[03:56] <mappps> hey
[03:59] <daftykins> hi sir
[03:59] <mappps> what you doing up at this time:D
[03:59] <daftykins> mmm slept all day yesterday then went to a stag do tonight
[03:59] <daftykins> nursing a very sore head right now
[04:00] <mappps> ah
[04:00] <mappps> hehe
[04:00] <daftykins> plus i hang out in too many channels with US'ians, so there's always someone active :)
[04:01] <mappps> sore head already and u were out last night..wouldve thought itd be later tonight u feel bad:D
[04:03] <daftykins> heh
[05:36] <mappps> back
[05:36] <mappps> went to the gym
[05:36] <mappps> :D
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:35]  * brobostigon just found a very funny picture containing popey on G+
[11:05] <popey> that would probably be one made by ali12341
[11:05] <popey> some time ago
[11:25] <brobostigon> the one where you seem to be in the matrix.
[12:20] <jussi> the horror film one is better
[12:23] <brobostigon> :)
[12:49] <penguin42> http://www.tnmoc.org/news/notes-museum/ian-mcnaught-davis-1929-2014
[12:53] <foobarry> https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/497.The_Most_Begun_Read_but_Unfinished_Initiated_book_ever#816
[12:53] <foobarry> read quite a few of these
[12:55] <foobarry> unfinished a few too
[12:59] <foobarry> did anyone see the waste processor kids on click :S
[13:06] <foobarry> rakuten bought a messaging app for $900m ?
[13:44] <SuperEngineer> wow! beautiful day outside... annoying thing is I really could do with a day "doing nothing/going nowhere"
[13:46] <SuperEngineer> [perhaps I'll just stick my head out of the window, takes a deep breathe, have a good look and inwardly smile ;)
[13:50] <knightwise> hey everyone
[13:50] <knightwise> been fighting bootdisks all day
[13:50]  * penguin42 hands knightwise a hammer
[13:50] <knightwise> can't seem to get the amd-mac 64 bit version to boot on my imac
[13:50] <penguin42> knightwise: What's the problem and what are you trying to boot?
[13:51] <penguin42> knightwise: Which gen imac?
[13:51] <knightwise> erm .. a silver 24 inch
[13:51] <knightwise> i've installed osx, left room on the drive
[13:51] <knightwise> installed REFIND
[13:51] <penguin42> ok, so a fairly modern imac, not an ancient one
[13:51] <knightwise> yep core 2 duo
[13:52] <penguin42> knightwise: which version of ubuntu, how are you writing it to the disk (or thumb?)
[13:52] <knightwise> 12.04 amd-Mac
[13:53] <knightwise> when I use the standard 64bit version , REFIND detects the Grub , and the Grub fallback partition (and it boots from that)
[13:53] <penguin42> great! So use it?
[13:53] <knightwise> but when I use the amd64-MAC editions , Refind sees the USB drive but won't boot from it (i just get a blinking blakc cursor)
[13:53] <knightwise> i'm afraid to use the "standard" 12.04 64 bit version instead of the 64bit MAC version
[13:53]  * penguin42 would stick to the one that works
[13:54] <knightwise> so i won't damadage my machine ?
[13:54] <penguin42> knightwise: I can never promise that, but I've not heard of anyone ever damaging a mac with an install, you might have to reinstall macos is the worst I can think of
[13:55] <knightwise> true , but a friend of mine installed the standard 64 bit version and his mac got quite hot
[13:55] <knightwise> i've always installed the 64bit-MAC versions
[13:55] <penguin42> hmm
[13:55] <knightwise> so i'm a bit puzzled as to why it doesnt work today
[13:56] <penguin42> knightwise: I'd thought the -mac versions were just different in boot setup, so any cooling/overheating problems are probably separate
[13:56] <knightwise> ah. k
[13:56] <penguin42> knightwise: I suspect why it doesn't work is probably that particular version of iMac verses that version of ubuntu at a guess
[13:56] <knightwise> then perhaps i don"t need a bootloader like REFIND when i install the -mac versions ?
[13:56] <penguin42> not sure, never used it
[13:57] <penguin42> (I haven't touched macs for ages)
[13:57] <penguin42> knightwise: The other things you can try, if you're using 12.04 you're probably using 12.04.4 if you just downloaded it, you might look for the older 12.04.3 or 2
[13:57] <knightwise> aha.
[13:57] <knightwise> perhaps that is the issue
[13:58] <knightwise> but where do I find those ?
[13:58] <knightwise> the only one I've found so far are the 12.04.4
[13:59] <knightwise> I found a 12.04.2
[13:59] <knightwise> gonna try that
[14:01] <knightwise> the only difference there is that i"m gonna have to do more updates post install right ?
[14:02] <penguin42> ish
[14:02] <penguin42> knightwise: When you install 12.04.2 you'll use a different X/kernel set even after updates unless you specifically switch to the newer stream
[14:03] <knightwise> ok , i'll probably only update to a newer version when 14.04 comes out
[14:04] <penguin42> you could always try the 14.04 dailys
[14:06] <knightwise> its for my wifes mac
[14:06] <knightwise> i'm not gonna push beta software on her
[14:07] <knightwise> i'm trying to convince her to switch to linux so ...
[14:07] <knightwise> it kinda has to "just work"
[14:07] <penguin42> ubuntu makes no warranty for your marital success
[14:07] <knightwise> true
[14:07] <knightwise> but running beta"s on your spouce = not a good idea
[14:10] <knightwise> just tried the 12.04.2 .. same issue
[14:10] <penguin42> I'd go with the plain unmac version
[14:11] <knightwise> gonna try that
[14:16] <knightwise> That one won't boot into the live cd
[14:16] <penguin42> I thought you had one that you said was OK?
[14:17] <knightwise> it boots up to the grub bootloader
[14:18] <knightwise> just gave elementary a try
[14:18] <knightwise> and what do you know
[14:18] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... cheesed off - all I asked the search engine was "will be quiet! PURE POWER L8 400W fit in mATX case" - appears my goole/ddg foo has gone away today :(
[14:18] <SuperEngineer> anyone here know the answer... pretty, pretty please
[14:19] <penguin42> what are you after - just a 400W quiet psu?
[14:19] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: yup but needs SATA & molex
[14:20] <knightwise> elementary OS boots perfectly
[14:20] <SuperEngineer> & this is in budget, recommended & "best in breed" [apparently]
[14:21] <penguin42> I'd have to check which one I got
[14:21] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: But just look with the ones with a large fan in the ~#35 price range
[14:23] <knightwise> ok ... and i'm back to square one.
[14:24] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It's one of these that I got in my router http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=coolermaster+rs500
[14:24] <knightwise> the single reason I danced around the distro's is because refuses to recognise my USB keyboard layout
[14:24]  * SuperEngineer checks that out
[14:25] <knightwise> So even with Elementary OS , the FRENCH MACINTOSH keyboard variant is not detected properly
[14:28] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I will admit ignorance on case types [I work in commercial world where that is meaningless].  Those are all ATX.  what's the difference between ATX & mATX when fitting & locating of PSU?
[14:28] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: But basically the choice is manufacturer you've heard of, big slow temperature controlled fan and not surprisingly cheap
[14:30] <SuperEngineer> " and not surprisingly cheap" worries me - you mean don't buy "surprisinly cheap" I hop-e!
[14:30] <penguin42> knightwise: I'm sure it's possible to remap the keyboard to the weird french layout, there are a bunch of tools for that, I wouldn't hang off a distro just because of that
[14:30] <penguin42> knightwise: Although you could just get a keyboard with the keys in the right place :-)
[14:31] <knightwise> true , but if you need to dual boot the machine ... mac is not that friendly about that
[14:31] <knightwise> besides , I also have mac laptops around the house
[14:32] <knightwise> Ok ...
[14:32] <knightwise> and elementary just wiped my mbr
[14:33] <knightwise> So now i can't roll back to os
[14:33] <knightwise> x
[14:33]  * knightwise is buying a pc next time
[14:33] <penguin42> so now got nothing to lose :-)
[14:37] <knightwise> ok , i could use a nice keyboard layout help tool right now :)
[14:41] <knightwise> ok
[14:41] <knightwise> found the bug
[14:41] <knightwise> its the friggin apple keyboard sending out the WRONG keyboard layout
[14:42] <knightwise> can you believe that ?
[14:42] <knightwise> just just connected a logitech keyboard (with an apple keyboard layout) and that one DOES work fine
[14:43] <knightwise> 2 days of work down the friggin drain :(
[14:48] <penguin42> knightwise: If you do use ubuntu then please file a bug for that, it's something that I guess it's possible to work around if it's possible to detect that particular keyboard
[15:26] <dwatkins> I managed to get Ubuntu installed on my MacBook Pro on an SD Card adapter (Nifty Minidrive). It took a while, though.
[15:27] <penguin42> it would on an SD card
[15:35] <dwatkins> Surprisingly, it boots and runs without any major delays.
[15:36] <dwatkins> The difficulty was in finding a way to boot from the ISO and install to the MicroSD card.
[15:46] <NET||abuse> hi guys. any rsync guru's about? I'm trying to backup my old laptop, about 40Gb worth of stuff i need to just shift but I thought i'd reduce the duplicates with a --max-size=2G option to cut out large arhives, but i'd like to capture what it actually excludes?
[15:47] <NET||abuse> does the normal log actually list what is excluded? So if I pipe output to a log file I should be able to review it's excludes?
[15:48] <NET||abuse> also added exclude=backup.tar.* as I know i've a bunch of backup archives dotted around that will again add to the bloat
[16:32] <popey> http://prostheticknowledge.tumblr.com/post/76777529810/quack-flappy-bird-clone-created-for-one-of-the
[16:45] <foobarry> NET||abuse: you could always do a find command
[16:45] <foobarry> find / -size +20000000c -ls or something like that
[16:46] <daftykins> i'd never heard of that game until the articles of its' demise XD
[16:50] <foobarry> best PR ever
[16:50] <foobarry> something you never thought you needed is going away
[16:51] <foobarry> QUICK!! getit!!
[16:51] <daftykins> haha
[16:51] <daftykins> i bet the ads still give him revenue if people sideload it
[16:54] <foobarry> popey: seen those revell micro quad copters they showed on click last week?
[16:55] <foobarry> how much will powerups cost in shops?
[18:00] <penguin42> heck, scan now taking bitcoins
[18:01] <moreati> penguin42: and Aria https://twitter.com/Aria_Technology/statuses/431730863274217472
[18:02]  * penguin42 wonders what they're doing with them  - converting or are they managing to pay suppliers
[18:04] <penguin42> I wonder whether they run mining when soaking systems in
[18:17] <awilkins> penguin42, Whut? Scan in Horwich?
[18:17] <awilkins> www.scan.co.uk ?
[18:22] <moreati> awilkins: yes
[18:23]  * awilkins muses that it's a strange old world
[18:29] <penguin42> awilkins: Nod
[18:30] <penguin42> for some odd reason there does seem to be a cluster of the larger PC component suppliers around Manchester
[18:30] <penguin42> which is quite convenient
[18:30]  * awilkins used to work for Scan
[18:30] <awilkins> It's very convenient to have a place within driving distance where I know the owner
[18:31]  * penguin42 has been buying stuff from them since the mid 90's - when they had the old site with the settee in the entrance area
[18:31] <awilkins> Apparently Scan are just directly exchanging bitcoin because they don't hold any - they refund you at the current exchange rate
[18:32] <moreati> For anyone in birmingham http://box.co.uk is handy
[18:32] <penguin42> awilkins: They have a singapore operation as well don't they?
[18:32] <awilkins> Not sure - the Raja brothers have their fingers in multiple pies
[18:32] <penguin42> nod
[18:32] <awilkins> They own an Asian supermarket and other stuff
[18:33] <penguin42> haha didn't know that
[18:33] <awilkins> http://www.visitmanchester.com/what-to-do/indoor/MAN-12001_houseofrajas
[18:34] <penguin42> nice
[18:34] <penguin42> awilkins: When did you work for them?
[18:34] <awilkins> Looong time ago
[18:34] <awilkins> I was about 25
[18:34] <awilkins> So 14-15 years
[18:35] <penguin42> hmm not long after they moved to the current site next to the stadium?
[18:35] <awilkins> I didn't see the old site, so probably
[18:35] <penguin42> nod
[18:35] <awilkins> They didn't have the posh downstairs display area back then
[18:35] <penguin42> the old site was much more of a dive
[18:36] <penguin42> much smaller
[18:37]  * penguin42 bought a P90 system in ~94 (first Linux box)
[18:37] <awilkins> My first system was a P166 MMX as I recall
[18:38] <awilkins> Well, first Intel PC
[18:39] <penguin42> awilkins: At the time Scan were small enough that buying a top end machine like that I ended up I think I ended up speaking to Shelley
[18:42] <daftykins> who's Shelley 0o
[18:43] <penguin42> one of the family who owns it
[18:44] <moreati> tempted by this http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/shutit-the-ultimate-android-switch always missed the slide-to-silent switch that iPhones/Blackberrys have
[18:45] <daftykins> penguin42: ah right
[18:45] <daftykins> i wasn't very fond of Scan a few years back, they penalised us channel islanders attempting to order from them
[18:45] <daftykins> they'd refuse to deduct VAT, or if they did, they'd just put the exact value on as shipping instead
[18:48] <daftykins> hrmm i bought some loose Earl Grey tea
[18:48] <ali1234> penguin42: scan use bitpay - it means they get instant conversion at the spot rate
[18:48] <daftykins> do you really just drink it with it all left floating around... 0o
[18:48] <daftykins> seems odd :>
[18:48] <penguin42> ali1234: Ah ok
[18:52] <DJones> Hmmh, spam email to a one off email account only given to Asus during product registration, I wonder whether Asus have been hacked or whether they;ve sold my email address
[18:53] <penguin42> DJones: Other possibilities are spammers trying every combination of address on your domain, your ISP or any connectivity in the way getting monitored
[18:54] <DJones> penguin42: Possibly, but asus@domain.co.uk when its a private domain and not even a commonly used gmail/outlook/yahoo would seem one hell of a waste of time, plus all @domain.co.uk emails would go into this one catchall account and there's none except for a specific asus@domain.co.uk
[18:55] <awilkins> Yeah, I try that email+suffix trick sometimes for my gmail account but there are so many places that block it either because they think it's invalid or they *pretend* to think it's invalid because they know what it's used for
[18:56] <DJones> I always use it with my own domain name so it doesn't get blocked
[18:56] <penguin42> DJones: True but I get maybe a dozen or more non-existent addresses to my private domain a day
[18:56] <penguin42> DJones: I think they use dictionary attacks on domains
[18:57] <penguin42> DJones: I think you also get where fake from addresses on spam using your domain have landed in peoples mailboxes and those addresses are then gathered as targets for spam
[18:57] <DJones> penguin42: Yeah quite possibly, but in that case, I should have more than one spam email unless they got lucky and picked asus@ as the first dictionary word
[19:02] <penguin42> DJones: Yeh asus is a bit odd
[19:21] <neuro> wheee, stackexchange is broken
[19:23] <neuro> which is fun when i'm trying to figure out how to spit 50 gig of mysql backups over a 4 meg connection in one night ... ;)
[19:28] <SuperEngineer> Kickstarter says it’s been hacked and urges users to change passwords http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/0n_GUG4QY8Y/story01.htm
[19:29] <neuro> yup
[19:30] <neuro> got the email yesterday
[19:31] <neuro> also tells you when you login: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x9m726hwzrv5rxy/Screenshot%202014-02-16%2019.30.35.png
[19:32] <neuro> and jeez they have a crappy change password interface
[19:32] <neuro> instead of:
[19:32] <neuro> [current pwd]
[19:32] <neuro> [new pwd]
[19:32] <neuro> [confirm new]
[19:32] <neuro> they have:
[19:32] <neuro> [new pwd]
[19:32] <neuro> [confirm new]
[19:32] <neuro> [current pwd]
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> yuk!
[19:35] <neuro> took me three tries to get it changed due to muscle memory
[19:37] <SuperEngineer> :)
[19:39]  * SuperEngineer has a quandary... meal is ready but so is bath.  Gravy filled bath - hmmm
[19:39] <neuro> eww
[19:39] <neuro> i mean mmm
[19:39] <neuro> i mean eww
[19:40] <neuro> however, that is a logistics fail, so ha ha
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> +1
[19:46] <penguin42> odd, you would have thought your bath would have warned you
[19:49] <popey> foobarry: I yeah, i did look at those mini quad copters
[19:49] <neuro> POPEY DRONE ARMY
[19:50] <popey> added to my wishlist of course
[19:50] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Hubsan-H107L-Improved-Version/dp/B00D8CRR12/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=IWQ6DRJXMYYJX
[19:50] <zleap> how did you fill a bath with gravy
[19:50] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hubsan-Worlds-Smallest-Copter-H111/dp/B00GZV99U0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=I1SVUVWXR6AF5M
[19:50]  * neuro waits for the inevitable drone.popey.com
[19:51] <SuperEngineer> zleap - I haven't [yet] it's just an option should I combine my 2 choices...
[19:51] <neuro> that controller looks like the worlds crappiest third-party PlayStation controller
[19:51] <zleap> k
[19:51] <neuro> i'd say filling a bath with gravy would be either expensive or too diluted to be tasty
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> ..I have chosen to go with Sunday nosebag - then, well, then there's only water in the bath - DOH! simples
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> [besides, the rubber duck has already been fed!
[20:06] <Azelphur> AlanBell: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Feb/2014-02-16-200559_664x543_scrot.png hehe
[20:06] <Azelphur> seems google doesn't have flash player ;)
[20:08] <neuro> tsk :)
[20:13] <AlanBell> yeah, they don't render flash thumbnails (unsurprisingly)
[20:13] <Azelphur> I found the title amusing ;)
[20:15] <AlanBell> http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/18035291/?autostart=true for anyone wanting to play
[20:15] <neuro> hehe, i just did a verified by visa thingy, and I had to type in BSG
[20:15] <neuro> and i like Battlestar Galactica
[20:15] <neuro> ... well, i found it funny at least ;)
[20:34] <bigcalm> That might be the only reason to like Verified by Visa
[20:47] <ali1234> AlanBell: i just looked at the code... now i wish i hadn't
[20:47] <ali1234> "when i start as a clone"
[20:48] <ali1234> this deign pattern is ... just wow
[20:48] <ali1234> the first instance of the class becomes a factory
[20:50] <ali1234> also, won't the clones all receive the start message, thus leading to an out of control breeding of pillars?
[20:51] <ali1234> i also love how the two parts of the pillars aren't connected in any way
[20:53] <AlanBell> ali1234: yeah, it is funny stuff
[20:53] <ali1234> is it actually possible to write not-braindead code with this?
[20:54] <AlanBell> someone did a 2d minecraft clone
[20:54] <AlanBell> it really isn't for big things
[20:54] <ali1234> can you make it show the code as text?
[20:54] <ali1234> all the colours are really distracting
[20:54] <AlanBell> but for teaching small kids the concept of a variable and a loop it is great
[20:55] <ali1234> also, event handling and deadlocks
[20:56] <AlanBell> if you download the project as a .sb2 file the code is in there as json, but it isn't much better than the screen
[20:57] <ali1234> it would be good if the parrot didn't fall to the bottom as soon as the applet starts, before you've even understood what you are looking at
[20:58] <ali1234> also you shouldn't score until you have successfully flown past the pillars
[20:58] <ali1234> also the bananas don't disappear when you collect them
[20:58] <AlanBell> they do now
[21:16] <AlanBell> and with some horrible code, I have the score starting after the first column
[21:27] <AlanBell> ali1234: here is someone elses more sophisticated effort http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/16743509/
[22:34] <dwatkins> http://t3hz0r.com/post/analysis-flapmmo-attempts
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