[06:31] <Kilos> morning all
[06:36] <Kilos> sorry. testing if sound works in xchat
[06:36] <Kilos> hi superfly psydroid 
[06:49] <theblazehen> hey Kilos 
[06:49] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[07:20] <soundsearcher> Maaz_, morning
[07:20] <Maaz_> Hello soundsearcher
[07:26] <soundsearcher> hi Golynx you still winning with xubuntu
[07:28] <Golynx> hi soundsearcher. Yeah i am settled now with xubuntu, its better than unity and more productive :)
[07:28] <soundsearcher> haha
[07:30] <Golynx> When i get a more powerfull pc, i will do ubuntu unity 14.04 
[07:30] <soundsearcher> im also hoping to try that
[07:33] <Golynx> wb Kilos
[07:34] <Golynx> had a feeling something not right these :p
[07:34] <Kilos> pity you started so late with ubuntu Golynx 10.10 would have been ideal for you
[07:34] <Kilos> ty
[07:34] <Golynx> why 10.10
[07:35] <Kilos> that used gnome2 before unity hit the scene
[07:36] <Golynx> oh
[07:36] <Kilos> worked great on old machines
[07:36] <Golynx> not sure if drivers would work there
[07:37] <Golynx> else i would have to manually do everything
[07:37] <Kilos> it was better than xubuntu imo
[07:38] <Golynx> ohk
[07:39] <Golynx> aslong as i'm able to use the OS without so many hardware issues i am fine with it
[07:40] <Kilos> no choice now with support dropping off you gotta go with the flow
[07:40] <Golynx> ya true
[07:41] <Kilos> i got a new m/board here and xchat dont have sound hence soundsearcher
[07:42] <Golynx> oh ok
[07:43] <Golynx> last  night you asked about the dogs hearing frequency, that is 30 - 50 khz
[07:47] <Kilos> ah ty and the mossies one is close to that?
[07:49] <Golynx> i think its from 10khz to 25khz
[07:50] <Kilos> cool ill try them all
[07:51] <Golynx> hope you get it right :)
[07:51] <Kilos> haha me too ty
[07:51] <Golynx> yw
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello peeps
[08:00] <theblazehen> hey ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:01] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy wassup its saterday
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm on call and some stuff is acting up
[08:01] <Golynx> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:01] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[08:01] <Kilos> eish
[08:02] <theblazehen> hi Golynx 
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[08:05] <Kilos> wbb going to konversation
[09:32] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:32] <inetpro> Kilos: so have you built your mozzi killer yet?
[09:32] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[09:33] <Kilos> its all software inetpro , just gotta find the right frequency for them
[09:33] <Kilos> but first 2 find some mozzi's\
[09:33] <Kilos> haha
[09:33] <inetpro> how far can a frequency travel?
[09:34] <Kilos> depends i suppose on how high you turn your volume control
[09:34] <Kilos> and its very low so dont need line of site like wifi
[09:35] <inetpro> how do you measure the volume if you can't hear it?
[09:36] <Kilos> you use a diffirent frequency in the audio range first
[09:36] <Kilos> different
[09:37] <Kilos> i just listen to bloep here on konversation
[09:37] <Kilos> otherwise you screw volume up and it bloeps you off the chair
[09:39] <inetpro> I'm just thinking about the sound of the mozzi, surely it doesn't travel very far
[09:39] <Kilos> you mean from the generator or from a mozzi itself?
[09:40] <inetpro> from the mozzi itself
[09:40] <Kilos> oh normally only in one room 
[09:40] <Kilos> you never heard them buzzing around when you in bed
[09:41] <inetpro> only right by my ear
[09:41] <Kilos> haha
[09:41] <Kilos> before you klap yourself
[09:42] <inetpro> exactly
[09:42] <Kilos> rofl
[09:46] <Kilos> if one can pinpoint the correct frequency it should keep them out of the whole house
[09:46] <inetpro> this whole issue of loudness vs frequency confuses me
[09:47] <Kilos> its like a radio
[09:47] <Kilos> loudness is controlled by the volume
[09:47] <Kilos> frequency is controlled by the genny
[09:48] <Kilos> get it and scroll up and listen to the frequency change
[09:48] <inetpro> so the frequency does not fade away with distance?
[09:48] <Kilos> runs with a java command
[09:48] <Kilos> nope it just goes out of your own hearing range
[09:49] <Kilos> http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/HearingRange.html
[09:50] <Kilos> like bats use a sonar kinda frequency to tell them if there is something in front of them but we cant hear it
[09:52] <inetpro> goes right over my head
[09:52] <Kilos> get the gen and listen
[09:52] <inetpro> what gen?
[09:53] <Kilos>  google JSigGen
[09:53] <Kilos> ai
[09:53] <Kilos> http://arachnoid.com/JSigGen/
[09:54] <inetpro> ai!
[09:54] <Kilos> what now?
[09:54] <inetpro> need aplugin to run that
[09:54] <Kilos> acroread
[09:55] <inetpro> jre yuck!
[09:55] <Kilos> in the repos
[09:55] <Kilos> just some java stuff man
[09:55] <Kilos> the earlier versions are python code
[09:56] <Kilos> read the info and you can tick on earlier versions
[09:58] <Kilos> its like humming. start low tone then go up and up till you are squeeling
[09:58] <Kilos> those are all different frequencies
[10:00]  * inetpro installed icedtea6-plugin
[10:01] <inetpro> working now
[10:01] <inetpro> now what I do?
[10:01] <Kilos> ok its default is 400hz i think
[10:01] <Kilos> you hear it?
[10:02] <Kilos> put your pointer in that block and scroll
[10:02] <inetpro> what block?
[10:02] <Kilos> with 400 in
[10:02] <Kilos> tiny block
[10:03] <Kilos> make the thing full screen till you know whats up
[10:07] <Kilos> are you winning
[10:07] <Kilos> inetpro ?
[10:07] <inetpro> you mean scroll the frequency?
[10:09] <Kilos> yeah scroll mouse wheel and frequency chaanges
[10:10] <Kilos> and you should hear the tone going up
[10:10] <inetpro> signal frequency
[10:10] <inetpro> what is Modul?
[10:10] <Kilos> ya
[10:10] <Kilos> modulate
[10:10] <Kilos> add some modulation
[10:11] <Kilos> can you hear anything man?
[10:11] <inetpro> yep
[10:11] <Kilos> yay
[10:11] <inetpro> works perfactly
[10:11] <Kilos> ya its a well written app methinks
[10:15] <inetpro> so can I generate white noise with this thing?
[10:15] <Kilos> ya at the bottom i think
[10:15] <inetpro> to kill the office airconditioner noise
[10:15] <Kilos> lol
[10:16] <Kilos> it can generate all kinds of funny waveforms
[10:16] <inetpro> you are laughing, that noise is killing me slowly man
[10:16] <Kilos> aircon noise killing you?
[10:17]  * inetpro loves the quietness when the aircon is switched off
[10:17] <Kilos> complain and they can get a better quality one
[10:17] <inetpro> but unfortunately gets hot too quickly so rather keep it on
[10:18] <inetpro> I actually meassured it some time ago but forget the db levels
[10:18] <Kilos> complain and tell them you need a phsyc evaluation so they can see the damage its doing to you
[10:19] <Kilos> have you got up to the squeeling frequency yet?
[10:19] <inetpro> it probably not that bad but the levels were quite high
[10:19] <inetpro> don't want to break my speaker
[10:20] <inetpro> s/break/kill/
[10:20] <Kilos> keep going up you will get to a place where you feel the sound more than hear it
[10:20] <Kilos> no man ive run all the way and speakers fine
[10:20] <Kilos> its only waves going through the speaker at different speeds
[10:21] <inetpro> eish!
[10:22] <inetpro> it hurts man
[10:22] <Kilos> lol
[10:22] <Kilos> go past there
[10:23] <Kilos> now to find the right one that hurts mosquitoes
[10:25] <Kilos> inetpro go look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMS44ptNP3g and tell me what they say
[10:25] <inetpro> no ways
[10:26] <Kilos> there is also a droid thing looks like
[10:26] <Kilos> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.picobrothers.am&hl=en
[10:26] <inetpro> no more bw available
[10:26] <Kilos> ai!
[10:27] <inetpro> my kids are killing me this month
[10:27] <Kilos> ai!
[10:27] <Kilos> same as that sound hurt you, theoretically there must be sounds that can hurt any living thing
[10:28]  * inetpro needs a proxy at home to set bw limits
[10:29] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:30] <inetpro> it's easy to manage when you're alone
[10:31] <Kilos> yeah
[10:32] <Kilos> how do i get konversation to keep colours in old scroll backs
[10:32] <Kilos> thats the main thing xchat does better
[10:35] <Kilos> Most devices use a range of frequency between 16 and 20 KHz in order to disturb insects; the efficacy though depends on the type of sound (ultrasonic, etc) used which can be achieved with special equipment, usually professional ones.
[10:39] <charl> good morning
[10:39] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[10:39]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[10:40] <Kilos> so inetpro catch some mozzies inna bottle and type in 16000 there by signal and scroll up till they fall over
[10:40] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz_ coffee please
[10:40] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sure
[10:40] <inetpro> ai! :)
[10:40] <Kilos> lol
[10:40] <inetpro> poor mozzies
[10:40] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:40] <charl> hi inetpro 
[10:40] <inetpro> hi charl
[10:41] <Kilos> they are serious disease carriers
[10:41] <Kilos> ive had malaria twice
[10:41]  * inetpro will ask the kids to catch some
[10:41] <Kilos> thats the way
[10:43] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:43] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[10:43] <Maaz_> charl: Sure
[10:44] <inetpro> Kilos:  What is the proper frequency to repell mosquito? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080615201146AAKRUF0
[10:44] <inetpro> seems like a lost cause
[10:46] <inetpro> High Frequency Sounds do NOT repel mosquitoes
[10:46] <inetpro> Kilos: see also http://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/2056/are-mosquitoes-repelled-by-high-frequency-sound
[10:50] <Kilos> there are lots of pros and cons for the arguement but logic says that one frequency will hurt them same as that sound hurt you
[10:51] <Kilos> and if something hurts you you stay away right?
[10:53] <inetpro> but maybe they just don't hear it above a certain Hz just like us 
[10:54] <Kilos> if you get the right one it will rattle their cages
[10:54] <Kilos> i had a design link somewhere
[10:55] <Kilos> http://psrcentre.org/images/extraimages/512653.pdf
[10:55] <Kilos> haha it also want java stuff
[12:16] <Private_User> Good day all
[12:16] <charl> hi Private_User 
[12:17] <charl> phew in #ubuntu you can't even say anything or you get jumped on
[12:17] <charl> and then they call it a "friendly" channel
[12:17] <Private_User> does anybody else here use Thunderbird as their email client? I would like to know what the average memory usage should be?
[12:18] <Private_User> hi charl
[12:18] <charl> hahahaha
[12:19] <Private_User> what did you say there charl? I have seen that as well
[12:20] <charl> i didn't, somebody just said something about "wtf is in a log" and then got jumped on
[12:21] <charl> the next guy asked something about what the best of something is and got jumped on
[12:22] <Private_User> yeah and sometimes you would sometimes be speaking about Ubuntu and they would tell you you going off topic and I also found that some of the people helping there are very arrogant i.e. one would ask a question and they may receive a reponse like if you do not know a simple thing of whatever do you think you should be the one setting up or even using ubuntu server...
[12:24] <Private_User> I once had a query about ubuntu there and I got told I was going off topic but I know it was not a support query but stiff it was my first time there on the channel
[12:24] <Private_User> *still
[12:24] <Private_User> lol
[12:24] <Private_User> I wonder how that happened *stiff instead of *still
[12:26] <charl> i don't need to know :P
[12:26] <charl> lol
[12:26] <charl> but yeah it's just general rudeness in that channel
[12:26] <charl> people's responses and also those automated bot responses come across as very rude
[12:27] <charl> in response to people asking totally legitimate and normal questions
[12:27] <charl> and to jump on people for saying "wtf" these days is just childish
[12:27] <charl> i'm not saying you shouldn't keep your language in check but seriously, this is irc
[13:08] <theblaze_telnet> I'm connected with telnet!
[13:09] <theblazehen> theblaze_telnet, ok
[13:24] <smile> hi :p
[13:35] <charl> hi smile 
[13:35] <charl> theblazehen: you manually connected with telnet to irc? by manually using the irc protocol?
[13:35] <theblazehen> charl, yep
[13:36] <charl> smile: how's the weather in belgium, here's its windy
[13:36] <smile> charl: windy, yesterday it was rainy too :)
[13:36] <charl> yes same here
[13:37] <charl> i live on the third floor and i hear the wind good
[13:38] <charl> smile: i see the videos of fosdem have now been posted, looking forward to watching some of them
[13:40] <psydroid> hi smile 
[13:40] <psydroid> hi charl 
[13:40] <psydroid> hi theblazehen 
[13:40] <psydroid> hi Private_User 
[13:40] <smile> charl: oh yes, yesterday was storm :D
[13:40] <theblazehen> hey psydroid 
[13:40] <smile> hi psydroid 
[13:40] <smile> charl: great :)
[13:40] <theblaze_telnet> telnet sucks..
[13:41] <charl> hi psydroid 
[13:41] <charl> smile: i am having a problem though, i can not hear anything
[13:41] <charl> smile: it seems like the audio codec or something doesn't want to play in vlc
[13:41] <charl> smile: or in firefox for that matter
[13:41] <charl> for example, in this video http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2014/K1105/Saturday/Postfix_open_source_mail_server_lessons_learned_and_recent_developments.webm
[13:42] <psydroid> I just read what was said above about #ubuntu, I don't think it's good for people to deal with (mostly) novices like that
[13:42] <charl> i just asked in #fosdem, i hope they have some answers
[13:42] <charl> psydroid: it's not just about that, it's just general rudeness
[13:42] <charl> psydroid: the people in that channel are arrogant and useless with helping people
[13:42] <Kilos> what did i miss?
[13:42] <psydroid> charl, I've come across that too on IRC and I don't know why they think they can get away with that kind of behaviour
[13:43] <psydroid> hi Kilos 
[13:43] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[13:43] <Kilos> stupid modem
[13:43] <charl> psydroid: you would expect it on some networks like efnet and ircnet and more "geeky" communities
[13:43] <psydroid> charl, I know Linux inside out (even kernel code) and have worked with many distributions, but I still try to help people whenever I can
[13:43] <charl> psydroid: but for an official help channel like #ubuntu on freenode it's completely uncalled for, indeed
[13:44] <charl> psydroid: yes same here, been using linux for like 15 years and i still enjoy helping people
[13:44] <smile> charl: can't hear it either in Firefox :p
[13:44] <charl> smile: yeah i think they screwed something up
[13:45] <charl> one of the people just responded and said the videos aren't fully ready yet
[13:46] <smile> charl: I see :p
[13:46] <smile> because on Windows, the video's dont work either (just tested)
[13:46] <charl> lol
[13:48] <psydroid> haha
[13:48] <psydroid> but wasn't Fosdem like two weeks ago?
[13:48] <charl> yes
[13:48] <charl> maybe i am too quick :)
[13:49] <psydroid> yeah, you'd better wait for another year until Fosdem 2015 :D
[13:49] <charl> yes lol
[13:49] <psydroid> btw, I am going to be attending more and more of these conferences in the near future
[13:49] <charl> yes i didn't know about fosdem until it was too late
[13:49] <charl> next year we want to go with a group from work
[13:49] <psydroid> one of the nice things of being here in Poland is that there are also a lot of developer conferences in this region
[13:50] <psydroid> things about*
[13:50] <psydroid> oh, if I am around at that time it would be great if I could go too
[13:50] <charl> this was the other one: http://cfgmgmtcamp.eu/
[13:51] <charl> but there are a lot of these events around, i don't bother to go to most of them though
[13:51] <psydroid> I would only go to the most important ones, where you can actually learn something about interesting projects
[13:53] <charl> if there are any good non-polish-language conferences please tell me
[13:53] <charl> i've never been to poland but i would like to try it once
[13:53] <psydroid> I think these conferences are generally in English, but I'm not sure
[13:53] <charl> it's just quite a distance from here because i have to go through whole of germany to get to poland :P
[13:54] <psydroid> hahaha
[13:54] <psydroid> you can fly from Eindhoven to all big cities
[13:54] <psydroid> http://www.wizzair.com
[13:55] <psydroid> except for Poznań, that is ...
[13:56] <charl> hmmmm
[13:57] <charl> for me i would do better by going to dortmund first
[13:57] <charl> and then flying from dortmund
[13:58] <psydroid> oh, that's also a good choice indeed
[13:58] <charl> ooh this is cheap
[13:59] <charl> very good, thanks for the tip
[13:59] <psydroid> you're welcome
[14:30] <theblazehen> sudo apt-get install sl -y && sl
[14:30] <theblazehen> you're welcome
[14:34] <charl> good one theblazehen 
[15:41] <not_found> :'( I can't even find one site with live rugby scores that isn't being blocked from work
[15:41] <charl> not_found: ssh funnel
[15:41] <charl> *tunnel
[15:41] <charl> ssh -D opens a local socks proxy
[15:41]  * not_found hasn't set up SSH on his home PC again...
[15:42] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[15:42] <charl> you need a vps or so-called "cloud server"
[15:42] <not_found> besides using XP without admin makes most things difficult to achieve
[15:42] <not_found> hiya uncle Kilos and charl 
[15:42] <charl> no problem with putty
[15:42] <charl> it works without any admin access
[15:43] <charl> and configure firefox under networking, doesn't need any admin access either
[15:43] <charl> i did this like 10 years ago to escape firewalls and corporate monitoring
[15:43] <charl> on a network that i didn't have any admin access to either
[15:44] <charl> back then we didn't have cheap vps'es but i had a box running under my desk at where i was working part time
[15:44] <charl> on a relatively open network, i should add
[15:49] <not_found> I have used putty here... was even running x applications from home right here... but my upload from home was to small to make it work properly :p
[15:50] <charl> bah
[15:50] <not_found> I haven't tried routing my browsers through a home connection 
[15:50] <charl> that's really really easy
[15:50] <not_found> well as easy as it may be it won't solve my issue for tonight :/
[15:50] <charl> a friend of mine was in china and he was doing the same to watch youtube
[15:54] <Kilos> inetpro are these good or poison
[15:54] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img600/9296/baf6.jpg
[15:55] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img827/8270/jyg3.jpg
[15:55] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img809/5769/ed4t.jpg
[15:56] <charl> man Kilos are you busy with the shrooms again
[15:56] <Kilos> yeah i love them, but dunno if these are safe
[15:56] <charl> you're like super mario, you just chasing shrooms
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[15:57] <Kilos> rahter die by bullet than by mushroom poisoning
[15:58] <Kilos> gooooooosiieeee
[15:58] <smile> cool, systemd is becoming standard in Ubuntu :)
[15:58] <smile> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[15:58] <charl> Kilos: if you're not careful you're going to end up like this http://i.imgur.com/kjmPT2F.jpg
[15:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:59] <theblazehen> smile, yeah :) Finally a bit more bearable to work with :p
[15:59] <Kilos> what is wrong with upstart?
[16:00] <smile> theblazehen: yeah, I was hoping for that a long time
[16:00] <smile> :)
[16:00] <smile> Kilos: it's slower
[16:00] <smile> and Ubuntu-only
[16:00] <smile> ;)
[16:00] <Kilos> oh is that all
[16:00] <Kilos> but it is very stable
[16:01] <theblazehen> I actually don't like systemd that much
[16:01] <smile> theblazehen: it's fast in my experience ;)
[16:01] <theblazehen> harder to have say a BSD debian, or GNU/HURD
[16:01] <smile> that's all that matters :p
[16:01] <theblazehen> smile, yeah, good IF you only want to use it with linux kernel
[16:01] <smile> theblazehen: they will likely use SysVinit for some more years :p
[16:02] <theblazehen> smile, who? BSD?
[16:02] <theblazehen> I mean if I want to use a userspace linux system with a BSD kernel or something
[16:03] <not_found> upstart is also used in RHEL 6...
[16:04] <smile> you can still use SysV init for the years to come :p
[16:04] <theblazehen> OOh! plan9 userspace with linux kernel, good idea?
[16:04] <smile> not_found: sure about that? :p
[16:04] <not_found> and it fulfilled an important role
[16:04] <smile> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/upstart <- full story here, critique on systemd mostly :p
[16:05] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/Q3cUg29 CSS... fuck CSS
[16:06] <Kilos> eish you too young to swear like that
[16:06] <smile> and here, why systemd is better: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd
[16:06] <charl> whahaahhaa
[16:06] <charl> yeah and isn't that too true
[16:08] <not_found> better is such a subjective concept...
[16:09] <smile> "Systemd is incredibly fast (1 second to boot). It was not designed with speed in mind, but doing things correctly avoids all the delays currently incurred by the boot process. " :p
[16:09] <smile> charl: it is :p
[16:16] <theblazehen> smile, 20 seconds to shell on arch linux on my netbook with a HDD
[16:16] <theblazehen> 1 minute to thin client connection manager, arch linux, booting from (slow) USB flash drive
[16:31] <smile> theblazehen: yes, but that's not only systemd :)
[16:32] <smile> that's ureadahead too
[16:32] <smile> and many more ;)
[16:35] <smile> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ureadahead
[16:47] <theblazehen> I'm back
[16:47] <theblazehen> someone said my nick. What was the message?
 theblazehen: yes, but that's not only systemd :)
[16:48] <theblazehen> k, ty Kilos 
[16:48] <Kilos> k
[17:07] <Kilos> not_found me watching sharks/bulls
[17:08] <Kilos> dont zzzzz watch
[17:08] <not_found> bulls going to get slaughtered I fear...
[17:08]  * not_found can't even get the score online anymore :'(
[17:08] <Kilos> yay i like that idea
[17:08] <Kilos> aw
[17:09] <not_found> so any updates would be appreciacted
[17:09] <Kilos> np
[17:09] <not_found> thanks uncle Kilos 
[17:09] <Kilos> anytime
[17:09] <not_found> and may the sharks win (won't say best team cause that isn't going to happen tonight)
[17:09] <Kilos> you wanna go pm or here
[17:10] <Kilos> actually go social
[17:10] <Kilos> ##ubuntu-za-social
[17:32] <Kilos-> go sharks
[17:34] <not_found> yes, go away sharks
[18:09] <Kilos> inetpro waar is jy man?
[18:09] <inetpro> uh
[18:09] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <inetpro> eish Kilos, I wouldn't try those mushrooms... they don't look like the healthy type that I eat 
[18:25] <inetpro> unless you are planning to have a quick trip to the hospital 
[18:25] <Kilos> nope try inetpro 
[18:25] <Kilos> will sigh and dump them
[18:25]  * not_found won't even eat mushrooms from the shops :/
[18:26] <Kilos> oo i like mushrooms
[18:26] <Kilos> fry in butter then add milk and boils 2 mins
[18:26] <Kilos> yum yum on bread
[18:26] <Kilos> maybe arab mushrooms are not lekker
[18:27] <Kilos> camel dung not good fertilizer
[18:29] <not_found> I don't care what dunk it comes up in I don't want to eat it
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> you dunno what you missing
[18:29] <Kilos> lekker like mussels and oysters
[18:30] <not_found> eek... more things on my don't eat list
[18:30] <Kilos> ai!
[18:30]  * not_found thinks uncle Kilos should worry less about food and more about the score >.>
[18:30] <Kilos> what planet you come from
[18:30] <not_found> one where we eat steak
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <not_found> my fave vegetable is chicken 
[18:31] <Kilos> and crayfish?
[18:31] <Kilos> better than any steak
[18:31] <not_found> if you find crayfish grazing on a grass field then sure... if not then I doubt it
[18:31] <Kilos> haha shame man you missing something
[18:31] <not_found> I don't mind ;)
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: what's the score?
[18:32] <Kilos> bulls are all steak eaters thats why the sharks are leading
[18:32] <Kilos> 26/9
[18:32] <inetpro> cool
[18:33] <not_found> you are aware all the best fish gets transported in land and the best steak to the coast :p
[18:33] <Kilos> van der merwes are funny peeps you know
[18:33] <not_found> seems the game has become a bit static...
[18:33] <Kilos> here one okey name is mc-gyver dean greyling
[18:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:34]  * not_found resigns himself to the loss as he expected... I will be back later all... have a great evening and don't eat anything growing on your lawns overnight... ;)
[18:34] <Kilos> cheers not_found 
[18:34] <Kilos> go well
[18:34] <not_found> :)
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <Kilos> ai! stupid modem
[18:45] <charl> Kilos: i just saw whatsapp support in miranda mg (windows)
[18:46] <charl> *ng
[18:46] <Kilos> aw i dont do windows
[18:46] <charl> Kilos: http://wiki.miranda-ng.org/index.php?title=Plugin:WhatsApp/en
[18:46] <charl> it says "This plugin is in development and is not suitable for daily use yet. It could cause crashes or data loss."
[18:46] <Kilos> ah
[18:46] <charl> no me neither
[18:46] <charl> it's a gpl licensed application
[18:46] <charl> i don't know why it's windows only
[18:47] <Kilos> that plugin for pidgin will work. i just need to register whatsapp with a fone sometime
[18:47] <Kilos> it actually starts then fails on password 
[18:47] <charl> yup
[18:48] <charl> if you can register your account first there's a good chance it will work
[18:48] <charl> but i don't know about the above, it sounds unstable
[18:48] <Kilos> ill find someone with a mod fone to register my sim some time
[18:49] <charl> lol
[18:49] <charl> i don't even have a mobile phone at all
[18:49] <Kilos> i have one for sms and read gutenburg.org books
[18:49] <Kilos> but too old for whatsapp
[18:50] <Kilos> lekker to lie in bed and read on fone
[18:50] <Kilos> not heavy or awkward like a book
[18:50] <charl> yeah
[18:51] <Kilos> inetpro 26/16
[18:51] <inetpro> eish!
[18:51] <Kilos> they coming closer
[18:51] <Kilos> they actually playing the better game
[18:51] <Kilos> only our defence keeps us going
[18:52] <Symmetria> hrm
[18:52] <Symmetria> gf took me with her to her friends dowry negotiation/engagement function thingy this afternoon
[18:52] <Symmetria> that was an interesting insight into kenyan culture
[18:55] <charl> lol
[18:55] <charl> Symmetria: do they have lebola?
[18:59] <Kilos> oo yay lambie scores 3 mins into overtime
[19:00] <Kilos> 31/16
[19:00] <inetpro> nice!
[19:01] <Kilos> go banana boys
[19:02] <charl> what
[19:02] <charl> banana boys?
[19:02] <Kilos> natal
[19:02] <charl> lol
[19:06] <Symmetria> charl same concept
[19:06] <Symmetria> different name
[19:06] <Symmetria> and complex negotiation ceremony
[19:09] <charl> interesting
[19:35] <inetpro> smile: thanks for those links
[19:39] <Private_User> evening people
[19:40] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[19:40] <smile> inetpro: yw! :D
[19:40] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[19:47] <charl> hi Private_User 
[19:47] <Private_User> hi charl
[19:47] <Private_User> hi psydroid, sorry saw you greeted earlier but I was AFK :)
[19:49] <charl> hahahhaahha http://www.elmarlecher.de/files/hurd.jpg
[19:50] <charl> hurd is used all around the world indeed
[19:51] <charl> by like 10 people
[19:52] <theblazehen> When you have :w in your text dicuments..
[19:53] <theblazehen> AND you're in vim
[19:53] <charl> ??
[19:53] <charl> how is that a problem ?
[19:55] <theblazehen> I forgot to press esc...
[19:55] <charl> lol
[19:56] <charl> oh now i get it
[19:58] <Private_User> I don't, but then again I could just be very ignorant or stupid
[19:58] <charl> lol
[19:59] <theblazehen> Private_User, you use Esc, :w to save in the vim text editor
[19:59] <charl> well you use esc to exit input mode
[19:59] <charl> and then you're in command mode
[19:59] <theblazehen> I was stil in insert mode, as I forgot to press esc, so then I typed :w
[19:59] <charl> and then you can execute commands like :w (write/save)
[19:59] <charl> insert mode, sorry :)
[19:59] <Private_User> LOL
[19:59] <Private_User> ok gotcha
[20:00] <charl> a good vim user will spend most of their time in command mode
[20:01] <theblazehen> charl, Well mainly when you're editing text, then command. But if you're creating then insert..
[20:01] <theblazehen> right?
[20:02] <Private_User> now I am feeling a bit of hunger creeping on, time to go grab some grub. chat later people
[20:02] <charl> yes
[20:04] <theblazehen> charl, got any cool vim tricks?
[20:05] <theblazehen> my favourite is gg=G
[20:05] <theblazehen> (Because I suck at indentation :( )
[20:06] <charl> hehe
[20:07] <charl> i don't really know, i'm not a vim "power user"
[20:07] <theblazehen> ah, kk
[20:07] <charl> i have little hacks like trimming whitespace off the end of each line
[20:07] <charl> with some regexp
[20:07] <charl> and sorting a bunch of lines (mostly imports / variable declarations)
[20:07] <charl> but i'm not big on plugins
[20:07] <theblazehen> I mainly use the basics. copy-paste, regex, insert, V-Line select, etc.
[20:07] <theblazehen> nice
[20:08] <charl> some stuff i use so irregularly that i just google them when i need them
[20:08] <charl> yes same here
[20:08] <charl> this is a good resource: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Vim_Tips_Wiki
[20:08] <theblazehen> I'm using the spf13 vim distribution. But mainly because it has good defaults
[20:08] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:08] <theblazehen> Really need to make my own vimrc..
[20:08] <theblazehen> cya Kilos 
[20:08] <theblazehen> charl, yeah, I know of it
[20:09] <charl> looking at http://vim.spf13.com/ now
[20:11] <charl> hmmmm http://spf13.com/post/why-i-use-spf13-vim
[20:13] <charl> interesting maybe i try it
[20:15] <theblazehen> awesome :)
[20:16] <charl> hmmmm drinking leffe bruin, awesome
[20:16] <charl> smile: ^
[20:17] <charl> :)
[20:24] <smile> charl: hehe :p
[20:24] <smile> zatlap :p
[20:25] <smile> I know you're all bored, so have a look at http://wiki.torios.org :p
[20:27] <charl> lol
[20:28] <charl> zatlap zelfst.naamw. iemand die regelmatig te veel alcohol dringt   Voorbeeld: `De zatlap maakte de hele nacht herrie. ` Bron: Wikiwoordenboek - zatlap. 
[20:28] <charl> i wouldn't say i make a habit of it :P
[20:29] <smile> :D
[20:29] <charl> if i have it right the south african translation would be "suiplap"
[20:29] <charl> but it might have been too many years
[20:30] <charl> oh yes, indeed, i speak some japanese and tori is bird
[20:32] <smile> see ya :p
[20:32] <smile> :)
[20:32] <smile> good night
[20:33] <charl> this is a good initiative to watch
[20:33] <charl> night smile
[20:33] <charl> :)
[20:33] <smile> thanks
[20:33] <charl> i'm off too
[20:33] <charl> night all
[20:44] <theblazehen> night guys
[20:45] <Private_User> man, everybody here goes to bed very early... especially for a Saturday
[20:46] <theblazehen> Private_User, you in same timezone bro?
[20:46] <theblazehen> I could carry on, but I'm bored
[20:46] <theblazehen> Doing research on "drinking and driving" is kinda boring..
[20:46] <Private_User> lol
[20:47] <Private_User> yes same time zone dude, well I am in South Africa A.K.A  ZA
[20:55] <superfly> I rarely go to bed before 11
[20:55] <superfly> my only time on the PC is after 9
[20:56] <superfly> it's called kids :-)
[20:56] <Private_User> hehe
[20:56] <Private_User> hi superfly 
[20:56] <superfly> hi Private_User
[20:57] <Private_User> theblazehen: if you bored and cannot sleep research ways to make additional cash online and how to make your money grow while sitting and doing nothing. That's my advice since I wish people told me that when I was younger like especially school time I would have not gotten bankrupt and become broke
[20:57] <Private_User> and its not the spam making cash online hey
[20:57] <Private_User> the ones that get sent to you in an email where you pay to get the info
[20:58] <Private_User> there are also some freelancing ubuntu jobs out there where you work online via one of these freelancing sites for a lient and get paid
[20:58] <theblazehen> Private_User, like those GPT sites, and surveys?
[20:58] <Private_User> *client
[20:59] <superfly> apparently there's a lot of money in advertising in Android apps and games
[20:59] <theblazehen> I might do freelancing, but I don't like dev work that much. And once I get my GPU then I'll be making R2000 per month anyway
[21:00] <superfly> theblazehen: you mean you don't like working for clients
[21:00] <theblazehen> superfly, IFAIK flappy bird creator made $50000 one day with ads
[21:00] <superfly> theblazehen: yep, and you don't want to know what others make, it's even more
[21:00] <theblazehen> superfly, nah, I'd rather be say messing with a config file, getting LDAP to work or something, than developing something
[21:00] <Private_User> theblazehen: yeah those ones are like waste of time cause I managed to download from the net what one of those sites said that I should pay for and it was information that if you really look on the net you would get for free
[21:01] <theblazehen> superfly, yeah, some make a shit ton
[21:01] <superfly> theblazehen: I'd get too bored. I prefer doing hard stuff like trying to make an electronic device use less power
[21:02] <theblazehen> My one friend lost 30k USD with the recent BTC crash. All BTC mined, or traded
[21:02] <superfly> not every day you get to work on a low level like that
[21:02] <theblazehen> superfly, ah nice
[21:02] <superfly> (turning pins on and off on an IC)
[21:03] <theblazehen> well, cya all