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lderanhttps://code.launchpad.net/~lderan/+junk/light-locker-settings-panel now with less abiguation 00:01
ochosilderan: hehe, no worries, i already pulled the other branch00:05
ochosii'll have to push the glade file to my own branch anyway...00:05
ochosii'm getting closer to this looking like a real dialog ;)00:09
ochosilderan: any particular reason you'd use a checkbox once and a gtkswitch the other time?00:10
lderanno reason00:11
lderanit is just a quick mock-up for me to use00:11
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ochosiNoskcaj: there's a new release of gmusicbrowser (1.1.12), in case you have some free time/motivation08:48
NoskcajI don't have time to do it tonight, but i've got nothing to do tomorrow except more dota, so it will get done08:49
ochosigreat!08:51
knomeany reason for:  [xubuntu-qa] Write testcase for GTK3 indicators: BLOCKED11:33
elfyother than it's not landed?11:34
elfynot sure what we could have in a testcase anyway tbh11:34
elfyit'd be a bit <<dt>Turn on the machine</dt> <dd>Indicators are in the indicator panel</dd>11:35
knomemmh, that the indicators work11:36
knomewhen clicking on them11:36
knomei mean, menus open11:36
elfyI guess so11:36
elfybut aren't they all Ubuntu things anyway?11:36
knomei guess it's partly related to working with our panel patch11:36
elfymmm11:36
knomeso not just as simple as "do the indicators work"11:37
knome [jjfrv8] Write documentation for MenuLibre: INPROGRESS11:38
knomejjfrv8, what's the status on that?11:38
elfyknome: how many of the indicators are we actually using11:42
knomeelfy, i don't know the exact number11:43
knomeelfy, and i don't we've decided on that yet11:43
elfyok11:43
knomeelfy, i mean, it depeds on which ones are shipped... it might be on a merge proposal already11:43
elfyis it even going to actually land in time 11:43
knomesure11:43
knomewe have prepared that stuff, and some of the components needed for that have landed already11:43
knomeor at least, are landing any day11:44
knomeit's not all final yet, but at least we have the new features landing so we can do with bugfixes only11:44
elfyyep - ok11:44
knomewill just have to do some smoketesting once we have them up11:44
elfydid you see my comment about removing gthumb from tracker?11:44
knomei probably did, but remind me11:45
knomeactually, nvm, i misread you :)11:45
elfyif we're dropping it then we don't need to test it :)11:45
knomeyep, let's drop it (we will not be seeding it)11:45
knomeand i already committed changes to the docs11:45
knome(dropping gthumb-related sections)11:45
elfydone for tracker 11:46
knomethanks11:46
knomehttp://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu.html looks good :11:46
knome:)11:46
knomeand so does the packges tracker for our packages...11:46
elfyindeed it does11:46
knome(yeah, lots of bugs, but also lots of tests done)11:47
knomeas soon as we hit FF, we should have more time to look at those11:47
elfyonly one 'section' left now - so we've got loads of space for things like menulibre/inds11:47
elfyso that plan worked :)11:47
knomeyep11:48
knomegood good11:49
knomeall due to your good work11:49
elfylol thanks 11:49
elfythough it's not just me :)11:51
knomeno, but the you've organized it11:52
knomewhich has worked really good11:52
elfy:)11:52
elfyusing trello worked11:52
knomedon't know about that ;)11:53
knomei mean, apparently it did work11:53
elfyha ha ha 11:53
knomebut i don't know much about trello11:53
knomeor *how* it worked11:53
elfyI put all my scraps of paper on it so the rest of -qa had them as well :p11:53
knomelol11:53
knomeworksforme11:53
elfyandus11:54
knomeyep11:54
* elfy finally gets time to read the meeting 12:01
knome:)12:03
elfylderan: in the meeting you've got "lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basix Xubuntu tests " what's that about? autopilot?12:13
jjfrv8knome, which MenuLibre documentation are you asking about: ours or upstream?12:14
knomejjfrv8, both12:16
jjfrv8well, I already drafted the section for our docs, but it referred to the current app menu12:17
knomeokay12:17
jjfrv8I don't know what the status is now, still confused about the decision at the meeting12:17
knomeshouldn't be too different from whiskermenu12:17
knomewe will use whiskermenu12:17
jjfrv8it sounded like both would be in the panel by default. no?12:18
knomeno12:18
knomewe will replace the appmenu with whiskermenu12:18
jjfrv8ok12:18
* elfy is just looking at the doku stuff for menulibre - try and get testcase done today12:18
knomeelfy, ooh, nice12:19
jjfrv8bluesabre has the upstream version pretty complete but he's supposed to be releasing an updated app version this weekend12:19
knomeokay12:19
jjfrv8that will mean some mods to the docs12:19
knomeochosi, do you happen to know if that changes much re: docs?12:19
ochosielfy: as an example for indicators-test-case: install indicator-messages and test whether it works with our default apps (pidgin, thunderbird)12:19
knomejjfrv8, oh, right, you talked with him?12:19
knomeochosi, "install" ?12:20
ochosielfy: but it's true that a bugreport might still go against upstream/ubuntu12:20
ochosiknome: we don't have additional indicators in the seed yet12:20
knomeokay12:20
ochosisry, not sure about menulibre docs12:20
ochosiwasn't involved in those at all12:20
elfyochosi: if thunderbird is supposed to be in the menu then there's something up here12:21
knomebut the testcases should still match the "final" situation12:21
knomethat meaning, if we're about to ship indicator-messages, then we should expect it's installed12:21
ochosielfy: i thought that new mail and stuff should be there, but i haven't been able to use that indicator for so long (and now i don't use tb anymore)12:21
elfypidgin/xchat are there 12:21
ochosiknome: yeah, actually we should decide on what indicators to ship12:21
knomeochosi, add it to the meeting agenda and we'll decide on the next meeting12:22
knome...which we should schedule12:22
* elfy has minor panic wondering how hobgolin was logging in - and blames ochosi for making him press the pidgin button12:24
knomelol12:24
ochosihehe12:24
elfyfor the moment I'll assume we'll have at -messages, -sound, -network 12:25
elfyare we ignoring the date/time one and keeping the other?12:25
knomethere was a bug re: the datetime one, see the blueprint12:25
* elfy remembers now he sees that12:26
ochosii'll also propose -power12:29
ochosibecause i patched it upstream to work with xfce4-powermanager12:29
knomeyes please12:29
knomethat's useful with laptops :P12:29
ochosiit's nicer than the tray, displays remaining battery-time optionally12:31
ochosionly drawback is you cannot hide/show it conditionally yet in xubuntu12:31
knomedon't really know why you'd want to hide it12:31
ochosisame as with xfce4-powerman i guess: "only show when battery is present", "only show when charging/discharging", "always show", "always hide"12:32
ochosiwe'll have to see whether we can set it to "only show when battery is present" by default in xubuntu12:33
ochosi(some gsettings or dconf thingy)12:33
knomeochosi, that's unrelated12:34
knomeochosi, my point is, why would you want to hide it anyway12:34
ochosie.g. if you don't have a laptop?12:34
ochosiand therefore no battery12:34
ochosioh12:35
knome"oh!"12:35
knome:D12:35
knomehaha..12:35
ochosiactually i just saw that it's set to that by default :)12:35
knomewell you can just uninstall the package in that case...12:35
ochosiso lucky us12:35
ochosiyou can also right-click the indicator-plugin and hide the battery directly there12:35
ochosiso there are plenty of options12:36
knomeyyep12:36
ochosijust "charge" isn't easy to set12:36
knomenot a big deal12:36
knome"charge"?12:36
ochosi"only show when charging"12:36
knomeright12:36
knomethat's a weird mode...12:36
elfyso how do you get this power indicator to show up then :p setting show icon in power doesn't use that - I get the other icon12:36
GridCube:D so we are using wishkersmenu? :D thats awesome12:37
knomeonly two days late... :P12:37
ochosielfy: "the other icon"?12:37
ochosielfy: i presume you have a laptop, not a desktop?12:38
elfydesktop12:38
ochosihaha12:38
ochosidid you not read what i said before?12:38
elfyso - that's good - can't write testcase :p12:38
ochosiby default, it's only shown when a battery is *present* (hence the name of the mode)12:38
ochosi:)12:38
elfyochosi: I had a 14 year old yabbering in my ear about cinema prices ... 12:39
ochosihihi12:39
ochosifair enough12:39
ochosijust give him 20bucks and send him off ;)12:39
elfyshe got that alreadyy ... 12:39
ochosioh, a girl, sry12:40
knomehaha12:40
elfythankfully someone else get's the pleasure of 6 14 year olds tonight ... woohoo12:40
elfyochosi: np - you didn't know :)12:40
ochosihaha nice12:40
GridCubeknome, P: i re-read the meeting logs and it just said "to be discussed later" on the wishkers menu issue O:12:40
jjfrv8ochosi, do you know how I can get whiskermenu to call MenuLibre? It's listed in 'Commands', but no icon showing for it.12:41
elfyjjfrv8: right click - edit applications12:41
jjfrv8is checked12:42
ochositrue, weird12:42
elfyclicking that opens menulibre here12:42
jjfrv8yeah, but it's working on app menu, not whisker12:42
ochosiit's disabled for me12:42
elfymmm - never worked on app menu for me 12:43
ochosihaha, menulibre wasn't installedd12:43
elfy\o/ 12:43
elfynot just me then :p12:43
* knome facepalms12:43
ochosijjfrv8: worksforme ;D12:43
knomebluesabre, stop hiding!12:43
ochosielfy: yeah, unfortunately and unlike you i don't have a good excuse...12:44
elfyha ha ha 12:44
bluesabreknome: one channel at a time12:44
knomebluesabre, then let it be this :P12:44
bluesabreyou all talk too much, make it hard to catch up :D12:44
elfybluesabre: have a leaf from my book - ignore what you missed :)12:44
knomebluesabre, i'm not talking, i'm typing...12:46
jjfrv8doesn't work for me. I would expect to see five icons since I have five commands checked: http://imagebin.org/29350312:50
jjfrv8but I only see four.12:50
ochosijjfrv8: the edit-menu thing is in the right-click menu12:51
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jjfrv8yeah, it's there but when I click on that I get the app menu in ManuLibre12:52
jjfrv8so I can't get there from here :(12:52
ochosithere is no whisker-menu specific view in menulibre12:53
ochosimenulibre always looks the same12:53
ochosiyou can edit the launchers and the categories that launchers appear in with menulibre12:53
ochosino whisker-specific stuff there at all12:53
jjfrv8so that's going to be confusing because the entries don't match12:54
jjfrv8e.g., not Help stuff in whiskermenu12:54
knomehmm, right, the custom desktop entries in our appmenu12:55
bluesabrewe need to enable the setting in whisker "Show menu hierarchy" to make the layout match12:55
ochosibluesabre: yes, that is, if we want that12:56
ochosiknome: ?12:56
bluesabreright, if you want the matching layout12:56
knome"contribute to xubuntu"12:56
ochosijjfrv8: i understand the confusion, best to submit an issue upstream about it on github12:56
knomeare those visible in whiskermenu/menulibre by default?12:57
ochosiknome: we can define the favorites ourselves12:57
elfybluesabre: just a small thing here - wording for the tooptip on hide from menu's in menulibre might do with rewording a bit, 'tons of good reasons' seems a bit odd12:57
bluesabrewe could add a "Xubuntu" directory, or add to favorites12:57
knomewell exactly12:57
knomewe should do that12:57
elfyhttp://imagebin.org/29350412:57
ochosiyup12:57
ochosiknome: they are visible12:57
knomeochosi, would you *please* add that to a blueprint?12:57
knomeochosi, we might also want to rethink them12:57
bluesabreelfy, taken straight from the desktop spec12:58
ochosielfy: that is a looooong tooltip :p12:58
knomeochosi, we could do with just the "help" item, and just advertise the other items better in the help start page12:58
bluesabrehttp://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html12:58
elfyochosi: indeed - I try not to hover 12:58
ochosiknome: yeah, i'd second that12:58
bluesabreI will fix the not being a mile long today12:58
bluesabrestupid gtk3 bug12:59
elfybluesabre: that is a really childish spec lol12:59
elfytons of good reasons ... kind of stuff :p12:59
ochosibtw, a nice feat of whisker is that ppl can easily adjust the icon-size13:00
elfyunless you wrote it in which case it looks really good 13:00
ochosi(the appmenu can be really small)13:00
ochosielfy: opportunist!13:00
elfy:)13:00
bluesabreyeah, I should probably rewrite the hints13:01
elfyI would do it - but I'd have no idea how 13:02
ochosishimmer-themes (1.7.0-0ubuntu1) trusty: Accepted13:02
ochosi\o/13:03
knomewoot13:03
elfyochosi: nice 13:03
ochosiwe're looking surprisingly good suddenly13:03
elfycan I remove that ppa soon then13:03
ochosiand i'm not just punning on the artwork update ;)13:03
elfyha ha ha 13:03
ochosielfy: yeah, you can13:05
bluesabreochosi: yes, yes you were13:05
ochosi;D13:05
jjfrv8so... I'm easily confused. Are we going to do something to make the entries you see in whiskermenu look more like the ones in appmenu?13:10
jjfrv8appmenu has a mixture of launchers and directories on the main screen, whisker only has directories (plus Recent and Faves)13:12
knomejjfrv8, no, whiskermenu is a bit different13:23
knomejjfrv8, we were just discussing of adding the things we have on the "root" of appmenu to favorites13:23
jjfrv8okay, but it seems to me that doesn't resolve the confusion about seeing a completely different looking hierarchy when you launch MenuLibre13:25
ochosiit's not completely different13:25
ochosibut yeah, i guess menulibre 1.0's main view was easier with menulibre ;)13:26
jjfrv8bluesabre, are you still planning on adding the ability to put a launcher into a new directory?13:28
bluesabrethats the plan13:28
jjfrv8I've just been fooling with it here as we were talking to see if stuff I added would show up in whiskermenu, and I can't get a new directory to show up in either.13:29
bluesabrejjfrv8: test something for me? add your new directory, save it, then move it13:54
jjfrv8weird stuff. I created a new directory called 'Test'. After saving and exiting MenuLibre, it didn't show up in either menu, but...13:55
jjfrv8when I went back into menulibre, it was called 'Test2'.  Then I moved it per your request. Exited and came back. Gone.13:56
elfycan't get a directory to show here either13:58
jjfrv8in terminal, I'm getting a (menulibre:5222): Gtk-CRITICAL error.13:59
elfybluesabre: http://pastebin.com/AUQKfsJv13:59
bluesabrethese ones (menulibre:7040): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_get_iter: assertion 'path->depth > 0' failed14:00
bluesabreare seemingly unavoidable, and not really a problem14:01
jjfrv8ok14:01
bluesabreok, stop testing on these today, I'll poke the code some more and try to get these fixed14:01
jjfrv8k, thanks.14:02
elfythanks bluesabre 14:04
GridCubei have a question, even though i love the idea of using whiskersmenu, in the pop-up menu on the desktop, at the bottom there will be the appmenu right? so both will still be there14:54
GridCube?14:54
elfyI don't think that is the plan GridCube - just whiskermenu14:55
GridCubethen the menu in the contextual popup will dissapear? or it will call whiskers?14:55
elfyno idea GridCube 14:56
GridCube:) 14:56
GridCubeok just bringing it out because i though about it14:56
elfya meeting would be the best time for that - I know I'll forget :p14:56
* GridCube would not be really bothered if it went away from the contextual menu14:56
ali12341is there a way to make mousepad open files in the existing window?15:22
ochosiali12341: this must be your lucky day, a patch was posted yesterday about that: http://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=459815:26
ali12341well, that's pretty cool15:26
ochosimousepad needs a settings-dialog though15:26
ochosicodebrainz said there are quite a few patches floating around15:27
ali12341that person is on #xfce-dev15:27
ochosiyes, that's where he talked about the patch 12hrs ago or so :)15:27
ali12341i don't think it does need a settings dialog tbh15:27
ochosiwell, seems like many of the proposed patches bring new options15:28
ali12341why make them options though?15:30
ali12341just enable them all the time15:30
ochosii dunno what other patches there are15:31
ali12341opening new window should be a command line option15:31
ochosiit's been a while since i poked around in the mousepad bugzilla15:31
ali12341since it has no effect other than when you run it from command line15:31
ochosii suggest you update the patch and ping codebrainz15:31
ochosihe's generally quite open to merging stuff in15:32
ali12341hmm so a config panel is the blocker?15:32
ali12341i don't know how to make config panels though15:33
ochosino, i meant:15:33
ochosiupdate the patch so that it becomes a commandline option like you suggested15:33
ochosii think that makes sense15:33
ochosithat way it's not an option that needs to be in a menu or anything15:33
ochosilderan: by the way, the fourth option isn't a light-locker option. you need to use the python equivalent of XSetScreenSaver15:37
lderanaye was going to ask about that after i've finished with the light-locker specific options15:38
lderanthanks15:38
ochosisure, no problem15:39
ochosibasically all you need is XSetScreenSaver and XGetScreenSaver15:40
ochosiand probably XScreenSaverQueryExtension15:40
ochosi(to see whether the extension is available, which it should be by defualt in xubunt)15:41
elfyochosi: ind panel testcase is there for review, I've not bothered with date nor keyboard at the moment, neither appear to work here, so it is just sound, messaging and network at the moment15:43
ochosielfy: link?15:44
elfyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1280605/+merge/20658215:44
ochosielfy: sounds good to me. although testing one music-player in the soundmenu might suffice15:46
elfywell - reason I added that was with clementine - there is a playlist option :)15:47
ochosiok15:47
ochosivery few players have that option15:47
elfy:)15:48
ochosi*very*15:48
ochosi:)15:48
elfybest make clementine default then :p15:48
ochosiit's qt, remember?15:48
elfynot that I've never said that before lol 15:48
elfyyea I remember that too :p15:48
ochosiok, good :)15:48
ochosiwant help on indicator-power?15:48
elfyhelp?15:49
elfyif I can I will15:49
elfyre the indicator one - I'll get knome or slickymaster to look - then we can get it on the tracker and available for when they land15:50
ochosiwell i just thought since you don't see the power-indicator, i can help you with the testcase15:50
elfyoic - that would be great :)15:50
ochosiok :)15:50
ochosielfy: http://dpaste.com/1623381/15:54
ochosiali12341: or motivate byuu to modify the patch ;)15:54
elfyochosi: cheers :)15:54
ochosielfy: np ;)15:55
ochosielfy: and after the meeting i have to say i'm sorry if you feel that testing is underappreciated, i think everyone here is very grateful for your work. and yeah, it's not easy to motivate other ppl to test...15:56
ochosi(and testing obviously makes sense and in comparison to other flavors, you're really making xubuntu shine)15:56
elfythanks ochosi 15:57
elfyochosi: ok - that's up for merge now as well - that was easy :p16:03
bluesabrelderan: let me know if you need some help16:03
lderanbluesabre, will do16:03
ochosielfy: cool16:05
elfyI'll try and get whiskermenu done now I've got the right head on 16:05
lderanbluesabre, actually one thing, the spin buttons that i've got don't seem to be working very well. the steppers dont work and i can't type into them. Probably have clicked something glade :P16:07
bluesabrelderan: I think for spin buttons you have to add an adjustment to be able to operate16:08
lderanah thanks16:08
elfyochosi bluesabre - so how detailed do we want whiskermenu testcase?16:11
ochosihm, it's just a menu16:11
ochosiso i guess, "can you interact with the menu"16:11
ochosiuse the searchbox to launch an app16:11
ochosistuff like that16:11
ochosino need to go into the settings16:11
ochosiwe'll try to provide sensible defaults anyway16:12
ochosiand the rest is up to everyone themselves16:12
bluesabredo we ship the xubuntu icon default yet?16:12
bluesabreor will that be x-d-s16:12
elfyochosi: okey doke16:13
ochosibluesabre: you mean for the whiskermenu?16:14
bluesabreyes16:14
ochosino, actually x-d-s hasn't received any of the new panel layout16:14
ochosithat includes the settings16:14
ochosimicahg: when do you plan to upload xubuntu-default-settings?16:16
bluesabre(and before that, merges)16:17
ochosiyeah, obviously :)16:19
ochosii'm mostly wondering whether it makes sense to start working on the panel layout now16:19
knomejjfrv8, slickymaster: around?16:34
elfyochosi: ok - so opening from menu, search box and opens, adding to favourites, recently used is populated, clears - that sort of thing 16:43
ochosielfy: yeah, although i'm not sure if recently is populated on a clean box...16:44
elfywell it would be after you'd opened some thing in the testcase :)16:44
elfyochosi: what about the settings button/lock screen/logout things - want them in the test?16:45
knomeelfy, one of my first bigger contirbutions to FOSS: http://blog.knome.fi/files/2007/07/splash-enhanced-1407-2054.png16:45
elfywell I have to say I have seen that :)16:45
knomecan't remember where/what the original photo is, but good eyes can actually recognise at least of one the persons in the splash :P16:46
ochosiknome: are those cool kids in the background your friends? ;)16:47
knomeochosi, nope, they are amarok/kde contributors16:47
ochosielfy: not sure, somehow these buttons/functions seem like parts of other tests, but up to you16:47
knome"kids", aiaiai16:47
* ochosi is old16:47
knomehah16:48
elfyochosi: they are all tested elsewhere - I'll leave them then16:48
* elfy isn't 16:48
ochosielfy: ok cool16:48
jjfrv8knome, what's up?16:54
bluesabreUnit193, other packagers, let me know if there is anything else I should change with the packaging :)17:00
bluesabrehttps://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/lightdm-gtk-greeter-trusty/+packages17:00
bluesabre(before sending it off to the sponsors)17:00
knomejjfrv8, we will most probably have a new upload for the slideshow next week, would you like to set up a sprint to get some things done for that, so it would land in the beta images?17:03
knomejjfrv8, like, monday or tuesday17:03
jjfrv8things like what?17:04
knomewe probably want to highlight some of the cool features we have rather than the applications17:07
knomeso a slide on customizable desktop17:07
knomemaybe something about menulibre/mugshot in another17:08
knomewe don't have to put out the final stuff out yet, but it would be good to try out how that looks in the installer17:08
knomeand then it's also easier to build and modify from that17:08
jjfrv8yeah, I'd be able to put some time into it.17:10
knomeokay, what time would work best for you, if we had a sprint?17:10
knomearound 19UTC'ish good, or later?17:10
jjfrv8today?17:10
knomemonday or tuesday17:10
elfyochosi: ok - so whiskermenu is there as well now https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1280608/+merge/20658617:10
knomeor tomorrow pre 19UTC17:11
jjfrv8tomorrow's not so good. I'm snowbound today. Monday & Tuesday would have to be pre-1900.17:12
elfyknome: there's a couple of testcase mp's there if you get chance17:12
knomeelfy, i'll look at them later today, ta :)17:12
knomejjfrv8, mon/tue pre-19 works for me as well. what would be the best time for you? i can usually stretch my schedule17:13
elfyknome: also when we get them on the tracker - I'm thinking that maybe have them as seperate on the tracker till 14.10, then move them into the main groups17:13
knomeelfy, worksforme17:13
elfylol - a lot of this worksforme going on atm :p17:13
jjfrv8I'd say Monday or Tuesday starting at 14.17:14
knomejjfrv8, somewhere around 14 sounds good. monday?17:15
jjfrv8sure17:15
knomegreat, i'll try to catch slickymaster as well17:16
knomeand put that down on my calendar17:16
jjfrv8subject to emergencies at the real job :)17:16
knomesure17:16
knomejust tell us if something comes up17:16
jjfrv8is there anything I could do in advance today?17:18
knomeanything and everything; basically, if you have any ideas for the slideshow, or want to draft the content, feel free to do so17:18
knomedid i already tell how you can test the slideshow?17:19
jjfrv8yes17:19
jjfrv8I'll see if I can find it :)17:19
knomeok, cool17:19
knomewell, in the slideshow branch root, ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu17:19
knomeslides are in html, inside slideshows/xubuntu17:20
knomesee index.html if you want to add/remove slides17:20
jjfrv8yup, got it now. thx.17:20
knomeit's pretty straightforward, most of the logic is outside the files we need to poke17:20
knomegood17:20
knomelet me see if i had something planned...17:20
knomenot here at least :)17:21
knomemight have something on the laptop, will put that into a pad later if i have17:22
jjfrv8k17:22
knomei'm pretty certain we're thinking along the same lines though17:23
knomei guess the only thing to remember with the slideshow is that we don't need "marketing speech" there17:23
knomethat should be saved for the website17:23
knomethe slideshow should dig a bit deeper and introduce and inspire users to (do) things they can do after the installation17:24
knome(or if they are running the live session, during the installation)17:24
jjfrv8good points17:25
jjfrv8I'll start playing around with it17:25
knomethanks :)17:25
knomei might be around later today as well17:26
knomewell, probably will17:26
knomebut not sure in what quantity or motivation :)17:26
jjfrv8hehe17:26
knomeok, i'm off for now17:28
knomesee you later17:28
GridCubeelfy, im testing todays image and boy the wallpaper selection thing is broken17:37
brainwash_broken?17:38
GridCubeyes17:38
brainwash_not working at all?17:38
brainwash_I assume that you are talking about xfdesktop-settings17:39
GridCubefirst you are presented with an empty wallpaper list, second if you choose a folder where to choose wallapers its set up to fill the screen, you can not change it to any of the other options, like centered, proportional, tiled, none of that work, neither works choosing "empty"17:40
GridCubeif you close the selector and reopen it the list is empty again17:40
brainwash_https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068517:41
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 10685 in General "wallpaper thumbnails are missing sometimes" [Minor,New]17:41
GridCubemore like all times17:42
brainwash_do the wallpaper previews show up when you click on the list area?17:43
elfyno17:44
elfyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/127171317:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1271713 in xfdesktop "xubuntu 14.04 trusty thar desktop wallpapers selection shows empty" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:44
GridCubeno brainwash_ 17:44
brainwash_so the current selected folder does not contain any pictures? :D17:45
GridCubeno17:45
elfyit should at least include the one that it's using17:45
GridCubehttp://goput.it/b34h.png17:45
GridCubeits not17:46
brainwash_but you have to select a folder17:46
GridCubeits not there17:46
brainwash_you've already filed a report, so maybe it will get fixed17:48
brainwash_the obvious solution would be to set the path via xubuntu-default-settings17:49
GridCubehttp://goput.it/str/n7k2.png17:49
brainwash_if it's missing17:49
GridCubehttp://goput.it/str/8cut.png17:49
GridCubei guess17:50
GridCubethere, reported elfy :D17:56
GridCubei did a thing today! /o/17:56
elfy:)17:57
brainwash_I did not test the iso, but if I remove my xfdesktop config, restart the session and open xfdesktop-settings, I'm presented with the wallpapers from the backdrops folder18:07
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Noskcajochosi, Alioth is still broken, i think i'll have to make a bzr branch of gmusicbrowser19:46
knomejjfrv8, i'm back19:47
ochosiNoskcaj: oh, i see...19:47
jjfrv8knome, welcome back19:47
ochosiwell it's a bugfix release, if you take a look at the changelog, that's very clear19:47
ochosiso i think it won't need a FFe, even if it's ready later19:47
jjfrv8I've been re-familiarizing myself with the slideshow logistics and have started on a mugshot slide19:48
Noskcajyeah. I'll make the bzr branch anyway, since we don't know how long alioth will be down (1 month so far)19:48
knomejjfrv8, let's group menulibre in the same slide19:48
jjfrv8hmmm19:48
knomejjfrv8, note: we can drop the image and show more text than currently19:49
jjfrv8I see19:49
knomejust have to work out the css, but that's completely doable19:49
knomehttps://code.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/newstartpage19:51
knomefor anyone interested19:51
Unit193jjfrv8: Howdy.  So I'm supposed to add a new table part, I've added it to guide-default-apps.xml.  It might not be in the right section or formatted correctly, but has the correct information: https://unit193.net/xubuntu-testing/desktop-guide/guide-default-apps.html#application-table how would you make it less bad? :P19:52
jjfrv8howdy, Unit193, I'll take a look shortly19:54
knomeUnit193, leap of faith. pushed an update to the translation template ;)19:58
Unit193Uh oh.19:58
knome:)19:58
knomeif it fails... well, we can fish up the the translated strings from the old .pos19:59
Unit193I'll have a clean branch here, so I could merge the strings in.20:00
knomelet's see what happens20:00
Unit193https://unit193.net/xubuntu-testing/ also, doesn't look too bad. :P20:01
knomenope.20:02
knomethe language list is still hardcoded though20:02
knomeany ideas how to make it dynamic on build-time, and is there any way we can get real language names?20:02
ochosiUnit193: don't forget to check bluesabre's branch for the greeter ;)20:04
bluesabreNoskcaj, Unit193: anything you think I should change about this package? https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/lightdm-gtk-greeter-trusty/+packages20:06
Unit193Why is everybody asking meee things? :P20:06
Unit193knome: Language-Team in the po files? :/20:06
ochosiUnit193: you're the a pro packager, everyone knows that ;)20:06
Unit193knome: sed -n /Language-Team:/p *.po | awk '{print $2}'   I don't know if gettext has something that already shows info on the po files.20:07
Noskcajbluesabre, Looks pretty good, let's see what someone with upload rights says20:08
bluesabrealrighty, I'll get started on the next steps20:09
* Unit193 likes how blues overwrites the manpage warning. :P20:09
bluesabreUnit193: that actually came from debian :)20:09
Unit193bluesabre: How do you run lintian?20:10
bluesabrelintian *.dsc20:11
bluesabreI always forget the "proper" way to do it20:11
jjfrv8knome, I don't see the "Xubuntu is a community-developed..." paragraph on the new page but it looks like it's still there in the diffs. Am I missing something?20:12
Unit193If you run it on the changes file, it'll check both the source and binary package.  I personally use lintian --pedantic -E -I20:12
knomejjfrv8, as a comment20:13
Unit193Also under "Get Involved"20:13
jjfrv8oh20:14
Unit193knome: Like my hacky way to get the string names?20:22
knomeUnit193, if it works, and there isn't any easier way, i don't mind it. want to create a makefile that works that magic? :>20:23
Unit193Whhhy?  It'll just get stuck in merges. :>20:23
knomenot really20:24
Unit193Uhh, I could look into it, but remember that I'm not good with Makefiles.20:24
Unit193knome: That was my cheap copout. :P20:24
knomeyeah, you can do it20:24
knomehmm, didn't i merge the linguas branch yet? was there any reason not to?20:25
knomedid you want a code sanity check?20:25
Unit193You know makefiles?  And sure, any review would be good.20:26
bluesabreUnit193: familiar with the new tag debian-watch-may-check-gpg-signature?20:26
Unit193bluesabre: Yes.  But you aren't signing your release tarballs are you?20:27
bluesabreno, so that will go away when they are properly signed then?20:27
bluesabreor, the release tarballs20:27
Unit193Nope.20:27
bluesabreI ship a .asc with them20:28
Unit193It's how your watch file is formatted, it'll check the tarball against your sig if it can find it, and it'll want you to ship a .gpg sig to confirm it against.20:28
bluesabreI see20:29
Unit193http://lintian.debian.org/tags/debian-watch-may-check-gpg-signature.html20:29
bluesabreyeah, I see that20:30
bluesabrenot particularly helpful20:30
brainwash_ochosi: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/fehlerhafte-darstellung-beim-panel-und-beim-lo/20:35
brainwash_:D20:35
Unit193Not likely anyone will want it, but I have zsync that doesn't backup files to .zs-old, and can also work over https connections.20:38
brainwash_Unit193: xfce4-indicator-plugin for trusty is not a git snapshot, right?20:39
Unit193Right.20:39
brainwash_mmh, we need the latest upstream fixes20:40
brainwash_soon I guess20:40
Unit193brainwash_: The story I got was that those were bug fixes, thus could go in later if 2.2.0 was in now.20:48
bluesabreknome: have a relevant upload poke? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/128067020:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1280670 in lightdm-gtk-greeter (Ubuntu) "Please merge lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.1-1 from Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:54
Unit193knome: Still alive and kicking?21:18
bluesabreknome: poke21:20
bluesabreknome: nudge21:20
bluesabreknome: ping21:20
bluesabre:)21:20
Unit193knome: Poke21:20
Unit193knome: Poke21:20
Unit193knome: Poke21:20
Unit193knome: Poke21:20
Unit193bluesabre: Super fast!21:20
bluesabre:D21:21
Unit193bluesabre: Subscribe the right team and it'll show up on the queue.21:21
bluesabreah21:21
bluesabrewhich team to subscribe?21:21
Unit193ubuntu sponsors?21:21
bluesabreah21:22
bluesabreso that team I already subscribed?21:22
Unit193Could also try to do a bzr merge into lp:ubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter (I do this by branching, then rsync -avhP --delete-after mysource/ theirbzr/ --exclude .bzr )21:22
Unit193bluesabre: Yep, and it's showing on the queue.21:23
bluesabreright21:23
* bluesabre isn't sure what the original problem was21:23
Unit193I got it outputting the correct html lines, but of course you can't just tag them on the end of the html document.21:26
Unit193(Basically, I'm turning the makefile into a bash file. >_> )21:26
Unit193bluesabre: Hey, are you good with makefiles and have a sec?21:26
bluesabreI am pretty midocre at makefiles21:27
bluesabreand spelling21:27
bluesabremediocre?21:27
* bluesabre googles21:27
bluesabrewin21:27
Unit193https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/linguas/+merge/205281 the makefile in there works for me, but...21:29
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/erJMYlalvmkDO8TByBJM/ that's even worse, even for a bash file. :P21:30
ali12341what is it supposed to do?21:32
bluesabrelooks like just translations?21:32
ali12341why do you echo to sed and then awk?21:33
ali12341why not just echo what you want in the first place?21:34
Unit193That's actually ;, not |21:36
ali12341what does /p do?21:37
Unit193text here; dynamic text here.  Print, it's for the -n flag.21:37
ali12341so that sed is really a grep?21:38
Unit193>_<21:38
Unit193Yes.21:38
brainwash_ubuntu wiki won't let me login once again :/21:39
Unit193Welp, horrey for overcomplicating.  I was thinking doing it all with sed, but with awk print it's easier, so I guess left that sed in there.21:39
brainwash_we need to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators21:39
ali12341oh i see what youre doing21:39
ali12341building an index to every translation right?21:40
Unit193Exactly.21:40
Unit193(Also now I s/sed/grep/)21:40
ali12341so you want to cat header.html > index.html; for loop; cat footer.html >> index.html21:41
Unit193That's what I was thinking, yeah.21:41
Unit193Not sure of another way to do it.21:41
ali12341inside the forloop get rid of the echo and print everything with awk and then redirect it to the output file >>21:41
Unit193https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/432754992634544128 well fun.21:42
ali12341maybe it won't be super slow afterwards21:42
bluesabrebahhhhh21:42
Unit193ali12341: I was having problems with that because single quotes of course would have actually put the vars as is in (So, would have actually printed $lang), and double quotes didn't seem to work with awk well when I tried.21:44
Unit193But I don't know what I'm doing wrong.21:45
ali12341yeah escaping is always a problem when you try to use bash or make or anything like that21:45
Unit193So, I used echo, because I know how that works.  I agree, I'd like to put it all in an awk call (but don't know how to grep with awk)21:46
ali12341what i do is just write it in python21:46
Unit193Hah. :D21:46
jjfrv8Unit193, getting back to you on those application tables...21:46
jjfrv8I can see why we would want the first table but why the "Behind the scenes" one?21:46
Unit193jjfrv8: In case the removal of an application removes one of those, someone builds up from the mini.iso, or someone installs -core.21:50
jjfrv8ah. Well I don't know how to make it any less bad then ;)21:51
jjfrv8We'll just have to figure out the best way to introduce/explain it, I guess.21:52
Unit193Crap, I had hoped you'd be able to work magic on it.21:52
Unit193ali12341: Well in theory I can actually put it in awk, just drop the quotes and escape the spaces.21:53
Unit193awk {print\ $$2\ \"</a></li>\"}21:55
Unit193Single quote the $$221:55
knomejjfrv8, fwiw, my problem with the app table was "it's too clumsy/cluttered"21:56
knomejjfrv8, and i thought we could add it as an appendix, or so21:57
knomejjfrv8, if it was an appendix, it wouldn't need to be very pretty21:57
jjfrv8yeah, I like the appendix idea21:57
Unit193(Second half of the first one likely should be marked that it's in the Settings Manager)21:59
knomejjfrv8, Unit193: then it could be even closer to "packages shipped with xubuntu" (but non-exhaustive, not listing all dependencies of course)22:00
knomethough i don't mind any format you find useful22:00
Unit193knome: Right, I was looking at the list above what I was writing and the seedfile.  I figured gmusicbrowser, gimp, firefox, and thunderbird were all too clear to bother adding.22:01
knomemhm, but if it's moved to appendice, i don't think it's a bad idea to mention those22:01
knomeor not mention22:01
* knome shrugs22:01
knomeas long as it is a simple list, and the "guide for default applications" is still useful for beginners22:02
Unit193Makes sense.22:03
knomein the appendix, we might want to consider giving help how to view the full list of packages pulled in by -default, -default-settings, -core22:03
knome(-artwork?)22:03
Unit193Have fun. :D22:03
knomea mention of the metapackages is probably a good idea at least22:03
knomeerr, again, with full list i'm talking about first level dependencies22:03
knomeerr, s/-default/-desktop22:04
knomeand i was simply referring to22:05
knomesudo apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop22:05
knomeor a web interface for similar list22:05
Unit193If you read full scrollback, best idea was to remove the cp -r call in startpage:, and cp xubuntu-docs.css logo_title_welcome.png reset.css  into the build dir, and copy or cat header.html, run the loop, then cat footer.html > xubuntu-index.html22:05
knomeheader/footer being anything before/after the language list?22:06
Unit193Yes.22:06
knomethat's a bit meh.22:06
knomei mean, in the sense of having .html files that aren't valid22:07
Unit193header.ht.src ? :D22:07
knomeyeah, that would be better really22:07
Unit193Haha. :D22:07
knomei know it's only file extensions..22:07
Unit193Still thinking my hack might be a bit hacky.22:08
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/mSN0y4jbD4Qil4ICyRFO/22:09
knomei'm thinking if it really was too hard to create the all languages html part, and replace a specified variable in the file with that22:09
Unit193And right now, I have both makefiles updating LINGUAS, of course that should be changed later (Needed it for testing since I'm only running the one.)22:09
jjfrv8bbl22:10
knomemhm22:10
knomejjfrv8, oh dang, was just about to ask you where you got with the slideshow :D22:10
knomeochosi, when will you have a .tar.gz that's compatible with the panel layout changer ready for the new layout?22:11
lderanbluesabre, mmm would it be okay to store the x11 screensaver time in ~/.Xresources or is there a command line way of setting it?22:34
bluesabrelderan: if the setting works in .Xresources, thats likely the only way to keep that setting across sessions22:34
lderanrighteo22:35
wabblahi, is there a standard workflow for an package, which was currently updated in testing, going into Ubuntu Trusty? is it done automatically or manually?22:45
wabblatesting: i mean Debian Testing22:46
Unit193If there is Ubuntu delta, it won't be automatic.22:51
wabblait seems to be "vanilla" debian: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/mixxx22:58

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