[05:04] <manchicken> apachelogger: ping
[09:09] <apachelogger> manchicken: pong
[09:10] <manchicken> apachelogger: You've got mail
[09:10] <manchicken> I cheated with the automated tests, I used conditional friend classes :)
[10:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-nm FTBFS everywhere, are you on that?
[10:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm does it?  but yes I was going to look at all those nm packages today
[10:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you get a chance to get debug output from the patch?
[10:18] <manchicken> Alright, I'm gonna try to do the whole sleeping thing again. Later.
[10:19] <apachelogger> sleep, mhhh
[10:42] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1281036] Why is kdm still depending on consolekit? @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1281036 (by Simon Rettberg)
[10:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you didn't file an archive removel request for synaptiks?
[11:05] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[11:05] <apachelogger> need to write code oh my
[11:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, you need to write a kns/kded module or somethign to check for properietary drivers
[11:06] <apachelogger> that feature was broken for the past 3000 years or so
[11:06] <apachelogger> it was there though ^^
[11:06] <apachelogger> you totally got the notification once you logged out xD
[11:06] <apachelogger> well
[11:06] <apachelogger> during logout
[11:28] <apachelogger> kns seriuosly needs  a rewrite
[11:28] <jussi> !info kns
[11:28] <Riddell> get hot new stuff!
[11:28]  * jussi wonders what kns is...
[11:28] <Riddell> ↑
[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I did
[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ScottK handled it
[11:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please be closing bugs then
[11:32] <apachelogger> jussi: knh actually
[11:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: more importantly though, please be writing some notification thing
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'll put it on my todo for tday
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re closing bugs, everything needs to be closed? There might be valid bugs for Saucy?
[11:33] <apachelogger> see policy
[11:42] <Riddell> Darkwing_: happy birthday!
[11:47] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1281036] Why is kdm still depending on consolekit? @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1281036 (by Simon Rettberg)
[11:47] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order birthday package for Darkwing_
[11:47]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[11:47]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Darkwing_ and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[11:47] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Darkwing_, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[11:47] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Darkwing_ :D
[11:47] <kubotu> To your health!
[11:48] <shadeslayer> beer at 12:50 PM :3
[11:51] <apachelogger> oh oh
[11:51] <apachelogger> there may be a problem with libkubuntu
[11:51] <jussi> BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:51] <jussi> apachelogger: is the problem that there is no beer?
[11:52] <apachelogger> yes
[11:52] <apachelogger> I have no beer
[11:52] <apachelogger> wtf
[11:52]  * apachelogger needs to get supply later
[11:52] <apachelogger> whoopwhoop
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: libkubuntu may need bump to soversion2 xD
[11:52]  * apachelogger wanted to be cool and use a qscopedpointer
[11:52] <apachelogger> for the d_ptr
[11:53] <apachelogger> but for some reason when you try to allocate a thing that contains a qscopedpointer on the stack it falls over dead because qscopedpointer wants the private class to be declared which of course it is not
[11:53] <apachelogger> suprisingly it works when newing though
[11:54] <apachelogger> (not quite sure why it would fail to scopepoint in one case but not the other)
[11:56] <apachelogger> oh wait, now it is broken regardless
[11:58] <apachelogger> ahhh
[11:58] <apachelogger> it has to do with calling delete on the object
[11:58] <apachelogger> wtf
[11:58] <apachelogger> qscopedpointer for dptr is shit
[11:58] <apachelogger> that's what I get for trying to not write elitist code I guess :'<
[12:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw I can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1280773
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/Pofwjwv.png
[12:05] <apachelogger> reset != defaults
[12:05] <apachelogger> you need to make a change, then click reset
[12:06] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Do I actually have to apply the change
[12:07] <shadeslayer> or just click another radio button
[12:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: another radio button
[12:19] <apachelogger> if you apply the change you can't reset AFAIK
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ahh
[12:20] <shadeslayer> got
[12:20] <shadeslayer> *got it
[12:33] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/EOjjJrR.png
[12:33] <apachelogger> someone please come up with a better string
[12:33] <apachelogger> jussi: halp
[12:34] <jussi> apachelogger: "dude, you cant youse it without all the bitz!!!!!" ?
[12:40] <apachelogger> much better, thx
[12:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Language support is incomplete, install remaining language packs" ?
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: "Language support is incomplete, additional packages required"
[12:48] <apachelogger> actually I would still call it software rather than packages TBH
[12:48] <apachelogger> packages is already very specific
[12:53] <Riddell> "language packs" I'm pretty sure that's used in other places like Windows too
[12:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did't see the patch.
[13:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: it might not only be language packs
[13:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: we also install dictionaries and stuff
[13:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: <apachelogger> ScottK: to be save though, if you could send me a screenshot of the 'mark additional changes' dialog it would be good
 ScottK: also here's a patch for qapt that adds debug on change detection, shoudl also help to pin point the exact problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/6930395/ 
[13:00] <Riddell> "Language support is incomplete, install remaining language support" ?
[13:01] <apachelogger> that sounds weird
[13:01]  * apachelogger found a grave bug :O
[13:02] <apachelogger> or not
[13:02] <apachelogger> man that parsing code is shit
[13:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: there really was a bug with support detection and en_GB
[13:14] <apachelogger> was using the wrong of the 3 codes -.-
[13:14] <apachelogger> void Kubuntu::LanguagePrivate::possiblyAddMissingPackage(const QString&) "kde-l10n-engb" 
[13:14] <apachelogger> found missing package "kde-l10n-engb" 
[13:14] <apachelogger> much better now
[13:15] <Riddell> oh well don't worry too much, after september we'll get a new country code anyway
[13:15] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:16] <apachelogger> it's highly annoying that we have 3 strings to express the same thing though
[13:16] <apachelogger> so very annoying
[13:16] <apachelogger> zh_TW essentially is the same
[13:32]  * apachelogger wonders why JT hand crafted a qapt GUI in knh
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you actually get anywhere with your qapt->plasma thing?
[13:41]  * apachelogger ponders how to present language install
[13:51] <apachelogger> waaah, the code
[13:51] <apachelogger> such terrible.
[13:53] <sgclark> Riddell: did you get my email with the packages I finished?
[13:54] <apachelogger> m_hiddenCfgString = QString("hide" % m_name % "Notifier");
[13:54] <apachelogger> fanciest thing I have seen today
[13:55] <apachelogger> makes no sense, but very fancy
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not really
[14:03] <shadeslayer> it stopped working for some reason
[14:03] <shadeslayer> and I don't have the code anymore
[14:03] <apachelogger> nevermind then
[14:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: notification-helper pushed, requires libkubuntu from git master
[14:04] <apachelogger> would be lovely ifyou could test
[14:05] <apachelogger> UX is not the best I could imagine but qapt-batch is plenty cheap in terms of code
[14:06] <apachelogger> anyone who hasn't filled out the discover featured apps form yet and wants to?
[14:06] <apachelogger> closing in 3 hours other wise
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I have 
[14:07] <apachelogger> currently we are looking at 5 apps: digikam > kdeconnect > amarok | chromium | vlc
[14:09] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:09] <apachelogger> I know why qscopedpointer acted
[14:09] <apachelogger> up
[14:10] <apachelogger> <- too stupid to define a dtor
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: ping
[14:10] <yofel> hm?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you still have configs for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup
[14:11] <yofel> hm, didn't we put those somewhere on lp?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> can't find on my page, or on kubuntu-dev or on kubuntu-packagers
[14:12] <yofel> shadeslayer: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/auto-upgrade-testing/auto-upgrade-testing ?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> heers
[14:12] <shadeslayer> *cheers
[14:15] <shadeslayer> join #ubuntu-devel
[14:15] <shadeslayer> pft
[14:15] <apachelogger> what an IRC noob :P
[14:17] <Riddell> sgclark: yes I did thanks, should look at those shortly
[14:22] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: lts policy was written meanwhile if you want to pre-review that before I submit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Long_Term_Support_.28LTS.29 
[14:22] <shadeslayer> not today
[14:22] <apachelogger> going to submit for approval in 3 hours or so
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: submit to where?
[14:25] <sgclark> Riddell: add kglobalaccel to that list
[14:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: list
[14:43] <sgclark> Riddell: kguiaddons
[14:51] <dougl> is my bluetooth supposed to be working ... somethimes it show in tray and sometimes not... when not it say there is nno adapter in system settings?
[14:53] <Riddell> that's about what I get :(  seems to be something low level
[14:53] <dougl> ok - as long as someone knows I don't have to learn how to do a bug report - lol
[14:54] <dougl> Riddell, we discussed this recently - you told me about bluedevil? (sanity check)
[14:57] <yofel> Riddell: did you get the bluez issue worked out? As far as I see bluedevil can't possibly be working in trusty
[14:58] <Riddell> yofel: uh oh, why not?
[14:58] <yofel> Riddell: because bluedevil2 only works with bluez5? (AFAIK)
[14:58] <Riddell> yofel: I reverted back to 1.3.2
[14:59] <yofel> oh ok, then my cache is out of date
[14:59] <yofel> nvm
[15:02] <sgclark> Riddell: kidletime
[15:10] <Riddell> hmm, new libmodemmanager qt is not binary compatible but has same soname
[15:15] <sgclark> Riddell: kimageformats
[15:16] <Riddell> go go sgclark!
[15:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: so .. : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/auto-upgrade-testing/auto-upgrade-testing/revision/103
[15:16] <shadeslayer> now to figure out if things still work :PO
[15:17] <yofel> I'll look at it once I'm home ^^
[15:18] <shadeslayer> cheers :)
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: fyi : Text conflict in AutoUpgradeTester/UpgradeTestBackendLXC.py
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Text conflict in share/post_upgrade_tests/test_kernel.py
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: were the 2 offending conflicts
[15:19] <shadeslayer> everything else merged fine
[15:20]  * shadeslayer waves fist at es.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:29] <ahoneybun> Riddell: apachelogger is this any good to us? http://remysharp.com/downloads/wiki2html.js
[16:30] <apachelogger> what for?
[16:30] <apachelogger> ohohohoh
[16:30] <apachelogger> jussi: I almost commited your string btw
[16:30] <apachelogger> was using it and forgot to remove it again xD
[16:31] <Riddell> ahoneybun: don't we already have a way of extracting the wiki into html?
[16:32] <ahoneybun> Riddell: seems we do..
[16:32] <ahoneybun> forgot
[16:32] <ahoneybun> been looking at the docbooks and stuff so much
[16:32] <Riddell> the question is if it can be automated for the website version
[16:33] <ahoneybun> well there must be a script that the website is using to convert them
[16:33] <Riddell> ahoneybun: lp:~jr/+junk/kubuntu-docs-downloader  for the not terribly elegant code that does it currently
[16:34]  * ahoneybun downloads it
[16:35] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6949654/
[16:35] <Riddell> sgclark: I seem to remember that doesn't matter, let me check
[16:36] <Riddell> sgclark: isn't it in  /usr/share/kde5/apps/kjs/create_hash_table ?
[16:37] <sgclark> Riddell: for some reason it changed, did cmakemodules get changed?
[16:37] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm, shouldn't have done, should be set in extra-cmake-modules
[16:38] <Riddell> sgclark: ok maybe that script should be executable, in which case it probably needs dh_fixperms overridden with -X/path/to/script
[16:40] <ahoneybun> Riddell: but if we want to make snapshots then it will only needed to be exported 1) if a new language is finished 2) for a new release cycle
[16:40] <Riddell> sgclark: ok yes upstream changed DATA_INSTALL_DIR so it's just /usr/share so I guess that's fine
[16:40] <sgclark> ok
[16:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: at the momeny we just take it off the wiki every 10 minutes, that's subject to abuse though so we might want to look at doing it on demand only
[16:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: that's what I mean only export when something new hits like a language, release, section
[16:43] <Riddell> but first we have to get export working at all to the website :)
[16:47] <ahoneybun> we can't just use the html we have now and put that into the website?
[16:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: we can but that's not very automated
[16:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: how did you export it?  did you have to fiddle by hand or did you use a nifty script?
[16:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: script
[16:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: see mails on the list
[16:59] <Riddell> oh interesting
[17:00] <apachelogger> wiki -> xml -> docbook -> *
[17:00] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6949768/
[17:00] <apachelogger> eve upstream's script, I just wrote a harness around it that simplifies the xml export
[17:00] <apachelogger> *even
[17:02] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: Riddell what do you need to know about Kubuntu Teams in general>
[17:02] <Riddell> ahoneybun: ?
[17:03] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: that mail to the list?
[17:03] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu Policies
[17:03] <Riddell> sgclark: it says 775 isn't 755
[17:03] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: the policies are all writen :P
[17:03] <Riddell> which is g+x I think
[17:04] <apachelogger> what one needs to know is in the policy now
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: I have no idea what would cause that, only happens in pbuilder
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: nor how to fix
[17:04] <sgclark> Riddell: is it my dh_fixperms?
[17:04] <Riddell> sgclark: no, neither do I, what did you set dh_fixperms command to?
[17:05] <sgclark> Riddell: I think  that is it, trying something
[17:15] <sgclark> Riddell: kjs ready
[17:17] <Riddell> sgclark: just uploading your others, looking good
[17:23] <Riddell> sgclark: you didn't remove rename-kjs-binary.diff ?
[17:23] <sgclark> Riddell: hmm I did
[17:24] <Riddell> sgclark: I think you forgot to bzr rm it, I've deleted it and uploaded
[17:24] <sgclark> Riddell: odd, ok thank you
[17:26] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to step away for a few, will try to finish t1 today though if you are gone when I get back, check tomorrow for email with finished list :)
[17:26] <Riddell> sgclark: you rock!
[17:26] <sgclark> Riddell: :)
[17:31] <Riddell> sgclark: build failures on symbols https://launchpadlibrarian.net/166545902/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kjs_4.96.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:33]  * Riddell wanders out
[18:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950144/
[18:13] <yofel> o.O
[18:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: possibly my setup is screwed
[18:15] <shadeslayer> though I don't understand how
[18:16] <yofel> try to start the cointainer by hand, I've seen cases where lxc fails to recieve the DHCPOFFER so the container ends up without IP
[18:16] <shadeslayer> what's the command for that xD
[18:17] <yofel> uh, lxc-start -n <cointainer-name>
[18:17] <yofel> sudo lxc-ls will tell you what's there
[18:17] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950182/
[18:18] <yofel> meh, that looks ok :/
[18:18] <shadeslayer> indeed
[18:19] <shadeslayer> saucy backoports being copied
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://im9.eu/picture/rl2485
[18:22] <apachelogger> it's a spaceship
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yep!
[18:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, btw, what I never got... why the uicon with the 'i'?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: need help with the build issue though
[18:22] <apachelogger> build issue does not compute
[18:23] <apachelogger> supposedly yo uhave a typedef elsewhere already
[18:23] <shadeslayer> yes, but I don't include the header which has the typedef in the class header
[18:23] <shadeslayer> so why is it complaining
[18:23] <apachelogger> I dunno
[18:23] <apachelogger> you only showed me one line
[18:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: code is pushed to kubuntu-notification-helper
[18:24] <shadeslayer> pull eet
[18:24] <apachelogger> show me the error
[18:25] <shadeslayer> as for the 'i' , I don't have a icon without it :(
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/ppumwopcf
[18:26] <apachelogger> I thought jockey used one without the i
[18:26] <apachelogger> /home/shadeslayer/sauce/Kubuntu/kubuntu-notification-helper/src/daemon/driverevent/driverevent.h:33:7: error: forward declaration of ‘class QVariantMapMap’
[18:26] <apachelogger>  class QVariantMapMap;
[18:26] <apachelogger> you cannot forward decl a typedef
[18:27] <apachelogger> especially not as class because typedef != class
[18:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:27] <shadeslayer> true
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thx, fixed
[18:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: mind looking at that ssh issue?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> whenever you have the time
[18:37] <yofel> I'll try to look at it later
[18:39]  * shadeslayer is thinking of doing something evil
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that icon without the ! is a jockey specific icon
[18:46] <apachelogger> I see
[21:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 12:33:25 PM PST] <DonkeyHotei> so i debootstrapped saucy then apt-get installed kubuntu-active, and upon logging in i get a white screen
[21:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 01:02:26 PM PST] <DonkeyHotei> lordievader: who might be knowledgeable enough to help me troubleshoot?
[21:06] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 01:04:17 PM PST] <lordievader> DonkeyHotei: I'm sorry I wouldn't know. Perhaps the devs in #kubuntu-devel know. Or they might know where you can get help.
[22:42] <DonkeyHotei> anyone?
[23:07] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: sorry, I don't think anyone's working on PA4
[23:08] <shadeslayer> it's not really a priority for anyone, and it's a bit of a hassle to get it integrated to be honest
[23:08] <DonkeyHotei> so there is no free touch-ui alternative to win8 at all?
[23:10] <shadeslayer> I wouldn't say that, I'd say they're there, but at the very least no one on the Kubuntu Team has Plasma Active on priority right now
[23:11] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: feel free to figure out what doesn't work and send us fixes
[23:11] <DonkeyHotei> how do i figure out why it's just a white screen?
[23:12] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: try looking in ~/.xsession-errors
[23:12] <DonkeyHotei> i would speculate something isn't installed or doesn't get started
[23:14] <DonkeyHotei> ok, ~/.xsession-errors is empty
[23:14] <shadeslayer> can you run startactive by hand
[23:14] <shadeslayer> and check the output
[23:15] <shadeslayer> if it's a "something doesn't get installed" issue, then it's a easy fix :)
[23:15] <shadeslayer> but I think the problem is alot worse ... 
[23:15] <DonkeyHotei> from run it from an X session? or from recovery mode?
[23:16] <DonkeyHotei> -from
[23:17] <shadeslayer> press ctrl+alt+f1
[23:17] <DonkeyHotei> and run it from there?
[23:17] <shadeslayer> login, then sudo service lightdm stop, then : sudo X :0 &, then export DISPLAY=:0; then startactive
[23:18] <DonkeyHotei> i should add that i have to plug a keyboard in to log in, no way to enter the password on the tablet otherwise
[23:19] <shadeslayer> oh, what tablet is this btw?
[23:19] <DonkeyHotei> msi windpad 110w
[23:20] <shadeslayer> ok
[23:24] <DonkeyHotei> got a lot of output
[23:25] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: concentrate on the last couple of lines ( press ctrl alt f1 again to check )
[23:25] <DonkeyHotei> i see QSQLITE driver not loaded and available drivers: QMYSQL3 QMYSQL
[23:26] <shadeslayer> should be fine
[23:26] <shadeslayer> I think ...
[23:26] <DonkeyHotei> and then it goes on to a lot of database not found errors
[23:27] <shadeslayer> do you still have a white screen?
[23:28] <DonkeyHotei> black
[23:33] <DonkeyHotei> shadeslayer: does that give any clues?
[23:34] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: nope, need any errors towards the end
[23:34] <shadeslayer> check .xsession-errors
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> last lines are property so and so does not exist
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> before that no such signal
[23:36] <DonkeyHotei> before that database not open
[23:37] <shadeslayer> can you pastebin it?
[23:37] <DonkeyHotei> way back, session d-bus connection created before QCoreApplication
[23:39] <shadeslayer> that's fine too
[23:50] <DonkeyHotei> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5ui8Mq1t
[23:51] <shadeslayer> there's some fun in there that I most certainly do not like on first look
[23:54] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: but nope, I can't figure out what's causing it to not startup, maybe try #active and show them the startactive log
[23:55] <shadeslayer> possibly they only support systemd init services ... which is why it's not working ... not sure
[23:55] <DonkeyHotei> [Mon 2014-02-17 12:30:46 PM PST] <mbohlender> DonkeyHotei: you have to talk to the kubuntu people if you have a problem with packages that they provide. 
[23:56] <shadeslayer> ufff
[23:56]  * shadeslayer looks
[23:57] <shadeslayer> I don't think it's a issue with the packages primarily since we just ship whatever upstream ships
[23:57] <shadeslayer> could be that we're missing a dependency, but that's purely because Active is so poorly documented and is mostly targetted towards Mer
[23:59] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: btw this is with 13.10?
[23:59] <DonkeyHotei> saucy
[23:59] <shadeslayer> right, 13.10