[00:04] <mappps> #ARGH
[00:04] <mappps> GOT SOAKED
[00:04] <mappps> 2nd time
[00:04] <mappps> wasnt raining when i got to gym..leave starts bucketing down and ive got shorts on
[00:05] <mappps> thought id be ok-5min walk
[00:05] <mappps> :(
[00:07] <daftykins> D:
[00:07] <mappps> poor old maps
[00:07] <mappps> shouldve known
[00:07] <mappps> wear my jogging bottoms anyway just incase
[00:07] <mappps> coats soaked through too..really really raining;/
[00:08] <daftykins> not waterproof!?
[00:10] <mappps> i think it is its just u know when things get wet and it gets heavy and hot and sticky
[00:10] <mappps> its one of them barbour jackets
[02:28] <diddledan> anyone still around?
[02:30] <diddledan> I'm trying to flash my galaxy nexus.. got to the point of actual flash, but there isn't any program by the name "ubuntu-device-flash" anywhere on my system
[02:30] <diddledan> I've added the ppa the instructions say to add and installed the relevant packages from there, but I only have phablet-flash
[02:31] <diddledan> which takes different options as far as I can work out
[02:37] <diddledan> hmm, seems the wiki was updated very recently to change the references to phablet-flash replacing them with ubuntu-device-flash - also removed a lot of other information on the channels
[02:40] <daftykins> tried the touch chan?
[02:42] <diddledan> nope :-p
[02:42] <diddledan> it appears to be doing "something" now based on an archive copy of the install wiki page
[02:43] <diddledan> the page I'm now reading was edited 4 days ago and is archive
[02:45] <diddledan> luckily I still had it open in a longlost browser window - there doesn't actually appear to be any way of retrieving this page directly from the wiki itself
[02:47] <diddledan> aah yes there is
[02:47] <diddledan> looks like the changer was sergiusens
[02:47] <diddledan> isn't he important?
[02:47] <diddledan> he should know what he's on about surely?!
[02:47] <diddledan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install?action=info
[03:24] <diddledan> wow, first impressions of ubutouch are pretty positive - the graphical elements are purdy
[06:04] <mappps> hey
[07:53] <knightwise> morning
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:15] <dvrr> Hiiiiiiii
[09:15] <dvrr> good morning
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:25] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[11:02] <popey> morning
[11:06] <brobostigon> morning hrh popey
[11:14] <foobarry> k3b, clementine and rhythmbox fail to rip cds :(
[11:14] <foobarry> rhythmbox just hangs :(
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: sound-juicer?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: what's the error message?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> I've found that first inserting the CD, then starting sound-juicer works best for me
[11:17] <foobarry> no error. just waiting
[11:18] <foobarry> red circle on track1
[11:18] <foobarry> estimated time unknown
[11:18] <foobarry> notghing happens
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: what does "cdparanoia -Bvs" do? (do this in an empty/spare directory, it'll make .wavs)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that + flac -8 *wav + Musicbrainz picard ("picard ." -> search for CD -> click "tagger" link in browser)
[11:21] <foobarry> scsi_read error: sector=0 length=1 retry=2
[11:21] <foobarry>                  Sense key: 3 ASC: 11 ASCQ: 5
[11:21] <foobarry>                  Transport error: Medium reading data from medium
[11:21] <foobarry>                  System error: Input/output error
[11:21] <foobarry> dodgy cd?
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> I'd clean it, yes
[11:30] <foobarry> doesnt even play. no wonder
[11:43] <foobarry_> MartijnVdS: how do you change the mp3 quality settings on s-juicer?
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it uses the gstreamer versions
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: profiles they're called, I think
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> anyway.. just rip to flac then run whatever conversion tool yourself ;)
[11:47] <foobarry> not very wife friendly
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: no I mean.. rip to FLAC and have rhythmbox/banshee convert it to MP3 when you drag them onto an MP3 player/phone
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> but if you really want to rip to mp3, you can change the gstreamer profiles.. there is a tool but I forgot the name.
[11:49] <foobarry> think i raised a bug, it didnt work some time ago
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> http://askubuntu.com/questions/149153/how-do-you-edit-the-preferred-format-settings-in-rhythmbox
[11:53] <foobarry> i think rhythmbox stopped reading the config files
[11:53] <foobarry> will try sound0j
[11:53] <foobarry> i hate linux sometimes
[11:53] <foobarry> 20 apps and all failsome
[11:54] <foobarry> have to quit s-j to insert new cd
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's a big bug
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> but it's "not important" enough.. so it's been unfixed for 4 releases
[11:55] <foobarry> :'(
[11:56] <Laney> blame blame blame
[11:56] <Laney> research the problem(s) and help develop the fix
[11:56] <foobarry> does nobody rip stuff anymore?
[11:57] <foobarry> easier said than done
[11:59] <foobarry> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=602855
[12:02] <foobarry> This fixes the issue sound-juicer is hitting (sync cdda IO from a thread,
[12:02] <foobarry> thread dies, new CD, sync cdda IO from a new thread).
[12:02] <foobarry> This does not fix the secondary issue described in
[12:02] <foobarry> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=602855#c10 which does not impact
[12:02] <foobarry> sound-juicer but could happen to others (sync cdda IO from a thread, thread
[12:02] <foobarry> stays alive, new CD, sync cdda IO from a new thread).
[13:28] <Seeker`> argh, why won't my screen stick to 1920x1080
[13:28] <Seeker`> every time the montior goes to sleep / wakes up ,it resets to 720x576
[13:50] <popey> ew
[13:51] <popey> how are you setting it to 1080p?
[14:09] <Seeker`> popey: xrandr
[14:10] <Seeker`> popey: I've tried in xorg.conf, adding a new modline, setting a virtual resolution, usaing the nvidia application
[14:10] <popey> why not use the display thing?
[14:10] <popey> it will remember then
[14:11] <ali12341> because it doesn't work with nvidia
[14:12] <popey> pretty sure it does
[14:14] <ali12341> it gives the appearence of working, but actually doesnot
[14:15] <NET||abuse> having a fun steam problem today, enjoying the fun of optimus bumblebee stuff. If i run steam normally then add primusrun %command% to all the game startup options the games work, but the steam gui freezes and has to be killed.
[14:15] <NET||abuse> weird behaviour, but if i optirun -b primus steam  and take away the startup options from the games, it seems ok,
[14:15] <NET||abuse> odd one.
[14:41] <Seeker`> popey: it will change the resolution, then if you reboot, it goes back to 720x576
[14:43] <popey> nasty
[14:43] <Seeker`> really frustrating, as its my mythtv frontend
[14:46] <Seeker`> ali12341: you have experience of this problem?
[14:46] <ali12341> no
[14:46] <ali12341> have you saved the settings to xorg.conf?
[14:49] <Seeker`> ali12341:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6937552/
[14:52] <ali12341> set ignoreedid and manually limit the frequencies to the ones for 1080
[14:52] <ali12341> just ignoreedid might be enough
[14:53] <ali12341> i'm guessing that's a TV, TVs always lie on the supported refresh rates for some reason
[14:53] <Seeker`> ali12341: Option "IgnoreEDID" "TRUE" in the monitor section?
[14:53] <ali12341> i can't remember what section it goes in but yes
[14:54] <ali12341> apparently you have to use the "useedid" option now
[14:57] <Seeker`> ali12341: where is that information form?
[14:57] <ali12341> the nvidia driver readme
[15:21] <Seeker`> ali12341: turning off EDID just makes it set to 800x600, with nothing on the screen
[15:21] <ali12341> you have to specify horizontal and vertical refresh rates that will only allow it to select the mode you want
[15:22] <Seeker`> any hints on how to do that?
[15:22] <ali12341> set the mode you want
[15:23] <ali12341> look at the refresh rates with xrandr
[15:23] <ali12341> put them in xorg.conf +/- 0.1
[15:28] <Seeker`> ali12341: not sure how to get the horizontal rate from xrandr
[15:29] <ali12341> nvidia control panel might also tell you
[16:16] <foobarry> Seeker`: run the display thing as sudo
[16:16] <foobarry> save to xorg.conf
[16:30] <mappps> strange sometimes when using chan4 live it says not enough bw
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> 4chan live?
[16:31] <daftykins> XD
[16:32] <mappps> chan4:D
[16:32] <daftykins> i don't think their setup is too great
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: now you can't think of anything else while watching C4 ;)
[16:32] <mappps> 4od works fine
[16:32] <daftykins> it's ok MartijnVdS - i do neither :D
[16:38] <foobarry> how do u watch 4od?
[16:40] <mappps> channel4.cm
[16:41] <foobarry> which os?
[16:41] <mappps> win
[16:42] <foobarry> oh ok
[16:55] <knightwise> hey everyone
[16:55] <knightwise> does anybody around here know about a bug with the mac keyboard settings on 13.10 ?
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> what's the bug?
[16:57] <knightwise> i have french macintosh as the keyboard layout
[16:57] <knightwise> it gives me an indicator up top
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> nah, you only get the indicator if you have > 1 keyboard layout configured
[16:57] <knightwise> but when I type something the keyboard layout is standard french
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> remove the other layout and you should be fine
[16:57] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: And yet i've thrown away all the other ones
[16:58] <daftykins> sacre bleu!
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: don't use French keyboards :P
[16:58] <knightwise> yes , very helpfull
[16:58] <knightwise> belgians = Azerty
[16:58] <knightwise> belgian macs have french azerty layouts
[16:59] <knightwise> is there a config file where I can check this ?
[16:59]  * MartijnVdS only knows US-International-AltGrDeadkeys
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: open the keyboard preferences screen
[17:00] <knightwise> got it
[17:00] <mappps> hm
[17:00] <mappps> so its not a normal keyboard?
[17:00] <knightwise> layout settings
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: can you upload a screenshot (Alt+Prtinscreen) somewhere?
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> mappps: it's an Apple-brand one
[17:00] <mappps> oh
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> they're weird
[17:00] <mappps> those looks fancy
[17:01] <knightwise> i'm gonna try something , be back later,
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> good luck!
[17:02]  * knightwise hates apple keyboards
[17:02] <mappps> judge judys on all the time on cbs reality
[17:02] <mappps> and its so good
[17:02] <mappps> :D
[17:39] <mappps> my name is jack bauer
[17:39] <mappps> cant wait for new 24
[18:19] <Mad-Professor> hey all
[18:20] <Mad-Professor> i would like some assistence please
[18:20] <Mad-Professor> i am new to this
[18:20] <Mad-Professor> i would like some1 to see my logs for start up and shut down
[18:21] <Mad-Professor> I have ubuntu on my laptop with KDE desktop
[18:21] <penguin42> Mad-Professor: #ubuntu for questions generally, and the best way to get someone to look at the logs is to describe your problem and use a pastebin to upload them
[18:21] <Mad-Professor> kool thankx sir
[18:24] <penguin42> Mad-Professor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/  also you can use the pastebinit program to upload them
[18:34] <Mad-Professor> i have uploaded - any other logs to upload?
[19:06] <DJones> Don't you just love people who think they own the roads https://twitter.com/TVP_Windsor/status/434743268719755264/photo/1
[19:25] <foobarry> what if there's no other way?
[19:25] <foobarry> been in cornwall/devon before when the only road out of there is flooded
[19:26] <foobarry> hence all the 4x4s
[19:44] <foobarry> fell on the stairs while holding baby :(
[19:46] <foobarry> think i hurt her :(
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> errrmmm... why are you discussing it here rather than phoning a doctor foobarry
[19:50]  * penguin42 has heard it said he was dropped down the stairs as a baby
[19:51] <SuperEngineer> :)
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: said as if that explains *everything*?
[19:51] <foobarry> cos wife took her to walk-in this evening
[19:52] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Indeed
[19:53] <foobarry> isn't this #nhs-uk chan?
[19:53] <penguin42> yeh, it's too responsive
[19:53] <foobarry> curling looks like a fun sport
[19:56] <foobarry> "hot. cool. yours" sounds like a coffee shop
[20:04] <maps|work> hello
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> \o mapster
[20:04] <maps|work> whats up?
[20:04] <maps|work> im watching this rubbish Splash
[20:04] <maps|work> ;]
[20:05]  * MartijnVdS is playing with chef and vms
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> VMs, not VMS ;)
[20:06] <maps|work> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2560239/What-earth-thinking-Mystery-buyer-snaps-clifftop-home-destined-crumble-North-Sea.html
[20:06] <maps|work> House in Easton Bavents near Southwold, Suffolk, was a mile inland in 17th century but is now just 26ft from edge
[20:06] <maps|work> thats crazy!"
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: erosion at work
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> should have built a dam -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works ;)
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> though we have similar erosion issues here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rottumerplaat
[20:07] <maps|work> but a mile to 26ft is quite something?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: in 400 years!
[20:07] <maps|work> bla bla bla Hollands the best yes MartijnVdS ?
[20:07] <maps|work> :P
[20:07] <maps|work> :)
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> that's only 4 meters/year
[20:08] <maps|work> yea thats true
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: at managing water things? Sure ;)
[20:08] <maps|work> still a mile to 26ft sounds a lot..lets not get into technical details..ie time frame;p
[20:09] <penguin42> we should get some more Dutch sea walls built
[20:09] <maps|work> not many dutch people in the uk
[20:09] <maps|work> every other nation..but i dont think ive ever come across any dutch folk
[20:09] <penguin42> they're not that far away
[20:09] <maps|work> yea
[20:10] <maps|work> but i mean ive come across plenty of french/german well not plenty but some
[20:10] <penguin42> maps|work: There is a canal near Cambridge where they got the dutch to build it - dead straight for many miles - easy to find on google maps
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> I know a guy who moved to Leeds from .nl
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> and a few ex-coworkers who moved to London
[20:10] <maps|work> how does he find it? Leeds is a dump i thought?
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: I think he likes it.
[20:11] <maps|work> I dont think id be able to live in another country permanently too settled in .uk
[20:11] <maps|work> i dont mind going abroad..but it''s so different, im comfortable here in my routine
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> same for me, s/uk/nl/
[20:11] <maps|work> change is bad:)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Though I love visiting .uk ;)
[20:12] <maps|work> Didn't you come here to see some band?
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/11477796716/
[20:12] <maps|work> hm cant flickr is blocked at work..stupid policy blocks webmail/photo sites bla bla bla
[20:12] <foobarry> did anyone see the quad bike => jet ski in top gear?
[20:12] <maps|work> :)
[20:12] <maps|work> did you take eurostar?
[20:12] <maps|work> ive got top gear on atm
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: I took Eurostar once, it's great :)
[20:13] <foobarry> i took it business class, rather pleassant
[20:13] <maps|work> but expensive when i looked?
[20:13] <maps|work> compared to flying i think
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: but for that concert, I went to Gatwick :)
[20:13] <maps|work> how much diff is business class to normal?
[20:14] <foobarry> haven't seen normal
[20:14] <foobarry> but its probably wider seats and nicer food
[20:14] <maps|work> on virgin trains first class is nice...i always pay for first class when travelling to euston
[20:14] <maps|work> yea
[20:14] <foobarry> i think they offered me prem class food once
[20:14] <foobarry> because they had spare dishes
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: I've also taken the boat from Rotterdam to Harwich (and drove to Land's End)
[20:14] <foobarry> our CEO was on train and shared a table with thierry henry
[20:14] <maps|work> free food/drink and 2seats a side rather than 3 :) and a table..used to hate haing to try and find a table in normal class..because never can
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: That was a great summer holiday :)
[20:15] <maps|work> nice
[20:15] <maps|work> on your own?
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: who me?
[20:15] <maps|work> and drive?!?! pah ..im shocked you even have a license ..thought it's all about bikes:D
[20:15] <maps|work> yea
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: Yeah, solo trip :)
[20:15] <maps|work> ah i dont like solo trips
[20:16] <maps|work> i wouldnt feel comfortable
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5877491002319853233/5877491010391899122?pid=5877491010391899122&oid=100189567362844794281
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: speaking the language fluently helps with the comfort ;)
[20:16] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Excellently penguin coloured
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: (note the front left tire -- had to get that fixed while popey drowned me in tea :P)
[20:17] <maps|work> yea thats true -- i guess Holland solo would be way better than say Czech Republic solo
[20:17] <maps|work> everyone in Holland understands me..whereas czech rep id feel totally alone lol
[20:17] <maps|work> although america alone? still english but not sure id want to
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: sue everyone!
[20:18] <foobarry> who's sue?
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Bright yellow!
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: Some American, I guess? ;)
[20:18] <foobarry> sosumi
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: sounds Japanese
[20:19] <maps|work> so you went to Somerset
[20:19] <maps|work> with all the farmers?:D
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> I thought "tiramisu" was Japanese until I learned it's Italian 8-)
[20:19] <maps|work> must've stuck out a mile heh
[20:19] <maps|work> anyone does without the farmer accent
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: I went all the way to the tip of Cornwall :)
[20:19] <foobarry> the best bits
[20:20] <foobarry> the tip of cornwall is in dorset atm
[20:20] <foobarry> due to the rest being underwater
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: so I heard.
[20:20] <penguin42> and is probably underwater
[20:20] <penguin42> foobarry: Hehe yes
[20:21] <foobarry> there's nothing more enjoyable than a boy pretending to fly a plane/drive a train/car
[20:21] <foobarry> in a stationary real one
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> *prrrrrrrrr!*
[20:22] <foobarry> he seems at his happiest in those places
[20:23] <maps|work> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2560093/Schoolboy-16-wrote-chilling-letter-Moors-murderer-Ian-Brady-detailing-murder-plot-creeping-boys-bedroom-attacking-hammer.html how strange some people are
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> daily fail
[20:24] <maps|work> pfft
[20:24] <foobarry> at least the url summarieses the story
[20:25] <foobarry> annoyed when the 3-car-owning family in the cul de sac parks outside our house so we have to carry 2 children 50 yds to next parking space
[20:26] <foobarry> there's an unwritten rule in cul de sacs. one car outside your house. extra cars get out of the road
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> unless they all fit in your own drive
[20:27] <maps|work> i have a space which is enough for 2 cars
[20:27] <maps|work> but i have 0
[20:27] <maps|work> yea
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: get a bunch of Smart cars, you'll fit 3 easily ;)
[20:27] <maps|work> lol
[20:27] <maps|work> just get 3 for the sake of it..to make the space filled? or claim its some kind of odd modern art:D
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> yes. ;)
[20:28] <penguin42> foobarry: Get a big heavy estate and just push theirs out of the way
[20:28] <maps|work> Mammoth runaway SNOWBALL weighing 800lbs knocks through U.S. college dorm wall after students lose control of it as they are egged on by crowds LOL 800lb snowball
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: "My other car is a Caterpillar"
[20:28] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: My dads was a volvo estate, it used to be able to nudge the neighbours car out of the way
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: oh I'm sure it could :) I've seen those things.. they're battleships
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> or built like them anyway
[20:29] <maps|work> just reading of someone who had been drinking and taking cocaine so decides to climb up a house and in through the window and slips..i wouldnt do it SOBER!
[20:30] <maps|work> didnt volvo drivers used to have a bad rep?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> they did, until Audi drivers arrived ;)
[20:30] <maps|work> heh
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> at least, that's how it went here
[20:33] <foobarry> penguin42: i have a big heavy estate :D
[20:33] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: http://imgur.com/Zt8ai3h
[20:33] <maps|work> ive got this qwebirc workiing well-just need to figure out how to smake it not display the channel name in title bar of the page
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> ROFL :)
[21:07] <maps|work> downloades all of hemlock grove..will gibve me something to do tomorrow:)
[21:09]  * MartijnVdS listens to the Cryptonomicon ebook
[21:12] <maps|work> whats that?:D
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/816.Cryptonomicon
[21:27] <maps|work> sfw?
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: it's a book
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> maps|work: it contains some NSFW words, but that goodreads page should be safe :)
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> (it's just a collection of reviews etc.)
[21:37] <maps|work> :)
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> the book is one of my favourites :)
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: It's World Pangolin Day! How could we have missed this?
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: :)
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: http://thebrainscoop.tumblr.com/post/76766600941/happy-world-pangolin-day-this-is-the-endangered
[21:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[21:57] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you're jet-lagged.
[22:01] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: or I don't know any other greeting ;P
[22:01] <MartijnVdS> "g'day mates"
[23:02] <penguin42> is anyone else on virgin media cable, running their cable modem in 'modem mode' and understand wth VM do to their dhcp?
[23:04] <popey> eh?
[23:04] <popey> i have a vm superhub in modem only mode
[23:04] <popey> and a ddwrt box in front of it which sees the WAN IP
[23:04] <penguin42> popey: What have you got it connected to?
[23:05] <popey> Netgear WNDR3700
[23:05] <penguin42> popey: I have it connected to an Ubuntu-server box running Shorewall and the kernel is rejecting the modems dhcp packets as martians
[23:06] <popey> hm, odd
[23:07] <popey> ooh, just telnetted into my router
[23:07] <popey> not done that in a long while, like over 2 years
[23:07] <ali12341> penguin42: did you register the mac?
[23:07] <popey> do you still have to do that?
[23:07] <ali12341> probably
[23:07] <penguin42> popey: It's only at startup, once it's got a connection (i.e. I manually configure the network interface onto 192.168.100.x to match the modems diag ip and then login - it hten gets it ok)
[23:07] <ali12341> why would they change it?
[23:08] <penguin42> ali12341: But it's in modem mode - you can't register anything
[23:08] <ali12341> sure you can
[23:08] <penguin42> ali12341: And in this case it's the Linux box that's rejecting the DHCP from the modem not the other way around
[23:08] <ali12341> how can you tell?
[23:09] <penguin42> ali12341: How - everything is greyed out in modem mode except a button to take it back to router mode and a status button
[23:09] <ali12341> yes
[23:09] <penguin42> ali12341: 1) It doesn't actually get an IP   2) IPv4: martian source 255.255.255.255 from 10.34.180.1, on dev brinternet
[23:09] <ali12341> in modem mode DHCP does not come from the modem
[23:09] <ali12341> it comes from virgin's network
[23:10] <ali12341> you have to register the mac of your router with virgin or else you won't get a valid DHCP response
[23:10] <penguin42> but given that VMs DHCP server is serving from 10.34.180.1 an IP address on 82.27.172.x, giving a gateway IP of 86.7.101.1 and then embedded a rfc1048 extension of a default gatway of 82.27.172.1 I'm not surprised it's upset
[23:10] <penguin42> ali12341: Register it where?
[23:10] <penguin42> ali12341: The only registration I've seen is on the router in router mode
[23:11] <popey> no, on vm website
[23:11]  * penguin42 has never done that
[23:11] <popey> although I don't recall doing that when I switched to modem mode
[23:11] <penguin42> (brb)
[23:11] <ali12341> you either use the special installed CD that does it all for you (windows only of course) or you go to a special URL a bit like a captive portal
[23:12] <ali12341> this information is several years out of date
[23:14] <ali12341> apparently virgin got rid of all that stuff
[23:19] <penguin42> ah ok, yeh didn't need to do any of that