=== LjL-DeltaMale is now known as LjL [03:56] hey [03:59] hi sir [03:59] what you doing up at this time:D [03:59] mmm slept all day yesterday then went to a stag do tonight [03:59] nursing a very sore head right now [04:00] ah [04:00] hehe [04:00] plus i hang out in too many channels with US'ians, so there's always someone active :) [04:01] sore head already and u were out last night..wouldve thought itd be later tonight u feel bad:D [04:03] heh === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:36] back [05:36] went to the gym [05:36] :D [10:13] morning boys and girls. [10:35] * brobostigon just found a very funny picture containing popey on G+ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:05] that would probably be one made by ali12341 [11:05] some time ago [11:25] the one where you seem to be in the matrix. [12:20] the horror film one is better [12:23] :) [12:49] http://www.tnmoc.org/news/notes-museum/ian-mcnaught-davis-1929-2014 [12:53] https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/497.The_Most_Begun_Read_but_Unfinished_Initiated_book_ever#816 [12:53] read quite a few of these [12:55] unfinished a few too [12:59] did anyone see the waste processor kids on click :S [13:06] rakuten bought a messaging app for $900m ? [13:44] wow! beautiful day outside... annoying thing is I really could do with a day "doing nothing/going nowhere" [13:46] [perhaps I'll just stick my head out of the window, takes a deep breathe, have a good look and inwardly smile ;) [13:50] hey everyone [13:50] been fighting bootdisks all day [13:50] * penguin42 hands knightwise a hammer [13:50] can't seem to get the amd-mac 64 bit version to boot on my imac [13:50] knightwise: What's the problem and what are you trying to boot? [13:51] knightwise: Which gen imac? [13:51] erm .. a silver 24 inch [13:51] i've installed osx, left room on the drive [13:51] installed REFIND [13:51] ok, so a fairly modern imac, not an ancient one [13:51] yep core 2 duo [13:52] knightwise: which version of ubuntu, how are you writing it to the disk (or thumb?) [13:52] 12.04 amd-Mac [13:53] when I use the standard 64bit version , REFIND detects the Grub , and the Grub fallback partition (and it boots from that) [13:53] great! So use it? [13:53] but when I use the amd64-MAC editions , Refind sees the USB drive but won't boot from it (i just get a blinking blakc cursor) [13:53] i'm afraid to use the "standard" 12.04 64 bit version instead of the 64bit MAC version [13:53] * penguin42 would stick to the one that works [13:54] so i won't damadage my machine ? [13:54] knightwise: I can never promise that, but I've not heard of anyone ever damaging a mac with an install, you might have to reinstall macos is the worst I can think of [13:55] true , but a friend of mine installed the standard 64 bit version and his mac got quite hot [13:55] i've always installed the 64bit-MAC versions [13:55] hmm [13:55] so i'm a bit puzzled as to why it doesnt work today [13:56] knightwise: I'd thought the -mac versions were just different in boot setup, so any cooling/overheating problems are probably separate [13:56] ah. k [13:56] knightwise: I suspect why it doesn't work is probably that particular version of iMac verses that version of ubuntu at a guess [13:56] then perhaps i don"t need a bootloader like REFIND when i install the -mac versions ? [13:56] not sure, never used it [13:57] (I haven't touched macs for ages) [13:57] knightwise: The other things you can try, if you're using 12.04 you're probably using 12.04.4 if you just downloaded it, you might look for the older 12.04.3 or 2 [13:57] aha. [13:57] perhaps that is the issue [13:58] but where do I find those ? [13:58] the only one I've found so far are the 12.04.4 [13:59] I found a 12.04.2 [13:59] gonna try that [14:01] the only difference there is that i"m gonna have to do more updates post install right ? [14:02] ish [14:02] knightwise: When you install 12.04.2 you'll use a different X/kernel set even after updates unless you specifically switch to the newer stream [14:03] ok , i'll probably only update to a newer version when 14.04 comes out [14:04] you could always try the 14.04 dailys [14:06] its for my wifes mac [14:06] i'm not gonna push beta software on her [14:07] i'm trying to convince her to switch to linux so ... [14:07] it kinda has to "just work" [14:07] ubuntu makes no warranty for your marital success [14:07] true [14:07] but running beta"s on your spouce = not a good idea [14:10] just tried the 12.04.2 .. same issue [14:10] I'd go with the plain unmac version [14:11] gonna try that [14:16] That one won't boot into the live cd [14:16] I thought you had one that you said was OK? [14:17] it boots up to the grub bootloader [14:18] just gave elementary a try [14:18] and what do you know [14:18] hmmm... cheesed off - all I asked the search engine was "will be quiet! PURE POWER L8 400W fit in mATX case" - appears my goole/ddg foo has gone away today :( [14:18] anyone here know the answer... pretty, pretty please [14:19] what are you after - just a 400W quiet psu? [14:19] penguin42: yup but needs SATA & molex [14:20] elementary OS boots perfectly [14:20] & this is in budget, recommended & "best in breed" [apparently] [14:21] I'd have to check which one I got [14:21] SuperEngineer: But just look with the ones with a large fan in the ~#35 price range [14:23] ok ... and i'm back to square one. [14:24] SuperEngineer: It's one of these that I got in my router http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=coolermaster+rs500 [14:24] the single reason I danced around the distro's is because refuses to recognise my USB keyboard layout [14:24] * SuperEngineer checks that out [14:25] So even with Elementary OS , the FRENCH MACINTOSH keyboard variant is not detected properly [14:28] penguin42: I will admit ignorance on case types [I work in commercial world where that is meaningless]. Those are all ATX. what's the difference between ATX & mATX when fitting & locating of PSU? [14:28] SuperEngineer: But basically the choice is manufacturer you've heard of, big slow temperature controlled fan and not surprisingly cheap [14:30] " and not surprisingly cheap" worries me - you mean don't buy "surprisinly cheap" I hop-e! [14:30] knightwise: I'm sure it's possible to remap the keyboard to the weird french layout, there are a bunch of tools for that, I wouldn't hang off a distro just because of that [14:30] knightwise: Although you could just get a keyboard with the keys in the right place :-) [14:31] true , but if you need to dual boot the machine ... mac is not that friendly about that [14:31] besides , I also have mac laptops around the house [14:32] Ok ... [14:32] and elementary just wiped my mbr [14:33] So now i can't roll back to os [14:33] x [14:33] * knightwise is buying a pc next time [14:33] so now got nothing to lose :-) [14:37] ok , i could use a nice keyboard layout help tool right now :) [14:41] ok [14:41] found the bug [14:41] its the friggin apple keyboard sending out the WRONG keyboard layout [14:42] can you believe that ? [14:42] just just connected a logitech keyboard (with an apple keyboard layout) and that one DOES work fine [14:43] 2 days of work down the friggin drain :( [14:48] knightwise: If you do use ubuntu then please file a bug for that, it's something that I guess it's possible to work around if it's possible to detect that particular keyboard [15:26] I managed to get Ubuntu installed on my MacBook Pro on an SD Card adapter (Nifty Minidrive). It took a while, though. [15:27] it would on an SD card [15:35] Surprisingly, it boots and runs without any major delays. [15:36] The difficulty was in finding a way to boot from the ISO and install to the MicroSD card. [15:46] hi guys. any rsync guru's about? I'm trying to backup my old laptop, about 40Gb worth of stuff i need to just shift but I thought i'd reduce the duplicates with a --max-size=2G option to cut out large arhives, but i'd like to capture what it actually excludes? [15:47] does the normal log actually list what is excluded? So if I pipe output to a log file I should be able to review it's excludes? [15:48] also added exclude=backup.tar.* as I know i've a bunch of backup archives dotted around that will again add to the bloat [16:32] http://prostheticknowledge.tumblr.com/post/76777529810/quack-flappy-bird-clone-created-for-one-of-the [16:45] NET||abuse: you could always do a find command [16:45] find / -size +20000000c -ls or something like that [16:46] i'd never heard of that game until the articles of its' demise XD [16:50] best PR ever [16:50] something you never thought you needed is going away [16:51] QUICK!! getit!! [16:51] haha [16:51] i bet the ads still give him revenue if people sideload it [16:54] popey: seen those revell micro quad copters they showed on click last week? [16:55] how much will powerups cost in shops? === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [18:00] heck, scan now taking bitcoins [18:01] penguin42: and Aria https://twitter.com/Aria_Technology/statuses/431730863274217472 [18:02] * penguin42 wonders what they're doing with them - converting or are they managing to pay suppliers [18:04] I wonder whether they run mining when soaking systems in [18:17] penguin42, Whut? Scan in Horwich? [18:17] www.scan.co.uk ? [18:22] awilkins: yes [18:23] * awilkins muses that it's a strange old world [18:29] awilkins: Nod [18:30] for some odd reason there does seem to be a cluster of the larger PC component suppliers around Manchester [18:30] which is quite convenient [18:30] * awilkins used to work for Scan [18:30] It's very convenient to have a place within driving distance where I know the owner [18:31] * penguin42 has been buying stuff from them since the mid 90's - when they had the old site with the settee in the entrance area [18:31] Apparently Scan are just directly exchanging bitcoin because they don't hold any - they refund you at the current exchange rate [18:32] For anyone in birmingham http://box.co.uk is handy [18:32] awilkins: They have a singapore operation as well don't they? [18:32] Not sure - the Raja brothers have their fingers in multiple pies [18:32] nod [18:32] They own an Asian supermarket and other stuff [18:33] haha didn't know that [18:33] http://www.visitmanchester.com/what-to-do/indoor/MAN-12001_houseofrajas [18:34] nice [18:34] awilkins: When did you work for them? [18:34] Looong time ago [18:34] I was about 25 [18:34] So 14-15 years [18:35] hmm not long after they moved to the current site next to the stadium? [18:35] I didn't see the old site, so probably [18:35] nod [18:35] They didn't have the posh downstairs display area back then [18:35] the old site was much more of a dive [18:36] much smaller [18:37] * penguin42 bought a P90 system in ~94 (first Linux box) [18:37] My first system was a P166 MMX as I recall [18:38] Well, first Intel PC [18:39] awilkins: At the time Scan were small enough that buying a top end machine like that I ended up I think I ended up speaking to Shelley [18:42] who's Shelley 0o [18:43] one of the family who owns it [18:44] tempted by this http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/shutit-the-ultimate-android-switch always missed the slide-to-silent switch that iPhones/Blackberrys have [18:45] penguin42: ah right [18:45] i wasn't very fond of Scan a few years back, they penalised us channel islanders attempting to order from them [18:45] they'd refuse to deduct VAT, or if they did, they'd just put the exact value on as shipping instead [18:48] hrmm i bought some loose Earl Grey tea [18:48] penguin42: scan use bitpay - it means they get instant conversion at the spot rate [18:48] do you really just drink it with it all left floating around... 0o [18:48] seems odd :> [18:48] ali1234: Ah ok [18:52] Hmmh, spam email to a one off email account only given to Asus during product registration, I wonder whether Asus have been hacked or whether they;ve sold my email address [18:53] DJones: Other possibilities are spammers trying every combination of address on your domain, your ISP or any connectivity in the way getting monitored [18:54] penguin42: Possibly, but asus@domain.co.uk when its a private domain and not even a commonly used gmail/outlook/yahoo would seem one hell of a waste of time, plus all @domain.co.uk emails would go into this one catchall account and there's none except for a specific asus@domain.co.uk [18:55] Yeah, I try that email+suffix trick sometimes for my gmail account but there are so many places that block it either because they think it's invalid or they *pretend* to think it's invalid because they know what it's used for [18:56] I always use it with my own domain name so it doesn't get blocked [18:56] DJones: True but I get maybe a dozen or more non-existent addresses to my private domain a day [18:56] DJones: I think they use dictionary attacks on domains [18:57] DJones: I think you also get where fake from addresses on spam using your domain have landed in peoples mailboxes and those addresses are then gathered as targets for spam [18:57] penguin42: Yeah quite possibly, but in that case, I should have more than one spam email unless they got lucky and picked asus@ as the first dictionary word [19:02] DJones: Yeh asus is a bit odd [19:21] wheee, stackexchange is broken [19:23] which is fun when i'm trying to figure out how to spit 50 gig of mysql backups over a 4 meg connection in one night ... ;) [19:28] Kickstarter says it’s been hacked and urges users to change passwords http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/index/~3/0n_GUG4QY8Y/story01.htm [19:29] yup [19:30] got the email yesterday [19:31] also tells you when you login: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x9m726hwzrv5rxy/Screenshot%202014-02-16%2019.30.35.png [19:32] and jeez they have a crappy change password interface [19:32] instead of: [19:32] [current pwd] [19:32] [new pwd] [19:32] [confirm new] [19:32] they have: [19:32] [new pwd] [19:32] [confirm new] [19:32] [current pwd] [19:35] yuk! [19:35] took me three tries to get it changed due to muscle memory [19:37] :) [19:39] * SuperEngineer has a quandary... meal is ready but so is bath. Gravy filled bath - hmmm [19:39] eww [19:39] i mean mmm [19:39] i mean eww [19:40] however, that is a logistics fail, so ha ha [19:40] +1 [19:46] odd, you would have thought your bath would have warned you [19:49] foobarry: I yeah, i did look at those mini quad copters [19:49] POPEY DRONE ARMY [19:50] added to my wishlist of course [19:50] http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Hubsan-H107L-Improved-Version/dp/B00D8CRR12/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=IWQ6DRJXMYYJX [19:50] how did you fill a bath with gravy [19:50] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hubsan-Worlds-Smallest-Copter-H111/dp/B00GZV99U0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=I1SVUVWXR6AF5M [19:50] * neuro waits for the inevitable drone.popey.com [19:51] zleap - I haven't [yet] it's just an option should I combine my 2 choices... [19:51] that controller looks like the worlds crappiest third-party PlayStation controller [19:51] k [19:51] i'd say filling a bath with gravy would be either expensive or too diluted to be tasty [19:52] ..I have chosen to go with Sunday nosebag - then, well, then there's only water in the bath - DOH! simples [19:52] [besides, the rubber duck has already been fed! [20:06] AlanBell: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Feb/2014-02-16-200559_664x543_scrot.png hehe [20:06] seems google doesn't have flash player ;) [20:08] tsk :) [20:13] yeah, they don't render flash thumbnails (unsurprisingly) [20:13] I found the title amusing ;) [20:15] http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/18035291/?autostart=true for anyone wanting to play [20:15] hehe, i just did a verified by visa thingy, and I had to type in BSG [20:15] and i like Battlestar Galactica [20:15] ... well, i found it funny at least ;) [20:34] That might be the only reason to like Verified by Visa [20:47] AlanBell: i just looked at the code... now i wish i hadn't [20:47] "when i start as a clone" [20:48] this deign pattern is ... just wow [20:48] the first instance of the class becomes a factory [20:50] also, won't the clones all receive the start message, thus leading to an out of control breeding of pillars? [20:51] i also love how the two parts of the pillars aren't connected in any way [20:53] ali1234: yeah, it is funny stuff [20:53] is it actually possible to write not-braindead code with this? [20:54] someone did a 2d minecraft clone [20:54] it really isn't for big things [20:54] can you make it show the code as text? [20:54] all the colours are really distracting [20:54] but for teaching small kids the concept of a variable and a loop it is great [20:55] also, event handling and deadlocks [20:56] if you download the project as a .sb2 file the code is in there as json, but it isn't much better than the screen [20:57] it would be good if the parrot didn't fall to the bottom as soon as the applet starts, before you've even understood what you are looking at [20:58] also you shouldn't score until you have successfully flown past the pillars [20:58] also the bananas don't disappear when you collect them [20:58] they do now [21:16] and with some horrible code, I have the score starting after the first column [21:27] ali1234: here is someone elses more sophisticated effort http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/16743509/ [22:34] http://t3hz0r.com/post/analysis-flapmmo-attempts [23:10] ;]