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knomejjfrv8, hey :)02:22
jjfrv8knome, oops, I picked some nits with it02:22
knomereviewing clash02:22
knomehehe, np02:22
knomei'm actually working on it now02:22
knomei can do the proposed changes while i'm on it02:22
jjfrv8ok02:23
knomejjfrv8, Unit193: merged in 137.02:33
knomefeel free to re-review02:33
Unit193knome: STOP MERGING, I'M WORKING ON STUFF!02:34
Unit193:P02:34
knomedon't do merge requests then :P02:34
Unit193OK. :----D02:34
knomenooo02:34
knomei take that back02:34
knomeyou should do more of them ;)02:34
Unit193knome: Did you fix it first?02:35
jjfrv8knome, glad you went with the 3rd person singular, cause I realized the heading says "What it does"02:35
knomeUnit193, yeah, i merged locally, then edited...02:35
knomeand pushed02:36
knomejjfrv8, was a gut feeling to do that, didn't even notice the heading ;)02:36
Unit193jjfrv8: Sorry, my brain hardly works.  Prepare for seizures for the next merge. :P02:36
jjfrv8I didn't at first either02:36
knomeUnit193, you need to report seizures to the other "doc"02:36
knomeha! see what i did there!02:36
jjfrv8hehe02:36
Unit193Yep, good one.02:37
Unit193knome: Patch pilot looking at my uploads now.02:37
* knome sends Unit193 to the gumby brain specialist02:37
knomeUnit193, oooo, exciting :)02:37
* Unit193 is working on xyz still.02:37
knomehumm, stretching doesn't do good02:38
knomeonly makes muscles twitch02:38
knomemaybe i should go to bed :P02:38
knomebefore i go...02:39
knomejjfrv8, did you see bluesabre's contributions to the menulibre docs? ;)02:40
jjfrv8affirmative02:40
knomenice of him02:40
jjfrv8ja02:40
Unit193...What's the friendly name of catfish?02:40
knomefitcash02:40
jjfrv8he said he's got to make some changes this weekend to add launchers to directories02:40
knomeokay02:41
knomeoh btw,02:41
knomewe have unblocked several things now with deciding on the panel layout02:41
knomewell, some of it is still blocked until we have it set up02:42
knomebut good progress02:42
jjfrv8yuo02:42
jjfrv8yup02:42
jjfrv8maybe I should go to be too02:42
jjfrv8yikes! *bed02:42
knomealready? am i really up that late?02:42
jjfrv8way later than here for sure02:43
knomeheh :)02:43
knomealmost 5am02:43
knomeyeah, maybe i should go to bed and think about more stuff tomorrow02:44
knomenighty!02:44
jjfrv8cya02:44
Unit193Party time. \o/03:25
Unit193knome: That is to say, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/2.2.0-0ubuntu1 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/4.11.0~0.git20140209.86a1b73-0ubuntu103:38
MirvUnit193: nice! thanks to Luke :)06:29
Unit193Mirv: Yep, quite so.06:30
Unit193Hello.06:30
elfyknome: I'll remove gthumb from package tracker 07:53
elfyknome: also - I've not published that article, not sure when you want to do that, but I don't want it to be hanging around for ages08:05
ochosielfy: so panel and indicators are finally there, ready for testing? ;)08:33
Unit193CD will still be shipping with -sound-gtk2 and -application-gtk208:34
ochositrue, that will take a little longer08:35
ochosibut for b1, things should be in place08:35
Unit193xubuntu-docs: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/xubuntu-docs/pedantic_sync_changelog_from_archive/+merge/20615009:15
elfyochosi: not sure tbh what we can test re indicators but panel will mean a rejig of the existing test to remove references to bottom panel and any of the things we populate panel with is all10:25
ochosielfy: the panel-changes haven't been pushed yet10:29
ochosionly the xfce4-panel that supports gtk3 indicators10:29
slickymaster-jobmorning all10:29
knomeelfy, re: article, oh duh, good reminder :)12:58
knomeelfy, we should get it out now as we have the new website stuff pushed!12:58
pmjdebruijnhey guys13:00
ochosihey pmjdebruijn 13:00
pmjdebruijnjust curious13:01
pmjdebruijnxfwm4 with composition briefly blanks the screen... does anybody know if this has been resolved in newer xfwm in trusty?13:01
* pmjdebruijn knows it's not particularly critical and is only cosmetic, but I'm curious13:01
* pmjdebruijn admits to not having tested the daily live isos yet13:01
brainwash_pmjdebruijn: on session start?13:04
pmjdebruijnyeah13:04
brainwash_Unit193 also mentioned this issue13:05
pmjdebruijnit's very brief13:05
pmjdebruijndoesn't this happen for everybody?13:05
pmjdebruijnwhere compositing is on?13:05
brainwash_it is related to compositing, but it does not happen here13:06
ochosibrainwash_: so you think it's not the root-pixmap transition bug?13:06
brainwash_I suspect xfdesktop13:06
brainwash_being the culprit13:06
brainwash_try to load a session with xfdesktop13:07
brainwash_without13:07
pmjdebruijnhow do I do that?13:07
brainwash_settings manager > session and startup > session13:07
brainwash_ochosi: but what would cause the the black flicker? xfwm4 does not copy the root pixmap as of now and should show a grey flicker13:09
brainwash_xfdesktop 4.11 does some transparency magic and could be the culprit13:10
ochosibbiab, lunchtime13:10
pmjdebruijnI'll check tonigh13:14
knomeelfy, did you review my changes to the article already?13:37
knome-team, also please review http://xubuntu.org/?p=2078&preview=true13:37
elfyknome: yep - did it a few days ago, just changed the dozen to 20 ish13:55
GridCubeknome, it looks pretty well, though a bit desesperated13:56
GridCubemaybe removing the italics on the words can change that?13:57
elfyGridCube: if you don't think that only getting ~20 people testing things is desperate - bearing in mind that 30% ish of those only appear once and that in fact we get real reports from about 10 people at most13:58
brainwash_knome: if I middle click a menu entry in the sidebar, the hover effect (underline) won't disappear13:58
elfythen I don't know what is - and am obviously looking at it the wrong way - and should just not bother like other flavours appear to do13:59
GridCubeelfy, yes, i kow, and im sorry i dont contribute more myself, but the title and the whole objective of the text is to call for more reporters, there is no real need of extra emphasis13:59
* GridCube opinions14:00
ochosielfy: i like it, but some of the italics could go14:29
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slickymaster-jobknome: http://xubuntu.org/?p=2078&preview=true -> Page Not Found (I'm sorry, but you're looking for something that is not here.)15:09
GridCubeslickymaster-job, xubuntu.org/login then try the link15:11
slickymaster-jobhey GridCube 15:15
* slickymaster-job didn't knew about that and thanks GridCube for the hint15:16
* GridCube tips hat15:18
* slickymaster-job agrees on all counts with everthing in http://xubuntu.org/?p=2078&preview=true15:36
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jjfrv8knome, elfy, I proposed a few grammar edits. I've never used WP before so don't know if I did it right.15:43
knomebrainwash_, that's because the link still has the focus.16:00
knomejjfrv8, i would imagine it's just "done" without further notification (which is fine)16:02
knomejjfrv8, basically the "review" only refers to somebody else has to publish it16:02
knomejjfrv8, not review in the same way as in merge proposals :)16:02
knomejjfrv8, you are keeping the edit lock. areyou still actually editing the post, or can i overtake?16:03
knometaking over.16:05
knomei'm publishing16:06
knomedone, and tweeted16:08
knomepleia2, ping16:08
jjfrv8knome, sorry, rookie mistake.16:09
elfyknome: thanks :)17:14
slickymaster-jobhey elfy 17:16
elfyslickymaster-job: hi17:16
slickymaster-jobelfy: are still planning on writing the MenuLibre testcase?17:16
slickymaster-jobyou ^^17:17
elfythat or not - still waiting on being able to actually do anything with it17:18
slickymaster-jobdid you saw http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs17:19
elfyno - last time I looked at that it was all lorem ipsum17:20
elfybook marked it 17:20
elfythanks slickymaster-job 17:20
slickymaster-jobwell, it's a complete new ball game now17:21
elfyslickymaster-job: as in - now it's not lorem ipsum :)17:26
elfyhi DanChapman 17:26
DanChapmanelfy hey there :-) how are you?17:27
elfygood thanks17:27
slickymaster-jobhey DanChapman 17:27
slickymaster-jobif you don't fell like writing it, ping me elfy 17:28
elfyslickymaster-job: :)17:30
elfyochosi: not being at all arty over here - I wonder why the 'username' font size in the login box is so big compared to everything else17:53
pleia2knome: g+ed18:02
knometa ta18:22
ochosielfy: to stress what's important18:24
knomebbl18:26
elfyochosi: that's fine, was just saying is all :)18:41
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jonzennot sure i am in the right place  installed 14.04 alpha2 and had a problem with the desktop   wbar loads before the wallpaper every time and has the black box around it   reloading wbar fixes 20:14
ali12341what's wbar?20:14
jonzendock20:14
ali12341sounds like wbar uses a bad method of rendering a shadow20:15
ali12341the slow loading wallpaper is a known bug20:15
jonzenahhh  ty  20:16
ochosisome ppl are easily satisfied20:22
ochosi"this is a known bug" -> "ah ok" -> disconnect20:22
ochosi:D20:22
andrzejrochosi, hi22:29
ochosihey andrzejr 22:29
Unit193Hello.22:29
andrzejrhi Unit19322:29
andrzejrdo you still want me to release the indicator plugin?22:30
ochosiandrzejr: 1) there's currently a bug in the plugin when setting the panel to opaque (that one wasn't fixed by eric_the_idiot's patch before)22:30
andrzejr(given that the required panel is still in git master)22:30
ochosiand 2), we've uploaded 2.2.0 to ubuntu to have something there in time...22:30
Unit193I think waiting as long as you can for the panel is good.22:31
ochosiyup, in general it's good22:31
andrzejrochosi, a bug in the plugin or a bug in the panel?22:31
ochosiit's a bug in the panel22:31
ochosibut iirc you have push-rights there.22:31
andrzejris there a patch?22:31
ochosiso in case you can test/confirm it, that'd be nice22:31
ochosiyeah22:31
ochosihttps://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065822:31
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 10658 in Panel "GTK3 indicator area background turns transparent/black occasionally" [Normal,New]22:32
andrzejrthe problem with testing is that I have never seen the problem myself22:32
ochosistrange, should be easy to reproduce22:32
ochosiat least with gtk3.1022:32
andrzejrwell, that's probably the reason (3.8 here)22:32
ochosihmm, yeah22:33
ochosistrange that22:33
ochosibut still, the patch shouldn't do any harm in gtk3.822:33
ochosiat least that would be nice to test22:33
Unit193ochosi: You have mail.22:35
andrzejrhave you seen NSchermer lately?22:38
ochosiandrzejr: no, not in the last two weeks22:43
ochosibefore that he said he's "about to merge the xfwm tabwin branch" :)22:43
ochosibut that never happened, he's really busy with RL afaik22:43
andrzejrochosi, the patch looks good, pushed.22:51
ochosiandrzejr: thanks!22:53
ochosiwe'll have to update our git-snapshot a bit later with that fix i guess :]22:53
ochosi(or hopefully with a release...)22:54
ochosii presume you're not doing releases of xfce components (yet)?22:54
andrzejrochosi, technically I can (as anyone with a commit access) but only the "main" maintainer is supposed to do it.22:57
ochosiandrzejr: i'm just wondering whether you'd be willing to do it and specifically to offer it to NSchermer22:59
ochosii think he's the main maintainer of too many components atm22:59
lderanochosi, ah would of helped if i built light-locker with " --with-mit-ext" :P23:00
ochosilderan: hehe, well you could've also just used the daily PPA ;)23:00
lderantrue23:00
knomelderan, is there any hope for getting your GUI land to T? :))23:01
Noskcajremember stability of it can come after the FF, we just need a basic version23:02
lderanyup i'll get it working tomorrow :)23:03
NoskcajYAY23:03
knomeNoskcaj, while you are correct, that's not the recommended process23:04
ochosiNoskcaj: eric_the_idiot said he might do a release after monday for xfdesktop, do you think you can update our package?23:04
Noskcajochosi, Should be pretty easy. I'll packaging it in debian first in case corsac will upload, but i'll have a branch up by wednesday local time (tuesday i usually can't do stuff)23:05
andrzejrochosi, I could do it for less important releases (x.x.1) but not the first release of the new series23:05
Noskcajwith any luck i'll finally have motu by then23:06
ochosiNoskcaj: yeah, i'm not sure it'll be 100% bugfix, so it has prime importance to get it in before FF23:06
ochosiandrzejr: yeah, i understand...23:06
Noskcajochosi, ok23:06
ochosilderan: if you can push your stuff to a branch somewhere, i can add the xfceheader stuff to the UI if you want23:44
ochosiand try things like setting the appicon23:44
lderanokay, shall do so now. Its not much more then the ui hooked up to buttons at the moment23:45
ochosilderan: ok, sure, no rush :)23:46
ochosijust wanted to get out of doing some update to greybird that i've been pushing away... :)23:46
lderan:)23:46
lderanochosi, https://code.launchpad.net/~lderan/+junk/light-locker there yougo23:48
ochosilderan: hehe, you called it "light-locker" for easy disambiguation, right? :D23:54
lderan:P23:56
lderancan change it easily enough to what ever :P23:56
* knome awards lderan the "most ambiguous branch name" award23:57
lderan\o/23:57

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