[00:19] <mapps> hey
[00:20] <neuro> is for horses
[00:20] <neuro> as my mum would always say
[00:20] <mapps> lol
[00:20] <mapps> ;]
[00:20] <mapps> just finished my passport application..hoorah
[00:21] <mapps> hope they dont reject the photos
[00:21] <neuro> as long as you're not smiling
[00:21] <mapps> yeqa
[00:21] <mapps> and no hair coivering face/glasses etc
[00:21] <mapps> but
[00:22] <mapps> thing was ..it says two photos minmum of 45mm height by 35mm width - so i cut them but theyre a bit bigger..someone said they will cut them to size its just if theyre smaller they get rejected
[00:23] <neuro> i still either need to find my old expired passport or go through the rigmarole of reporting it lost before i can renew
[00:23] <neuro> and if i can't find it and have to report it lost, when i go to renew, i need to get photos signed etc :(
[00:23] <mapps> yea
[00:23] <mapps> thats why i had to
[00:24] <neuro> by a "respectable" person, mental
[00:24] <mapps> i lost mine somehow between manchester and home
[00:24] <mapps> ;(
[00:24] <neuro> mine is in the house somewhere
[00:24] <neuro> no bloomin' clue where it is
[00:25] <mapps> yea i thought the same dude
[00:25] <mapps> came back from holland..and hadnt been anywhere since..I NEVER take it out if i go to tesco or go out drinking..we arent a police state and im 29
[00:25] <mapps> but i cant find it:(
[00:29] <mapps> even went to tesco to see if it had fallen out of my pocket ..went there on my way back had no food in
[00:29] <mapps> but no;/was going to go away March 10th-19th too but wont be able to now;(
[00:30] <neuro> unlucky
[00:30] <neuro> and you can't use the express same day / next day services with lost renewals, right?
[00:30] <mapps> yea thats what it said
[00:31] <mapps> dunno if theres any like 1 week thing ..but i figure i just cant go
[00:31] <neuro> you'd think by cancelling the old passport and verifying you from birth certificate, NI records, tax records, credit record, etc they could quickly verify you.
[00:32] <mapps> yep
[00:32] <mapps> agree
[00:32] <mapps> i work..mum and dad british..etc nothing dodgy
[00:32] <mapps> all my details can be checked easily
[00:32] <mapps> they even say with lost passports you may have to go for an interview to prove youu are who you say
[00:32] <mapps> thatd be a PAIN
[00:33] <neuro> so premium service (4 hours) isn't available for replacing lost passports
[00:33] <neuro> but the fast track (1 week) service is
[00:33] <neuro> £103
[00:33] <neuro> https://www.gov.uk/get-a-passport-urgently
[00:33] <mapps> ooh
[00:33] <mapps> might do that
[00:34] <neuro> i take it you've done the reporting process for a lost passport already?
[00:34] <mapps> do i have to go to the post office or a passport office or can i still do it by post?
[00:34] <mapps> no--i was going to send that at the same time as my applicaiton form..says you can send the LS01 at same time
[00:34] <neuro> i'd do that first, but then again i'm not in a hurry ;)
[00:35] <neuro> probably best to call the advice line in the morning and get them to help
[00:35] <ali1234> if you go to the post office they just put all the documents in an envelope and post it for you
[00:35] <neuro> 0300 222 000 8am-8pm
[00:35] <mapps> thats what i thought ali1234
[00:35] <mapps> thanks
[00:35] <mapps> neuro,  does it say whether you have to go to a passport office or anything though
[00:35] <neuro> i think you do
[00:36] <neuro> "To get your passport within 1 week, you must supply all your completed forms and supporting documents to Her Majesty’s Passport Office at the agreed appointment."
[00:36] <mapps> aha
[00:36] <neuro> you can book an appointment at a Passport Customer Service Centre from the adviceline
[00:36] <ali1234> the interview is really dumb
[00:36] <neuro> read that page i linked to, it tells you Stuff
[00:37] <mapps> thanks
[00:37] <mapps> hey you had one ali1234 ?
[00:37] <ali1234> i didn't know the answers to any of the questions they asked, still got a passport
[00:37] <neuro> what kind of questions do they ask you?
[00:37] <ali1234> basically if you show up and you're white you get a passport
[00:37] <mapps> lol hat kinda qs
[00:37] <mapps> ye
[00:37] <neuro> "what's your favourite colour?"
[00:37] <mapps> lo
[00:37] <ali1234> pretty much
[00:37] <neuro> "who is the manager of arsenal?"
[00:37] <neuro> "what is the queen's middle name?"
[00:38] <neuro> (answer: Royal, as in Her Royal Highness)
[00:38] <ali1234> they ask you about the person who notarized your photos
[00:38] <ali1234> what bank accounts you have
[00:38] <ali1234> ie "what bank is your current account?"
[00:38] <neuro> oh jeez, that's easy
[00:38] <mapps> what about the person who notarised it
[00:38] <neuro> probably what do they do
[00:39] <neuro> how long have you known them
[00:39] <ali1234> who is the person and how do you know them?
[00:39] <neuro> what's your relationship etc
[00:40] <ali1234> i don't think they're interested in the answers you give, it's more of a stress test really
[00:40] <neuro> from the list of people of "good standing" you can get as countersignatory, I can only really see one that i could use: director/manager/personell officer of a VAT registered company
[00:40] <neuro> i would just talk to one of my mates who contracts a lot :)
[00:41] <neuro> ooh or "chairman/director of a limited company"
[00:41] <mapps> i used my friends wife
[00:41] <mapps> she's a teacher
[00:41] <neuro> "used"
[00:41]  * mapps knows noone
[00:41] <mapps> heh
[00:42] <mapps> you know what i mean:)
[00:43] <neuro> although in saying that, the occupations list does say "must work in (or be retired from) a recognised profession or be a 'person of good standing in their community', eg"
[00:43] <neuro> and the important bit is "eg"
[00:43] <neuro> so i guess it's not an exhaustive list
[00:44] <neuro> actually, a mate of mine works in a council-run sports centre
[00:44] <neuro> so he's had all the usual background checks to make sure he doesn't fiddle with kids
[00:45] <neuro> and he's had his application approved to volunteer at the Commonwealths
[00:45] <neuro> so he'd probably do
[00:45] <neuro> what the hell ...
[00:46] <neuro> http://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/wind-farms-like-lockerbie-disaster-donald-trump-1-3304511
[00:46] <neuro> donald trump has compared wind farm development in Scotland to the Lockerbie disaster
[00:46] <neuro> he's a lunatic
[00:47] <mapps> yea
[00:47] <mapps> moron
[00:47] <mapps> ;/
[00:49] <neuro> jeez, they actually have a page on the golf club website (the one near aberdeen) detailing trump's scottish ancestry
[00:50] <neuro> aaaanyway ...
[01:15] <neuro> just had to go through a whole bunch of domain names resetting contact info :P
[01:16] <neuro> bloomin' annoying as the reason i got a reseller account to handle mates wanting domain names was to avoid all the admin hassle :)
[01:19] <mapps> heh
[01:20] <mapps> how many domains u got
[01:20] <neuro> counting ones that other people have bought from me, 32
[01:21] <neuro> 12 personally
[01:21] <neuro> including omnombuntu.com which was a mistake really
[01:21] <neuro> hmm, i need to reset the default page
[01:22] <neuro> that's better
[01:51] <mapps> ;]
[02:26] <mapps> oke
[02:26] <mapps> taking my dell 1501 completely apart
[02:26] <mapps> to find out if it is the fan causing this horrific noise:)
[02:29] <daftykins> D:
[02:29] <daftykins> neuro: lol, no good deed.
[02:29] <mapps> if not..well then
[02:29] <mapps> we are stuck
[02:29] <mapps> :(
[02:29] <neuro> :)
[02:31] <daftykins> throw it out and get a new!
[02:31] <mapps> no!"
[02:31] <mapps> never
[02:32] <daftykins> hehe i jest
[02:32] <mapps> i hatr throwing stuff away:D
[02:32] <mapps> *hate
[02:32] <daftykins> mapps: rather than disassemble twice
[02:32] <daftykins> why not ebay a replacement cooler and strip it down with it present
[02:32] <mapps> ive got a new laptop samsung i5 ..this is my old dell from my uni days ..so ya its old
[02:32] <daftykins> that way you can replace it if it is \o/
[02:32] <mapps> just runs centos atm
[02:32] <mapps> what else could it be if not fan
[02:32] <daftykins> i dunno i just turned up tbh i don't know the convo
[02:33] <daftykins> i guess that's all it could be!
[02:33] <mapps> basically my dell 1501 makes a horrific noise ..but it works fine..boots and everything works
[02:36] <daftykins> i only do laptop teardowns when i have enough wake-time to put them back together again :D
[02:36] <daftykins> if i sleep between, i forget things
[02:43] <mapps> i get that heh..i printed out the instructons for taking it apart
[02:43] <mapps> :)
[02:47] <mapps> hmm well didnt think this through
[02:47] <mapps> i cant turn it on and power it up so i cant see the fan going
[02:47] <mapps> doesnt look bunged up with dirt though so nothing visibly wrong
[02:54] <daftykins> is it a bearing based fan?
[02:55] <mapps> silly q but not sure what that means or how to know
[02:57] <daftykins> so you've got a motor spinning it, but to stop it just being plastic on plastic spinning wearing itself out, they used to be metal ball bearings
[02:57] <daftykins> or a cunning sleeve based system
[02:57] <daftykins> sometimes it just says on the little fan what it is
[02:57] <daftykins> but yeah this is why i like just replacing 'em 'cause yup it tends to be quite hard to run whilst on the bench
[02:57] <daftykins> though i've always been happy to sketchily reassemble it enough to make it work
[02:58] <daftykins> even if it means holding the battery up to it to run it XD
[02:58] <daftykins> mains is easier to attach though of course
[03:00] <mapps> yea
[03:00] <mapps> i just didnt think duh..i need to be able to press it on and there's nothing i can press on the kaptops motherboard to go on
[03:00] <mapps> heh
[03:00] <mapps> it looks just like plastic
[03:02] <daftykins> how do you mean press on to go on? 'cause the power button board's off?
[03:02] <mapps> ya
[03:03] <mapps> the hinge bit is off which is where the power button is
[03:04] <daftykins> *nod*
[03:05] <daftykins> you could put back the bare minimum :>
[03:05] <daftykins> usually that board just presses on a button on the other side
[03:05] <mapps> yea thats what i thought thought id be able to press it myself?
[03:05] <mapps> maybe just put the hinge cover back on?
[03:10] <daftykins> i'd imagine the only other thing in that system that's mechanical is the HDD?
[03:11] <daftykins> maybe reassemble all and take the HDD out, then fire it up :D
[03:11] <daftykins> but yeah doubt it's that really
[03:14] <mapps> hm
[03:14] <mapps> so for now to test fan
[03:14] <mapps> put hinge back?
[03:14] <mapps> hinge cover
[03:18] <daftykins> i really don't know the specific laptop to tell what's viable or not :D
[03:23] <mapps> :)
[03:23] <mapps> so what you doing up this time|? NBA all stars on
[03:26] <daftykins> it's my birthday ^_^
[03:26] <mapps> ah happy birthday
[03:26] <mapps> :D
[03:26] <mapps> off worek tomorrow?
[03:27] <daftykins> thanks :)
[03:27] <daftykins> i work when i want really :>
[03:30] <mapps> tonights a good tv night for me
[03:30] <mapps> :D
[03:30] <mapps> true detective and walking dead
[03:30] <mapps> yeaaaa
[03:30] <mapps> :D
[03:32] <daftykins> hehe
[03:33] <mapps> might be going to see robocop at the imax tomorrow:D
[03:33] <mapps> yuou watch either of those series?
[03:36] <daftykins> nah
[03:36] <daftykins> not even heard of the former
[03:37] <mapps> O_o
[03:37] <mapps> ;]
[03:38] <mapps> had a dominos earlier:D first time in like uhh gotta be over a year
[03:38] <mapps> ncie for a change :)
[03:39] <daftykins> we don't have any pizza chains over here
[03:39] <daftykins> had dominos a couple of times during Uni though
[03:54] <mapps> oh
[03:54] <mapps> none
[03:54] <mapps> wow
[03:59] <daftykins> yip
[04:01] <mapps> just surprising
[04:01] <mapps> :)
[04:06] <daftykins> well, time to go
[04:07] <daftykins> gl with the laptop sir \o
[04:20] <mapps> he turns his pc off? whats up with that:D
[06:25] <jussi> o/
[06:40] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:56]  * jussi hands MooDoo the obligatory cup of  tea :)
[07:02] <MooDoo> yay thanks
[08:31] <DJones> MooDoo: 6.40am is too early for good morning's
[08:33] <MooDoo> DJones: yeah I usually get in to work at about 6:30
[08:34] <DJones> Thats a bit early for me, I'm normally walking the dog then
[08:35] <MooDoo> I don't expect many people up at that time, just being polite really :D
[08:35] <DJones> :)
[08:41] <AlanBell> morning
[08:44] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell how are you this fine dya?
[08:45] <MooDoo> Obviously I can't spell
[08:47] <AlanBell> I am fine, just need to stop playing flappy parrot and get on with some work
[08:48] <jussi> haha
[08:49] <MooDoo> AlanBell: that darn game
[08:49] <AlanBell> 205 is my record http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/18035291/?autostart=true
[08:50] <MooDoo> no no no bloody darn you AlanBell
[08:52] <jussi> mr AlanBell! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:52] <jussi> 21 on the 3rd try... NOOOO
[08:53] <MooDoo> I had to close it or i'd never get work done.
[08:53] <jussi> me also...
[08:55] <AlanBell> I want to add a global high score, but cloud variables don't appear to be working at the moment
[09:18] <MooDoo> wow you can tell it's half term, silence ;)
[09:19] <popey> ☻
[09:19] <popey> Kids playing minecraft here
[09:20] <MooDoo> my son is right getting into it, he loves it.
[09:20] <popey> I setup a pocket minecraft server, sophie let her school friends know, now they play on that together
[09:20] <MooDoo> he's not discovered minecon thank fully yet lol
[09:21] <MooDoo> never thought of doing that for jimmy ans his friends :)
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:23] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:23] <bashrc> morning
[09:23] <MooDoo> quite liking trusty tahr at the moment, apart from that pesky login bug :)
[09:23] <popey> what bug?
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning bashrc and popey
[09:24] <MooDoo> popey: I had a look it's one where the login box isn't getting focus at start up, you have to right click the box before you're able to type in it.
[09:24] <popey> oh
[09:28] <MooDoo> it's not a hard workaround, just right click the box to get focus
[09:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:29] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[10:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Human Spirit Day! :-D
[10:14] <hazrpg> \o
[10:17] <MooDoo> haello hazrpg
[10:17] <diplo> Morning all
[10:17] <hazrpg> hi MooDoo :)(
[10:17] <hazrpg> :)*
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning hazrpg
[10:21] <hazrpg> morning brobostigon
[10:23] <bigcalm> Panic stations - my parents are visiting 2 days early
[10:24] <brobostigon> oh dear
[10:25] <knightwise> morning everyone
[10:25] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[10:26] <MooDoo> bigcalm: omg you're going to have to tidy :S
[10:29] <bigcalm> MooDoo: that started yesterday, but we thought we had 2 more days to finish it
[10:31] <brobostigon> loads of coffee requied,
[10:32] <MooDoo> bigcalm: fancy parents wanting to come see their kids ;)
[10:34] <knightwise> anyone ever tried a desktop calendar client that plays nice with google calendar ?
[10:36] <dvrr> i configured vnc server to connect remote desktop it is secure or not   how can i  connect  remote desktop connection  with secure
[10:37] <dvrr> MooDoo
[10:40] <MooDoo> dvrr https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[10:41] <MooDoo> or this one - http://askubuntu.com/questions/91773/how-do-i-secure-vnc-desktop-sharing
[10:45] <jussi> dmmit, I hate it when one ear gets blocked :/
[10:47] <arsen> non techy colleague just came over and proclaimed "i got ubuntu installed last night - thanks!"
[10:47] <arsen> very happy with himself. good times.
[10:48] <MooDoo> nice one :D
[11:08] <MooDoo> pah only 19 in the ubuntu uk irc stats for most active nicks, meh!
[11:09] <MooDoo> Poor MooDoo, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 7 times.   LOL
[11:15] <dvrr> i am   using .pem files to connect ssh connection  it's working  with out .pem files  we can not connect  ssh connection.  remote desktop connection  only require  public ip & password  if we  know password we can connect anyone any where  it is not secure
[11:17] <dvrr> how can i connect  secure remote desktop connection
[11:23] <jussi> MooDoo: fail! :P
[11:33] <MooDoo> jussi: huh?
[11:34] <jussi> MooDoo: you are only 19th :D
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: do you feel attacked? :)
[11:35] <MooDoo> jussi: I know right, thought I just chatted a lot....
[11:35] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: don't hit me
[11:35] <MooDoo> done by our good friend brobostigon - http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> During this 979-day reporting period
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> that's almost 3 years!
[11:36] <MooDoo> we've been around that long :D
[11:36] <jussi> haha
[11:36] <jussi> some epic random quotes...
[11:36] <jussi> "ooh, just telnetted into my router"
[11:37] <popey> ☻
[11:37] <jussi> and also: "who is the person and how do you know them?"
[11:37] <diplo> Oh dear, I'm at number 9!
[11:37] <diplo> Not a good quote for me :P "diddledan: I put on 9st 10 if that counts as not good :P"
[11:38] <MooDoo> wow launchpad member since - 2006-04-06
[11:38] <popey> 2006-03-21
[11:38] <popey> close
[11:38] <MooDoo> blimey
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> Member since:
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> 2005-06-15
[11:39] <jussi> oh SuperMatt.... epic quote! "Happy "oh crap, it's that day again" day"
[11:39] <Laney> so old
[11:39] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: wow i thought 2006 was early... MartijnVdS beat us by loads lol
[11:39] <diplo> Member since: 2008-03-26
[11:39] <diplo> Not so long
[11:40] <jussi> where do you see these dates?
[11:40] <MooDoo> on your launchpad page
[11:41] <MooDoo> jussi: https://launchpad.net/~paulmellors  member since
[11:41] <diddledan> 2005-12-05 here
[11:41] <jussi> ahh yes
[11:41] <jussi> 2006-11-24
[11:42] <jussi> lunchpad... we all love you...
[11:54] <SuperMatt> jussi: hey!
[11:54] <cocoa117> when a network device was set with IP address but no broadcast address does this mean, the kernel won't respond to any broadcast received on this particuular network dev?
[11:54] <SuperMatt> I stand by my statement
[11:54] <jussi> hehe
[11:54] <jussi> SuperMatt: I am in complete agreeance
[11:55] <jussi> btw, I shall be in the UK from 7-11th March
[11:57] <SuperMatt> jussi: you poor thing
[11:57] <jussi> SuperMatt: :D
[11:57] <SuperMatt> it's one thing to live here, another to subject yourself to it
[11:58] <jussi> SuperMatt: I shall enjoy the "real" fish and chips
[11:58] <ali1234> can i make apache log the pid in the log file?
[11:59] <SuperMatt> jussi: not if you spend most of your time in central london you won't
[11:59] <jussi> SuperMatt: I dont plan on visiting london.
[11:59] <SuperMatt> ah, that's ok then
[11:59] <jussi> I will spend most of my time in manchester/liverpool
[12:00] <SuperMatt> that's not quite so ok ;)
[12:04] <jussi> haha
[12:05] <jussi> I could be doing worse... I could end up in middlesborough... :P
[12:06] <MooDoo> manchester isn't that far from me, about an hour or so, when you coming jussi so I can make sure i'm in london ;)
[12:06] <jussi> (I went there once... the only place in the UK that I have been to that was worse was newport)
[12:06] <jussi> MooDoo: hahaha, read up, I mentioned earlier
[12:06] <DJones> jussi: Whereabouts in Liverpool?
[12:07] <jussi> DJones: some hotel on the docks at this point, although that may change...
[12:07] <MooDoo> jussi: I can't complain I'm from Nottingham, wear a flak jacket every day
[12:07] <jussi> DJones: dependent on whether they move the football match I was planning on attending or no...
[12:08] <DJones> Ah right, probably fairly close to where I am, I work up near Bootle docks
[12:11] <jussi> DJones: ahh ok. guess maybe a beer or so is in order then...
[12:11] <DJones> jussi: Possibly, have to see how things work out around then
[12:11] <jussi> :)
[12:25] <jussi> you know how we are moving to systemd.... I have a question...
[12:26] <jussi> When is debian/ubuntu planning then to move to rpm/yum? :D
[12:26]  * jussi laughs manically
[12:26] <SuperMatt> ¬.¬
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> once they fix how they do dependencies, I guess ;)
[12:27] <diddledan> good ol' government: http://grahamcluley.com/2014/02/passwords-leaked-live-tv-flood-emergency
[12:27] <SuperMatt> having said that, even fedora is moving away from yum to dnf
[12:27] <diddledan> dnf?
[12:28] <jussi> did not finish?
[12:28] <jussi> :P
[12:28] <diddledan> does not fit?
[12:28] <SuperMatt> diddledan: back on the govt thing: I can tell you many things about their password policy now
[12:28] <SuperMatt> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
[12:29] <SuperMatt> Must be 8 chars, must contain bother upper and lowercase
[12:29] <SuperMatt> cannot be the same as a previous password
[12:29] <SuperMatt> also: users suck
[12:29]  * jussi looks at SuperMatt and starts shaking his head with fingers in ears "DO NOT WANT TO KNOW HOW BAD IT IS"
[12:29] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I retired as a fedora mentor about 3 weeks ago!
[12:30] <SuperMatt> I'm actually going to have to learn the rhel way of doing things :(
[12:30] <SuperMatt> so much so, I've put centos on my laptop
[12:31]  * SuperMatt dies a little inside
[12:31] <jussi> SuperMatt: ouch
[12:31] <jussi> I tired suse once...
[12:31] <MooDoo> rhel isn't so bad really, I use it on a daily basis
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> let me guess, you got tired of it ;)
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: except when you need a modern piece of software. RHEL releases less often than Debian, doesn't it?
[12:32] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: depends on what you want, there are repos you can use for most stuff.
[12:32] <SuperMatt> if Rackspace supported ubuntu in dedicated, we could break up the teams in to rhel and ubuntu specialists
[12:32] <SuperMatt> I would happily volunteer for the ubuntu team
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: sure, but all I've heard is "We're not installing that, it's not in the official repos"
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> gee, thanks sysadmin..
[12:33] <SuperMatt> we support epel and ius
[12:33] <SuperMatt> nothing else
[12:33] <SuperMatt> (and the official ones, of course)
[12:33] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: well what in particular?  if it's not in the repos what would you need it for? unless you're doing something specidic
[12:33] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: playing devils advocate here :d
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it was some Oracle server, maintained by external sysadmins
[12:34] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: stupid computers :)
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: part of the problem was that we didn't really have a good way of communicating with them
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> and that every keystroke cost money
[12:34] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: time to move to windoze ;)
[12:35] <SuperMatt> /o\
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Nah, time to ditch Oracle ;)
[12:35] <SuperMatt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1900104_10153860996120721_1871978483_n.jpg
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: heh
[12:35] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: have you got a picture of your pod yet so we can all see where you're workin?
[12:36] <SuperMatt> not of my pod no
[12:36] <SuperMatt> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1900007_10153774367490464_1657044053_n.jpg
[12:36] <MooDoo> lol
[12:36] <MooDoo> new racker?
[12:36] <SuperMatt> yup
[12:36] <MooDoo> awesome
[12:36] <SuperMatt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/p526x296/1653903_10153784330310464_2097441953_n.jpg
[12:37] <SuperMatt> that was friday
[12:37] <MooDoo> awwww just for you? lol
[12:37] <jussi> I want candy
[12:37] <SuperMatt> not for me, for the team
[12:38] <diddledan> I need chocolate
[12:38] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: seems you get a lot of free time :d
[12:39] <SuperMatt> not really
[12:39] <SuperMatt> I've got a lot of training going on right now, and then next week I have to hit the ground running
[12:43] <foobarry> which flag did you put up? pokemon?
[12:47]  * MooDoo wonders if he could communite to manchester and get SuperMatt a signing bonus at the same time ;)
[12:52] <brobostigon> are the stats working properly, ?
[12:53] <SuperMatt> foobarry: I don't have one yet
[12:53] <MooDoo> brobostigon: seem to be I think
[12:53] <SuperMatt> I don't think you get them until you pass probabtion
[12:53] <SuperMatt> but I've requested a batman logo
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: how do you get 500 pikachu into a car?
[12:53] <MooDoo> brobostigon: tatistics generated on Monday 17 February 2014 - 12:48:27
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you poke'm on
[12:54] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: get out!
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: hmm? :)
[12:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: cool :)
[12:58] <brobostigon> i am glad its working correctly,
[13:03] <MooDoo> brobostigon: well actually it's flawed, It's saying I'm only the 19th most used nick, I could of sworn I was more vocal than that ;)
[13:04] <brobostigon> oh dear :(
[13:04] <MooDoo> lol
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: sssh!
[13:04] <MooDoo> yes sir
[13:05] <brobostigon> lol
[13:13] <foobarry> i have a work account for google so i can read calendars. but people are adding me on g+ how do i stop that?
[13:14] <foobarry> if i delete my google profile then youtube videos will be taken down
[13:15] <ali1234> tell them to stop adding you?
[13:15] <foobarry> thats hard
[13:15] <foobarry> g+ says "connect to foobarry "
[13:15] <ali1234> it's pretty easy
[13:15] <foobarry> it doesn't say which foobarry (work or not)
[13:16] <ali1234> just do a google+ post telling them to stop following you. problem solved.
[13:16] <foobarry> deleted my profile
[13:18] <jussi> foobarry: most people Ive seen just put a big profile pic with "dont connect to this account, I dont use it"
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> you can ask Google to merge your G+ accounts
[13:18] <foobarry> i think i chose the right option
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/transfer-google-plus-accounts/
[13:20] <popey> i have 4 G+ accounts :()
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^ that link might be helpful then :)
[13:22] <popey> dont think that helps. I need to have at least two of them active
[13:22] <popey> for hangouts on air for work and personal
[13:22] <popey> annoyingly
[13:23] <foobarry> this place is the only one in the known universe where they have patch ports that look like this http://ubuntuone.com/24TASqz19ymmgQu92lWpCt
[13:23] <foobarry> new ones put in :S
[13:23] <Dave2> popey: is that including the one with writing all over your face?
[13:24] <foobarry> it's easily solvable. google have a tick box that says "active" or "disable"
[13:24] <foobarry> diable g+
[13:24] <foobarry> or "allow people to add you"
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: sure but you could merge the other 2 into them
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: so you end up with 2 accounts instad of 4
[13:25] <popey> nope
[13:25] <popey> one is a shared account with my name on
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> First time I have ever come across this problem before. I use unetbootin to create the USB bootable drive. Am installing 12.04 LTS tomorrow and wanted to check it worked OK. Always failed with the same error: http://askubuntu.com/questions/127398/usb-drive-install-of-ubuntu-12-04-server-fails-cant-find-components-from-cd-r
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> However, ran this chaps perl script to rebuild the file names and hey presto. http://cirrus.ucsd.edu/~pierce/fix_ubuntu_usb/
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> 12.04 LTS *Server*.
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: have you tried just dd'ing the ISO to an USB Stick?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Ubuntu images are special now
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: directhex knows more :)
[13:34] <directhex> snuh?
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> directhex: oh the hybrid iso thing again
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've come across that problem before.
[13:39] <popey> i only ever dd images to usb now
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> I did my first pxe install this weekend. Those are nice & flexible! :)
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> still have the old thee-colour brown/yellow/orange logo too!
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.vercot.com/~serva/an/Imgs/UbuntuPXE-2010-06-20-13-41-50.png
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> (even when using the trusty image)
[13:42]  * knightwise switched wife to linux yesterday
[13:42] <knightwise> gave her 0 instructions :)
[13:43] <knightwise> wonder how she"'s gonna react
[13:43] <popey> hehe
[13:44] <knightwise> put elementary OS on her 24 inch iMac
[13:45] <jussi> elementary ....
[13:45] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[13:45] <knightwise> Yeah , it LOOKS like OSx , its pretty light and it runs on 12.04
[13:46] <knightwise> I could have also gone for 13.10 with CairoDock
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> why make it OSX-like though?
[13:47] <jussi> it makes the jump a little easier to take, no?
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> Isn't Ubuntu mac-ish enough by itself?
[13:48] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: yeah it is.
[13:49] <knightwise> to be honest I had installed 13.10 and it was working ok , but I had a keyboard issue
[13:49] <knightwise> so i thought maybe in 12.04 it would have been ok
[13:49] <knightwise> so i reinstalled
[13:49] <knightwise> turned out keyboard issue was apples fault
[13:49] <brobostigon> watch tbbt, and lunch, then tackle last nights washing up.
[13:49] <knightwise> apple keyboards send out the wrong keycode for their @ sign
[13:50] <knightwise> take a logitech keyboard with an apple keyboardlayout and it works perfectly
[13:50]  * knightwise hates cupertino sometimes
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: then stop buying their stuff
[13:50] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: why make it OSX like : because that is what my wife is used to and user experience is important
[13:51] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: haven't bought a new mac in a while now
[13:51] <foobarry> knightwise: elementary \o/
[13:52] <knightwise> foobarry: and its light and very efficient
[13:52] <foobarry> i know
[13:52] <brobostigon> elementary my dear watson.
[13:52] <foobarry> used it 10hrs a day for last year or 2
[13:52] <knightwise> well ,its simpler then xfce ...
[13:53] <knightwise> and to be honest it feels a lot more polished because of that.
[13:53] <knightwise> we are talking about a user that wants to USE her machine ,and does not enjoy tinkering with it (like we do)
[13:53] <foobarry> requires least amount of re-configuring/tweaking, and is simple/fast, and doesn't get in my way
[13:53]  * brobostigon is happy with standard gnome-shell.
[13:53] <foobarry> i meet few people who are
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: I don't need to tinker with Unity to use it.
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> which seems to be the point of it..
[13:54] <knightwise> brobostigon: gnome 3 ?
[13:54] <MooDoo> brobostigon: never got on with gnome2
[13:54] <brobostigon> knightwise: yes.
[13:54] <MooDoo> 3 even
[13:54] <popey> elementary does indeed look pretty
[13:54] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i like the workspace implementation,
[13:54] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: if you have somebody who just "switched" to linux , its important to give their UI some consistency
[13:55] <foobarry> question: what happens if your PC runs out of ram and you have no swap? does unity crash immediately?
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Unity is very consistent!
[13:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: you need to move to debian ;)
[13:55] <popey> foobarry: depends
[13:55] <popey> OOM Killer kills processes
[13:55] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i use debian unstable/sid with gnome3 already.
[13:55] <knightwise> MooDoo: I might give pure debian a go too soon
[13:55] <MooDoo> foobarry: i would say it goes so slow to give the appearance of it hanging coz it's swapping lots
[13:55] <brobostigon> MooDoo: with a splash of debian experimental.
[13:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: smarty pants.
[13:55] <popey> MooDoo: he said with no swap
[13:56] <foobarry> gala in elementary crashes immediately. i got shot down on g+ for saying this is a bug
[13:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[13:56] <knightwise> and it might sound boring .. but i'm an LTS kinda guy
[13:56] <popey> its not a bug
[13:56] <popey> its working as designed
[13:56] <foobarry> should handle OOM more gracefully
[13:56] <MooDoo> knightwise: me too
[13:56] <foobarry> other WMs seem to
[13:56] <popey> oom is out of your control
[13:56] <knightwise> because linux just has to WORK and i don't always need to have the cutting edge on my desktops
[13:56] <foobarry> not sure if OOM-killer got deployed
[13:56] <MooDoo> knightwise: LTS on the server and 14.04 LTS on my laptop
[13:56] <popey> kernel log will tell you
[13:57] <foobarry> i opened 1 tab too many and gala crashes, happened a few times near capacity RAM usage
[13:57] <foobarry> dmesg had nowt
[13:57] <knightwise> MooDoo: so soon ?
[13:57] <MooDoo> knightwise: yup, was feeling reckless :)
[13:57] <popey> why do you have no swap?
[13:57] <brobostigon> lts on one server, debian testing on the other.
[13:57] <foobarry> because i have 8gb ram
[13:58] <foobarry> and usually its not an issue
[13:58] <knightwise> Linux mint debian ed. on the server (rolling release) 13.10 on the laptop , all other machines : 12.04
[13:58] <knightwise> now i need to find a way to incorporate her Google Calendar into her workstation, that when she gets an ics link , it gets added to her calendar
[14:01] <foobarry> knightwise: i suspect that maya shows evolution calendars
[14:01] <foobarry> and evolution handles gmail cals right?
[14:01] <foobarry> or just add a chrome app and drag it to desktop
[14:02] <knightwise> can you do that ?
[14:02] <knightwise> i'll try the evolution thing.
[14:02] <knightwise> because otherwise she wont have an app that handles ics files
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Chrome can handle ICS files I think
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> especially if they're sent through gmail ;)
[14:11] <MooDoo> popey: planning uukpc season 7 or on a break for a few months?
[14:12] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: thats it , she gets her mail in outlook
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[14:13] <MooDoo> I don't like outlook 2013, it's really slow on my laptop
[14:16] <bashrc> as an email client Thunderbird is pretty good
[14:17] <bashrc> havn't used MS Outlook for a decade
[14:17] <knightwise> knightwise: sorry I meant THUNDEBIRD 8
[14:17] <knightwise> Thunderbird !
[14:17]  * knightwise is ashamed to say outlook
[14:17] <bashrc> thunderbird is go
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: no, it's C++
[14:20] <bashrc> well, nearly
[14:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> thunderbird and the lightning calendar work with ics and google calendar (CalDAV)
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> thunderbird and lightning, very very frightening?
[14:39] <foobarry> me
[14:40] <foobarry> there should be are easter egg in apt-get when you type sudo apt-get install thunderbird lightning
[14:40] <knightwise> does lightning do a two way sync with google calendar ?
[14:41] <MooDoo> knightwise: depends if you're in a field holding a laptop and golf club in the air during a storm ;)
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/using-lightning-google-calendar
[14:41] <knightwise> an easteregg like " sudo apt-get lightning" and you get an echo "veryvery frightening ?"
[14:42] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: thanx :)
[14:42] <knightwise> gonna have a go at it tonight.
[14:42] <knightwise> so far : wife been working on machine all day. no complaints.
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's rather old isn't MartijnVdS?
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just use CalDav to Google.
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: first hit on google ;)
[14:43] <knightwise> but i think she can manage , considerign THIS is her grandmother https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuForGrandma
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Works fine both ways
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Google is deprecating CalDav
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> No it isn't/
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> ah wait
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> They decided against it
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> they switched URLs, that's it
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep.
[14:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> They did announce a while ago they were going to drop it. But everyone shouted and they rescinded their decision surprisingly.
[15:00] <xalyy> Hello all!
[15:00] <xalyy> Can someone help me about editing the rules of proxmox?
[15:01] <xalyy> Someone? :(
[15:02] <MooDoo> !ask
[15:02] <xalyy> Okay :D
[15:02] <MooDoo> :D
[15:02] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/5527846587dc4149fd6416deab1969a5.png I want to edit this user settings
[15:02] <xalyy> To delete VM.Audit VM.Backup
[15:03] <xalyy> There is three type of commands pveum roleadd, pveum roledel and rolemod
[15:03] <xalyy> But not really sure how to use
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> May I recommend: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/how-to-Ask-Smart-Questions-172418841
[15:03] <MooDoo> xalyy: now i don't know about proxmox, but does this help - http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/8999-Proxmox-2-PVEVMUser-permissions
[15:04] <MooDoo> perhaps the forums is a good place to start as well.
[15:04] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: that's quite good :)
[15:05] <xalyy> Yeah I see but there is not so much information about thoose commands :S
[15:06] <xalyy> I wan't to edit the roles priviliges and not user
[15:06] <MooDoo> no idea from me then
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: doesn't the tool have documentation? Then you might have chosen the wrong tool.
[15:07] <xalyy> There wasn't any problems so far
[15:07] <xalyy> Its a good virtual enviroment
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> it can't be that good if it doesn't have docs ;)
[15:13] <brobostigon> 6:45pm, star trek 6 TUCm film4, :)
[15:21] <MooDoo> brobostigon: didn't really like that one
[15:22] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i prefferred voage home, but it was still a good story, classic iron curtain cold war story.
[15:22] <brobostigon> voyage home*
[15:22] <MooDoo> yeah, I think newest 2 have been the better ones so far, but first contact is still my fave
[15:23] <brobostigon> the newest two, the reboots, are modern actions films, not true star trek films in that sense.
[15:26] <MooDoo> get wesley back in it :D
[15:26] <brobostigon> :)
[15:26] <MooDoo> Great fan of Wil Wheaton :D
[15:27] <brobostigon> android user, :)
[15:27] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: you need a few of these ;) http://nickysnursery.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/carolina-reaper-one-of-the-worlds-hottest-chillies/
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got some growing already MooDoo :-D
[15:28] <brobostigon> :)
[15:28] <brobostigon> scowille rating ?
[15:28] <brobostigon> scoville*
[15:28] <MooDoo> 1,500,000
[15:28] <brobostigon> ouch
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> I wouldn't even go near that
[15:29] <brobostigon> sounds distinctly risky.
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> I'll stick to bell peppers ;)
[15:31] <brobostigon> :)
[16:42] <mapps> hey
[17:00] <mapps> man true detective was good
[17:01] <mapps> i want more eps!
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> mapps: I know an artist who is making one EP per month this year :)
[19:26] <xalyy> Hey, im back! :P
[19:27] <xalyy> Does anyone have any experience of vps host?
[19:27] <xalyy> What you think guys SSD or HDD is better for hosting purpose?
[19:29] <directhex> xalyy, both have their strong points
[19:29] <directhex> xalyy, but i wouldn't consider a VPS host using consumer-grade drives as competent, and probably wouldn't pay for enterprise SSDs for web/mail
[19:30] <xalyy> And what you think which is better for: 10 VPS under a dedicated server, a 2x 128GB SSD or 1TB HDD?
[19:30] <directhex> 2x128 configured how, and which devices exactly?
[19:31] <xalyy> What you mean?
[19:31] <directhex> not all SSDs are equal
[19:31] <xalyy> Well yeah
[19:31] <directhex> and how would you have those SSDs set up? e.g. RAID?
[19:31] <xalyy> I not know the manufactuer, the dedicated hosting does not wrote on his website :D
[19:31] <xalyy> I have to ask this
[19:32] <xalyy> RAID?
[19:32] <xalyy> Its not a security thing?
[19:33] <directhex> jesus really? pretty sure they teach about raid in basic computing qualifications in high school
[19:33] <xalyy> Ohh data redundancy and performance improvement
[19:33] <xalyy> Got it :D
[19:34] <xalyy> So both SSD and HDD need at least RAID 1?
[19:34] <directhex> IMHO yes
[19:34] <directhex> drives fail.
[19:34] <xalyy> How can I check the RAID of my current dedicated?
[19:34] <directhex> question is how your customers will feel if a drive fails and you have no way to get them going again
[19:34] <xalyy> Because having problems with the VPS's, I mean I started installing 2-3 VPS at a time and it slowwssss
[19:34] <directhex> um... lspci might indicate whether there's a hardware raid controller installed
[19:35] <xalyy> Okay
[19:35] <xalyy> Ty :D
[19:35] <xalyy> And
[19:35] <directhex> e.g.
[19:35] <directhex> root@handi:~# lspci | grep RAID
[19:35] <directhex> 04:00.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 9650SE SATA-II RAID PCIe (rev 01)
[19:36] <xalyy> But wait
[19:36] <xalyy> The lag is because of the HDD is not enough powerful?
[19:36] <xalyy> Or does not have raid?
[19:36] <directhex> i don't have enough data to answer you.
[19:36] <xalyy> What you need? :D
[19:37] <directhex> lspci | grep RAID
[19:37] <xalyy> Nothing
[19:38] <directhex> hm
[19:38] <directhex> pvdisplay?
[19:39] <ali1234> directhex: have you ever used cgroups in anger?
[19:39] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/42ca34b64c7f2e86306b08fe8c4c9dab.png
[19:39] <directhex> ali1234, no... i've used hardware cpusets on sgi altix though!
[19:39] <ali1234> it seems like it has the ability to limit the amount of physical memory used by a group
[19:39] <xalyy> I think its a toshiba 1tb HDD
[19:39] <directhex> xalyy, that's a single drive, then. no redundancy, no failure recovery
[19:40] <xalyy> So?
[19:41] <directhex> xalyy, well, if the drive goes wrong then your server and every VPS is gone forever, unless you have a decent backup solution in place
[19:41] <directhex> xalyy, and one spinning disk isn't very fast, for I/O intensive stuff
[19:41] <xalyy> Wait but this disk runs atleast 7200 RPM nah?
[19:42] <directhex> xalyy, look at it this way, if you have 10 VPS then you have 1/10 of that disk available per VPS, if they're all busy
[19:42] <xalyy> Ohh
[19:42] <xalyy> And what is the solution? :S
[19:43] <xalyy> RAID?
[19:49] <directhex> RAID won't speed up writes. it'll speed up reads, though
[19:50] <xalyy> So
[19:50] <xalyy> What do I have to do, to get all good :D
[19:51] <xalyy> I mean hosting 10 VPS what is the requirements?
[19:51] <directhex> well, it all depends on your expectations
[19:52] <directhex> what you have right now is a single bit of spinning rust. it's fine as long as you don't have any IO-heavy requirements - fine for email, fine for web hosting, fine for IRC
[19:52] <xalyy> Well I said I have now 3 running and if I start 2 more install then thoose two installs really slowly
[19:52] <directhex> crap for compiling software
[19:52] <directhex> well, installing is pretty IO heavy
[19:53] <directhex> try installing/running iotop on the host. it's a console-based disk usage monitor
[19:54] <xalyy> apt-get install iotop? :D
[19:55] <directhex> actually, let's try iostat
[19:55] <directhex> run "iostat 5" on the host. every 5 seconds it'll refresh a view of disk activity on all your disks
[19:55] <directhex> the first column is disk name, then "tps" is "transactions per second" (i.e. individual IO operations), which will be max 100 on one 7200rpm disk
[19:56] <shauno> if I knew what was good for me I'd keep quiet, but I gotta point out that if you're io-bound installing 2 or 3 instances, you may not have happy customers at 10+ instances
[19:56] <xalyy> Wait
[19:56] <xalyy> How do I run that?
[19:56] <directhex> "iostat 5"
[19:57] <xalyy> -bash: iostat: command not found
[19:58] <directhex> sysstat package.
[19:59] <xalyy> Exactly what does this do?
[19:59] <xalyy> the iOSstat
[20:00] <directhex> it just extracts a snapshot of current & historic IO usage from the kernel, in an easy to read form
[20:02] <xalyy> Okay, sorry for the silly questions, I am doing this the first time I not counted about HDD problems when I opened my host, I wanted to provide cheap and reliable VPS for poor people :S
[20:03] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/2adddf3151998f4ff57848756faca877.png
[20:03] <xalyy> What is the diagnosis?
[20:06] <directhex> yeah, so the tps column, like i said, is the important one
[20:06] <directhex> and your limit is about 100, give or take, with your arrangement
[20:07] <directhex> each of the dm-X entries is the virtual disk from a VPS
[20:07] <directhex> so you can see that post-install, the VPSes are quiet. but during install, one VPS can max out the disk, making the server slow for everyone else
[20:08] <xalyy> But wait
[20:08] <xalyy> Its now 63% load?
[20:08] <xalyy> And 100% is max?
[20:08] <directhex> although note it says 82% idle as well
[20:09] <directhex> balancing IO is complicated
[20:09] <xalyy> Is it possible that I made wrong the VPS's?
[20:09] <directhex> keep that window open whilst installing another VPS.
[20:09] <xalyy> I used IDE
[20:09] <xalyy> I mean
[20:09] <xalyy> if I use IDE and my host HDD is SATA
[20:09] <xalyy> then its bad?
[20:11] <directhex> you didn't use IDE.
[20:11] <directhex> well
[20:11] <directhex> you may have done on the virtual disks, but that's largely irrelevant
[20:11] <directhex> you could probably have gotten some speed improvement by using virtio for the virtual disk, though
[20:11] <xalyy> By the way I am using Proxmox for VE
[20:12] <xalyy> Ok
[20:12] <xalyy> And what you say windows server 2012 or 2008 is better for 1 Core 2GB ram VPS's?
[20:12] <xalyy> Not really sure you are a windows master :D
[20:17] <directhex> i know nothing about windows server.
[20:17] <shauno> eh, either comes with 'core' flavours.  but windows licences are going to eat into your 'cheap'
[20:17] <directhex> i think physically you will still be constrained by trying to chop one server into eleven servers & expecting no bottlenecks
[20:18] <xalyy> Ok
[20:18] <xalyy> And what about IP's
[20:18] <xalyy> How can I assign unique IP for every VPS?
[20:19] <xalyy> Because I got the same IP for every VPS
[20:19] <xalyy> The hosts ip
[20:19] <shauno> your provider is going to have to give you a bunch of IPs.  at the moment they're all sharing one, and one's all you have to share
[20:20] <xalyy> Umm, IPv6 is good?
[20:20] <directhex> IPv6 is fine, but most people can't talk IPv6 yet
[20:21] <shauno> it's a plus, but the market for people that'll take v6 alone is very, very small
[20:21] <xalyy> So its good or not :D
[20:21] <directhex> e.g. no major UK ISP is setting up IPv6-capable equipment for its customers, so anyone wanting to access a 6-only server needs to configure their computer to do it
[20:21] <xalyy> My dedicated not have enabled DHCP so probably better than ipv4?
[20:21] <shauno> xalyy, do you have v6 at home?
[20:22] <xalyy> ipv4
[20:22] <shauno> so if you were one of your own customers, you wouldn't be able to reach a v6-only vps either?
[20:22] <xalyy> Ohh :D
[20:22] <xalyy> Ok
[20:22] <directhex> you can't talk to a v6-only server from a v4-only client, unless you reconfigure your computer to use a tunnel
[20:22] <xalyy> Just asking because 11 IPv4 is 5.5$ cost
[20:22] <directhex> also, try http://test-ipv6.com/ in a browser
[20:22] <xalyy> And 60 ipv6 is the same price
[20:23] <xalyy> Ok I go with ipv4
[20:23] <xalyy> But how to set up the IP's when I got it?
[20:23] <xalyy> Exactly what I have to do?
[20:23] <xalyy> I have to do something in proxmox?
[20:24] <directhex> i have no idea about proxmox
[20:24] <xalyy> Ok
[20:25] <xalyy> Disk image format? Which is the fastest? QEMU, Vmware or RAW DISK
[20:25] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/542f24441f4470648fcfc6c0a5723e6b.png
[20:26] <directhex> there's not much in it.
[20:26] <directhex> i use raw, personally
[20:27] <xalyy> But no differencies between them?
[20:27] <xalyy> So its not matter
[20:29] <neuro> ok, it is officially cold
[20:30] <neuro> i am not liking col
[20:30] <neuro> d
[20:31] <neuro> i'm still trying to figure out why tesco send me two copies of an order confirmation
[20:32] <shauno> this isn't cold :p
[20:32] <neuro> tell that to my hands
[20:32] <shauno> hands: this ain't cold
[20:32] <neuro> they don't believe you
[20:33] <ali1234> how do i configure my server for ipv6?
[20:33] <xalyy> Ok
[20:33] <neuro> with care :)
[20:34] <shauno> same way as v6, really.  a smattering of knowledge of how your provider is providing it
[20:34] <shauno> er, as v4, rather
[20:34] <ali1234> i have an inet6 addr but it says Scope:Link
[20:34] <ali1234> the provider claims to support ipv6
[20:34] <ali1234> the server is running ubuntu precise
[20:35] <neuro> you still need the gateway, subnet, etc
[20:35] <shauno> yeah, you'll have an fe80..something address just for having it available in the kernel
[20:35] <ali1234> so, where do i even start?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: didn't you just buy an ASUS router? http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/dear-asus-router-user-youve-been-pwned-thanks-to-easily-exploited-flaw/
[20:35]  * neuro still finds it amusing to set a IP address to ..::dead:beef
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ::babe:face
[20:36] <neuro> ali1234: getting the details your le hosting types would be a good start
[20:36] <shauno> I find it amusing to have proper reverse-dns for everything in the house
[20:36] <neuro> shauno: pain in the bum though
[20:37] <neuro> f.3.a.5.1.6.a.5.6.a.b.1.5.9.6.c.1.6.d.1.5.aaaaargh
[20:37] <shauno> ipv6calc --out revnibbles.arpa 2001:db8::1
[20:38] <neuro> what the deuce ...
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> ipv6calc++
[20:38] <shauno> if you're doing it by hand, you should have a sadface
[20:39] <neuro> i do have a sadface
[20:40] <xalyy> Whats this? http://gyazo.com/b0b2690984e3a9085b75bfa5f4332449.png
[20:40] <neuro> omg that's awesome
[20:40] <neuro> that's stupidly awesome
[20:40] <shauno> +1 for learning, -10 for repetition
[20:40] <neuro> WHY HAVE I BEEN DOING THIS BY HAND
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: that's a dropdown box where you can select the RAID controller the virtual machine sees
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: keep it on virtio unless you know what you're doing (still not reading the docs, are you?)
[20:41] <neuro> xalyy: it's a PNG image file, a newer image format which is better than GIF
[20:41] <xalyy> :DD
[20:41] <xalyy> Docs docs. But it not helps me to decide which is better for host :S or am I wrong Marin?
[20:41] <xalyy> Martin*
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: Sure it does.
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: Docs describe how a piece of software works. If you can't understand them, it might not be for you ;)
[20:42] <neuro> hehe
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> Or, you might need to learn a bit about the underlying concepts first :)
[20:42] <neuro> what are we doing, anyway?
[20:42] <xalyy> Could you help me to choose? Its night :D
[20:42]  * neuro reads back
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: read back several days then ;)
[20:43] <neuro> vps config?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I think so
[20:43] <neuro> when i buy from joe random vm provider, i usually just stick with their default configs
[20:43] <shauno> commercial-vps-provider through the eyes of someone who has ... good intentions
[20:44] <xalyy> So Im on the Hard disk phrase VIRTIO format QEMU Cache Default
[20:44] <neuro> i must admit, i'm loving the crap out of ec2 at the moment
[20:44] <xalyy> Good?
[20:45] <shauno> I don't really have scalable loads, so ec2 isn't cost-effective
[20:45] <neuro> the new python based aws tools are epic
[20:45] <neuro> way way better (and faster) than the old java ones
[20:45] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/e1a61318be3231e0c6c5af0276e51379.png anything I have to change here?
[20:45] <neuro> wait, we're configuring a windows vm?
[20:45] <neuro> in an ubuntu channel?
[20:45] <neuro> okaaaaay ...
[20:45] <xalyy> Yess :D!
[20:46] <shauno> a windows guest in a .. something else host
[20:46] <neuro> eeshk
[20:46] <neuro> and i get shouted at for talking about macs in here ... ;)
[20:46] <xalyy> Why, the host is still ubuntu, or not? :P
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: isn't there an IRC channel for that VM management tool you're using?
[20:47] <neuro> i have to manage a few win2k3/win2k8 hosts in ec2 for work
[20:47] <xalyy> Yes there is but everybody sleeping all the day
[20:47] <neuro> it's a right pain
[20:47] <neuro> hate it hate it hate it
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> with people who, you know, actually know how it works?
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> We're guessing just as much as you are
[20:47] <xalyy> I keep saying all day Hello HELLO IS Somebudy hereeeee? And no response
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: did you read the "smart questions" link earlier today?
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: because that might work on them
[20:48] <ali1234> probably not though
[20:48] <neuro> smart questions don't work on me
[20:48] <ali1234> most irc channels are dead
[20:48] <neuro> because i'm not smart
[20:48] <neuro> duh
[20:48] <neuro> IRC IS TEH DEDZOR?!
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Neuro Gump?
[20:48] <ali1234> there's usually about one active person for every 20-30 idlers
[20:48] <neuro> MartijnVdS: VMs are like a box of chocolates
[20:48] <neuro> if you run them too hard, they'll melt
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Run Neuro, Run!
[20:48] <xalyy> So
[20:49] <neuro> *cue inspiring Alan Silvestri score*
[20:49] <ali1234> i have no idea why so many people feel the need to idle on channels and then never ever speak
[20:49] <xalyy> Can we get back to business guys? :)
[20:49] <neuro> ali1234: because it's good netiquette
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> *cue video of Neuro running*
[20:49] <neuro> lurk before engaging
[20:49] <ali1234> no
[20:49] <neuro> MartijnVdS: that would be an AWFUL video
[20:49] <neuro> and very short too
[20:49] <ali1234> that's usenet
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> neuro: sure but if the channel is *always* silent, lurking doesn't help
[20:49] <neuro> like 15 seconds of running, 5 minutes of wheezing and coughing, and 2 minutes of marlboro smoking
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> it's the same here though
[20:49] <ali1234> on irc you practically have to troll people to even get a "hello"
[20:50] <xalyy> But why is that a problem if I set up a windows vm on ubuntu? :(
[20:50] <neuro> i'm not saying it's a problem
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: there is no problem (make sure you have all the licenses), but we don't have much (if any) experience
[20:50] <neuro> but i'm not sure ... yeah, that
[20:50] <xalyy> You mean no hosting experience?
[20:51] <neuro> how many people in a channel of Ubuntu users do you really expect to have solid experience with win2k8
[20:51] <neuro> i'm not saying it's impossible
[20:51] <neuro> but it's unlikely
[20:51] <xalyy> But I tried to search something on the internet like How to start a VPS business or something but not found exact guides or tutorials...
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: I have plenty of hosting experience, just not of Windows VMs, and also, it will take so long to explain that I'd rather not bother on IRC
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: I learned it from the docs + trying
[20:52] <shauno> or people with windows-server experience that aren't so traumatized by it that they're willing to do it for kicks & giggles at home/spare time too
[20:52] <neuro> step 1 in starting a VPS business: learn how to build and manage vps hosts
[20:52] <neuro> gotta walk before you can run
[20:52] <neuro> RUN, NEURO, RUN ... *shakes fist at MartijnVdS*
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[20:53] <xalyy> Okay
[20:53] <shauno> isn't it "skate silly fast" for Martijn this week?  or is he the only dutchie left that didn't take a medal for it =x
[20:53] <neuro> you should look into scaleable ways to create and start VMs on a host
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Several more to come ;)
[20:53] <neuro> i'm pretty sure a GUI or web interface is not scaleable for a business
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> shauno: tomorrow & wednesday
[20:54] <xalyy> You know what? I set up a time counter and count how many times does need 1 VPS to install with VIRTIO and VIRTIO SCSI then with SATA and VIRTIO SCSI then with SATA AND DEFAULT SCSI
[20:54] <xalyy> Then with two VPS with same
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: be sure to install the right virtio drivers in windows
[20:54] <shauno> oh I don't doubt it.  I accidentally caught some on tv yesterday.  the ladies' 1500m.  russia managed to take 5th place, because there was only 4 dutchies
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that race was great :)
[20:54] <ali1234> i've been watching the curling
[20:55] <ali1234> USA really sucks at curling, lol
[20:55] <neuro> ha yeah
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: UK was half/half as well
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> against Norway
[20:55] <shauno> I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to most of it, but I was in a hotel the last few days, and the olympics is just as watchable in any language
[20:55] <neuro> curling = teh awesome
[20:55] <neuro> also, eve muirhead
[20:56] <ali1234> over all we are doing okay
[20:56] <neuro> i forgot to watch the snowboard cross tho
[20:59] <dutchie> only 4 whats
[21:00] <shauno> lol, sorry, forgot about you
[21:00] <dutchie> :'(
[21:01] <xalyy> Exactly
[21:01] <xalyy> What TPS means?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: In which context?
[21:02] <neuro> new cover sheet?
[21:02] <xalyy> iOSstat 5
[21:02] <neuro> did you get the memo?
[21:02] <xalyy> directhex said
[21:02] <xalyy> this is the command to check the HDD
[21:03] <neuro> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iostat+tps
[21:03] <xalyy> Easy :P
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: "man iostat" will also tell you all about it
[21:05] <xalyy> Ty mah man
[21:05] <ali1234> http://wheeldesign.blogspot.se/2014/02/monday-report-3.html
[21:05] <ali1234> i like how they are defining the design
[21:05] <ali1234> but there's a problem with the way they've defined transparency
[21:05] <neuro> that's purty
[21:06] <ali1234> namely they've used multiply transparency, when nearly all toolkits use additive transparency
[21:06] <ali1234> multiply looks better of course, but is far more computationally expensive
[21:06] <neuro> but cpu is teh cheap :)
[21:06] <ali1234> it's done on the GPU...
[21:07] <neuro> but gpu is teh cheap :D
[21:07] <ali1234> i don't think GPUs can do this type of transparency in hardware without a custom shader
[21:07] <neuro> i admit though that i think kde is a hot mess
[21:07] <neuro> so they'd need to knock something out that's pretty amazing to impress me
[21:07] <ali1234> it is at the moment definitely
[21:07] <ali1234> yeah
[21:08] <neuro> then again, no UNIX DE really impresses me other than OS X
[21:08] <neuro> which is a shame
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> neuro: Now you're just hating on twm
[21:08] <neuro> true, i am
[21:08] <neuro> hey, i grew up with openlook :)
[21:08] <ali1234> i'd settle for something that doesn't try too hard
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ah, so it's a deep-rooted hatred :)
[21:09] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:09] <neuro> not hatred :)
[21:09] <neuro> evenin
[21:09] <ali1234> there is nothing worse than software that doesn't know it's own strengths and weaknesses
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> neuro: disappointment?
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: did you see that link I sent you earlier?
[21:09] <neuro> MartijnVdS: wistful yearning
[21:09] <ali1234> KDE is probably the worst at doing that too
[21:10] <neuro> agreed
[21:10] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: not sure what was it about?
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/dear-asus-router-user-youve-been-pwned-thanks-to-easily-exploited-flaw/
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ASUS routers
[21:10] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh brilliant lol
[21:10]  * neuro hugs his pfsense router running in an ESXi VM
[21:11]  * MartijnVdS hugs his TP-Link TL-WDR4300 with OpenWRT ;)
[21:11] <MooDoo> just checking it out
[21:13] <neuro> wow, my stomach just made the most unbelievable grumbly noise at me
[21:13] <neuro> i haven't eaten today
[21:13] <neuro> i really should
[21:13] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ah new firmware upgrade
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> Synology owners: also upgrade *now* (I got an email from them today saying that older firmwares have remotely exploitable holes)
[21:15] <shauno> neuro: didn't you come with a manual?  I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in the maintenance cycle
[21:15] <neuro> tch, who reads the manual?!
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> \o
[21:16] <neuro> apart from you
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> but only after it breaks
[21:16] <shauno> I read the manual if I buy something in the real world.  it makes the ride home with a new toy you can't use yet a little more interesting
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> that doesn't work on the *drive* home though
[21:17] <neuro> when i bought my new telly, i made sure to read the wee leaflet thingy to make sure i put the stand on correctly
[21:17] <neuro> but after that, random button pushing ahoy!
[21:17] <shauno> drive home?  I'm european :p
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> neuro: http://imgur.com/LMPFfcs
[21:18] <neuro> DEXTER \o/
[21:18] <neuro> DEE DEE NOOOOOOOOO!
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: so am I.. but they've been steadily dropping the number of bus lines in my town
[21:19] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I'm ok
[21:19] <neuro> good, because buses SUCK
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: \o/
[21:19] <shauno> I've been having this problem with sundays.  thanks to my work schedule, I never know what day it is until I realise it's been 40 minutes and still no bus
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> neuro: Buses are on time more often than trains
[21:20] <neuro> trains suck even more!
[21:20] <neuro> shauno: hehe
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> neuro: buses are way cheaper than parking
[21:20] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: it only affected routers of people who attached usb drives to it and had left the FTP option enabled as it was at default.
[21:20] <shauno> I gotta say, .cz/.sk, public transport is amazing
[21:20] <neuro> you need one of those bus app thingies
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> (in Amsterdam)
[21:20] <neuro> MartijnVdS: depends where you park
[21:20] <neuro> ah right
[21:20] <neuro> yeah amsterdam does suck for cars
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Ah, well.. it's good to make sure you're not vulnerable ;)
[21:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/526942
[21:21] <neuro> right, i needs teh fods
[21:21] <shauno> bratislava to budapest by train, e17.50 return
[21:21] <neuro> teh noms have got me
[21:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: makes me think now though lol
[21:21] <neuro> HOW MUCH
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> €17,50. About £17,50 in your moeny
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> money*
[21:22]  * neuro larts MartijnVdS
[21:22] <shauno> I think it's about 15gbp atm
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sure. but you pay a conversion fee ;)
[21:22] <neuro> i was expressing surprise at the cheapness, not requesting an exchange rate calculation :)
[21:22] <neuro> costs about 12 quid to get from here to edinburgh
[21:22] <shauno> bratislava to vienna was about 15eur too, but that got my a day-pass on vienna's public transport too
[21:23] <neuro> so glad i work from home
[21:23] <neuro> anyway
[21:23] <neuro> noms
[21:23] <neuro> tootles
[21:23] <shauno> although I did find funny, the same trip is much more expensive the other way around.  exactly the same train costs much more if you buy in vienna
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: same reason why shipping stuff to china is expensive, but getting stuff from china costs next to nothing (except for customs/vat/etc.)
[21:25] <shauno> but even the bus/tram/trolly are decent.  I really like the thing of buying the ticket at the stop instead of from the driver.  they're quite militant about stopping for 15-20 seconds and then leaving
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> sounds like Frankfurt
[21:38] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: OMG the amount of people that have the problem with the asus, you can just FTP to their drives and see all their contents :S
[21:43] <MooDoo> thanks to MartijnVdS any one else use Asus routers here?
[21:45] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: thanks - http://www.paulmellors.net/asus-routers/
[21:49] <diddledan> MooDoo: <ipaddress> is not html-escaped :-)
[21:50] <diddledan> it reads: "type ftp:// and see if you can see your files"
[21:52] <MooDoo> diddledan: I just mean just replace that with your IP :p
[21:53] <MooDoo> it's still amazing
[21:53] <diddledan> MooDoo: yeah but it's invalid html
[21:53] <diddledan> MooDoo: <ipaddress> is treated as a tag and therefore not shown
[21:53] <MooDoo> ah get you
[21:54] <shauno> did I just see sensible input from diddledan?  o_O
[21:55] <MooDoo> diddledan: ok thanks
[21:55] <MooDoo> diddledan: changed, but wow, lots of content out there on unpatched routers :S
[22:54] <Laney> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299243643562580&set=a.163391843814428.38199.163388563814756&type=1&theater
[22:55] <bigcalm> What the heck?
[23:00] <Laney> :D
[23:46] <popey> haha
[23:46] <popey> thats brilliant