[01:07] <WoC> Any device on which the status is stable/production ?
[01:12] <WoC> Mako looking good :)
[01:16] <pokesmot> it's impulse buy #2 for me this month, a nexus 4 this time
[01:16]  * pokesmot joins the party
[01:17] <WoC> Looks like a good pick
[01:21] <pokesmot> more like the *only* pick
[01:21] <pokesmot> i have an optimus l9 currently. and seeing that if i wanted to really use ubuntu touch on a phone, nexus 4 is the way to go
[01:22] <WoC> Aye, im thinking the same
[01:25] <WoC> Too bad that it doesnt have 4G/LTE
[01:27] <pokesmot> the nexux? or the os?
[01:27] <WoC> The Nexus 4 (Mako)
[01:28] <WoC> And no sd card slot
[01:28] <pokesmot> hmmm
[01:28] <WoC> http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_4_e960-5048.php
[01:28] <pokesmot> this will be an issue.
[01:29] <WoC> non removable battery
[01:29] <WoC> Released 2012, November
[01:30] <pokesmot> and you say it looks like a good pick/. now i'm having second thoughts!
[01:30] <WoC> Well, as you said, its the one they are ahead on
[01:30] <pokesmot> in reality though, i'll be keeping my old phone
[01:31] <pokesmot> one thing i couldn't part with is flac audio into head unit
[01:31] <WoC> Maybe they can get 4G/LTE going with some dsp coding
[01:31] <pokesmot> my car stereo won't play flac over usb, but will tske flac in bluetooth
[01:32] <pokesmot> that is probably one of the few things i couldn't live without.
[01:32] <pokesmot> (music)
[01:32] <WoC> :)
[01:32] <pokesmot> all this other stuff... i had used a candybar phone for years
[01:32] <pokesmot> no fancy apps, reminders, blah de blah
[01:33] <pokesmot> i'd really hope some day this takes off
[01:36] <WoC> So do I :)
[01:36] <pokesmot> if only the desktop os would gain more steam
[01:36] <pokesmot> its starting to. i got my roommate to switch 100% to ubuntu, no more windows
[01:36] <WoC> I be holding off any phone upgrades for now, til a stable version is released
[01:37] <WoC> Nice :)
[01:37] <pokesmot> speaking of steam, i hear valve gave up on windows 8
[01:37] <WoC> Heh, no wonder
[01:37] <pokesmot> i was surprised to see all the major titles i cared to play, are available on linux now
[01:38] <WoC> :)
[01:38] <WoC> Which one your favorite >
[01:38] <WoC> ?
[01:38] <pokesmot> i dunno, hslf-life has nostalgia factor.
[01:39] <WoC> Aye
[01:39] <pokesmot> i honestly haven't played any of them in years
[01:39] <WoC> Im an ol Q3 fan myself :)
[01:39] <WoC> Same here
[01:39] <pokesmot> used to be big into cs. but then it went retail, got popular, got lame
[01:40] <pokesmot> i stopped playing, and later secured my reason to not play computer games
[01:40] <pokesmot> i guess it's hard to play first person shooters without a left hand
[01:40] <WoC> Opps, that might be difficult yes
[01:40] <pokesmot> i had once made a controller with a few foot buttons and an ardino. but cs will never be the same, really
[01:41] <pokesmot> if i want nostalgia i'd sooner play doom... or blake stone for that matter
[01:41] <WoC> heh :)
[01:42] <pokesmot> http://www.smstributes.co.uk/snail/snail.htm
[01:42] <pokesmot> i'll play that game all day.
[01:52] <WoC> heh :)
[01:54] <pokesmot> yes, you may call me a simpleton.
[02:00] <WoC> By the looks of it, by the time there is a release version of ubuntu-touch for Nexus 4, the device will no longer be made....
[02:05] <pokesmot> WoC: the device is no longer being made.
[02:05] <pokesmot> check it out, https://www.google.com/nexus/4/
[02:05] <pokesmot> redirects to nexus 5
[02:05] <nhaines> I just got a Nexus 5.  :D
[02:06] <pokesmot> as yet unsupported by ubuntu touch, i'll guess?
[02:06] <nhaines> Sure, but the rebasing on Android 4.4.2 ought to make a community port pretty simple.
[02:07] <nhaines> And it should be supported by 14.10, I'd imagine.
[02:07] <nhaines> And as long as I don't drop it, the phone *should* have a nice resell value if some Ubuntu super phone comes out and I want to buy that instead.
[02:08] <pokesmot> ha, if and only if...
[02:08] <pokesmot> i am debating bricking my phone on a school night
[02:09] <pokesmot> i hve never rooted a phone but i'm just feeling adventurous
[02:09] <nhaines> In the meantime, Android 4.4 is an extremely nice upgrade from 4.3 on my Galaxy Nexus, and it should be a lovely Ubuntu phone, and I changed my plan to be less expensive, which covers the cost of the phone.  So it's win-win for now.
[02:09] <pokesmot> of course, this may be because i fried my brain cramming for calculus
[02:09] <nhaines> pokesmot: which phone do you have?
[02:10] <pokesmot> lg l9
[02:10] <pokesmot> i have a nexus 4 on the way, that's the one ill be putting ubuntu touch on
[02:10] <pokesmot> but i guess i'm getting adventurous with my main phone
[02:10] <nhaines> Aha!  Just dual-boot then.  It's fairly trivial and extremely well-supported.
[02:11] <pokesmot> no, the nexus 4 is going to be perma-ubuntu-touch
[02:11] <pokesmot> i'll still have the l9
[02:11] <pokesmot> i'm debating putting cyanogenmod on the L9 just for something to do
[02:11] <nhaines> If Ubuntu had Google Navigation and Ingress I'd never look back.
[02:12] <pokesmot> but intuition tells me i should wait till the nexus arribes, flash that, then do something w/ the L9 when i have a second, -working- phone
[02:12] <nhaines> Yes you should.  :)
[02:13] <nhaines> Ubuntu on my Galaxy Nexus was pretty nice.  Just no useful apps, and the OS tends to be a little stuttery because the video driver sucks (not Ubuntu's fault).
[02:15] <pokesmot> it looks mindlessly simple
[02:15] <pokesmot> how do i back up my stock android os using fastboot? i didn't see anything about this in the help
[02:16] <nhaines> No idea.  Probably just fingure out how to install nandroid.
[02:16] <WoC> there is a how-to, using adb
[02:16] <nhaines> I didn't bother backing up anything when I was flashing.
[02:16] <WoC> dang, was just looking at it
[02:17] <WoC> right, here; http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/515981/20131023/install-ubuntu-os-version-13-10-lg.htm#.UqfEfuJRTDc
[02:17] <WoC> backup covered
[02:18] <pokesmot> i'm speaking of my normal day-to-day phone
[02:19] <pokesmot> its an LG optimus L9 i want to put something else on
[02:19] <nhaines> WoC: that's just copy-pasted from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[02:19] <pokesmot> ah thanks
[02:20] <pokesmot> adb backup -apk -shared -all
[02:20] <nhaines> pokesmot: nandroid.
[02:20] <pokesmot> thats what i needed
[02:20] <pokesmot> lesse if it works
[02:23] <pokesmot> it works
[02:23] <pokesmot> no tool required
[02:25] <nhaines> What worked?
[02:27] <pokesmot> adb backup command
[02:27] <pokesmot> though not sure what i get out, it's not done yet
[02:30] <nhaines> pokesmot: that doesn't backup your email settings, SMS or call history, or lots of things.  Just be forewarned.
[02:34] <pokesmot> i just want the system rom in case of emergency
[02:35] <pokesmot> i can lose all data, that wouldn't be an issue
[02:36] <pokesmot> though... does adb restore depend on a working OS?
[02:37] <pokesmot> ie, isn't it possible for a flash to go wrong, and then being unable to restore a backup with adb?
[02:38] <pokesmot> oooh i get it! "phablet" is like a tablet-sized phone
[02:38] <pokesmot> i /just/ realized that now.
[02:39] <pokesmot> i have seen those things, they were bigger than my handspan
[03:10] <nhaines> pokesmot: adb restore depends on a working OS.  But if a flash goes wrong, you won't have a working system to restore system data to.
[04:03] <DonkeyHotei> i'm trying to netinstall saucy on an x86 tablet so that i can then apt-get install ubuntu-touch, but the net installer won't see the keyboard i plugged into usb so i can't use it. any ideas?
[04:06] <pokesmot> well anyway nhaines , thanks. turns out unlocking an L769 is convoluted so it'll be a rainy day project when i've got another working phone
[04:07] <pokesmot> DonkeyHotei: type lsusb in a terminal window to see if the keyboard is recognized./
[04:07] <pokesmot> i don't know.. it must be late, but that just sounded comical.
[04:07] <DonkeyHotei> i can't get to a terminal window because i have no working keyboard
[04:08] <pokesmot> i don't remember the installer... does the touch work?
[04:08] <pokesmot> or any sort of input
[04:08] <DonkeyHotei> it's the debian text installer
[04:09] <DonkeyHotei> the volume down button acts like a "go back" in the installer and that's about it
[04:10] <pokesmot> hmm... sorry, not sure. perhaps it's not detecting the usb controller? i'm not real saavy in that regard, knowing the comings and goings of what devices work
[04:11] <DonkeyHotei> it's as if the kernel is not compiled with usb-hid support
[04:13] <pokesmot> if i understand it right (and this is from my limited experience w/ linux on a wide range of devices)... when you get to devices less commonly used, less is supported
[04:14] <pokesmot> so, when you try putting it on a laptop support is less rounded. by extension, going to a tablet gets further out in the dark
[04:14] <pokesmot> and i'd imagine some devices use some chipset for usb controller or this-or-that, which is never found in a laptop or desktop or embedded system
[04:15] <pokesmot> did you try searching the internet for "
[04:15] <pokesmot> linux on [your tablet]'
[04:15] <pokesmot> ?
[04:16] <pokesmot> so, it's real late. i've got class tomorrow and,
[04:16] <pokesmot> good night!
[04:17] <DonkeyHotei> all reports of installations used a graphical installer
[04:18] <DonkeyHotei> latest graphical netboot is precise pangolin, where i can't apt-get install ubuntu-touch
[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[09:36] <Laney> hmm
[09:37] <Laney> when I try to upgrade using ubuntu-device-flash or system-image-cli from trusty to trusty-proposed the new image doesn't actually get installed. What's up with that?
[09:37] <Laney> It downloads it, says it'll flash it and then doesn't
[09:37] <Laney> just reboots back into the old image
[09:43] <DonkeyHotei> does ubuntu-touch work on saucy?
[09:57] <ogra_> Laney, whats the commandline you used for system-image-cli ?
[09:58] <Laney> ogra_: I think --channel trusty-proposed -b 0 -v
[09:58] <ogra_> hmm, that should be fine
[09:59] <Laney> -i says i'm on version 0, channel 'daily'
[09:59] <ogra_> Laney, what device ?
[09:59] <Laney> mako
[09:59] <ogra_> hmm, weird
[09:59] <Laney> wait
[10:00] <Laney> WAIT!
[10:00]  * ogra_ waits
[10:00] <Laney> I remember now, this is a 4.4 image
[10:00] <ogra_> well, you should still be able to cross-grade it with system-image-cli
[10:01] <ogra_> and ubuntu-device-flash sholdnt care at all whats on the device
[10:01] <ogra_> can you call it with bootstrap ?
[10:03] <Laney> true
[10:03] <Laney> let me see
[10:12] <didrocks> oSoMoN: good morning. Can you enlight us if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dialer-app/+bug/1281026 is a design decision or a regression ?
[10:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Human Spirit Day! :-D
[10:13] <oSoMoN> didrocks, I must admit I don’t know, it might very well be a conscious design decision, we’ll have to wait for boiko/tiago to get online to confirm
[10:14] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ok, I'll ask them about it (or do you prefer tracking that?), thanks
[10:14] <didrocks> oSoMoN: it's a minor regression, we are not going to block image promotion on this FYI
[10:15] <oSoMoN> didrocks, as you wish, I can ask them when they get online
[10:16] <didrocks> oSoMoN: I would appreciate, thanks
[10:16] <oSoMoN> didrocks, sure, will do
[10:30] <MacSlow> anybody knows of issues with "phablet-network" not being able to push wifi-settings to a Nexus4 (running image 181). to
[10:31] <MacSlow> I've been searching the ubuntu-phone ml for any hints... but no luck sofar
[10:31] <ogra_> no, that should just work
[10:31] <ogra_> whats the error you get ?
[10:31] <MacSlow> ogra_, triggering phablet-network just times out
[10:32] <ogra_> and adb shell finds a device ?
[10:32] <MacSlow> ogra_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6948115/
[10:33] <ogra_> hmm, that looks like an error on the phone, strange
[10:33] <MacSlow> ogra_, the wifi-settings page is also very empty... just one option being displayed "Auto-join previous networks"
[10:33] <ogra_> no networks ?
[10:34] <MacSlow> ogra_, the wifi-hardware certainly works as I had it working with kitkat before I flashed it.
[10:34] <ogra_> MacSlow, aha
[10:34] <ogra_> MacSlow, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Android4.4Radio ...
[10:35] <ogra_> (ignore that this is for dual boot)
[10:35] <ogra_> (same issue)
[10:35] <MacSlow> ogra_, *sigh* ok... thanks for the hint
[10:36] <MacSlow> all over again then
[10:37] <ogra_> you just need to flash the radio img
[10:37] <ogra_> its a thing of 5 min or less
[10:37] <ogra_> (plus download)
[10:54] <MacSlow> ogra_, ok works again... thanks!
[10:55] <ogra_> :)
[11:40] <popey> is there some magic to make nexus 10 appear over adb?
[11:40] <popey> ah, repeatedly unplug the cable and plug in again "works"
[12:33] <nik90> charles: Do you mind reviewing and testing https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/17Feb2014/+merge/206693
[12:33] <nik90> charles: it adds argument support to the clock app
[12:33] <nik90> charles: the last time this was added back in the 13.10 cycle, it caused the clock app to not be launchable on the phone. I just need someone to review and see if it is good.
[13:11] <mellohey> isit worth installing ubunut touch on the nexus 7?
[13:12] <cwayne> ogra_, thanks for merging that in :)
[13:13] <Levi190x> hello everybody , i'm here for know something about ubuntu phone
[13:14] <Levi190x> someone can help me please ?
[13:14] <ogra_> cwayne, np ... i modified it slightly
[13:14] <cwayne> ogra_, saw that, it makes sense though :)
[13:15] <ogra_> next is multi ppa support
[13:15] <cwayne> ogra_, i also added a small hack to rootstock-touch to copy over a package-list too, but that's not quite ready for merging
[13:16] <Levi190x> i want to know, if it's possible to install ubuntu phones os on my android phone ' Samsung Galaxy S3 "
[13:16] <Levi190x> it's possible
[13:16] <Levi190x> ?.?
[13:16] <popey> !devices | Levi190x
[13:16] <popey> check that list
[13:16] <ogra_> hah, popey beats me
[13:16] <popey> :)_
[13:16] <mellohey> is it?
[13:17] <ogra_> mellohey, the new or the old N7 ?
[13:17] <Levi190x> ok great thx very much i'll see this now
[13:17] <Levi190x> :)
[13:20] <mellohey> ogra_: both
[13:21] <ogra_> mellohey, the old one has a pretty bad driver so it only works so/so .... the new one isnt quite supported yet, but there are experimental images fo rir already
[13:21] <ogra_> *for it
[13:22] <ogra_> onnce we switch to an android 4.4 HAL (probably this week) the old one will be unsupported and the new one will become our default for the 7" form factor
[13:23] <mellohey> ogra_: thnx, il probobly just wait then
[13:23] <ogra_> mellohey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2
[13:25] <mellohey> ogra_: ty
[13:29] <cwayne> ogra_, btw did some quick-and-dirty packaging of rootstock, if i can get it nice and cleaned up, care for an MR?
[13:29] <ogra_> cwayne, oh, yes, please
[13:30] <ogra_> note that the binary should be called rootsotck-touch ... i have further plans in other directions (rootstock-embedded for example)
[13:30] <ogra_> (binary package that is)
[13:31] <cwayne> ogra_, yep, i figured that :)
[13:34] <popey> Saviq: do you know when shell rotation / sidestage will be enabled for nexus 7 2013?
[13:35] <cwayne> popey, experimentally working now
[13:35] <Saviq> ↑
[13:35] <popey> ooh!
[13:35] <cwayne> well, forcing landscape, not actually rotating
[13:35] <popey> how?
[13:35] <Saviq> popey, ppa:unity-team/demo-stuff
[13:35] <popey> i have one and would love to do some testing
[13:35] <Saviq> popey, can you point me at some docs on how to actually get Ubuntu on it?
[13:35] <cwayne> popey, add ppa:unity-team/demo-stuff
[13:35] <popey> ogra_: ^^
[13:35] <cwayne> dist-upgrade
[13:36] <cwayne> popey, then add NATIVE_ORIENTATION=landscape to /etc/environment
[13:36] <popey> ta
[13:37] <ogra_> Saviq, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2
[13:37] <Saviq> ogra_, thanks
[14:26] <cwayne> ogra_, seems you're missing a ';;
[14:26] <cwayne> ' in rootstock-touch-install
[14:26] <ogra_> cwayne, ugh, thx !
[14:26] <ogra_> fixed and pushed
[14:48] <popey> Saviq: cwayne  installing apps sems broken on that demo unity ppa... if i click "install" I get taken to a json dump in a browser of the store output
[14:53] <cwayne> popey, i think that's not implemented yet
[14:53] <popey> ah
[14:53] <popey> k
[14:53] <cwayne> thostr_, ^ any eta on installing from click-scope?
[14:53] <thostr_> cwayne: hopefully tomorrow, give me 30 minutes to verify
[14:54] <cwayne> sure thing
[14:56] <AlexHolsgrove> I've just installed Ubuntu Touch n my Galaxy Nexus - and just get a black screen :(
[14:58] <ogra_> AlexHolsgrove, which channel ?
[14:58] <daker> frecel: ping
[14:58]  * ogra_ runs the latest trusty-proposed just fine here ... and the trusty i used before worked as well
[15:01] <AlexHolsgrove> @ogra_ not sure what you mean by channel - sorry
[15:01] <ogra_> AlexHolsgrove, which channel did you use for the installer
[15:02] <AlexHolsgrove> I just followed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install and used the fastboot commands
[15:02] <ogra_> (for phablet-flash or ubuntu-touch-install ... )
[15:02] <AlexHolsgrove> sorry - it's "Trusty"
[15:03] <ogra_> thats kind of obsolete, unsupported ... untested ...
[15:03] <ogra_> however you want to call it
[15:03] <AlexHolsgrove> ah, so I would be better going back a version or two?
[15:03] <ogra_> no, you should use the proper installer tools
[15:04] <AlexHolsgrove> please excuse my ignorance. The last install I did of Touch was when it was a non-functinal demo
[15:04] <AlexHolsgrove> ^ functional
[15:04] <ogra_> right, back then we still supported to install zips
[15:05] <ogra_> nowadays you should use one of the installer tools
[15:06] <AlexHolsgrove> OK, I am running Windows 7 at the moment - is there a tool for that?
[15:06] <ogra_> either phablet-flash, or better ubuntu-device-flash
[15:06] <ogra_> hmm, i dont think so
[15:07] <AlexHolsgrove> I've just been using adb / fastboot as I have the Android SDK on my dev box
[15:16] <popey> Saviq: is there a list of the hints like the sidestage one, which go in the desktop file? or are they deprecated?
[15:18] <jcbjoe> is ubuntu-touch offical or is everything still in preview ? i have a nexus 7 i would really like to get it on
[15:18] <Saviq> popey, there's only that and X-Ubuntu-Touch true/false
[15:20] <Ohstopityou> is Ubuntu-touch going to work on Raspberry Pi ?
[15:21] <ogra_> Ohstopityou, nope
[15:21] <Ohstopityou> thanks :)
[15:42] <bmoore_> hello all... thinking of dual-booting my nexus 10 with cm11-nightly and touch, but am wondering how updating android regularly will work if--according to the wiki--touch installs in the recovery part... halp?
[15:51] <FuLgOrE_> rsalveti, are you here?
[15:52] <oSoMoN> cwayne, hey, I have a fix for the 8tracks issue with selection: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/blacklist-selection/+merge/206747
[15:52] <oSoMoN> well, it’s more of a workaround, but it should do the trick for demo purposes
[15:53] <oSoMoN> the details are in the bug report
[15:54] <cwayne> oSoMoN, \o/ awesome!
[15:54] <oSoMoN> cwayne, is that something you can test/review?
[15:54] <cwayne> oSoMoN, i can test for sure, not sure i'd be the best to review though
[15:55] <cwayne> oSoMoN, can you get me an updated deb to try out?
[15:55] <oSoMoN> cwayne, if you can test and confirm that the fix works, that’d be a good start :)
[16:01] <cwayne> oSoMoN, if you get me a deb i'm happy to test it out :)
[16:13] <oSoMoN> cwayne, CI should spit out a deb and post the link to it in the MR soonish
[16:15] <asac> CI does that? nice :)
[16:16] <ogra_> asac, not for all branches, but for most
[16:17] <Saviq> rsalveti, hey, since `bzr blame` puts it with you, who decided for GRID_UNIT_PX to be 21 for flo?
[16:18] <rsalveti> Saviq: I did :P
[16:22] <Jaybone> Can I load Ubuntu touch to Samsung series 7 tablet?
[16:27] <Saviq> rsalveti, looks like it needs to be reduced, everything's huge
[16:27] <Saviq> Kaleo, do you have an idea for Nexus7 grid unit?
[16:27] <oSoMoN> cwayne, that’s the deb built by CI: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-trusty-armhf/2941/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip
[16:28] <ogra_> Saviq, you dont have 4 icons per row ?
[16:28] <ogra_> (it was huge with 3)
[16:28] <Saviq> ogra_, it should be more than 4
[16:28] <ogra_> oh
[16:28] <rsalveti> Saviq: can't be reduced unless we're in landscape
[16:28]  * ogra_ wouldnt mind 5
[16:28] <rsalveti> otherwise you'll get sidestage in portrait
[16:29] <Saviq> rsalveti, well, that's easy to fix (and well, we're in landscape already)
[16:29] <rsalveti> Saviq: great, even in portrait I believe it's too big
[16:30] <Saviq> rsalveti, sure it is
[16:30] <rsalveti> maybe we can find a better value that would fit both cases well, but we'd need to fix the sidestage behavior then
[16:30] <Saviq> rsalveti, sure, once there's a definition for the desired sidestage behavior ;)
[16:31] <rsalveti> Saviq: how is it done currently?
[16:31] <rsalveti> I mean, how do you decide when to show the sidestage?
[16:31] <Saviq> rsalveti, > 60GU
[16:32] <rsalveti> Saviq: got it
[16:45] <Kaleo> Saviq, should be ~21-22
[16:45] <Kaleo> Saviq, but jounih is going to have a look
[16:45] <Kaleo> Saviq, I think a simple policy would be to only have the sidestage in one of the 2 orientation?
[16:45] <Kaleo> +s
[16:46] <Kaleo> Saviq, maybe the largest one :)
[16:46] <Saviq> Kaleo, that's problematic when switching between orientations
[16:46] <Saviq> Kaleo, what do you do with sidestage apps when you go into no-sidestage mode
[16:47] <Saviq> Kaleo, especially if it's an app that only supports phone layout (aka sidestage layout)
[16:47] <Saviq> Kaleo, it's 21 now, and everything's definitely too big
[16:47] <mhall119> Kaleo: would you be able to run a session on app performance analysis and profiling for App Developer Week?
[16:48] <Kaleo> mhall119, darn, when is that?
[16:48] <mhall119> March 3-6
[16:48] <Kaleo> mhall119, that's carnaval
[16:48] <mhall119> you can dress up :)
[16:48] <Kaleo> mhall119, literally :)
[16:48] <Kaleo> mhall119, as in I won't be onlince :)
[16:48] <Kaleo> -c
[16:48] <mhall119> :-P
[16:48] <mhall119> ok
[16:49] <Kaleo> mhall119, none of the brazilians will be here :/
[16:49] <popey> some people come up with the darndest excuses ☻
[16:49] <popey> thats the best so far
[16:49] <mhall119> Kaleo: who else could give a good session on that who won't be dressing up and partying all week?
[16:49] <Kaleo> popey, wikipedia backs me up ):
[16:49] <Kaleo> mhall119, let me think a sec
[16:49] <mhall119> ^^ as of an edit 30 seconds ago no doubt
[16:49] <Kaleo> lol
[16:50] <Pascal> Hallo
[16:50] <Pascal> Hello
[16:51] <mhall119> timp: are you in Brazil?  If not, would you be able to run a session on using QML Loaders for App Developer Week, March 3-6?
[16:54] <Pascal> msg mhall119 Hello, I´m Pascal, I´m will Ubuntu for UEFI 64 Bit.
[16:54] <cwayne> davmor2, ping
[16:54] <davmor2> cwayne: How do
[16:54] <cwayne> davmor2, good, you
[16:55] <cwayne> davmor2, can you do me a favor and install this: http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-trusty-armhf/2941/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip then try the 8tracks webapp?
[16:55] <cwayne> pls :)
[16:55] <Pascal> Hallo ich spreche Deutsch könt ihr auch deutsch?
[16:56] <mhall119> hello Pascal, English is the most common language here
[16:56] <Pascal> ok
[16:56] <mhall119> dholbach might be able to help translate though
[16:56] <mhall119> or dpm
[16:57] <dholbach> Pascal, Ich bin nicht mehr lange hier, aber wenn Du kannst, würde ich hier Englisch sprechen - das macht die Sache entschieden leichter.
[16:57] <dholbach> Pascal, Worum geht's?
[16:58] <Pascal> um Ubuntu ich weiß nicht  ob ich die 64 Bit oder die 32 Bit version nehmen soll
[16:59] <Kaleo> I thought we decided that channel was going to be french only
[16:59] <Kaleo> we're slipping
[16:59] <DonkeyHotei> does ubuntu-touch work on saucy?
[16:59] <Pascal> Hallo dholbach
[17:00] <dholbach> Pascal, das ist keine Frage, die sich um Ubuntu Touch dreht.... probier mal http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/64-Bit-Architektur?redirect=no und die Leute in #ubuntu-de können Dir sicher besser helfen
[17:00] <Pascal> Hallo dholbach es geht um Ubuntu ich weiß nicht  ob ich die 64 Bit oder die 32 Bit version nehmen soll.
[17:01] <dholbach> Pascal, probier den Link aus, den ich Dir geschickt habe und frag das nächste Mal vielleicht in #ubuntu-de (ein deutscher Support-Channel) - hier geht es in erster Linie um die Entwicklung von Ubuntu Touch
[17:02] <Rienzilla> Kaleo: quoi?!
[17:02] <Rienzilla> :)
[17:02] <Pascal> achso ich probiere den link aus
[17:03] <Kaleo> Rienzilla, rien :)
[17:03] <Kaleo> mhall119, give me a couple of days or so to figure it ou
[17:03] <Kaleo> t
[17:04] <davmor2> cwayne: let me get set up and grab the latest images and stuff. Then I'll get back to you
[17:04] <Pascal> Hallo dholbach ich habe einen UEFI Bios dan mus ich doch die 64 Bit Vrsion benutzen oder?
[17:09] <cwayne> davmor2, btw to update 4.4.2 images and stage them i got a script setup
[17:10] <brendand> i'm getting an error when running phablet-flash ubuntu-system
[17:10] <brendand> ERROR:phablet-flash:Backup requested but cannot be completed succesfully, try with --system-image-ready if the system is already on an Image Based Ubuntu System to force it or use --bootstrap if data saving is not important or the system is not already on an Image Based Ubuntu System.
[17:10] <brendand> currently it's on android
[17:12] <cwayne> brendand, add -b
[17:13] <mhall119> Kaleo: ok, just let me know if you can (if you can't, that's fine too)
[17:13] <Kaleo> mhall119, I can't, I was looking at who would be good for it
[17:16] <DonkeyHotei> does ubuntu-touch work on saucy?
[17:20] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, define "work on saucy"
[17:20] <DonkeyHotei> well, i did apt-get install ubuntu-touch after debootstrap, and it doesn't start
[17:21] <ogra_> on what did you install that package ?
[17:21] <ogra_> on a phone ?
[17:21] <DonkeyHotei> x86 tablet
[17:21] <ogra_> no, that wont work currently
[17:21] <davmor2> cwayne: oh was it in one of the emails you sent out
[17:21] <DonkeyHotei> what keeps it from working?
[17:22] <ogra_> you need the android hardware abstraction layer
[17:22] <davmor2> I haven't read it all yet
[17:22] <ogra_> Mir needs the GLES drivers
[17:22] <cwayne> davmor2, no, haven't sent it out yet
[17:22] <DonkeyHotei> can't just use xorg?
[17:22] <ogra_> no
[17:22] <ogra_> well, you can
[17:22] <ogra_> but that wont be ubuntu-touch anymore
[17:23] <davmor2> cwayne: can you send it out to me then please and I give it a bash
[17:23] <ogra_> you might be able to run unity8 on top of Xorg
[17:23] <DonkeyHotei> installing ubuntu-touch installed xorg for me
[17:23] <ogra_> but you will surely have to tweak a lot
[17:23] <ogra_> (like the session start scripts etc)
[17:23] <cwayne> davmor2, sure thing
[17:24] <ogra_> ubuntu-touch definitely has no dependency on any Xorg stuff
[17:24] <DonkeyHotei> it seems to on amd64
[17:24] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/trusty-preinstalled-touch-i386.manifest
[17:24] <ogra_> oh
[17:24] <ogra_> amd64
[17:24] <davmor2> cwayne: I'm just going to try out rsalveti 's n7 fix first
[17:24] <ogra_> we dont maintain that at all
[17:25] <ogra_> thats just broken
[17:25] <ogra_> (and we dont plan any amd64 images currently ... the only x86 target in the not so far future will be android based x86 tablets
[17:25] <ogra_> )
[17:26] <cwayne> davmor2, this will pull that fix
[17:26] <DonkeyHotei> so there is no free alternative to win8 atm?
[17:27] <davmor2> cwayne: yeah but I want it minus anything else to ensure that it works before I pull in other stuff that might break it again :)
[17:27] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, you could try a normal Ubuntu install ... with Unity7 ... but thats not that touch friendly
[17:28] <DonkeyHotei> i meant a touch-friendly alternative
[17:28] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, it is planned that Unity8 takes over the desktop in the 14.10 release, then the desktop install should work a lot better in touch mode
[17:29] <ogra_> for 14.04 we fully concentrate on the phone though
[17:29] <ogra_> (and android based tablets)
[17:29] <DonkeyHotei> in 14.10 will there be any difference between ubuntu-touch and ubuntu-desktop?
[17:30] <ogra_> yes there will still be differences, but the Ui itself will eb a lot more touch friendly
[17:30] <DonkeyHotei> what will the differences be?
[17:30] <ogra_> i have no crystal ball near me :)
[17:31] <ogra_> we are currently working on 14.04 ...
[17:31] <ogra_> anything for 14.10 are only plans yet
[17:31] <ogra_> and one of the plans is that unity7 will be gone from the desktop
[17:31] <ogra_> and be replaced by unity8 ...
[17:31] <ogra_> same for xorg
[17:31] <DonkeyHotei> you said there are still planned to be differences
[17:31] <ogra_> will be replaced by Mir in 14.10
[17:32] <ogra_> no, i didnt say there are planned differences
[17:32] <ogra_> i did say that i assume there will be differences
[17:32] <DonkeyHotei> oh ok
[17:32] <ogra_> simply because we will only replace two parts of the desktop yet
[17:32] <ogra_> the rest will likely still be like it is today
[17:33] <ogra_> the touch UI doedsnt offer a desktop mode, doesnt use deb packages etc etc
[17:33] <DonkeyHotei> no .deb?
[17:33] <ogra_> it will take a few releases until all that stuff moved into the desktop space
[17:33] <ogra_> 14.10 will just be the first one seeing changes in that direction
[17:34] <ogra_> and even for that ... it is only plans yet
[17:34] <ogra_> we need to finish 14.04 first
[17:34] <ogra_> before plans for 14.10 become more concrete
[17:51] <Kaleo> ogra_, ask me, I live in the future
[17:51] <ogra_> lol
[17:54] <timp> Kaleo: could you please send me the changelog for the MR that I am going to submit at the end of february 2014?
[17:55] <Kaleo> timp lol
[17:56] <timp> mhall119: I don't live in brasil, but here we have carnival also
[17:56] <timp> mhall119: I'll talk to zsombi tomorrow
[18:06] <frecel> daker: ping
[18:06] <daker> frecel: did you managed to report the bugs ?
[18:07] <frecel> daker: I was just about to finish my coffee and get to it
[18:07] <daker> frecel: ok take your time
[18:08] <daker> frecel: we hang in #ubuntu-webapps (me & alex-abreu)
[18:10] <Darren-Tosh> HEllo
[18:11] <Darren-Tosh> Anyone Here?
[18:49] <cwayne> ogra_, got a sec for an MP? :) https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/project-rootstock-ng/mimes/+merge/206788
[18:58] <ogra_> cwayne, looks ok to me ... we should put the mime test into a function later
[18:58] <cwayne> ogra_, yeah, it can definitely be cleaner, but this was a 'holy-shit-its-not-working-lets-fix-it' type of fix :)
[18:59] <ogra_> what was not working exactly ?
[18:59] <cwayne> on mine (and your machine), the mimetype was showing as application/gzip
[18:59] <cwayne> but on other peoples it was application/x-gzip
[18:59] <ogra_> oh
[18:59] <cwayne> so it was erroring out telling them they needed a valid tarball
[18:59] <ogra_> weird people
[18:59] <cwayne> lol
[19:00] <ogra_> merged and pushed
[19:01] <cwayne> ogra_, thank you
[19:04] <bersek> someone here? xD
[19:22] <volkovmqx> hi !
[19:27] <basketballllll> hey
[19:29] <bull> hello
[19:38] <jcbjoe> when is this channel alive ?
[19:38] <jcbjoe> and are people from the US ?
[19:38] <ogra_> there are some from the US some from EU
[19:39] <jcbjoe> cool i been here a couple of days now and really no answer to my question
[19:39] <ogra_> (but the US celebrates "first ladies husband day" today)
[19:39] <jcbjoe> is ubuntu-touch offical or is everything still in preview ? i have a nexus 7 i would really like to get it on  < -- i heared n7 will be just supported and i have it and i really want to use ubuntu-touch
[19:40] <ogra_> it is pretty usable already, but still lacking some apps (no email for example)
[19:40] <ogra_> are you talking about a new N7 ?
[19:40] <jcbjoe> i have a n7 2013
[19:40] <ogra_> (2013 model)
[19:40] <jcbjoe> yes
[19:41] <ogra_> that will only be official supported when the android 4.4 stack is used ...
[19:41] <ogra_> probably by end of the wweek
[19:41] <jcbjoe> cool
[19:41] <jcbjoe> everything else works correct ?
[19:41] <ogra_> we have some experimantal images https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2
[19:41] <ogra_> feel free to try them
[19:44] <barry> is ubuntu-device-flash still the command to use to flash devices?  i have the ppa enabled and that command doesn't exist.  phablet-flash does though  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[19:45] <barry> (unfortunately, phablet-flash tends to brick the device about every other time)
[19:45] <ogra_> barry, yes, it is
[19:45] <ogra_> sergiusens maintains it
[19:45] <barry> ogra_: okay.  where does it come from? ;)
[19:45] <sergiusens> barry, apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash
[19:46] <ogra_> there should be binaries in the PPA ... i use trusty so i dont know if the PPA works
[19:46] <barry> sergiusens: hmm, maybe my apt-cache is out of date :(  it didn't show me
[19:46] <sergiusens> barry, for system images all it does is download a full image and write an ubuntu_commands for it
[19:46] <barry> sergiusens: ah, okay.  is that essentially what phablet-flash did?
[19:46] <sergiusens> barry, trusty?
[19:47] <barry> sergiusens: yep, trusty
[19:47] <sergiusens> barry, yes, but ordering is different and it's parallelized
[19:47] <sergiusens> barry, it's in the archives for trusty
[19:47] <barry> sergiusens: okay, cool.  i've got it installed now.  hopefully i won't run into the same problems as phablet-flash
[19:47] <sergiusens>  *** 0.2+14.04.20140207-0ubuntu1 0
[19:47] <sergiusens>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
[19:47] <barry> sergiusens: thanks
[19:48] <jcbjoe> ogra_, im a n00b to ubuntu-touch im assuming i installed ubuntu on parallels once done i can just follow hwat you sent me right ?
[19:48] <sergiusens> I use it almost everydays with no issues
[19:49] <sergiusens> barry, if you find a problem, please tell me about it
[19:49] <ogra_> jcbjoe, yes, should work
[19:49] <ogra_> as long as your desktop is using ubuntu it should be fine ...
[19:49] <barry> sergiusens: will do.  but yeah, it's strange.  about every 2nd or 3rd time i'm flashing it, the process fails for some reason and the device just boot-infloops on the google logo.  i have to flash back to android to fix it
[19:53] <jcbjoe> ogyou said mail isn't working ( native app) but everything else is fine correct ?
[19:53] <jcbjoe> oops
[19:53] <jcbjoe> ogra_,*
[19:54] <ogra_> well, there arent apps for everything yet ...
[19:54] <ogra_> you really should try it to get an impression yourself
[19:58] <jcbjoe> ok cool
[19:58] <jcbjoe> i wonder if anyone uses it as a daily driver
[19:58] <jcbjoe> when this concept came out last year i was so happy
[19:59] <jcbjoe> but my devices really didn't work and now i have this n7 and im re-excited
[19:59] <barry> sergiusens: does ubuntu-device-flash have a verbose mode?  i can't tell if it's doing anything.  i know the docs say "this step can take a very long time", but some progress indicators would be helpful
[20:03] <sergiusens> barry, you want a spinner for pushing?
[20:04] <barry> sergiusens: probably downloading and pushing i guess.  anything to tell me "hey, i'm working on it!"
[20:04] <sergiusens> barry, would be good to see the recovery logs when that happens
[20:04] <sergiusens> barry, downloading is verbose
[20:04] <barry> sergiusens: even if it was tied to a --verbose flag
[20:04] <barry> sergiusens: hmm, okay, so i guess it's not doing anything then.  `ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty --revision 174 --bootstrap` just sits there
[20:05] <sergiusens> barry, ahh; I guess I can add an, waiting for fastboot
[20:05] <sergiusens> barry, --bootstrap is meant to run from the bootloader
[20:05] <sergiusens> it's in the man and wiki
[20:05] <barry> sergiusens: yep, that would help
[20:06] <barry> sergiusens: okay, i'll update my script further (i was using --bootstrap from phablet-flash but maybe --wipe is better)
[20:06] <sergiusens> barry, yeah, wipe is basically adding format to ubuntu_commands
[20:07] <barry> sergiusens: okay, that makes sense, thanks.  so first install needs bootloader and --bootstrap, and then after that --wipe
[20:07] <barry> yep, and now i see download progress
[20:07] <barry> sergiusens: got it, thanks
[20:07] <ajalkane> with all these cmake changes, what's the proper way to build a click package for emulator? If I do it from QtCreator I get in the .click package *.desktop.in, not the actual *.desktop
[20:07] <sergiusens> barry, yeah; bootstrap for when another thing was previously on; no args is normal operation and wipe is to format data
[20:08] <sergiusens> barry, I'll add a message to the --bootstrap option; you are not the first one (it's also in the help btw)
[20:09] <barry> sergiusens: "do this from fastboot" could probably use some elaboration yeah
[20:22] <CountryfiedLinux> Is Ubuntu Touch GNU?
[20:24] <ajalkane> CountryfiedLinux: At least the core apps are GPLv3 I think
[20:24] <CountryfiedLinux> oh ok thanks ajalkane
[20:25] <ajalkane> I think GPL is the default, though it's possible some components are under some other license.
[21:06] <Akiva-Mobile> will this run http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/sys/4316317091.html?
[21:46] <tomlabirt> hi all. I'm trying to flash the ubuntu to my galaxy nexus phone. I followed the instructions on this website until the 4th step: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install, but the system cannot find the following command: ubuntu-device-flash
[21:46] <tomlabirt> anyone who can help me in this problem?
[21:49] <Elleo> tomlabirt: looks like that page needs updating you also need to apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash
[21:50] <Elleo> it used to be done via phablet-flash which was included in the phablet-tools package (which is in the instructions)
[21:53] <tomlabirt> thank you, and the arguments are the same? So i can use: phablet-flash --channel devel --bootstrap ?
[21:55] <tomlabirt> sorry. it seems to be i missunderstood what you wrote. So the phablet-flash command was the old method, and now i should use the ubuntu-device-flash?
[21:58] <Elleo> tomlabirt: yes, now you should use ubuntu-device-flash
[21:58] <Elleo> you just need to run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash' first
[21:59] <tomlabirt> and which package contains this
[21:59] <Elleo> the package is just called ubuntu-device-flash
[21:59] <tomlabirt> ?
[21:59] <tomlabirt> i tried to install it but no success
[22:00] <Elleo> have you added the phablet-team/tools ppa?
[22:00] <Elleo> and done an apt-get update since adding it?
[22:00] <tomlabirt> no
[22:00] <Elleo> tomlabirt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Step_1_-_Desktop_Setup
[22:01] <Elleo> (except with the addition of ubuntu-device-flash in the install line)
[22:02] <tomlabirt> ohh. . many thanks. I skipped this line. I dont know why.
[22:02] <Elleo> easy enough to do :)
[22:05] <tomlabirt> and what are the differences between the channels?
[22:06] <tomlabirt> if I'am not a developer, and I just want to try how it looks what should i choose?
[22:07] <Elleo> the channels determine how experimental things are, so saucy is the last stable release and won't really change much
[22:07] <mrgoodcat> i can't get the ubuntu touch templates to show up in the sdk. I have tried a few "solutions" from the internet but nothing has worked. anybody have this issue?
[22:08] <Elleo> whereas devel changes frequently (so it has more features, but might break stuff from time to time)
[22:08] <Elleo> and devel-proposed is very experimental
[22:09] <mrgoodcat> i made sure i'm using qt5 and the ubuntu plugins are loading. i just don't see the templates
[22:10] <Elleo> mrgoodcat: you don't happen to have or had something like the nokia meego qt sdk installed as well do you? I seem to remember that causing some issues with the ubuntu sdk for me a while back
[22:10] <mrgoodcat> no nothing like that
[22:10] <mrgoodcat> its almost a clean install of 13.10
[22:11] <Elleo> in that case I haven't a clue I'm afraid
[22:11] <mrgoodcat> this has happened to me multiple times... i've never gotten the sdk to work
[22:11] <mrgoodcat> on multiple different computers
[22:18] <tomlabirt> i executed the following command: ubuntu-device-flash --channel devel --bootstrap, but no reaction.
[22:18] <om26er> dialer-app is opening in landscape on my desktop, HELP ?
[22:18] <om26er> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=294026
[22:19] <tomlabirt> the adb devices command lists my device
[22:20] <mrgoodcat> i just spun a fresh vm of 12.04 and installed the sdk and can't get the touch templates
[22:30] <mrgoodcat> i'm done with this for the day. thanks Elleo for trying to help
[22:32] <Elleo> mrgoodcat: no worries, sorry I couldn't be more use
[22:32] <Elleo> tomlabirt: by no reaction do you mean no output at all?
[22:33] <mrgoodcat> at least you tried
[22:33] <mrgoodcat> i've never had so much trouble trying to get help from the ubuntu community. maybe i just picked the wrong time of day to try...
[22:33] <paupav> hi
[22:34] <paupav> can i get ubuntu touch update on my galaxy nexus?
[22:34] <paupav> the latest one
[22:35] <Elleo> mrgoodcat: I suspect part of the problem is that a lot fewer people have deep knowledge about the sdk stuff than about most ubuntu related things
[22:35] <Elleo> mrgoodcat: so you need to be lucky enough to catch one of the few people who know what they're talking about ;)
[22:35] <mrgoodcat> i suppose that is possible. i'm just in an awful mood right now from trying to get this figured out
[22:49] <tomlabirt> Elleo: Yes. No output at all.
[22:52] <Elleo> sorry, I'm not sure what could be up then
[23:07] <isantop> Is there any way to get Ubuntu Touch (or Unity8 with a log-in session) on an x86 tablet?
[23:21] <beuno> isantop, Unity8 on x86 is something that's being worked on
[23:21] <beuno> I'm not sure where that work is
[23:21] <beuno> jasoncwarner may, if he's around (which he shouldn't!)
[23:22] <isantop> Is there anything to play with today, or is it all focused on ARM?
[23:22] <isantop> I can think of a particular company that's eager to sell Ubuntu tablets.
[23:22] <jasoncwarner> isantop we haven't landed the preview session for 14.04 desktop yet. it's being worked. you can always get the touch image and try it out on a tablet.
[23:23] <RAOF> beuno: You can *install* it now, but I don't know to what extent it works ;)
[23:23] <beuno> isantop, will let us know soon!
[23:23] <beuno> *hint*
[23:23] <jasoncwarner> RAOF :)
[23:24] <isantop> Not-working is fine. I just need something to show to the higher-ups.
[23:29] <jcbjoe> finally got ubuntu on this machine
[23:34] <mhall119> isantop: if you can get Ubuntu desktop running on the tablet, you can run Unity 8 in a maximized window to give at least an idea of how it feels
[23:42] <isantop> mhall119, That's easy enough; I've already got Ubuntu Desktop on it.