[00:01] <lderan> https://code.launchpad.net/~lderan/+junk/light-locker-settings-panel now with less abiguation 
[00:05] <ochosi> lderan: hehe, no worries, i already pulled the other branch
[00:05] <ochosi> i'll have to push the glade file to my own branch anyway...
[00:09] <ochosi> i'm getting closer to this looking like a real dialog ;)
[00:10] <ochosi> lderan: any particular reason you'd use a checkbox once and a gtkswitch the other time?
[00:11] <lderan> no reason
[00:11] <lderan> it is just a quick mock-up for me to use
[08:48] <ochosi> Noskcaj: there's a new release of gmusicbrowser (1.1.12), in case you have some free time/motivation
[08:49] <Noskcaj> I don't have time to do it tonight, but i've got nothing to do tomorrow except more dota, so it will get done
[08:51] <ochosi> great!
[11:33] <knome> any reason for:  [xubuntu-qa] Write testcase for GTK3 indicators: BLOCKED
[11:34] <elfy> other than it's not landed?
[11:34] <elfy> not sure what we could have in a testcase anyway tbh
[11:35] <elfy> it'd be a bit <<dt>Turn on the machine</dt> <dd>Indicators are in the indicator panel</dd>
[11:36] <knome> mmh, that the indicators work
[11:36] <knome> when clicking on them
[11:36] <knome> i mean, menus open
[11:36] <elfy> I guess so
[11:36] <elfy> but aren't they all Ubuntu things anyway?
[11:36] <knome> i guess it's partly related to working with our panel patch
[11:36] <elfy> mmm
[11:37] <knome> so not just as simple as "do the indicators work"
[11:38] <knome>  [jjfrv8] Write documentation for MenuLibre: INPROGRESS
[11:38] <knome> jjfrv8, what's the status on that?
[11:42] <elfy> knome: how many of the indicators are we actually using
[11:43] <knome> elfy, i don't know the exact number
[11:43] <knome> elfy, and i don't we've decided on that yet
[11:43] <elfy> ok
[11:43] <knome> elfy, i mean, it depeds on which ones are shipped... it might be on a merge proposal already
[11:43] <elfy> is it even going to actually land in time 
[11:43] <knome> sure
[11:43] <knome> we have prepared that stuff, and some of the components needed for that have landed already
[11:44] <knome> or at least, are landing any day
[11:44] <knome> it's not all final yet, but at least we have the new features landing so we can do with bugfixes only
[11:44] <elfy> yep - ok
[11:44] <knome> will just have to do some smoketesting once we have them up
[11:44] <elfy> did you see my comment about removing gthumb from tracker?
[11:45] <knome> i probably did, but remind me
[11:45] <knome> actually, nvm, i misread you :)
[11:45] <elfy> if we're dropping it then we don't need to test it :)
[11:45] <knome> yep, let's drop it (we will not be seeding it)
[11:45] <knome> and i already committed changes to the docs
[11:45] <knome> (dropping gthumb-related sections)
[11:46] <elfy> done for tracker 
[11:46] <knome> thanks
[11:46] <knome> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-t/group/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu.html looks good :
[11:46] <knome> :)
[11:46] <knome> and so does the packges tracker for our packages...
[11:46] <elfy> indeed it does
[11:47] <knome> (yeah, lots of bugs, but also lots of tests done)
[11:47] <knome> as soon as we hit FF, we should have more time to look at those
[11:47] <elfy> only one 'section' left now - so we've got loads of space for things like menulibre/inds
[11:47] <elfy> so that plan worked :)
[11:48] <knome> yep
[11:49] <knome> good good
[11:49] <knome> all due to your good work
[11:49] <elfy> lol thanks 
[11:51] <elfy> though it's not just me :)
[11:52] <knome> no, but the you've organized it
[11:52] <knome> which has worked really good
[11:52] <elfy> :)
[11:52] <elfy> using trello worked
[11:53] <knome> don't know about that ;)
[11:53] <knome> i mean, apparently it did work
[11:53] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[11:53] <knome> but i don't know much about trello
[11:53] <knome> or *how* it worked
[11:53] <elfy> I put all my scraps of paper on it so the rest of -qa had them as well :p
[11:53] <knome> lol
[11:53] <knome> worksforme
[11:54] <elfy> andus
[11:54] <knome> yep
[12:01]  * elfy finally gets time to read the meeting 
[12:03] <knome> :)
[12:13] <elfy> lderan: in the meeting you've got "lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basix Xubuntu tests " what's that about? autopilot?
[12:14] <jjfrv8> knome, which MenuLibre documentation are you asking about: ours or upstream?
[12:16] <knome> jjfrv8, both
[12:17] <jjfrv8> well, I already drafted the section for our docs, but it referred to the current app menu
[12:17] <knome> okay
[12:17] <jjfrv8> I don't know what the status is now, still confused about the decision at the meeting
[12:17] <knome> shouldn't be too different from whiskermenu
[12:17] <knome> we will use whiskermenu
[12:18] <jjfrv8> it sounded like both would be in the panel by default. no?
[12:18] <knome> no
[12:18] <knome> we will replace the appmenu with whiskermenu
[12:18] <jjfrv8> ok
[12:18]  * elfy is just looking at the doku stuff for menulibre - try and get testcase done today
[12:19] <knome> elfy, ooh, nice
[12:19] <jjfrv8> bluesabre has the upstream version pretty complete but he's supposed to be releasing an updated app version this weekend
[12:19] <knome> okay
[12:19] <jjfrv8> that will mean some mods to the docs
[12:19] <knome> ochosi, do you happen to know if that changes much re: docs?
[12:19] <ochosi> elfy: as an example for indicators-test-case: install indicator-messages and test whether it works with our default apps (pidgin, thunderbird)
[12:19] <knome> jjfrv8, oh, right, you talked with him?
[12:20] <knome> ochosi, "install" ?
[12:20] <ochosi> elfy: but it's true that a bugreport might still go against upstream/ubuntu
[12:20] <ochosi> knome: we don't have additional indicators in the seed yet
[12:20] <knome> okay
[12:20] <ochosi> sry, not sure about menulibre docs
[12:20] <ochosi> wasn't involved in those at all
[12:21] <elfy> ochosi: if thunderbird is supposed to be in the menu then there's something up here
[12:21] <knome> but the testcases should still match the "final" situation
[12:21] <knome> that meaning, if we're about to ship indicator-messages, then we should expect it's installed
[12:21] <ochosi> elfy: i thought that new mail and stuff should be there, but i haven't been able to use that indicator for so long (and now i don't use tb anymore)
[12:21] <elfy> pidgin/xchat are there 
[12:21] <ochosi> knome: yeah, actually we should decide on what indicators to ship
[12:22] <knome> ochosi, add it to the meeting agenda and we'll decide on the next meeting
[12:22] <knome> ...which we should schedule
[12:24]  * elfy has minor panic wondering how hobgolin was logging in - and blames ochosi for making him press the pidgin button
[12:24] <knome> lol
[12:24] <ochosi> hehe
[12:25] <elfy> for the moment I'll assume we'll have at -messages, -sound, -network 
[12:25] <elfy> are we ignoring the date/time one and keeping the other?
[12:25] <knome> there was a bug re: the datetime one, see the blueprint
[12:26]  * elfy remembers now he sees that
[12:29] <ochosi> i'll also propose -power
[12:29] <ochosi> because i patched it upstream to work with xfce4-powermanager
[12:29] <knome> yes please
[12:29] <knome> that's useful with laptops :P
[12:31] <ochosi> it's nicer than the tray, displays remaining battery-time optionally
[12:31] <ochosi> only drawback is you cannot hide/show it conditionally yet in xubuntu
[12:31] <knome> don't really know why you'd want to hide it
[12:32] <ochosi> same as with xfce4-powerman i guess: "only show when battery is present", "only show when charging/discharging", "always show", "always hide"
[12:33] <ochosi> we'll have to see whether we can set it to "only show when battery is present" by default in xubuntu
[12:33] <ochosi> (some gsettings or dconf thingy)
[12:34] <knome> ochosi, that's unrelated
[12:34] <knome> ochosi, my point is, why would you want to hide it anyway
[12:34] <ochosi> e.g. if you don't have a laptop?
[12:34] <ochosi> and therefore no battery
[12:35] <ochosi> oh
[12:35] <knome> "oh!"
[12:35] <knome> :D
[12:35] <knome> haha..
[12:35] <ochosi> actually i just saw that it's set to that by default :)
[12:35] <knome> well you can just uninstall the package in that case...
[12:35] <ochosi> so lucky us
[12:35] <ochosi> you can also right-click the indicator-plugin and hide the battery directly there
[12:36] <ochosi> so there are plenty of options
[12:36] <knome> yyep
[12:36] <ochosi> just "charge" isn't easy to set
[12:36] <knome> not a big deal
[12:36] <knome> "charge"?
[12:36] <ochosi> "only show when charging"
[12:36] <knome> right
[12:36] <knome> that's a weird mode...
[12:36] <elfy> so how do you get this power indicator to show up then :p setting show icon in power doesn't use that - I get the other icon
[12:37] <GridCube> :D so we are using wishkersmenu? :D thats awesome
[12:37] <knome> only two days late... :P
[12:37] <ochosi> elfy: "the other icon"?
[12:38] <ochosi> elfy: i presume you have a laptop, not a desktop?
[12:38] <elfy> desktop
[12:38] <ochosi> haha
[12:38] <ochosi> did you not read what i said before?
[12:38] <elfy> so - that's good - can't write testcase :p
[12:38] <ochosi> by default, it's only shown when a battery is *present* (hence the name of the mode)
[12:38] <ochosi> :)
[12:39] <elfy> ochosi: I had a 14 year old yabbering in my ear about cinema prices ... 
[12:39] <ochosi> hihi
[12:39] <ochosi> fair enough
[12:39] <ochosi> just give him 20bucks and send him off ;)
[12:39] <elfy> she got that alreadyy ... 
[12:40] <ochosi> oh, a girl, sry
[12:40] <knome> haha
[12:40] <elfy> thankfully someone else get's the pleasure of 6 14 year olds tonight ... woohoo
[12:40] <elfy> ochosi: np - you didn't know :)
[12:40] <ochosi> haha nice
[12:40] <GridCube> knome, P: i re-read the meeting logs and it just said "to be discussed later" on the wishkers menu issue O:
[12:41] <jjfrv8> ochosi, do you know how I can get whiskermenu to call MenuLibre? It's listed in 'Commands', but no icon showing for it.
[12:41] <elfy> jjfrv8: right click - edit applications
[12:42] <jjfrv8> is checked
[12:42] <ochosi> true, weird
[12:42] <elfy> clicking that opens menulibre here
[12:42] <jjfrv8> yeah, but it's working on app menu, not whisker
[12:42] <ochosi> it's disabled for me
[12:43] <elfy> mmm - never worked on app menu for me 
[12:43] <ochosi> haha, menulibre wasn't installedd
[12:43] <elfy> \o/ 
[12:43] <elfy> not just me then :p
[12:43]  * knome facepalms
[12:43] <ochosi> jjfrv8: worksforme ;D
[12:43] <knome> bluesabre, stop hiding!
[12:44] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, unfortunately and unlike you i don't have a good excuse...
[12:44] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[12:44] <bluesabre> knome: one channel at a time
[12:44] <knome> bluesabre, then let it be this :P
[12:44] <bluesabre> you all talk too much, make it hard to catch up :D
[12:44] <elfy> bluesabre: have a leaf from my book - ignore what you missed :)
[12:46] <knome> bluesabre, i'm not talking, i'm typing...
[12:50] <jjfrv8> doesn't work for me. I would expect to see five icons since I have five commands checked: http://imagebin.org/293503
[12:50] <jjfrv8> but I only see four.
[12:51] <ochosi> jjfrv8: the edit-menu thing is in the right-click menu
[12:52] <jjfrv8> yeah, it's there but when I click on that I get the app menu in ManuLibre
[12:52] <jjfrv8> so I can't get there from here :(
[12:53] <ochosi> there is no whisker-menu specific view in menulibre
[12:53] <ochosi> menulibre always looks the same
[12:53] <ochosi> you can edit the launchers and the categories that launchers appear in with menulibre
[12:53] <ochosi> no whisker-specific stuff there at all
[12:54] <jjfrv8> so that's going to be confusing because the entries don't match
[12:54] <jjfrv8> e.g., not Help stuff in whiskermenu
[12:55] <knome> hmm, right, the custom desktop entries in our appmenu
[12:55] <bluesabre> we need to enable the setting in whisker "Show menu hierarchy" to make the layout match
[12:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: yes, that is, if we want that
[12:56] <ochosi> knome: ?
[12:56] <bluesabre> right, if you want the matching layout
[12:56] <knome> "contribute to xubuntu"
[12:56] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i understand the confusion, best to submit an issue upstream about it on github
[12:57] <knome> are those visible in whiskermenu/menulibre by default?
[12:57] <ochosi> knome: we can define the favorites ourselves
[12:57] <elfy> bluesabre: just a small thing here - wording for the tooptip on hide from menu's in menulibre might do with rewording a bit, 'tons of good reasons' seems a bit odd
[12:57] <bluesabre> we could add a "Xubuntu" directory, or add to favorites
[12:57] <knome> well exactly
[12:57] <knome> we should do that
[12:57] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/293504
[12:57] <ochosi> yup
[12:57] <ochosi> knome: they are visible
[12:57] <knome> ochosi, would you *please* add that to a blueprint?
[12:57] <knome> ochosi, we might also want to rethink them
[12:58] <bluesabre> elfy, taken straight from the desktop spec
[12:58] <ochosi> elfy: that is a looooong tooltip :p
[12:58] <knome> ochosi, we could do with just the "help" item, and just advertise the other items better in the help start page
[12:58] <bluesabre> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html
[12:58] <elfy> ochosi: indeed - I try not to hover 
[12:58] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i'd second that
[12:58] <bluesabre> I will fix the not being a mile long today
[12:59] <bluesabre> stupid gtk3 bug
[12:59] <elfy> bluesabre: that is a really childish spec lol
[12:59] <elfy> tons of good reasons ... kind of stuff :p
[13:00] <ochosi> btw, a nice feat of whisker is that ppl can easily adjust the icon-size
[13:00] <elfy> unless you wrote it in which case it looks really good 
[13:00] <ochosi> (the appmenu can be really small)
[13:00] <ochosi> elfy: opportunist!
[13:00] <elfy> :)
[13:01] <bluesabre> yeah, I should probably rewrite the hints
[13:02] <elfy> I would do it - but I'd have no idea how 
[13:02] <ochosi> shimmer-themes (1.7.0-0ubuntu1) trusty: Accepted
[13:03] <ochosi> \o/
[13:03] <knome> woot
[13:03] <elfy> ochosi: nice 
[13:03] <ochosi> we're looking surprisingly good suddenly
[13:03] <elfy> can I remove that ppa soon then
[13:03] <ochosi> and i'm not just punning on the artwork update ;)
[13:03] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[13:05] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, you can
[13:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes, yes you were
[13:05] <ochosi> ;D
[13:10] <jjfrv8> so... I'm easily confused. Are we going to do something to make the entries you see in whiskermenu look more like the ones in appmenu?
[13:12] <jjfrv8> appmenu has a mixture of launchers and directories on the main screen, whisker only has directories (plus Recent and Faves)
[13:23] <knome> jjfrv8, no, whiskermenu is a bit different
[13:23] <knome> jjfrv8, we were just discussing of adding the things we have on the "root" of appmenu to favorites
[13:25] <jjfrv8> okay, but it seems to me that doesn't resolve the confusion about seeing a completely different looking hierarchy when you launch MenuLibre
[13:25] <ochosi> it's not completely different
[13:26] <ochosi> but yeah, i guess menulibre 1.0's main view was easier with menulibre ;)
[13:28] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, are you still planning on adding the ability to put a launcher into a new directory?
[13:28] <bluesabre> thats the plan
[13:29] <jjfrv8> I've just been fooling with it here as we were talking to see if stuff I added would show up in whiskermenu, and I can't get a new directory to show up in either.
[13:54] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: test something for me? add your new directory, save it, then move it
[13:55] <jjfrv8> weird stuff. I created a new directory called 'Test'. After saving and exiting MenuLibre, it didn't show up in either menu, but...
[13:56] <jjfrv8> when I went back into menulibre, it was called 'Test2'.  Then I moved it per your request. Exited and came back. Gone.
[13:58] <elfy> can't get a directory to show here either
[13:59] <jjfrv8> in terminal, I'm getting a (menulibre:5222): Gtk-CRITICAL error.
[13:59] <elfy> bluesabre: http://pastebin.com/AUQKfsJv
[14:00] <bluesabre> these ones (menulibre:7040): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_get_iter: assertion 'path->depth > 0' failed
[14:01] <bluesabre> are seemingly unavoidable, and not really a problem
[14:01] <jjfrv8> ok
[14:01] <bluesabre> ok, stop testing on these today, I'll poke the code some more and try to get these fixed
[14:02] <jjfrv8> k, thanks.
[14:04] <elfy> thanks bluesabre 
[14:54] <GridCube> i have a question, even though i love the idea of using whiskersmenu, in the pop-up menu on the desktop, at the bottom there will be the appmenu right? so both will still be there
[14:54] <GridCube> ?
[14:55] <elfy> I don't think that is the plan GridCube - just whiskermenu
[14:55] <GridCube> then the menu in the contextual popup will dissapear? or it will call whiskers?
[14:56] <elfy> no idea GridCube 
[14:56] <GridCube> :) 
[14:56] <GridCube> ok just bringing it out because i though about it
[14:56] <elfy> a meeting would be the best time for that - I know I'll forget :p
[14:56]  * GridCube would not be really bothered if it went away from the contextual menu
[15:22] <ali12341> is there a way to make mousepad open files in the existing window?
[15:26] <ochosi> ali12341: this must be your lucky day, a patch was posted yesterday about that: http://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=4598
[15:26] <ali12341> well, that's pretty cool
[15:26] <ochosi> mousepad needs a settings-dialog though
[15:27] <ochosi> codebrainz said there are quite a few patches floating around
[15:27] <ali12341> that person is on #xfce-dev
[15:27] <ochosi> yes, that's where he talked about the patch 12hrs ago or so :)
[15:27] <ali12341> i don't think it does need a settings dialog tbh
[15:28] <ochosi> well, seems like many of the proposed patches bring new options
[15:30] <ali12341> why make them options though?
[15:30] <ali12341> just enable them all the time
[15:31] <ochosi> i dunno what other patches there are
[15:31] <ali12341> opening new window should be a command line option
[15:31] <ochosi> it's been a while since i poked around in the mousepad bugzilla
[15:31] <ali12341> since it has no effect other than when you run it from command line
[15:31] <ochosi> i suggest you update the patch and ping codebrainz
[15:32] <ochosi> he's generally quite open to merging stuff in
[15:32] <ali12341> hmm so a config panel is the blocker?
[15:33] <ali12341> i don't know how to make config panels though
[15:33] <ochosi> no, i meant:
[15:33] <ochosi> update the patch so that it becomes a commandline option like you suggested
[15:33] <ochosi> i think that makes sense
[15:33] <ochosi> that way it's not an option that needs to be in a menu or anything
[15:37] <ochosi> lderan: by the way, the fourth option isn't a light-locker option. you need to use the python equivalent of XSetScreenSaver
[15:38] <lderan> aye was going to ask about that after i've finished with the light-locker specific options
[15:38] <lderan> thanks
[15:39] <ochosi> sure, no problem
[15:40] <ochosi> basically all you need is XSetScreenSaver and XGetScreenSaver
[15:40] <ochosi> and probably XScreenSaverQueryExtension
[15:41] <ochosi> (to see whether the extension is available, which it should be by defualt in xubunt)
[15:43] <elfy> ochosi: ind panel testcase is there for review, I've not bothered with date nor keyboard at the moment, neither appear to work here, so it is just sound, messaging and network at the moment
[15:44] <ochosi> elfy: link?
[15:44] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1280605/+merge/206582
[15:46] <ochosi> elfy: sounds good to me. although testing one music-player in the soundmenu might suffice
[15:47] <elfy> well - reason I added that was with clementine - there is a playlist option :)
[15:47] <ochosi> ok
[15:47] <ochosi> very few players have that option
[15:48] <elfy> :)
[15:48] <ochosi> *very*
[15:48] <ochosi> :)
[15:48] <elfy> best make clementine default then :p
[15:48] <ochosi> it's qt, remember?
[15:48] <elfy> not that I've never said that before lol 
[15:48] <elfy> yea I remember that too :p
[15:48] <ochosi> ok, good :)
[15:48] <ochosi> want help on indicator-power?
[15:49] <elfy> help?
[15:49] <elfy> if I can I will
[15:50] <elfy> re the indicator one - I'll get knome or slickymaster to look - then we can get it on the tracker and available for when they land
[15:50] <ochosi> well i just thought since you don't see the power-indicator, i can help you with the testcase
[15:50] <elfy> oic - that would be great :)
[15:50] <ochosi> ok :)
[15:54] <ochosi> elfy: http://dpaste.com/1623381/
[15:54] <ochosi> ali12341: or motivate byuu to modify the patch ;)
[15:54] <elfy> ochosi: cheers :)
[15:55] <ochosi> elfy: np ;)
[15:56] <ochosi> elfy: and after the meeting i have to say i'm sorry if you feel that testing is underappreciated, i think everyone here is very grateful for your work. and yeah, it's not easy to motivate other ppl to test...
[15:56] <ochosi> (and testing obviously makes sense and in comparison to other flavors, you're really making xubuntu shine)
[15:57] <elfy> thanks ochosi 
[16:03] <elfy> ochosi: ok - that's up for merge now as well - that was easy :p
[16:03] <bluesabre> lderan: let me know if you need some help
[16:03] <lderan> bluesabre, will do
[16:05] <ochosi> elfy: cool
[16:05] <elfy> I'll try and get whiskermenu done now I've got the right head on 
[16:07] <lderan> bluesabre, actually one thing, the spin buttons that i've got don't seem to be working very well. the steppers dont work and i can't type into them. Probably have clicked something glade :P
[16:08] <bluesabre> lderan: I think for spin buttons you have to add an adjustment to be able to operate
[16:08] <lderan> ah thanks
[16:11] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - so how detailed do we want whiskermenu testcase?
[16:11] <ochosi> hm, it's just a menu
[16:11] <ochosi> so i guess, "can you interact with the menu"
[16:11] <ochosi> use the searchbox to launch an app
[16:11] <ochosi> stuff like that
[16:11] <ochosi> no need to go into the settings
[16:12] <ochosi> we'll try to provide sensible defaults anyway
[16:12] <ochosi> and the rest is up to everyone themselves
[16:12] <bluesabre> do we ship the xubuntu icon default yet?
[16:12] <bluesabre> or will that be x-d-s
[16:13] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke
[16:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: you mean for the whiskermenu?
[16:14] <bluesabre> yes
[16:14] <ochosi> no, actually x-d-s hasn't received any of the new panel layout
[16:14] <ochosi> that includes the settings
[16:16] <ochosi> micahg: when do you plan to upload xubuntu-default-settings?
[16:17] <bluesabre> (and before that, merges)
[16:19] <ochosi> yeah, obviously :)
[16:19] <ochosi> i'm mostly wondering whether it makes sense to start working on the panel layout now
[16:34] <knome> jjfrv8, slickymaster: around?
[16:43] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so opening from menu, search box and opens, adding to favourites, recently used is populated, clears - that sort of thing 
[16:44] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, although i'm not sure if recently is populated on a clean box...
[16:44] <elfy> well it would be after you'd opened some thing in the testcase :)
[16:45] <elfy> ochosi: what about the settings button/lock screen/logout things - want them in the test?
[16:45] <knome> elfy, one of my first bigger contirbutions to FOSS: http://blog.knome.fi/files/2007/07/splash-enhanced-1407-2054.png
[16:45] <elfy> well I have to say I have seen that :)
[16:46] <knome> can't remember where/what the original photo is, but good eyes can actually recognise at least of one the persons in the splash :P
[16:47] <ochosi> knome: are those cool kids in the background your friends? ;)
[16:47] <knome> ochosi, nope, they are amarok/kde contributors
[16:47] <ochosi> elfy: not sure, somehow these buttons/functions seem like parts of other tests, but up to you
[16:47] <knome> "kids", aiaiai
[16:47]  * ochosi is old
[16:48] <knome> hah
[16:48] <elfy> ochosi: they are all tested elsewhere - I'll leave them then
[16:48]  * elfy isn't 
[16:48] <ochosi> elfy: ok cool
[16:54] <jjfrv8> knome, what's up?
[17:00] <bluesabre> Unit193, other packagers, let me know if there is anything else I should change with the packaging :)
[17:00] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/lightdm-gtk-greeter-trusty/+packages
[17:00] <bluesabre> (before sending it off to the sponsors)
[17:03] <knome> jjfrv8, we will most probably have a new upload for the slideshow next week, would you like to set up a sprint to get some things done for that, so it would land in the beta images?
[17:03] <knome> jjfrv8, like, monday or tuesday
[17:04] <jjfrv8> things like what?
[17:07] <knome> we probably want to highlight some of the cool features we have rather than the applications
[17:07] <knome> so a slide on customizable desktop
[17:08] <knome> maybe something about menulibre/mugshot in another
[17:08] <knome> we don't have to put out the final stuff out yet, but it would be good to try out how that looks in the installer
[17:08] <knome> and then it's also easier to build and modify from that
[17:10] <jjfrv8> yeah, I'd be able to put some time into it.
[17:10] <knome> okay, what time would work best for you, if we had a sprint?
[17:10] <knome> around 19UTC'ish good, or later?
[17:10] <jjfrv8> today?
[17:10] <knome> monday or tuesday
[17:10] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so whiskermenu is there as well now https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1280608/+merge/206586
[17:11] <knome> or tomorrow pre 19UTC
[17:12] <jjfrv8> tomorrow's not so good. I'm snowbound today. Monday & Tuesday would have to be pre-1900.
[17:12] <elfy> knome: there's a couple of testcase mp's there if you get chance
[17:12] <knome> elfy, i'll look at them later today, ta :)
[17:13] <knome> jjfrv8, mon/tue pre-19 works for me as well. what would be the best time for you? i can usually stretch my schedule
[17:13] <elfy> knome: also when we get them on the tracker - I'm thinking that maybe have them as seperate on the tracker till 14.10, then move them into the main groups
[17:13] <knome> elfy, worksforme
[17:13] <elfy> lol - a lot of this worksforme going on atm :p
[17:14] <jjfrv8> I'd say Monday or Tuesday starting at 14.
[17:15] <knome> jjfrv8, somewhere around 14 sounds good. monday?
[17:15] <jjfrv8> sure
[17:16] <knome> great, i'll try to catch slickymaster as well
[17:16] <knome> and put that down on my calendar
[17:16] <jjfrv8> subject to emergencies at the real job :)
[17:16] <knome> sure
[17:16] <knome> just tell us if something comes up
[17:18] <jjfrv8> is there anything I could do in advance today?
[17:18] <knome> anything and everything; basically, if you have any ideas for the slideshow, or want to draft the content, feel free to do so
[17:19] <knome> did i already tell how you can test the slideshow?
[17:19] <jjfrv8> yes
[17:19] <jjfrv8> I'll see if I can find it :)
[17:19] <knome> ok, cool
[17:19] <knome> well, in the slideshow branch root, ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[17:20] <knome> slides are in html, inside slideshows/xubuntu
[17:20] <knome> see index.html if you want to add/remove slides
[17:20] <jjfrv8> yup, got it now. thx.
[17:20] <knome> it's pretty straightforward, most of the logic is outside the files we need to poke
[17:20] <knome> good
[17:20] <knome> let me see if i had something planned...
[17:21] <knome> not here at least :)
[17:22] <knome> might have something on the laptop, will put that into a pad later if i have
[17:22] <jjfrv8> k
[17:23] <knome> i'm pretty certain we're thinking along the same lines though
[17:23] <knome> i guess the only thing to remember with the slideshow is that we don't need "marketing speech" there
[17:23] <knome> that should be saved for the website
[17:24] <knome> the slideshow should dig a bit deeper and introduce and inspire users to (do) things they can do after the installation
[17:24] <knome> (or if they are running the live session, during the installation)
[17:25] <jjfrv8> good points
[17:25] <jjfrv8> I'll start playing around with it
[17:25] <knome> thanks :)
[17:26] <knome> i might be around later today as well
[17:26] <knome> well, probably will
[17:26] <knome> but not sure in what quantity or motivation :)
[17:26] <jjfrv8> hehe
[17:28] <knome> ok, i'm off for now
[17:28] <knome> see you later
[17:37] <GridCube> elfy, im testing todays image and boy the wallpaper selection thing is broken
[17:38] <brainwash_> broken?
[17:38] <GridCube> yes
[17:38] <brainwash_> not working at all?
[17:39] <brainwash_> I assume that you are talking about xfdesktop-settings
[17:40] <GridCube> first you are presented with an empty wallpaper list, second if you choose a folder where to choose wallapers its set up to fill the screen, you can not change it to any of the other options, like centered, proportional, tiled, none of that work, neither works choosing "empty"
[17:40] <GridCube> if you close the selector and reopen it the list is empty again
[17:41] <brainwash_> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10685
[17:42] <GridCube> more like all times
[17:43] <brainwash_> do the wallpaper previews show up when you click on the list area?
[17:44] <elfy> no
[17:44] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1271713
[17:44] <GridCube> no brainwash_ 
[17:45] <brainwash_> so the current selected folder does not contain any pictures? :D
[17:45] <GridCube> no
[17:45] <elfy> it should at least include the one that it's using
[17:45] <GridCube> http://goput.it/b34h.png
[17:46] <GridCube> its not
[17:46] <brainwash_> but you have to select a folder
[17:46] <GridCube> its not there
[17:48] <brainwash_> you've already filed a report, so maybe it will get fixed
[17:49] <brainwash_> the obvious solution would be to set the path via xubuntu-default-settings
[17:49] <GridCube> http://goput.it/str/n7k2.png
[17:49] <brainwash_> if it's missing
[17:49] <GridCube> http://goput.it/str/8cut.png
[17:50] <GridCube> i guess
[17:56] <GridCube> there, reported elfy :D
[17:56] <GridCube> i did a thing today! /o/
[17:57] <elfy> :)
[18:07] <brainwash_> I did not test the iso, but if I remove my xfdesktop config, restart the session and open xfdesktop-settings, I'm presented with the wallpapers from the backdrops folder
[19:46] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Alioth is still broken, i think i'll have to make a bzr branch of gmusicbrowser
[19:47] <knome> jjfrv8, i'm back
[19:47] <ochosi> Noskcaj: oh, i see...
[19:47] <jjfrv8> knome, welcome back
[19:47] <ochosi> well it's a bugfix release, if you take a look at the changelog, that's very clear
[19:47] <ochosi> so i think it won't need a FFe, even if it's ready later
[19:48] <jjfrv8> I've been re-familiarizing myself with the slideshow logistics and have started on a mugshot slide
[19:48] <Noskcaj> yeah. I'll make the bzr branch anyway, since we don't know how long alioth will be down (1 month so far)
[19:48] <knome> jjfrv8, let's group menulibre in the same slide
[19:48] <jjfrv8> hmmm
[19:49] <knome> jjfrv8, note: we can drop the image and show more text than currently
[19:49] <jjfrv8> I see
[19:49] <knome> just have to work out the css, but that's completely doable
[19:51] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/newstartpage
[19:51] <knome> for anyone interested
[19:52] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Howdy.  So I'm supposed to add a new table part, I've added it to guide-default-apps.xml.  It might not be in the right section or formatted correctly, but has the correct information: https://unit193.net/xubuntu-testing/desktop-guide/guide-default-apps.html#application-table how would you make it less bad? :P
[19:54] <jjfrv8> howdy, Unit193, I'll take a look shortly
[19:58] <knome> Unit193, leap of faith. pushed an update to the translation template ;)
[19:58] <Unit193> Uh oh.
[19:58] <knome> :)
[19:59] <knome> if it fails... well, we can fish up the the translated strings from the old .pos
[20:00] <Unit193> I'll have a clean branch here, so I could merge the strings in.
[20:00] <knome> let's see what happens
[20:01] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu-testing/ also, doesn't look too bad. :P
[20:02] <knome> nope.
[20:02] <knome> the language list is still hardcoded though
[20:02] <knome> any ideas how to make it dynamic on build-time, and is there any way we can get real language names?
[20:04] <ochosi> Unit193: don't forget to check bluesabre's branch for the greeter ;)
[20:06] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, Unit193: anything you think I should change about this package? https://launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+archive/lightdm-gtk-greeter-trusty/+packages
[20:06] <Unit193> Why is everybody asking meee things? :P
[20:06] <Unit193> knome: Language-Team in the po files? :/
[20:06] <ochosi> Unit193: you're the a pro packager, everyone knows that ;)
[20:07] <Unit193> knome: sed -n /Language-Team:/p *.po | awk '{print $2}'   I don't know if gettext has something that already shows info on the po files.
[20:08] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Looks pretty good, let's see what someone with upload rights says
[20:09] <bluesabre> alrighty, I'll get started on the next steps
[20:09]  * Unit193 likes how blues overwrites the manpage warning. :P
[20:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: that actually came from debian :)
[20:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: How do you run lintian?
[20:11] <bluesabre> lintian *.dsc
[20:11] <bluesabre> I always forget the "proper" way to do it
[20:12] <jjfrv8> knome, I don't see the "Xubuntu is a community-developed..." paragraph on the new page but it looks like it's still there in the diffs. Am I missing something?
[20:12] <Unit193> If you run it on the changes file, it'll check both the source and binary package.  I personally use lintian --pedantic -E -I
[20:13] <knome> jjfrv8, as a comment
[20:13] <Unit193> Also under "Get Involved"
[20:14] <jjfrv8> oh
[20:22] <Unit193> knome: Like my hacky way to get the string names?
[20:23] <knome> Unit193, if it works, and there isn't any easier way, i don't mind it. want to create a makefile that works that magic? :>
[20:23] <Unit193> Whhhy?  It'll just get stuck in merges. :>
[20:24] <knome> not really
[20:24] <Unit193> Uhh, I could look into it, but remember that I'm not good with Makefiles.
[20:24] <Unit193> knome: That was my cheap copout. :P
[20:24] <knome> yeah, you can do it
[20:25] <knome> hmm, didn't i merge the linguas branch yet? was there any reason not to?
[20:25] <knome> did you want a code sanity check?
[20:26] <Unit193> You know makefiles?  And sure, any review would be good.
[20:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: familiar with the new tag debian-watch-may-check-gpg-signature?
[20:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yes.  But you aren't signing your release tarballs are you?
[20:27] <bluesabre> no, so that will go away when they are properly signed then?
[20:27] <bluesabre> or, the release tarballs
[20:27] <Unit193> Nope.
[20:28] <bluesabre> I ship a .asc with them
[20:28] <Unit193> It's how your watch file is formatted, it'll check the tarball against your sig if it can find it, and it'll want you to ship a .gpg sig to confirm it against.
[20:29] <bluesabre> I see
[20:29] <Unit193> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/debian-watch-may-check-gpg-signature.html
[20:30] <bluesabre> yeah, I see that
[20:30] <bluesabre> not particularly helpful
[20:35] <brainwash_> ochosi: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/fehlerhafte-darstellung-beim-panel-und-beim-lo/
[20:35] <brainwash_> :D
[20:38] <Unit193> Not likely anyone will want it, but I have zsync that doesn't backup files to .zs-old, and can also work over https connections.
[20:39] <brainwash_> Unit193: xfce4-indicator-plugin for trusty is not a git snapshot, right?
[20:39] <Unit193> Right.
[20:40] <brainwash_> mmh, we need the latest upstream fixes
[20:40] <brainwash_> soon I guess
[20:48] <Unit193> brainwash_: The story I got was that those were bug fixes, thus could go in later if 2.2.0 was in now.
[20:54] <bluesabre> knome: have a relevant upload poke? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1280670
[21:18] <Unit193> knome: Still alive and kicking?
[21:20] <bluesabre> knome: poke
[21:20] <bluesabre> knome: nudge
[21:20] <bluesabre> knome: ping
[21:20] <bluesabre> :)
[21:20] <Unit193> knome: Poke
[21:20] <Unit193> knome: Poke
[21:20] <Unit193> knome: Poke
[21:20] <Unit193> knome: Poke
[21:20] <Unit193> bluesabre: Super fast!
[21:21] <bluesabre> :D
[21:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Subscribe the right team and it'll show up on the queue.
[21:21] <bluesabre> ah
[21:21] <bluesabre> which team to subscribe?
[21:21] <Unit193> ubuntu sponsors?
[21:22] <bluesabre> ah
[21:22] <bluesabre> so that team I already subscribed?
[21:22] <Unit193> Could also try to do a bzr merge into lp:ubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter (I do this by branching, then rsync -avhP --delete-after mysource/ theirbzr/ --exclude .bzr )
[21:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yep, and it's showing on the queue.
[21:23] <bluesabre> right
[21:23]  * bluesabre isn't sure what the original problem was
[21:26] <Unit193> I got it outputting the correct html lines, but of course you can't just tag them on the end of the html document.
[21:26] <Unit193> (Basically, I'm turning the makefile into a bash file. >_> )
[21:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: Hey, are you good with makefiles and have a sec?
[21:27] <bluesabre> I am pretty midocre at makefiles
[21:27] <bluesabre> and spelling
[21:27] <bluesabre> mediocre?
[21:27]  * bluesabre googles
[21:27] <bluesabre> win
[21:29] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/linguas/+merge/205281 the makefile in there works for me, but...
[21:30] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/erJMYlalvmkDO8TByBJM/ that's even worse, even for a bash file. :P
[21:32] <ali12341> what is it supposed to do?
[21:32] <bluesabre> looks like just translations?
[21:33] <ali12341> why do you echo to sed and then awk?
[21:34] <ali12341> why not just echo what you want in the first place?
[21:36] <Unit193> That's actually ;, not |
[21:37] <ali12341> what does /p do?
[21:37] <Unit193> text here; dynamic text here.  Print, it's for the -n flag.
[21:38] <ali12341> so that sed is really a grep?
[21:38] <Unit193> >_<
[21:38] <Unit193> Yes.
[21:39] <brainwash_> ubuntu wiki won't let me login once again :/
[21:39] <Unit193> Welp, horrey for overcomplicating.  I was thinking doing it all with sed, but with awk print it's easier, so I guess left that sed in there.
[21:39] <brainwash_> we need to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[21:39] <ali12341> oh i see what youre doing
[21:40] <ali12341> building an index to every translation right?
[21:40] <Unit193> Exactly.
[21:40] <Unit193> (Also now I s/sed/grep/)
[21:41] <ali12341> so you want to cat header.html > index.html; for loop; cat footer.html >> index.html
[21:41] <Unit193> That's what I was thinking, yeah.
[21:41] <Unit193> Not sure of another way to do it.
[21:41] <ali12341> inside the forloop get rid of the echo and print everything with awk and then redirect it to the output file >>
[21:42] <Unit193> https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/432754992634544128 well fun.
[21:42] <ali12341> maybe it won't be super slow afterwards
[21:42] <bluesabre> bahhhhh
[21:44] <Unit193> ali12341: I was having problems with that because single quotes of course would have actually put the vars as is in (So, would have actually printed $lang), and double quotes didn't seem to work with awk well when I tried.
[21:45] <Unit193> But I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
[21:45] <ali12341> yeah escaping is always a problem when you try to use bash or make or anything like that
[21:46] <Unit193> So, I used echo, because I know how that works.  I agree, I'd like to put it all in an awk call (but don't know how to grep with awk)
[21:46] <ali12341> what i do is just write it in python
[21:46] <Unit193> Hah. :D
[21:46] <jjfrv8> Unit193, getting back to you on those application tables...
[21:46] <jjfrv8> I can see why we would want the first table but why the "Behind the scenes" one?
[21:50] <Unit193> jjfrv8: In case the removal of an application removes one of those, someone builds up from the mini.iso, or someone installs -core.
[21:51] <jjfrv8> ah. Well I don't know how to make it any less bad then ;)
[21:52] <jjfrv8> We'll just have to figure out the best way to introduce/explain it, I guess.
[21:52] <Unit193> Crap, I had hoped you'd be able to work magic on it.
[21:53] <Unit193> ali12341: Well in theory I can actually put it in awk, just drop the quotes and escape the spaces.
[21:55] <Unit193> awk {print\ $$2\ \"</a></li>\"}
[21:55] <Unit193> Single quote the $$2
[21:56] <knome> jjfrv8, fwiw, my problem with the app table was "it's too clumsy/cluttered"
[21:57] <knome> jjfrv8, and i thought we could add it as an appendix, or so
[21:57] <knome> jjfrv8, if it was an appendix, it wouldn't need to be very pretty
[21:57] <jjfrv8> yeah, I like the appendix idea
[21:59] <Unit193> (Second half of the first one likely should be marked that it's in the Settings Manager)
[22:00] <knome> jjfrv8, Unit193: then it could be even closer to "packages shipped with xubuntu" (but non-exhaustive, not listing all dependencies of course)
[22:00] <knome> though i don't mind any format you find useful
[22:01] <Unit193> knome: Right, I was looking at the list above what I was writing and the seedfile.  I figured gmusicbrowser, gimp, firefox, and thunderbird were all too clear to bother adding.
[22:01] <knome> mhm, but if it's moved to appendice, i don't think it's a bad idea to mention those
[22:01] <knome> or not mention
[22:01]  * knome shrugs
[22:02] <knome> as long as it is a simple list, and the "guide for default applications" is still useful for beginners
[22:03] <Unit193> Makes sense.
[22:03] <knome> in the appendix, we might want to consider giving help how to view the full list of packages pulled in by -default, -default-settings, -core
[22:03] <knome> (-artwork?)
[22:03] <Unit193> Have fun. :D
[22:03] <knome> a mention of the metapackages is probably a good idea at least
[22:03] <knome> err, again, with full list i'm talking about first level dependencies
[22:04] <knome> err, s/-default/-desktop
[22:05] <knome> and i was simply referring to
[22:05] <knome> sudo apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop
[22:05] <knome> or a web interface for similar list
[22:05] <Unit193> If you read full scrollback, best idea was to remove the cp -r call in startpage:, and cp xubuntu-docs.css logo_title_welcome.png reset.css  into the build dir, and copy or cat header.html, run the loop, then cat footer.html > xubuntu-index.html
[22:06] <knome> header/footer being anything before/after the language list?
[22:06] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:06] <knome> that's a bit meh.
[22:07] <knome> i mean, in the sense of having .html files that aren't valid
[22:07] <Unit193> header.ht.src ? :D
[22:07] <knome> yeah, that would be better really
[22:07] <Unit193> Haha. :D
[22:07] <knome> i know it's only file extensions..
[22:08] <Unit193> Still thinking my hack might be a bit hacky.
[22:09] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/mSN0y4jbD4Qil4ICyRFO/
[22:09] <knome> i'm thinking if it really was too hard to create the all languages html part, and replace a specified variable in the file with that
[22:09] <Unit193> And right now, I have both makefiles updating LINGUAS, of course that should be changed later (Needed it for testing since I'm only running the one.)
[22:10] <jjfrv8> bbl
[22:10] <knome> mhm
[22:10] <knome> jjfrv8, oh dang, was just about to ask you where you got with the slideshow :D
[22:11] <knome> ochosi, when will you have a .tar.gz that's compatible with the panel layout changer ready for the new layout?
[22:34] <lderan> bluesabre, mmm would it be okay to store the x11 screensaver time in ~/.Xresources or is there a command line way of setting it?
[22:34] <bluesabre> lderan: if the setting works in .Xresources, thats likely the only way to keep that setting across sessions
[22:35] <lderan> righteo
[22:45] <wabbla> hi, is there a standard workflow for an package, which was currently updated in testing, going into Ubuntu Trusty? is it done automatically or manually?
[22:46] <wabbla> testing: i mean Debian Testing
[22:51] <Unit193> If there is Ubuntu delta, it won't be automatic.
[22:58] <wabbla> it seems to be "vanilla" debian: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/mixxx