[00:02] jtaylor, won't :) [00:02] I do have a USB key in case it blows up in my face [00:03] and /home is on its own partition since the end of the 90s ;) [00:16] 'sed -i 's/saucy/trusty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list' + dpkg/apt magic did the trick... [00:16] updating now [00:30] Update started ... - that does not mean it will finish without breaking your box. [00:30] Thats called "unsupported". [00:32] bekks, I know... I used to test upgrading the init from a debian-edu (venus) to debian stable (on cds) [00:33] I still don't know what I am doing, but I am good at troubleshooting my own setup [00:33] yes, the init... parallel init. way before even upstart was designed :) [00:33] good times! [00:34] Whatever. === daek_ is now known as Daekdroom === TheLordOfTime is now known as teward [01:06] done... let's see if it restarts [01:06] Thanks for your help [02:08] hi [02:09] is ubuntu switching to systemd? [02:09] diegoviola: yes [02:09] cool [02:09] not for 14.04 though [02:09] great decision [02:09] i've been using systemd on other distros and it rocks [02:09] i agree :) [02:09] it's incredibly fast and reliable [02:11] i'm also happy that i can now expect things to act in a consistent way across distributions, things like systemctl start sshd, systemctl status sshd, etc [02:11] i can see those things making life easier [02:12] *nod* I've used systemd on Debian and it works just fine, so I'm hoping Ubuntu doesn't need that much work to switch :) [02:12] cool... yeah :) [02:13] nice [02:13] exciting times [02:18] now that ubuntu will be adopting systemd, will canonical also contribute code to it? [02:18] no idea. probably a bit early for definite details like that :) [02:18] yeah i see [02:19] it would be nice if they do though [02:21] anyway... i'm really happy about this, it has surprised me big time today when i heard of it [02:21] :) [02:24] Me too. I'm happy that the current Canonical folks have been very professional about it all too. Could easily have been another dramafest :) [02:26] right [02:26] :) [02:26] indeed [02:31] o/ [02:32] it's nice to see less egos clashing in the Free Software world, I'd like to see more people working together rather than infighting drama, etc :) [02:33] mhm [02:34] btw will tahr really released in gnome? [02:36] fathin: can you rephrase the question? i'm having trouble with it [02:37] will tahr released in gnome environment and not unity? [02:37] there is an ubuntu gnome flavor that releases gnome [02:37] and the main ubuntu that releases unity [02:38] well i downloaded daily build of 14.04 and it is in gnome. [02:38] weird [02:38] what's the name of the file you downloaded? [02:38] wait [02:38] lemme check [02:40] trusty-desktop-i386.iso [02:41] odd, that's the right iso [02:41] or someone misplaced it? [02:42] i downloaded the torrent ones [02:45] fathin, look famliar? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ [02:45] mhm [02:45] that one, [02:46] but 3 days ago [02:46] 3 main dl i think [02:47] appears to be the gnome download this is the unity is my guess. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [02:48] oh, there isn't a "gnome" somewhere in the ubuntu gnome ISO filenames? that's obnoxious [02:48] that's the problem [02:49] both iso's are a different size, same dates same names, loil [02:50] * rww asks #ubuntu-gnome about it [02:56] err. but i was sure it was exactly http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ since i saw the red text about oversized and stuff [02:57] nvm i think it was my fault for not reading fully to begin with [04:06] ahh found the prob. [04:07] the main have no .torrent download [04:07] so i downloaded the wrong one coz torrent keyword at my search === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === Trewas666 is now known as trewas === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan [12:07] Hiyas all [12:23] hey BluesKaj [12:24] Hi FernandoMiguel, LTNS [12:24] true [12:24] assume you've been busy [12:28] or just not coming around here much [12:30] where do you usually hang out on irc? [12:35] BluesKaj: android #s, ubuntu #s, and a portuguese network [12:36] * BluesKaj nods [12:57] Hi, will 14.04 ship with upstart or systemd? [12:58] Upstart [12:58] ah, k, and is there a merge window planned? [13:02] belgianguy: only after debian does it thing [13:02] after that we should merge it ... and when found *as* stable, make it default [13:02] based on Mark's words [13:04] thanks FernandoMiguel === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out [15:41] well I now have more data on my fonts issue: if there's a fonts.conf file in my .config/fontconfig, then all programs display fonts incorrectly, not just GTK+ programs - this happened in the past, but at least now deleting fonts.conf fixes the KDE programs (which didn't happen before) - lack of fonts.conf, however, does not fix the GTK+ programs from rendering fonts incorrectly... Does KDE not use fontconfig by default or something? === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out [15:53] actually, here's a picture; not sure why I didn't make one before - http://imgur.com/dyfjNcz left: GTK; right: KDE - I'm considering the GTK+ ones wrong === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === CraHan is now known as CraHan|out === CraHan|out is now known as CraHan === mydogsnameisrudy is now known as monkeyjuice [22:24] Hy, does anyone know how to enable the tray icon of skype on trusty amd64? === emma_ is now known as emma [22:50] u-foka: maybe try in #ubuntu, this channel is for 14.04 [22:50] trusty is 14.04 isn't it? [22:50] is it ? [22:50] yes [22:50] oops, sorry [22:51] my fault, got my alphabet wrong [22:53] :D [22:54] u-foka: sorry about that [22:54] lol ikonia [22:55] this is the downside of half of the IRC Team using Debian [22:55] ikonia, np :)