=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [01:07] Any device on which the status is stable/production ? [01:12] Mako looking good :) [01:16] it's impulse buy #2 for me this month, a nexus 4 this time [01:16] * pokesmot joins the party [01:17] Looks like a good pick [01:21] more like the *only* pick [01:21] i have an optimus l9 currently. and seeing that if i wanted to really use ubuntu touch on a phone, nexus 4 is the way to go [01:22] Aye, im thinking the same [01:25] Too bad that it doesnt have 4G/LTE [01:27] the nexux? or the os? [01:27] The Nexus 4 (Mako) [01:28] And no sd card slot [01:28] hmmm [01:28] http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_4_e960-5048.php [01:28] this will be an issue. [01:29] non removable battery [01:29] Released 2012, November [01:30] and you say it looks like a good pick/. now i'm having second thoughts! [01:30] Well, as you said, its the one they are ahead on [01:30] in reality though, i'll be keeping my old phone [01:31] one thing i couldn't part with is flac audio into head unit [01:31] Maybe they can get 4G/LTE going with some dsp coding [01:31] my car stereo won't play flac over usb, but will tske flac in bluetooth [01:32] that is probably one of the few things i couldn't live without. [01:32] (music) [01:32] :) [01:32] all this other stuff... i had used a candybar phone for years [01:32] no fancy apps, reminders, blah de blah [01:33] i'd really hope some day this takes off [01:36] So do I :) [01:36] if only the desktop os would gain more steam [01:36] its starting to. i got my roommate to switch 100% to ubuntu, no more windows [01:36] I be holding off any phone upgrades for now, til a stable version is released [01:37] Nice :) [01:37] speaking of steam, i hear valve gave up on windows 8 [01:37] Heh, no wonder [01:37] i was surprised to see all the major titles i cared to play, are available on linux now [01:38] :) [01:38] Which one your favorite > [01:38] ? [01:38] i dunno, hslf-life has nostalgia factor. [01:39] Aye [01:39] i honestly haven't played any of them in years [01:39] Im an ol Q3 fan myself :) [01:39] Same here [01:39] used to be big into cs. but then it went retail, got popular, got lame [01:40] i stopped playing, and later secured my reason to not play computer games [01:40] i guess it's hard to play first person shooters without a left hand [01:40] Opps, that might be difficult yes [01:40] i had once made a controller with a few foot buttons and an ardino. but cs will never be the same, really [01:41] if i want nostalgia i'd sooner play doom... or blake stone for that matter [01:41] heh :) [01:42] http://www.smstributes.co.uk/snail/snail.htm [01:42] i'll play that game all day. [01:52] heh :) [01:54] yes, you may call me a simpleton. [02:00] By the looks of it, by the time there is a release version of ubuntu-touch for Nexus 4, the device will no longer be made.... === duflu_ is now known as duflu [02:05] WoC: the device is no longer being made. [02:05] check it out, https://www.google.com/nexus/4/ [02:05] redirects to nexus 5 [02:05] I just got a Nexus 5. :D [02:06] as yet unsupported by ubuntu touch, i'll guess? [02:06] Sure, but the rebasing on Android 4.4.2 ought to make a community port pretty simple. [02:07] And it should be supported by 14.10, I'd imagine. [02:07] And as long as I don't drop it, the phone *should* have a nice resell value if some Ubuntu super phone comes out and I want to buy that instead. [02:08] ha, if and only if... [02:08] i am debating bricking my phone on a school night [02:09] i hve never rooted a phone but i'm just feeling adventurous [02:09] In the meantime, Android 4.4 is an extremely nice upgrade from 4.3 on my Galaxy Nexus, and it should be a lovely Ubuntu phone, and I changed my plan to be less expensive, which covers the cost of the phone. So it's win-win for now. [02:09] of course, this may be because i fried my brain cramming for calculus [02:09] pokesmot: which phone do you have? [02:10] lg l9 [02:10] i have a nexus 4 on the way, that's the one ill be putting ubuntu touch on [02:10] but i guess i'm getting adventurous with my main phone [02:10] Aha! Just dual-boot then. It's fairly trivial and extremely well-supported. [02:11] no, the nexus 4 is going to be perma-ubuntu-touch [02:11] i'll still have the l9 [02:11] i'm debating putting cyanogenmod on the L9 just for something to do [02:11] If Ubuntu had Google Navigation and Ingress I'd never look back. [02:12] but intuition tells me i should wait till the nexus arribes, flash that, then do something w/ the L9 when i have a second, -working- phone [02:12] Yes you should. :) [02:13] Ubuntu on my Galaxy Nexus was pretty nice. Just no useful apps, and the OS tends to be a little stuttery because the video driver sucks (not Ubuntu's fault). [02:15] it looks mindlessly simple [02:15] how do i back up my stock android os using fastboot? i didn't see anything about this in the help [02:16] No idea. Probably just fingure out how to install nandroid. [02:16] there is a how-to, using adb [02:16] I didn't bother backing up anything when I was flashing. [02:16] dang, was just looking at it [02:17] right, here; http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/515981/20131023/install-ubuntu-os-version-13-10-lg.htm#.UqfEfuJRTDc [02:17] backup covered [02:18] i'm speaking of my normal day-to-day phone [02:19] its an LG optimus L9 i want to put something else on [02:19] WoC: that's just copy-pasted from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [02:19] ah thanks [02:20] adb backup -apk -shared -all [02:20] pokesmot: nandroid. [02:20] thats what i needed [02:20] lesse if it works [02:23] it works [02:23] no tool required [02:25] What worked? [02:27] adb backup command [02:27] though not sure what i get out, it's not done yet [02:30] pokesmot: that doesn't backup your email settings, SMS or call history, or lots of things. Just be forewarned. [02:34] i just want the system rom in case of emergency [02:35] i can lose all data, that wouldn't be an issue [02:36] though... does adb restore depend on a working OS? [02:37] ie, isn't it possible for a flash to go wrong, and then being unable to restore a backup with adb? [02:38] oooh i get it! "phablet" is like a tablet-sized phone [02:38] i /just/ realized that now. [02:39] i have seen those things, they were bigger than my handspan [03:10] pokesmot: adb restore depends on a working OS. But if a flash goes wrong, you won't have a working system to restore system data to. [04:03] i'm trying to netinstall saucy on an x86 tablet so that i can then apt-get install ubuntu-touch, but the net installer won't see the keyboard i plugged into usb so i can't use it. any ideas? [04:06] well anyway nhaines , thanks. turns out unlocking an L769 is convoluted so it'll be a rainy day project when i've got another working phone [04:07] DonkeyHotei: type lsusb in a terminal window to see if the keyboard is recognized./ [04:07] i don't know.. it must be late, but that just sounded comical. [04:07] i can't get to a terminal window because i have no working keyboard [04:08] i don't remember the installer... does the touch work? [04:08] or any sort of input [04:08] it's the debian text installer [04:09] the volume down button acts like a "go back" in the installer and that's about it [04:10] hmm... sorry, not sure. perhaps it's not detecting the usb controller? i'm not real saavy in that regard, knowing the comings and goings of what devices work [04:11] it's as if the kernel is not compiled with usb-hid support [04:13] if i understand it right (and this is from my limited experience w/ linux on a wide range of devices)... when you get to devices less commonly used, less is supported [04:14] so, when you try putting it on a laptop support is less rounded. by extension, going to a tablet gets further out in the dark [04:14] and i'd imagine some devices use some chipset for usb controller or this-or-that, which is never found in a laptop or desktop or embedded system [04:15] did you try searching the internet for " [04:15] linux on [your tablet]' [04:15] ? [04:16] so, it's real late. i've got class tomorrow and, [04:16] good night! [04:17] all reports of installations used a graphical installer [04:18] latest graphical netboot is precise pangolin, where i can't apt-get install ubuntu-touch [07:21] good morning === psivaa-afk is now known as psivaa === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === jackson is now known as Guest13784 [09:36] hmm [09:37] when I try to upgrade using ubuntu-device-flash or system-image-cli from trusty to trusty-proposed the new image doesn't actually get installed. What's up with that? [09:37] It downloads it, says it'll flash it and then doesn't [09:37] just reboots back into the old image [09:43] does ubuntu-touch work on saucy? [09:57] Laney, whats the commandline you used for system-image-cli ? === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [09:58] ogra_: I think --channel trusty-proposed -b 0 -v [09:58] hmm, that should be fine [09:59] -i says i'm on version 0, channel 'daily' [09:59] Laney, what device ? [09:59] mako [09:59] hmm, weird [09:59] wait [10:00] WAIT! [10:00] * ogra_ waits [10:00] I remember now, this is a 4.4 image [10:00] well, you should still be able to cross-grade it with system-image-cli [10:01] and ubuntu-device-flash sholdnt care at all whats on the device [10:01] can you call it with bootstrap ? [10:03] true [10:03] let me see === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [10:12] oSoMoN: good morning. Can you enlight us if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dialer-app/+bug/1281026 is a design decision or a regression ? [10:12] Launchpad bug 1281026 in dialer-app (Ubuntu) "Putting call on hold no longer gives notification mako #188" [Undecided,New] [10:12] Good morning all; happy World Human Spirit Day! :-D [10:13] didrocks, I must admit I don’t know, it might very well be a conscious design decision, we’ll have to wait for boiko/tiago to get online to confirm [10:14] oSoMoN: ok, I'll ask them about it (or do you prefer tracking that?), thanks [10:14] oSoMoN: it's a minor regression, we are not going to block image promotion on this FYI [10:15] didrocks, as you wish, I can ask them when they get online [10:16] oSoMoN: I would appreciate, thanks [10:16] didrocks, sure, will do [10:30] anybody knows of issues with "phablet-network" not being able to push wifi-settings to a Nexus4 (running image 181). to [10:31] I've been searching the ubuntu-phone ml for any hints... but no luck sofar [10:31] no, that should just work [10:31] whats the error you get ? [10:31] ogra_, triggering phablet-network just times out [10:32] and adb shell finds a device ? [10:32] ogra_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6948115/ [10:33] hmm, that looks like an error on the phone, strange [10:33] ogra_, the wifi-settings page is also very empty... just one option being displayed "Auto-join previous networks" [10:33] no networks ? [10:34] ogra_, the wifi-hardware certainly works as I had it working with kitkat before I flashed it. [10:34] MacSlow, aha [10:34] MacSlow, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Android4.4Radio ... [10:35] (ignore that this is for dual boot) [10:35] (same issue) [10:35] ogra_, *sigh* ok... thanks for the hint [10:36] all over again then [10:37] you just need to flash the radio img [10:37] its a thing of 5 min or less [10:37] (plus download) [10:54] ogra_, ok works again... thanks! [10:55] :) [11:40] is there some magic to make nexus 10 appear over adb? [11:40] ah, repeatedly unplug the cable and plug in again "works" === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:33] charles: Do you mind reviewing and testing https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/17Feb2014/+merge/206693 [12:33] charles: it adds argument support to the clock app [12:33] charles: the last time this was added back in the 13.10 cycle, it caused the clock app to not be launchable on the phone. I just need someone to review and see if it is good. === pokesmot is now known as pirate === pirate is now known as pokesmot === pokesmot is now known as smot === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:11] isit worth installing ubunut touch on the nexus 7? [13:12] ogra_, thanks for merging that in :) [13:13] hello everybody , i'm here for know something about ubuntu phone [13:14] someone can help me please ? [13:14] cwayne, np ... i modified it slightly [13:14] ogra_, saw that, it makes sense though :) [13:15] next is multi ppa support [13:15] ogra_, i also added a small hack to rootstock-touch to copy over a package-list too, but that's not quite ready for merging [13:16] i want to know, if it's possible to install ubuntu phones os on my android phone ' Samsung Galaxy S3 " [13:16] it's possible [13:16] ?.? [13:16] !devices | Levi190x [13:16] Levi190x: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [13:16] check that list [13:16] hah, popey beats me [13:16] :)_ [13:16] is it? [13:17] mellohey, the new or the old N7 ? [13:17] ok great thx very much i'll see this now [13:17] :) === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:20] ogra_: both [13:21] mellohey, the old one has a pretty bad driver so it only works so/so .... the new one isnt quite supported yet, but there are experimental images fo rir already [13:21] *for it [13:22] onnce we switch to an android 4.4 HAL (probably this week) the old one will be unsupported and the new one will become our default for the 7" form factor [13:23] ogra_: thnx, il probobly just wait then [13:23] mellohey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2 [13:25] ogra_: ty [13:29] ogra_, btw did some quick-and-dirty packaging of rootstock, if i can get it nice and cleaned up, care for an MR? [13:29] cwayne, oh, yes, please [13:30] note that the binary should be called rootsotck-touch ... i have further plans in other directions (rootstock-embedded for example) [13:30] (binary package that is) [13:31] ogra_, yep, i figured that :) [13:34] Saviq: do you know when shell rotation / sidestage will be enabled for nexus 7 2013? [13:35] popey, experimentally working now [13:35] ↑ [13:35] ooh! [13:35] well, forcing landscape, not actually rotating [13:35] how? [13:35] popey, ppa:unity-team/demo-stuff [13:35] i have one and would love to do some testing [13:35] popey, can you point me at some docs on how to actually get Ubuntu on it? [13:35] popey, add ppa:unity-team/demo-stuff [13:35] ogra_: ^^ [13:35] dist-upgrade [13:36] popey, then add NATIVE_ORIENTATION=landscape to /etc/environment [13:36] ta [13:37] Saviq, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:37] ogra_, thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:26] ogra_, seems you're missing a ';; [14:26] ' in rootstock-touch-install [14:26] cwayne, ugh, thx ! [14:26] fixed and pushed [14:48] Saviq: cwayne installing apps sems broken on that demo unity ppa... if i click "install" I get taken to a json dump in a browser of the store output [14:53] popey, i think that's not implemented yet [14:53] ah [14:53] k [14:53] thostr_, ^ any eta on installing from click-scope? [14:53] cwayne: hopefully tomorrow, give me 30 minutes to verify [14:54] sure thing [14:56] I've just installed Ubuntu Touch n my Galaxy Nexus - and just get a black screen :( [14:58] AlexHolsgrove, which channel ? [14:58] frecel: ping [14:58] * ogra_ runs the latest trusty-proposed just fine here ... and the trusty i used before worked as well [15:01] @ogra_ not sure what you mean by channel - sorry [15:01] AlexHolsgrove, which channel did you use for the installer [15:02] I just followed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install and used the fastboot commands [15:02] (for phablet-flash or ubuntu-touch-install ... ) [15:02] sorry - it's "Trusty" [15:03] thats kind of obsolete, unsupported ... untested ... [15:03] however you want to call it [15:03] ah, so I would be better going back a version or two? [15:03] no, you should use the proper installer tools [15:04] please excuse my ignorance. The last install I did of Touch was when it was a non-functinal demo [15:04] ^ functional [15:04] right, back then we still supported to install zips [15:05] nowadays you should use one of the installer tools [15:06] OK, I am running Windows 7 at the moment - is there a tool for that? [15:06] either phablet-flash, or better ubuntu-device-flash [15:06] hmm, i dont think so [15:07] I've just been using adb / fastboot as I have the Android SDK on my dev box [15:16] Saviq: is there a list of the hints like the sidestage one, which go in the desktop file? or are they deprecated? [15:18] is ubuntu-touch offical or is everything still in preview ? i have a nexus 7 i would really like to get it on [15:18] popey, there's only that and X-Ubuntu-Touch true/false [15:20] is Ubuntu-touch going to work on Raspberry Pi ? [15:21] Ohstopityou, nope [15:21] thanks :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:42] hello all... thinking of dual-booting my nexus 10 with cm11-nightly and touch, but am wondering how updating android regularly will work if--according to the wiki--touch installs in the recovery part... halp? === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:51] rsalveti, are you here? [15:52] cwayne, hey, I have a fix for the 8tracks issue with selection: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/blacklist-selection/+merge/206747 [15:52] well, it’s more of a workaround, but it should do the trick for demo purposes [15:53] the details are in the bug report [15:54] oSoMoN, \o/ awesome! [15:54] cwayne, is that something you can test/review? [15:54] oSoMoN, i can test for sure, not sure i'd be the best to review though [15:55] oSoMoN, can you get me an updated deb to try out? [15:55] cwayne, if you can test and confirm that the fix works, that’d be a good start :) [16:01] oSoMoN, if you get me a deb i'm happy to test it out :) [16:13] cwayne, CI should spit out a deb and post the link to it in the MR soonish [16:15] CI does that? nice :) === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader [16:16] asac, not for all branches, but for most [16:17] rsalveti, hey, since `bzr blame` puts it with you, who decided for GRID_UNIT_PX to be 21 for flo? [16:18] Saviq: I did :P [16:22] Can I load Ubuntu touch to Samsung series 7 tablet? [16:27] rsalveti, looks like it needs to be reduced, everything's huge [16:27] Kaleo, do you have an idea for Nexus7 grid unit? [16:27] cwayne, that’s the deb built by CI: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-trusty-armhf/2941/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip [16:28] Saviq, you dont have 4 icons per row ? [16:28] (it was huge with 3) [16:28] ogra_, it should be more than 4 [16:28] oh [16:28] Saviq: can't be reduced unless we're in landscape [16:28] * ogra_ wouldnt mind 5 [16:28] otherwise you'll get sidestage in portrait [16:29] rsalveti, well, that's easy to fix (and well, we're in landscape already) [16:29] Saviq: great, even in portrait I believe it's too big [16:30] rsalveti, sure it is [16:30] maybe we can find a better value that would fit both cases well, but we'd need to fix the sidestage behavior then [16:30] rsalveti, sure, once there's a definition for the desired sidestage behavior ;) [16:31] Saviq: how is it done currently? [16:31] I mean, how do you decide when to show the sidestage? [16:31] rsalveti, > 60GU [16:32] Saviq: got it === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu [16:45] Saviq, should be ~21-22 [16:45] Saviq, but jounih is going to have a look [16:45] Saviq, I think a simple policy would be to only have the sidestage in one of the 2 orientation? [16:45] +s [16:46] Saviq, maybe the largest one :) === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [16:46] Kaleo, that's problematic when switching between orientations [16:46] Kaleo, what do you do with sidestage apps when you go into no-sidestage mode [16:47] Kaleo, especially if it's an app that only supports phone layout (aka sidestage layout) [16:47] Kaleo, it's 21 now, and everything's definitely too big [16:47] Kaleo: would you be able to run a session on app performance analysis and profiling for App Developer Week? [16:48] mhall119, darn, when is that? [16:48] March 3-6 [16:48] mhall119, that's carnaval [16:48] you can dress up :) [16:48] mhall119, literally :) [16:48] mhall119, as in I won't be onlince :) [16:48] -c [16:48] :-P [16:48] ok [16:49] mhall119, none of the brazilians will be here :/ [16:49] some people come up with the darndest excuses ☻ [16:49] thats the best so far [16:49] Kaleo: who else could give a good session on that who won't be dressing up and partying all week? [16:49] popey, wikipedia backs me up ): [16:49] mhall119, let me think a sec [16:49] ^^ as of an edit 30 seconds ago no doubt [16:49] lol [16:50] Hallo [16:50] Hello [16:51] timp: are you in Brazil? If not, would you be able to run a session on using QML Loaders for App Developer Week, March 3-6? [16:54] msg mhall119 Hello, I´m Pascal, I´m will Ubuntu for UEFI 64 Bit. [16:54] davmor2, ping [16:54] cwayne: How do [16:54] davmor2, good, you [16:55] davmor2, can you do me a favor and install this: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-trusty-armhf/2941/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip then try the 8tracks webapp? [16:55] pls :) [16:55] Hallo ich spreche Deutsch könt ihr auch deutsch? [16:56] hello Pascal, English is the most common language here [16:56] ok [16:56] dholbach might be able to help translate though [16:56] or dpm [16:57] Pascal, Ich bin nicht mehr lange hier, aber wenn Du kannst, würde ich hier Englisch sprechen - das macht die Sache entschieden leichter. [16:57] Pascal, Worum geht's? [16:58] um Ubuntu ich weiß nicht ob ich die 64 Bit oder die 32 Bit version nehmen soll [16:59] I thought we decided that channel was going to be french only [16:59] we're slipping [16:59] does ubuntu-touch work on saucy? [16:59] Hallo dholbach [17:00] Pascal, das ist keine Frage, die sich um Ubuntu Touch dreht.... probier mal http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/64-Bit-Architektur?redirect=no und die Leute in #ubuntu-de können Dir sicher besser helfen [17:00] Hallo dholbach es geht um Ubuntu ich weiß nicht ob ich die 64 Bit oder die 32 Bit version nehmen soll. === jasoncwarner__ is now known as jasoncwarner [17:01] Pascal, probier den Link aus, den ich Dir geschickt habe und frag das nächste Mal vielleicht in #ubuntu-de (ein deutscher Support-Channel) - hier geht es in erster Linie um die Entwicklung von Ubuntu Touch [17:02] Kaleo: quoi?! [17:02] :) [17:02] achso ich probiere den link aus [17:03] Rienzilla, rien :) [17:03] mhall119, give me a couple of days or so to figure it ou [17:03] t [17:04] cwayne: let me get set up and grab the latest images and stuff. Then I'll get back to you [17:04] Hallo dholbach ich habe einen UEFI Bios dan mus ich doch die 64 Bit Vrsion benutzen oder? [17:09] davmor2, btw to update 4.4.2 images and stage them i got a script setup [17:10] i'm getting an error when running phablet-flash ubuntu-system [17:10] ERROR:phablet-flash:Backup requested but cannot be completed succesfully, try with --system-image-ready if the system is already on an Image Based Ubuntu System to force it or use --bootstrap if data saving is not important or the system is not already on an Image Based Ubuntu System. [17:10] currently it's on android [17:12] brendand, add -b [17:13] Kaleo: ok, just let me know if you can (if you can't, that's fine too) [17:13] mhall119, I can't, I was looking at who would be good for it [17:16] does ubuntu-touch work on saucy? [17:20] DonkeyHotei, define "work on saucy" [17:20] well, i did apt-get install ubuntu-touch after debootstrap, and it doesn't start [17:21] on what did you install that package ? [17:21] on a phone ? [17:21] x86 tablet [17:21] no, that wont work currently [17:21] cwayne: oh was it in one of the emails you sent out [17:21] what keeps it from working? [17:22] you need the android hardware abstraction layer [17:22] I haven't read it all yet [17:22] Mir needs the GLES drivers [17:22] davmor2, no, haven't sent it out yet [17:22] can't just use xorg? [17:22] no [17:22] well, you can [17:22] but that wont be ubuntu-touch anymore [17:23] cwayne: can you send it out to me then please and I give it a bash [17:23] you might be able to run unity8 on top of Xorg [17:23] installing ubuntu-touch installed xorg for me [17:23] but you will surely have to tweak a lot [17:23] (like the session start scripts etc) [17:23] davmor2, sure thing [17:24] ubuntu-touch definitely has no dependency on any Xorg stuff [17:24] it seems to on amd64 [17:24]