[00:33] <karat> Google
[00:34] <valorie> ?
[00:34] <karat> Are you got it or against it?
[00:34] <karat> for it*
[00:34] <valorie> like any company, it's both good and bad
[00:34] <karat> I've often wondered if Google is in favor of open source
[00:34] <valorie> why?
[00:35] <valorie> oh yes, they sponsor GSoC and GCi
[00:35] <valorie> and have an open source division
[00:35] <valorie> they sponsored our book sprint (KDE)
[00:36] <valorie> they support Chromium, which is open source
[00:36] <karat> If they are so much in favor of it... Why would they advertise that the project is to achieve a large paycheck in their ads?
[00:37] <valorie> which ads?
[00:37] <karat> And why would there be so much network traffic going on in the background
[00:37] <valorie> and lets take this to off-topic
[00:37] <valorie> #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:37] <karat> the GSoC ads littered with bits of broken code
[00:37] <valorie> this chan is for kubuntu support
[00:38] <karat> well.. i'm having problems with my OS
[00:38] <karat> And i'm wondering if it isn't a GSoC virus
[00:38] <valorie> ?
[00:38] <valorie> I've never heard of such a thing
[00:39] <karat> My bios has been flashed, my android phone has picked up a market bug, (its in horrible shape) there is a google+ bug going around emailing each other contact information full of chainmail
[00:39] <karat> Its one of the most in depth viruses in the google system i've ever seen in my life.... why are they worried about webpages?
[00:40] <valorie> this has nothing to do with Kubuntu, sorry
[00:40] <karat> And someone attempted to password lock my hdd
[00:40] <karat> with the bios flash
[00:40] <karat> This all came from my phone... I shit you not
[00:41] <valorie> perhaps you should do a clean re-install then
[00:41] <karat> It was done with busybox, the busybox was a tiny linux OS that was accessed remotely
[00:41] <karat> I did, as well as encrypted my hdd
[00:43] <karat> along with password protecting my bios and my stuff.... However it seems that the same code that is in these web pages has infected my desktop.  However my phone seems to be wirelessly accessing my compter upon boot (as network boot is enabled within the flashed bios)
[00:44] <karat> At this point I could give you mac addresses (even though there are spoofed mac addys in my computer)
[00:44] <karat> But i have a log file of an xterm battle of chown that was nearly hillarious
[00:45] <karat> I could go on to explain more about it.... This is the most in depth virus I have ever seen in my life
[00:46] <apb1963> Is there any reason I should not change my display manager from kdm to something else?
[00:47] <karat> my akregator has been recoded to mimic muon to install things
[00:47] <karat> And thats why I'm under the impression that this isn't at all the Google Summer of Code.... This is a virus
[00:48] <karat> More of a group of hackers just having a ball on my phone and computer.
[00:48] <karat> But i do have checksum numbers and mac adresses
[00:49] <karat> very very interesting logs of netstat
[00:52] <karat> So at this point I think i'm going to remove my sim card... remove my battery, flash my bios, usb stick install my os again after compiling it on a seperate computer... and go from there unless someone has a better suggestion
[00:53] <karat> And turn this in to someone who can handle it... I'm in WAY over my head
[00:54] <karat> They are doing all this through an exploit in my phone thats being logged in my laptop
[00:55] <karat> I don't have any privledages to my phone at all... its not even MINE anymore
[00:55] <valorie> you should be able to reset your phone to factory
[00:55] <karat> Suggestions?
[00:55]  * valorie goes off to dinner
[00:55] <karat> Nope
[00:55] <karat> Tried that
[00:56] <karat> As i said before... i don't have the right -rw -rw -rw etc etc to my phone
[00:56] <karat> Its been compromised
[00:56] <karat> They could brick it at any time if they wanted
[00:56] <karat> Which, in turn, is why i started logging activity on it
[00:57] <karat> You wouldn't believe the activity
[00:58] <karat> I can't even access google anymore on my phone... Nor can i access the internet on my laptop, except through my phone
[00:58] <karat> Its quite the deal
[00:58] <karat> If i had high speed internet.... I would be gone by now
[02:13] <pietro10> Is there a way I can find out what a  GTK+ and a KDE program see as the fontconfig? so I can figure out why my GTK+ programs use different font rendering in the absence of fonts.conf - http://imgur.com/dyfjNcz (GTK left, KDE right) - Thanks.
[03:33] <pietro10> Is there any other place (or another network?) where I can go to get help with my gtk+ apps on kde font problem if no one here knows?
[04:39] <rohan> sometimes after my system resumes from suspend, lightdm does not show the login box at all.. it just shows the wallpaper and i am able to move the mouse pointer
[04:39] <rohan> but i can't actually unlock the session to get back to KDE
[04:39] <rohan> if i switch to a VT, i can see the processes still running.. chrome, konsole, for example. but i have no way to get to them because lightdm does not show the login box
[06:23] <nova> I'm having a problem with ipv6, ufw, and google.  The firewall is blocking traffic from google from port 443 to a random port on my system, but I think it should be using a stateful connection and allowing it.  This might apply to any secure http services, and not jsut google, but I'm not certain.  Does anyone know why this might be happening?
[06:27] <nova> It's making all google services impossible to use reliably unless I disable the firewall.  Making a rule isn't a viable option because the only consistent feature of the traffic is that it comes from port 443.  I don't want to allow traffic from any ip as long as it's coming from port 443, and even if I did, I tried it and the firewall still blocks it.
[06:30] <valorie> nova, have you tried building a deny/allow hosts file?
[06:31] <nova> ive made rules for the things i need to allow if thats what you mean
[06:31] <nova> everything is working like it should, except https traffic over the ipv6 connection
[06:32] <valorie> !ufw
[06:32] <valorie> iptables is what I was trying to remember
[06:32] <nova> if you mean making a rule to allow from specific hosts, I would have to know all the addresses of all the various google services, plus this might apply to all https servers not jsut google but I'm not certain
[06:33] <nova> yeah im using ufw, which is jsut a frontend for iptables
[06:33] <nova> im not using any ufw gui because they are all broken und useless
[06:33]  * valorie goes away to watch the olympics
[06:33] <nova> I'm using the standard setup, allow out/deny in
[06:34] <valorie> best of luck, nova
[06:34] <nova> ty
[07:01] <rohan> sometimes after my system resumes from suspend, lightdm does not show the login box at all.. it just shows the wallpaper and i am able to move the mouse pointer
[07:01] <rohan> but i can't actually unlock the session to get back to KDE
[07:01] <rohan> if i switch to a VT, i can see the processes still running.. chrome, konsole, for example. but i have no way to get to them because lightdm does not show the login box
[08:39] <naftilos76> Hi i installed kubuntu 13.10 a week ago. My installation language was Greek. Sometime later i changed the language to English through System settings where i get to choose the preffered languages. At that time i saw that only Greek was there (right side) while on the left side contained all other languages.  So i added English to the right list and removed Greek  (moved it to the left side of available languages). The transition seemed to work for the
[08:39] <naftilos76> English language. When i did the same thing reverting back to the Greek language then problems occured. The folders names in ~/ are unrecognisable, some words in the system settings are still in English. Dolphin does not show my favorite folders in ~/ in Greek but rather in an unrecognisable way. Does anybody have any experience with Greek or other languages on how to go back to my language?
[08:41] <mahfiaz> naftilos76: you can just rename your folders the way you like
[08:41] <nova> did you change the character set?
[08:42] <naftilos76> I suppose i can do that but what about the stuff that are still in English?
[08:42] <nova> utf-8 would be international and compatible i think
[08:42] <naftilos76> I did not change any character set
[08:42] <naftilos76> Everything on the hd are utf8
[08:42] <mahfiaz> changing languages somehow must have done it for you
[08:43] <nova> yeah verify that its utf-8 if you havent
[08:43] <naftilos76> Something is obviously buggy. All i did was to change the language. I did not change anything else.
[08:43] <nova> right
[08:43] <naftilos76> How can i verify utf8?
[08:43] <nova> its not file corruption is it?
[08:43] <naftilos76> No no definitely not
[08:44] <naftilos76> The favorites folders in my ~/ are old back from ubuntu Maverick 10.10
[08:44] <naftilos76> Do you think that there may be an issue with the char set?
[08:44] <mahfiaz> naftilos76: what does echo $LANG and echo $LC_ALL say?
[08:44] <nova> did you try having both languages installed?
[08:45] <nova> I think you can have both and toggle somehow
[08:45] <nova> ill look into the character set thing see what i find
[08:45] <naftilos76> at first i left both languages on the right list of preffered languages
[08:46] <naftilos76> This is what i get! el_GR.ISO-8859-1
[08:46] <naftilos76> This is wrong
[08:46] <naftilos76> Greek ISO is 8859-7
[08:46] <naftilos76> echo $LC_ALL returns nothing
[08:47] <mahfiaz> naftilos76: there it is, you would always be better off with el_GR.UTF-8
[08:47] <naftilos76> where do i find this setting?
[08:48] <naftilos76> I didn't see any such settings in system settings
[08:49] <mahfiaz> I would change it with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:49] <naftilos76> n it
[08:49] <nova> yeah thats what i was looking for
[08:49] <naftilos76> on it
[08:50] <naftilos76> it gave me some errors
[08:51] <naftilos76> let me pastebin
[08:51] <naftilos76> http://pastebin.com/MPMM1qNF
[08:51] <naftilos76> Can you pls have a look?
[08:52] <mahfiaz> did you enable el_GR.UTF-8?
[08:53] <mahfiaz> or are you trying to resort to english?
[08:53] <naftilos76> I did not. I do not know how to do that. Running dpkg-reconfigure didn't ask me to do anything
[08:53] <mahfiaz> oh, sorry, you did
[08:53] <naftilos76> No, i want to go back to Greek
[08:53] <naftilos76> el_GR.UTF-8
[08:54] <mahfiaz> it did show you a text-based dialog where you can move around with arrows, tab, select with space and confirm with enter
[08:54] <naftilos76> Nop
[08:54] <mahfiaz> strange
[08:55] <mahfiaz> anyway it shows that you have el_GR.UTF-8 generated
[08:55] <nova> in the system settings gui, can you install both en_us and el_gr?
[08:55] <naftilos76> Greek is already installed
[08:56] <nova> and english us?
[08:56] <naftilos76> Should i go back to English and then back to Greek
[08:56] <naftilos76> Only Greek is installed right now
[08:56] <nova> im thinking you can have both installed, and switch which the default is with dpkg-reconfigure
[08:56] <nova> should be able to anyway
[08:57] <naftilos76> I mean that only Greek is in the right list of preffered languages
[08:57] <nova> yes, can you add both greek and english US?
[08:57] <naftilos76> ok one sec
[08:58] <nova> just a thought, maybe the transition didn't go right and having both there would help.
[08:58] <mahfiaz> you can change the default locale in /etc/default/locale
[08:58] <mahfiaz> and it should make everything back to normal
[08:58] <mahfiaz> after a reboot probably
[08:58] <nova> part of your errors were file not found stuff..maybe because the filenames are scrambled
[08:59] <naftilos76> ok let me change the lang in settings first and see if that help after doing the reconfig
[08:59] <naftilos76> yes i think you are right
[08:59] <mahfiaz> nova: nope, these system files have only ASCII letters and look just fine
[09:00] <naftilos76> ok i am gonna log out and back in for changes to take effect
[09:08] <nova> naftilos take a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/162391/how-do-i-fix-my-locale-issue
[09:08] <naftilos76> Hi, i am back. Problem persists. No matter what i choose, when i do echo $LANG i get en_US.ISO-8859-1 or el_GR.SO-8859-1
[09:08] <nova> http://askubuntu.com/questions/162391/how-do-i-fix-my-locale-issue
[09:08] <naftilos76> for some reason ISO-8859-1 is selected
[09:09] <naftilos76> let me do that
[09:09] <nova> should it be 8859-7?
[09:09] <naftilos76> i cannot beleive kde is still having such problems
[09:09] <naftilos76> nop, probably utf
[09:09] <nova> should probably be utf-8 either way
[09:10] <naftilos76> 8859-7 used to be a selection back in the days of win95
[09:10] <nova> but it looks like it isnt or wasnt
[09:10] <naftilos76> ok let me see the links you entered
[09:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:11] <nova> locale-gen might be the part you need
[09:12] <nova> heres another link: http://www.flynsarmy.com/2011/04/fixing-perl-locale-errors-in-a-clean-ubuntu-install/
[09:13] <nova> that one suggests a full reboot, maybe a logout isn't enough.
[09:14] <naftilos76> rebooting
[09:18] <jdoles> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271934
[09:18] <nova> any luck?
[09:18] <jdoles> When are you going to fix that one?
[09:18] <jdoles> It has been open for almost 3 years.
[09:19] <jdoles> It has "we don't maintain KDE" written all over it.
[09:19] <jdoles> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/747719
[09:29] <nova> any luck?
[09:30] <nova> naftilos76 any luck?
[09:30] <naftilos76> I am working on it.
[09:31] <jussi> hrm, how do I converta pdf to a certain sized png?
[09:31] <naftilos76> I am changing the script in ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh which basically sets the locale
[09:31] <nova> take a screenshot of it?
[09:32] <nova> hmmm
[09:32] <lordievader> jussi: Maybe Gimp can read pdf's?
[09:32] <jussi> nova: not really, I need to keep the transparency
[09:32] <jussi> lordievader: ahh dammit, Ive not got gimp here yet... :(
[09:32] <naftilos76> let me do a reboot and i will take as many screenshots as you want
[09:32] <nova> oh no not you sorry
[09:33] <lordievader> jussi: You are just an "apt-get install gimp" away from Gimp ;)
[09:33] <jussi> lordievader: "convert" works, but gives me a tiny picture :/
[09:33] <jussi> and convert man page is rubbish
[09:34] <lordievader> jussi: Also when you set -size: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php
[09:34] <lordievader> jussi: See also: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#size
[09:35] <jussi> lordievader: ahh, my -size input options were poor.
[09:36] <nova> I'm having a problem with ipv6, ufw, and google.  The firewall is blocking traffic from google from port 443 to a random port on my system, but I think it should be using a stateful connection and allowing it.  This might apply to any secure http services, and not jsut google, but I'm not certain.  Does anyone know why this might be happening?
[09:36] <nova> It's making all google services impossible to use reliably unless I disable the firewall.  Making a rule isn't a viable option because the only consistent feature of the traffic is that it comes from port 443.  I don't want to allow traffic from any ip as long as it's coming from port 443, and even if I did, I tried it and the firewall still blocks it.
[09:42] <naftilos76> Hi guys, the problem is fixed. The file ~/.kde/env/setlocales.sh is updated by the system settings gui when you change languages (add-remove from the right list of preffered languages). There are two lines of text in that file. The fist in my case is "export LANG=el_GR.UTF-8" and the second is "export LANGUAGE=el:en_US:en". The weird thing is that only the second line is updated when a change occurs in the locale settings in system settings gui.
[09:42] <nova> cool glad you fixed it
[09:43] <naftilos76> The first line was stuck to export LANG=el_GR.ISO-8859-1
[09:43] <naftilos76> no matter what i did
[09:43] <nova> strange
[09:44] <naftilos76> so after changing the ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 everything appeared as supposed to after a reboot
[09:44] <naftilos76> It seems more like a bug
[09:45] <naftilos76> Thanks for your time guys. I really appreciate it.
[09:47] <naftilos76> nova, can please do a : cat ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh for me ?
[09:47] <nova> yes 1 sec
[09:48] <nova> No such file or directory
[09:49] <naftilos76> are you on kubuntu ?
[09:49] <nova> i think normally that folder is empty
[09:49] <nova> yes
[09:49] <naftilos76> well maybe an older version
[09:49] <naftilos76> i am on 13.10
[09:49] <nova> though that will run during boot ibelieve
[09:49] <nova> me too
[09:50] <naftilos76> this runs while entering your session
[09:50] <naftilos76> anyway, thanks
[09:50] <nova> ive added a script to that folder to workaround another issue a few times..and on a fresh install of 13.10 that folder doesnt exist to begin with
[09:51] <naftilos76> I have probably have it because i am using Greek
[09:51] <nova> that would only apply to that user i think as well
[09:51] <nova> not a system wide default
[09:52] <naftilos76> The default locale couldn't be any other than English which is what you are using i guess
[09:52] <naftilos76> Yes, it is for every user's session
[09:52] <nova> yes the only thing i ever have to change i think is en_uk to en_us sometimes
[09:53] <nova> so is anyone using ufw with ipv6?
[09:57] <pietro10> well I built a fonts.conf that caused fc-match to produce the same output as it did before; now I just have to make sure KDE programs stay the same... next time I reboot; until then, thanks anyway
[09:58] <nova> hmm?
[09:59] <pietro10> http://imgur.com/dyfjNcz
[09:59] <pietro10> left is tgkt, right is kde
[09:59] <pietro10> I wanted gtk to look like kde, but without changing kde int he process; preivously I wasn't able to do this, I could make GTK look fine but not without changing KDE
[10:01] <pietro10> now I get this: http://imgur.com/Cz7yoIG
[10:02] <pietro10> it seems to look the same, though the list of numbers seems to be rendered somewhat differently, and I will need to rreboot to check konversation again
[10:03] <nova> did you set the font in system settings / application appearance / gtk settings?
[10:03] <nova> you're trying to match the font yes?
[10:05] <nova> you should be able to set the kde font in system settings / application appearance / fonts, and the font for gtk in system settings / application appearance / gtk settings
[10:08] <nova> here's a random question:  is there something like tail -f filename | column -t that actually works?
[10:08] <nova> colum waits for the output from tail to end, but it doesn't end
[11:20] <pietro10> nova: I was trying to set font rendering; the font itself is correct
[11:22] <nova> ahh ok sorry
[11:36] <John_John_> hi, i am new to linux. what's the differences between the official ubuntu and kubuntu besides the kde interface ?
[11:40] <qdata> John_John_: not much really, Ubuntu has a Gnomish desktop and Kubuntu has a KDE desktop
[11:40] <qdata> underneath is mostly all the same
[11:41] <qdata> and niether is mutually exclusive either, for example KDE uses Gstreamer as and audio backend and that comes from gnomish land
[11:41] <John_John_> repositories and package versions are all the same ? a re fully compatible ? the get their software updates and all from the same source ?
[11:41] <qdata> yup
[11:43] <qdata> and just because you choose to use KDE/Kubuntu desktop does not mean you cannot also run gnomish applications
[11:43] <John_John_> to run gnomish apps i have to install gnome interface first ?
[11:43] <qdata> not really
[11:44] <John_John_> not really ? is that a yes or no ? sorry i am new here :)
[11:44] <qdata> if you install something Gnomish the package manager will pull in any dependencies required
[11:44] <John_John_> aha i get it now
[11:45] <qdata> the first one will pull in a large chunk of gnome but not all of it; only what that app needs dependency wise
[11:45] <John_John_> but all the time now u use the word gnomish and i already know that ubuntu uses another interface called "UNITY" wrong ?
[11:45] <qdata> after that you'll find another app a;ready has a lot of dependencies satodfied and will pull in less and less
[11:46] <qdata> I'm not a gnome person - in fact I despise it
[11:47] <qdata> so I'm quite biased, but I think what you're asking is Unity is what Canonical made out of Gnome 3, or a fork thereof right before Gnome 3
[11:47] <John_John_> from the little i have seen it i dont like it too. i like kde though and maybe xfce but i am not quite sure for that just yet
[11:48] <John_John_> actually i would like to know how compatible is the unity to the official gnome 3
[11:48] <qdata> I've used KDE for a very long time so I'm extremely biased, in spite of everything in KDE land not being perfection either
[11:49] <John_John_> but tbh i like unity a lot better
[11:49] <qdata> well I wouldn't know the answer to that
[11:49] <qdata> what they're trying to do with unity is make one interface that works on phones, tablets, and desktops
[11:49] <qdata> and is the same everywhere
[11:49] <John_John_> right!!! that makes sense!!
[11:50] <John_John_> so really i dont care about canonical's business plans right now i guess
[11:50] <John_John_> i am gonna stick with the most featured whitch is kde i guess
[11:51] <John_John_> if i would like lightness i would go xfce
[11:51] <John_John_> is there a flavor for ubuntu xfce ??
[11:51] <qdata> I've used LXDE on netbooks
[11:51] <qdata> yes there is
[11:52] <qdata> and LXDE recently combined with the Razor-Qt project to frift LXDE away from GTK and switch it to Qt
[11:53] <John_John_> which means ??
[11:53] <qdata> switching the underlying GUI toolkit
[11:54] <qdata> the widget set toolkit for Gnomish stuff is GTK version something or other while KDE is based on the Qt toolkit
[11:55] <John_John_> aha
[11:55] <qdata> a GUI toolkit is collections of already pre-built GUI items like the corner of a window box or a drop down menu
[11:55] <qdata> a desktop is built out of these, or on top of these if you will
[11:57] <John_John_> now you mention that and because my profession is developer (but in microsoft .net world until now and i want to move to the linux world also) i have heard that many new frameworks invest in GTK 3 much and not so in QT am i mistaken here ? can you shed a light ?
[11:58] <qdata> for example, just because you run KDE doesn't mean you cannot run Firefox - which is built as a GTK2 application
[11:58] <qdata> I'm probably not the best person to answer that
[11:59] <qdata> Qt has had a semi uncertain history at times
[11:59] <John_John_> its ok no probs :)
[11:59] <qdata> while GTK has been fairly stolid and stable
[12:00] <qdata> Qt was once Trolltech as an open source company similar to a Redhat
[12:00] <Yuuki> Hi all
[12:00] <John_John_> can you please give me your unbiased opinion/comparison between ubuntu and mint ? i would appreciate much!
[12:00] <John_John_> Yuuki: hi
[12:01] <qdata> and it's commercial ownership has changed 2 or 3 times and some in open source view that as a semi uncertain future with doubts
[12:01] <qdata> well I tried Mint when they started releasing KDE spins
[12:02] <qdata> and it has some of the same flaws as al lthe other distros which are probably upstream KDE problems
[12:02] <qdata> I suspect the Canonical people are patching KDE to fix things and either the patches aren't being propagated upstream or upstream isn't accepting them
[12:03] <John_John_> and what's different in kubuntu then ? why aren't there flaws here ?
[12:04] <John_John_> excuse me, is canonical behind kubuntu too ??
[12:04] <qdata> Canonical engineers are ficinf them
[12:05] <John_John_> unofficially in a sense ? or is canonical officially behind kubuntu ?
[12:05] <qdata> Canonical allows for a community project to reorganize a software collection
[12:06] <qdata> you have the commercial company but there are "connected" communities as well - just like Fedora is a community while RHEL from Red Hat is commercial
[12:06] <qdata> same as openSUSE is to SUSE
[12:07] <John_John_> so kubuntu is not a separate minority community of ubuntu right ?
[12:07] <tsimpson> canonical don't sponsor kubuntu, but they do provide community resources
[12:07] <qdata> so Kubuntu can be a community of open source developers and packagers with very close ties to the commercial entity
[12:08] <tsimpson> blue systems sponsor kubuntu now
[12:08] <qdata> yes
[12:08] <qdata> exactly
[12:09] <John_John_> i dont know who blue systems is all i know is who canonical is --> BILLIONAIRES
[12:09] <tsimpson> hardly
[12:10] <John_John_> no it's true, billionaires and enthusiasts too!!
[12:10] <tsimpson> I don't think canonical has ever made a profit
[12:10] <John_John_> that's why i am saying too!!!
[12:10] <John_John_> that's why thay made linux that far
[12:10] <qdata> as far as I know Mark S is the only rich guy
[12:10] <John_John_> yes thats him i guess
[12:11] <John_John_> anyways i dont wanna troll the discussion here
[12:11] <qdata> and I haven't followed all that stuff so much, but my impression has always been he's from South Africa and not the US
[12:11] <tsimpson> he is from South Africa, yes
[12:11] <qdata> and he wants to create something for the rest of the world (eg non-US)
[12:12] <John_John_> all i wanna say is i believe in canonical because the guys are the only ones up to this day that managed to bring linux to humanity
[12:12] <tsimpson> Ubuntu is itself an African word
[12:12] <qdata> so the rest of the world isn't completely dependent on Microsoft for everything all the time
[12:13] <John_John_> so i go back to my first question and i am sorry to repeat it because i am a new user and i would like to choose my distro to begin with. does kubuntu deviates from ubuntu ?
[12:14] <John_John_> i know so far it's not but i would like a confirmation from you too :)
[12:14] <qdata> africa and third world in general is poor and can't really afford to pay billions to Microsoft but in order to modernize still need computers as a resource
[12:14] <tsimpson> like all flavours, it shares the same core packages as Ubuntu but has a different UI, set of default applications, and default settings
[12:15] <qdata> behind the scenes is the Debian packaging system
[12:15] <John_John_> ok maybe these are better than unity (i hope so at least)
[12:15] <pShubh> I building but got an error saying KdepimLIbs 4.12.4 required
[12:16] <tsimpson> you can have both on the same system
[12:16] <pShubh> Though the latest available is 4.11.5
[12:16] <tsimpson> you just install kubuntu-desktop from an ubuntu install, or ubuntu-desktop from a kubuntu install
[12:16] <John_John_> now you mentioned debian, have you used debian stable before ? how dows it compare to ubuntu ?
[12:16] <tsimpson> and you can choose which to login to from the login screen
[12:16] <John_John_> tsimpson: i didnt know that !!! really ??
[12:17] <qdata> I've just recently spent two months evaluating Mint16, Manjaro, Sabayon, Fedora 20,a nd some others and I am back to Kubuntu because imho at this time it is the best place to get and run a KDE desktop
[12:17] <tsimpson> John_John_: absolutely, they share exactly the same core OS components
[12:17] <John_John_> qdata: what didn't you like in fedora 20 ??
[12:18] <John_John_> tsimpson: is there a good graphical package manager in kubuntu ?
[12:18] <qdata> first time I tried to set up KDEPIM it bombed with "failed to start Akonadi server..."
[12:18] <tsimpson> there's muon
[12:19] <John_John_> tsimpson: muon ?
[12:19] <tsimpson> !muon
[12:19] <qdata> and on something called "Release" stuff like should have been tested out before they called ut "Release"
[12:19] <tsimpson> it's built on top of QApt
[12:20] <John_John_> tsimpson: does ubuntu have the same gui package manager ?
[12:20] <tsimpson> it has a different package manager
[12:20] <tsimpson> both are built on top of the apt package manager though
[12:21] <qdata> time for breakfast - catch you a little later on
[12:21] <John_John_> yes me too i guess
[12:21] <John_John_> one more question though
[12:22] <John_John_> i have downloaded the 64 bit version but it says that the reccomended is the 32 bit. should i be worried ?
[12:22] <tsimpson> as long as you have a 64 bit CPU (which most are these days) you don't need to be worried
[12:23] <tsimpson> it's only recommended because the 32bit version works on both the older 32bit CPU and the newer 64bit ones
[12:23] <tsimpson> but as the majority of systems are going to be 64bit, the recommendation will move to 64bit soon
[12:25] <John_John_> thanks a lot guys..catch you a little later when i ll be needing help installing (as a virtual machine) and setting up things i want ok ?
[12:26] <tsimpson> you probably won't have any trouble setting it up, just a few clicks and then grab a snack
[12:27] <John_John_> i mean after installation, like installin apache, make apache viewable from host like http://kubuntu/index.html
[12:27] <John_John_> you get my meaning right ?
[12:28] <John_John_> i want linux for development purposes. to install maybe php mysql and the like]
[12:28] <John_John_> but one step at the time
[12:28] <John_John_> dont worry i am not new in computers, i am just new to linux :)
[12:29] <tsimpson> you'll probably find this useful then: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/serverguide/web-servers.html
[12:29] <John_John_> catch you a little later :)
[12:29] <John_John_> so the official ubuntu docs apply to kubuntu right ?
[12:30] <tsimpson> absolutely
[12:30] <John_John_> ok really thanks
[12:30] <tsimpson> certainly the server guide part
[13:08] <John_John_> ok before i start installing i have a really important question for me. lets say that after a few months the new version comes out. am i forced to reinstall my system from scratch ? or there is a command to auto upgrade my entire system to the latest version ? for example from 13.10 to 14.
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:16] <lordievader> John_John_: Yes you can upgrade from Saucy (13.10) to Trusty (14.04) when Trusty is released.
[13:22] <ScottyK> hello! I'm running 13.10, and my machine has 8GB of RAM, with a 10GB swap. when I run free -m, I see that I only have 937MB free of RAM. Is this normal? I just have firefox, Konversaton, amarok & Ktorrent running right now.
[13:23] <lordievader> ScottyK: The kernel is probably simply caching. A good read about this: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[13:32] <ScottyK> lordievader - thanks for the link!
[13:32] <lordievader> ScottyK: No problem :)
[13:33] <ScottyK> BTW, how did you get my name in front to "light up"?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ScottyK, konversation>settings>configure konv>highlight>always highlight own nick
[13:38] <ScottyK> BluesKaj - did you name highlight?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ScottyK, yes it does
[13:40] <ScottyK> sweet, learned something new this morning, LOL
[13:41] <BluesKaj> good
[13:56] <dougl> morning BluesKaj
[13:57] <BluesKaj> morning dougl
[13:59] <dougl> lordievader was kicking around here too -> good morning there too
[14:00] <lordievader> Hey dougl, how are you doing?
[14:01] <dougl> lordievader, 14.04 testing very exciting these days, thank you.
[14:02] <lordievader> dougl: On real or virtualized hardware?
[14:05] <dougl> real lordievader - my asus g75v notebook
[14:05] <lordievader> dougl: Whoo :) Have fun. If you find bugs be sure to report them ;)
[14:06] <BluesKaj> 14.04 running well on this laptop as well
[14:06] <dougl> very fun... one day something does not work the next it is fixed and then something else doesn't work - would be nice if I found a bug but devs are just too fast...
[14:07] <dougl> although I think cups is buggered but have not had time to look as I noticed while printing off resume for interview and never looked at it again yet
[14:10] <BluesKaj> dunno about cups, I gave up on printers a while back, when my all in one HP wouldn't work no matter what i tried
[14:12] <BluesKaj> that was one of my more frustrating incidents with kubuntu
[14:13] <zhang> 有没有用中文的呀？
[14:15] <BluesKaj> !cn | zhang
[14:15] <zhang> thanks
[14:15] <BluesKaj> np
[14:20] <dougl> yeah - I don't know if it is cups, driver or samba share issue... and I don't even care, it will just be fun looking at it.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> dougl, if it's a lexmark then linux support is nonexistent, unless it's commercial type printer
[14:30] <dougl> No lexmark... that was the first(3) printers I tried then HP and settled on epson but could not pass up the deal on the samsung that is misbehving with jobs from 14.04 but 12.10 jobs from server are find.
[14:31] <dougl> dinw
[14:31] <dougl> fine even lol
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:34] <BluesKaj> I just pass on any print jobs to wife's w7 pc ... interesting that i needed to print only 2 docs in 2 yrs :)
[14:34] <dougl> W7 is my print server too
[14:36] <BluesKaj> the printer doesn't act as a print server, I just coped the text file over to her pc
[14:38] <BluesKaj> I'm not happy with KDE printer support, it's one area I've always found lacking on kubuntu especially
[14:53] <dougl> LOL - BluesKaj ... that is cheating :D
[15:04] <BluesKaj> dougl, no need for a printer if it refuses to work despite all the tutorials that are supposed solve the problem, I've lost too much hair over printing on kubuntu already :)
[15:07] <dougl> BluesKaj, agreed... I avoided it to the point of running another computer with windows - I think that qualifies as giving up too. I don't recall the details but my solution was connecting printers to windows box.
[15:10] <BluesKaj> dougl, it's odd that I managed to have the HP printer act as a server on wife's pc for many yrs until 12.10 then just woudn't work anymore.
[15:10] <dougl> ... if I recall correctly 10.10 was the last time I had ubuntu at that time connected directly to a printer... changed to Kubuntu after that thanks to unity.
[15:10] <dougl> yes - 12.04 lts is when I changed printers to windows machine BluesKaj
[15:11] <dougl> 12.04 got broke real quick so I did 12.10 when I fubar'd it beyond recovery...
[15:17] <BluesKaj> we really don't print much anymore, anyway . any transaction receipts etc or important docs are backed up on 2 redundant hdd and usb drives for safety's sake/
[15:18] <dougl> "the HP printer act as a server on wife's pc for many yrs until 12.10" did not print to the samba server printer BluesKaj ?
[15:19] <dougl> or your wife's PC ran 12.10?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> never used samba as a print server
[15:19] <dougl> k
[15:22] <BluesKaj> I used a networking setup, but my memory is so poor I can't recall the exact setup
[15:23] <BluesKaj> maybe it was samba after all :)
[15:24] <dougl> that is what I like about linux... the challenges never end - even when you figer them out you end up forgetting the next time you have a similar issue.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> well, i tend to forget things, always had a poor memory for stuff once they stopped being important :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> stuff to do ...BBL
[17:12] <BluesKaj> oops, forgot to plugin the power source, battery went down to 10%
[17:23] <karat> Its me again :)
[17:24] <karat> And yes, i know this is a fake network
[17:24] <karat> At least i think it is :p... I'm quite the n00b
[17:25] <karat> However, i have saved my computer and phone enough that i have open source signatures and makes
[17:25] <karat> names*
[17:25] <karat> Any of you enjoy distributing programs?
[17:26] <karat> Because i sure could use some help getting rid of ice linux
[17:26] <karat> Not to mention the remotely flashed bios on my computer
[17:27] <umbi> ciao
[17:27] <umbi> !list
[17:27] <karat> I'm looking for support!
[17:27] <karat> I have one heck of an android virus
[17:27] <karat> Chainfire got me
[17:28] <karat> It was either Chainfire or ClockworkMOD
[17:28] <karat> They very nearly bricked my android phone and the hdd on my computer (pw protected)
[17:28] <karat> !list
[17:31] <karat> Or... i suppose i could just start listing names until someone with a remote protocol looking at my screen gets interested
[17:32] <karat> David Turner
[17:32] <karat> Robert Wilhelm
[17:32] <karat> WernerLemberg
[17:32] <karat> Mark Brincombe
[17:32] <karat> Arthur David Olson
[17:33] <BluesKaj> karat, please stop that
[17:33] <karat> Well... I seem to be having issues with someones software
[17:33] <karat> And to be quite honest... I don't even know if i'm getting close
[17:33] <karat> But there is someone quite capable of looking at my screen, and i know it
[17:33] <karat> But i do know that i have their name...
[17:34] <BluesKaj> karat, why not tell us what your issue is with kubuntu first
[17:34] <BluesKaj> if youi have an android virus that's nothing to do with kubuntu
[17:34] <karat> My bios has been flashed, my security has been compromised, I have a remote version of linux in my /tmp folder
[17:35] <karat> I have a remote protocol set up on my desktop
[17:35] <BluesKaj> which linux ?
[17:35] <karat> I am running kubuntu 12.X
[17:36] <karat> reckon has been way messy... it doesn't even access the internet
[17:37] <karat> If i enable the debugger, and inspect the elements.... it all points to an open dns
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ping opendns then
[17:37] <karat> If i hit netstat -an
[17:37] <karat> it goes on for about 3 pages
[17:38] <karat> tcp        0      0 192.168.43.148:39280    64.32.24.176:8001       ESTABLISHED
[17:39] <BluesKaj> well, until you decide what you want to fix, i'm not going to respond
[17:39] <karat> Firstly... My permissions
[17:39] <karat> I'm not even quite sure what i need to be chowning
[17:42] <karat> Right now i have my connection bottlenecked so they can't mess with me horribly. However they are very much connected
[17:43] <karat> This started because I paid for a program on google play that someone had pirated and redistributed i believe
[17:43] <karat> yay for rooting your phone and not being intelligent enough to set a pw?
[17:45] <karat> So... is there someone who can direct me to an appropriate channel where i might be able to find some resolve?
[17:48] <karat> unix  3      [ ]         STREAM     CONNECTED     28063    @/tmp/.ICE-unix/1703
[17:48] <karat> can someone help me with that please... I'm not even sure what ice linux is
[17:49] <BluesKaj> karat, try ##linux chat
[17:50] <karat> its been a while since i've used irc... how do i join the channel please?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> just click on ##linux
[17:51] <evad3rs> we
[17:51] <karat> ty
[17:51] <evad3rs> come va ragazzi ?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> !it | evad3rs
[18:06] <karat> how to i use nickserv?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> !nickserv
[18:15] <BluesKaj> karat,^
[18:16] <karat> thanks
[18:16] <karat> but i can't access a website
[18:19] <karat> !nickserv
[18:50] <crucerucalin>  Hi. I'm having some trouble with setting up a pppoe connection in kubuntu 13.10. It doesn't simply connects. How do I solve this ?
[20:19] <dougl> Woot woot - got my 13.10 install fixed :)
[20:20]  * dougl now dual booting 13.10 and 14.04...
[20:41] <falsobuio>  I have a dual boot laptop. with win8 and kubuntu. i want to delete and merge all the partitions that have to do with win8. the first issue is that i have like 8 partitions and do not know which ones to delete.
[20:53] <guido__> hi
[20:54] <falsobuio> hi
[22:33] <circ-user-rUPXK> join-server
[22:33] <circ-user-rUPXK> nick
[23:15] <foobar33> I have a laptop with 16GB ram and a 120GB SSD (no extra HDD space) how should I set up my swap partition?
[23:18] <ahoneybun> foobar33: don't really need swap wuth 16gb ram
[23:18] <ahoneybun> *with
[23:20] <foobar33> alright
[23:21] <foobar33> how do I make my mousepad turn off while I type?
[23:22] <MobiusJedi> So, I accidentally broke kde, and can't get past the loading screen. I've rebuilt dependencies for kde, ran fsck, and am currently getting the error "initctl: event failed." I do have networking and root. Any ideas?
[23:28] <MobiusJedi> foobar33, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Disabling_Touchpad_while_Typing
[23:29] <MobiusJedi> Well, I'm trying something. I'll be back.