[01:07] <koell> someone here?
[01:09] <knome> !someone | koell
[01:17] <koell> knome: im currently on lubuntu and tried xubuntu now in virtualbox. i really like the look and feel the design team of xubuntu create. it looks much better than the default xfce. i would like to install xfce on my lubuntu machine but with the style of xubuntu. is it possible to do that and how?
[01:21] <knome> koell, you can install the package xubuntu-desktop to get the "full" xubuntu desktop set of packages
[01:21] <knome> koell, note that this will most probably install additional software as well
[01:22] <koell> knome: but i can unwanted software uninstall right? so i get the same xubuntu experience with this package? the same desktop, icons, style <3 ?
[01:25] <koell> man why does xubuntu look so good <3 <3 <3
[01:33] <xubuntu467> hi all, does anyone know how to automate handbrake-gtk from thunar?
[02:47] <xubuntu741> Greetings community How I can change the language of all the system to Spanish?. what are the commands on terminal?
[03:33] <nanotube> ok so... is it possible to force the update manager to just stick itself into the notification area, rather than popping up? after installing some updates that require a restart, it keeps periodically popping up and saying 'zomg restart', and it did that while i was typing, and whamo, accidental restart. this is undesirable.
[04:15] <Unit193> nanotube: gconf seems to have a /apps/update-notifier/hide_reboot_notification var.
[04:32] <nanotube> Unit193: isn't gconf gnome?
[04:33] <Unit193> You can use `gconftool` to set them still.
[04:35] <nanotube> $ gconftool-2 --get /apps/update-notifier/hide_reboot_notification
[04:35] <nanotube> No value set for `/apps/update-notifier/hide_reboot_notification'
[04:35] <nanotube> hmm....
[04:57] <xubuntu772> hi
[04:58] <nanotube> howdy
[04:58] <xubuntu772> how y'all doing?
[04:58] <Unit193> nanotube: I mearly disabled it myself, kept the daemon running for the motd notifications only.
[05:02] <nanotube> mm maybe i'll give it a whirl. or maybe just switch to 'activate focus stealing prevention', though that's been too zealous and doesn't bring up even something i deliberately start.
[05:03] <nanotube> fwiw, i'd really like the old "icon in panel" approach. why did the have to go and ruin a perfectly good update notification...
[05:10] <Unit193> It's a new "feature", but before release wouldn't even let you close it.
[05:21] <nanotube> so... can xubuntu tweak stuff to its own design? or are we mostly stuck with whatever ubuntu pushes?
[05:23] <holstein> nanotube: its not so much 'stuck'.. the packages need to be in the repos
[05:24] <nanotube> holstein: well i meant, either tweak the config, or have a patched package with desired mods?
[05:24] <nanotube> maybe in a special xubuntu-specific repo?
[05:25] <holstein> theres not a xubuntu specific repo
[05:25] <holstein> just the main ones for ubuntu.. but, the configs get set as needed
[05:27] <nanotube> hm so it would theoretically be possible to tweak the default gconf/dconf settings to make update-notifier less insane?
[05:27] <nanotube> and while we are at it, maybe document said settings somewhere.
[05:27] <holstein> its all open, so literally anything should be possible
[05:28] <nanotube> well, anything other than actually modifying the package, it seems. :)
[05:29] <holstein> id be ok if it werent there at all. i dont mind manually updating.. you can see where preferences are challenging to deal with
[05:36] <nanotube> holstein: sure, but it is easy to do what you want - the gui allows unchecking the check for updates box.
[05:36] <nanotube> it is not easy to do what i want, which is to have less obtrusive notifications. :)
[05:37] <Unit193> nanotube: It used to tweak the settings, the settings have been removed.
[05:38] <Unit193> it=xubuntu-default-settings
[05:42] <lalopalo> any good guides on getting catalyst driver properly installed on xubuntu
[05:42] <holstein> !ati | lalopalo
[05:43] <lalopalo> ubottu: TY
[07:26] <xubuntu009> hola
[08:09] <nikolam> I were just going crazy about find using too much cpu and disk
[08:09] <nikolam> and i don't remember telling him to index my disks
[08:58] <simpleuser> Hi there. My left speaker is dead. Is there a way to tell Xubuntu to put all sounds in the right one ? Like switching to mono instead of stereo ?
[09:25] <fibz_> yes
[09:25] <simpleuser> fibz_, ?
[09:27] <fibz_> oh oops. i can because this is Ubuntu Studio
[09:28] <Sysi> pulseaudio settings don't have mono in output options? I can't check right now
[09:32] <fibz_> i'd install qjackctl  click start, then connect then patchbay then repatch both left and right into the working speaker for now
[09:33] <simpleuser> Sysi, don't find any
[09:33] <simpleuser> fibz_, wow, the hard way ^^
[09:34] <simpleuser> It seems i found a way :  amixer sset Master 100%,0%
[09:34] <fibz_> that will get you going untill you find a better answer.
[09:35] <fibz_> there you go
[09:35] <simpleuser> but i'm not sure, i have to find a mp3 that clearly indicates me if i get both sides in my right speaker
[09:35] <fibz_> audacious's visualizer
[09:36] <fibz_> it has a mode that shows left and right separately
[09:36] <simpleuser> great, i test that
[09:40] <Sysi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTvJoYnpeRQ works on html5
[09:41] <simpleuser> Thanks Sysi
[09:41] <simpleuser> doesn't work
[09:41] <simpleuser> :(
[09:41] <simpleuser> i mean the video works ^^
[09:41] <simpleuser> but i don't have mono
[10:09] <AussieDownUnder> Oi nikolam
[12:44] <AussieDownUnder> so erm, lack of hotkey/shortcut keys in xubuntu
[12:44] <AussieDownUnder> How does one acquire some?
[12:44] <GridCube> >settings >keyboard >shortcuts
[12:44] <GridCube> also there are lots and lots of the already
[12:45] <AussieDownUnder> Need hotkey for terminal, system monitor, bringing up & navigating through the menu with a keyboard
[12:45] <GridCube> meta-t
[12:50] <elfy> menu is alt+f1 and arrow keys work afaik
[12:50] <GridCube> AussieDownUnder, there are many shortcuts already, "alt gr"-f1 will call the menu, ctrl-esc the desktop menu, meta-t will call the terminal
[12:51] <GridCube> alt-f2 will call the appfinder
[12:51] <AussieDownUnder> What's the meta key lol?
[12:51] <GridCube> meta is the windows key
[12:51] <AussieDownUnder> Oh, I know it as the Super key, I did look up the other names of it but forgot
[12:52] <elfy> AussieDownUnder: some of the default shortcuts 'call' it Super
[12:54] <AussieDownUnder> Those don't seem to work
[12:54] <AussieDownUnder> I am using the desktop-ubuntu thing for ubuntu
[12:54] <AussieDownUnder> Looks exactly like xubuntu & seems same functionality so far
[12:54] <GridCube> meta-t for terminal, meta-e for text editor... meta-w for "exo-open --launch WebBrowser" XD
[12:55] <GridCube> AussieDownUnder, then you are not using xubuntu
[12:55] <AussieDownUnder> Well those last hotkey worked
[12:57] <GridCube> ctrl-esc should open the menu in any desktop ever
[12:57] <GridCube> well, maybe not "ever"
[12:57] <AussieDownUnder> Brings up what would come up  when you right click the desktop
[12:58] <GridCube> yes, and the last entry is the appmenu
[13:16] <koell> how to get rid of the shortening behaviour with the dots ... ?
[13:47] <AussieDownUnder> All of the extra thinking & responsibility of involved in using xubuntu is somehow making me smarter.
[13:47] <AussieDownUnder> except I can't type
[14:23] <starrats> I've installed irssi on terminal, so how do I get to work?
[14:24] <starrats> currently using weechat
[14:25] <Sysi> run it, connect to networks, join to channels
[14:25] <Sysi> /connect chat.freenode.net ; /j #xubuntu
[14:40] <Arpad2> I have some re-occurring problems with the panel menu button freezing and not reacting on mouse click
[14:42] <SirLagz> anyone had any issues unable to login to xfce ? I can login to OpenBox but not XFCE
[14:43] <SirLagz> xfce just dumps me back to the greeter
[14:48] <flux242> does anybody tried trusty tahr based xubuntu distro?
[14:48] <elfy> flux242: yes
[14:49] <flux242> are you on it now?
[14:50] <xubuntu488> hello everybody
[14:50] <xubuntu488> =)
[14:50] <elfy> flux242: yes I am - but if you've got questions about it that are 'support' then either #xubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1 please
[14:51] <flux242> elfy: no, can you peform a simple test for me?
[14:51] <elfy> flux242: perhaps
[14:51] <flux242> elfy: I just want to know if the case insensitive search for non english file names works in the catfish 1.0
[14:52] <elfy> flux242: I've not got any non-english filenames that I know of
[14:52] <SirLagz> DEBUG: Seat: Stopping display server, no sessions require it
[14:52] <SirLagz> oops
[14:52] <SirLagz> Anyone know why i would be getting that sort of message when I try to login to XFCE ?
[14:53] <flux242> elfy: do you speak english only?
[14:53] <elfy> I'm afraid so
[14:56] <flux242> elfy: well can you create files with the following file names (semicolon separated) then (just copy/paste): Тест;тест
[14:56] <flux242> elfy: and then searh for: тест
[15:01] <elfy> flux242: appeared to work here
[15:02] <flux242> elfy: so has it found 2 files?
[15:02] <elfy> no it found one
[15:03] <flux242> elfy: then it doesn't work
[15:04] <flux242> elfy: ok, thanks, I'll file a bug on the launchpad then
[15:04] <elfy> ok
[15:05] <flux242> elfy: If you create 2 files: test;Test and search for test it finds 2 files
[15:06] <elfy> yep - I can confirm bug when you report it
[15:25] <flux242> elfy: I've created the bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/1280607
[15:26] <flux242> elfy: please specify catfish version you use
[15:27] <elfy> flux242: all done
[15:27] <flux242> elfy: thanks
[15:30] <wrongplace> what is a size mismatch? how do I fix it?
[15:30] <wrongplace> W: Failed to fetch http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:/ownCloud:/desktop/xUbuntu_13.10/./amd64/libowncloudsync0_1.5.1_amd64.deb
[15:30] <wrongplace>   Size mismatch
[15:47] <wrongplace> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:/ownCloud:/desktop/xUbuntu_13.10/  Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.opensuse.org_repositories_isv:_ownCloud:_desktop_xUbuntu%5f13.10_Packages)
[15:47] <wrongplace> how do I fix that?
[16:56] <sohail-ahmed> I need to edit my sources.list file since I am not being able to install any thing and the default or the one text editor installed is vi. but I dont know how to use it. Is there a command to change the sources.list
[16:56] <sohail-ahmed> and I am on the command line only
[17:02] <holstein> you should have nano as well
[17:02] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ^
[17:03] <holstein> i mean, if you only have the command line, and you want to edif a file, you'll need to learn a command line text editor, or use a live CD
[17:03] <bekks> sohail-ahmed: So which ubuntu are you on then?
[17:03] <holstein> edit*
[17:06] <sohail-ahmed> its ubuntu server 12.0..
[17:08] <sohail-ahmed> yea I guess that might be the only chance, I was hoping to install some graphical interface but this bad source list problem caught
[17:08] <sohail-ahmed> me
[17:08] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you can run "sudo apt-get update" and paste errors
[17:08] <holstein> !paste | sohail-ahmed
[17:10] <sohail-ahmed> holstein, I think that would be possible for me to paste the entire error list, since as you might have guessed I am typing through another system.
[17:10] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: pastebinit near the end of what i linked should help
[17:11] <sohail-ahmed> sorry?
[17:11] <sohail-ahmed> I am on the different system
[17:11] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: pastebin it allows you to boot directly from the command line only system
[17:12] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i understand that.. but, a volunteer here will need to see the specific error messages
[17:12] <sohail-ahmed> yea I agree, but how can I make happen that?
[17:13] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: one way is the suggesting i am making above with pastebin it. you can explore that method and report if you are having issues.. or, use a live cd and edit the fie you are trying to edit in a gui editor from the live environment
[17:13] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if the promblem is "i want to edit my sources file in a GUI" use a live CD
[17:16] <sohail-ahmed> let me try here, you might get some idea. I have already typed 'sudo apt-get update' couple of times since my fresh install an hour ago. So now the "sudo apt-get update " gives: reading package ... Done,  Reading package list .. done , E: unable to locate package update
[17:17] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: and those errors can be because of many things.. not only a bad sources file
[17:17] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: could be you dont have a lock on var
[17:17] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i need more information.. and im not convinced you need to edit your sources file.. and i dont know what you mean by "fresh install"
[17:18] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: is this xubuntu 12.04? ubuntu server 12.04?
[17:18] <sohail-ahmed> ubunut server 12.04
[17:18] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: and you just fresh installed it? and you are trying to add xfce?
[17:18] <sohail-ahmed> yes
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if its a fresh install, nothing is wrong with the source file.. if you didnt break it, its not broken
[17:19] <sohail-ahmed> but nothing is being installed
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: please share more information about the error from "sudo apt-get update"
[17:19] <sohail-ahmed> for example sudo apt-get install gedit
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: sure.. but that doesnt mean the source file is bad
[17:19] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: what is the error from "sudo apt-get update" ?
[17:20] <sohail-ahmed> not the source file. I mean the default repository selection is bad
[17:20] <sohail-ahmed> I need to change the the repository
[17:20] <sohail-ahmed> its pk.ubunut/archive ....
[17:20] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: its not. nothing you are telling me indicates that is the issue. if its a default fresh install and you didnt break that, it should be fine
[17:21] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i will need to see the exact error.. you are welcome to try #ubuntu-server since that is the operatin system you  are using
[17:22] <sohail-ahmed> do you know how to change the repository through command line
[17:22] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: yes
[17:22] <sohail-ahmed> don't you think that may solve the problem?
[17:22] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: but thats not the issue.. *and* you can change those from a live CD using gedit
[17:22] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: no, i dont.. you havent shared an error with me that makes me think that is the issue. and its a fresh install
[17:23] <holstein> otherwise, a fresh install doesnt have much data in it to protect or backup, and it takes me about 6 minutes to install ubuntu server, so, consider a fresh install
[17:23] <sohail-ahmed> actually I dont know at this point how to share the error or out put from another command line system.
[17:24] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ok.. do you want to use gedit to edit your source file?
[17:24] <sohail-ahmed> yes
[17:24] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you can load *any* ubuntu or linux live CD on the system, and load up gedit and edit the file
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: this will give you gedit in a gui on that hardware running live where you can edit the sources file.. which i do not think is the issue
[17:25] <sohail-ahmed> so there is no work around?
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ?
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ^^ above is a work around.. using vim or nano is a work around
[17:25] <sohail-ahmed> meaning how can I give you my out from the other system?
[17:25] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i would use pastebinit
[17:26] <sohail-ahmed> would you please ellobrate
[17:26] <sohail-ahmed> I have two pcs
[17:26] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: are you seeing 404 errors?
[17:26] <sohail-ahmed> no.
[17:26] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: then, the sources doesnt seem to be the issue
[17:27] <holstein> what is that error? E: cant do what?
[17:27] <sohail-ahmed> W: unable to connect to pk.archive.ubuntu.com:http...
[17:28] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: load up a live CD and edit the sources as you please
[17:28] <holstein> or, use nano in the command line
[17:28] <sohail-ahmed> so when I would be in /etc/apt/sources.list, should I replace pk.archive... with usa.archive...
[17:29] <sohail-ahmed> ?
[17:29] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: looks just like this from your current system http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Precise_Repositories#Edit_the_repository_sources_list
[17:30] <holstein> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ is a nice source generator
[17:33] <sohail-ahmed> which is more technical to use nano or vi?
[17:33] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: ?
[17:33] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: use whichever you can use.. or use gedit from a live CD
[17:34] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: the instructions i linked suggested nano, as did i
[17:34] <holstein> nano is already installed.. and the insructions for how to use it are easy to find and printed in the screen
[17:35] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/reu/nano.html for example
[17:36] <holstein> though, i would just get the sources i want, and copy to a USB stick and mount it and backup the curent one, and mv the new one im place
[17:36] <holstein> this could also be easily done using a live cd if one didnt want to be using the terminal
[17:38] <sohail-ahmed> I have made all the changes I wanted. To be exact, I have changed all "pk.archive.ubuntu.com...." to "archive.ububtu.com....". I think I am right????
[17:38] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i would refer to the source generator i linked to make sure that the sources i want are the ones i have
[17:39] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you should have the current one backed up and know easily how to revert, so trying it wont hurt anything
[17:39] <sohail-ahmed> But I used my sources.list from the xubuntu installation//
[17:40] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i dont know what those are, friend.. but, its your responsibility to make sure you have the proper sources file.. if you have a default xubuntu 12.04 installation, the sources should be fine
[17:41] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you wouldnt, for example want xubuntu 13.10 sources in server 12.04
[17:41] <sohail-ahmed> yea thanks, Its a working xubuntu system through which I am writing to you. I guess that would be a good bet.
[17:42] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: dont "guess".. if its xubuntu 13.10, and you are using those sources in 12.04, thats *bad*
[17:42] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: is that the case?
[17:42] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: be *certain*.. ask.. look.. elaborate
[17:43] <sohail-ahmed> yes, but I have only changed the initial phrases, as "pk.archive.ubuntu....."    to       "archive.ubuntu...."
[17:43] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: friend, use the source generator i gave to generate the sources..
[17:43] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if you want to try what you have done, try it.. know how to revert
[17:44] <sohail-ahmed> ok mate. In the source generator link there is no ubuntu server should I use Precise 12.04 LTS
[17:45] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: if that is what you are using.. 12.04.. then yes
[17:46] <sohail-ahmed> its working....
[17:47] <sohail-ahmed> Thankyou God bless you!!!
[17:47] <sohail-ahmed> I have another little question, if you don't mind
[17:48] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: just ask.. a volunteer will chime in if they can help
[17:50] <sohail-ahmed> I have actually installed ubuntu server on my old pentium 4 pc that was just collecting dust. My plan was to use it as a file server. For that I have to install ssh-server on my ubunutu server, correct?? but the problem I am not sure is that ssh may not be able to connect to the server from my office which is behind NAT. What can I do to over come that?
[17:51] <sohail-ahmed> Do I need to buy a domain????
[17:52] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: a domain name? you dont need a domain name for what you are trying to do
[17:52] <holstein> ssh is one way to share files.. there are many others
[17:52] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you want to put your machine at home? the file server?
[17:52] <sohail-ahmed> yes
[17:53] <holstein> nad what "office is behind nat"? where you work?
[17:53] <holstein> and*
[17:53] <sohail-ahmed> yes my office network
[17:54] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: network? or another phyiscal place? not under your control
[17:55] <sohail-ahmed> sorry??
[17:55] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: what office netowrk?
[17:55] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: like, another physical location?
[17:55] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: or, just your office network at home?
[17:56] <sohail-ahmed> meaning in my office I don't connect to internet direectly but through a organizational server, meaning I am behind a router over which I have no control.
[17:56] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: "in your office" like, in your house? or another physical location?
[17:57] <sohail-ahmed> another physical location, the place where I work, my file server/ubunut server would be in my home.
[17:57] <holstein> ok.. so, you have no control over the office.. period
[17:57] <holstein> either you can connect to what you make, or not.. there are tricks for that.. running the servers on common ports they likely wouldnt block
[17:58] <sohail-ahmed> :( I have control over my office but not on the router I am using there.
[17:58] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: i suggest a service. something like dropbox, if the office doesnt block it
[17:59] <holstein> otherwise, you set up ssh locally, and test.. then you'll get the IP for your home, you can get that from http://www.whatsmyip.org/
[17:59] <sohail-ahmed> I have a static ip.
[17:59] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you will connect locally to the ip of the box at 192.168.0.22 or whatever.. something like that
[17:59] <holstein> then, the static ip that you reference above that you will determine as i indicated will be what you access from the outside
[18:00] <holstein> you will be able to, on your home router, forward the ssh port to the machine.. 22 is the default.. so, you would forward port 22 to 192.168.0.22 for example
[18:01] <holstein> you may want a static IP on your lan for that machine.. you may use any domain name to point to the ip of your home.. http://dyn.com/dns/ is what i use.. a free account
[18:01] <sohail-ahmed> so my ubuntu server sets a fixed local ip, the ifconfig gives, 192.168.1.5
[18:01] <holstein> there are many security implications in what you are trying to do that should be accounted for
[18:02] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: it doesnt 'get' one.. you'll give it one if you want it to have one
[18:02] <holstein> i dont know anything about your lan.. typically, next time you reboot, or the power goes off, that server can get *any* other 192.168.1.whatever IP from the router
[18:03] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: you configure it to use *.5 all the time.. or something outside the DHCP range.. like 192.168.1.222 or whatever
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> Isn't it the case that the server while configuring the network gives itself a static local ip?
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> that wont chaange after a reboot
[18:03] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: no
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> how can I give it a static ip.
[18:03] <sohail-ahmed> ?
[18:04] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: not typically.. thats up to you and how you set up your router
[18:04] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: as i suggested, you can give it a static ip oustide the DHCP range
[18:04] <sohail-ahmed> whats the command to set the static ip on my ubuntu server?
[18:05] <holstein> sohail-ahmed: http://askubuntu.com/questions/180925/how-to-setup-static-ip-in-ubuntu-server-12-04 is what i reference
[18:05] <holstein> or, i use the router to "reserve"
[18:05] <holstein> and trust no labels
[18:06] <holstein> sorry.. ignore the labels comment.. for another channel
[18:06] <sohail-ahmed> thanks for link
[18:18] <nanotube> oh and speaking of package management - am i the only one who's sad that synaptic isn't in the default install?
[18:19] <elfy> I'm not sad - easy enough to install it
[18:22] <Random832> Why does the Display Settings window come up whenever i plug in my AC adapter
[18:22] <Random832> or, not always, but sometimes, randomly, it's weird
[19:06] <Belial`> i installed the gnome-shell package in xubuntu 13.10 but when i go to log out/in i don't have an option to pick gnome-shell.
[19:06] <Belial`> just xubuntu session and xfce
[19:06] <Belial`> what am i missing?
[19:15] <krytarik> Belial`: Install the package "gnome-session" too.
[19:16] <Belial`> krytarik, thanks
[19:17] <YuhanS> My laptop is having trouble logging on automatically to wireless. Keep getting authentication box
[19:19] <YuhanS> This just started happening about a week ago. Before that all was fine.
[19:21] <YuhanS> Someone suggested that this  could be a glitch in the gnome keyring.
[19:22] <krytarik> YuhanS: Are you now autologging in too, and before you weren't?
[19:23] <YuhanS> I don't know...I'm completely new to this! I just logged in and asked my question.
[19:24] <krytarik> YuhanS: I mean to your desktop.
[19:24] <YuhanS> I am logged on to my laptop. If I open and shut the lid with the system on it logs in.
[19:48] <xubuntu155> Hello, just trying out this webclient while xubuntu is installing!  Nice feature!
[19:48] <krytarik> !hi | xubuntu155
[19:48] <krytarik> :)
[19:51] <xubuntu155> does the install option to 'skip' while the installation is going on still ensure that the installtion will complete and leave the user with a usable system?
[19:51] <xubuntu155> or should it be used with caution?
[19:51] <arctichenry> Ello all, anyone know of any good ways to get xubuntu to like a mac?
[19:52] <xubuntu155> hello krytarik , thanks for the welcome
[19:53] <krytarik> xubuntu155: Well, since it offers that, it should be fine, though those things will be left non-configured, and may have to be configured later.
[19:54] <krytarik> !mac | arctichenry
[19:54] <arctichenry> Would the install be any diffrent for xubuntu then ubuntu? Any aditional things to consider/do?
[19:57] <krytarik> arctichenry: Oh, you mean Xubuntu vs. Ubuntu - no, not really. :)
[20:02] <arceye> slower than a slow thing compaired to windows, that's all i can say,  but it is free :)
[20:07] <nanotube> elfy: well sure, and i do, but still. :P
[20:08] <Unit193> nanotube: And how to purge software-center and app-install-data* right?
[20:10] <uszasty> Hi. I have problem with my graphics, GeForce 7600GT, from gigabyte. Have installed latest stable properiaty drivers (304.something, installed by ubuntuxtreme script)
[20:11] <uszasty> And after some playing time screen is starting lag
[20:11] <uszasty> Whole screen, and game fps counter don't show any loss or something
[20:12] <uszasty> I'm used mint for some time, and this not occured there
[20:12] <nanotube> Unit193: well i just leave them be, disk space is cheap, but ... yea. :)
[20:16] <uszasty> Anyone? Something? It's making me sad, because mint is something overloaded, and there drivers won't work :|
[20:17] <arceye> uszasty, without sounding all negative and of no help what so ever.   welcome to linux, in maybe 10 years it will catch up ( when enough users move to it for hardware developers to think about support , like that will ever happen ) )
[20:18] <uszasty> Yeah, but i know it's work on ubuntu... well, clone, because I don't have other word to name it, and won't work on ubuntu itself?
[20:20] <knome> arceye, there are other channels to discuss that. please don't do it here.
[20:21] <Unit193> I have 304.88-0ubuntu8 on saucy, I don't see that issue so can't really help.
[20:21] <arceye> uszasty, I have a similar problem, in the last 3 days I have installed and removed 6 different disto's , the only one which gives me hope of working is xubuntu , even that is slower than a PIII 450 running winXP
[20:22] <Unit193> arceye: Go into Window Manager Tweaks and turn off the compositor, should give it some help.
[20:26] <uszasty> Okay, still not perfect, but it's better than nothing :) Thanks :)
[20:26] <arceye> Unit193, I Don't see it
[20:35] <arceye> Unit193, where exactly should I see these tweaks ? in windows manager I see style, keyboard, focus, advanced .
[20:36] <Unit193> arceye: Not Window Manager, Window Manager Tweaks, then the Compositor tab.
[20:36] <arceye> Unit193, and whee exactly do i find that ?
[20:36] <Unit193> Settings Manager
[20:37] <Unit193> (or launch xfwm4-tweaks-settings)
[20:37] <arceye> Unit193, found it , now I need to uncheck enable display compositing right ?
[20:37] <uszasty> Yes
[20:37] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:38] <arceye> Unit193, dont that and what should work differently now ?
[20:39] <arceye> *done even
[20:40] <Unit193> Graphics are likely faster, you disabled the compositor.
[20:40] <uszasty> What it actually does?
[20:40] <uszasty> That compositor thing?
[20:40] <arceye> Unit193, I was hoping the refresh rate of any open window would improve , or is that something else ?
[20:40] <Unit193> Transparency, some "pretty" stuff basically.
[20:41] <uszasty> Ahh, ok, don't need it anyway...
[20:41] <Unit193> uszasty: You'll likely notice the most on that bottom panel.
[20:43] <arceye> Unit193, here is the problems I have, this is whay I have so much negativity ,  opening apps takes forever, refresh rate of windows is visibly very slow , I listen to music streamed from windows media center a lot and when opening any app the music stops until app is loaded
[20:45] <Unit193> arceye: This is actually hardware, not a VM right?  Also, computer specs?
[20:47] <arceye> it is hardware yes,  I am trying to move away from winXP and it's EOL soon, but the performance in the same hardware is falling terribly short
[20:49] <arceye> hardware spec is AMD64 3200+   2GB Ram aith ati 3650 gfx < i know there are some gfx drivers problems and no support but that can't be the answer as I ran ubuntu 10.04 some years ago on the same hardware and it was great
[20:52] <holstein> arceye: you have tried the proprietary driver in lubuntu/xubuntu ?
[20:53] <holstein> arceye: seems like you were here already, and i suggested stock lubuntu and trying the proprietary ati driver for your hardware.. have you?
[20:53] <Slayers> hey all
[20:54] <Slayers> Need some help here, setting my mining rig up
[20:54] <Slayers> anyone got some spare time?
[20:55] <holstein> Slayers: i think the support avenue for whatever mining software you are tyring to use might be "better". though, if you are having specific issues, state them, and a volunteer may be able to assist
[20:55] <arceye> holstein, I was and I tried lubuntu which didn't work, I don't know how to install the proprietary drivers, I am afraid everything which kind of works will die , as it has in the passed
[20:55] <Slayers> I just installed the latest drivers and then rebooted, and had 4 choices to choose from, Ubuntu, memory test, memory test(and alot of text) and something else
[20:55] <holstein> arceye: you need to get to a point where "fear" is not an issue. have your data backed up, and do an install, and test the driver that is likely to make your hardware work best
[20:56] <Slayers> i tried Ubuntu and it was some kernel issues not syncing and VFS: unable to mount root fs on unkown-block or somethin
[20:57] <bekks> Slayers: Did you compile your kernel yourself?
[20:57] <holstein> Slayers: just get us the *exact* error message.. and let us know hwat hardware and drivers yuou tried
[20:57] <arceye> holstein, it's not data loss I am afraid of its the hours of time it takes, is there a point and click install of proprietary drivers or do I have to do command line crap ?  ( not meaning to be offensive here )
[20:58] <holstein> arceye: if you want to try the proper drivers, you will need to try and install the drivers
[20:58] <bekks> arceye: there is no point and click installing game. :)
[20:58] <holstein> arceye: there are many ways.. GUI package managers
[20:59] <holstein> arceye: what i usually do is fire up synaptic and search for the package/s i need/want, and try them based on.
[20:59] <holstein> !ati
[20:59] <holstein> ^
[20:59] <holstein> arceye: this is the "best" next course of action.. the proprietary driver can address the issues yo ustate having
[20:59] <Slayers> Im at the same screen again with these options: Ubuntu, Advanced options for Ubuntu, Memoy test(memtest86+)and Memory test(memtest86+, serial console 115200) which one shall i take to start it properly?
[20:59] <holstein> Slayers: what driver did you install?
[21:00] <arceye> holstein, gui package managers I can handle, they are point and click ,   I have seen that site I think followed it to the letter and ended up fomatting the hard drive 15 minutes later :(
[21:00] <Slayers> http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64
[21:00] <holstein> Slayers: you may need to start by removing whatever you have done, and starting over
[21:00] <Slayers> Those
[21:00] <holstein> Slayers: i would use the ones in the repos.. try removing those and using the ones in the repo
[21:00] <Slayers> repo?
[21:01] <holstein> Slayers: the default version included in ubuntu. in the defaul repos=repositories
[21:01] <holstein> !ati | Slayers
[21:01] <holstein> thats actually good for your issue as well
[21:01] <Slayers> ill check that out
[21:01] <Slayers> i got a guy helping me
[21:02] <Slayers> but he went brb
[21:02] <Slayers> but okay
[21:02] <Slayers> ill check that out
[21:03] <Slayers> btw that is ubuntu
[21:03] <Slayers> is xubuntu and ubuntu same thing?
[21:03] <Slayers> (almost same thing)?
[21:03] <holstein> Slayers: no.. xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[21:04] <holstein> Slayers: you take ubuntu, and you can make it xubuntu.. it uses the same sources
[21:04] <holstein> the drivers available in the repos for both.. and are the same drivers
[21:05] <Slayers> ok
[21:08] <Slayers> will it help anything for you if i tell my graphick cards?
[21:09] <holstein> Slayers: i have asked that information, but the link should help you determine..
[21:09] <arceye> holstein, is there a list of all the packages I need to install so I can use package manager , If I blindly follow the command line instructions my OS will be broken in no time
[21:10] <holstein> Slayers: one option is, amd has not offered a drvier for you that will support the funcionality you seek in linux
[21:10] <Slayers> oh
[21:11] <Slayers> should i try something else, like BAMT?
[21:11] <holstein> Slayers: you should keep in mind that the vendor hasnt promised you linux support, is my only point
[21:12] <Slayers> ok
[21:12] <holstein> Slayers: you should try the supported driver in the repo that you and arceye are having a hard time installing
[21:13] <holstein> what i do is search for a specific guide.. i'll run "lspci" in the terminal, and take the line there that describes the hardware, and search "that line ubuntu".. not "xubuntu", or "lubuntu"..
[21:14] <holstein> i want to see how someone with that specific hardware deals with it.. basically, you install the module, and reboot...
[21:15] <arceye> holstein, I will do that without a problem, help me add the line I need to the repo for none free and tell me what I need to get, or can I search the repo using "ati 3650 supported drivers"
[21:16] <holstein> arceye: i dont search "the repo".. i search the internet
[21:16] <holstein> arceye: the repo has a few different ati drivers there.. but not many
[21:18] <holstein> arceye: for example, this is someone with your exact hardware http://askubuntu.com/questions/77661/how-do-i-install-ati-radeon-hd-3650-driver-on-my-pc
[21:19] <holstein> there is also the vesa driver to test with.. which, on hardware of that vintage, i would be ok using..
[21:19] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[21:20] <holstein> it would be easy enough, arceye , to put an xorg.conf in place to test with, and see that the driver *is* the issue.. right now, i think you are assuming linux is slow on that hardware
[21:20] <holstein> it might be nice to just take the graphics driver support out of the equation, so you can see if you are interested in running linux or not
[21:21] <holstein> if you had well supported intel hardware, or if the manufacturer allowed ubuntu/linux to provide support for that hardware, you would basically just install the OS, and all the drivers would be there, in the kernel
[21:21] <arceye> holstein, That post was in 2011 things are very different now, I feel like I will be blindly following an out of date tutorial so leading to bigger problems, can you understand my worry here ?
[21:22] <holstein> arceye: not really
[21:22] <holstein> arceye: there is not worry.. just unsupported hardware that you will have to take on the responsiblity of providing the support
[21:23] <holstein> arceye: try the vesa driver, since that is "easy" and see if you want to bother with it
[21:23] <holstein> i realize its frustrating,a nd ideally, AMD would recognize your frustrations, and let the driver be provided.. but, that is likely not to happen anytime soon
[21:26] <arceye> in answer to your previous question of the intel hardware and everything just working then of course I would be interested, I want to run linux for the very reason it's free, I understand it will never stack up to windows, but it's free, I just want it to work
[21:27] <holstein> arceye: well, thats not a question.. just a statement. and its not really about "freedom".. just specifically about linux support
[21:28] <holstein> arceye: its not about "stacking up to windows"
[21:28] <holstein> arceye: that will be a specific opinion.. the support *is* there for many devices, and there is not way windows can "stack up to it" .. but that is not the issue here
[21:29] <holstein> you just have a problematic case.. just as you might have a printer laying about that windows 7 wouldnt work with.. its not a short coming of windows 7 that it cant use that printer.. there is just not hardware support for it
[21:30] <holstein> arceye: that being said, it should be relatively easy for you to try the vesa driver and remove the driver support from the equation on your system
[21:32] <arceye> ok, I am not in any way going to argue which is better, you are helping me and I appreciate it.
[21:32] <holstein> theres a reason why you arent rushing out and purchasing windows8 for that hardware.. its because there is not support for it.. its not a short coming of windows 8 that it doesnt support your hardware
[21:33] <holstein> and ideally, the "help" would come from where it does for windows.. from AMD themselves.. but, thats either not happening for your specific hardware, or not available
[21:34] <holstein> with the popularity of steam coming to linux, this issue of grahpics support is getting *much* better.. but for newer hardare
[21:34] <holstein> hardware*
[21:35] <holstein> nothing linux is doing is making that better.. its just the manufacturers getting involvde in provided the support, since its becoming commercially viable
[21:36] <arceye> I AM buying windows 8 for my gaming pc, and I hear what you say about steam, I was in fact looking to purchase a steam box, but I am going to wait until I see if it fails or not
[21:37] <holstein> arceye: then, you can see *exactly* what i mean in person. you can take win8 and put it on that hardware.. then, you can ask yourself if its somehow a shortcoming of win8 that its not working thre
[21:37] <holstein> there*
[21:37] <arceye> anyway back to the help if possible .. vesa drivers how and where
[21:38] <holstein> arceye: the xorg.conf i linked
[21:38] <holstein> you put in in place, and reboot and test
[21:39] <holstein> arceye: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 is the link.. has the file there.. you save it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:40] <holstein> you can run gedit with admin privs.. gksudo gedit ..it will open.. copy/paste what you find in that link.. save it as "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".. reboot, knowing how to get rid of that file from a live CD or  tty if it doesnt work
[21:41] <holstein> arceye: dont worry about the resolution for now.. simply test this driver  and the responsiveness
[21:43] <arceye> holstein, 2 questions : I dont' have a file called xorg.conf in that location, so do I have to make it ? if I get a blank screen on reboot how do I then fix it ?
[21:46] <arceye> holstein, step 1 how do I actually make this file to put the text into ?
[21:46] <holstein> arceye: you open gedit as adminsitrator using "gksudo gedit" from a terminal. copy paste the contents from that link. specifically http://paste.ubuntu.com/6939799/
[21:47] <holstein> then, you *save* it to "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[21:47] <holstein> not x11.. must be "/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:47] <holstein> you wont edit a file there, since there is none.. you will save the contents to that file
[21:48] <holstein> arceye: if you get a "blank screen".. you can load up a live CD and remove "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and get back to where you are. *or* use a tty and do it from the command line
[21:48] <arceye> holstein, liveCD sounds like the plan :)
[21:49] <holstein> arceye: i think its easy, and you'll have a GUI.. a normal filemanager
[21:50] <arceye> I have got the DIR open  but not got gedit installed,  can I use abiword and save it with the correct extension e.i .conf
[21:51] <holstein> arceye: you can do many things from there.. you could use another editor.. you can install gedit.. you can use whatever editor you want
[21:52] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:52] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gedit
[21:52] <holstein> gksudo "whateverGUIeditor" and continue from above
[21:57] <holstein> arceye: i also would try and just power through this as quick as possible.. i typically try the 3 (or more) driver options as quick as i can and determine if im going to keep the hardware, and/or what purpose its going to serve
[21:58] <arceye> I am trying, I made the file but I can't save it to the correct dir ( I guess I need to be root to do that )
[22:07] <arceye> sorry, I have made the file ages ago but I can't put it in /etc/X11  no access
[22:08] <knome> arceye, in terminal: sudo cp /path/to/your.file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:08] <knome> (assuming you want to overwrite/copy to the latter location, i'm jumping in from the middle)
[22:09] <arceye> knome,  thanks there isn't an existing file in there so nothing to overwrite
[22:11] <arceye> holstein, file is there, now I just reboot right ?
[22:14] <arceye> holstein, if that file wasn't there to begin with then it isn't being used, so why would it be used now, or it it only used if present ?
[22:14] <knome> arceye, xorg.conf is only used if present
[22:14] <arceye> knome, thanks
[22:15] <arceye> <<---  prepares to reboot fingers and toes crossed and waiting for the gotcha
[22:20] <xubuntu907> hello, everyone
[22:21] <xubuntu907> im having trouble with the installation gui
[22:22] <xubuntu907> does anyone has a problem with installing xubuntu 13.20?
[22:22] <knome> xubuntu907, please ask the real question
[22:22] <knome> that is, describe what is not working in the installation gui
[22:23] <xubuntu907> the screen is incomplete and shaky
[22:23] <knome> xubuntu907, did you try with the "try xubuntu" option?
[22:23] <xubuntu907> and cant see the buttons to go any further
[22:23] <xubuntu907> nope, went right for the installatinon
[22:24] <knome> i would see if that has problems as well before debugging it further
[22:24] <knome> if it has problems as well, you might need to set some more options for the installer to be able to proceed
[22:24] <xubuntu907> right, knome, thanks, im trying it first
[22:24] <arceye> holstein, well..   it rebooted and I now have 2 screens which are mirroring eachother
[22:25] <xubuntu907> it surely has something to do with my nvidia graphics card
[22:25] <arceye> can I change the resolution using settings manager / display , or do I have to edit that xorg file ?
[22:26] <knome> xubuntu907, that's possible
[22:26] <knome> arceye, if the settings manager dialog shows the options (if you have created the xorg.conf file in the right way), of course
[22:28] <arceye> knome,
[22:29] <arceye> ok left screen now has a limit of 1084 x 768, so do I alter that in xorg.conf file
[22:39] <arceye> knome, movie playback is now a slideshow , So I assume the xorg.conf thing wasn't the answer
[22:45] <arceye> how do I delete the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?   I am guessing it will have to be done in terminal but what is command ?
[22:45] <bekks> arceye: USe the configuration program of your graphics driver, you dont need to delete files.
[22:46] <knome> arceye, sudo rm ...
[22:47] <arceye> knome, sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf   ?
[22:47] <knome> arceye, yes
[22:47] <knome> OTHER USERS: please do not type that command. it might break your system
[22:48] <arceye> sorry for that, it never occurred to me that someone would do that
[22:48] <knome> no problem
[22:48] <arceye> done now so reboot again
[22:52] <arceye> that's better :)
[22:54] <arceye> now.. if I blindly follow this tutorial http://askubuntu.com/questions/77661/how-do-i-install-ati-radeon-hd-3650-driver-on-my-pc   how do I undo it, if it breaks everything ?
[22:55] <bekks> Run the .run with --help and pray it has an uninstall option.
[22:55] <arceye> in fact, sorry I can't follow it, it is directions to uninstall proprietary drivers and I thought I needed to install them
[22:57] <bekks> So uninstall them again, as they broke your system.
[22:57] <arceye> advise me on which package manager to install
[22:58] <bekks> !ati | arceye
[23:00] <arceye> bekks, I'm sorry but I can't follow what it is saying, it goes off on too many tangents, too many ifs and butts
[23:00] <bekks> arceye: you install the driver manually, dont you?
[23:01] <arceye> I don't do anything manually I need a package manager first but don't know which one to get, my xubuntu doesn't have one installed that I can find
[23:02] <bekks> Did you manually install your graphics driver: yes or no?
[23:03] <arceye> I currently have whatever was installed by the OS on clean install
[23:04] <bekks> So you have a package management system called dpkg, and a frontend called apt-get   -- and only these are required for that guide.
[23:12] <arceye> bekks, I am reading that page and can't see where the actual install is done, it gets to the point of how to recover when it breaks ( fills me with confidence ), up to then all it has done is told me how to find out what gfx card I have, then made and edited a new xorg.conf file
[23:20] <krytarik> arceye: Just begin with checking the Additional Drivers tool for any 'recommended' proprietary drivers for your graphics device.
[23:20] <arceye> my current ati drivers are ( I think ) a wrapper provided for Mach64, Rage128, Radeon, FireGL, FireMV, FirePro and FireStream
[23:23] <arceye> krytarik, no additional drivers available , No proprietary drivers in use
[23:25] <impossible> whats the bottom panel called in xubuntu
[23:26] <impossible> dock?
[23:28] <Unit193> xfce4-panel
[23:29] <krytarik> arceye: It seems like, your card as well, isn't supported by the proprietary ATI/AMD driver anymore - in this case, you can only continue using the default, open source 'radeon' on, and live with the performance it delivers.
[23:30] <krytarik> *one
[23:30] <arceye> is that what I already have , from what I just said about the drivers I think are installed
[23:32] <impossible> xfce uses compiz?
[23:33] <krytarik> arceye: Yup - you can verify that with: "lshw -C video".
[23:34] <krytarik> impossible: Nope, not by default.
[23:34] <impossible> great! thanks krytarik
[23:36] <arceye> krytarik, I run that command and get a message you should run is as super user
[23:37] <arceye> krytarik, I do su then it refuses my password :(
[23:37] <krytarik> arceye: Yeah, I know, it still delivers the correct, needed info.
[23:37] <krytarik> *though
[23:37] <bekks> arceye: use sudo, not su.
[23:38] <arceye> ok thanks I though sudo    was short for super user do
[23:40] <krytarik> arceye: Yup, it is - rather than what you've just tried instead, which is -logging in- as root.
[23:40] <arceye> the output is Product RV635 configuration : driver -radeon
[23:40] <krytarik> arceye: And the root account is by default disabled in Ubuntu.
[23:41] <krytarik> arceye: Yup, there you go. :)
[23:41] <krytarik> arceye: Btw, what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[23:41] <arceye> krytarik, so that is what I have , I am using 13. something
[23:43] <krytarik> arceye: Do you have the same issues when running a Live session too?
[23:43] <krytarik> arceye: Because usually the 'radeon' driver should do fine enough at least.
[23:44] <arceye> I would say yes, I ran live only for a few minutes to see if it allowed the use of my dual monitor, once I saw that it did, I installed
[23:45] <krytarik> arceye: Then I'd try it with just the same things you are having issues with currently.
[23:49] <arceye> krytarik, I guess it will have to do, it will work for basic office type stuff and basic net browsing.