| === LjL-DeltaMale is now known as LjL | ||
| mappps | hey | 03:56 |
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| daftykins | hi sir | 03:59 |
| mappps | what you doing up at this time:D | 03:59 |
| daftykins | mmm slept all day yesterday then went to a stag do tonight | 03:59 |
| daftykins | nursing a very sore head right now | 03:59 |
| mappps | ah | 04:00 |
| mappps | hehe | 04:00 |
| daftykins | plus i hang out in too many channels with US'ians, so there's always someone active :) | 04:00 |
| mappps | sore head already and u were out last night..wouldve thought itd be later tonight u feel bad:D | 04:01 |
| daftykins | heh | 04:03 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| mappps | back | 05:36 |
| mappps | went to the gym | 05:36 |
| mappps | :D | 05:36 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 10:13 |
| * brobostigon just found a very funny picture containing popey on G+ | 10:35 | |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| popey | that would probably be one made by ali12341 | 11:05 |
| popey | some time ago | 11:05 |
| brobostigon | the one where you seem to be in the matrix. | 11:25 |
| jussi | the horror film one is better | 12:20 |
| brobostigon | :) | 12:23 |
| penguin42 | http://www.tnmoc.org/news/notes-museum/ian-mcnaught-davis-1929-2014 | 12:49 |
| foobarry | https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/497.The_Most_Begun_Read_but_Unfinished_Initiated_book_ever#816 | 12:53 |
| foobarry | read quite a few of these | 12:53 |
| foobarry | unfinished a few too | 12:55 |
| foobarry | did anyone see the waste processor kids on click :S | 12:59 |
| foobarry | rakuten bought a messaging app for $900m ? | 13:06 |
| SuperEngineer | wow! beautiful day outside... annoying thing is I really could do with a day "doing nothing/going nowhere" | 13:44 |
| SuperEngineer | [perhaps I'll just stick my head out of the window, takes a deep breathe, have a good look and inwardly smile ;) | 13:46 |
| knightwise | hey everyone | 13:50 |
| knightwise | been fighting bootdisks all day | 13:50 |
| * penguin42 hands knightwise a hammer | 13:50 | |
| knightwise | can't seem to get the amd-mac 64 bit version to boot on my imac | 13:50 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: What's the problem and what are you trying to boot? | 13:50 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: Which gen imac? | 13:51 |
| knightwise | erm .. a silver 24 inch | 13:51 |
| knightwise | i've installed osx, left room on the drive | 13:51 |
| knightwise | installed REFIND | 13:51 |
| penguin42 | ok, so a fairly modern imac, not an ancient one | 13:51 |
| knightwise | yep core 2 duo | 13:51 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: which version of ubuntu, how are you writing it to the disk (or thumb?) | 13:52 |
| knightwise | 12.04 amd-Mac | 13:52 |
| knightwise | when I use the standard 64bit version , REFIND detects the Grub , and the Grub fallback partition (and it boots from that) | 13:53 |
| penguin42 | great! So use it? | 13:53 |
| knightwise | but when I use the amd64-MAC editions , Refind sees the USB drive but won't boot from it (i just get a blinking blakc cursor) | 13:53 |
| knightwise | i'm afraid to use the "standard" 12.04 64 bit version instead of the 64bit MAC version | 13:53 |
| * penguin42 would stick to the one that works | 13:53 | |
| knightwise | so i won't damadage my machine ? | 13:54 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: I can never promise that, but I've not heard of anyone ever damaging a mac with an install, you might have to reinstall macos is the worst I can think of | 13:54 |
| knightwise | true , but a friend of mine installed the standard 64 bit version and his mac got quite hot | 13:55 |
| knightwise | i've always installed the 64bit-MAC versions | 13:55 |
| penguin42 | hmm | 13:55 |
| knightwise | so i'm a bit puzzled as to why it doesnt work today | 13:55 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: I'd thought the -mac versions were just different in boot setup, so any cooling/overheating problems are probably separate | 13:56 |
| knightwise | ah. k | 13:56 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: I suspect why it doesn't work is probably that particular version of iMac verses that version of ubuntu at a guess | 13:56 |
| knightwise | then perhaps i don"t need a bootloader like REFIND when i install the -mac versions ? | 13:56 |
| penguin42 | not sure, never used it | 13:56 |
| penguin42 | (I haven't touched macs for ages) | 13:57 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: The other things you can try, if you're using 12.04 you're probably using 12.04.4 if you just downloaded it, you might look for the older 12.04.3 or 2 | 13:57 |
| knightwise | aha. | 13:57 |
| knightwise | perhaps that is the issue | 13:57 |
| knightwise | but where do I find those ? | 13:58 |
| knightwise | the only one I've found so far are the 12.04.4 | 13:58 |
| knightwise | I found a 12.04.2 | 13:59 |
| knightwise | gonna try that | 13:59 |
| knightwise | the only difference there is that i"m gonna have to do more updates post install right ? | 14:01 |
| penguin42 | ish | 14:02 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: When you install 12.04.2 you'll use a different X/kernel set even after updates unless you specifically switch to the newer stream | 14:02 |
| knightwise | ok , i'll probably only update to a newer version when 14.04 comes out | 14:03 |
| penguin42 | you could always try the 14.04 dailys | 14:04 |
| knightwise | its for my wifes mac | 14:06 |
| knightwise | i'm not gonna push beta software on her | 14:06 |
| knightwise | i'm trying to convince her to switch to linux so ... | 14:07 |
| knightwise | it kinda has to "just work" | 14:07 |
| penguin42 | ubuntu makes no warranty for your marital success | 14:07 |
| knightwise | true | 14:07 |
| knightwise | but running beta"s on your spouce = not a good idea | 14:07 |
| knightwise | just tried the 12.04.2 .. same issue | 14:10 |
| penguin42 | I'd go with the plain unmac version | 14:10 |
| knightwise | gonna try that | 14:11 |
| knightwise | That one won't boot into the live cd | 14:16 |
| penguin42 | I thought you had one that you said was OK? | 14:16 |
| knightwise | it boots up to the grub bootloader | 14:17 |
| knightwise | just gave elementary a try | 14:18 |
| knightwise | and what do you know | 14:18 |
| SuperEngineer | hmmm... cheesed off - all I asked the search engine was "will be quiet! PURE POWER L8 400W fit in mATX case" - appears my goole/ddg foo has gone away today :( | 14:18 |
| SuperEngineer | anyone here know the answer... pretty, pretty please | 14:18 |
| penguin42 | what are you after - just a 400W quiet psu? | 14:19 |
| SuperEngineer | penguin42: yup but needs SATA & molex | 14:19 |
| knightwise | elementary OS boots perfectly | 14:20 |
| SuperEngineer | & this is in budget, recommended & "best in breed" [apparently] | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | I'd have to check which one I got | 14:21 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: But just look with the ones with a large fan in the ~#35 price range | 14:21 |
| knightwise | ok ... and i'm back to square one. | 14:23 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: It's one of these that I got in my router http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=coolermaster+rs500 | 14:24 |
| knightwise | the single reason I danced around the distro's is because refuses to recognise my USB keyboard layout | 14:24 |
| * SuperEngineer checks that out | 14:24 | |
| knightwise | So even with Elementary OS , the FRENCH MACINTOSH keyboard variant is not detected properly | 14:25 |
| SuperEngineer | penguin42: I will admit ignorance on case types [I work in commercial world where that is meaningless]. Those are all ATX. what's the difference between ATX & mATX when fitting & locating of PSU? | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | SuperEngineer: But basically the choice is manufacturer you've heard of, big slow temperature controlled fan and not surprisingly cheap | 14:28 |
| SuperEngineer | " and not surprisingly cheap" worries me - you mean don't buy "surprisinly cheap" I hop-e! | 14:30 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: I'm sure it's possible to remap the keyboard to the weird french layout, there are a bunch of tools for that, I wouldn't hang off a distro just because of that | 14:30 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: Although you could just get a keyboard with the keys in the right place :-) | 14:30 |
| knightwise | true , but if you need to dual boot the machine ... mac is not that friendly about that | 14:31 |
| knightwise | besides , I also have mac laptops around the house | 14:31 |
| knightwise | Ok ... | 14:32 |
| knightwise | and elementary just wiped my mbr | 14:32 |
| knightwise | So now i can't roll back to os | 14:33 |
| knightwise | x | 14:33 |
| * knightwise is buying a pc next time | 14:33 | |
| penguin42 | so now got nothing to lose :-) | 14:33 |
| knightwise | ok , i could use a nice keyboard layout help tool right now :) | 14:37 |
| knightwise | ok | 14:41 |
| knightwise | found the bug | 14:41 |
| knightwise | its the friggin apple keyboard sending out the WRONG keyboard layout | 14:41 |
| knightwise | can you believe that ? | 14:42 |
| knightwise | just just connected a logitech keyboard (with an apple keyboard layout) and that one DOES work fine | 14:42 |
| knightwise | 2 days of work down the friggin drain :( | 14:43 |
| penguin42 | knightwise: If you do use ubuntu then please file a bug for that, it's something that I guess it's possible to work around if it's possible to detect that particular keyboard | 14:48 |
| dwatkins | I managed to get Ubuntu installed on my MacBook Pro on an SD Card adapter (Nifty Minidrive). It took a while, though. | 15:26 |
| penguin42 | it would on an SD card | 15:27 |
| dwatkins | Surprisingly, it boots and runs without any major delays. | 15:35 |
| dwatkins | The difficulty was in finding a way to boot from the ISO and install to the MicroSD card. | 15:36 |
| NET||abuse | hi guys. any rsync guru's about? I'm trying to backup my old laptop, about 40Gb worth of stuff i need to just shift but I thought i'd reduce the duplicates with a --max-size=2G option to cut out large arhives, but i'd like to capture what it actually excludes? | 15:46 |
| NET||abuse | does the normal log actually list what is excluded? So if I pipe output to a log file I should be able to review it's excludes? | 15:47 |
| NET||abuse | also added exclude=backup.tar.* as I know i've a bunch of backup archives dotted around that will again add to the bloat | 15:48 |
| popey | http://prostheticknowledge.tumblr.com/post/76777529810/quack-flappy-bird-clone-created-for-one-of-the | 16:32 |
| foobarry | NET||abuse: you could always do a find command | 16:45 |
| foobarry | find / -size +20000000c -ls or something like that | 16:45 |
| daftykins | i'd never heard of that game until the articles of its' demise XD | 16:46 |
| foobarry | best PR ever | 16:50 |
| foobarry | something you never thought you needed is going away | 16:50 |
| foobarry | QUICK!! getit!! | 16:51 |
| daftykins | haha | 16:51 |
| daftykins | i bet the ads still give him revenue if people sideload it | 16:51 |
| foobarry | popey: seen those revell micro quad copters they showed on click last week? | 16:54 |
| foobarry | how much will powerups cost in shops? | 16:55 |
| === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk | ||
| penguin42 | heck, scan now taking bitcoins | 18:00 |
| moreati | penguin42: and Aria https://twitter.com/Aria_Technology/statuses/431730863274217472 | 18:01 |
| * penguin42 wonders what they're doing with them - converting or are they managing to pay suppliers | 18:02 | |
| penguin42 | I wonder whether they run mining when soaking systems in | 18:04 |
| awilkins | penguin42, Whut? Scan in Horwich? | 18:17 |
| awilkins | www.scan.co.uk ? | 18:17 |
| moreati | awilkins: yes | 18:22 |
| * awilkins muses that it's a strange old world | 18:23 | |
| penguin42 | awilkins: Nod | 18:29 |
| penguin42 | for some odd reason there does seem to be a cluster of the larger PC component suppliers around Manchester | 18:30 |
| penguin42 | which is quite convenient | 18:30 |
| * awilkins used to work for Scan | 18:30 | |
| awilkins | It's very convenient to have a place within driving distance where I know the owner | 18:30 |
| * penguin42 has been buying stuff from them since the mid 90's - when they had the old site with the settee in the entrance area | 18:31 | |
| awilkins | Apparently Scan are just directly exchanging bitcoin because they don't hold any - they refund you at the current exchange rate | 18:31 |
| moreati | For anyone in birmingham http://box.co.uk is handy | 18:32 |
| penguin42 | awilkins: They have a singapore operation as well don't they? | 18:32 |
| awilkins | Not sure - the Raja brothers have their fingers in multiple pies | 18:32 |
| penguin42 | nod | 18:32 |
| awilkins | They own an Asian supermarket and other stuff | 18:32 |
| penguin42 | haha didn't know that | 18:33 |
| awilkins | http://www.visitmanchester.com/what-to-do/indoor/MAN-12001_houseofrajas | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | nice | 18:34 |
| penguin42 | awilkins: When did you work for them? | 18:34 |
| awilkins | Looong time ago | 18:34 |
| awilkins | I was about 25 | 18:34 |
| awilkins | So 14-15 years | 18:34 |
| penguin42 | hmm not long after they moved to the current site next to the stadium? | 18:35 |
| awilkins | I didn't see the old site, so probably | 18:35 |
| penguin42 | nod | 18:35 |
| awilkins | They didn't have the posh downstairs display area back then | 18:35 |
| penguin42 | the old site was much more of a dive | 18:35 |
| penguin42 | much smaller | 18:36 |
| * penguin42 bought a P90 system in ~94 (first Linux box) | 18:37 | |
| awilkins | My first system was a P166 MMX as I recall | 18:37 |
| awilkins | Well, first Intel PC | 18:38 |
| penguin42 | awilkins: At the time Scan were small enough that buying a top end machine like that I ended up I think I ended up speaking to Shelley | 18:39 |
| daftykins | who's Shelley 0o | 18:42 |
| penguin42 | one of the family who owns it | 18:43 |
| moreati | tempted by this http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/shutit-the-ultimate-android-switch always missed the slide-to-silent switch that iPhones/Blackberrys have | 18:44 |
| daftykins | penguin42: ah right | 18:45 |
| daftykins | i wasn't very fond of Scan a few years back, they penalised us channel islanders attempting to order from them | 18:45 |
| daftykins | they'd refuse to deduct VAT, or if they did, they'd just put the exact value on as shipping instead | 18:45 |
| daftykins | hrmm i bought some loose Earl Grey tea | 18:48 |
| ali1234 | penguin42: scan use bitpay - it means they get instant conversion at the spot rate | 18:48 |
| daftykins | do you really just drink it with it all left floating around... 0o | 18:48 |
| daftykins | seems odd :> | 18:48 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Ah ok | 18:48 |
| DJones | Hmmh, spam email to a one off email account only given to Asus during product registration, I wonder whether Asus have been hacked or whether they;ve sold my email address | 18:52 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Other possibilities are spammers trying every combination of address on your domain, your ISP or any connectivity in the way getting monitored | 18:53 |
| DJones | penguin42: Possibly, but asus@domain.co.uk when its a private domain and not even a commonly used gmail/outlook/yahoo would seem one hell of a waste of time, plus all @domain.co.uk emails would go into this one catchall account and there's none except for a specific asus@domain.co.uk | 18:54 |
| awilkins | Yeah, I try that email+suffix trick sometimes for my gmail account but there are so many places that block it either because they think it's invalid or they *pretend* to think it's invalid because they know what it's used for | 18:55 |
| DJones | I always use it with my own domain name so it doesn't get blocked | 18:56 |
| penguin42 | DJones: True but I get maybe a dozen or more non-existent addresses to my private domain a day | 18:56 |
| penguin42 | DJones: I think they use dictionary attacks on domains | 18:56 |
| penguin42 | DJones: I think you also get where fake from addresses on spam using your domain have landed in peoples mailboxes and those addresses are then gathered as targets for spam | 18:57 |
| DJones | penguin42: Yeah quite possibly, but in that case, I should have more than one spam email unless they got lucky and picked asus@ as the first dictionary word | 18:57 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Yeh asus is a bit odd | 19:02 |
| neuro | wheee, stackexchange is broken | 19:21 |
| neuro | which is fun when i'm trying to figure out how to spit 50 gig of mysql backups over a 4 meg connection in one night ... ;) | 19:23 |
| SuperEngineer | Kickstarter says it’s been hacked and urges users to change passwords http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/0n_GUG4QY8Y/story01.htm | 19:28 |
| neuro | yup | 19:29 |
| neuro | got the email yesterday | 19:30 |
| neuro | also tells you when you login: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x9m726hwzrv5rxy/Screenshot%202014-02-16%2019.30.35.png | 19:31 |
| neuro | and jeez they have a crappy change password interface | 19:32 |
| neuro | instead of: | 19:32 |
| neuro | [current pwd] | 19:32 |
| neuro | [new pwd] | 19:32 |
| neuro | [confirm new] | 19:32 |
| neuro | they have: | 19:32 |
| neuro | [new pwd] | 19:32 |
| neuro | [confirm new] | 19:32 |
| neuro | [current pwd] | 19:32 |
| SuperEngineer | yuk! | 19:35 |
| neuro | took me three tries to get it changed due to muscle memory | 19:35 |
| SuperEngineer | :) | 19:37 |
| * SuperEngineer has a quandary... meal is ready but so is bath. Gravy filled bath - hmmm | 19:39 | |
| neuro | eww | 19:39 |
| neuro | i mean mmm | 19:39 |
| neuro | i mean eww | 19:39 |
| neuro | however, that is a logistics fail, so ha ha | 19:40 |
| SuperEngineer | +1 | 19:40 |
| penguin42 | odd, you would have thought your bath would have warned you | 19:46 |
| popey | foobarry: I yeah, i did look at those mini quad copters | 19:49 |
| neuro | POPEY DRONE ARMY | 19:49 |
| popey | added to my wishlist of course | 19:50 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Hubsan-H107L-Improved-Version/dp/B00D8CRR12/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=IWQ6DRJXMYYJX | 19:50 |
| zleap | how did you fill a bath with gravy | 19:50 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hubsan-Worlds-Smallest-Copter-H111/dp/B00GZV99U0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=I1SVUVWXR6AF5M | 19:50 |
| * neuro waits for the inevitable drone.popey.com | 19:50 | |
| SuperEngineer | zleap - I haven't [yet] it's just an option should I combine my 2 choices... | 19:51 |
| neuro | that controller looks like the worlds crappiest third-party PlayStation controller | 19:51 |
| zleap | k | 19:51 |
| neuro | i'd say filling a bath with gravy would be either expensive or too diluted to be tasty | 19:51 |
| SuperEngineer | ..I have chosen to go with Sunday nosebag - then, well, then there's only water in the bath - DOH! simples | 19:52 |
| SuperEngineer | [besides, the rubber duck has already been fed! | 19:52 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Feb/2014-02-16-200559_664x543_scrot.png hehe | 20:06 |
| Azelphur | seems google doesn't have flash player ;) | 20:06 |
| neuro | tsk :) | 20:08 |
| AlanBell | yeah, they don't render flash thumbnails (unsurprisingly) | 20:13 |
| Azelphur | I found the title amusing ;) | 20:13 |
| AlanBell | http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/18035291/?autostart=true for anyone wanting to play | 20:15 |
| neuro | hehe, i just did a verified by visa thingy, and I had to type in BSG | 20:15 |
| neuro | and i like Battlestar Galactica | 20:15 |
| neuro | ... well, i found it funny at least ;) | 20:15 |
| bigcalm | That might be the only reason to like Verified by Visa | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: i just looked at the code... now i wish i hadn't | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | "when i start as a clone" | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | this deign pattern is ... just wow | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | the first instance of the class becomes a factory | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | also, won't the clones all receive the start message, thus leading to an out of control breeding of pillars? | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | i also love how the two parts of the pillars aren't connected in any way | 20:51 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: yeah, it is funny stuff | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | is it actually possible to write not-braindead code with this? | 20:53 |
| AlanBell | someone did a 2d minecraft clone | 20:54 |
| AlanBell | it really isn't for big things | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | can you make it show the code as text? | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | all the colours are really distracting | 20:54 |
| AlanBell | but for teaching small kids the concept of a variable and a loop it is great | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | also, event handling and deadlocks | 20:55 |
| AlanBell | if you download the project as a .sb2 file the code is in there as json, but it isn't much better than the screen | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | it would be good if the parrot didn't fall to the bottom as soon as the applet starts, before you've even understood what you are looking at | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | also you shouldn't score until you have successfully flown past the pillars | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | also the bananas don't disappear when you collect them | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | they do now | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | and with some horrible code, I have the score starting after the first column | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: here is someone elses more sophisticated effort http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/16743509/ | 21:27 |
| dwatkins | http://t3hz0r.com/post/analysis-flapmmo-attempts | 22:34 |
| maps|work | ;] | 23:10 |
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