[02:13] <pietro10> Is there a way I can find out what a  GTK+ and a KDE program see as the fontconfig? so I can figure out why my GTK+ programs use different font rendering in the absence of fonts.conf - http://imgur.com/dyfjNcz (GTK left, KDE right) - Thanks.
[03:33] <pietro10> Is there any other place (or another network?) where I can go to get help with my gtk+ apps on kde font problem if no one here knows?
[04:39] <glitsj16> pietro10: looking at your screenshot i'm wondering if you have the same settings for antialiasing and hinting in gtk+/kde?
[04:58] <pietro10> glitsj16: I think that's the problem
[04:59] <pietro10> I don't know what the settings are though, because I have no fonts.conf
[05:00] <pietro10> this is coming out of a fresh install
[05:01] <glitsj16> pietro10: i'm not familiar with KDE's way of setting the antialiasing/hinting, but for GTK apps you can use something like gnome-tweak-tool to set that up, fonts.conf shouldn't be the issue
[05:01] <glitsj16> pietro10: do you have a setting for fonts/appearance in KDE?
[05:02] <glitsj16> pietro10: i mean, a way to check them, systemsettings perhaps?
[05:02] <pietro10> yes - but opening that created a fonts.conf that resulted in the kde programs looking like the GTK programs
[05:04] <glitsj16> pietro10: what are the settings there for hinting/antialiasing?
[05:06] <pietro10> "System settings"
[05:09] <glitsj16> pietro10: that's it? i was expecting something like antialiasing-->true .. subpixel-hinting-->rgba .. hinting-->slight (or other values, but no sight of antialiasing, hinting etc?)
[05:10] <pietro10> not with System settings
[05:10] <pietro10> if I change the option then 'm able to set up fone-tuned options
[05:10] <glitsj16> is this a ubuntu or kubuntu btw?
[05:11] <pietro10> kubuntu; #kubuntu+1 just redirected me here (and I have tried asking in #kubuntu but to no avail)
[05:13] <glitsj16> pietro10: well, i'd try installing gnome-tweak-tool and set font appearance there, or you can use dconf-editor to look for the keys and do it without installing anything, i don't think the tweak tool will install lots of dependencies that you don't need/like, but better check
[05:23] <glitsj16> pietro10: would be interesting to see your fonts.conf, can you pastebin that please?
[09:57] <pietro10> well I built a fonts.conf that caused fc-match to produce the same output as it did before; now I just have to make sure KDE programs stay the same... next time I reboot; until then, thanks anyway
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[20:45] <thiebaude> i just wanted to say now with ubuntu 14.04 i get HDMI with sound by default now
[20:45] <thiebaude> on the hdtv