador> Arceye, to use what?
[18:17] <pietro10> doesn't seem to be one
[18:17] <pietro10> hm
[18:17] <hitsujiTMO> Arceye: you can swith to a different destop environment pretty easily. no need to uninstall. just install an alternative like: sudo apt get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:17] <Arceye> krabador:   gnome
[18:17] <ffwacom> Many other desktop environments
[18:18] <krabador> Arceye, i suggest you to install directly ubuntu-gnome
[18:18] <ffwacom> Xmonad
[18:18] <Arceye> krabador: I was going to install gnome then if possible remove unity as it seems to use too many resources
[18:19] <OerHeks> !nounity
[18:20] <ffwacom> !Classic
[18:20] <krabador> Arceye, if you install ubuntu-gnome-desktop, and you run it, unity don't use resources
[18:20] <ffwacom> !gnome
[18:20] <ffwacom> !terminal
[18:20] <hitsujiTMO> ffwacom: enough. thats not being helpful
[18:20] <Arceye> krabador: ok
[18:20] <ffwacom> Haha soz
[18:20] <tingtongdevil> which release unity was introduced?
[18:21] <chris_is_me> 12.04
[18:21] <DrShoggoth> I really like the look of btrfs,  any horror stories?
[18:21] <Arceye> tingtongdevil  I believe 11.04 which was the time ubuntu started to require high end hardware
[18:21] <tingtongdevil> okay
[18:21] <zykotick9> tingtongdevil: 11.04 it became default.  but i think it was the netbook release (discontinued, where it was first released)
[18:22] <Arceye> 10.04 rocked , then 11.04 ran terrible by comparison
[18:24] <tingtongdevil> i run 11.04 currently in my dell inspiron 1012 min with 1gb ram .. I m very happy that it boots in  seconds and os is so light weight..It still gives battery backup of 3 hours after 2 years of hardcore use
[18:24] <bekks> And it's EOL. :)
[18:24] <tingtongdevil> my roommates uses 8gb ram with windows ..it takes more that thrice time to boot than my syste
[18:25] <bekks> Once a day at most. :)
[18:25] <Arceye> tingtongdevil then I must have a big issue then 11.04 on my system ran worse then windows 7 on a P3 400 with 512MB ram would
[18:26] <tingtongdevil> Arceye: is it?
[18:26] <varius> привет кто есть?
[18:27] <tingtongdevil> Acreye : then i cant tell people that ubuntu is faster..:P
[18:27] <Arceye> tingtongdevil I am just trying to have something to replace winXP as winXP is EOL soon , but it must run as fast as winXP on the same hardware
[18:27] <Arceye> tingtongdevil that's corrrect you can't in any way
[18:28] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: 11.04 is no longer supported in any way
[18:28] <varius> wat???
[18:28] <Arceye> I am installing 12.04  again for the 3rd time in 24 hours
[18:28] <tingtongdevil> @arceye: but i can say in my system it works pretty much faster
[18:29] <ActionPa1snip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases  11.04 was EOL and no longer supported as of 28th October 2012
[18:29] <ActionPa1snip> dead and gone, good riddence
[18:29] <Arceye> tingtongdevil I can't deny that at all, however it isn't a typical example
[18:29] <tingtongdevil> Arceye: yeah true:
[18:30] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: I'd hang til April then install Lubuntu 14.04 which is LTS and supported til April 2019
[18:30] <LittleMachine> hi guys I just made a mistake at work and I think I am toast :(   I was instructed to chmod 777 into each subfolder (test site) and I accidently did something like CHMOD 777 -r /website/
[18:30] <tingtongdevil> @arceeye: i like this 11.04,pretty much.. Not wanting to upgrade
[18:30] <Arceye> I don't want to be negative about it, but I am constantly hitting brick walls with it
[18:30] <jnor> WTF. I just changed my user passwd, user is in sudo group. Still I get "sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): auth could not identify password for" What the f
[18:30] <LittleMachine> ls: cannot open directory .: Permission denied
[18:30] <ActionPa1snip> tingtongdevil: the community will not support it, its dead. The OS will run but dont expect any updates or community support
[18:30] <LittleMachine> anyone know how to fix it?
[18:31] <ActionPa1snip> LittleMachine: is it executable by your user?
[18:31] <jnor> LittleMachine read about unix permissions
[18:31] <LittleMachine> jnor, which one exactly
[18:31] <LittleMachine> the other directories work, just the / doesn't work unless I sudo
[18:31] <tingtongdevil> Actionpalsnip:i know about it: Waiting for my exam to finish , i ll update it with newest version
[18:33] <Arceye> install 12.04 done, now to download gnome and other DE's
[18:33] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: 12.04 comes with Gnome....
[18:33] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip   it's not an option on log in
[18:34] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: its the DE when you use Unity
[18:34] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip then I need the gnome other bits :)
[18:34] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: what other bits exactly?
[18:35] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip the actual desktop  to remove the stupid launcher and put the task bar where it belongs :)
[18:36] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: so gnome-panel
[18:36] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip that would be it
[18:37] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: I'd just use xfce if you like the 2 panel session
[18:38] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip I am grabbing LXDE, Cinnamon, XFCE4.x
[18:38] <ActionPa1snip> <3 LXDE
[18:39] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip goint to try them all and see which kills the pc least
[18:39] <Arceye> not touching KDE though , far too much plastic for me
[18:39] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: wise move, like your mindset
[18:40] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip  it wasn't like that a few hours ago,    linux sucked in every way :)
[18:44] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: probably something you changed
[18:46] <suudy> Ok.  I'm still stumped on the CDC ethernet problem with ubuntu server.  I see dhclient fail to get a DHCPOFFER, but it reverts to the last recorded lease.  But it doesn't bring up the interface.  If I do 'ifconfig usb0 up', it comes up correctly.
[18:47] <suudy> I added 'auto usb0' and 'iface usb0 inet dhcp' to my /etc/network/interfaces
[18:48] <suudy> I'm not getting why this interface refuses to come up.
[18:48] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip , it was different things on different distro's ubuntu was running slower than a slow thing, lubuntu wouldn't let me run dual monitor the way I want it to, debian also suffered with dual monitor
[18:48] <suudy> er, come up automatically.
[18:49] <OerHeks> suudy, try ' sudo ifconfig usb0 up && sudo dhcpcd usb0 '
[18:49] <ActionPa1snip> Arceye: tried a non-debian based distro?
[18:49] <morsnowski> !die
[18:49] <morsnowski> apologies
[18:49] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip many years ago I used mandrake / mandriva  but I thought they were becoming bloated
[18:50] <suudy> OerHeks: That works.  The manual configuration works.
[18:50] <suudy> OerHeks: But I'm trying to get the automatic configuration to work.
[18:53] <LittleMachine> anyway to fix $ sudo chmod -R /
[18:53] <stmiller> :)
[18:53] <LittleMachine> made a rookie move with   $ sudo chmod -R /     hoping i can fix it
[18:53] <KP> anyone know who to set focus-follow-mouse in 13?
[18:55] <pietro10> oh here's some fun
[18:55] <pietro10> the KDE session locker is ALSO using the wrong font kerning!
[18:57] <TJ-> Two in one day! LittleMachine Best way to fix is to recreate an identical install in a virtual machine, and then use a script to apply the correct permissions from the 'good' to the 'bad'
[18:58] <Arceye> ActionPa1snip all panels /dte's installed now reboot
[19:02] <Atoj> hi, there is some way to install the "recommended" option of proprietary drivers from terminal?
[19:06] <yash_> Hi...I got x11 port forwarding done but i get this error when i try to run xclock: "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0"
[19:07] <Arceye> ok, so how do I change screen resolution with LXDE ?
[19:08] <yash_> MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0
[19:09] <yash_> Hi...I got x11 port forwarding done but i get this error when i try to run xclock: "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0"
[19:09] <yash_> any help?
[19:10] <Guest45025> I have problem with terminal can anyone help me for sec pls !
[19:10] <yash_> xauth: can you help me
[19:10] <yash_> ?
[19:10] <Guest45025> I wasn`t enable to go on top of alot of lines. I have script which one return alot of lines and i can`t go and see the ones of top.Any help is priceless!!!
[19:10] <yash_> xauth: Hi...I got x11 port forwarding done but i get this error when i try to run xclock: "MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 data did not matchError: Can't open display: a4:10.0"
[19:11]  * xauth ponders
[19:11] <yash_> any help for x11 forwarding?
[19:11] <xauth> yash_: can you telnet to a4 port 6010?
[19:12] <yash_> xauth: connection refusd
[19:13] <xauth> yash_: Then your X server is probably only listening on the localhost interface. Most are configured that way these days.
[19:13] <yash_> xauth: i dunno why my $DISPLAy is set to a4:10.0...earlier it was localhost:10.0
[19:14] <yash_> xauth: i am using xming for xforwarding
[19:16] <xauth> yash_: Can you telnet to localhost port 6010 then?
[19:16] <tyler_d> Guest45025: can you be a bit more specific, possibly an example please
[19:16] <yash_> xauth: unable to connect to loalhost
[19:16] <yash_> localhost*
[19:17] <yash_> cd ..
[19:17] <Guest45025> I can`t go on top of alot of lines in terminal. I have script which one return alot of lines and i can`t go and see the ones of top.Any help is priceless!!!
[19:17] <xauth> hmm
[19:18] <yash_> Xming help anyone?
[19:19] <xauth> Guest45025: pipe output through less.
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> Guest45025  use   your_script > output    then use     less output
[19:20] <xauth> yash_: How did you set up your port forwarding?
[19:21] <yash_> xauth: i selected x11 forwarding in putty and then im using Xming
[19:22] <Guest45025> It is possible to run it like this : ./scropt.py | less ?
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> Guest45025  try to find out
[19:23] <SafariMonkey> So... I'm having a hard time getting recording to work through pavucontrol. I've tried VSXu (the one I'm trying to get working), audacity, sound recorder... recording doesn't work. Changing playback settings works though.
[19:23] <Guest45025> ty for help it`s a slow script i will run it now
[19:24] <xauth> yash_: What kind of system did you forward the X11 port to?
[19:25] <pietro10> My laptop is picking up network printers from school and what not; how do I disable that? Thanks.
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> SafariMonkey  if you don't get an answer here... #ubuntustudio is multimedia dedicated...
[19:26] <SafariMonkey> MonkeyDust, I'm currently not running the Studio distro. Will I be able to get help there?
[19:27] <SafariMonkey> MonkeyDust, thanks in any case, I'll ask
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> SafariMonkey  it's a tip, I hope it's useful
[19:28] <SafariMonkey> MonkeyDust, Thanks. I've asked.
[19:28] <Arceye> xrandr
[19:30] <JaredTemple> Can someone help me out?
[19:31] <SafariMonkey> JaredTemple, ask the question. No-one knows if they can unless you ask.
[19:31] <JaredTemple> I need to reinstall Ubuntu from a fresh start. Basically like a system restore in windows. However, I dont have the install disk or drive nor can I create one.
[19:31] <JaredTemple> Is there anyway to do this from Ubuntu or maybe another computer?
[19:32] <Beldar> JaredTemple, there is no restore, however a separate home is often used.
[19:32] <JaredTemple> What is a serperate home?
[19:33] <Beldar> JaredTemple, In ubuntu you have a root and home, they can be separated so that home is the same on a upgrade, or install.
[19:33] <jhutchins> Could somebody paste or point to a standard sources.list?
[19:34] <Beldar> jhutchins, http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[19:34] <JaredTemple> Well, I am giving this computer to a friend as a gift because he wanted to try Linux. So I was going to give him this but I wanted to get rid of all my stuff and have him start from scratch to get the full experience for himself
[19:34] <jhutchins> Beldar: thx.
[19:34] <Beldar> JaredTemple, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:34] <Beldar> jhutchins, no prob.
[19:35] <Beldar> JaredTemple, Your friend with or without you needs to do a fresh install basically.
[19:35] <JaredTemple> Exactly.
[19:36] <JaredTemple> So this process will do this for me?
[19:36] <JaredTemple> I want him to be at the setup screen when he turns it on.
[19:37] <Beldar> JaredTemple, A separate home would be for you if you were upgrading the release and wanted to save stuff.
[19:37] <JaredTemple> Okay. So what do I need to do for him so he can have a fresh install?
[19:38] <Beldar> JaredTemple, They need a disk or usb with the ubuntu iso loaded, how did you install?
[19:38] <Arceye> how do I run randr from LXDE ?
[19:38] <JaredTemple> USB that a friend let me use.
[19:38] <JaredTemple> I guess I'll have to get in contact with him or make my own.
[19:39] <JaredTemple> I was just wondering if there was a setting in Ubuntu
[19:39] <JaredTemple> Thank you Beldar
[19:39] <Beldar> JaredTemple, So your friends install would be the same, from a disk or usb, seems like you can instruct them, or they could come here.
[19:45] <SafariMonkey> (repeating question if hat's OK): So... I'm having a hard time getting recording to work through pavucontrol. I've tried VSXu (the one I'm trying to get working), audacity, sound recorder... recording doesn't work. Changing playback settings works though.
[19:46] <Beldar> Arceye, Might help to give the channel some context with that query.
[19:48] <Ryan___> hello, i get the error message: no detected operating systems when i am trying to install
[19:49] <ikonia> your hard disk is missing a valid boot sector
[19:49] <ikonia> (your booting hard disk)
[19:49] <Ryan___> ?
[19:49] <Beldar> Ryan___, can you pastebin    sudo parted -l
[19:49] <Ryan___> i am not linux
[19:50] <ikonia> then why are you asking in #ubuntu ?
[19:50] <ikonia> as this channel is for ubuntu help
[19:50] <Ryan___> i am trying to dual boot with windows 8.1
[19:50] <Beldar> Ryan___, You were on yesterday, you have a W8.1 install correct?
[19:51] <Ryan___> yes
[19:51] <BenCoinanke> is "raring" and "raring ringtail" the same version?
[19:51] <Beldar> Ryan___, have you read the uefi wiki, you were not aware of uefi?
[19:51] <Ryan___> i done the press F12 to boot from USB, i chose the language, joined my wifi but then it said no operating systems detected
[19:52] <Ryan___> no i have not read
[19:52] <hitsujiTMO> BenCoinanke: yes, and they are both unsupported and End of Life
[19:52] <Beldar> !uefi | Ryan___
[19:52] <BenCoinanke> are they the same exact version though?
[19:52] <hitsujiTMO> BenCoinanke: yes
[19:53] <BenCoinanke> so both are exactly 13.04 , different names for the exact same version?
[19:53] <hitsujiTMO> BenCoinanke: yes
[19:53] <BenCoinanke> ok thx
[19:53] <BenCoinanke> I've always hated the naming schemes
[19:54] <SafariMonkey> BenCoinanke, Raring is short for Raring Ringtail like "8.1" can be short for "Windows 8.1"
[19:54] <Beldar> Ryan___, This thread is helpful in showing different possibilities on installing on hardware from different vendors. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[19:55] <[Ethos]> Hi, I installed Linux and Windows 8 on diff partitions, and it only loads Windows 8
[19:55] <ROPA> I have a usb drive with thousands of folders on it, each folder and subfolder says "The folder permissions are inconsistent, you may not be able to work with files in this folder". I can't access any of the files in these folders. My permissions appear correct and I am listed as the 'owner'. How do I fix this problem without manually going to each folder and subfolder to click on the 'correct this problem' button???
[19:56] <unsecur3d> [Ethos], which one did you installed first ?
[19:56] <[Ethos]> chmod -R 777 *.*
[19:56] <[Ethos]> chown username:username -R *.*
[19:56] <[Ethos]> unsecur3d: Windows 8, then Linux
[19:57] <hitsujiTMO> [Ethos]: uefi or bios?
[19:57] <[Ethos]> uefi
[19:57] <unsecur3d> did u installed the boot loader when installing linux ?
[19:57] <[Ethos]> no
[19:57] <[Ethos]> if it did it by default I dunno
[19:58] <unsecur3d> u might need to retry to install it and make sure you install the boot loader grub2 when asked and that you enable the windows parition as well during installation
[19:58] <Neyzan>  /server irc.irc-hispano.org
[19:58] <hitsujiTMO> [Ethos]: use the efi boot menu to select ubuntu then. Unfortunately, updates to windows BCD can trigger the BCD into becoming the default OS
[19:58] <Neyzan> uooops sorry!!!
[19:59] <ROPA> [Ethos] I had preffered to use 666 and have done a chmod -R 666 previously, with using '666' instead of '777' create any problems??? All the files are data file, nothing that needs to be executable.
[19:59] <[Ethos]> use 666 then
[19:59] <[Ethos]> hitsujiTMO: link me plz
[19:59] <ROPA> [Ethos] ok, ty, will try it. Have a great day.
[19:59] <hitsujiTMO> [Ethos]: link what exactly?
[20:00] <[Ethos]> hitsujiTMO: so how do I get it to load now
[20:00] <[Ethos]> both
[20:00] <hitsujiTMO> [Ethos]: use the efi boot menu on your machine
[20:00] <unsecur3d> boot from cd to rescue mode
[20:00] <unsecur3d> that will give u a shell and look up how to manually setup grub2 in google
[20:00] <[Ethos]> ok
[20:00] <[Ethos]> brb
[20:01] <Sluimers> Hello there, I have a problem with my Unity Menu, the "Unlock from launcher" option no longer works
[20:01] <TJ-> [Ethos] hitsujiTMO: The firmware might be configured for FastBoot, in which case it will start into Windows immediately without considering the boot menu
[20:02] <paulschreiber> I'm running 12.04 LTS, and installed the apache2.2-common package. It claims to install (confirmed via dpkg -L) /etc/apache2/mods-available/proxy_http.load, but that file's not on my system.
[20:02] <jhutchins> If a package in a list passed to aptitude is unavailable, is there a way to tell aptitude to go ahead anyway instead of erroring out?
[20:02] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: since he said he's already installed ubuntu then i'd presume this has already been disable
[20:02] <hitsujiTMO> d
[20:02] <Guest81313> !help
[20:02] <Seveas> paulschreiber: apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common should bring it back
[20:02] <ypaq> hey
[20:02] <Seveas> though that may need a --force-confmiss
[20:02] <paulschreiber> Seveas: tried that. no luck.
[20:02] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Yeah, I thought that, but the symptoms sound like FastBoot - I got caught by it once :)
[20:03] <Seveas> paulschreiber: with the --force-confmiss as well?
[20:03] <ypaq> is there a way during installation of 12.04 to force the creation of the first user with a reservered username, e.g., admin?
[20:03] <ryanmoon> hello
[20:04] <paulschreiber> Seveas: what's the syntax for using that flag?
[20:04] <ryanmoon> when i try installing ubuntu from USB it says no detected OS's, i have WIndows 8.1
[20:04] <p3rsist> Hi guys. I want to run a command with user B env variables but with root permissions from a user A shell. How can I do it?
[20:04] <Beldar> ypaq, admin as the user name a role? have you tried that user name?
[20:04] <Beldar> a=and
[20:05] <paulschreiber> aha!
[20:05] <paulschreiber> apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install apache2.2-common worked
[20:05] <ryanmoon> beldar
[20:06] <Seveas> paulschreiber: I was perusing the manpage and about to suggest dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common*deb :)
[20:06] <ypaq> Beldar: i just want the username, don't care about the group
[20:07] <Sluimers> Beldar, I still have the same problem
[20:07] <gnuts> hi
[20:07] <ryanmoon> It says no detected OS when i try to install ubuntu
[20:07] <Beldar> ryanmoon, Have you looked at and have a basic understanding of the uefi conundrum. This is not the best place for a complete explanation of a uefi install, just a heads up, you have to have some understanding.
[20:07] <ryanmoon> i tried what it said
[20:07] <gnuts> ryanmoon unlucky to have uefi
[20:07] <gnuts> lol
[20:07] <ryanmoon> how do i get uefi?
[20:07] <gnuts> sucks
[20:07] <Seveas> !uefi
[20:08] <Beldar> ypaq, And did you try the the user name? the first user is a super user with a password automatically.
[20:08] <[Ethos]> here's the thing, if he learns how to turn it on and off it would be wise
[20:08] <[Ethos]> press f12 on startup
[20:08] <gnuts> !openbox
[20:08] <[Ethos]> go to bios
[20:08] <gnuts> lol
[20:08] <gnuts> love openbox
[20:08] <[Ethos]> 13.10 supports uefi
[20:08] <[Ethos]> download 13.10
[20:08] <gnuts> im on 12.04
[20:09] <gnuts> just switched from manjaro
[20:09] <gnuts> manjaro was nice
[20:09] <Beldar> ryanmoon, You have uefi already. Did you see the ubuntu forums link I posted to you on these installs?
[20:09] <gnuts> but too unstable
[20:09] <ryanmoon> yes
[20:09] <gnuts> inherits it from arch
[20:09] <gnuts> uefi replaces biome
[20:09] <gnuts> tbios
[20:09] <gnuts> it is a bugger
[20:10] <gnuts> anyone need help?
[20:10] <Beldar> ryanmoon, Be sure to use nicks here you can tab complete them. In that UF link besides the install instructions is a comment on being sure to have your windows imaged/cloned and a backup disk made, do you have this done?
[20:11] <ryanmoon> no, i am trying to install ubuntu 13.10, is that the problem?
[20:11] <SafariMonkey> gnuts, you offering?
[20:12] <Mohi> ryanmoon, hope you switched off fast boot and secure boot
[20:12] <Beldar> ryanmoon, Any OS can be wiped at any time easily, this install being that you seem to have no real knowledge of, no biggie has a danger of loosing the windows install, so image it and have a recovery disk to cover your booty.
[20:12] <ryanmoon> i switched off fast boot but dont know how to secure boot
[20:13] <SafariMonkey> gnuts, in case that was an offer to help: I'm having a hard time getting recording to work through pavucontrol. I've tried VSXu (the one I'm trying to get working), audacity, sound recorder... recording doesn't work. Changing playback settings works though.
[20:14] <Beldar> just a suggestion, it would be a bummer to see you with a bricked computer and no backups is all
[20:14] <ryanmoon> how do i turn off secure boot?
[20:14] <gnuts> hi soz i was away
[20:14] <Mohi> Hope you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[20:15] <gnuts> who needed help?
[20:15] <SafariMonkey> gnuts, see my response above
[20:15] <gnuts> i cant my irc client doesnt support that
[20:15] <gnuts> it was something about pulse audio
[20:16] <SafariMonkey> gnuts, in case that was an offer to help: I'm having a hard time getting recording to work through pavucontrol. I've tried VSXu (the one I'm trying to get working), audacity, sound recorder... recording doesn't work. Changing playback settings works though.
[20:16] <SafariMonkey> reposted
[20:16] <gnuts> what os ya use?
[20:16] <Mohi> ryanmoon, Goto bios -> boot and you will find the option of secure boot as enabled. You can disable that. Please read the above link too
[20:16] <SafariMonkey> 12.04
[20:16] <gnuts> me too
[20:16] <gnuts> madbox 12.04
[20:16] <ryanmoon> i cannot find
[20:16] <gnuts> ok
[20:16] <gnuts> send me a screenshot of the pavucontrol window please
[20:17] <SafariMonkey> sorry, straight ubuntu 12.04, gnuts
[20:17] <gnuts> what?
[20:17] <Mohi> ryanmoon, your laptop model?
[20:17] <gnuts> i just said im using adbox
[20:17] <gnuts> madbx
[20:17] <ryanmoon> Fujitsu Lifebook AH512
[20:17] <gnuts> screenshot?
[20:18] <eflynn> does anyone have advice on installing ubuntu on a mac?
[20:18] <thico> tem alguém que fala português?
[20:18] <gnuts> use bootcamp
[20:18] <eflynn> gnuts: bootcamp assistant?
[20:18] <TJ-> !pt  | thico
[20:19] <SafariMonkey> gnuts, http://i.imgur.com/x2Xr5fy.png?1
[20:19] <thico> !pt
[20:19] <Mohi> ryanmoon, gimme a minute.. I might reply late
[20:19] <ryanmoon> ok
[20:19] <Beldar> !mac | eflynn
[20:19] <thico> thanks ubottu
[20:19] <Beldar> !pt | thico
[20:20] <ROPA> [Ethos] No good.......the chown and chmod commands run without errors, but only on the root folder, the command does not change any of the subfolders.......it's as though the '-R' is being ignored.
[20:20] <SafariMonkey> Beldar, por favor, check if it's been posted already.
[20:21] <gnuts> so?
[20:21] <SafariMonkey> gnuts, http://i.imgur.com/x2Xr5fy.png?1
[20:21] <SafariMonkey> I sent it earlier
[20:21] <gnuts> thanks
[20:22] <ryanmoon> Mohi
[20:22] <Mohi> ryanmoon, please find the thread 2171114 in Ubuntu forums
[20:23] <gnuts> i dont know to be honest
[20:23] <Fnet> 100 per cent = 140 per cent?
[20:23] <gnuts> need someone more knowledgable on sound in linux
[20:23] <Mohi> Old Fred suggested to do the boot repair.. Sorry i couldn't post the complete url
[20:23] <ryanmoon> how do i do that?
[20:23] <CrazyZurfer> Need some help... When going to an specific folder with nemo it crashes... when I go with terminal to parent folder, in 'ls' the folder appears in blue but with green background, what's going on?
[20:24] <Beldar> Mohi, There is no install yet bootrepair would only be used than if needed
[20:24] <TJ-> ROPA: what are you trying to do? directories will need +x permission in order to descend into them
[20:24] <ryanmoon> Mohi
[20:25] <Mohi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2171114
[20:25] <TJ-> ROPA: e.g. "sudo find /media/MyUSB -type d -exec chmod a+x {} \; "
[20:25] <ROPA> TJ- ok, I have some folders (actaully all the folders) on a usb drive that can't be accessed.............
[20:26] <Mohi> Beldar, yes.. Old Fred's signature had a link having tips.. I was reading and replying
[20:27] <ROPA> I changed the chmod and chown (with the -R), but the commands seem to be working only on the root directory of the drive.....none of the sub folders have chown and chmod changes.
[20:27] <Mohi>  ryanmoon, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2171114 and also read the thread in old fred's signature
[20:28] <ROPA> TJ- you lost me......
[20:28] <fatBuddha> Ubuntu lost its edge
[20:29] <Beldar> Mohi, Yeah an excellent link, I gave it to them earlier directly. This user seems willing to try anything without having any backups....so I'm a bit concerned is all. ;)
[20:29] <TJ-> ROPA: That command will find all directories (type -d) below /media/MyUSB and execute the command "chmod a+x " on each directory, making it navigable
[20:29] <ypaq> Beldar: yes, i did try admin as username for the first user. the installation won't let me proceed unless i choose a different name
[20:29] <Arceye> help me with dual monitor setup, Ubuntu option allows multi monitor with desktop spread over 2 monitors, Gnome , KDE, XFCE and xubuntu don't , they are all on the same box so why does one work and the others not ?
[20:29] <ROPA> my drive is labelled 'Slave', the did the following commands.....  sudo chown ofourdaily:ofourdaily -R Slave and sudo chmod -R 666 Slave....but the sub folders of the root directory are unchanged.
[20:30] <Mohi> Awww.. ryanmoon, please do take backups. A single mistake might make you lose all your data. Beldar is correct..!! Never instal before creating a backup
[20:31] <Beldar> ypaq, Ah, not sure why exactly, I have to assume you are doing it correctly, it may just not be possible to use that name.
[20:31] <ROPA> TJ- ok, that sounds like it might be my issue.....I ASSUMED the -R would automatically find and change all folders!!!!
[20:32] <ROPA> TJ- TY TJ, I'll have a crack at it.
[20:32] <TJ-> ROPA: But '666' is a+rw ... not 'x'
[20:33] <ypaq> Beldar: the reason is this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=450954
[20:33] <TJ-> ROPA:  and you want +x on directories only, +rw on other files
[20:33] <ypaq> Beldar: i'm wondering if there is a way around it :)
[20:33] <genii> I'm not sure that could be considered as a bug
[20:33] <TJ-> ROPA: Once you'd corrected the directories, you can then do the same on the files since find can navigate: "sudo find /media/MyUSB -type f -exec chmod a+rw {} \; "
[20:34] <Beldar> ypaq, Seems from that bug report on etch at least you can change it after install, however changing a user name would be the last thing I would do. Getting around it never seen that here, the web is probably your best bet.
[20:35] <ROPA> TJ- ok, I think the files are ok....if I select the 'correct this problem' button, the files in that particular folder are readable.....
[20:35] <belkinsa> How to install locales back onto Ubuntu 13.10?
[20:36] <ROPA> TJ- ty again TJ-much appreciated.
[20:36] <ypaq> Beldar: yeah.. web didn't help much which is why i came here. but thanks for looking into this
[20:36] <fatBuddha> ypaq: You Montrose
[20:37] <ypaq> fatBuddha: wat?
[20:37] <Beldar> ypaq, seems like a mess really, you could do a variation maybe like admin1?
[20:37] <TJ-> ypaq: If you want to remove "admin" from the reserved names, you can do it manually whilst the installer is running from another terminal by editing, in the target chroot, "/usr/lib/user-setup/reserved-usernames"
[20:37] <Beldar> or admeeeen hehe many options
[20:38] <fatBuddha> TJ-: bad idea
[20:39] <Maurice_la_sauci> Hello, I would like my Claws Mail launching at startup, what's the command I have to put?
[20:39] <davyde> hi guys! how can i know if someone has used my pc with guest session?
[20:39] <fatBuddha> davyde: yes
[20:39] <davyde> fatBuddha, how? can i know also how long he used it?
[20:40] <skinux> Ubuntu has been saying SWAP disk (partition) is not yet ready or present. How exactly do I fix this
[20:41] <hitsujiTMO> davyde: auth.log would prob have an entry for it (guessing hereO
[20:41] <xauth> davyde: last
[20:41] <fatBuddha> davyde: check th dict log
[20:42] <Magiobiwan> What's the linux device name for a tuner card's audio component?
[20:42] <Magiobiwan> I know the video is /dev/video#
[20:42] <Magiobiwan> But I'm trying to find the audio too
[20:42] <ssl_> i've installed ubuntu on my beaglebone black and want to get a graphical desktop (currently only terminal and ssh). i've issued apt-get install lxde-core, but it doesn't seem to auto-start on boot. do i have to install some other package? i've read about lightdm, but don't know how they all work together.
[20:43] <witheld1> ssl_: you can probably just install lightdm
[20:43] <fatBuddha> witheld1: Not good idea
[20:43] <ypaq> fatBuddha: just called the n-word in private chat
[20:44] <witheld1> fatBuddha: ?
[20:44] <ssl_> fatBuddha: why?
[20:44] <ypaq> anyway... i'm out of here..
[20:44] <fatBuddha> ypaq: what's a n word.
[20:44] <ikonia> fatBuddha: could you please join #ubuntu-ops
[20:44] <witheld1> There's no reason, I've dealt with lightdm before, you just install it
[20:45] <fatBuddha> ikonia: what
[20:45] <ssl_> witheld1: ok ill just try
[20:45] <ikonia> fatBuddha: could you please join the channel #ubuntu-ops
[20:45] <ikonia> (for a moment)
[20:45] <fatBuddha> ikonia: You have no right
[20:46] <mkander> Hi, anyone knows a way to move directories between servers automatically from cron? I know rsync can delete source files, but not directories, and that creates a mess..
[20:47] <jhutchins> mkander: If our rsync returns success, run another script that deletes things.
[20:48] <ROPA> TJ- that did it, there were hundreds of folders on the drive and all of them have files that can be accessed now!!!!!!! AGAIN, MANY MANY THANKS!!!!
[20:48] <ssl_> witheld1: wtf, it wants to install 558 new packages! i thought it was _light_dm!
[20:49] <TJ-> ROPA: :)
[20:49] <mkander> jhutchins: Hmm just not sure how to do that =P
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: what wants to install 558 packages?
[20:49] <ssl_> apt-get install lightdm
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: sudo apt-get install lightdm --no-install-recommends
[20:50] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: thanks ill try this
[20:50] <ssl_> ha, now it's 3 packages, thanks!
[20:51] <mkander> jhutchins: Maybe I can just run this in cron: find source/ -d -type d -exec rmdir {} \;
[20:51] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: you'll prob have to install a greeter theme too, but thats enough to get you startd
[20:52] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: unless you're doing auto login that is
[20:52] <natural> hi, why does my desktop env go black for a few secs every once in a while? the mounse stays on screen and i can interface, but the DE goes black. any clues?
[20:52] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: well, i actually need auto-login
[20:53] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: but after reboot, i still have no desktop :(
[20:53] <davyde> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6933428/
[20:53] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: what xsession are you isng?
[20:53] <hitsujiTMO> using*
[20:54] <davyde> only reboot ........ how can i read this?
[20:54] <davyde> xauth, do you know?
[20:55] <xauth> davyde: Nope, I expected login sessions to show up in there.
[20:55] <ggreer> I have a lenovo x140e. I made a usb installer for 13.04. I can boot off it and verify the image. I can boot the installer. but if I select "try ubuntu" in the boot menu, X segfaults :(
[20:55] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: i dont know. how can i find out?
[20:55] <ggreer> and I'd really like to run the try ubuntu thing so I can use gparted to resize some partitions
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: have you installed a desktop environent?
[20:55] <Beldar> ggreer, 13.04 is eol use 13.10 or 12.04.4
[20:55] <ggreer> because the partitioning tool in the installer won't do that
[20:55] <ssl_> yes, lxde
[20:55] <ggreer> err sorry I meant 13.10
[20:55] <ggreer> the latest
[20:55] <davyde> xauth, maybe because i use fingerprint to log in instead of password?
[20:56] <Beldar> ggreer, Cool, have you checked the sum of the iso download?
[20:56] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: whats the output of: ls -l /usr/share/xsessions/
[20:56] <xauth> Not knowing about fingerprints, I say it shouldn't make a difference.
[20:56] <ggreer> I did. the first time it didn't verify and I had to re-download
[20:56] <ggreer> apparently my wifi on windows died in the middle and the download aborted
[20:57] <tr3y> I have kind of a noob question for you guys. I'm just now starting to use ubuntu and it seems awesome, but I'm confused as to how an open source operating system can be secure. Couldn't a good programmer look at the code and find the vulnerabilities and easily attack the users?
[20:57] <ggreer> anyway the second time the md5sum verified
[20:57] <ssl_> LXDE.desktop  openbox.desktop  openbox-gnome.desktop  openbox-kde.desktop
[20:57] <bekks> tr3y: Other programmers would look on the same code and make it even more secure.
[20:57] <ggreer> the most annoying bit is that I can switch to a terminal in the installer and execute gparted, but it complains that there's no X display available
[20:58] <Beldar> ggreer, This computer is certified, http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201309-14195/
[20:58] <xauth> tr3y: thus improving the program. The closed source program keeps its bugs.
[20:58] <ggreer> Beldar: yeah. that's why I bought it
[20:58] <ggreer> to replace my aging netbook from 2008
[20:58] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: ok so: sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf                    under [SeatDefaults]       add the line: user-session=LXDE
[20:58] <tr3y> I see... so basically since it's open source it's also easier for the "good hackers" to keep it safe
[20:58] <ggreer> if I could tell gparted to target the currently open display on /dev/ttys7 or whatever, I'd be set
[20:58] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: if [SeatDefaults] doesn't exist, just add it in
[20:58]  * xauth nods.
[20:59] <ssl_> the file lightdm.conf does not exist
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: then just create it
[20:59] <ggreer> btw the x140e came with windows 8. that was my first experience with windows since XP. holy cow is it bad
[20:59] <ssl_> ok
[20:59] <EsoRotica> Hello, I'm trying to change out the Firmware on a Dell XPS L501X and I'm running out of things to try. Anyone think they can point me in the right direction?
[20:59] <Beldar> ggreer, So this is a dualboot with W8?
[21:00] <ggreer> Beldar: that's the plan. I do need windows to test some stuff for customers. I've resized the windows partitions and everything. I just wanted to move the recovery partition to the beginning of the free space
[21:01] <ggreer> IIRC, gparted will let me do that. the existing partition tool only lets me create/delete partitions
[21:01] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: should have those 2 files... you also just add: autologin-user=ssl_                to auto login the user ssl_
[21:01] <Beldar> ggreer, Just for a test have you tried a nomodeset boot?
[21:01] <hitsujiTMO> s/files/lines
[21:01] <ggreer> I have not. just a sec
[21:01] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: may i convo you?
[21:01] <Magiobiwan> So, I'm trying to use ffmpeg/avconv to transcode video from a TV tuner card into an rtmp stream. The video device is /dev/video0 for input, but I need to know the audio input device to use for the stream as well. On "arecord -l" the tuner card is Card 1
[21:01] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: just keep it to the main chat. i have pms disabled
[21:02] <Magiobiwan> What would the device name be for it?
[21:02] <ssl_> ok then. i added that user-session line to lightdm.conf (which i created myself) but still no desktop
[21:02] <AmbiguousOutlier> COMRESET failed (errno=16)
[21:02] <Pici> Magiobiwan: take a look at the output of sudo lshw | less, it should help you identify the device name(s)
[21:03] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: can you pastebin the contents of ~/.xsession-errors
[21:03] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: there is no such file
[21:03] <EsoRotica> Does anyone have experience with updating Dell BIOS firmware? I've followed almost every instruction within https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS but still cant get this thing going. Any pointers? Model Dell XPS L501X
[21:04] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: should be there. its a hidden file
[21:04] <AmbiguousOutlier> i think my hdd is bad, what command line tools are there to test?
[21:04] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: sorry, it's not there. i used ls -la
[21:05] <TJ-> ssl_: hitsujiTMO There might be something in "/var/log/lightdm/"
[21:05] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: what about: ~/.dmrc
[21:05] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: i presume you restarted lightdm after editing lightdm.conf right?
[21:06] <Magiobiwan> Pici, I don't see the device name in there. avconv takes the device input as -i /dev/device
[21:06] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: i rebooted
[21:06] <Magiobiwan> So, /dev/video0 for video. I need to find the audio device too... It does not appear to come with /dev/video0
[21:06] <ggreer> Beldar: different error. I get the normal splash screen, then a black screen forever. dmesg shows failsafe-x terminated with status 1 :(
[21:06] <ggreer> I don't see anything in /var/log/syslog though
[21:06] <ggreer> hmm
[21:06] <ggreer> black screen with no mouse cursor or anything
[21:07] <ssl_> TJ-: there is a log file with errors, ill paste-bin them
[21:07] <Beldar> ggreer, How did you load the usb?
[21:07] <ggreer> uunetbootin
[21:07] <ggreer> or did you mean how did I boot it?
[21:07] <ggreer> (f12, select usb drive and hit enter)
[21:07] <ssl_> TJ-, hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6933487/
[21:08] <ggreer> and the usb installer self-verifies just fine
[21:08] <ggreer> such a weird error
[21:08] <Beldar> ggreer, I'm not sure what is going on, sidnce you have resized windows I can assume you are on the right track. If it were me I would try another installer, but I have several at hand. Maybe look on askubuntu.
[21:08] <Beldar> since*
[21:08] <ggreer> ok. thank you for your help
[21:08] <ggreer> it was a noble effort
[21:09] <Beldar> ggreer, I rather not waste your time. ;)
[21:09] <ggreer> oh. if I run startx, it says, "drm report modesetting isn't supported" a bunch
[21:09] <ggreer> hmm
[21:09] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: can you pastebin /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[21:10] <ssl_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6933500/
[21:10] <ggreer> yesss google shows people with similar errors on AMD/ATI cards
[21:10] <daftykins> ggreer: someone's told you to try nomodeset already i take it?
[21:10] <ggreer> yep
[21:11] <daftykins> good stuff
[21:11] <ggreer> weird that this laptop can be bought with ubuntu preinstalled, but installing ubuntu is no simple task
[21:11] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: remove the whitespace before user-session-...
[21:11] <ggreer> well, lenovo has a press release saying it can have ubuntu preinstalled, but I couldn't actually find any place where I could order it with ubuntu. my only choices were windows 8 or... windows 8
[21:12] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: is it that you are not getting a login prompt, or no DE?
[21:13] <TJ-> ggreer: Any chance you can capture the segfault as a photo?
[21:13] <daftykins> ggreer: i suspect you're running into some UEFI fun there
[21:13] <genii> !oh > genii
[21:13] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: still no desktop. yes i see a login promt on the screen, but only text-mode
[21:14] <TJ-> ssl_: You do have lightdm configured to start by upstart (/etc/init/lightdm.conf) ?
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: ok. add the line: autologin-user=<insert username here>                    to lightdm.conf
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: i think its just that there's no greeter so it's dying
[21:16] <ssl_> TJ-: not intentionally. just installed it with apt-get. i just pasted my lightdm.conf above
[21:16] <mojtaba> I have Thunderbird 24.2.0 and it just suddenly closed without any errors. Does anybody know what should I do?
[21:16] <Matriks404> run from terminal
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_:also add your user to the group nopasswdlogin
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: then restart lightdm again, if it still doesn't work we'll install a greeter
[21:17] <EsoRotica> Does anyone have experience with updating Dell BIOS firmware? I've followed almost every instruction within https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS but still cant get this thing going. Any pointers? Model Dell XPS L501X
[21:18] <Medo> Hello
[21:18] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: nothing. lightdm.log has the same contents as i pasted before.
[21:19] <Medo> hi
[21:19] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: sudo apt-get install lightdm-gtk-greeter
[21:19] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: then reboot once more
[21:19] <Bashing-om> Medo: Hello .
[21:19] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: ssl_ "sudo apt-get install lightdm --no-install-recommends" ... infers that this didn't happen: "Recommends: xserver-xorg, unity-greeter | lightdm-greeter | lightdm-kde-greeter"
[21:20] <Medo> hi Bashing :)
[21:20] <Medo> i wanna ask someone about my ubuntu
[21:20] <Bashing-om> Medo: Ask !
[21:20] <ssl_> TJ-, hitsujiTMO: ok, installing the lightdm-gtk-greeter
[21:20] <Medo> my ubuntu its 9.10
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> Medo: you need to upgrade
[21:21] <Medo> and i got many errors and i think the default file manager is killed
[21:21] <Matriks404> Medo: Your ubuntu is End Of Life (EOL)
[21:21] <LeMike> Hm. Did anyone notice a speed increase after installing the microcode via synaptics? it just enabled PEBS but I don't know what it's good for :/
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> !eol | Medo
[21:21] <Medo> i know that
[21:21] <Bashing-om> Medo: 1st, way past End Of Life, and no longer enjoys support !
[21:21] <ggreer> daftykins: that is a possibility. I disabled secureboot but there's no bios emulation mode
[21:22] <Medo> i know that
[21:22] <Medo> now i cannot login my ubuntu
[21:22] <ggreer> TJ-: let me play around with some other settings. I'll take a picture eventually
[21:22] <LeMike> neither via another pts Medo ?
[21:22] <Medo> what is pts ??
[21:23] <Bashing-om> Medo: To upgrade from release 9.10 -- the recommended thing is a clean install of a current version.
[21:23] <Beldar> Medo, Can you backup what is important from a live cd and reinstall, do you have a separate home?
[21:23] <LeMike> ctrl+alt+f4 - there is one Medo  ;)
[21:23] <Medo> no i cant
[21:23] <Medo> no i dont
[21:24] <Medo> i search for something about that
[21:24] <Beldar> !who | med_
[21:24] <Medo> and i found somehow to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04
[21:24] <Beldar> !who | Medo
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[21:25] <Beldar> Medo, Theoretically you could upgrade to 10.04 to 12.04 if done correctly, however no backups is problematic.
[21:25] <mojtaba> I have Thunderbird 24.2.0 and it just suddenly closed without any errors. Does anybody know what should I do?
[21:26] <Medo> how to send to private name :\
[21:26] <Beldar> mojtaba, One time? does it work now?
[21:26] <Matriks404> mojtaba: have you tried to run it from terminal and see if it produce any errors?
[21:26] <Beldar> Medo, you can tab complete nicks, most do not like pm's better to keep things in the channel.
[21:27] <mojtaba> Beldar: No, more than once
[21:27] <mojtaba> Matriks404: I will check that
[21:27] <Beldar> mojtaba, running from the terminal as suggested is a good start for errors.
[21:27] <Medo> feeling like and idiot :\
[21:27] <mojtaba> Beldar: I will do that for sure
[21:28] <Medo> i couldnt send to someone as ubottu said
[21:28] <TJ-> mojtaba: "thunderbird -safe-mode" if it still has issues, that will disable extensions that may be causing issues
[21:29] <mojtaba> TJ-: ok, thanks
[21:30] <Medo> @Beldar test
[21:30] <Medo> wrong :\
[21:31] <ssl_> TJ-, hitsujiTMO: looks like i need to install xserver: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6933612/
[21:31] <Beldar> Medo, type beld than hit the tab key to complete
[21:31] <Medo> beld test
[21:31] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: ahh, you don't even have that installed? ok. sudo apt-get install xorg
[21:31] <Medo> nothing happened
[21:31] <Beldar> some nicks more or less letters to start the tab complete Medo
[21:32] <Medo> Beldar Medo  test
[21:32] <Beldar> Medo, that looks good.
[21:32] <Medo> Beldar i think it works
[21:33] <TJ-> ssl_: :D That's what happens when you ignore recommends
[21:34] <ggreer> heh
[21:35] <ssl_> TJ-: yes :)
[21:38] <ggreer> haha, I booted the installer, then ran sudo DISPLAY=':0' gparted
[21:38] <ggreer> and that opened gparted in the working X session
[21:38] <ssl_> TJ-, hitsujiTMO: ok it's working now. i can see a graphical login promt. now i want to auto-login the user "ubuntu"
[21:39] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_:add ubuntu to the group nopasswdlogin
[21:40] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: and in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf add the line: autologin-user=ubuntu
[21:40] <ssl_> ok
[21:41] <Kalendoros>  /server irc.abjects.net
[21:43] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: guess what: didn't work :D
[21:46] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: o.O   pastebin the contents of /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log again please
[21:49] <beingHuman> Can anyone suggest for my kernel upgrade on Ubuntu 12.04?
[21:50] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6933698/
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> beingHuman: why do you need a kernel upgrade?
[21:50] <daftykins> ggreer: for what it's worth you can't really do anything with the recovery partitions at the end of a GPT drive, that's part of the spec to work with EFI
[21:50] <beingHuman> hitsujiTMO: Is it not preferable ?? I have no reason, I just gave it a thought.
[21:50] <LeMike> Can someone help Medo with logging in? Seems like his lightdm crashes and restarts every time after login. but I am not sure and it's out of my skills. Please show him where to find the error-log to it (because this shouldn't be encrypted like the home folder :P )
[21:51] <ggreer> daftykins: well... my plan is to move this whole mess onto a 160GB SSD eventually
[21:51] <LeMike> In particular i am hoping for Beldar again ;)
[21:51] <hitsujiTMO> beingHuman: you should only need to upgrade the kernel if you need it for hardware support or something else it may support. if you don't need anything then there's absolutely no need to upgrade
[21:52] <ggreer> it's a 500GB HDD and that's no fun
[21:52] <beingHuman> hitsujiTMO: OKay, thanks for the help :)
[21:53] <Beldar> LeMike, I have no idea on the login problem.
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: can you once again pastebin your /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[21:53] <daftykins> ggreer: was it a Lenovo did you say?
[21:53] <ggreer> yeah. x140e
[21:54] <daftykins> ggreer: one i dealt with a bit ago had a field called "Boot Mode" which could be changed from UEFI -> Legacy
[21:54] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6933716/
[21:54] <LeMike> It's not bad credentials Beldar . It's like lightdm crashing or a startup application coming in and logout again. As I don't know where to find the error.log for that I hope you or someone else here would.
[21:54] <ggreer> won't that break the windows partition?
[21:54]  * ggreer checks again in bios settings
[21:54] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: oh wait! i rebooted again and it's working now!
[21:55] <Medo> that is why i think about offline upgrade using cd Beldar
[21:55] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: ahh lol
[21:55] <ssl_> hitsujiTMO: thank you!
[21:55] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: np
[21:55] <daftykins> ggreer: oh yeah, just making you aware
[21:55] <ggreer> ah
[21:57] <Beldar> Medo, My recommendation so just we are clear would be a backup of important stuff than a fresh install, I was only supporting other theoretical options.
[21:57] <daftykins> ggreer: a new ubuntu like 13.10 should boot in UEFI mode properly on something like that and install beside 8 :)
[21:58] <Medo> Beldar my home folder in encrypted  ;\
[21:59] <Beldar> Medo, Ah, not a clue here than.
[21:59] <grimeton> looks like ubuntu is now in the soda business too http://imgur.com/yEvxRPB
[22:00] <Medo> and that mean ??
[22:00] <daftykins> grimeton: nothing new.
[22:06] <Medo> Beldar : look at that topic https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades#Upgrading%20Using%20the%20Alternate%20CD/DVD
[22:08] <Beldar> Medo, I only have one recommendation, however in your situation (having no login) I'm not sure of an answer to get there in a eol with a encrypted home, a bit of a conundrum to be honest, at least for me. ;)
[22:09] <Medo> Beldar OMG :D :D
[22:10] <Medo> Beldar i made an cd with 11.04 and when i try to install it it says install it side by side with 9.10 and that is wrong cause its not solution
[22:10] <Medo> Beldar i wana reach my files there
[22:10] <Beldar> Medo, I have never encrypted so I have no answer for that.
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO> Medo: burn a 12.04 cd, boot that to "try ubuntu" and you'll be able to get your files with that
[22:11] <dlam> hmm when i do `iptables -L -v`   the second column indicates 'bytes':  when does that value start at? or get reset?
[22:11] <dlam> (presumably bytes from that host/ip address i think)
[22:11] <EsoRotica> Does anyone have experience with updating Dell BIOS firmware? I've followed almost every instruction within https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS but still cant get this thing going. Any pointers? Model Dell XPS L501X
[22:12] <Jordan_U> Medo: Boot from an Ubuntu 12.04 or newer LiveCD and use http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html to access and backup your files.
[22:12] <Beldar> EsoRotica, Do you have a windows install?
[22:12] <EsoRotica> Nope
[22:12] <Medo> hitsujiTMO i try but i couldnt
[22:12] <Beldar> EsoRotica, Have you checked if the bios upgrade is available with a boot iso?
[22:12] <EsoRotica> Beldar: I tried using Hirens to get Mini XP running, but after disabling HAL it wont boot
[22:13] <EsoRotica> Beldar: They are not offering it on the Dell website, if thats the question. I've been looking for some time now.
[22:13] <Beldar> EsoRotica, What makes you need this upgrade, just curious.
[22:13] <TJ-> Es0teric: I've used that procedure for updating XPSes
[22:13] <Es0teric> TJ- say what?
[22:13] <Medo> Jordan_u failed to copy my home folder its encrypted
[22:14] <EsoRotica> Beldar: I'm attempting to do a few things #1 ACPI problems relating to Brightness, etc #2: Install a scansnap printer.  Most of the help docs I have seen mentioned the a08 firmware
[22:14] <TJ-> Es0teric: Creating the FreeDos disk with the update BIOS, booting it, upgrading, etc
[22:14] <EsoRotica> TJ -> This program can not be run from the DOS environment :(
[22:14] <TJ-> EsoRotica: What is "this" ?
[22:15] <EsoRotica> L501X_a08.exe   the download package
[22:15] <EsoRotica> http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/driverdetails?driverid=R309739
[22:15] <Jordan_U> Medo: Did you follow the instructions at the page I linked to?
[22:16] <Medo> Jordan_u nautilus is dead at my installed ubuntu
[22:17] <Jordan_U> Medo: I gave you specific directions, please try to follow them. Do you want me to repeat the directions I gave?
[22:17] <EsoRotica> TJ-:  I would like to Edify that that is the error DOS returns.
[22:18] <Jordan_U> Medo: Or was there anything about my directions that you didn't understand?
[22:19] <Medo> Jordan_u i already have ubuntu 9.10 on usb and 11.04 on cd i boot to my broken ubuntu and i failed to reach my home and when i try to remove protection i couldnt
[22:20] <TJ-> Es0teric: It looks like Dell have messed up. That file, despite what they say, is a Windows portable executable, not a combined DOS/PE file
[22:21] <EsoRotica> TJ-:  Thanks for that. I will attempt to use A07
[22:21] <Es0teric> TJ- i dont think its me that was talking to you about that… it was probably EsoRotica lol
[22:21] <Jordan_U> Medo: Download Ubuntu 12.04 or newer, burn the image to a DVD or use a tool to make a bootable USB from it. You need to use Ubuntu 12.04 or newer. Once you're booted into the Ubuntu 12.04 or newer CD/USB, follow http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html . Do you understand?
[22:22] <Medo> Jordan_u yes i will give it try
[22:23] <TJ-> Es0teric: OK, I've extracted it using WINE ... got the BIOS file. It is using Winphlash to install it, there's a DOS alternative to that (Phoenix Flash)
[22:24] <EsoRotica> TJ-:  do you mean the A08 or 07 version?
[22:24] <TJ-> EsoRotica: A08
[22:24] <EsoRotica> What wine command are you using please?
[22:25] <EsoRotica> TJ-:  I'm seeing it at the bottom of the page. Thanks
[22:27] <TJ-> EsoRotica: "wine ~/Downloads/L501X_A08.exe" ... then when it pops up a crash dialog, switch to another terminal and you can do "ls -l ~/.wine/drive_c/users/$USER/Temp//WinPhlash/*" and you'll see BIOS1.WPH which is the BIOS image file
[22:27] <jNNs> Hi i installed ubuntu but i can't choose to boot win 7 or ubuntu. It instantly starts win 7
[22:28] <unsecur3d> which one did you installed first ?
[22:28] <jNNs> win 7
[22:28] <unsecur3d> did you installed the linux bootloader when asked if you wanted to do so ?
[22:28] <Garry0io> gfghfg
[22:28] <Garry0io> hjghjg
[22:28] <jNNs> i installed ofc
[22:29] <unsecur3d> whats that
[22:29] <jNNs> of course
[22:29] <jNNs> xD
[22:29] <jNNs> i installed the bootloader
[22:30] <adah> What's the other Ubuntu channel?
[22:30] <unsecur3d> doesnt seem like you did, its still using the windows loader to locate the OS which only obviously picks up Windows versions
[22:30] <jNNs> and now?
[22:30] <unsecur3d> u might need to re-boot from the install cd and go into rescue mode and reinstall the boot loader
[22:31] <adah> Can anyone tell me what the other Ubuntu channels are?
[22:31] <EsoRotica> adah: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[22:32] <MonkeyDust> adah  type /msg alis list *ubuntu*   <-- woth the asterisks
[22:32] <MonkeyDust> with*
[22:32] <adah> yesh *with
[22:32] <adah> oops *yes
[22:33] <EsoRotica> TJ-: I'm still working on getting winphlash, but do I need to change the extension from rom to WPH or make another conversion?
[22:34] <jNNs> @unsecur3d i wrote a pm to you.
[22:35] <TJ-> EsoRotica: The extension might be forced, I can't remember now.
[22:35] <unsecur3d> jNNs, only refer to me in the channel please
[22:35] <unsecur3d> :P
[22:35] <EsoRotica> Thanks, Almost there TJ-
 i've done sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
 sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
 sudo mount - o bind /sys /mnt/sys
 sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc
 and
 sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
 grub-install /dev/sda
 update-grub
 exit
 restarting
 still win
[22:35] <jNNs> this is what i wrote
[22:36] <rsyring> I want to install saucy on a macbook pro with btrfs and full encryption.  I don't get the option in the installer b/c of the installer detects the Mac partition.  Can someone point me to a guide on how to do this manually?
[22:36] <rsyring> I'm comfortable setting up the partitions, but not sure how encryption fits into things when doing it manually.
[22:36] <Arcanis_> Hello. Got a weird issue. Running Ubuntu 13.10. Wanted to try out gnome. Installed it and then on the login screen, my mouse cursor is invisible. I googled all over and there was a "fix" using: gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false, but that didn't do anything for me.
[22:36] <EsoRotica> TJ there appears to be a winphlash.exe in the extraced folder, think its the winphlash16.exe I'm looking for then?
[22:37] <TJ-> EsoRotica: I think the "win" prefix infers those are the Windows utils, they won't run from DOS
[22:38] <TJ-> EsoRotica: If you can hang on a few minutes, I can see if I can slipstream your BIOS into the DOS installer I used for mine
[22:38] <jNNs> you read it unsecur3d?
[22:39] <EsoRotica> I'll hold, looking for an alternative as well. Thanks Boss.
[22:40] <jNNs> Hi i installed ubuntu but i can't choose to boot win 7 or ubuntu. It instantly starts win 7
[22:41] <Arcanis_> jNNs, do you have several HDD's? Did you choose to install grub on a different one? What is your bios boot option?
[22:42] <awwyissssss> @jNNs http://askubuntu.com/questions/87409/i-cant-get-grub-menu-to-show-up-during-boot
[22:42] <jNNs> I only have one hdd
[22:43] <TJ-> EsoRotica: No, that won't work. The DOS installer is hard-coded for the BIOS/machine version. I also just looked at your A07, and it also only a Windows executable. Let me look in my Phoenix BIOS tools projects
[22:43] <jNNs> my boot option is the one hdd i go
[22:43] <jNNs> t
[22:43] <EsoRotica> TJ-: I was just going in that direction (a07).
[22:44] <TJ-> Eso, OK, I see the DOS-based version in my files, let me zip it up and put it where you can get it
[22:44] <jNNs> So @Arcanis_ what should i do now?
[22:45] <Arcanis_> @jNNS: http://askubuntu.com/questions/87409/i-cant-get-grub-menu-to-show-up-during-boot
[22:46] <jNNs> where i have to write GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 ?
[22:46] <ph8> hey all, i just wiped out my ubuntu partition from windows disk management - i've now realised the scope of my error, is this going to cause horrible issues with no GRUB during boot? Does anyone know how i can flash the windows bootloader while i'm still in Windows (i haven't restarted yet)
[22:46] <jNNs> i'm a fully newbie
[22:46] <ph8> I've seen lots of stuff about windows install CDs but if i can avoid it that would be cool
[22:47] <EsoRotica> TJ-: This is my first attempt to get a windows user to convert by just sticking it to them. Unfortunately he is having other problems he blames on buntu, but the machine screams otherwise.
[22:47] <Arcanis_> @jNNS, uhhh I'm only kind of experienced myself. You need to access the partition you installed ubuntu on. Navigate to the directory: /etc/default/grub/ and open grub.cfg in a text editor.
[22:48] <skinkitten> glitsj16, \o
[22:48] <Arcanis_> Well in any case... can anyone help me with my issue?
[22:49] <TJ-> EsoRotica: :) If you follow most of the guide at [1] and then use [2] to create the bootable image instead of Dell's biosdisk, you'll be ready to download the file I'm preparing. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DellBIOS [2] http://www.freedos.org/
[22:50] <glitsj16> skinkitten: o/ .. forgive my bad memory, who's greeting?
[22:50] <TJ-> EsoRotica: Here it is: http://iam.tj/projects/misc/phlash.tar.gz
[22:51] <TJ-> EsoRotica: If you combine those, with the BIOS image snatched from the wine extraction I showed earlier, you'll have everything you need.
[22:51] <skinkitten> canon pixma mg2520 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204685&page=2&p=12929239#post12929239
[22:51] <glitsj16> skinkitten: hello :)
[22:52] <glitsj16> skinkitten: i saw the post about the gutenprint, let me refresh what else is on the post
[22:52] <pipegeek> Rory: hiya :)  just fyi, it was an fstab issue.  Though when it was solved there was another issue: ec2-bundle-vol excludes all .pem files throughout the filesystem, as well as all .gpg files.  Which is asinine.  You can reinclude them individually but reincluding everything in /etc/ssl/certs overflows the maximum command line length.  So, I patched ec2-bundle-vol :P
[22:52] <ssl_> i got an display issue with my lxde, but i think its root is much deeper, like in the X server. the colors are strangely inverted (blue looks yellowish) and also some pixels are shifted one to the right, depending on the color they show. any ideas whats wrong here?
[22:53] <aPpYe> I am running KDE, built from ubuntu mini.  It is connected to a TV via HDMI.  Whenever the TV is turned off, it ceases all communication with the computer, so the computer seems to think the "monitor" has been unplugged.
[22:53] <aPpYe> This causes some programs to behave badly, since (i am guessing) there are no longer any X screens to output to.  For example, transmission-qt segfaults once the tv is powered off.  This only happens with this specific TV … Anyone know a workaround?
[22:54] <adah> Can someone say in three words or less why Debian is better than any other *nix distro?
[22:54] <aPpYe> debian has apt
[22:54] <EsoRotica> OKay looking now TJ- Thanks for the support, Had to take a call.
[22:54] <skinkitten> glitsj16, going down a trail of extracting the driver from a windows driver file, hopefully this has been done before and I don't hit a dead end
[22:55] <adah> sorry i meant to say why Ubuntu is better than any other *nix distro
[22:55] <glitsj16> skinkitten: what are you trying to install now exactly?
[22:56] <Arcanis_> adah: Ease of use.
[22:57] <adah> Arcanis best answer I've seen all day
[22:58] <Arcanis_> adah: Glad to help.
[22:58] <bekks> adah: Ubuntu is Linux, *NIX is not Linux.
[22:58] <EsoRotica> Arcanis_, adah   : I'd go with pick your package manager and forget about "best"
[22:59] <adah> So what is the best package manager?
[22:59] <EsoRotica> I prefer apt :D
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> !best | adah
[22:59] <glitsj16> skinkitten: you are on ubuntu 12.04 yes? if you want the gutenprint 5.2.9 there's an easier and probably more reliable way .. the forum thread also mentions gutenprint 5.2.10 so not sure..
[22:59] <Arcanis_> I;ve only used apt.
[22:59] <adah> Okay what I'm trying to do is find out which package manager would work best for me
[22:59] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, you've always helped me before! Can you figure something out for me?
[23:00] <Arcanis_> adah, apt is super simple.
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: what is it?
[23:00] <adah> yeah i like it so far
[23:01] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, I wanted to try out gnome and it broke something. At the login screen, the mouse cursor is invisible. The fix for this is supposed to be checking this: gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false, however that did not fix it. I removed gnome and the problem still persists.
[23:01] <Arcanis_> Without the mouse cursor at login, I cannot switch between desktop environments.
[23:02] <Che-Anarch> Hey guys I need an Ubuntu distro with python3.3 & gcc as well as other build-essentials on there... is there such iso already done / ready for me to DL use live? -
[23:02] <Che-Anarch> I need Ubuntu latest enviroment for doing some hardware firmware update... would rather not have to install whole OS
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: it could be that you have no x cursor theme active. try installing gnome-tweak-tool and change the cursor theme
[23:02] <EsoRotica> TJ-: I'm getting an error booting the img fine with linux16 now. Its saying too many configs. SHould I remove Config, or kernel .sys
[23:03] <Che-Anarch> Normally I use debian but I can not get GLIBC_2.14
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: can you not tab to the xsession chooser?
[23:03] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, I am so new at this that I don't know what xsession chooser is.
[23:04] <Arcanis_> Gnome tweaker tool cursor theme is set to DMZ-White
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: the thing to choose the desktop environment :P
[23:05] <zgsppdale> How do I use dd to zero the / directory?
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: that does seem right but try change it anyway. it may at least refresh a cache of there's one involved
[23:05] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, I set it to Adwaita (default)
[23:05] <Arcanis_> Maybe that will get it.
[23:05] <EsoRotica> TJ-: I was using the wrong command. Booted and into the phlasher now
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> zgsppdale: what exactly are you trying to do?
[23:06] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, I think I also made a mistake when installing gnome-desktop. It asked me about switching from lightdm to gdk or something. I opted to stay with lightdm.
[23:06] <Arcanis_> However, I did remove gnome-desktop.
[23:06] <zgsppdale> hitsujTMO: I want to see the errors.
[23:06] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, After setting this, I will go test. Be right back.
[23:08] <HolyQuacomole> How would I find out what drivers my ubuntu is using for my wireless stick?
[23:08] <EsoRotica> TJ-:  are you still here?
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: usb or pci?
[23:08] <TJ-> EsoRotica: Yes
[23:08] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO: usb
[23:09] <EsoRotica> TJ-: I got into the Phlasher, I selected the first option and it appears to have locked up.
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: lsusb -t
[23:09] <TJ-> EsoRotica: what was the first option?
[23:09] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, the problem is still there. More details: No matter where I press the mouse, it focuses on the password text box. So at least I can still enter my password. But it's like there isn't even a mouse cursor on the screen.
[23:09] <EsoRotica> TJ-: At the bottom, it says Identifying flash memory part type
[23:09] <EsoRotica> TJ-: Load image file
[23:09] <TJ-> EsoRotica: Ahhh... OK, my archive version of the program may not know about the Flash chip in your system
[23:10] <zgsppdale> Could anyone recommend a site were I can buy old computers from?
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: can you: sudo cat /var/log/lightdm/* | pastebinit
[23:11] <EsoRotica> TJ-: Okay, I think I found a post with some gentlemen who are overriding the bios for this laptop specifically.  https://bitly.com/shorten/
[23:11] <EsoRotica> TJ-: http://bit.ly/NMffLy
[23:12] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, http://pastebin.com/uptsAs5q
[23:14] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO: Found it, trying to work out if I can update it, usually the wifi connection drops in & out a lot. But the same usb wifi on windows works flawlessly
[23:17] <EsoRotica> TJ the mediafire link appears ro have a much more recent version of Phlash, Its doing its business now :D Thanks again!
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: not seeing anythere other than it saying its loaded a cursor. You do seem to have some memory issues tho, might be a good idea to run memtest
[23:18] <EsoRotica> TJ-:  Thanks!
[23:18] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, I just installed a new stick of ram. WHat issues does it say?
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: what driver is it and whats the output of: uname -r
[23:18] <TJ-> EsoRotica: Good... very **£"%^ annoying that Dell force the Windows tools like this; they should do it the same way they provide server updates. Those, you get Linux update utils too
[23:19] <DrChill> Is there a reason my script plays well with service, but doesn't start at startup? (service x start works)
[23:19] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO,  I can probably get by without a cursor if there is a shortcut to switch sessions.
[23:19] <DrChill> http://pastebin.com/GwYsdFVq
[23:19] <PiNinja> My terminal has no color and I am unable to edit my .bashrc. When I open it it shows a blank file. Any idea what is going on?
[23:19] <Arcanis_> hitsujiTMO, sessions managers*, like between cinnamon/xfce/unity/etc
[23:19] <TJ-> DrChill: have you sym-linked it using "update-rc.d enable ...." ?
[23:20] <EsoRotica> TJ-: The most frustrating thing is their on again off again "support" for linux
[23:20] <TJ-> EsoRotica: *nods*
[23:20] <EsoRotica> TJ-: I was considering a Sputnik V3... but after this... I think I'll pass.
[23:20] <TJ-> EsoRotica: I think it's called 'marketing support' or to me, dominant supplier bribery
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> Arcanis_: out of memory when trying to load font configs(that could just be a misconfiguration tho). There's also 2 segmentation faults from malloc returning null
[23:21] <EsoRotica> TJ-: We all know it to be the case. I recently started searching for laptops preinstalled with linux again. Same suppliers still exist, nothing from the big guys
[23:22] <Arcanis_> Ok thank you hitsujiTMO, I will definitely run a memtest to check the new stick. Don't want any faults on something I just bought.
[23:23] <EsoRotica> TJ-: After several hours of my own time and your help included I'm happy to wrap this one up. I think I will make a writeup to post somewhere.
[23:24] <TJ-> EsoRotica: I settled on buying identical easily-expandables for our fleet, that way we can hot-swap around and makes them easy to service. Settled on XPS m1530s with 1920x1200, 3x mini-PCIe, and Expresscard... allows me to run with a ViDock for 2 GPUs and 6 screens
[23:24] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO, Driver=rtl8192cu
[23:25] <EsoRotica> TJ-: I'm in the market for a laptop now actually. I cant believe you found such a nice screen. Mi largest complaint is the lack of screen options with decent *nix keybaords.
[23:25] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO, uname = 3.8.0-35-generic
[23:25] <EsoRotica> TJ-: you guys had the screens custom installed?
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: is this ubuntu 12.04 ?
[23:26] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO, Yes
[23:27] <ubuntu-studio> 12.04 ... what im 12.10
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: ok, you can try installing the saucy hardware enablement stack, this may bring you up to a newer driver if 3.11 comes with one. other than that you can try compiling the one from the realtek website, altho when ti comes to realtek its prob going to be the same case with that driver
[23:28] <TJ-> Eso, no thats the top res for the m1530... I pick up additional PCs off ebay as and when I spot them with the top spec screen
[23:29] <ubuntu-studio> i have old drivers i dn tink it work
[23:29] <TJ-> EsoRotica: I ask for the Dell service tag, and look up the build specification on the Dell support site... the LCD for 1920x1200 is WUXGA
[23:29] <ubuntu-studio> .. amilo sucks
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: just looked at the realtek site, the latest kernel they support is 3.9, so more than likely an update has been shipped with kernel 3.11
[23:31] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO, Okay thanks, how does one go about the saucy stack? Had a look in the software centre & couldn't see anything there about it. I'm guessing I need to do it from terminal?
[23:31] <TJ-> EsoRotica: With the A12 BIOS they support 8GB RAM, and the 3x mini-PCIe mean dual-band Wifi, 3G cellular+GPS module, and an SSD
[23:31] <ubuntu-studio> amilo pro driverssome one.???
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[23:31] <TJ-> EsoRotica: m1530 has a SIM card slot built-in, so they are great for go-anywhere work
[23:33] <TJ-> ubuntu-studio: If it has the VIA UniChrome GPU there isn't much support for it, as I recall
[23:35] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO, Cheers for the help, I don't think I can do that stuff because I'm on 64-bit ubuntu
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: thats not an issue. its just this 1 line: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-saucy xserver-xorg-lts-saucy libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-saucy
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO, I get this though. The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>  libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-saucy : Depends: libglapi-mesa-lts-saucy (= 9.2.1-1ubuntu3~precise1) but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                              Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-saucy (>= 7.2) but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>  xserver-xorg-lts-saucy : Depends: xserver-xorg-core-lts-saucy (>= 2:1.11) but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Depends: xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-saucy but it is not going to be installed or
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                                    xorg-driver-input
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Depends: xserver-xorg-input-evdev-lts-saucy but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-saucy but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Recommends: xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-saucy but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Recommends: xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-saucy but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <suudy> quit
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Recommends: x11-xserver-utils-lts-saucy but it is not going to be installed
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Conflicts: libglapi-mesa:i386 (>= 0~)
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole>                           Conflicts: xserver-xorg-core (>= 0~)
[23:37] <HolyQuacomole> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[23:37] <TJ-> !pastebin | HolyQuacomole
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: have you installed xorg-edgers or some similar ppa?
[23:39] <HolyQuacomole> hitsujiTMO, I have no idea, I've installed a few custom ppa's. Would the Ubuntu extras have anything to do with it?
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> HolyQuacomole: not exatras, but most likely its an xorg ppa preventing. you might try installing from source instead: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#RTL8192CU
[23:45] <ssl_> ok i just realized that i can run the chromium-browser in the X server alone, without a desktop environment. two questions: 1) how can i remove the LXDE with all the packages it installed along with it and the gtk-greeter? 2) how can i autorun the command sudo Xorg & DISPLAY=:0 chromium-browser at boottime?
[23:47] <utusan> how did you run it w/o desktop?
[23:48] <ssl_> ssh shell
[23:48] <bekks> Then starting a X server with chromium is nonsense.
[23:48] <bekks> Just run: ssh -CX and strt chromium
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> ssl_: no need to uninstall lxde(can be handy to have) ... just copy the chromium.desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions/    from /usr/share/applications/  and then in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf set your user-session=chromium
[23:49] <MG_> Hello, error in usr/lib/apt/Http could not be found. How can I fix it?
[23:50] <bekks> MG_: Pastebin the full command that produces that error as well as the full output please.
[23:50] <bekks> !pastebin | MG_
[23:51] <ssl_> bekks, hitsujiTMO: oh i forgot to mention that this is not a workstation but an embedded device which will only display a webpage on a screen. thats why it has to load it up on start (in case of AC loss)
[23:52] <MG_> E:The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/Http could not be found.
[23:52] <bekks> MG_: Thats ONE line, and not the information requested.
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> MG_: do you have an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list  that starts with Http:// instead of http:// ?
[23:53] <TJ-> MG_: please pastebin "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[23:56] <vamadir> have problem with freeadius. freeradius+ubuntu 12.04+pptp+mysql. freeradius -X is ok. clients nannot connect, error Peer user failed CHAP authentication
[23:56] <nathanel1itane> hello, i would like to modify gdm gsettings via a bash script and all i'M getting is that it cannot create the directory
[23:58] <nathanel1itane> entering a subshell manually works
[23:58] <usr13> nathanel1itane: gdmsetup  is  a  graphical tool for easily changing the most commonly used options.
[23:58] <nathanel1itane> but not through the script
[23:59] <nathanel1itane> usr13: i would like to make the settings portable for deployment
[23:59] <nathanel1itane> it has to be scripted
[23:59] <nomine>  Hello. I'm trying to find out my gateway's MAC address. I'm using a PPP connection. arp -a doesen't output a thing. Do you have a solution, please? Thanks.