[02:22] <knome> jjfrv8, hey :)
[02:22] <jjfrv8> knome, oops, I picked some nits with it
[02:22] <knome> reviewing clash
[02:22] <knome> hehe, np
[02:22] <knome> i'm actually working on it now
[02:22] <knome> i can do the proposed changes while i'm on it
[02:23] <jjfrv8> ok
[02:33] <knome> jjfrv8, Unit193: merged in 137.
[02:33] <knome> feel free to re-review
[02:34] <Unit193> knome: STOP MERGING, I'M WORKING ON STUFF!
[02:34] <Unit193> :P
[02:34] <knome> don't do merge requests then :P
[02:34] <Unit193> OK. :----D
[02:34] <knome> nooo
[02:34] <knome> i take that back
[02:34] <knome> you should do more of them ;)
[02:35] <Unit193> knome: Did you fix it first?
[02:35] <jjfrv8> knome, glad you went with the 3rd person singular, cause I realized the heading says "What it does"
[02:35] <knome> Unit193, yeah, i merged locally, then edited...
[02:36] <knome> and pushed
[02:36] <knome> jjfrv8, was a gut feeling to do that, didn't even notice the heading ;)
[02:36] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Sorry, my brain hardly works.  Prepare for seizures for the next merge. :P
[02:36] <jjfrv8> I didn't at first either
[02:36] <knome> Unit193, you need to report seizures to the other "doc"
[02:36] <knome> ha! see what i did there!
[02:36] <jjfrv8> hehe
[02:37] <Unit193> Yep, good one.
[02:37] <Unit193> knome: Patch pilot looking at my uploads now.
[02:37]  * knome sends Unit193 to the gumby brain specialist
[02:37] <knome> Unit193, oooo, exciting :)
[02:37]  * Unit193 is working on xyz still.
[02:38] <knome> humm, stretching doesn't do good
[02:38] <knome> only makes muscles twitch
[02:38] <knome> maybe i should go to bed :P
[02:39] <knome> before i go...
[02:40] <knome> jjfrv8, did you see bluesabre's contributions to the menulibre docs? ;)
[02:40] <jjfrv8> affirmative
[02:40] <knome> nice of him
[02:40] <jjfrv8> ja
[02:40] <Unit193> ...What's the friendly name of catfish?
[02:40] <knome> fitcash
[02:40] <jjfrv8> he said he's got to make some changes this weekend to add launchers to directories
[02:41] <knome> okay
[02:41] <knome> oh btw,
[02:41] <knome> we have unblocked several things now with deciding on the panel layout
[02:42] <knome> well, some of it is still blocked until we have it set up
[02:42] <knome> but good progress
[02:42] <jjfrv8> yuo
[02:42] <jjfrv8> yup
[02:42] <jjfrv8> maybe I should go to be too
[02:42] <jjfrv8> yikes! *bed
[02:42] <knome> already? am i really up that late?
[02:43] <jjfrv8> way later than here for sure
[02:43] <knome> heh :)
[02:43] <knome> almost 5am
[02:44] <knome> yeah, maybe i should go to bed and think about more stuff tomorrow
[02:44] <knome> nighty!
[02:44] <jjfrv8> cya
[03:25] <Unit193> Party time. \o/
[03:38] <Unit193> knome: That is to say, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/2.2.0-0ubuntu1 - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/4.11.0~0.git20140209.86a1b73-0ubuntu1
[06:29] <Mirv> Unit193: nice! thanks to Luke :)
[06:30] <Unit193> Mirv: Yep, quite so.
[06:30] <Unit193> Hello.
[07:53] <elfy> knome: I'll remove gthumb from package tracker 
[08:05] <elfy> knome: also - I've not published that article, not sure when you want to do that, but I don't want it to be hanging around for ages
[08:33] <ochosi> elfy: so panel and indicators are finally there, ready for testing? ;)
[08:34] <Unit193> CD will still be shipping with -sound-gtk2 and -application-gtk2
[08:35] <ochosi> true, that will take a little longer
[08:35] <ochosi> but for b1, things should be in place
[09:15] <Unit193> xubuntu-docs: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/xubuntu-docs/pedantic_sync_changelog_from_archive/+merge/206150
[10:25] <elfy> ochosi: not sure tbh what we can test re indicators but panel will mean a rejig of the existing test to remove references to bottom panel and any of the things we populate panel with is all
[10:29] <ochosi> elfy: the panel-changes haven't been pushed yet
[10:29] <ochosi> only the xfce4-panel that supports gtk3 indicators
[10:29] <slickymaster-job> morning all
[12:58] <knome> elfy, re: article, oh duh, good reminder :)
[12:58] <knome> elfy, we should get it out now as we have the new website stuff pushed!
[13:00] <pmjdebruijn> hey guys
[13:00] <ochosi> hey pmjdebruijn 
[13:01] <pmjdebruijn> just curious
[13:01] <pmjdebruijn> xfwm4 with composition briefly blanks the screen... does anybody know if this has been resolved in newer xfwm in trusty?
[13:01]  * pmjdebruijn knows it's not particularly critical and is only cosmetic, but I'm curious
[13:01]  * pmjdebruijn admits to not having tested the daily live isos yet
[13:04] <brainwash_> pmjdebruijn: on session start?
[13:04] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[13:05] <brainwash_> Unit193 also mentioned this issue
[13:05] <pmjdebruijn> it's very brief
[13:05] <pmjdebruijn> doesn't this happen for everybody?
[13:05] <pmjdebruijn> where compositing is on?
[13:06] <brainwash_> it is related to compositing, but it does not happen here
[13:06] <ochosi> brainwash_: so you think it's not the root-pixmap transition bug?
[13:06] <brainwash_> I suspect xfdesktop
[13:06] <brainwash_> being the culprit
[13:07] <brainwash_> try to load a session with xfdesktop
[13:07] <brainwash_> without
[13:07] <pmjdebruijn> how do I do that?
[13:07] <brainwash_> settings manager > session and startup > session
[13:09] <brainwash_> ochosi: but what would cause the the black flicker? xfwm4 does not copy the root pixmap as of now and should show a grey flicker
[13:10] <brainwash_> xfdesktop 4.11 does some transparency magic and could be the culprit
[13:10] <ochosi> bbiab, lunchtime
[13:14] <pmjdebruijn> I'll check tonigh
[13:37] <knome> elfy, did you review my changes to the article already?
[13:37] <knome> -team, also please review http://xubuntu.org/?p=2078&preview=true
[13:55] <elfy> knome: yep - did it a few days ago, just changed the dozen to 20 ish
[13:56] <GridCube> knome, it looks pretty well, though a bit desesperated
[13:57] <GridCube> maybe removing the italics on the words can change that?
[13:58] <elfy> GridCube: if you don't think that only getting ~20 people testing things is desperate - bearing in mind that 30% ish of those only appear once and that in fact we get real reports from about 10 people at most
[13:58] <brainwash_> knome: if I middle click a menu entry in the sidebar, the hover effect (underline) won't disappear
[13:59] <elfy> then I don't know what is - and am obviously looking at it the wrong way - and should just not bother like other flavours appear to do
[13:59] <GridCube> elfy, yes, i kow, and im sorry i dont contribute more myself, but the title and the whole objective of the text is to call for more reporters, there is no real need of extra emphasis
[14:00]  * GridCube opinions
[14:29] <ochosi> elfy: i like it, but some of the italics could go
[15:09] <slickymaster-job> knome: http://xubuntu.org/?p=2078&preview=true -> Page Not Found (I'm sorry, but you're looking for something that is not here.)
[15:11] <GridCube> slickymaster-job, xubuntu.org/login then try the link
[15:15] <slickymaster-job> hey GridCube 
[15:16]  * slickymaster-job didn't knew about that and thanks GridCube for the hint
[15:18]  * GridCube tips hat
[15:36]  * slickymaster-job agrees on all counts with everthing in http://xubuntu.org/?p=2078&preview=true
[15:43] <jjfrv8> knome, elfy, I proposed a few grammar edits. I've never used WP before so don't know if I did it right.
[16:00] <knome> brainwash_, that's because the link still has the focus.
[16:02] <knome> jjfrv8, i would imagine it's just "done" without further notification (which is fine)
[16:02] <knome> jjfrv8, basically the "review" only refers to somebody else has to publish it
[16:02] <knome> jjfrv8, not review in the same way as in merge proposals :)
[16:03] <knome> jjfrv8, you are keeping the edit lock. areyou still actually editing the post, or can i overtake?
[16:05] <knome> taking over.
[16:06] <knome> i'm publishing
[16:08] <knome> done, and tweeted
[16:08] <knome> pleia2, ping
[16:09] <jjfrv8> knome, sorry, rookie mistake.
[17:14] <elfy> knome: thanks :)
[17:16] <slickymaster-job> hey elfy 
[17:16] <elfy> slickymaster-job: hi
[17:16] <slickymaster-job> elfy: are still planning on writing the MenuLibre testcase?
[17:17] <slickymaster-job> you ^^
[17:18] <elfy> that or not - still waiting on being able to actually do anything with it
[17:19] <slickymaster-job> did you saw http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs
[17:20] <elfy> no - last time I looked at that it was all lorem ipsum
[17:20] <elfy> book marked it 
[17:20] <elfy> thanks slickymaster-job 
[17:21] <slickymaster-job> well, it's a complete new ball game now
[17:26] <elfy> slickymaster-job: as in - now it's not lorem ipsum :)
[17:26] <elfy> hi DanChapman 
[17:27] <DanChapman> elfy hey there :-) how are you?
[17:27] <elfy> good thanks
[17:27] <slickymaster-job> hey DanChapman 
[17:28] <slickymaster-job> if you don't fell like writing it, ping me elfy 
[17:30] <elfy> slickymaster-job: :)
[17:53] <elfy> ochosi: not being at all arty over here - I wonder why the 'username' font size in the login box is so big compared to everything else
[18:02] <pleia2> knome: g+ed
[18:22] <knome> ta ta
[18:24] <ochosi> elfy: to stress what's important
[18:26] <knome> bbl
[18:41] <elfy> ochosi: that's fine, was just saying is all :)
[20:14] <jonzen> not sure i am in the right place  installed 14.04 alpha2 and had a problem with the desktop   wbar loads before the wallpaper every time and has the black box around it   reloading wbar fixes 
[20:14] <ali12341> what's wbar?
[20:14] <jonzen> dock
[20:15] <ali12341> sounds like wbar uses a bad method of rendering a shadow
[20:15] <ali12341> the slow loading wallpaper is a known bug
[20:16] <jonzen> ahhh  ty  
[20:22] <ochosi> some ppl are easily satisfied
[20:22] <ochosi> "this is a known bug" -> "ah ok" -> disconnect
[20:22] <ochosi> :D
[22:29] <andrzejr> ochosi, hi
[22:29] <ochosi> hey andrzejr 
[22:29] <Unit193> Hello.
[22:29] <andrzejr> hi Unit193
[22:30] <andrzejr> do you still want me to release the indicator plugin?
[22:30] <ochosi> andrzejr: 1) there's currently a bug in the plugin when setting the panel to opaque (that one wasn't fixed by eric_the_idiot's patch before)
[22:30] <andrzejr> (given that the required panel is still in git master)
[22:30] <ochosi> and 2), we've uploaded 2.2.0 to ubuntu to have something there in time...
[22:31] <Unit193> I think waiting as long as you can for the panel is good.
[22:31] <ochosi> yup, in general it's good
[22:31] <andrzejr> ochosi, a bug in the plugin or a bug in the panel?
[22:31] <ochosi> it's a bug in the panel
[22:31] <ochosi> but iirc you have push-rights there.
[22:31] <andrzejr> is there a patch?
[22:31] <ochosi> so in case you can test/confirm it, that'd be nice
[22:31] <ochosi> yeah
[22:31] <ochosi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10658
[22:32] <andrzejr> the problem with testing is that I have never seen the problem myself
[22:32] <ochosi> strange, should be easy to reproduce
[22:32] <ochosi> at least with gtk3.10
[22:32] <andrzejr> well, that's probably the reason (3.8 here)
[22:33] <ochosi> hmm, yeah
[22:33] <ochosi> strange that
[22:33] <ochosi> but still, the patch shouldn't do any harm in gtk3.8
[22:33] <ochosi> at least that would be nice to test
[22:35] <Unit193> ochosi: You have mail.
[22:38] <andrzejr> have you seen NSchermer lately?
[22:43] <ochosi> andrzejr: no, not in the last two weeks
[22:43] <ochosi> before that he said he's "about to merge the xfwm tabwin branch" :)
[22:43] <ochosi> but that never happened, he's really busy with RL afaik
[22:51] <andrzejr> ochosi, the patch looks good, pushed.
[22:53] <ochosi> andrzejr: thanks!
[22:53] <ochosi> we'll have to update our git-snapshot a bit later with that fix i guess :]
[22:54] <ochosi> (or hopefully with a release...)
[22:54] <ochosi> i presume you're not doing releases of xfce components (yet)?
[22:57] <andrzejr> ochosi, technically I can (as anyone with a commit access) but only the "main" maintainer is supposed to do it.
[22:59] <ochosi> andrzejr: i'm just wondering whether you'd be willing to do it and specifically to offer it to NSchermer
[22:59] <ochosi> i think he's the main maintainer of too many components atm
[23:00] <lderan> ochosi, ah would of helped if i built light-locker with " --with-mit-ext" :P
[23:00] <ochosi> lderan: hehe, well you could've also just used the daily PPA ;)
[23:00] <lderan> true
[23:01] <knome> lderan, is there any hope for getting your GUI land to T? :))
[23:02] <Noskcaj> remember stability of it can come after the FF, we just need a basic version
[23:03] <lderan> yup i'll get it working tomorrow :)
[23:03] <Noskcaj> YAY
[23:04] <knome> Noskcaj, while you are correct, that's not the recommended process
[23:04] <ochosi> Noskcaj: eric_the_idiot said he might do a release after monday for xfdesktop, do you think you can update our package?
[23:05] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Should be pretty easy. I'll packaging it in debian first in case corsac will upload, but i'll have a branch up by wednesday local time (tuesday i usually can't do stuff)
[23:05] <andrzejr> ochosi, I could do it for less important releases (x.x.1) but not the first release of the new series
[23:06] <Noskcaj> with any luck i'll finally have motu by then
[23:06] <ochosi> Noskcaj: yeah, i'm not sure it'll be 100% bugfix, so it has prime importance to get it in before FF
[23:06] <ochosi> andrzejr: yeah, i understand...
[23:06] <Noskcaj> ochosi, ok
[23:44] <ochosi> lderan: if you can push your stuff to a branch somewhere, i can add the xfceheader stuff to the UI if you want
[23:44] <ochosi> and try things like setting the appicon
[23:45] <lderan> okay, shall do so now. Its not much more then the ui hooked up to buttons at the moment
[23:46] <ochosi> lderan: ok, sure, no rush :)
[23:46] <ochosi> just wanted to get out of doing some update to greybird that i've been pushing away... :)
[23:46] <lderan> :)
[23:48] <lderan> ochosi, https://code.launchpad.net/~lderan/+junk/light-locker there yougo
[23:54] <ochosi> lderan: hehe, you called it "light-locker" for easy disambiguation, right? :D
[23:56] <lderan> :P
[23:56] <lderan> can change it easily enough to what ever :P
[23:57]  * knome awards lderan the "most ambiguous branch name" award
[23:57] <lderan> \o/