| bluesabre | good news, I seem to have figured out some of the issues with menulibre :] | 00:59 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | "some"? | 01:21 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, you still up? | 01:40 |
| jjfrv8 | good to hear, bluesabre :) | 01:44 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, something to start the discussion with anyway: http://imagebin.org/293613 | 02:02 |
| Unit193 | jjfrv8: Miss XP, do we? :P | 02:03 |
| jjfrv8 | ? | 02:04 |
| Noskcaj | yay, panel 4.11 | 03:28 |
| Noskcaj | packaging now | 03:28 |
| Unit193 | Handy indeed. | 03:32 |
| Unit193 | (Has a commit to fix transparency.) | 03:32 |
| Unit193 | Looks like it wasn't tagged though... | 03:38 |
| andrzejr | Unit193, wait a moment... | 03:45 |
| Noskcaj | thanks for the releases andrzejr | 03:46 |
| Unit193 | Oh no, he read me. :3 | 03:46 |
| andrzejr | tags should be ok now | 03:46 |
| andrzejr | also released xfce4-indicator-plugin | 03:47 |
| andrzejr | One thing unclear about the panel is dependency on xfconf - so far no 4.11.0 version yet but there were some changes in git. | 03:48 |
| Unit193 | garcon, yeah. | 03:55 |
| Unit193 | Thanks! | 03:55 |
| Noskcaj | both updates done, just have to wait for sponsorings | 04:09 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 04:12 |
| bluesabre | finally... made add directory functionality work right | 05:08 |
| bluesabre | and fixed xfce toplevel adding | 05:09 |
| bluesabre | tomorrow will be a good day for menulibre | 05:09 |
| bluesabre | :) | 05:09 |
| Unit193 | Updated my "small-fixes" branch for the seed, s/gcalctool/gnome-calculator/ as it's a transitional package. | 06:14 |
| elfy | lderan: how's "Set up a list of applications we want to look at for automated package testing" going? | 09:05 |
| elfy | ochosi knome - whiskermenu and gtk3 indicators now on tracker | 09:34 |
| DanChapman | elfy lderan are you guys still planning to use autopilot, i have an MP waiting which adds a test runner for the tests so they can be run in a pristine environment much like ubiquity tests | 10:07 |
| elfy | planning ... can't see it coming to fruition in this cycle though | 10:17 |
| elfy | see 09:05 ^^ :) | 10:18 |
| elfy | DanChapman: ^^ | 10:29 |
| brainwash | elfy: looks like we can start disabling all the additional PPAs :) | 11:08 |
| ochosi | nice, releases of the panel and indicator-plugin! | 11:14 |
| ochosi | thanks a lot andrzejr ! | 11:23 |
| ali12341 | that's really cool | 11:25 |
| ali12341 | the panel transparency fix even got in | 11:25 |
| ochosi | yup :) | 11:25 |
| ochosi | it's pretty much all we need for trusty | 11:26 |
| ochosi | (apart from the usual odd bugfix) | 11:26 |
| ochosi | and that's even before b1, it's hard to believe :) | 11:27 |
| elfy | brainwash: yea indeed, not sure which ones to disable yet lol | 11:27 |
| ochosi | knome: i'll try to do the panel-layout today | 11:30 |
| ochosi | ali12341: would've been nice to see panel-switch get a UI in time for trusty | 11:30 |
| elfy | brainwash: not sure about anyone else but I've got http://pastebin.com/5t1V6eDx | 11:31 |
| ochosi | ali12341: we could package/upload it as is, if you think you could do a UI in time for release (could sneak that in as bugfix or FFe) | 11:31 |
| ali12341 | i don't think i will have time | 11:31 |
| ochosi | elfy: depends on what has landed, but what you can remove once that's landed is: lightdm-gtk-greeter, noskcaj-indicator, shimmerproject, xubuntu-dev | 11:32 |
| ochosi | elfy: not sure what's in unit193-trusty again | 11:32 |
| elfy | think it was tabwin | 11:32 |
| ochosi | elfy: and i guess mugshot has already landed, so you can remove everything | 11:32 |
| ochosi | ah | 11:32 |
| brainwash | tabwin + root pixmap support | 11:33 |
| ochosi | hmm, well that won't make it into 14.04 unless there comes a release for xfwm4 with the branch merged, like tomorrow | 11:33 |
| elfy | ochosi: I'll purge them prior to b1 | 11:33 |
| ochosi | hm, i wonder whether the packages in trusty won't supercede the PPA packages | 11:33 |
| ali12341 | they should do | 11:33 |
| ochosi | if they do, you simply won't be getting updates anymore from teh PPAs | 11:34 |
| ali12341 | depends what version number the ppa uses | 11:34 |
| ochosi | ali12341: :'( i understand, time is scarce. still, i think this is something really really useful. would you be ok with someone else providing a patch? | 11:34 |
| ali12341 | sure | 11:34 |
| ochosi | i mean while the current implementation isn't perfect and not ready for upstream, i think users will appreciate it | 11:35 |
| ochosi | maybe lderan has time and motivation for another small project | 11:35 |
| brainwash | what about the headerbar xfwm4 patch? | 11:35 |
| ochosi | yeah, hasn't been merged yet | 11:35 |
| ochosi | so i dunno, we'd have to sneak that in as a patch | 11:36 |
| ochosi | might be quite big as a patch | 11:36 |
| brainwash | more apps will switch to headerbar only and look somewhat ugly | 11:36 |
| ochosi | and humm, i'd need to update our themes (that's not really a problem though) | 11:36 |
| ali12341 | what apps? | 11:36 |
| ochosi | e.g. gthumb | 11:36 |
| brainwash | some gnome apps, elementary apps | 11:36 |
| ochosi | that's one reason why we dropped it | 11:36 |
| brainwash | and more to come (PPAs) | 11:37 |
| ali12341 | i think it looks fine with two header bars actually | 11:37 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and gtkparasite :P | 11:37 |
| ali12341 | can you hack the theme so that the headerbar doesn't have the title? | 11:37 |
| ali12341 | then it would just look like a regular toolbar | 11:37 |
| ochosi | not sure | 11:38 |
| ochosi | that's another workaround i guess | 11:38 |
| ali12341 | also the close button | 11:38 |
| ochosi | would have to be xubuntu-specific though | 11:38 |
| ali12341 | just make them height and width 0px | 11:38 |
| ochosi | since greybird supports gnome3 as well | 11:38 |
| ali12341 | well, perhaps there are some gnome3 users who don't like headerbar? | 11:38 |
| ochosi | nah, it's about the window-manager supporting headerbar | 11:39 |
| ochosi | if i break it, then that won't look nice in all gnome3 apps | 11:39 |
| ochosi | cause they use it by default | 11:39 |
| ochosi | 3rd party apps are also switching to that very rapidly (without thinking about fallbacks) | 11:39 |
| ali12341 | seems like that's gnome3's problem | 11:39 |
| ochosi | no, the 3rd party apps also make it our problem | 11:40 |
| ali12341 | i remain unconvinced | 11:41 |
| ochosi | could be worse: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-16-124320.php | 11:43 |
| ali12341 | right | 11:45 |
| ochosi | no idea how to remove that close-button though | 11:45 |
| ali12341 | http://imagebin.org/293661 | 11:45 |
| ali12341 | if you can hide them it will just look like a regular toolbar | 11:46 |
| ochosi | yup | 11:46 |
| ali12341 | no need to actually remove them, just style them so that they are invisible | 11:48 |
| ali12341 | maybe even render:none; would work | 11:48 |
| ali12341 | or display:none; | 11:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, but then there's an empty space there | 11:51 |
| ochosi | since there are options to move the close button to the other side (have yet to find them though), i guess we have to be able to hide them to | 11:52 |
| ochosi | just set "position: /dev/null;" | 11:52 |
| ali12341 | or width:0px; | 11:54 |
| ochosi | actually with "0" you don't use "px" anymore | 11:58 |
| ochosi | i guess they felt that's uncool :) | 11:58 |
| ali12341 | there's a gtk option show-close-button which hides the x | 12:05 |
| Unit193 | http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2014-January/030607.html he used the right term for it. | 12:09 |
| ali12341 | why doesn't calculator have a headerbar on trusty? | 12:14 |
| ali12341 | i could proably make aLD_PRELOAD hack that selectively disables the header bar if there is nothing in it, or just hides the title and close button if there is | 12:15 |
| ochosi | ali12341: ubuntu devs have patched "most" gnome3 apps | 12:16 |
| ochosi | e.g. evince | 12:16 |
| ochosi | they submitted patches upstream afaik to provide a fallback-mode if the app is used in !gnome-shell | 12:17 |
| ali12341 | for ach individual app? | 12:17 |
| ochosi | yup | 12:17 |
| ali12341 | that's lame | 12:17 |
| ochosi | for evince it took like 3 versions i think to get fixed | 12:17 |
| ochosi | they're still working on fileroller | 12:17 |
| ochosi | to get gnome-appmenu -> normal menu | 12:17 |
| ali12341 | well, not much i can do about the appmenus | 12:18 |
| ochosi | it's lame of upstream gnome3 and app-devs to not think of other DEs | 12:18 |
| ali12341 | i don't mind those though | 12:18 |
| ochosi | well they take the full width of a menubar while providing 1 item | 12:18 |
| ochosi | that is lame | 12:18 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: But not unexpected at all. :/ | 12:18 |
| ali12341 | but generally they only have one menu under them | 12:19 |
| ochosi | Unit193: unexpected things still happen ;) (systemd) | 12:19 |
| ochosi | ali12341: yup, gnome3 shows that in the panel | 12:19 |
| ochosi | which is weird imo, having the gear-menu in the window-deco and that other menu in the panel | 12:19 |
| ali12341 | i don't understand | 12:19 |
| ochosi | there are 2 menus in gnome3 | 12:20 |
| ochosi | the appmenu (with global settings for the app) in the panel | 12:20 |
| ochosi | and the gear-menu, which is in the client-side decorations | 12:20 |
| ali12341 | like xfce4-panel? | 12:20 |
| ochosi | (not sure how the latter is called) | 12:20 |
| ochosi | no, only in gnome3's panel | 12:20 |
| ali12341 | so we can't access that menu at all? | 12:20 |
| ochosi | for us that's in the menubar | 12:20 |
| ali12341 | where? | 12:21 |
| ochosi | that's already the fallback | 12:21 |
| ochosi | e.g. in file-roller in trusty | 12:21 |
| ali12341 | sorry i still don't understand :S | 12:21 |
| ochosi | appmenu: http://picomol.de/wp-content/uploads/libreoffice_4.2-gnome_appmenu.png | 12:22 |
| ali12341 | can you show me with gthumb? | 12:22 |
| ochosi | that gets converted to a single menubaritem | 12:22 |
| ochosi | no, gthumb uses the headerbar, which is something else again | 12:22 |
| ochosi | let me see whether i can find a screenshot with both | 12:22 |
| ochosi | ok, e.g. http://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/1205/gnome_36_design/thumb620/calculator-app-menu.png | 12:23 |
| ali12341 | so if you run unpatched calculator on xfce where does that menu appear? | 12:23 |
| ochosi | as a single item in the menubar | 12:23 |
| ochosi | no other options, only these | 12:23 |
| ali12341 | what does it look like? | 12:23 |
| ochosi | like a regular menubar | 12:23 |
| ochosi | but it should have 3 items in that menubar | 12:23 |
| ochosi | like it currently has | 12:23 |
| ochosi | that's what the fallback mode does | 12:24 |
| ochosi | sry, gotta quickly run out | 12:24 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 12:24 |
| ochosi | ali12341: this is what i called the "gear menu": http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/GNOME-s-File-Manager-Will-Be-More-User-Friendly-409360-4.png | 12:39 |
| ochosi | ali12341: and here you can see both, although not in action: http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/files/2013/12/radiance4.png | 12:40 |
| ali12341 | what's a good way to create a NULL widget that doesn't draw anything? | 12:43 |
| ochosi | hey sergio-br2 | 13:03 |
| ochosi | how's it going with the folders? | 13:03 |
| ochosi | ali12341: why would you wanna do that? | 13:04 |
| ochosi | or where | 13:04 |
| ali12341 | headerbar has "custom title" widget | 13:04 |
| ali12341 | if you set it it hides the normal title | 13:04 |
| ochosi | aha | 13:06 |
| ochosi | actually for xfce we can simply hide it in the theme | 13:06 |
| ali12341 | oh, okay then :) | 13:07 |
| ali12341 | this wouldn't work very well anyway | 13:07 |
| ali12341 | there's no way to know if the app hides or unhides it | 13:07 |
| ochosi | i'll see whether i can tweak the headerbar more during the course of today | 13:07 |
| ali12341 | hiding the close button works quite well though | 13:08 |
| ochosi | well i can do "fg-color=bg-color" | 13:08 |
| ochosi | ah, how did you do it? | 13:08 |
| ali12341 | replace the gtk_header_bar_set_show_close_button function with a preload stub that always sets it to false | 13:08 |
| ochosi | meh, i thought you did it in the theme | 13:09 |
| ali12341 | hmm actually... | 13:09 |
| ali12341 | maybe the header bar could be permanently hidden, and then just catch when it packs things into it and put them somewhere else | 13:09 |
| ali12341 | like a toolbar | 13:10 |
| ochosi | you wanna patch gtk upstream? | 13:12 |
| sergio-br2 | hey, hello everyone | 13:13 |
| ali12341 | ochosi: it's a runtime patch | 13:17 |
| sergio-br2 | ochosi, i think places96 branch is ready to merge | 13:22 |
| sergio-br2 | it's missing some icons, but you said that they are optional | 13:23 |
| brainwash_ | ochosi: should I remove https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/desktop-icon-size ? | 13:29 |
| brainwash_ | a new release of xfdesktop will land in trusty hopefully soon and set the icon size to 48 | 13:31 |
| ali12341 | ochosi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6943234/ | 13:52 |
| ochosi | ali12341: doesn't look very long, so you'd just add this to the xfce session then? | 13:54 |
| ali12341 | i wouldn't recommend anyone actually uses it | 13:54 |
| ochosi | :) | 13:55 |
| elfy | brainwash_: 48? wouldn't 24 be better ... :p | 13:56 |
| ali12341 | so are there any apps that have a headerbar with no buttons? | 13:56 |
| bluesabre | I would hope not | 13:58 |
| ochosi | ali12341: no, headerbar is always toolbar+window-controls | 13:58 |
| bluesabre | that completely destroys the purpose | 13:58 |
| ali12341 | i mean no buttons except window controls | 13:59 |
| ali12341 | like calculator | 13:59 |
| brainwash_ | elfy: 48 is now the default (upstream), the grid layout is also more compact now, so it looks similar to thunar's icon view | 14:01 |
| elfy | was not serious ;) | 14:02 |
| ali12341 | hmm... got another approach... patch GtkHeaderBar out of existence entirely | 14:42 |
| ochosi | not sure that has good chances of getting merged upstream | 14:48 |
| ali12341 | well it's still a runtime patch | 14:49 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: yeah, feel free to drop that one. also, i've already changed greybird accordingly | 14:50 |
| ali12341 | this works surprisingly well | 14:52 |
| ali12341 | basically i patch gtk_header_bar_new to return a GtkBox instead, which has nearly all the same API | 14:53 |
| ali12341 | then ignore any operation that isn't adding buttons | 14:53 |
| ali12341 | GtkBox, when empty, uses no room | 14:54 |
| ali12341 | so this makes the headerbar go away completely unless someone adds a button to it, in which case you only see the buttons, and nothing else | 14:54 |
| Unit193 | Wow. | 14:59 |
| ochosi | but the theming is probably a bit strange | 15:01 |
| ochosi | cause it's flat, unlike toolbars | 15:01 |
| ochosi | (which would probably be the best option, themingwise) | 15:01 |
| ali12341 | yeah, because it is drawn outside the window frame it has no background | 15:01 |
| ali12341 | the buttons are themed correctly | 15:02 |
| ochosi | ah, hmmm | 15:02 |
| ochosi | that's a problem, the gtkbox not having/drawing a background (in this case) | 15:02 |
| ali12341 | http://imagebin.org/293678 | 15:02 |
| ochosi | that's a bit ... ouch :) | 15:03 |
| ali12341 | it's fixable :) | 15:10 |
| ochosi | yeah, i guess | 15:10 |
| ochosi | i'm just wondering whether the simple theming trick to make it look like a toolbar is better/easier/safer | 15:10 |
| ali12341 | sure, i'm just doing this for fun | 15:11 |
| ochosi | i assume you prefer this to writing a UI for panel-switch :} | 15:14 |
| ali12341 | cool, it works | 15:43 |
| ali12341 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6943801/ | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | knome: you about? | 16:57 |
| pleia2 | knome: need you to review a draft post for the site <3 | 16:57 |
| elfy | hi pleia2 | 16:58 |
| pleia2 | hi there elfy | 16:58 |
| pleia2 | you want to have a look? :D | 16:58 |
| elfy | can do :) | 16:58 |
| pleia2 | "Xubuntu Marketing with SpreadUbuntu Flyer - Draft" | 16:59 |
| pleia2 | ^^ in the list of posts | 16:59 |
| elfy | pleia2: yep - assumed as much :) | 17:01 |
| elfy | pleia2: can I assume that I don't need to ping you re [xubuntu-website] Run social media campaigning for QA during beta milestones: TODO | 17:02 |
| elfy | when it comes up | 17:02 |
| elfy | pleia2: post looks good to me | 17:03 |
| pleia2 | elfy: hah, this ping now should be sufficient! I'll put it on my calendar | 17:03 |
| elfy | lol ok :) | 17:03 |
| ochosi | thanks sergio-br2, merged places | 17:46 |
| ochosi | will review the other branches in a bit and then merge them, supposedly | 17:46 |
| ochosi | after that i'll do a release | 17:46 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 17:46 |
| ochosi | reviewed + merged | 17:48 |
| ochosi | sergio-br2: project for next release: 96px mimes :) | 18:16 |
| sergio-br2 | yeah | 18:16 |
| sergio-br2 | and there are lot of... | 18:16 |
| sergio-br2 | rsrs | 18:16 |
| ochosi | yup, i know, i've done pretty much all of the 64px ones myself | 18:16 |
| ochosi | and for after that, i guess 128px mimes... | 18:19 |
| ochosi | thing is, those are at least used/visible in xfce | 18:19 |
| ochosi | most other 128px icons never show here | 18:19 |
| sergio-br2 | ochosi, i did the pull request | 18:22 |
| sanchopanza | testing, testing. | 21:09 |
| Noskcaj | sanchopanza, yeah, we see you | 21:11 |
| sanchopanza | cool. anyone available to guide a newbie through getting started with documentation? | 21:11 |
| Noskcaj | knome, jjfrv8 ^ | 21:14 |
| Noskcaj | I'm not sure if they're around right now | 21:14 |
| Noskcaj | Maybe send an email to the xubuntu-devel mailing list | 21:14 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: ^ | 21:15 |
| ochosi | sanchopanza: depending on how much time you have, you could stick around for a bit | 21:15 |
| sanchopanza | doesn't look like they're around. i'll try again later. jjfrv8 suggested getting on here for some guidance. | 21:15 |
| ochosi | maybe some of them show up | 21:16 |
| ochosi | what kind of docs would you like to work on? | 21:16 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8, slickymaster: weeeee, good news, xfce has versioned docs now! | 22:11 |
| knome | ochosi, cool, the patch worked as is? | 22:11 |
| ochosi | knome: not sure: http://git.xfce.org/www/wiki.xfce.org/commit/?id=4d2f0a6d6ef6ec80149d22eb022384181ca601ea | 22:12 |
| ochosi | can't remember now what yours looked like | 22:12 |
| knome | looks similar, but i can't remember what my patch looked like either ;) | 22:13 |
| ochosi | hehe | 22:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, no surprise it'll look at least similar ;) | 22:13 |
| knome | yeah, it's the same code | 22:14 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 22:15 |
| knome | yep | 22:15 |
| knome | nice to be of help ;) | 22:15 |
| ochosi | well now we can clean up the docs on bluesabre's wiki and then i can push them upstream \o/ | 22:16 |
| ochosi | knome: actually nick did a bit more than just merge your patch, he also added another helper function in libxfce4ui so apps can send their version for the docs | 22:18 |
| knome | :) | 22:18 |
| knome | well that's nice | 22:18 |
| ochosi | (right now it sends the desktop-version) | 22:18 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:18 |
| ochosi | very cool improvement | 22:18 |
| ochosi | so we can in fact do parole-docs per version now | 22:19 |
| ochosi | hmm, meh, seems like xfdesktop4.11 still sends "4.10" as xfce version | 22:25 |
| ochosi | so i guess we'd need the new feature of libxfce4ui for that to work then | 22:26 |
| knome | heh | 22:31 |
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