[00:02] <huayra> jtaylor, won't :)
[00:02] <huayra> I do have a USB key in case it blows up in my face
[00:03] <huayra> and /home is on its own partition since the end of the 90s ;)
[00:16] <huayra> 'sed -i 's/saucy/trusty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list' + dpkg/apt magic did the trick...
[00:16] <huayra> updating now
[00:30] <bekks> Update started ... - that does not mean it will finish without breaking your box.
[00:30] <bekks> Thats called "unsupported".
[00:32] <huayra> bekks, I know... I used to test upgrading the init from a debian-edu (venus) to debian stable (on cds)
[00:33] <huayra> I still don't know what I am doing, but I am good at troubleshooting my own setup
[00:33] <huayra> yes, the init... parallel init. way before even upstart was designed :)
[00:33] <huayra> good times!
[00:34] <bekks> Whatever.
[01:06] <huayra> done... let's see if it restarts
[01:06] <huayra> Thanks for your help
[02:08] <diegoviola> hi
[02:09] <diegoviola> is ubuntu switching to systemd?
[02:09] <rww> diegoviola: yes
[02:09] <diegoviola> cool
[02:09] <rww> not for 14.04 though
[02:09] <diegoviola> great decision
[02:09] <diegoviola> i've been using systemd on other distros and it rocks
[02:09] <rww> i agree :)
[02:09] <diegoviola> it's incredibly fast and reliable
[02:11] <diegoviola> i'm also happy that i can now expect things to act in a consistent way across distributions, things like systemctl start sshd, systemctl status sshd, etc
[02:11] <diegoviola> i can see those things making life easier
[02:12] <rww> *nod* I've used systemd on Debian and it works just fine, so I'm hoping Ubuntu doesn't need that much work to switch :)
[02:12] <diegoviola> cool... yeah :)
[02:13] <diegoviola> nice
[02:13] <diegoviola> exciting times
[02:18] <diegoviola> now that ubuntu will be adopting systemd, will canonical also contribute code to it?
[02:18] <rww> no idea. probably a bit early for definite details like that :)
[02:18] <diegoviola> yeah i see
[02:19] <diegoviola> it would be nice if they do though
[02:21] <diegoviola> anyway... i'm really happy about this, it has surprised me big time today when i heard of it
[02:21] <diegoviola> :)
[02:24] <rww> Me too. I'm happy that the current Canonical folks have been very professional about it all too. Could easily have been another dramafest :)
[02:26] <diegoviola> right
[02:26] <diegoviola> :)
[02:26] <diegoviola> indeed
[02:31] <fathin> o/
[02:32] <diegoviola> it's nice to see less egos clashing in the Free Software world, I'd like to see more people working together rather than  infighting drama, etc :)
[02:33] <fathin> mhm
[02:34] <fathin> btw will tahr really released in gnome?
[02:36] <rww> fathin: can you rephrase the question? i'm having trouble with it
[02:37] <fathin> will tahr released in gnome environment and not unity?
[02:37] <ianorlin> there is an ubuntu gnome flavor that releases gnome
[02:37] <ianorlin> and the main ubuntu that releases unity
[02:38] <fathin> well i downloaded daily build of 14.04 and it is in gnome.
[02:38] <fathin> weird
[02:38] <rww> what's the name of the file you downloaded?
[02:38] <fathin> wait
[02:38] <fathin> lemme check
[02:40] <fathin> trusty-desktop-i386.iso
[02:41] <rww> odd, that's the right iso
[02:41] <fathin> or someone misplaced it?
[02:42] <fathin> i downloaded the torrent ones
[02:45] <Beldar> fathin, look famliar? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[02:45] <fathin> mhm
[02:45] <fathin> that one,
[02:46] <fathin> but 3 days ago
[02:46] <fathin> 3 main dl i think
[02:47] <Beldar> appears to be the gnome download this is the unity is my guess. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:48] <rww> oh, there isn't a "gnome" somewhere in the ubuntu gnome ISO filenames? that's obnoxious
[02:48] <fathin> that's the problem
[02:49] <Beldar> both iso's are a different size, same dates same names, loil
[02:50]  * rww asks #ubuntu-gnome about it
[02:56] <fathin> err. but i was sure it was exactly http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ since i saw the red text about oversized and stuff
[02:57] <fathin> nvm i think it was my fault for not reading fully to begin with
[04:06] <fathin> ahh found the prob.
[04:07] <fathin> the main have no .torrent download
[04:07] <fathin> so i downloaded the wrong one coz torrent keyword at my search
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:23] <FernandoMiguel> hey BluesKaj
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hi FernandoMiguel, LTNS
[12:24] <FernandoMiguel> true
[12:24] <BluesKaj> assume you've been busy
[12:28] <FernandoMiguel> or just not coming around here much
[12:30] <BluesKaj> where do you usually hang out on irc?
[12:35] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: android #s, ubuntu #s, and a portuguese network
[12:36]  * BluesKaj nods
[12:57] <belgianguy> Hi, will 14.04 ship with upstart or systemd?
[12:58] <mamarley> Upstart
[12:58] <belgianguy> ah, k, and is there a merge window planned?
[13:02] <FernandoMiguel> belgianguy: only after debian does it thing
[13:02] <FernandoMiguel> after that we should merge it ... and when found *as* stable, make it default
[13:02] <FernandoMiguel> based on Mark's words
[13:04] <belgianguy> thanks FernandoMiguel
[15:41] <pietro10> well I now have more data on my fonts issue: if there's a fonts.conf file in my .config/fontconfig, then all programs display fonts incorrectly, not just GTK+ programs - this happened in the past, but at least now deleting fonts.conf fixes the KDE programs (which didn't happen before) - lack of fonts.conf, however, does not fix the GTK+ programs from rendering fonts incorrectly... Does KDE not use fontconfig by default or something?
[15:53] <pietro10> actually, here's a picture; not sure why I didn't make one before - http://imgur.com/dyfjNcz left: GTK; right: KDE - I'm considering the GTK+ ones wrong
[22:24] <u-foka> Hy, does anyone know how to enable the tray icon of skype on trusty amd64?
[22:50] <ikonia> u-foka: maybe try in #ubuntu, this channel is for 14.04
[22:50] <penguin42> trusty is 14.04 isn't it?
[22:50] <ikonia> is it ?
[22:50] <bekks> yes
[22:50] <ikonia> oops, sorry
[22:51] <ikonia> my fault, got my alphabet wrong
[22:53] <u-foka> :D
[22:54] <ikonia> u-foka: sorry about that
[22:54] <rww> lol ikonia
[22:55] <rww> this is the downside of half of the IRC Team using Debian
[22:55] <u-foka> ikonia, np :)