[00:00] <Feebz> @k1l thanks using Gallium 0.4 Gallium 0.4 on ATI R430
[00:00] <TJ-> epsilonorion: That's if the interface is "auto" of course. If it is "iface ethX inet dhcp" then "dhclient ethX" is started... which as you've seen sends DHCPREQ packets with progressively longer timeouts if the DHCP server doesn't respond, which causes the "starting networking " phase to hang around for up to 3 minutes if no response is received.
[00:01] <sazawal> I am trying to install sbagen on Ubuntu 13.10 64-bit. I am getting errors while running ./mk as told in the documentation.
[00:01] <epsilonorion> TJ-: thats not a problem.  Okay, so that lines up with what I have been observing.  I am just trying to find a way to make it more reasonable.  I have decreased the timeout, but now I never seem to connect to the more complicated router using wpa2 enterprise (with setup http://pastebin.com/Rf9AQqQy)
[00:01] <Feebz> @k1l so there's nothing to uninstall ?
[00:02] <TJ-> epsilonorion: Is it because wpa_supplicant takes so long?
[00:02] <Medo> Hello :0
[00:02] <ellipsis> Hello. I'm trying to write a script to restore a folder with rsync (as the folder may already have some of the files). The original folder was made with -az (archive and compress) as well as --link-dest (hardlink files which are the same). Am I correct in thinking that I just use -az to restore? (Hardlinked files can be ignored as they will just be treated as normal files right?)
[00:03] <Feebz> @k1l or do I uninstall the legacy xorg stuff
[00:03] <sazawal> I am trying to install sbagen on Ubuntu 13.10 64-bit. I am getting errors while running ./mk as told in the documentation. Here is the error log http://pastebin.com/Xgn30svY
[00:03] <epsilonorion> TJ-: I believe so
[00:03] <ellipsis> (Sorry, I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask. But hardlinks should be treated just like files shouldn't they?
[00:03] <epsilonorion> TJ-: But I am not familiar with wpa_supplicant enough at the moment to make it more efficient (if it is even possible)
[00:04] <skinux> Is 'sed' still a good tool for sending inline arguments (used in shell scripts)?
[00:04] <Medo> guys i did all what you told me here to recover my encrypted home folder and it didnt work :\
[00:05] <xangua> Medo: how did you encrypted it¿ what's wrong'
[00:05] <skinux> Is there a RAM monitor GUI?
[00:05] <epsilonorion> TJ-: In Ubuntu Desktop I don't have a problem with it, but with Ubuntu Server I am still learning the best way to handle it
[00:05] <xangua> skinux: you mean like an indicator¿ http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[00:05] <b0ink_devx_> Hello all, would anyone be able to help me with my repositories not updating in ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[00:06] <TJ-> epsilonorion: I've got a USB stick for recovery work that has wpa_supplicant configured, when I've finished what I'm doing I'll grab the config from it. It might help you as a template
[00:06] <Medo> xangua: its encrypted due to system crash and im not able to login to my system anymore then i got the 12.04 LTS on usb and using live mode i try to decrypt it but i failed to do that
[00:06] <zilly> Where can I download /usr/share/checkbox/ source code that comes with Ubuntu? Specifically, I am looking for the /usr/share/checkbox/scripts/create_connection script.
[00:06] <b0ink_devx_> im getting this error message:  A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com precise Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 16126D3A3E5C1192 Ubuntu Extras Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[00:06] <b0ink_devx_> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/Release
[00:06] <b0ink_devx_> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[00:07] <xangua> !gpgerr | b0ink_devx_
[00:07] <callipygous> Anybody able to help me with my issue?  I'm trying to connect Tuner Studio to my cars ECU, but there is a problem with it creating /var/lock/ files...
[00:07] <epsilonorion> TJ-: thanks
[00:08] <Rexter> I've got a broadcom bcm5702x wireless card. I can't figure out how to get it working.
[00:08] <TJ-> skinkitten: glitsj16: Build done, files being uploaded so you can test
[00:09] <Medo> xangua:  any help !!
[00:09] <b0ink_devx_> thank you ubottu
[00:09] <b0ink_devx_> i will try that
[00:09] <TJ-> Rexter Nor can Broadcom, when it comes to Linux, often! They're not great with their Linux support
[00:11] <Rexter> TJ; I've had it working before. I did an OS change to lubuntu 12.04, and just can't remember.
[00:11] <skinux> System Load Indicator may be what I'm looking for. I'm checking it out, thanks.
[00:11] <TJ-> Rexter: Was it a case of having to build/install some out-of-tree driver?
[00:12] <Rhombix> hey, is there a room specific to ubuntu installations?
[00:12] <Rexter> TJ; yea, just a matter of installing the right thing in the right order.
[00:13] <Rexter> TJ; the thing that's confusing me, I search, but everything people point to is about the BCM43
[00:14] <glitsj16> TJ-: awesome, skinkitten said he'd return shortly .. are you uploading to your Development projects PPA ?
[00:14] <Konata> Just curious, is anyone having issues with the us ubuntu repos?
[00:15] <n-iCe> not m
[00:15] <n-iCe> me
[00:15] <n-iCe> us
[00:15] <Konata> Ah
[00:15] <Konata> Well that was strange, I just downloaded updates and the speed at one point was basically 1,022 bytes per second
[00:16] <Rhombix> after trying to install ubuntu on an external hard drive, i seem to have messed up at the partition stage. now the hard drive will not be read whatsoever, even if i unplug and reconnect
[00:18] <TJ-> glitsj16: Yes... and I've uploaded all the local-built packages to my server
[00:18] <no_name> I'm running 12.04 w/ NVIDIA drivers and when I run chrome X11 tunnelled via SSH, the first time I run it on my remote machine, the local widgets are all just clips of local video memory garbage.  Later times I run it, it is fine.  If I try it from a windows machine with xming, I don't have this problem.  If I run firefox first I don't have the problem. any ideas?
[00:18] <Rexter> Rhombix; you cannot ruin an HD by partitioning in incorrectly, just do it again.
[00:18] <Bashing-om> Konata: No problem -> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com ->1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. HIH .
[00:18] <Konata> Bashing-om, wasn't a problem with installing the updates
[00:19] <Konata> it was a problem with retrieving the updates
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Konata: (1,896 kB/s) mine .
[00:20] <Konata> heh
[00:20] <Rhombix> Rexter: that is simple enough, but nothing i can do will display the drive, so i cannot access it enough to make those changes
[00:20] <Konata> mine went to like 1000 bytes/sec and then up to 500Kb/s at its peak
[00:21] <Medo> Jordan_U: i did every thing u said and it didnt work
[00:21] <Rexter> Rhombix; is it USB?
[00:21] <TJ-> Rhombix: How is the drive connected? eSATA, USB2, USB3, SCSI?
[00:22] <TJ-> Rhombix: unplug it, then in a terminal do "sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log" then watch the kernel messages whilst you reconnect the device. Press Ctrl+C when the messages stop (if any), then pastebin the results for us to see
[00:22] <n-iCe> hi
[00:22] <Rhombix> Rexter, TJ-: yes, it is connected via USB
[00:22] <Medo> hi
[00:22] <Rhombix> Rexter: ok
[00:23] <Rexter> What OS are you running primary?
[00:23] <Rubas> Debian
[00:23] <Rubas> Now I feel that question was not aimed at me
[00:23] <glitsj16> TJ-: i'll wait for them to show in Dev projects, thanks again
[00:24] <Rubas> Goodnight, sleep well - when you get there :)
[00:24] <Rexter> Rhombix; what OS are you running primary?
[00:25] <TJ-> glitsj16: In case I've gone and the buildders are slow, you can point skinkitten to https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/gutenprint/
[00:26] <MacGuges> If I suspect that Ubuntu's initrd may be corrupt, is it possible to repair it?
[00:26] <Rhombix> Rexter: well i've just got a new computer after a hectic year moving around, and i'm in the middle of installing ubuntu 12.04 on it
[00:26] <glitsj16> TJ-: will do, I don't have to work tomorrow so I'll be around for skinkitten, or make a forum post he should get a hold off
[00:27] <Shurpu> hi everyone, we're two newbs looking for help as we try to install Ubuntu on an old laptop. I booted with an usb-stick but the screen resolution is way too low (600 x 400 maybe) so we can't even click on "Install" in the GUI or such. I tried to change resolution with xrandr (I've found it by Googling my problem) but it don't work. Who can help us please? Thank you.
[00:27] <callipygous> but it runs in to problems with /var/lock/USB...
[00:27] <callipygous> Anybody able to help me with my issue?  I'm trying to connect Tuner Studio to my cars ECU, but there is a problem with it creating /var/lock/ files...
[00:28] <Rexter> Rhombix; but why install to a USB drive, give me a little more info about this computer.
[00:28] <TJ-> Shurpu: You may do better with the alternate or server ISO installer, which is text-based
[00:28] <Rhombix> Rexter: just realised, there will be a problem. the paste you want me to get is from the computer, but i am here on irc via a smartphone
[00:29] <Shurpu> TJ- : ok I've never did it before I try googling it, thanks...
[00:30] <Rexter> Rhombix; why are you installing to an external usb drive?
[00:30] <Rexter> Shurpu; what are the system specs?
[00:31] <Rhombix> Rexter: no special reason, just that i have several external drives and i'll be looking at other distros before settling on a permanent OS
[00:32] <junknown> Hello! I'm having major graphics issues. I can't get nvidia gtx 780 working. Nouvea works fine but when I install the latest driver with edgers/ppa and restart it goes into low graphics mode. It looks like it can't find a display or something
[00:32] <Shurpu> Rexter : msi U180
[00:32] <Shurpu> Intel Atom N2600
[00:32] <Shurpu> 1 GB RAM
[00:32] <Shurpu> RF: 802.11b/g/n
[00:32] <junknown> I can't find a how to on getting it to work and it seems noone has this exact problem
[00:35] <Rhombix> Rexter: after running the command you sent me, the output contains the message 'hub 2-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[00:35] <TJ-> junknown: Have you checked "/var/log/kern.log" and "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for clues?
[00:35] <TJ-> Rhombix: Does the external drive have its own power source?
[00:36] <Rhombix> TJ-: no
[00:36] <Rexter> Rhombix, you're drunk. I didn't send you any commands. I only asked questions.
[00:36] <Rexter> Shurpu; graphics?
[00:37] <Rhombix> Rexter: i meant, the line you asked me to run. sorry.
[00:37] <Rexter> Rhombix, I did no such thing.
[00:38] <Shurpu> Rexter: 10" WSVGA
[00:38] <TJ-> Rhombix: Most external drives need their own power source, because the theoretical 0.5A per port a hub is supposed to provide often isn't there, and isn't sufficient
[00:38] <Rhombix> Rexter: my mistake, it was TJ- who said it. again, sorry.
[00:39] <Rexter> Shurpu, I meant do you know the graphics chipset?
[00:40] <Shurpu> Rexter : unfortunately not, sorry, this is a shitty laptop from a friend
[00:40] <Rexter> Shurpu; what OS are you trying to put on it?
[00:40] <junknown> TJ-: towards the end of Xorg.0.log >>> Screen (s) found, but none have a usable configuration.  Fatal server error: no screens found
[00:40] <Shurpu> Rexter: Ubuntu Saucy
[00:41] <TJ-> junknown: Examine the entire log-file in more detail, you're sure to find clues
[00:41] <Rexter> Shurpu; main edition with Unity?
[00:42] <Shurpu> Rexter : yes. I'd like to remind we're both really really newb, we try to learn by searching online but solutions we found don't work, that's why we're here.
[00:43] <ericmuyser> having a slight problem when I `sudo su myuser` and it's going to /home/ubuntu, not the home dir set in /usr/passwd (echo $HOME is correct)
[00:43] <ericmuyser> http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58484258/Screenshots/lxeb.png
[00:44] <Ben64> ericmuyser: why are you doing "sudo su" ??
[00:44] <ericmuyser> the home dir is /ude/users/dogeify not /home/ubuntu
[00:44] <Rexter> Shurpu; that's going to be to heavy for that machine. It's going to be a bad experience for you, and someone who is new to Linux, it's going to create an un-fair bad impression. That laptop came with XP, did it not?
[00:44] <ericmuyser> Ben64: is there a better way? (i'm using an ssh key for ubuntu, too lazy to do one for this specific user)
[00:45] <Shurpu> "can't open display" when trying to use xrandr
[00:46] <Rexter> I need help getting a broadcom bcm5702x wireless card working.
[00:47] <Ben64> ericmuyser: su - <username>
[00:47] <jeffrey_f> http://www.wimp.com/brideunique/
[00:47] <ericmuyser> Ben64: I love you <3
[00:47] <Rexter> Ben64; why not sudo -i?
[00:48] <Ben64> because he doesn't want root
[00:48] <epsilonorion> TJ-: Not sure when you thought you may be able to send that file, but I will be switching locations here in a minute resulting in logging off for about 30
[00:48] <TJ-> epsilonorion: Thanks for reminding me; got sidetracked
[00:49] <ericmuyser> Ben64: I have a .bashrc in the ~ dir but it's not sourcing it with that command, idea?
[00:50] <Rexter> Shurpu; hows it looking?
[00:50] <Vivekananda> hey everyone earlier updates used to show up on the top but does not show up on unity 12.04
[00:50] <Vivekananda> how do I know if I have new ones ?
[00:51] <Rexter> Rhombix; hows it looking?
[00:51] <Shurpu> Rexter: thanks again for your help... I tried to use DISPLAY=:0.0 sudo xrandr --screen 0 -s 1280x1024 and it returned me "Size 1280x1024 not found in available modes"
[00:51] <Rexter> Vivekananda; new updates, vs old updates?
[00:52] <Rexter> Shurpu, are you in the live environment?
[00:52] <xangua> Vivekananda: install "update indicator" http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[00:53] <Vivekananda> xangua: in lucid on new updates something popped
[00:54] <Vivekananda> now I dont see them. Is that now an added software and not a core one ?
[00:54] <Shurpu> Rexter: I'm running the usb live Ubuntu for "trying" if that's what you asked. I'd wish to install it, but with a usable GUI resolution.
[00:54] <Vivekananda> the pop up notificatoin I mean ?
[00:54] <Rexter> Shura, how did you create the USB?
[00:54] <Rhombix> Rexter: i'll be perfectly honest, i have been laboring over this installation for 5 hours now, and every little thing has turned into a trainwreck. i am starting to question my sanity, yet i haven't even got further than the second step of the installation without something to stop me
[00:55] <Shurpu> Rexter : with the official ISO, and with the Universal USB live installer
[00:55] <Shurpu> Rexter : it worked well on my computer (I'm on Ubuntu right now with my own)
[00:55] <Rhombix> this isn't even OpenBSD, it's just plain ubuntu
[00:56] <TJ-> epsilonorion: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946394/
[00:56] <Rhombix> it's supposed to be the easiest things for someone to install
[00:56] <Rhombix> *one of the
[00:56] <Rexter> Rhombix, help me understand what you are doing. Why are you installing to an external drive?
[00:57] <Rhombix> Rexter: no special reason, just that i have several external drives and i'll be looking at other distros before settling on a permanent OS
[00:57] <Rexter> Shura, it's going to be easier to work on the graphics issue after the install. hook that thing up to a monitor, and install.
[00:58] <Shurpu> Rexter: well, unfortunately we don't have another monitor here... :/
[00:58] <Rhombix> well, that was my reason. i guess i'll have to revise all this in light of what has happened tonight
[00:58] <jeffrey_f> hi
[00:58] <jeffrey_f> oops, wrong window
[00:59] <Rexter> Rhombix, boot to the live environment, run gparted. If the drive is not listed, it's a hardware, or BIOS issue.
[00:59] <epsilonorion> TJ-: Thank you
[00:59] <basketball> how do i download the 14.04 beta
[01:00] <Rhombix> Rexter: what is gparted?
[01:00] <Vivekananda> how do I find the current video
[01:00] <[x]> Vivekananda :O
[01:01] <Rexter> Rhombix; Gparted is a drive partitioning tool included on the live CD, you can use it to re-partition the drive.
[01:02] <Vivekananda> sorry I meant how do I find the current versions of php or python that are avaialble from repos in ubuntu
[01:02] <junknown> TJ-: So my xorg file says the NVIDIA kernel module fails to start. BUt I have no idea why or how to go about fixing it. Nothing in the kernel log says anything about nvidia errors as far as I can find
[01:02] <Vivekananda> something like apt-search ?
[01:02] <Rhombix> Rexter: ok, thank you. i'll try that.
[01:02] <willwh> Vivekananda: apt-cache search <package> | grep <something>
[01:02] <TJ-> Shurpu: When the target is in "Try" mode, does it have an IP address? If so, you can do Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a text console, then do "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" ... after that, do "passwd" and set a password for the "ubuntu" user used by the live environment, then from your 'good' PC, do "ssh ubuntu@<IP-of-other-PC>" ... if that works, you can then do some remote diagnostics to sort it out from the comfort of your good PC
[01:02] <willwh> Vivekananda: like, apt-cache search php ? :)
[01:02] <Rexter> Shurpu, ubuntu 13.10 is too heavy for that machine anyway. You're about to do all this work, and have it not run well anyway.
[01:02] <[x]> Vivekananda "which python"
[01:02] <[x]> ?
[01:02] <[x]> :D
[01:03] <willwh> that would be what is installed [x]
[01:03] <TJ-> junknown: That's important, if the kernel module failed... go to "/var/log/kern.log" ... search for "nvidia"
[01:03] <willwh> not what packages are available
[01:03] <Vivekananda> willwh: yep
[01:03] <Rexter> Shurpu, look into xubuntu, lubuntu, or better yet ZorinOS lite.
[01:03] <[x]> :| Willis ok
[01:03] <willwh> Shurpu: or Arch ;]
[01:03] <willwh> \but 13.10 is actually fairly sys intensive, and likes a GFX card
[01:03] <willwh> I run arch on all my low powered machines
[01:04] <Rexter> Shurpu, these are all ubuntu based, but better for a machine like that.
[01:04] <willwh> Rexter's right htough - I wouldn't recommend running 13,10 on low end systems
[01:04] <Vivekananda> Willis: that gave me a tonne of results . how do I narrow itdown to php core and also to find the current version avaialable ?
[01:04] <willwh> you're gonna have a bad time
[01:04] <basketball> ubottu, gparted
[01:04] <basketball> ubottu, gparted
[01:04] <[x]> :|
[01:04] <basketball> how do i download the 14.04 beta
[01:04] <Vivekananda> willwh: how about running 13.10 with a lighter manager ?
[01:04] <Rhombix> Rexter: gparted will not display the external drive
[01:05] <TJ-> Let's be clear here, running the full ubuntu-desktop 3D isn't recommended. Nothing wrong with 13.10 or any other version, just the particular GUI chosen.
[01:05] <Shurpu> Rexter : thanks for your support, we'll try something else. I'm leaving the chan. Thank you again for your warm help.
[01:06] <willwh> Vivekananda: I wouldn't recommend it
[01:06] <Rexter> Shurpu, willwh, Arch is a totally different animal. As a newbie, if you like ubuntu, stick with it for now.
[01:06] <[x]> Vivekananda check your personal msg :(
[01:06] <willwh> Rexter: not a newb at all, I well know that
[01:06] <junknown> TJ-: when searching the kern.log for nvidia, the only thing that comes up is a similar line over and over but nothing about any kind of errors.
[01:06] <willwh> I started with gentoo like 14 years ago :x
[01:07] <willwh> I'm lazy nowadays, hence why I'm here (hahaha) :)
[01:07] <TJ-> junknown: Are you able to copy the "/var/log/dmesg" and "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" to pastebins so I can view them?
[01:07] <[x]> dual boot is best way to run ubuntu or virtual machine ??
[01:07] <Xuisce> hey willwh
[01:07] <basketball> how do i download 14.04 beta
[01:07] <willwh> Xuisce: hi
[01:07] <Rexter> willwh, Shurpu is the newb, not ready for arch.
[01:07] <TJ-> basketball: Beta 1 isn't out until the 27th
[01:08] <willwh> basketball: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ (TRY GOOGLE NEXT TIME, I TYPED "ubuntu 14.04" in to google :( )
[01:08] <[x]> Rexter me too n00b ? arch wont suits me
[01:08] <Rexter> Rhombix, do you have another computer?
[01:08] <willwh> Rexter: rgr I'm not following chat too much, just hilights  :)
[01:08] <Rhombix> Rexter: no
[01:08] <TJ-> basketball: however, the current daily dev builds can be found at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/  ... try the #ubuntu+1 channel for support
[01:09] <basketball> is it stable
[01:09] <Vivekananda> also how do I look for the php version and narrow the search down as I requested earlier ?
[01:09] <Rhombix> Rexter: just this android phone
[01:09] <TJ-> basketball: Of course not! It's the development version!
[01:09] <Xuisce> Vivekananda:  hey
[01:09] <basketball> so i shouldnt install it
[01:09] <junknown> TJ-: I can't really think of a way to get that stuff onto a pastebin, i'm currently typing to you on a separate computer
[01:09] <Vivekananda> so anyone ?
[01:09] <TJ-> junknown: Ahh.. does the 'problem' PC not have any network connection?
[01:09] <Vivekananda> Xuisce: :) hi. Why do you change your name each day ?
[01:09] <junknown> TJ-: Actually wait i could set up ssh real quick
[01:09] <willwh> Vivekananda: Vivekananda you can use grep, but apt supports tan completion
[01:10] <willwh> tab*
[01:10] <Vivekananda> hmm okay
[01:10] <Rexter> [x], you can do Arch as a noob, if you are the type of person who sees the journey as more important than the destination.
[01:10] <willwh> i.e.
[01:10] <willwh> sudo apt-get install php5
[01:10] <TJ-> junknown: on the 'problem' PC: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "pastebinit /var/log/dmesg && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and then give me the pastebin URLs
[01:10] <Rexter> Rhombix, do you have any other usb drives?
[01:10] <[x]> ok Rexter
[01:10] <willwh> but you can do things like this: apt-cache show <packagename> to get a full summary (try apt-cache show php5)
[01:11] <willwh> Vivekananda: honestly if you want "fresh" php stuff - you're going to need more than the regular repos
[01:11] <willwh> how new to linux/ubuntu are you?
[01:11] <TJ-> Rhombix: Rexter FYI ... I've killed two USB hubs in the past that had external drives on them, self-powered too, so it is possible to fry USB chipsets in the USB-to-SATA/IDE chips
[01:12] <Rexter> [x], you would learn a lot if you were willing to take the time, but if you want something that just works quickly, ubuntu is much better for that.
[01:12] <basketball> is there a torrent
[01:12] <willwh> tbh, a lot of it depends on your lvl of general IT knowledge
[01:12] <Vivekananda> willwh: that is a secondary question. my first question is how to di find out what versions are avaialble to me in the current repo . I tried using : apt-cache search ph...  and tab completion does not help
[01:12] <willwh> total noobs should NOT touch arch :)
[01:12] <basketball> for ubuntu 14.04
[01:13] <willwh> Vivekananda: I'm not sure what you want
[01:13] <willwh> are you talking major versions?
[01:13] <willwh> i.e.
[01:13] <willwh> apt-cache show php5 == current version of PHP in the repos you have available
[01:13] <willwh> if you try; apt-get install php(start pushing tab)
[01:13] <Vivekananda> I have version 5.3.10 installed for php . I want to find out if 5.4.  or 5.5 are there in the repos yet
[01:14] <willwh> it'll show you all packages starting php....
[01:14] <[x]> Rexter i did love to use Ubuntu most of time i am messed up with that , i couldnt even use "vi" editor to edit hostname.
[01:14] <TJ-> Vivekananda: "apt-cache policy <package-name>" will show you the versions of a package and where they are in the archives
[01:14] <willwh> Vivekananda: I would go; apt-get update && apt-cache show php | grep 5.4
[01:14] <Ben64> basketball: 14.04 support and discussion in #ubuntu+1 until release
[01:14] <willwh> TJ-: perfetto I didn't know that :)
[01:14] <basketball> Ben64,  that channel is dead
[01:14] <junknown> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946424/   http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946428/
[01:14] <willwh> apt-cache policy php5
[01:15] <willwh> ah nice :]
[01:15] <Rexter> [x], are you on Arch now?
[01:15] <willwh> so Vivekananda if you need newer versions - you'll need to enable different repositories
[01:15] <[x]> no i :|
[01:15] <[x]> i use ubuntu in as vm
[01:15] <[x]> i didnt tried arch
[01:16] <[x]> just tried ubuntu and backtrack. Rexter
[01:16] <TJ-> Vivekananda: For major package versions, you can use regular expressions e.g. "apt-cache search '^php[[:digit:]\.]+[^-]' "
[01:16] <TJ-> junknown: got them
[01:17] <Vivekananda> willwh: I am trying apt-get install php and tab and it shows a bunchof stuff including somee with php5 .. but nothing that shows me like php 5.5.10
[01:17] <willwh> Vivekananda: and it won't
[01:17] <willwh> did you trey what TJ- said? apt-cache show policy php5
[01:17] <Rexter> I need help getting broadcom bcm5702x wireless installed.
[01:17] <willwh> Vivekananda: sorry, apt-cache policy php5
[01:18] <TJ-> junknown: OK, your solution is easy :)
[01:18] <willwh> Vivekananda: as I said - you need to enable different repositories, to get later versions
[01:18] <tom_> how can i get ia32libs for 64 bit ubuntu 13.10 desktop
[01:18] <TJ-> willwh: lose the "show" - that's a different option entirely, just use "policy"
[01:18] <willwh> yep, I corrteced a line up
[01:18] <willwh> Vivekananda: http://askubuntu.com/questions/109404/how-do-i-install-latest-php-in-supported-ubuntu-versions-like-5-4-x-in-ubuntu-1
[01:19] <TJ-> junknown: Can you show the results of the following?  "dpkg-query -l 'nvidia* | pastebinit"
[01:19] <Adie> ubuntu says I have 15.6 GiB of RAM, but I have 16
[01:19] <Adie> y
[01:20] <Vivekananda> willwh: I understood that part but installing an later versions is not my question. My question was to figure out what versions are available to me ( by versions I mean the complete version name that is all the three dots (.) eg 5.5.12) in the present system with the Present repos enabled.
[01:20] <ezioa> anyone know why i'm getting an error with gpart -b sda.mbr.bak /dev/sda
[01:20] <ezioa> seek failure
[01:20] <TJ-> Adie: 15.6GB of addressable ... the other 0.4 will be masked out by the GPU's memory space, most likely
[01:20] <marz> wlan0 no longer shows up when i do a "ifconfig" . . . I'm unable to connect to WiFi too.
[01:20] <willwh> Vivekananda: and a few people have offered different ways to find out
[01:20] <willwh> I'm logging, nighters
[01:21] <ezioa> marz: post dmsg and lspci -v
[01:21] <ezioa> marz: dmesg
[01:21] <TJ-> Vivekananda: "apt-cache policy php5" shows that ... the PHP version number is followed by the Debian/Ubuntu version, as in e.g. 5.4.9 - 4ubuntu2.4
[01:21] <Vivekananda> TJ-: thanks lemme try that
[01:22] <ezioa> marz: did you do something with your kernel?
[01:22] <ezioa> anyone know how I can copy a windows 8 mbr?
[01:22] <tom_> guess no one knows
[01:22] <Rexter> Rhombix, that's what I was getting to. Either the drive is bad, or your USB ports are not working.
[01:22] <TJ-> ezioa: "sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1"
[01:23] <Vivekananda> TJ-: I tried it and it showed me only 5.3.10 which is also the version installed. The php people tell me it is eol pretty soon.
[01:23] <Vivekananda> Shouldnt that mean ubuntu would have the upgrade in the regular repos ?
[01:23] <[x]> i need to customize my desktop appearance conky best or screen lets best ?
[01:23] <TJ-> Vivekananda: Well, that's the version in your release of Ubuntu
[01:24] <junknown> TJ-: "dpkg-query -l 'nvidia* " Just leaves me with an arrow and a cursor on the following line
[01:24] <ezioa> TJ-: what about the partition info?
[01:24] <[x]> Rexter i need to customize my desktop appearance conky best or screen lets best ?
[01:24] <marz> ezioa: I didn't do anything. Well, not consciously though. dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946464/ lspci -v: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946466/
[01:24] <TJ-> ezioa: what about it?
[01:25] <Vivekananda> TJ-: I am having lts 13.04
[01:25] <glitsj16> junknown: close the ' .. so try: dpkg-query -l 'nvidia*'
[01:26] <Rexter> [x], I don't know much about that. I've used conkey. I don't know about the other one.
[01:26] <ezioa> anyone know how to backup partition information ... gparted keeps telling me seek failure: gpart -b sda.mbr.bak /dev/sda *** Fatal error: dev(/dev/sda): seek failure.
[01:26] <junknown> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946472/
[01:26] <[x]> Rexter ok !!!
[01:26] <TJ-> Vivekananda: 13.04 is EOL
[01:26] <TJ-> junknown: thanks :)
[01:27] <Rexter> could someone help me get my wireless working?
[01:28] <TJ-> junknown: one more, then I can give you the command to build the nvidia module. "ls -al /usr/src/ /lib/modules/`uname -r`/update/dkms/ | pastebinit"
[01:28] <glitsj16> skinkitten: did you see TJ-'s message yet?
[01:28] <TJ-> ezioa: have you checked"/var/log/kern.log" to see what the disk errors are?
[01:29] <TJ-> junknown: There's a vital space between those two paths in the 'ls' command there
[01:29] <marz> wlan0 no longer shows up when I do a "ifconfig?. I can no longer connect to WiFi
[01:29] <Vivekananda> TJ-: sorry I mean 12.04
[01:30] <junknown> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946484
[01:30] <TJ-> Vivekananda: lol yeah, I thought so! I think you'll find that it will be updated since its an LTS, but I can't say for sure. You'd have to question the package maintainers
[01:33] <TJ-> junknown: OK, this should do it: "sudo dkms build nvidia-331/331.38" ... if that is successful, we'll move on to install it. If it shows an error, we'll have to pastebin the log-file the error message points you to
[01:34] <junknown> TJ-: Module nvidia-331/331.38 already built or kernel 3.11.0-15-generic/4
[01:35] <TJ-> junknown: great!
[01:35] <jak2000> anyone have a tutorial for configure in my server, the domian and static ip? thanks
[01:35] <TJ-> junknown: "sudo dkms install nvidia-331/331.38"
[01:36] <junknown> TJ-: nvidia-331/331.38 already installed on kernel 3.11.0-15-generic/x86_64
[01:36] <ezioa> marz: that doesn't look like lscpi -v output
[01:37] <TJ-> junknown: really? I didn't see it in the 'ls' output earlier... try that again: "ls -la /lib/modules/`uname -r`/updates/dkms/ | pastebinit"
[01:37] <ice9> is there a better file manager KDE?
[01:38] <rww> i expect that depends on what's wrong with dolphin
[01:41] <junknown> TJ-: If I run that command with 'uname -r' I get no such file or directory, but if I put in 3.11.0-15-generic I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946512/
[01:41] <ice9> rww: I don't like Dolphone
[01:41] <TJ-> junknown: that's worrying! what does "uname -r" report?
[01:42] <rww> ice9: I gathered that. Why not?
[01:42] <rww> ice9: I can't really tell you what's better than it if I don't know what's wrong with it, can I? :P
[01:42] <junknown> TJ-: 3.11.0-15-generic
[01:43] <TJ-> junknown: Are you using the back-tick ` or the single-quote ' ? I'm using `back-ticks` which cause the command inside them to be executed in a sub-shell, and its result inserted in place of the `back-ticks`
[01:43] <marz> ezioa: I got it working now, I followed the instructions here even though I don't understand it though. lol http://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/how-to-install-broadcom-wireless-drivers-bcm43xx
[01:43] <ice9> rww: I don't like how things are fitted together,  also about functionality: when you click on icon and it show the 'x'  icon
[01:44] <ezioa> marz: yes.  that's what lspci -v would've told me
[01:44] <TJ-> junknown: OK, lets carry on. do this: "sudo modprobe nvidia-331"  ... then do "tail -n 30 /var/log/kern.log | pastebinit"
[01:44] <marz> ezioa: sorry about that,. . . thank you anyways
[01:44] <ezioa> np
[01:45] <TipDoubler> Seperate me from my own two hands; I've killed so many times, but I can't save the world from the creatures that don't die...
[01:45] <rww> HDRDanny: that... doesn't sound like an Ubuntu support question :P
[01:45] <junknown> TJ-: You wwere correct on the backtick. Was not aware. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946541/
[01:45] <marz> ezioa: Another question, how do I determine if Ubuntu is using my video card? or if it is properly installed?
[01:46] <TJ-> junknown: ok, it's loaded correctly.... now lets see if you can get the GUI to start! "sudo service lightdm restart"
[01:46] <ezioa> marz: umm try a 3d test
[01:47] <ezioa> ati, nvidia?
[01:47] <ice9> rww: I dot another  Ubuntu support question, how to change a file's UID?
[01:47] <rww> ice9: chmod newusernamehere filenamehere
[01:47] <marz> ezioa: nvidia, how do I do a 3d test?
[01:47] <TJ-> ice9: "chown uid:gid <file>"
[01:47] <rww> erm, right, that
[01:47] <rww> i am terrible at mixing those two up
[01:48] <TJ-> rww: so are my fingers ;p
[01:48] <ezioa> marz: do you have an icon of a key in your system tray?
[01:48] <ice9> rww: that will change owner:group id but not the uid
[01:48] <junknown> TJ-: I am now watching a screen that flashes red then green then blue, then red/green/blue, then white, then a horizontal gradient, then a vertical gradient then black. hahaha
[01:48] <rww> ice9: precisely what do you think a uid is?
[01:50] <TJ-> junknown: Psychedelic :) ... OK ... "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[01:50] <marz> ezioa: a key? nope . . . But I have a gear icon on the upper right side which lists System Settings, Display, Startup Application, Software up to Date, shutdown, restart, etc.
[01:50] <junknown> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6946560/
[01:51] <HDRDanny> rww, it'
[01:51] <HDRDanny> It'
[01:51] <HDRDanny> dang it.
[01:51] <HDRDanny> It's not!
[01:51] <HDRDanny> :P
[01:51] <ezioa> marz: search for a program that says "drivers" in it
[01:51] <basketball> !gparted Rexter
[01:51] <ezioa> marz: with the unity program launcher
[01:51] <basketball> Rexter,  !gparted
[01:51] <rww> !gparted
[01:51] <basketball> !gparted
[01:52] <basketball> !gparted
[01:52] <Xuisce> !india
[01:52] <Xuisce> ah
[01:52] <Xuisce> !korea
[01:52] <rww> basketball: the syntax to send it to a specific person is !gparted | Rexter (to put it in the channel), or !gparted > Rexter (to PM it). The bot doesn't repeat itself.
[01:52] <Xuisce> hm
[01:52] <rom1504> !china
[01:52] <rom1504> cool
[01:52] <rww> Xuisce: you can investigate the bot with /msg ubottu korea (for example).
[01:52] <basketball> oh thanks rww
[01:52] <Xuisce> ah thanks rww
[01:52] <TJ-> junknown: "(WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device DFP-3's EDID; cannot compute DPI" so, how many and how are the monitor(s) connected?
[01:53] <marz> ezioa: Do you mean "Additional Drivers"?
[01:53] <Rexter> !gparted | basketball
[01:54] <ezioa> marz: yes
[01:54] <junknown> TJ-: I have a single  2560x1440 monitor connected with DUal DVI
[01:54] <basketball> Rexter,   you asked not me
[01:54] <Rexter> basketball, lol I asked what?
[01:55] <TJ-> junknown: OK, well the problem is, that monitor isn't providing the GPU with its resolutions and refresh rates, via EDID data
 Rexter: what is gparted?
[01:55] <basketball> oh that was rhombix
[01:55] <basketball> my bad
[01:56] <Rexter> basketball, are you any good with broadcom drivers though?
[01:56] <basketball> kinda
[01:56] <marz> ezioa: I see a NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release) (version 331-updates). It says "This driver is activated and currently in use." So I assume that the driver is installed properly.
[01:57] <marz> ezioa: When I boot up my laptop, and I get to the Login Screen, the screen displays some white dots and displays the original wallpaper, the orange thing, instead of my custom wallpaper. Is there any way I can change that?
[01:57] <ezioa> marz: I believe so.  Try your luck at a 3D tester.
[01:57] <Rexter> basketball, I have a Dell with bcm57xxx card. I can't remember how to make it work.
[01:58] <Rexter> basketball, I need to install firmware or something/
[01:58] <_doug_> So... this is frustrating. I have 3 displays plugged into an nvidia card. The ubuntu installer seems all three. I reboot and NONE of them work. I have to boot with one display plugged in, and then plug the other two in after boot. Also seeing this with Mint.
[01:59] <junknown> TJ-: hmmmm the monitor worked fine when I had just the nouveau drivers installed and it also works fine with in windows
[01:59] <TJ-> junknown: OK, so then that suggests a problem with the driver
[01:59] <TJ-> junknown: so now we know what to search the web for
[01:59] <marz> ezioa:  Okay. Thanks a lot mate. :D
[02:00] <ice9> rww: sorry I meant the UUID
[02:00] <ezioa> marz: np
[02:01] <TJ-> junknown: just found this "The problem with these monitors and PROPRIETARY Linux drivers is that they use a new version of EDID information that is NOT yet supported by the nvidia or fglrx (catalyst) drivers on Linux"
[02:02] <TJ-> junknown: Try this if you can, see if you can solve it: http://learnitwithme.com/?p=342
 IdleOne,  SCSI error on write(36592,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 4 "Drive error", ASC 03 ASCQ 00.
 when burning to dv
[02:03] <skinkitten> TJ-, glitsj16 any update?
[02:04] <junknown> TJ-: Thanks so much for the help! I'll work on that.
[02:04] <TJ-> glitsj16: In case I've gone and the buildders are slow, you can point skinkitten to https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/gutenprint/
[02:05] <TJ-> skinkitten: You can download all the files from my server there; I've uploaded the source to the launchpad PPA builders so at some point soon the packages should also be available from my development PPA
[02:06] <TJ-> skinkitten: My PPA is at https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ppa
[02:08] <skinkitten> TJ-, where exactly will it appear when the builders take care of it? on here? https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ppa
[02:09] <TJ-> skinkitten: Yes, and you'll be able to add my PPA to your system's apt sources so you can install/remove with apt-get
[02:09] <skinkitten> TJ-, I'm assuming it will show up as a tar under latest updates. correct?
[02:10] <TJ-> skinkitten: No!
[02:10] <TJ-> skinkitten: debian packages
[02:11] <Rexter> I'm stuck on a Broadcom wireless issue. BCM57xx. I could really use some help.
[02:12] <skinkitten> everything that ends in .deb on here https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/gutenprint/ should be downloaded? How do I install ? I'm a newbie. I need you to be more explicit. :)
[02:12] <TJ-> skinkitten: oh ok... let me write a script you can simply run, then
[02:13] <skinkitten> o.o thank you
[02:18] <Vivekananda> my ubuntu has another weird problem
[02:19] <Vivekananda> sometimes when I initiate shutdown and mostly with a few programs open it does not completely power off but the screen is kind of lighed up a bit although it is black. then I hve to force shutdown it
[02:22] <basketball> when i was burning to disk i got a SCSI error on write(138304,16): [4 09 01] Drive error. Tracking servo failure.   error
[02:23] <TJ-> skinkitten: I hope this will work! "SC=get_gutenprint_from_tj.sh; wget http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/gutenprint/$SC && chmod a+x $SC && ./$SC"
[02:25] <Kekai> Okay
[02:25] <Kekai> hello
[02:25] <Kekai> I run Ubuntu 13.10 on a Lenovo Netbook S10 Ideapad
[02:25] <Kekai> with 200GB of HD space and 512gb of ram
[02:26] <skinkitten> TJ-, Resolving iam.tj (iam.tj)... 109.74.197.122
[02:26] <skinkitten> Connecting to iam.tj (iam.tj)|109.74.197.122|:80... connected.
[02:26] <skinkitten> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[02:26] <skinkitten> 2014-02-16 21:25:54 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[02:26] <TJ-> skinkitten: hahah great start!
[02:26] <skinkitten> I copied and pasted what you said
[02:26] <skinkitten> it is?
[02:26] <Kekai> if I install XCFE does that make it officially Xubuntu 13.10 or will I stll need to go to ubuntu sites
[02:26] <Kekai> and If I install it through Terminal, will I keep all my files?
[02:27] <[x]> 512gb ram ??
[02:27] <[x]> or 512mb
[02:27] <Kekai> its an old PC that still works
[02:27] <Kekai> mb
[02:27] <Kekai> yeah
[02:27] <Kekai> which is why I am switching to a lighter desktop
[02:27] <[x]> :|
[02:28] <Kekai> Ubuntu keep freezing on me
[02:28] <Kekai> idk what to do
[02:28] <[x]> Kekai try backtrack
[02:28] <[x]> :D
[02:28] <Kekai> I know how to install the Desktop enviroment
[02:28] <Kekai> Just will it make me an official Xubuntu user or will I have to do a HDD wipe?
[02:29] <TJ-> skinkitten: try again: "SC=get_gutenprint_from_tj.sh; wget http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/gutenprint/$SC && chmod a+x $SC && ./$SC"
[02:29] <basketball> SCSI error on write(138304,16): [4 09 01] Drive error. Tracking servo failure.
[02:29] <Kekai> Can a mod help me please?
[02:29] <skinkitten> TJ-, SC=get_gutenprint_from_tj.sh; wget http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/gutenprint/$SC && chmod a+x $SC && ./$SC"
[02:29] <skinkitten> woops
[02:29] <skinkitten> TJ-, Resolving iam.tj (iam.tj)... 109.74.197.122
[02:29] <skinkitten> Connecting to iam.tj (iam.tj)|109.74.197.122|:80... connected.
[02:29] <skinkitten> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[02:29] <skinkitten> 2014-02-16 21:29:40 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[02:30] <TJ-> skinkitten: that is weird, it works here the exact same
[02:30] <n^izzo> hey all
[02:30] <skinkitten> I copied and pasted your input
[02:31] <skinkitten> TJ-, ok i removed sudo which was I was adding
[02:31] <skinkitten> it is working now TJ-
[02:32] <Bashing-om> Kekai: All 'buntu distro have the same kernel, and all share the exact same software repository.
[02:32] <skinkitten> TJ-, here is the note it ended on : 2014-02-16 21:31:43 (455 KB/s) - `printer-driver-gutenprint_5.2.10-pre1-0ubuntu1~tj1_amd64.deb' saved [466460/466460]
[02:32] <skinkitten> [sudo] password for jose:
[02:32] <skinkitten> sudo: pkg: command not found
[02:32] <skinkitten> ~
[02:32] <n^izzo> does anyone know if I can save the state of a virtual machine in vmware and restore that machine on a different host with the same state?
[02:32] <TJ-> skinkitten: Grrr!... let me check :)
[02:33] <skinkitten> TJ-, : ok!
[02:33] <TJ-> skinkitten: OK, my typo in the script. you can fix it easily
[02:34] <TJ-> skinkitten: do "ls" ... do you see get_gutenprint_from_tj.sh  ?
[02:34] <skinkitten> yes TJ-
[02:35] <TJ-> skinkitten: OK ... do this: "cd gutenprint" then do "ls" and you should see a lot of .deb (debian package) files.... if so, do "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" and that will install the driver... tell me if any of those packages generates an installation error or warning
[02:37] <skinkitten> TJ-, looks good. it ended in this note : ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[02:37] <skinkitten> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libcncpcmcm.so is not a symbolic link
[02:37] <skinkitten> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libcncpmsimg.so is not a symbolic link
[02:37] <skinkitten> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libcncpnet.so is not a symbolic link
[02:37] <skinkitten> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libcncpmslld.so is not a symbolic link
[02:37] <skinkitten> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libcncpmsui.so is not a symbolic link
[02:38] <TJ-> skinkitten: let me look those up, see what they are
[02:39] <junknown> TJ-: SO I tried to manually change xorg.conf for my monitor to no avail. I think I'll just stick with nouveau in hopes that they update nvidia soon. AFter what we did earlier what would be the easiest way to remove what we did and go back to nouveau? ppa-purge?
[02:40] <TJ-> junknown: "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-331"
[02:40] <Cannon4TI> Hello, can anyone tell me the symbol for displaying errorcode's ? I am trying to modify my user prompt
[02:41] <TJ-> skinkitten: From what I can tell those are nothing to do with gutenprint; they must be something to do with what you've done on that system
[02:41] <TJ-> skinkitten: So, the drivers are installed... its up to you to figure out if they work :)
[02:41] <Cannon4TI> ...anyone?
[02:42] <skinkitten> TJ-, give me 5
[02:43] <basketball> how do i update my dvd drovers
[02:43] <MITStudent> Good night, I am a student of a course at MIT and need to interview 75 people to present my project to build mobile experience. Who can help me, send me a private message I send the link to the questionnaire. Are only 5 questions. Thank you.
[02:44] <Beldar> MITStudent, On the IRC in general this is considered spam, I would check use, just a heads up is all.
[02:45] <ecardona> hi, I need some help with avconv
[02:45] <junknown> TJ-: Sorry to keep bothering but I removed that and now I'm not able to get the resolution I could before :\
[02:46] <TJ-> junknown: Has nouveau loaded? "lsmod | grep nouveau" ?
[02:46] <skinkitten> printer status is stopped ><
[02:46] <basketball> dvd drive firmware update ubuntu 13.10
[02:46] <junknown> TJ-: That returns nothing
[02:47] <basketball> TJ-,  how do i dvd drive firmware update ubuntu 13.10
[02:47] <TJ-> skinkitten: is that good?
[02:48] <TJ-> basketball: the firmware is the embedded software in the DVD writer... very often they don't support newer DVD makes/types, so you need to check the DVD-writer manufacturer's web-site for the make/model for an update, and instructions on how it is installed into the DVD-writer
[02:48] <skinkitten> going to restart....printer info was there but no printer action as of yet
[02:48] <TJ-> junknown: OK, that means nouveau isn't being loaded. "sudo modprobe nouveau" to begin with
[02:48] <TJ-> junknown: then try restarting lightdm as before
[02:50] <TJ-> junknown: if that works, just check that there isn't a blacklist entry for nouveau left behind by nvidia: "sudo grep 'blacklist.*nouveau' /etc/modprobe.d/* " - if there is, you'll need to remove those
[02:51] <shayne> am I on ubuntu IRC?
[02:51] <hewhomust> no
[02:51] <basketball> yes shayne
[02:52] <junknown> TJ-: I get /etc/modprobe.d/bumblebee.conf:blacklist nouveau   since I no longer need bumblebee for nvidia should i just delete the file?
[02:52] <junknown> actually
[02:52] <TJ-> junknown: remove the bumblebee package, maybe?
[02:53] <shayne> I have a new amd A6-6400K apu. I just installed 13.10 and ran the updates but I still am getting lots of weird screen artifacts when I move or resize windows. Anyone know of a way to fix that or if the A6 isn't supported yet?
[02:53] <basketball> !canibeop> TJ-
[02:53] <basketball> !canibeop | TJ-
[02:53] <Xuisce> !guatemala
[02:54] <junknown> TJ-: Yeah that worked :D
[02:54] <Xuisce> !belarus
[02:54] <Xuisce> hm
[02:54] <Xuisce> sorry ill use the other command /msg ubottu
[02:54] <junknown> TJ-: Is there anywhere I can donate money to you haha?
[02:54] <TJ-> junknown: No, but you can donate your time in the future to help other Ubuntueers
[02:55] <basketball> TJ-, check pm
[02:55] <skinkitten> TJ-, printer status : /usr/lib/cups/filter/gstoraster failed
[02:55] <junknown> TJ-: Well thankyou very much! Once I have a smidgen of knowledge to share I will do that :)
[02:56] <TJ-> skinkitten: that's a shame!
[02:56] <skinkitten> shameful =[
[02:56] <shayne> anyone have a working amd A6 machine with no dedicated video card?
[02:57] <shayne> I'm trying to decide what I need to do to fix my A6 setup
[02:57] <TJ-> skinkitten: I'm reading that that error is often caused by a config issue, and the best way to clear it is to completely delete the printer from printer settings, and then re-add it
[02:58] <skinkitten> TJ-, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IT PRINTED
[02:58] <skinkitten> \O/
[02:58] <TJ-> skinkitten: Colour?
[02:58] <[x]> O.o
[02:58] <albivian> hi guys
[02:58] <albivian> i'm having trouble getting usb with ubuntu to boot
[02:58] <albivian> using windwos 8
[02:59] <albivian> running msi ge40
[02:59] <skinkitten> haven't tried colour. the url at the top is cut off. the bottom "1 of 1" and time stamp is also cut off.
[02:59] <albivian> secure boot is turned off
[02:59] <anon99999> How do I use LIRC in Ubuntu 12.04 with a device connected by usb that has an infrared led and infrared receiver attached?
[02:59] <albivian> can anyone help me?
[02:59] <TJ-> albivian: That'll be UEFI ... have you disabled quick-boot ?
[02:59] <albivian> that's the option from contorl right?
[02:59] <albivian> TJ-: i'll check
[03:00] <TJ-> skinkitten: OK, that's probably the PPD for the printer max margins being wrong... you should be able to compensate for that in the printer configuration, maybe using a custom size, or even fixing the PPD file itself
[03:00] <TJ-> albivian: in most UEFI set-ups, its a boot option
[03:00] <albivian> TJ-: i've turned off fast startup
[03:00] <albivian> but i'm not sure about quick boot
[03:00] <albivian> TJ-: should I enter the BIOS?
[03:01] <TJ-> albivian: Good... that's the same thing just different names I think.
[03:01] <TJ-> albivian: when the system starts, are you pressing the system's alternate boot menu key, so you can choose which device to boot?
[03:02] <albivian> f11 yes
[03:02] <albivian> but none of them show the sandisk usb as an option
[03:02] <albivian> i've also done what was recommended by a few forums
[03:02] <albivian> and changing the boot priorities
[03:02] <albivian> the three types of usb (cd, hdd, or key)
[03:02] <albivian> none of them seem to trigger
[03:02] <TJ-> albivian: OK, for the USB, you might see two entries, one will begin something like "EFI: ... USB ..." the other maybe "ATA: ... USB...." ... you're choosing the "EFI:" entry?
[03:02] <albivian> the usb
[03:03] <albivian> TJ-:  i'll be right back
[03:03] <TJ-> albivian: ok
[03:03] <albivian> going on a differnt pc
[03:03] <TJ-> skinkitten: how you getting on?
[03:06] <albivion> i'm back
[03:07] <Vivekananda> ubuntu normally never troubles but when it does decide to do it heavens help the person. I had been avoiding updates and today I did all of them ie getting like 500 mbs of it all together
[03:07] <TJ-> Vivekananda: that's worse... better to do them as they come, much easier to track down causes of problems that way
[03:08] <albivion> TJ-: so you were saying about EFI or the other option?
[03:09] <TJ-> albivion: always choose the options that start "EFI" (or similar) rather than "AHCI or ATA or SCSI or whatever" - those others are all legacy BIOS-style boot options
[03:09] <albivion> TJ-:  yup that's the option I went with
[03:09] <albivion> UEFI
[03:09] <TJ-> albivion: Unfortunately there's no standard terminology so you have to guess from context for each different firmware
[03:09] <albivion> in this boot mode, usb doesn't work
[03:10] <Vivekananda> during the process nvidia drivers also got installed and on reboot the system was hanging at 'checking battery state' after telling me that drivers cannot recognize the graphis anc I should manually configure it. I pressed enter . then I got to the screen where it said manually configure or leave it as is and then I could not move the chosen option with tab or anything and I just did a ESC at which point I was greeted byt the st
[03:10] <Vivekananda> upid checking message. I used my phone to look online and then just copied over xorg.conf.failsafe --> xorg.conf and my cmp started by lost unity 3D. also how do I tackle these issues  1. unity 3D and nvidia graphics. my laptop is a lenovo T61 2.1 ghz
[03:10] <TJ-> albivion: That suggests the image on the USB device isn't EFI-compatible
[03:10] <skinkitten> thank you so much TJ- a week trying to print. you must know how I feel !
[03:10] <anon99999> How do I use LIRC in Ubuntu 12.04 with a device connected by usb that has an infrared led and infrared receiver attached?
[03:10] <TJ-> skinkitten: It's working correctly?
[03:11] <TJ-> skinkitten: you should add my PPA to your sources list, so that you can track updates properly
[03:11] <skinkitten> TJ-, margins are off. how do I add your PPA?
[03:12] <TJ-> skinkitten: See the section "Adding this PPA" at https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ppa
[03:12] <TJ-> skinkitten: maybe that's something glitsj16 and me can help you with another day :)
[03:12] <glitsj16> TJ-: skinkitten: builds are reported as pending in your PPA, I'll hold off the forum post untill everything is there .. great effort!
[03:12] <Vivekananda> This was my error http://askubuntu.com/questions/141606/how-to-fix-the-system-is-running-in-low-graphics-mode-error
[03:12] <TJ-> glitsj16: let's wait until the PPD issue is confirmed, we should be able to fix that
[03:13] <glitsj16> TJ-: sure thing
[03:14] <TJ-> skinkitten: Something you can do is figure out exactly (to the millimetre) how much each margin is off from the paper edge, and for which paper sizes and orientations
[03:15] <_doug_> So... this is frustrating. I have 3 displays plugged into an nvidia card. The ubuntu installer seems all three. I reboot and NONE of them work. I have to boot with one display plugged in, and then plug the other two in after boot. Also seeing this with Mint.
[03:15] <TJ-> skinkitten: The way I do that, is use a graphics program like inkscape to draw solid rectangles around the 4 sides overlapping the edge of the paper... when printed you can then measure the exact distance from edge of paper to the printable areas
[03:15] <Vivekananda> I found that I can purge nvidia and I would like to do it by -- sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-173 nvidia-current  and then reinstall
[03:16] <Vivekananda> I can use : sudo apt-get install nvidia-current but do I also got for nvidia-173 ?
[03:16] <skinkitten> TJ-, can you send me that file? as a gimp file? please?
[03:16] <skinkitten> I added your PPA TJ-
[03:16] <Xuisce> Vivekananda:  heya
[03:16] <Vivekananda> Xuisce: hey
[03:16] <TJ-> _doug_: so they all work when using the live environment (the open-source nouveau driver I guess), but not when you've installed the system and booted to that?
[03:16] <Vivekananda> why do you keep changing names ?
[03:16] <Xuisce> Vivekananda:  changing?
[03:16] <Xuisce> Vivekananda:  it was always like this
[03:17] <Xuisce> :)
[03:17] <TJ-> skinkitten: which file are you referring to?
[03:17] <Vivekananda> oo okay
[03:17] <TJ-> skinkitten:  the drawing for printing? You can create that yourself, as I described above.
[03:17] <Vivekananda> TJ-: any clues ?
[03:17] <_doug_> TJ-: I didn't try the live environment per see, but when I installed I had all three displays connected, and all seemed to work fine.
[03:17] <Vivekananda> of nvidia issues and getting ubuntu 3d back ?
[03:17] <skinkitten> TJ-, : reading
[03:18] <impossible> would ubuntu look and work terribly by completely disabling or removing compiz?
[03:18] <skinkitten> 4 rectangles, one for each corner, got it
[03:18] <TJ-> Vivekananda: I usually start by checking "/var/log/dmesg" to ensure the nvidia driver loaded correctly. Then I look at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" to seek clues as to why the X server drivers didn't behave
[03:19] <_doug_> TJ-: This occurs with both the default video drives and the one installed from the ubuntu additional device driver GUI thing. It also happens on Mint Linux as well.
[03:19] <Vivekananda> TJ-: okay lemme try those
[03:20] <_doug_> TJ-: i've run the ubuntu desktop prefences stuff. All three displays seem fine. I've also used nvidia-settings and again, everything shows up fine. Reboot (with all three displays connected). Blank screen.
[03:20] <TJ-> _doug_:  So you installed and it worked fine - that would be with the nouveau open-source nvidia device driver. That is the 'default', unless by default you mean the accelerated nvidia proprietary driver, which I'd have expected to do better than the nouveau driver :)
[03:20] <_doug_> boot with one display, and connect the other two, both come up straight away
[03:21] <TJ-> _doug_: silly question... i
[03:21] <_doug_> TJ-: 'NVIDIA binary Xorg driver kernel module and VDPUA library'
[03:21] <TJ-> _doug_: ... does the graphics card drive 4 displays?
[03:21] <_doug_> aka nvidia-304 version ubuntu 3.08.88-0ubunt8
[03:21] <_doug_> TJ-: It's got three outputs. :)
[03:21] <glitsj16> impossible: only the (default) unity is tied into compiz, if you don't *ever* plan on using that you should be fine without compiz .. but make sure you've installed and logged into an alternative DE before purging it
[03:22] <_doug_> display port, hdmi, dvi
[03:22] <TJ-> _doug_: OK, not 4? I was going to say, it sounds like you don't have a monitor connected to the primary output, which is what is driven at startup, before the X server starts the GUI
[03:22] <Vivekananda> TJ-: https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/9044178
[03:22] <Vivekananda> help me out a bit
[03:22] <TJ-> _doug_: OK, can you show us "/var/log/dmesg" ? You ought to be able to do "pastebinit /var/log/dmesg" and give us the URL
[03:22] <_doug_> TJ-: nah. The card has 3 outputs, and I have all three connected. The primary display seems to be the DVI one. I have no idea why
[03:23] <ajoul> Where is the config files of my applications stored in Ubuntu?
[03:23] <TJ-> _doug_: I have 2 GPUs here driving 6 displays, never had that kind of issue
[03:23] <ajoul> I am trying to edit redshift.conf config file
[03:23] <_doug_> TJ-: lemme grab it's UP, and boot it again with three displays connected and see if I can even ssh in. One sec
[03:23] <_doug_> s/UP/IP/
[03:24] <ajoul> Where is the config files of my applications stored in Ubuntu?
[03:24] <ajoul> I need to edit them
[03:25]  * ajoul patiently waiting for a fucking response. 
[03:25] <somsip> !language | ajoul (just about to help you, but not now)
[03:25] <TJ-> Vivekananda: my guess would be, the nouveay driver is still blacklisted by artefacts of the nvidia driver installation, because Xorg is using the VESA driver. Check with "sudo grep 'blacklist.*nouveau' /etc/modprobe.d/* "
[03:26] <ajoul> thx somsip, anyone else know where are the config files of my applications stored in Ubuntu?
[03:26] <impossible> glitsj16, thanks, does gnome 3 use compiz ?
[03:26] <TJ-> ajoul: the per-user configuration is in your user home directory, usually as (hidden) dot-files or inside dot-directories.
[03:27] <glitsj16> impossible: if you mean gnome-shell no, it uses mutter for compositing, not compiz
[03:27] <skinkitten> TJ-, what are acceptable margins? 8.5W x 11H
[03:28] <impossible> thats very nice, thanks again
[03:28] <ajoul> TJ- by going in my /home directory and hitting cd . (followed by tab) the only available files I see are ./ ../
[03:28] <Vivekananda> TJ-: https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/9044178 box 3. Also should I try the purge and reinstall ? or if not what should I do ?
[03:28] <Vivekananda> I want to get unity back !
[03:28] <glitsj16> impossible: you're welcome
[03:28] <_doug_> TJ- http://pastebin.com/SrHJ0gNp (it's mint now, not ubuntu... :) )
[03:28] <TJ-> skinkitten: I'm not sure, each printer differs, but here in Europe we mostly see 2cm margins all round on A4 paper.
[03:29] <FuuqUmiist> what are good apps for Ubuntu you can't live without?
[03:29] <_doug_> TJ: Well, I can confirm it's up. I can ssh into it. So, it's just a display issue
[03:29] <ajoul> How to display all hidden files?
[03:29] <jje> ls -la
[03:30] <FuuqUmiist> ajoul i think ctrl+h
[03:30] <ajoul> Where is the safest place to store porn in Ubuntu?
[03:31] <Vivekananda> brb
[03:31] <Vivekananda> restarting
[03:31] <TJ-> _doug_: I notice it is using the EFI framebuffer at boot-time. I've read there can be big problems with that, I think you may just have found one... can't confirm that, but that would be my suspicion. Try following up on that with searches, see what comes up
[03:31] <_doug_> TJ-: Kk
[03:32] <TJ-> _doug_: before you do that though, I'd highly recommend you upgrade the nvidia driver version to 331. If you haven't tried that already, of course
[03:32] <TJ-> _doug_: There's an Ubuntu PPA containing the latest drivers called xorg-edgers
[03:33] <_doug_> TJ-: k. Thanks.
[03:33] <TJ-> _doug_: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[03:34] <linuxuz3r_> hey guys
[03:34] <ajoul> hello my friend!
[03:34] <linuxuz3r_> hi ajoul
[03:34] <ajoul> How was your day Linxuz3r
[03:34] <_doug_> TJ-:  Try the EFI stuff first?
[03:34] <linuxuz3r_> well confusing somewhat
[03:34] <TJ-> _doug_: after following the "Add this PPA.." instructions, do "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get install nvidia-331"
[03:34] <ajoul> tell me more
[03:34] <_doug_> TJ: Actually, is EFI secure boot?
[03:35] <linuxuz3r_> ajoul, what cpu do you use?
[03:35] <linuxuz3r_> do you prefer intel or amd?
[03:35] <ajoul> I use Intel, but I have no preference, it all comes down to the same
[03:35] <linuxuz3r_> this is not the place for it
[03:35] <TJ-> _doug_: I'd use nvidia-331 first... that might have the support you need... however, as that loads much later, I still think the EFI framebuffer could be the cause. I believe some nvidia video-BIOS can be updated to fix the issue, but I only came across a discussion on that in passing, so not read anything 'official' from Nvidia
[03:36] <linuxuz3r_> ok alot of people prefer intel
[03:36] <TJ-> _doug_: Secure-boot is one feature of UEFI
[03:36] <linuxuz3r_> do you wanna join ubuntu offtopic
[03:36] <ajoul> sure mate
[03:36] <linuxuz3r_> #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:36] <_doug_> TJ: K. Wasn't sure if that was relevant. I had secure boot enabled but just disabled it because I was gonna try putting Windows 7 on there and it bitched, so I dsiabled secure boot. Up until the very last boot that was enabled.
[03:38] <TJ-> _doug_: If it works with SB off, then that would suggest an unsigned module issue. That is worth checking for.
[03:38] <_doug_> TJ-: It doesn't work with either
[03:38] <TJ-> _doug_: The nvidia modules aren't signed, but so far as I have seen, the kernel just grumbles in the log about that, it doesn't refuse to load the driver
[03:39] <_doug_> TJ: this was windows. doesn't matter. not relevant i think
[03:39] <TJ-> _doug_: which video card is it? "lspci -nn | grep VGA"
[03:39] <Guest7563> Tj i am basketball
[03:39] <_doug_> TJ-:  Nvidia GeForce GTX 645 OEM
[03:39] <Guest7563> I have a error message error file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
[03:39]  * TJ- is going to bed, it's almost 4am!
[03:39] <Guest7563> And i cant boot
[03:39] <_doug_> eeek
[03:39] <Guest7563> I dont have a live disk
[03:40] <TJ-> _doug_: !!
[03:41] <glitsj16> TJ-: have a good stretch, you've did more than a days work in here today, dreamzzz
[03:41] <TJ-> _doug_: just read the changelog for nvidia-drivers which says "* New upstream beta 319.12 (2013-04-09).   - Added initial support for restoration of efifb consoles on UEFI systems where the primary display is driven over VGA or TMDS (e.g. DVI, HDMI, or LVDS)."
[03:42] <JimX> Hello. I;m trying to compile msbksrc. Can someone please take a look and tell me what the problem is? I'm running Ubuntu x64. Thank you . http://pastie.org/8740799
[03:42] <TJ-> glitsj16: Thanks... got to be up by 7am, on a farm here, things to do at dawn :)
[03:42] <TJ-> _doug_: So... install the nvidia-331 driver and hope ;)
[03:42] <daftykins> TJ-: what kind of farm?
[03:42] <TJ-> daftykins: arable, ~1200 acres, but with some townie's horses stabled
[03:43] <Guest7563> TJ- ^^^^
[03:43] <glitsj16> TJ-: :) nice, sort off like a farm here too, i'll check up on skinkitten's progress and we'll take it up again tomorrow
[03:43] <daftykins> TJ-: interesting :)
[03:44] <Guest7563> error file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
[03:44] <Vivekananda> okay
[03:44] <Vivekananda> back
[03:44] <Vivekananda> so anyone any clues on how to go about it
[03:44] <Guest7563> Anyone
[03:44] <TJ-> glitsj16: good therapy, gets me away from the computers! Glad we got skinkitten sorted anyhow. g'night.
[03:44] <Vivekananda> I am going to purge two nvidia drivers and replace but dont know how to get ubuntu unity 3d
[03:45] <GPHemsley> I recently installed what I thought were supplementary fonts (for support for things like additional scripts), but now all my menus and things are using an ugly serif font. How do I reset the default font used by Ubuntu/Unity?
[03:46] <glitsj16> Guest7563: what does: ls -lh /boot/grub/i386-pc .. show? you're probably missing essential parts of grub
[03:46] <viper_67> 13.10 Saucy. Problem: Right click usb drive , select option format. Does nothing. Attempted fix: open terminal . command. sudo natilus , wash rinse repeat no results
[03:50] <viper_67> any ideas guys?
[03:50] <Guest7563> Glit where do i run that
[03:50] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: you can use gnome-tweak-tool to set up fonts again .. you also might need to refresh your font caches if you didn't do that yet
[03:51] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: How do I refresh the font caches? (And what is the connection between Unity and Gnome? I'm still confused about that...)
[03:51] <glitsj16> Guest7563: open a terminal window .. ctrl+alt+t and run it there
[03:51] <basketball> glitsj16:
[03:51] <basketball> glitsj16: i am guest
[03:51] <basketball> how do i open the terminal if i cant boot
[03:51] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: sudo fc-cache -f -v will refresh all caches
[03:52] <JimX> Anyone know a utility tool which can restore .mtf files? Or can anyone take a look here http://pastie.org/8740799 and tell me what the problem is? thank you
[03:52] <glitsj16> basketball: sorry, didn't realise that
[03:52] <jasef> !info libsexy
[03:52] <jasef> ... I just saw that showing up in my upgrade O_o
[03:53] <jasef> Oh, got the name wrong.
[03:53] <basketball> glitsj16:  so what can i do
[03:54] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: GNOME is confusingly also the toolkit that is used in unity, GTK (gnome tool kit) is less confusing and doesn't refer to gnome-shell
[03:54] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: Hmm, well, it definitely seems like that need to be done, as there were a lot of new contents, but it doesn't appear to have fixed the problem
[03:54] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: you'll need to install gnome-tweak-tool and set up fonts again
[03:55] <glitsj16> basketball: are you on a liveCD now?
[03:55] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: Why is that the case? Seems less than ideal.
[03:55] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: not sure, how did you install those new fonts?
[03:55] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: aptitude
[03:56] <basketball> glitsj16:  i dont have a live cd
[03:56] <GPHemsley> I also seem to be hitting an NVIDIA driver bug that causes windows and things to go completely black
[03:56] <GPHemsley> which is new
[03:56] <foldingcookie> hi, is the Ubuntu One client for Windows open-source?
[03:57] <foldingcookie> I can't find any links to source code for it, just a binary blob installer
[03:57] <willwh>  is the linux client open source?
[03:57] <willwh> (I don't use it)
[03:57] <basketball> glitsj16:  i am in grub rescue are there commands i can type there
[03:57] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: i really don't know what happens without some detailed logs, maybe /var/log/syslog offers clues as to what happened
[03:58] <glitsj16> basketball: not to install missing packages no, you would need to reboot to a recovery shell if you can get there
[03:58] <basketball> what commads do i type
[03:58] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: What am I looking for in there?
[03:59] <glitsj16> basketball: my guess would be: apt-get install grub-pc-bin, as that is the package that holds those grub mod files
[04:00] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: anything related to fonts or could be clues in your ~/.xsession-errors too
[04:01] <foldingcookie> willwh: ah, I guess it's based on the same Qt source as the Linux one
[04:01] <FireHack> t
[04:01] <FireHack> hello
[04:01] <foldingcookie> I don't know why there wouldn't be any links to the repo where development happens from the page where you get the program
[04:01] <willwh> foldingcookie: ah, so the linux source is avail? like I said, I don't use it
[04:01] <foldingcookie> yes
[04:01] <willwh> it does seem a little odd
[04:02] <foldingcookie> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/trunk/files
[04:02] <willwh> I assume it'd be pure c++
[04:02] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: Hmm... no timestamps :/
[04:02] <foldingcookie> python, I believe
[04:02] <willwh> pyqt?
[04:02] <willwh> ;o
[04:02] <foldingcookie> yeah
[04:02] <willwh> I havent done much with qt, although am looking at it for my next project
[04:02] <glitsj16> basketball: if you reboot into recovery, you'll be presented with a menu, make sure you choose the item mentioning networking active or similar wording, you'll probably need that to get the package installed
[04:03] <foldingcookie> I'd like a more streamlined (CLI) UI, which is why I was looking... I guess I'll keep looking
[04:03] <foldingcookie> thanks anyway
[04:03] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: Also, it's mostly just errors about  at-spi2-registryd respawning too fast. It's a pretty short file.
[04:03] <packetscaper> I am trying to setup an RSA authentication setup using openssl
[04:03] <willwh> foldingcookie: ah; I use grive mostly (but I'm using google apps for business)
[04:04] <basketball> glitsj16:  i found a live disk
[04:04] <packetscaper> I have already made the CA server, and server certificate. I also have made the pksc12 certificate. I also need to make a client certificate as well. Does the pksc12 include the root CA and client certificate too ?
[04:05] <packetscaper> Or I will have to make a separate client certificate sign it by the root CA and then import both the pksc12 and the client certificate. I am trying to setup strongswan server
[04:05] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: Oh, also, I already have unity-tweak-tool; I don't think gnome- works for Unity
[04:06] <glitsj16> basketball: okay, but that way is a bit more complicated than trying recovery mode, you'd need to look into chroot to get at your installed partition
[04:07] <glitsj16> GPHemsley: it does, but unity-tweak-tool has the same font settings pane iirc
[04:07] <basketball> ok glitsj16  you are the boss tell me exactly what to do
[04:07] <DrAdam> any talkers here?
[04:07] <glitsj16> basketball: try the recovery mode first, if that turns out badly we can do the chroot routine
[04:08] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: Yeah, but it doesn't seem to work, either.
[04:08] <jak2000> apache question: ServerName midomain.com and ServerAlias www.midomain.com   its correct?
[04:08] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: The font problem affects e.g. System Settings and the Document Viewer drop-down menus
[04:09] <GPHemsley> glitsj16: But not the Terminal monospace font or application title bars
[04:11] <jasef> Ugh. unity crashed and now I just have to wait for the upgrade to finish to get my panels back.
[04:11] <viper_67> does anyone know why right click format drive option doesn't work ubunty 13.10 unity
[04:12] <wcmckee> use disk managment
[04:13] <viper_67> wcmckee, well i know  i could do that, or use gparted. but the format option allows use of writting one's or zeros to disk so that recovry wouldn't work
[04:15] <viper_67> tried sudo natilus and still can't use that function.  i could use testdisk for the same purpose but would be great having the right click option
[04:24] <Cannon4TI> Hello
[04:25] <Cannon4TI> I wish to use the ls command and have it display file details except for the group and owner name
[04:25] <Cannon4TI> is this possible?
[04:25] <Cannon4TI> I have tried doing ls -l but that displays the group and owner name
[04:27] <basketball> with 13.04 what is the username and password on the livecd
[04:28] <hewhomust_> there is none
[04:30] <MoPac> Hello; I have a question about full-screen windows on a multi-viewport desktop. If I have, e.g., a full-screen youtube video, then regardless of whether I use NVidia or Nouveau drivers, if I switch to a new viewport, that window comes out of full screen, so when I return to it or see it in the preview pane, it is the browser page with a little framed video window.Is there anything I can do?
[04:31] <Cannon4TI> NvmI have found it
[04:34] <viper_67> basketball,  username  maybe root , pass toor if there was one for some reason. Pretty much a standard for most live distros
[04:34] <DerfNerd> Hi, I know I'll win the award for most vague, open-ended question of the evening, BUT- I'm using rsync (on windows) to send files to my ubuntu server, and it averages 5-20K/sec over my LAN. Where can I start troubleshooting this speed issue?
[04:35] <basketball> ill try thanks viper_67
[04:39] <viper_67> basketball, let me know if it work buddy
[04:43] <durabook> I have tried installing 13.10, but I all I keep seeing is lines across my computer with an error, hardware doesn't support Unity. What are my options here?
[04:44] <viper_67> durabook, did you do an install with the optional extras and udates ?
[04:44] <cfhowlett> durabook, don't use unity.  kubuntu/xubuntu/gnomeubuntu
[04:44] <basketball> !chroot
[04:45] <sakter12> does anyone know of anyway to get  autodesk maya working on linux?
[04:46] <cfhowlett> !blender|sakter12,
[04:46] <sakter12> i use blender a lot, was wondering specifically about maya, has to with specific python scripting FOR maya
[04:47] <sakter12> *to do
[04:47] <durabook> cfhowlett, I just chose the 64-bit download from the website, I didn't see an GNOME only option.
[04:48] <cfhowlett> durabook, wait 1 -
[04:48] <cfhowlett> durabook, ubuntugnome.org    - it's an official derivative
[04:49] <cfhowlett> official *flavor* that is
[04:49] <durabook> cfhowlett, And Kubuntu doesn't have unity at all?
[04:49] <cfhowlett> durabook, nope.  kde desktop environment + ubuntu = kubuntu
[04:49] <viper_67> durabook,  if you didn't install the third party software which i think has vid drivers that may be an issue
[04:50] <durabook> viper_67, I did not install the 3rd party software.
[04:50] <trisquel> hi
[04:50] <durabook> viper_67, You think I should try that?
[04:50] <cfhowlett> trisquel, greetings
[04:51] <trisquel> i checked san-project.org and my scanner has full support but is not detected. SENSYS MF3010 USB Ethernet 0x04a9/0x2759 Complete All resolutions supported (up to 600DPI)  pixma (0.17.4)  sane-pixma
[04:51] <DonkeyHotei> i'm trying to netinstall saucy on an x86 tablet so that i can then apt-get install ubuntu-touch, but the net installer won't see the keyboard i plugged into usb so i can't use it. any ideas?
[04:51] <durabook> viper_67, But if my computer hardware doesn't support Unity, why would installing 3rd party software matter?
[04:52] <cfhowlett> !touch|DonkeyHotei,
[04:52] <cfhowlett> DonkeyHotei, see the other channel
[04:52] <DonkeyHotei> cfhowlett: no one there
[04:52] <DonkeyHotei> also, they don't support x86
[04:52] <viper_67> durabook, it might be with your display drivers and " additional drivers" option provides propriety drives for sound and display
[04:53] <unstable> I use an external monitor with my laptop periodically. Often when this happens a window willi 'disappear'. Right now I can't find sublime. If I hit alt + tab, I can see the sublime icon.. when I select it, nothing shows up.
[04:53] <unstable> How can I get sublime to come to the foreground of my screen?
[04:54] <trisquel> cfhowlett:  i checked san-project.org and my scanner has full support but is not detected. SENSYS MF3010 USB Ethernet 0x04a9/0x2759 Complete All resolutions supported (up to 600DPI)  pixma (0.17.4)  sane-pixma
[04:54] <viper_67> unity is just a gnome shell and you could try reinstalling it
[04:54] <cfhowlett> trisquel, I saw.  Sadly, I can't advise ...
[04:54] <trisquel> cfhowlett: ok..
[04:54] <DonkeyHotei> does the netinstaller just not support usb keyboards?
[04:54] <unstable> viper_67: me?
[04:55] <cfhowlett> durabook, did you try nomodeset?
[04:55] <viper_67> unstable, sorry no, meant for durabook
[04:55] <durabook> cfhowlett, No.
[04:55] <durabook> cfhowlett,  I am installing from a USB flash drive..
[04:55] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|durabook, eh - ok
[04:55] <durabook> cfhowlett, Everything appears to go great, click restart...then Hardware doesn't support Unity error.
[04:56] <viper_67> durabook, is the installation complete and can you access the internet?
[04:57] <durabook> viper_67, Yes, the installation is completed, the internet is accessed, just after I restart, weird lines on the screen.
[04:58] <durabook> viper_67, I have installed Ubuntu on several computers, and I have not encountered this problem until now.
[04:58] <viper_67> durabook, so after login are the lines present on your desktop?
[04:58] <durabook> viper_67, I never make it to the login screen after restarting from the installation.
[04:59] <viper_67> can you hit ctl+alt+f1 to get terminal and login?
[04:59] <durabook> viper_67, No, computer is completely froze.
[05:00] <viper_67> durabook, are you dual booting ? from grub you could launch recovery with networking
[05:00] <cfhowlett> durabook, if you've already got the install, you can add lxde/kde/xfce4 and use that desktop environment instead of unity.   quite easy.
[05:00] <viper_67> cfhowlett, not if it freezes to from the start
[05:00] <durabook> cfhowlett, When the install is complete it says must be restarted...you know?
[05:01] <durabook> cfhowlett, I click restart.  The computer restarts.  After about 1 minute, I see several diagnonal lines, with Hardware doesn't support Unity.
[05:01] <basketball> on live disk there is no install button next to programs in software center
[05:01] <cfhowlett> durabook, right.  sorry for bad intel.
[05:01] <cfhowlett> durabook, boot to the command line
[05:02] <durabook> cfhowlett, I don't know how to boot to the command line.  I only have one option there.  Click to restart.
[05:03] <viper_67> durabook, hold shift and reboot after bios screen
[05:03] <basketball> viper_67:  on live disk there is no install button next to programs in software center
[05:03] <cfhowlett> durabook, ok according my google: reboot & hold down shift button.  bootloader should appear.  boot to root shell prompt
[05:04] <cfhowlett> or perhaps repeatedly tap the shift key
[05:04] <unstable> Is there a window manager channel for ubuntu?
[05:04] <viper_67> durabook, it's in the advance options
[05:04] <viper_67> basketball, no install button to install what?
[05:04] <viper_67> basketball, ubuntu or a package
[05:04] <basketball> xchat
[05:05] <unstable> Has anyone had the behavior where they alt tab to an application, and it doesn't show after they select it?
[05:05] <unstable> Or even when I open the application from the icon/launcher, it doesn't show.
[05:05] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed tightvncserver on my laptop, but I can not conect to it from my other computer.
[05:05] <mojtaba> Does anybody know what should I check? Or what should I look for?
[05:06] <cfhowlett> unstable, I think there's one for nautilus ...
[05:06] <mojtaba> I have followed all the instructions in http://gettingstartedwithraspberrypi.tumblr.com/post/24142374137/setting-up-a-vnc-server
[05:06] <trisquel>  am following this but i get stuck at the sane-find-scanner section https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn%27t%20auto-detected
[05:06] <basketball_> glitsj16, hey
[05:07] <viper_67> basketball,  open terminal " ctl+alt+t " ... type command " sudo apt-get install xchat 2.8.8-7.1ubuntu2 " with no quotes and you can copy and past
[05:07] <glitsj16> basketball_: yup?
[05:07] <viper_67> basketball, type password and hit enter , xchat should install from terminal/
[05:08] <unstable> cfhowlett: Do you know how to force an application to show?
[05:08] <viper_67> basketball_,  sorry " sudo apt-get install xchat " is the correct command
[05:09] <cfhowlett> unstable, sorry, I'm on xubuntu so I'm not fully up on the unity/ubuntu side of things
[05:10] <viper_67> basketball_, to launch you can hit dash xchat
[05:14] <jdwwatts> off loaded windows for ubuntu happy now
[05:15] <Abhijit> hi. i am getting WARN: /lib/ufw is group writable! error for ufw status. is this serious?
[05:15] <Abhijit> how do I remove this warning.
[05:16] <Xuisce> Abhijit:  hi
[05:16] <viper_67> basketball, did you get xchat installed?
[05:17] <Abhijit> Xuisce, hello. I am getting WARN: /lib/ufw is group writable! error for ufw status.
[05:17] <basketball> using sudo apt-get install xchat-gnome
[05:17] <Abhijit> is this serious?
[05:17] <loucal> I've been pretty stumped on this for a while and tonight I decided to try to track down the answer to no avail.  I use fluxbox without a display manager and I get those skinny orange scrollbars that you need to hover over just right to get the 'handle' to drag.  Its like my qt themes are missing the scrollbars, but if I run a gui app as root with sudo, they have the normal qt-styled scrollbars that I want.  I am so confused I have read a ton 
[05:17] <loucal> stuff and I realize fluxbox shouldn't be controlling the scrollbars so I'm just wondering what I'm missing.
[05:19] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed tightvncserver on my laptop, but I can not conect to it from my other computer. Does anybody know what should I check? Or what should I look for? I have followed all the instructions in http://gettingstartedwithraspberrypi.tumblr.com/post/24142374137/setting-up-a-vnc-server
[05:20] <viper_67> basketball, that should work
[05:20] <basketball> it is i am basketball_
[05:21] <viper_67> basketball_, basketball , glad i could help
[05:21] <jdwwatts> i woner if this is hitched uu one acountp to my ubunt
[05:21] <jdwwatts> whoa
[05:21] <basketball> thajks\
[05:27] <viper_67> basketball_, no problem
[05:33] <loucal> in case anyone was wondering I finally solved my own problem, they are a unity feature called overlay scrollbars
[05:35] <basketball_> bazhang,  can you help me real quick in pm
[05:35] <bazhang> ask in channel basketball_ if someone knows, they will answer
[05:36] <basketball_> chroot /mnt/chroot /bin/bash
 chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
[05:37] <Bitwise> Is there a channel here for wine?
[05:37] <basketball_> #wine-hq
[05:38] <Bitwise> It's empty.
[05:38] <basketball_> #wine
[05:38] <bazhang> it's @winehq
[05:38] <bazhang> # not @
[05:38] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed tightvncserver on my laptop, but I can not conect to it from my other computer. Does anybody know what should I check? Or what should I look for? I have followed all the instructions in http://gettingstartedwithraspberrypi.tumblr.com/post/24142374137/setting-up-a-vnc-server
[05:39] <cfhowlett> !wine|Bitwise,
[05:39] <Bitwise> Thanks.
[05:40] <basketballl> glit
[05:40] <basketballl> sorry
[05:42] <basketballl> shoot did gilit leabe
[05:43] <rileyvrh> is there something about ubuntu that either doesnt allow for ./configure and make after unpacking a .gz file to install .. or ami just retard and theres something i havbent installed yet
[05:43] <rww> rileyvrh: install the build-essential package if you didn't already, that should get you started
[05:44] <rileyvrh> hmm
[05:44] <basketball> glitsj16 did you leave
[05:48] <basketball> glitsj16
[05:48] <basketball> bazhang: error file /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod not found entering recovery mode
[05:50] <MrSde> someone?
[05:50] <cfhowlett> !details|MrSde,
[05:51] <MrSde> how can i disable showing window contents while moving a window? also the same while resizing
[05:52] <MrSde> version lts 12.04
[05:53] <willwh> I don't think you can?
[05:53] <willwh> and why would you want to do that?
[05:53] <willwh> I'm curious
[05:54] <durabook> cfhowlett, Okay, I have made it to the login screen.  But I see no way of just booting into GNOME only.  I have held Shift down, I see advanced options.  It gives me 2 different kernel versions but thats it.
[05:55] <MrSde> i think i was clear, i want to disable the showing of window contents while moving the window in ubuntu 12.04 lts, there isn't anything else to add
[05:55] <Guest7563> Glit
[05:55] <MrSde> cmon 1500 people here someone must know where is the setting
[05:57] <MrSde> x11rdp is hanging sometimes
[05:57] <MrSde> while moving windows and system needs restart for x11rdp to work again
[05:58] <cfhowlett> !patience|MrSde,
[05:58] <cfhowlett> durabook, well, you have to actually have INSTALLED gnome ---
[05:58] <cfhowlett> durabook, from command line: sudo apt-get install gnome
[05:58] <viper_67> willwh, either window render issue for trying to draw to much while moving it or hide porn till it can be closed so it appears just moving windows around lol
[05:59] <Abhijit_> MrSde, you mean you dont want to show the window itself while you move it with mouse?
[06:00] <Guest7563> Viper (Guest7563) I have a error message error file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
[06:00] <viper_67> Abhijit_, I belive he wants the contents to disapper while window is in motion
[06:00] <durabook> cfhowlett, ok let me try that
[06:00] <MrSde> yes, in windows the setting is pretty clear, i want to just move the window without showing its contents constantly while moving
[06:01] <krilcovsseann> Is ubuntu set up for secure boot?
[06:01] <Abhijit_> !secureboot
[06:01] <krilcovsseann> !secureboot
[06:01] <MrSde> !secureboot
[06:02] <Abhijit_> krilcovsseann, yes. canonical has keys for using ubuntu on those seure bioses
[06:02] <krilcovsseann> Is a secure/dual boot system possible? With windows 8 and ubuntu?
[06:02] <Abhijit_> yes
[06:02] <durabook> cfhowlett, Says "sudo" command not found
[06:03] <krilcovsseann> Thanks, Abhijit. I am going to be looking into that.
[06:03] <durabook> damn this unity thing sucks for some comps
[06:03] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed tightvncserver on my laptop, but I can not conect to it from my other computer. Does anybody know what should I check? Or what should I look for? I have followed all the instructions in http://gettingstartedwithraspberrypi.tumblr.com/post/24142374137/setting-up-a-vnc-server
[06:03] <willwh> durabook: try lubuntu, or xubuntu
[06:03] <willwh> on lower powered machines
[06:04] <viper_67> Guest7563, I found this, I'm not sure if these steps will fix your issue. but the same problem as you
[06:04] <durabook> willwh, Not sure what the issue is here, i have 3gb RAM, 64-bit, that was running Windows 7 perfect, but it can't run ubuntu 13.10, odd.
[06:04] <MrSde> it's surprising that a so simple setting isn't implemented
[06:04] <viper_67> Guest7563, http://askubuntu.com/questions/386467/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found-in-ubuntu-13-10
[06:06] <casimir> hi there. i'm n00b. I install kali linux tools on my raring ringtail.when i try to start msfconsole.it prints out: rake-10.0.3 missing. please help or tell me the right chan
[06:06] <bazhang> MrSde, this for a remote desktop session?
[06:07] <artistfood> kjbkjbkjbkjknkjbkjb
[06:07] <MrSde> @bazhang yes, it hangs randomly while moving a window.
[06:07] <willwh> MrSde: what are you using for an rdp client? remmina works very well for me for vnc and windows rdp :)
[06:07] <viper_67> Guest7563, i also found this article , http://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found
[06:07] <Xuisce> artistfood: !emergency
[06:07] <bazhang> MrSde, why do you need that setting
[06:07] <cfhowlett> durabook, sudo apt-get install gnome
[06:07] <artistfood> Xuisce: kinda
[06:07] <Xuisce> artistfood: what's wrong ?
[06:08] <durabook> cfhowlett, That does not work.  Command sudo not found.
[06:08] <artistfood> nothing.comp froze
[06:08] <durabook> cfhowlett, I have a deal there that says Grub>
[06:08] <MrSde> @willwh I just used x11rdp-o-matic tool and worked well except from this
[06:08] <artistfood> Xuisce: have you used webchat?
[06:08] <Xuisce> artistfood: yes why ?
[06:09] <cfhowlett> durabook, ah, stop!  you are not logged in to command line!  reboot, hit shift/enter to get the grub bootloader options.  choose "root"
[06:09] <artistfood> Xuisce: well on firefox i cant get the dialog at the bottom to show up so i cant talk
[06:09] <willwh> MrSde: ok, well, I just the native remote functionality in ubuntu to allow remote access, or set up RDP in windows - then connecting to either, I use remmina
[06:09] <durabook> cfhowlett, ok
[06:09] <willwh> MrSde: you should give it a shot
[06:09] <Xuisce> artistfood: oh get a real client
[06:09] <Xuisce> Xchat should do
[06:09] <durabook> cfhowlett, hit shift+enter at the login screen?
[06:10] <artistfood> Xuisce: nahh i prefer browsers
[06:10] <cfhowlett> durabook, it's shift OR enter
[06:10] <Xuisce> artistfood: oh
[06:10] <durabook> cfhowlett, When?
[06:10] <durabook> cfhowlett, I am holding shift down after I reboot now..
[06:10] <cfhowlett> durabook, reboot.  after power on selt test hit the enter key
[06:10] <cfhowlett> or the shift key
[06:10] <MrSde> i have already set up 2 cs servers and don't want to touch anything because it may break the whole thing, i just want this simple setting that is so simply accesible on windows
[06:10] <cfhowlett> !commandline
[06:11] <durabook> cfhowlett, Okay. done.
[06:11] <artistfood> Xuisce: it was working 2 days ago
[06:11] <Xuisce> Ok
[06:11] <willwh> MrSde: in 12.04 I don't think you can do that
[06:11] <durabook> cfhowlett, Then I have to hit 'c' for the command line.
[06:11] <MrSde> isn't there any desktop effects control panel somewhere?
[06:11] <willwh> install a vnc client on windows?
[06:11] <willwh> in unity? not really
[06:11] <cfhowlett> durabook, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1904347&p=11586729#post11586729
[06:11] <willwh> is 12.04 unity? I forget
[06:12] <MrSde> -.- so simple yet not implemented
[06:12] <cfhowlett> durabook, or this method
[06:12] <cfhowlett> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1904347&p=11586730#post11586730
[06:13] <willwh> MrSde: http://askubuntu.com/questions/39667/how-do-i-file-feature-request-bugs-on-launchpad
[06:13] <viky> hello
[06:13] <MrSde> while I searched i found something about older ubuntu releases, i wonder why this got removed
[06:13] <artistfood> now its working after i changed the character encoding. thats odd since i havent played with it
[06:14] <artistfood> Xuisce: well thanks :)
[06:14] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed tightvncserver on my laptop, but I can not conect to it from my other computer. Does anybody know what should I check? Or what should I look for? I have followed all the instructions in http://gettingstartedwithraspberrypi.tumblr.com/post/24142374137/setting-up-a-vnc-server
[06:14] <artistfood> durabook: are you on mandrake?
[06:14] <viky> anyone can help?
[06:14] <cfhowlett> !ask|viky,
[06:15] <viky> im using ubuntu and want to disable all clients usb port ...is any tool for it ?
[06:16] <MrSde> I wish valve improved the hlds sometime so I didn't have to mess with unix like systems
[06:16] <viky> ?
[06:17] <cfhowlett> !ports
[06:17] <durabook> cfhowlett, okay,  I have held down shift.  here are my options Ubuntu | Advanced options for Ubuntu | Memory Test (memtest86+) | Memory Test (memtest +86, serial console 115200)
[06:17] <cfhowlett> durabook, advanced options should have command line
[06:18] <viky> script is not working
[06:18] <viky> is any utility or tool for it ?
[06:18] <durabook> When I choose Advanced Options here are my options...Ubuntu, with Linux 3.11.0-12-generic | Ubuntu, with Linux 3.11.0.12-generic (recovery mode) | Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.38-8-generic | Ubutntu, with Linux 2.6.38-8-generic (recovery mode)
[06:19] <she_dyed> did it give error message, 'not working' doesn't help a lot
[06:19] <cfhowlett> durabook, recovery mode
[06:19] <viper_67> viky, to disable usb ports so no one can use them open a terminal ctl+alt+t and enter this command: sudo echo "blacklist usb-storage" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.con
[06:19] <casimir> trying to start metasploit but it prints out "rake 10-0.3 missing". hellllllllp
[06:19] <somsip> casimir: what version of ubuntu?
[06:20] <viky> 12.4
[06:20] <casimir> 13.04
[06:20] <viper_67> viky, reference this article http://itsfoss.com/how-to-disable-usb-ports-in-ubuntu/
[06:20] <viky> i tried it but after rebot it comes to it previous state
[06:20] <somsip> !13.04 | casimir
[06:21] <casimir> raring ringtail
[06:21] <somsip> casimir: so you may be best to update to 13.10
[06:21] <viky> i had tried that script viper
[06:21] <durabook> cfhowlett, okay when I choose drop to root shell prompt, and type sudo apt-get install gnome I get this | W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
[06:21] <cfhowlett> durabook, wait 1
[06:22] <viper_67> viky, hmm did you check blacklist config to make sure the line was added correctly ?
[06:22] <viky> it crashes always after sometime
[06:22] <enigmabomb> Hello. I added this PPA to my Ubuntu 12.04 installation. I did apt-get update apt-get upgrade and it's failing on the MySQL upgrade. It asks me to set the passwords then says, "Unable to set password for the MySQL "root" user"
[06:22] <viky> yes i did
[06:22] <viky> i tried all the scripts
[06:22] <enigmabomb> Sorry, this PPA: http://askubuntu.com/questions/109404/how-do-i-install-latest-php-in-supported-ubuntu-versions-like-5-4-x-in-ubuntu-1
[06:23] <casimir> do you think that is really the problem?
[06:23] <viper_67> viky, have you tried booting into your bios setup and seeing if there is an option to disable usb in it?>
[06:23] <viky> yes @casimir
[06:23] <durabook> this problem is giving me a headache.
[06:23] <durabook> heh
[06:23] <somsip> casimir: Quite possibly. You're using an unsupported version of ubuntu. Only quite recently, but stil best to upgrade so you know you are getting suported packages
[06:24] <cfhowlett> durabook, what;s the output of this command: ps aux - | grep apt | grep -v 'grep'
[06:24] <somsip> enigmabomb: ondrej main PPA for php5 upgrades installs loads of other new stuff. It's not something we can support here. Raise an issue on the PPA homepage
[06:24] <casimir> thanks i'll try!
[06:24] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed tightvncserver on my laptop, but I can not conect to it from my other computer. Does anybody know what should I check? Or what should I look for? I have followed all the instructions in http://gettingstartedwithraspberrypi.tumblr.com/post/24142374137/setting-up-a-vnc-server
[06:24] <enigmabomb> Thanks Somsip
[06:25] <viky> yes i tried but in some bios it give all port enable and disable option but in some bios it just gives enable all and diasable all ...@viper
[06:25] <somsip> enigmabomb: or...you can ppa-purge the one you just added, and try... I think it's ondrej/php5-oldstable. That only installs php5.4 and not all of the other stuff
[06:25] <durabook> cfhowlettm, It says error : garbage option
[06:25] <somsip> enigmabomb: but all usage of PPAs is at your own risk
[06:25] <enigmabomb> Oh perfect. Thats what I need to do, just go back and have normal packages. I hate that i used the PPA
[06:26] <viky> viper are you there ?
[06:26] <somsip> enigmabomb: ah yes - it's referenced on that webpage.
[06:26] <cfhowlett> durabook, http://askubuntu.com/questions/15433/how-do-i-fix-a-could-not-get-lock-var-lib-dpkg-lock-problem
[06:26] <somsip> !ppa-purge | enigmabomb
[06:26] <viper_67> viky, yes, if you type my name and hit tab it will auto complete and notify me i have a message
[06:27] <durabook> oh geez
[06:27] <casimir> tried to join a chan. it print "you need to identified to the services" what should i do?
[06:27] <somsip> !register | casimir
[06:27] <viper_67> viky,  hmm I found a more extensive guide if you would like to take a look. http://askubuntu.com/questions/153964/how-do-i-prevent-standard-users-from-using-the-usb-ports
[06:28] <viky> viper_67:
[06:28] <casimir> ubottu: i tried to join #metasploit
[06:29] <viky> viper can i have ur e-mail id ?
[06:29] <durabook> yea,when trying to do a sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock i get "rm: cannot remove 'var/lib/dpkg/lock': Read-only file system
[06:29] <enigmabomb> @somsip When I try to sudo apt-get install ppa-purge it starts running the mysql-server config script and fails. Any pointers?
[06:29] <cfhowlett> durabook, reboot and try again.  hopefully that'll kill the lock process
[06:29] <viper_67> viky, sorry I don't give out email , but that last page should yield requested result
[06:30] <casimir> i tried to join #metasploit
[06:30] <mojtaba> anybody with VNC experience?
[06:31] <somsip> enigmabomb: avoid the @ as it doesn't highlight in IRC clients. I don't have an answer for you though. apt-get must be trying to tidy up the incomplete previous install, but not sure how to get round that.
[06:32] <enigmabomb> somsip: Ok I'll see what I can figure out. thanks for the ppa pointer
[06:32] <durabook> cfhowlett, Same error.  Maybe Ubuntu just doesn't want to run on this thing.
[06:32] <EsoRotica_> enigmabomb: Maybe sudo dpkg --configure -a  ?
[06:32] <Bray90820> What does "history -c" do
[06:32] <somsip> Bray90820: clears it
[06:33] <Bray90820> Thank you
[06:33] <viky> anyone thr ?
[06:33] <viky> who can help me ,...
[06:34] <EsoRotica_> mojtaba: what is the problem?
[06:34] <somsip> enigmabomb: web advice seems to be to remove the offending package. But at this stage, you might not want to remove your how mysql install....
[06:34] <somsip> s/how/whole
[06:34] <enigmabomb> I did a sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa: and removed it
[06:34] <somsip> enigmabomb: cool
[06:35] <viper_67> viky, did you see the last page I sent you?
[06:35] <cfhowlett> durabook, http://askubuntu.com/questions/15433/how-do-i-fix-a-could-not-get-lock-var-lib-dpkg-lock-problem    use the sudo rm command in this article
[06:36] <viky> its not working man ,..
[06:36] <viky> i tired it
[06:36] <viky> i tired it before
[06:38] <EsoRotica_> viky: are they usb3 ports by chance?
[06:38] <viper_67> somsip, hey how are you doing today?
[06:39] <somsip> viper_67: if you know me you know I don't do casual chat on here.
[06:39] <somsip> viper_67: you know, hi and everything, but far too busy...
[06:40] <mojtaba> Hi, I have installed tightvncserver on my laptop, but I can not conect to it from my other computer. Does anybody know what should I check? Or what should I look for? I have followed all the instructions in http://gettingstartedwithraspberrypi.tumblr.com/post/24142374137/setting-up-a-vnc-server
[06:40] <EsoRotica_> mojtaba: are you connecting from an address within the network?
[06:40] <viper_67> somsip, I know just making sure your active, viky  is trying to disable her usb ports on 12.04 and editing blacklist.config isn't working . do you know of another way to kill all ports so no one can use usb?
[06:41] <mojtaba> EsoRotica_: Yes I am in the LAN
[06:41] <durabook> cfhowlett, It seems now that my computer isn't connected to wi-fi when using just the command prompt.
[06:41] <somsip> viper_67: if I can and want to help, I would. modules are not something I know about, so I'm leaving it to others who know
[06:42] <dwarder> i'm trying to install specific version of mysql with this command 'sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.5=5.5.32-0ubuntu7' but i got this error
[06:42] <dwarder> mysql-server-5.5 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.5 (= 5.5.32-0ubuntu7) but 5.5.35-0ubuntu0.13.10.2 is to be installed
[06:42] <dwarder> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[06:42] <dwarder> how do i fix it?
[06:42] <dwarder> i want this version
[06:42] <viper_67> somsip, ok , and thanks again for your help the other day. I've got my system to where it needs to be and running smooth
[06:42] <somsip> viper_67: I don't remember, but great :)
[06:42] <jumnel> When I play dvds, there is an awful glowing where the light hits the actors. Can anyone help?
[06:43] <mojtaba> EsoRotica_: Do you know what should I do?
[06:43] <geirha> dwarder: you have to specify that version for mysql-server-core too
[06:43] <EsoRotica_> mojtaba: Personally I use x11vnc. I'm looking for tightvncserver information now.
[06:44] <viper_67> thats ok to :)
[06:44] <geirha> dwarder: i.e.  sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.5=5.5.32-0ubuntu7 mysql-server-core-5.5=5.5.32-0ubuntu7
[06:44] <mojtaba> EsoRotica_: Thank you very much.
[06:44] <geirha> dwarder: which may further complain about other packages, so you'll have to keep adding those until it accepts it
[06:46] <dwarder> geirha: your command works, thank you
[06:47] <durabook> I can't use apt-get from the command line because my wifi isn't connected.
[06:47] <dwarder> geirha: i think i need to add mysql-client package also ....
[06:47] <dwarder> geirha: ahh, it installs it with the core
[06:48] <geirha> dwarder: the client version probably doesn't have to match exactly with the server version, so the client is probably of the newer version
[06:49] <ubuntu> hi i need help configuring a scanner
[06:49] <leeyaa> hello
[06:50] <Guest15524> leeyaa, hi
[06:50] <durabook> I never knew ubuntu could be so hard to get going.
[06:50] <viper_67> durabook, did you get gnome installed?
[06:50] <leeyaa> what could be the reason for ubuntu to change its ip address. i have configured it as static. this is my config http://bpaste.net/show/H63GV6DRfOk4lVmmD8fI/
[06:50] <nylar> anyone try that andonstar usb microscope on ubuntu yet?
[06:51] <durabook> viper_67, I cannot, because my wi-fi is not connected at the command prompt.
[06:52] <viky> i hav 2 dvr device ... one is in other cabin and one is in my cabin ... the dvr in the other cabin gets a normal ping and works normally but the dvr in my cabin dosn't get ping normally and so no visual output ... it hought thr problem wid thr dvr so i changed both but still same prob ... and checked all thinks the IP,DNS and all stuff but still having the same problem :(
[06:53] <Guest15524> i am running ubuntu 13.10
[06:53] <viper_67> does anyone know if you can connect to wifi from tty1 console ?
[06:55] <Guest15524> i have a canon multifunction printer and i have installed the printer driver but the scanner is not being detected..
[06:55] <viper_67> durabook, you might have to boot from live cd / usb. when aksed for what kind of installation you can select reinstall or repair and see if that helps
[06:57] <_doug_> Anyone using the nvidia drivers from xorg-edgers? They don't work for me. :(
[06:58] <somsip> !ppa | _doug_ (we only support official drivers here)
[06:59] <_doug_> somsip: Well, the official ones didn't work either. :)
[06:59] <somsip> _doug_: best to install those again, then come here for help
[07:00] <_doug_> csomsip: That's what I did, and TJ- suggested the xedgers ones
[07:00] <_doug_> which I did, and now I got a brick on boot. :)
[07:00] <Guest15524> ?
[07:00] <casimir> do someone have a solution to fix metasploit on ubuntu?
[07:01] <casimir> "rake-10.0.3 missing"
[07:01] <somsip> _doug_: then TJ- is very naughty... Although there are personal recommendations here for PPAs (I do it sometimes) it's not really official advice and we can't do much to advise on them. You might get someone who will help you though. Can't say NVidia drivers is my strong point so I'll bow out
[07:01] <somsip> casimir: did you upgrade?
[07:02] <casimir> cant by now
[07:02] <somsip> casimir: I don't understand that sentence
[07:02] <Ben64> casimir: metasploit isn't an ubuntu package, you'll have to contact whoever you got it from
[07:03] <JokesOnYOu77> I'm having a problem understanding bash functions. When I create a (very) simple bash function, in the terminal, using echo I find that double quotes behave unexpectadly.  I think, that exclamation points don't usually have to be excapedin double quotes, but in a function it seems to cause a problem.  Please see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6947449/
[07:04] <somsip> JokesOnYOu77: ! must be in '!' otherwise it will act as the history operator in "!"
[07:04] <Guest15524> when i run sane-find-scanner no scanner is detected
[07:05] <durabook> cfhowlett, okay i was able to finally get this thing running, with your help of course, thank you!
[07:05] <cfhowlett> durabook, congrats!  glad to help out.
[07:06] <viper_67> durabook, fine I didn't help :0)
[07:07] <Guest15524> is there any way i can detect a scanner
[07:07] <cfhowlett> !cookie|viper_67,
[07:07] <durabook> cfhowlett, Is there a way I can make GNOME the default instead of Unity?
[07:08] <JokesOnYOu77> somsip, So "!" will always be the history operator?  I thought only $ and ` were reinterpreted in " " ?
[07:08] <cfhowlett> durabook, once you select gnome as the desktop environment, it'll boot until you change it
[07:08] <viper_67> cfhowlett, lol what no milk. Is that anyway to treat a friend lol. Well i gtg glad you got it running durabook,
[07:08] <somsip> JokesOnYOu77: best to check these things unless you know. Thinking doesn't always help
[07:08] <durabook> cfhowlett, ok good deal
[07:09] <durabook> viper_67, Yes! Thank you too!
[07:09] <ubuntuer> こんにちは
[07:09] <JokesOnYOu77> somsip, http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3898896/Single-vs-Double-Quotes-in-Bash.htm
[07:09] <somsip> !jp | ubuntuer
[07:09] <cfhowlett> !cn|ubuntuer,
[07:09] <Abhijit> can I install ubuntu sdk on elementary os?
[07:09] <casimir> i cant upgrade now
[07:09] <Abhijit> or is it limited to pure ubuntu only?
[07:10] <cfhowlett> Abhijit, you should ask that elementary channel that question
[07:10] <casimir> I'' try the installer on rapid7 site
[07:10] <somsip> JokesOnYOu77: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6697753/difference-between-single-and-double-quotes-in-bash NB: "And, when history expansion is enabled, '!'
[07:10] <Abhijit> cfhowlett, if its limited to ubuntu by design then how can elementary guys will help?
[07:11] <cfhowlett> Abhijit, suggestion was due to elementary OS being NON-supported in this channel
[07:11] <nylar> casimir, #metasploit
[07:11] <Abhijit> cfhowlett, i am not talking about elementary os.
[07:11] <nylar> you're in the wrong chan
[07:11] <nylar> :P
[07:11] <Abhijit> and i know where to go for elementary support.
[07:11] <cfhowlett> Abhijit, ?  "can I install ubuntu sdk on elementary os?"
[07:12] <Abhijit> cfhowlett, "can I install -> ""##UBUNTU SDK##""<- on elementary os?
[07:13] <JokesOnYOu77> somsip, Thank you
[07:13] <rww> Abhijit: You may or may not be able to. As far as I know it isn't officially supported, and we don't know what changes Elementary OS makes, so we can't say whether one of them affects compatibility with it.
[07:14] <somsip> JokesOnYOu77: np
[07:15] <Abhijit> rww, okey. thanks.
[07:18] <casimir> I dont know how to register at it :(
[07:18] <rww> !register | casimir
[07:20] <Guest15524> does any one know how to configure a scanner on ubuntu 13.10 ?
[07:21] <dwarder> Guest15524: it is imposible
[07:22] <dwarder> Guest15524: that phrase should motivate you to figure out how to do this ;)
[07:22] <Guest15524> dwarder, r u serious?
[07:22] <Ben64> !behelpful | dwarder
[07:22] <Guest15524> dwarder, :)
[07:23] <bazhang> !sane | Guest15524
[07:23] <Guest15524> Its a canon multifunction, i have configured the printer after downloading drivers from the official website
[07:23] <dwarder> Ben64: nah, joke are ok
[07:23] <dwarder> jokes
[07:23] <Ben64> dwarder: no, they aren't
[07:24] <bazhang> dwarder, not helpful nor welcome here
[07:24] <dwarder> this was a sarcasm
[07:24] <bazhang> Guest15524, please see the link the bot sent you for supported scanners
[07:25] <rww> dwarder: you're in a support channel, with a higher-than-normal amount of people who 1) don't speak English well enough to pick up on sarcasm, or 2) don't know enough about Ubuntu to understand jokes about it. Best to bear this in mind.
[07:26] <dwarder> rww: you just written more not helpful words that i did :)
[07:26] <Guest15524> bazhang, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SANE%20-%20Installing%20a%20scanner%20that%20isn%27t%20auto-detected
[07:26] <dwarder> wrote*
[07:28] <Guest15524> bazhang,this link says my scanner is supported http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html
[07:29] <bazhang> Guest15524, so try simplescan? or what else
[07:30] <Bray90820> How would I search text
[07:31] <cfhowlett> Bray90820, search  a document?
[07:32] <Bray90820> I'm not really sure
[07:32] <Bray90820> this is what it says
[07:33] <Bray90820> What is the difference between ‘search text’ and ‘search index’ commands? Identify the command used to invoke each of these searches
[07:34] <Guest15524> bazhang, sane-find-scanner does not detect scanner
[07:35] <bazhang> Guest15524, what about simplescan and others
[07:36] <Guest15524> bazhang, simple scan doesn;t detect either
[07:36] <dwarder> how you live without jokes in this chan?
[07:36] <bazhang> dwarder, #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[07:37] <cfhowlett> dwarder, #offtopic is where you want to be if you need to be entertained.  For ubuntu support, stay here and on-topic
[07:37] <dwarder> m'kay
[07:38] <Humani> Hey guys. How can I show the files which were recently changed?
[07:39] <JokesOnYou77> Hi all. I'm looking at booting an ISO from GRUB; is there a difference between findiso=foo and iso-scan/filename=foo  ?
[07:39] <somsip> Humani: starter for you: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16085958/scripts-find-the-files-have-been-changed-in-last-24-hours
[07:40] <Humani> somsip: But find is a problem for me as the files are on NFS.
[07:41] <dwarder> is there an analogous to apache's a2enmod but for php modules in ubuntu? i should i just edit php.ini
[07:41] <dwarder> Or should *
[07:41] <somsip> Humani: apparently indexing might be helpful if it's turned on. But I don't really know
[07:42] <Humani> somsip: Can you explain what indexing is and how to turn it on?
[07:42] <ikonia> dwarder: php.ini is just a text file and should be treated like that
[07:42] <dwarder> ikonia: same for apache.conf, so why a2enmod exist?
[07:43] <viky>  I need to list all files, which are on NFS and were changed last Friday (answer me in Personal Message)
[07:43] <gordonjcp> !pm | viky
[07:43] <ikonia> dwarder: enabling/disabling the modules, it's just a tool trying to be helpful, I don't see a purpose for it, but others find it useful, more so with ubuntus modular layout for apache
[07:44] <dwarder> ikonia: yes, and my question was?
[07:44] <ikonia> dwarder: you asked if there was a tool for php.ini - the answer is "no"
[07:44] <dwarder> ikonia: thanks
[07:45] <somsip> Humani: no idea. Looks like a windows thing.
[07:45] <JokesOnYou77> dwarder: I use vim or nano for my php.ini  Not sure that helps but I figured it was worth a shot
[07:47] <Humani> Can you tell me where all the gnome / gnome-shell configuration files lie?
[07:47] <Abhijit> Humani, ~/.config
[07:47] <lschuetze> Hi, when Ubuntu is switching to Mir and I have an application using Wayland will it still run on Ubuntu (e.g., is there an MirWayland or something similar)?
[07:47] <rileyvrh> ok my compiler is working .. i must have downloaded a bad file before
[07:48] <somsip> !mir | lschuetze (we can't answer that as it't not released yet)
[07:48] <dwarder> JokesOnYou77: right, i would do so with vim also, i was just wondering if ubuntu uses special utilities to do so, and if they had it, i would use it instead, 'cause ubuntu would think it is the prefered way to do this
[07:49] <hanasaki> in kde how do you setup wifi?
[07:49] <cfhowlett> !mir|lschuetze,
[07:50] <que1> hello, I've seen people to use ";" between commands in bash, and it acts similarly to "&&". For example "mkdir test ; cd test" would do the same as "mkdir test && cd test". Are they the completely same in bash? (; and &&)
[07:51] <somsip> que1: && will only run the second command if the first completes ok AIUI
[07:51] <rileyvrh> ok have a question .. is the sound vard driver for a sound card a generic in ubuntu? or do you always have to use some kind of sound equilizer to improve the sound?
[07:51] <lschuetze> Okay, the answer was in the specs site. Thank you.
[07:52] <que1> and what about ';' somsip?
[07:52] <rww> que1: ; means "do this command, then do this other command". && means "do this command, and if it completes successfully do this other command"
[07:53] <viky> any one can help me to diasable usb ports in ubuntu
[07:53] <randomite> hello folks. has anyone been able to get conkey-manager installed on 13.1 branch?
[07:53] <que1> thank you rww, nice to know it now
[07:54] <ikonia> viky: why do you want to disable them - for what reason ?
[07:54] <JokesOnYou77> dwarder: good call.  But in general all linux configuration files are created and managed as simple text files. Which is part of the appeal :)
[07:55] <helmut_> hi
[07:56] <Bray90820> What command would i use to list of all pages and concepts in the manual
[07:56] <ikonia> do you mean in the "man" pages ?
[07:56] <Bray90820> yes
[07:56] <ikonia> Bray90820: there isn't one command, you need to use topions such as -k for keywords etc
[07:56] <ikonia> use "options"
[07:56] <Bray90820> hum oh well
[07:56] <cfhowlett> Bray90820, I think it's man man
[07:57] <Bray90820> idk
[07:57] <Bray90820> i give up
[07:57] <JokesOnYou77> Bray90820: That's a lot of pages.  there isn't a single command but you can try a web based manual: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/dir_all_by_section.html
[07:58] <Bray90820> here is the question that was given me
[07:58] <Bray90820> What is the difference between ‘search text’ and ‘search index’ commands? Identify the command used to invoke each of these searches in your answer.
[07:59] <ikonia> Bray90820: is this some sort of home work ?
[07:59] <somsip> Bray90820: is this homework?
[07:59] <Bray90820> yes
[07:59] <ikonia> talk to your teacher than
[07:59] <dwarder> does pinba has an url bindings like localhost/phpmyadmin     i.e. localhost/pinba
[07:59] <ikonia> then
[08:00] <Bray90820> i would talk to the teacher but she never got back to me
[08:00] <bazhang> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130204163102AAs5Y7e Bray90820
[08:00] <ikonia> Bray90820: talk to your head master then,
[08:00] <cfhowlett> Bray90820, wait , so you expect us to do your homework?  Not happening
[08:01] <Bray90820> it was 1 question
[08:01] <bazhang> he got the answer, lets move on please
[08:01] <bazhang> see the link I gave you Bray90820
[08:01] <Humani> In which gnome-configuration file can I set the wallpaper?
[08:01] <Bray90820> bazhang: i saw it and it helped a lot
[08:02] <JokesOnYou77> I personally think it's silly not to help people with homework. The purpose is for you to learn and if you're not finding it in the course material this is clearly a good place to go to find information, just like any other source.  Unfortunately, I don't know the answer :P
[08:02] <cfhowlett> Bray90820, perhaps the #ubuntu-offtopic channel might help you - we
[08:02] <Bray90820> JokesOnYou77: cfhowlett thank you
[08:02] <Jakey> hi i need help
[08:02] <CountryfiedLinux> Will there be an official Mate edition of Ubuntu 14.10?
[08:03] <cfhowlett> Bray90820, no problem
[08:03] <cfhowlett> !mate
[08:03] <CountryfiedLinux> Looks like Mate 1.8 is just about finished :)
[08:03] <Jakey> i want to upgrade to php 5.3
[08:03] <Jakey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[08:03] <ikonia> CountryfiedLinux: mate edition of ubuntu ? where is tht ?
[08:03] <Jakey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6947599/
[08:03] <Jakey> thats the log
[08:03] <Jakey> i get
[08:03] <somsip> Jakey: what version of ubuntu?
[08:03] <Jakey> it keeps installing php 5.2
[08:03] <ikonia> Jakey: supported ubuntu distros use later than php 5.3 by default
[08:03] <Jakey> please help
[08:03] <Jakey> 12.04
[08:03] <somsip> !info php5 precise | Jakey
[08:03] <ikonia> Jakey: 12.04 uses later than 5.2
[08:04] <Jakey> please help
[08:04] <Jakey> its urgent
[08:04] <cfhowlett> Jakey, try the paste again with the actual link
[08:04] <CountryfiedLinux> There is none "officially" ikonia but Mate can be installed and Mint is Ubuntu based and has a Mate edition. I'm hoping Ubuntu has an officially supported Mate edition though.
[08:04] <Jakey> cfhowlett:??
[08:04] <somsip> CountryfiedLinux: apparantly it will from 14.04
[08:04] <ikonia> it's got karmic repos
[08:04] <Jakey> what?
[08:04] <ikonia> and precise ones
[08:04] <ikonia> your mahine is a mess
[08:04] <cfhowlett> Jakey, there it is.  nvm
[08:04] <ikonia> damn lag, machine
[08:04] <CountryfiedLinux> Great news somsip :D thanks
[08:05] <Jakey> ikonia: uses later than 5.2?
[08:05] <Jakey> cfhowlett:
[08:05] <Jakey> ??
[08:05] <ikonia> Jakey: look at your paste - you have precise and karmic repos
[08:05] <Jakey> i don't get you guys
[08:05] <Jakey> ikonia: how do i fix this
[08:05] <Jakey> :(
[08:05] <Jakey> please its urgent
[08:05] <ikonia> Jakey: I wouldn't suggest trying to - I'd suggest doing a clean 12.04 install
[08:05] <Jakey> i'm a centos fan
[08:05] <Jakey> not ubuntu
[08:05] <ikonia> Jakey: that will be your quickest way to a stble build
[08:06] <Jakey> ikonia: thats not an option ikonia
[08:06] <Jakey> how can i update using the precise repo
[08:06] <Jakey> i want to update to php 5.3
[08:07] <cfhowlett> Jakey, perhaps you'd be happier using centos then?
[08:07] <Jakey> cfhowlett: i can't
[08:07] <ikonia> Jakey: if it is urgent it is your only oiption
[08:07] <ikonia> option
[08:07] <Jakey> ikonia: what is the other options of not reinstalling
[08:08] <Jakey> can't i fix the repo
[08:08] <ikonia> Jakey: if it is urgent - it is your only option
[08:08] <Jakey> okay not that urgent
[08:08] <ikonia> Jakey: then you are wasting my time with lies
[08:08] <Jakey> ikonia: i need help
[08:08] <Jakey> ikonia: what is the problem i wan to update to 5.3
[08:09] <ikonia> Jakey: yes, and you are telling lies about wha tyou need
[08:09] <randomite> after adding the ppa key using sudo apt-add-repository -y ppa:teejee2008/ppa , running an apt-get update, and then running apt-get install conky-manager, i get an unable to locate
[08:09] <Jakey> ikonia: i just want to update from 5.2 to 5.3
[08:09] <ikonia> Jakey: repeating it doesn't change it
[08:09] <Jakey> ikonia: should i reompile from soruce
[08:09] <randomite> is this happening for anyone else? is there a reason the PPA isnt working for me? I can SEE it (visually, on the webpage)
[08:09] <ikonia> Jakey: no
[08:10] <Jakey> ikonia: did you see the log
[08:10] <Jakey> ikonia: it mention 5.3
[08:10] <Jakey> ikonia: how can i use that repo
[08:10] <ikonia> Jakey: yes, thats how I gave you advice and spotted your problem
[08:11] <Jakey> ikonia: so i don't want to reinstall
[08:11] <Jakey> ikonia: it has lots other data on it
[08:11] <Jakey> ikonia: its hosting multple site
[08:11] <Jakey> help
[08:12] <cfhowlett> !patience|Jakey,
[08:13] <Jakey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6947599/
[08:13] <Jakey> help need to update to 5.3
[08:13] <ikonia> repeating it doesn't change it
[08:13] <Jakey> so whats the problem?
[08:13] <ikonia> Jakey: I've told you the problem
[08:13] <Jakey> so what is the problem why is it not getting the latest version
[08:13] <elky> karmic? are you serious?
[08:13] <cfhowlett> !karmic
[08:13] <somsip> Jakey: who administered this server before you?
[08:14] <elky> why is karmic in your repository list?
[08:14] <Jakey> some dude
[08:14] <rww> lol package pinning
[08:14] <Jakey> so who do i fix this
[08:14] <ikonia> Jakey: as I've told you 3 times - your machine is screwed, you've mixed repos
[08:14]  * cfhowlett begins to suspect this thread
[08:14] <ikonia> Jakey: if this is a serious machine and it's urgent as you said, you NEED to resinstall to get to a sane working system
[08:14] <somsip> Jakey: he's pinned the version of php5 as an out of date package on a version that is no longer supported. Try unpinning php5 (look it up) and then retry. NO guarantees as your systems is a mess
[08:14] <cfhowlett> this ^^^
[08:15] <Jakey> somsip: thatnks bro
[08:15] <somsip> !pinning | Jakey
[08:15] <Jakey> somsip: i'll try
[08:15] <randomite> empty room. goodbye nobody.
[08:15] <ikonia> do not unpin
[08:15] <ikonia> your repos are mixed
[08:15] <ikonia> it will screw it
[08:15] <ikonia> ahh never mind, carry on
[08:15] <Jakey> ikonia: huh?
[08:15] <somsip> Jakey: but 'some dude' has dropped you in it. the server is a mess. Anything could happen.
[08:16] <Jakey> somsip: so what will happen if i upin it
[08:16] <somsip> Jakey: you should probably look for other pinned packages too, and wonder why he pinned them
[08:16] <somsip> Jakey: no idea. I don't let my servers get into that mess
[08:16] <hanasaki> how do I find the bluetooth hardware on the system?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> !bluetooth
[08:18] <Jakey> somsip: theres no instuction for unpinning
[08:19] <somsip> Jakey: yes there is. Under 'removing a hold'. But if you can't find that, you are probably setting yourself up for a world of hurt...
[08:19] <Jakey> somsip: oh i just passed that
[08:20] <Jakey> somsip: so i should do "apt-mark unhold php5"
[08:20] <Jakey> ?
[08:20] <Jakey> is it the right command
[08:20] <ppcsee> .
[08:21] <hanasaki> motherboard is supposed to have bluetooth on it... how do I find the hardware?
[08:21] <Jakey> apt-mark unhold php5
[08:21] <Jakey> php5 was already not hold.
[08:21] <Jakey> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:21] <Jakey> what happen?
[08:21] <somsip> Jakey: I'm not going to hand-hold you through this. If you are doing server admin on a machine hosting multiple sites with lots of data on it, you should be absolutely sure what you are doing. It doesn't seem like you are
[08:21] <ikonia> your machine is BROKE
[08:21] <ikonia> I don't have any simpler way of saying it
[08:22] <CountryfiedLinux> Sorry about your damn luck boy...
[08:23] <Jakey> somsip:
[08:23] <Jakey> apt-mark unhold php5
[08:23] <Jakey> php5 was already not hold.
[08:23] <Jakey> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:23] <Jakey> i got that error
[08:23] <ikonia> stop repeating things
[08:23] <somsip> Jakey: I know. I read it. Did you read what I said?
[08:23] <ikonia> it doesn't change the advice you are given
[08:24] <Jakey> somsip: i don't use ubuntu that much
[08:24] <Jakey> i use centos
[08:24] <Jakey> somsip: so. what should i do next
[08:25] <ikonia> Jakey:if you use centos you would be abe to grasp the simple fact of not mixing repos
[08:25] <ikonia> so the fact that you say you can use centos suggests you can't use centos either
[08:25] <ikonia> j	youve got the same as mixing a centos 4 repo on a centos 6 mahinchine
[08:25] <Jakey> ikonia: why would i do that
[08:25] <ikonia> and you dont seem to be able to grasp - it's a real problem
[08:26] <ikonia> Jakey: you wouldn't do that, that's the point - you souldn't do it - but you've done it on your ubuntu machine
[08:26] <Jakey> ikonia: i didn't
[08:26] <Jakey> ikonia: some one else did
[08:26] <ikonia> Jakey: it's there !
[08:26] <ikonia> I can see it
[08:26] <ikonia> this is a waste of itme
[08:26] <ikonia> time
[08:27] <cfhowlett> I seem to recall seeing this EXACT thread not long ago ... with the same outcome
[08:27] <Jakey> cfhowlett: what was the outcome
[08:30] <Jakey> heyyyee
[08:31] <Caterpillar2> I have never seen in all my life 1600 users in a single IRC channel
[08:31] <cfhowlett> !server|Jakey,
[08:31] <Gallomimia> well that can't be true cause you're seeing it right now
[08:33] <Jakey> Gallomimia: ??
[08:33] <Jakey> Gallomimia: troll
[08:33] <Gallomimia> sorry jakey i was directing that to Caterpillar2
[08:33] <ikonia> enough
[08:33]  * Jakey currently is not in the mood for troll
[08:33] <cfhowlett> !behelpful|Jakey,
[08:34] <Gallomimia> am now ready to reinstall ubuntu onto a new raid configuration. i've heard the best way to do this is during the installer?
[08:34] <ikonia> Jakey: enough now - you're causing more of a problem than anyone in the channel, so please think about your next interaction
[08:34] <Jakey> Gallomimia: use centos
[08:34] <Jakey> Gallomimia: for server
[08:34] <Gallomimia> i'm not running a server
[08:35] <Gallomimia> thanks
[08:35] <cfhowlett> ikonia, and THAT was the outcome last time.
[08:35] <cfhowlett> Gallomimia, ignore.
[08:35] <cfhowlett> !raid
[08:35] <Gallomimia> i've been internet chatting for a long time :) it never bothers me
[08:35] <Gallomimia> hey this is a good link thanks
[08:36] <cfhowlett> Gallomimia, hope you find the answer there.
[08:36] <Gallomimia> i've been following some suggestions from someone... uh his name was nevyn
[08:43] <aidalgol> How do I find out which device grub is currently installed on?  Or rather, how do I find out which device I should pass to grub-install?  (I've just run update-grub to update the config after installing a secondary OS.)
[08:44] <geirha> aidalgol: Usually, you want it on the first harddrive (/dev/sda, hd0)
[08:45] <irssi-mike> aidalgol: well master boot record. if you sudo fdisk -l you should find sda1 sda2 that kind of thing then install geirha said to /dev/sda typically
[08:45] <aidalgol> Is that still true when using EFI?
[08:46] <aidalgol> I know you pass /dev/sda or hd0 when using the msdos partition table, but my new PC is using UEFI.
[08:48] <geirha> Haven't had the pleasure of dealing with EFI yet, so I'll back away here
[08:49] <irssi-mike> aidalgol: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[08:54] <aidalgol> Huh, it seems that my system installed in legacy mode, i.e. not using EFI.
[08:54] <irssi-mike> aidalgol: good then you don't need to install in efi mode
[08:55] <aidalgol> Does it make any difference once the OS has been booted?  Do I lose some motherboard features?
[08:56] <Jeffthen> Hey guys. In which configuratino file can I disable the xscreensaver?
[08:57] <irssi-mike> aidalgol: do you have a over 2.2tb?
[08:57] <aidalgol> no
[08:57] <czardoz> Jeffthen: you could just uninstall it, right?
[08:58] <irssi-mike> i suppose you lose pre-boot networking and some fast boot things, secureboot.. idk what these are tbh
[08:58] <artienne> i'm having a minor issue with my wifi connection - there seems to be a regular (possibly network-manager based) scan happening about every two  minutes  that's causing high ping times to my router - any ideas on how to either prevent the scans or increase the delay between them?
[08:58] <Jeffthen> czardoz: But I don't want to uninstall it. So is there any configuration parameter and file for turning off the xscreensaver?
[08:59] <irssi-mike> aidalgol: i'd install it but then it's like exhaust reflow on a car, one more thing that can go wrong
[09:00] <czardoz> Jeffthen: Sorry, can't help you then.
[09:00] <humbag> Jeffthen: use the program xscreensaver-demo to configure it, or change mode: to none in ~/.xscreensaver, but where is it started?
[09:01] <aidalgol> Considering an EFI partition has to be FAT32, I think I'll leave it. :P
[09:01] <Jeffthen> humbag: OK I want to use my own images for xscreensaver. How can I do that?
[09:02] <cfhowlett> Jeffthen, see the xscreensaver settings -you can direct to your image file
[09:02] <humbag> Jeffthen: you can choose that in the config program I mentioned, are you sure you mean xscreensaver and not gnome-screensaver?
[09:03] <Jeffthen> humbag: So can I turn off the screensaver via changing the mode to "none"?
[09:05] <humbag> Jeffthen: if you don't want it to start, don't start it, the config just changes what it does
[09:05] <Jeffthen> humbag: Yeah. Even if I do "xset s off" the "xscreensaver" process is still running. Why?
[09:07] <humbag> Jeffthen: i think xset is X power management, xscreensaver has it's own daemon
[09:08] <humbag> Jeffthen: often the motherboard and/or screen also have power management features
[09:14] <basichash> My laptop won't play media sound. The speakers never worked, but headphones did. Sometimes I used to have to hibernate and unhibernate to get that sound working, but now the only sound I get is the turning on beep. Lenovo Edge E320, 13.10
[09:14] <jack> why is saucy so silent...no updates for days?
[09:14] <ikonia> updates only when needed
[09:15] <jack> i'm running linuxmint 16, uses saucy...i'm just surprised :P
[09:15] <cfhowlett> !mint|jack,
[09:16] <jack> heh, yeah
[09:16] <basichash> fixed
[09:16] <Oddly> basichash: how?
[09:18] <basichash> Oddly: for some reason default sound went back to HDMI, just had to change current back to headphone
[09:18] <jack> i have an installed xubuntu-trusty, too
[09:18] <jack> but somehow its connectivity broke
[09:18] <Gallomimia> can anyone suggest something i could do to my cpu that would make it heat up a little bit? i have 8 cores and just redid the thermal paste on it, and would like to see if it's working decently
[09:18] <jack> libnm-glib something
[09:18] <ikonia> jack: tat seems very very unwise
[09:19] <ikonia> jack: you are not meant to mix distributions
[09:19] <rww> Gallomimia: eight copies of "yes > /dev/null"
[09:19] <ikonia> jack: you've probably created a real problem
[09:19] <Gallomimia> heh. gross. i suppose, i'll try it with 4
[09:19] <jack> i'm not mixing anything
[09:19] <ikonia> jack: really ?
[09:19] <ikonia> jack: I thought you said you'd installed trust packages ?
[09:19] <ikonia> jack: or have I miss-understood
[09:20] <jack> only explained why i'm not using that xubuntu anymore
[09:20] <Oddly> Gallomimia: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null bs=1024
[09:20] <ikonia> jack: have you installed trusty packages ?
[09:20] <jack> nope
[09:20] <ikonia> jack: then where did you install xubuntu trusty ?
[09:20] <jack> on the trusty-install, sure
[09:20] <ikonia> oh, seperate installs
[09:20] <Oddly> Gallomimia: or cpuburn, cpulimit
[09:20] <Gallomimia> 3 copies of yes > /dev/null is working just fine
[09:20] <ikonia> sorry, I thought you where saying this was one install
[09:21] <rww> or boinc :3
[09:21] <jack> on this mint16? nope
[09:21] <rww> or cgminer!
[09:21] <Gallomimia> cgminer doesn't do much to the cpu
[09:21] <ikonia> jack: mint ??? you are aware this channel is for ubuntu stable plaform discussion
[09:21] <Gallomimia> even the old version i have that runs on gpu. i have no copy of it which uses cpu
[09:21] <ikonia> jack: not 14.04 or mint discussion ?
[09:21] <jack> sure
[09:21] <rww> Gallomimia: ah, thought there was a cpu switch for it
[09:21] <ikonia> jack: ok, so which part of what you where talking about is the ubuntu issue ?
[09:21] <rww> were *
[09:22] <ikonia> just so I'm clear as I'm struggling to put it together
[09:22] <jack> it's just that ubuntu-saucy is my main apt source ;)
[09:22] <Gallomimia> yeah. i've not had any luck trying to compile it myself
[09:22] <ikonia> jack: are you using ubuntu or mint ?
[09:22] <Gallomimia> tho doing so would likely use my cpu pretty hard ;)
[09:22] <jack> wondered why it seems so dead right now
[09:22] <ikonia> jack: are you using ubuntu or mint ?
[09:23] <jack> ikonia, mint16
[09:23] <Gallomimia> um... so i have 3 sensors plus the cpu sensor for temp which psensor picks up. anyone know how i can identify which ones the others correlate to??
[09:23] <ikonia> jack: ok, so the discussion should be in the mint irc resources, as it's not just ubuntu they use
[09:23] <ikonia> jack: update policies should be taken up with the mint team
[09:23] <jack> mmh
[09:23] <Gallomimia> i also see 5 fanspeed sensors and can only find 3 on the mobo
[09:26] <babinlonston> Hi all, I have added this in crontab, using crontab -e -u sysadmin, 30 15 * * * rsync -avz --progress --exclude samba /home/sysadmin/ sysadmin@192.168.0.15:/home/sysadmin/babinlonston/rsync/  but its not taking backup , whats wrong im doing ?
[09:26] <ikonia> babinlonston: you'd be bettter putting that in a script - testig the script, then getting crontab to run it
[09:26] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: there are no environment variables in cron, including $PATH so you need to write the full path of rsync
[09:27] <Gallomimia> and yeah. script files are better
[09:27] <rww> ... what
[09:27] <babinlonston> let me check using a script
[09:27] <Gallomimia> beyond that making cron do stuff eludes me too
[09:27] <rww> you don't need to write the full path of rsync in scripts at all
[09:27] <Gallomimia> it's not a script, it's a cronjob
[09:27] <ikonia> err you will do if PATH is not set
[09:28] <rww> ikonia: is that a thing that happens in cron on Ubuntu?
[09:28] <ikonia> rww: no, the default profile is quite weak
[09:28] <ikonia> hence putting it in a script that you can set the vars needed and do error capture would work better
[09:28] <rww> huh. weird.
[09:29] <Gallomimia> i heard it was a general cron thing. i know very little on the subject so i'm happy to hear you guys talk more about it
[09:29] <rww> well, over in Debianland it works just fine without fully-specified paths :\
[09:30] <Oddly> babinlonston: http://askubuntu.com/questions/23009/reasons-why-crontab-does-not-work
[09:30] <Gallomimia> hm. that's interesting
[09:30] <Night-hacks> My old command are gone from bash_history how can i make my bash_history to save commands forever ?
[09:30] <Night-hacks> commands*
[09:31] <Oddly> babinlonston: you could try defining PATH in the crontab file like the link shows
[09:31] <Gallomimia> that will use up disk space at a pretty alarming rate
[09:31] <ikonia> no it won't
[09:32] <ikonia> its just a text file
[09:32] <Gallomimia> i go thru my hundred line default in a few hours... depends how often you use bash i guess
[09:33] <Gallomimia> but you're right. disks the size they are now "alarming" doesn't apply anymore
[09:33] <jack> deb http://tux.rainside.sk/ubuntu/ saucy main restricted universe multiverse
[09:33] <jack> deb http://tux.rainside.sk/ubuntu/ saucy-updates main restricted universe multi$
[09:33] <jack> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-security main restricted universe $
[09:33] <jack> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ saucy partner
[09:33] <jack> can i simply replace saucy with trusty?
[09:33] <ikonia> no
[09:34] <ikonia> as I told you - don't mix repos
[09:34] <ikonia> jack: take this to mint support
[09:34] <jack> if i want to dist-upgrade
[09:34] <ikonia> jack: mint support
[09:34] <jack> kk
[09:34] <Gallomimia> it's somewhere in man bash right? history limit or something
[09:38] <Oddly> Gallomimia: bash history setting is stored in .bash_profile
[09:39] <Lachezar> Hey all! I get APPARMOR DENIED for mysqld on /home/lachezar/.my.cnf. Why does 'mysqld' want access to my configuration?
[09:40] <Lachezar> Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS
[09:40] <Lachezar> Server
[09:41] <ikonia> Lachezar: that's not where the my.cnf is
[09:41] <ikonia> (or should be)
[09:42] <Lachezar> ikonia: That is my 'personal' configuration, that is used to remember various 'client' settings. I do have /etc/mysql/my.cnf, but that's NOT what mysqld is being denied access to.
[09:42] <ikonia> mysqld should not be reading that if it's for your client
[09:43] <Lachezar> ikonia: My point exactly!
[09:43] <ikonia> mysqld should not be reading your client config
[09:43] <Lachezar> ikonia: But I get: [472243.269182] type=1400 audit(1391085210.436:23): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=17566 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/home/lachezar/.my.cnf" pid=17674 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=1005
[09:44] <ikonia> Lachezar: maybe worth looking at the init script to see if that checks known locations for mysql config files
[09:44] <ikonia> then log a bug to say it shouldn't be reading client / personal files
[09:44] <ganden-pecah23> hemh... berbahasa inggris
[09:44] <Lachezar> ikonia: I'm wondering… Could it be due to a 'sudo apt-get upgrade' that restarted mysql?
[09:45] <ikonia> Lachezar: why would that be /?
[09:45] <Gallomimia> it would obviously read its configs right? but the discussion so far is that it shouldn't be reading configs out of your home dir
[09:46] <Lachezar> ikonia: It's a 5 second period where I see 5 of these in the dmesg log. Then 2 seconds later I see '... operation="profile_replace" name="/usr/sbin/mysqld"'
[09:46] <ArSn> hi
[09:46] <ikonia> Lachezar: I'd check what I said earlier
[09:46] <cpd> Hi
[09:46] <Lachezar> Gallomimia: Yes, the daemon is working, seems the configuration is OK, but I'm wondering why it would even attempt to read my personal configuration file.
[09:46] <ArSn> If I have a cronjob that is ran as root, and I did not redirect the STDOUT anywhere, is it still written anywhere? in a logfile or something?
[09:47] <Guest88864> Can anyone help with a rather long freeze after login : Using Ubuntu 1310 GNOME 3.10
[09:47] <Gallomimia> can't think of why it would! should be under a different user, and therefore won't even have normal permissions to that file?
[09:48] <Lachezar> ikonia: It seems this has been converted to an upstart job (/etc/init.d/mysql says so). Where would I find the actual script?
[09:48] <cpd> I've been attempt to install Ubuntu along side Windows 8 and have finally managed to get into Ubuntu using "Try Ubuntu" from a USB. I've now come to the stage where I need to setup my Ubuntu partition. Having already created a partition, I'm now stuck on what to MOUNT on. I'm afraid that mounting the root (/) will cause Windows 8 to erase which I don't want.
[09:48] <cpd> Can someone explain what the mounting will do exactklty?
[09:49] <Gallomimia> mounting is simply the act of attaching the filesystem to your computer. it can be done read-only or read and write. it doesn't really modify anything until you start asking it to change select files
[09:50] <Gallomimia> cpd it's like "insert a cd" that will mount it. plug in a flash drive. that will mount it
[09:51] <Gallomimia> i should suggest that you do a little more reading on the install process. usually the adding of partitions is done during the install, from within the installer
[09:51] <Gallomimia> i should also suggest caution, because there's options to erase your whole win8 partition, and therefore you should have a backup before proceding
[09:52] <cpd> Yes I've read a lot of guides
[09:52] <Oddly> cpd: normally, there is an option ¨install alongside windows 8¨, which should take care without you having to touch anything
[09:53] <cpd> None of them really explain WHAT the mounting will do but merely say: "Do this". The biggest problem I've encountered is the UEFI thing and Secure Boot. Having dealt with all that, and created an unallocated partition for Ubuntu via Win8 as recommended in the guides, I now need to ensure I mount stuff correctly without overwriting Win8... (cont)
[09:54] <Gallomimia> think of mounting a disk as like another word for opening it
[09:54] <Gallomimia> you mount a partition if you want your computer to access the files upon it
[09:54] <Gallomimia> let's see....
[09:55] <cpd> I understand mounting now, thank you. I'm still unsure if I should mount the root (/) to my free space? I assume yes. I've gone through the ubuntu installation process and selected the "Something else" option that allowed me to review the partitions. Assuming this is the correct way to avoid overwriting Win8, can someone confirm the root (/) should now be mounted on a newly created partition
[09:55] <cpd> (ex4 format on the unallocated space) ?
[09:55] <Gallomimia> does this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[09:56] <Gallomimia> what you're describing is not mounting
[09:56] <cpd> I'm explicitly referring to the "Mount on:" option when creating partitions...
[09:56] <Oddly> yes cpd, the root (/) is approximately the equivalent to your computer in windows, everything is created within root
[09:56] <cpd> Hence the use of the word mount
[09:57] <irssi-mike> cpd: do you see anything in there saying NTFS? avoid installing to that and should be fine
[09:57] <Oddly> cpd: http://askubuntu.com/questions/345640/what-mount-point-should-i-use
[09:57] <Gallomimia> you want to write the root partition to the free space. you'll probably also get a partition for swap. you have the option of more partitions for mountpoints like /home and /boot or various other things that are important only if you have a special reason to do it. i don't think you do. then when your computer boots, it MOUNTS those partitions at the places specified by "mount on:"
[09:58] <Gallomimia> that's a good article i think oddly posted
[09:58] <Guest88864> whats the best way to create a new partition?
[09:58] <Gallomimia> cpd the installer should set all of this up for you automatically
[09:58] <Oddly> Guest88864: best for what?
[09:58] <Gallomimia> depends why you want a new partition
[09:58] <saravana> where do i find md5s for all isos?
[09:58] <Guest88864> I'd like to create a Partition to store movies and downloads etc
[09:59] <irssi-mike> yeah there's an along side option ain't there
[09:59] <saravana> specially 13.10 64 bit
[09:59] <cpd> Its not given me the automated option unforunately. Having read over the linked articles I'm now confident in what I need to do. Will post shortly with the outcome
[09:59] <Gallomimia> saravana: usually from the place you downloaded the iso
[09:59] <babinlonston> This working fine while i execute it every time manually, rsync -avz --progress --delete --log-file=/home/sysadmin/Desktop/$(date +%d%m%Y)_rsync.log --exclude samba /home/sysadmin/ sysadmin@192.168.0.15:/home/sysadmin/babinlonston/rsync/  , but if i added to a script and put it in cron its not working
[09:59] <Oddly> cpd: great!
[09:59] <Guest88864> so that if the partition with my OS fails I can reinstall the OS and the Parition with the media in it can be accessed without loss
[09:59] <cpd> I'll probably include SWAP as well#
[09:59] <saravana> Gallomimia, my eyes are not working properly. please read me the md5 from the page http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads thats where i downloaded torrent file.
[10:00] <Oddly> babinlonston: how frequently qre you running that script?
[10:00] <Gallomimia> cpd: good luck! remember... if you don't have data backed up, it means you aren't worried about losing it
[10:00] <cpd> Its a brand new laptop, there's no data to backuop
[10:00] <cpd> :D
[10:00] <irssi-mike> Guest88864: some people put /home on another slice
[10:00] <Guest88864> I want it separate from /home
[10:01] <babinlonston> Oddly: im using in cron * * * * * /root/backup.sh for checking im using for every minute
[10:01] <Guest88864> Completly separate Partition
[10:01] <sasa84> hello
[10:01] <Oddly> babilen:  can you post the exact cron timing code?
[10:01] <saravana> Gallomimia, ??
[10:01] <Oddly> babinlonston: can you post the exact cron timing code?
[10:01] <Gallomimia> saravana: from the page you linked go to "other images" click a mirror, click the release and version you want, find MD5 links there. for example: http://mirror.eftel.com/ubuntu-dvd/13.10/release/MD5SUMS
[10:01] <babinlonston> Oddly: yeap its here * * * * * /root/backup.sh
[10:02] <sasa84> does anyone know how to reset admin password for mailman (lists.ubuntu.com)? i'm admin i can't authentificate with my user pasword
[10:02] <Gallomimia> saravana: also, bittorrent has a hash feature built in.
[10:02] <saravana> Gallomimia, okey. thanks.
[10:02] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: every minute? that's going to be rough on the system i think
[10:03] <monzie> Hello everyone
[10:03] <Oddly> babinlonston: do you have a /root partition and can you check your backup.sh rights?
[10:03] <babinlonston> Gallomimia: just for testing purpose im using every minute
[10:03] <Oddly> hey monzie
[10:03] <Gallomimia> k
[10:03] <babinlonston> Oddly: yes its there
[10:03] <monzie> Oddly: Hi
[10:03] <monzie> How are you doing?
[10:04] <Oddly> babinlonston: chmod /root/backup.sh
[10:04] <Oddly> monzie: fine, thanks, hbu?
[10:04] <babinlonston> Oddly:  its already in 777
[10:04] <monzie> Oddly: pretty good, thank you.
[10:04] <babinlonston> Oddly: -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root  192 Feb 17 15:28 backup.sh
[10:04] <Gallomimia> cpd i hope you've made a win8 recovery dvd or something like that. incase things go awry
[10:05] <cpd> Erm
[10:05] <cpd> I've got an issue
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> babinlonston: thats really bad forsecurity
[10:05] <cfhowlett_> monzie, greetings
[10:05] <cpd> I kept getting it previously but managed to get rid of it by turning off "save state" option in windows 8. Its coming up with this: http://tinypic.com/r/2vtcv0m/8
[10:05] <babinlonston> ActionParsnip: then what i have to assign guide me
[10:06] <Ben64> why is the script in /root ?
[10:06] <Ben64> cpd: are you using wubi
[10:06] <cpd> no
[10:06] <cpd> Booting from a USB
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> babinlonston: the last octet gives you execute access, you can chmod 755 and then people cannot go editting your script unless they are root and anyone can execute it
[10:06] <cpd> Trying to anyway
[10:07] <Oddly> babinlonston: add this to the end of your command: 2>&1 /tmp/testlog.log
[10:07] <babinlonston> ActionParsnip: oh fine let me change it now
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> babinlonston: isd the top line of the file:   #!/bin/bash    ?
[10:07] <Oddly> then check that file in tmp
[10:07] <Oddly> after a few minutes
[10:07] <cpd> I get to the GNU GRUB window abnd select "Try ununtu" then it comes up with this
[10:07] <babinlonston> ActionParsnip: yes its there
[10:07] <babinlonston> Oddly: let me try ur's
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> cpd: did you test the ISO you used to create the USB stick?
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> babinlonston: do you even know what '777' means?
[10:07] <cpd> It worked a minute ago, and now doesn't
[10:08] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: yeah what ActionParsnip said is wise. that script is run by cron at given intervals. they could add anything they want to it if they gain access to the system. they could add mean things like rm -rf / or scp yourhomedir me@mycomputer or whatever
[10:08] <cpd> I got through to testing it
[10:08] <Gallomimia> and it would just get executed at the next backup interval
[10:08] <babinlonston> ActionParsnip: -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  214 Feb 17 15:38 backup.sh
[10:08] <babinlonston> ActionParsnip: yes i know just im doing for testing
[10:09] <Gallomimia> we still have the problem of cron not wanting to run it
[10:09] <babinlonston> ActionParsnip: read , write , execution , User , group , world
[10:09] <qwak> if anyone has files: Packages and Release for a repository http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise-updates/havana before last update, I did not do a backup and have to move back? or where can i found these files?
[10:09] <Oddly> can you post the script again please?
[10:09] <sploit_man> hi
[10:09] <sploit_man> i am securing a webserver
[10:09] <babinlonston> Oddly: asking me ?
[10:09] <Oddly> sorry babinlonston, yes
[10:09] <sploit_man> should i limit www-data to no shell access ?
[10:10] <Eleirs>  /j #ubuntu-it
[10:11] <babinlonston> Oddly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6948041/
[10:11] <Oddly> babinlonston: you tried the full path to the rsync yet?
[10:11] <sploit_man> anyone here ?
[10:11] <babinlonston> Oddly: ya this is the full path buddy
[10:12] <Gallomimia> no its not
[10:12] <Gallomimia> rsync is just one word. full path is what shows when you enter which rsync into a terminal
[10:12] <Oddly> babinlonston: /usr/bin/rsync is usually the full path
[10:12] <Oddly> babinlonston: do ´which rsync´ in a terminal and that´s your path
[10:13] <babinlonston> Oddly: yeap tried it too , and tried /bin/rsync too
[10:13] <Oddly> put /usr/bin/rsync in there
[10:13] <Oddly> babinlonston: just so you are sure it goes to the correct rsync
[10:13] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: have you considered the date as +%Y%m%d so that it makes your log files show in alphanumerical order when you type ls?
[10:14] <babinlonston> Oddly: while executing it manually working fine
[10:15] <Gallomimia> won't the --progress flag cause a kerfluffle since cron is not an interactive shell?
[10:15] <babinlonston> Gallomimia: just now i have modified it :D and - - delete not working
[10:15] <cpd> I;m stillg etting that error come up. I can't get rid of it now?
[10:15] <Oddly> babinlonston: try it with another time span?
[10:15] <cpd> Unable to mount root fs...
[10:16] <Oddly> cpd: reboot your laptop and try again
[10:16] <cpd> I've done it 3 times
[10:16] <cpd> It happens every time
[10:16] <cpd> I change dbios to Legacy
[10:16] <cpd> Still does it
[10:16] <Gallomimia> cpd you seem to be doing something strange. can we elaborate on why the installer won't do it automatically?
[10:16] <cpd> Oh wait, for some reason its decided to boot this time
[10:17] <cpd> Wait a few minutes and I'll tell you if it crashes out
[10:17] <cpd> It's so wierd, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn;'t
[10:17] <Gallomimia> intermittent problems. the most frustrating type. in any kind of troubleshooting, not just computers
[10:18] <cpd> Going through to install from "Try Unbunut" now
[10:18] <cpd> Installation type presents two options: "Erase disk and install ubuntu" clearly not what I want; "Something else" create partitions etc
[10:19] <Oddly> cpd: sorry, I haven´b been following wholly, you installed it yet?
[10:19] <babinlonston> Oddly: time stamp working fine and , just now i have executed and backups were done,
[10:19] <babinlonston> Oddly: Only i need to add it now in crontab
[10:20] <cpd> Nope, just doing the partition stuff and selecting the "Mount point". This is what I was referring to previously.
[10:20] <cpd> I've selected "free space" and am now creating a new partition of type Ext4 and Mounting point / (root)
[10:20] <cpd> Correct?
[10:20] <Gallomimia> sounds good so far
[10:21] <elliott-smith> hello
[10:21] <Gallomimia> hi
[10:21] <rabbitnightmare> test this only a test
[10:21] <rabbitnightmare> odd how come I cant send to Ubuntu-offtopic
[10:21] <irssi-mike> i'd notch off a few MB for swap
[10:21] <Oddly> babinlonston: cpd correct
[10:21] <Oddly> babinlonston: just a sec
[10:21] <cpd> Device for boot loader installation? Which partition?
[10:22] <babinlonston> ok
[10:22] <Gallomimia> uh...
[10:22] <babinlonston> Gallomimia: Now its Wright ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6948071/
[10:22] <Gallomimia> grub i guess. you want it on that drive, i didn't know it put it on a partition
[10:22] <cpd> Well
[10:22] <cpd> it doesn't say partition
[10:22] <cpd> the question it asks is "Device for boto loader installation:"
[10:22] <Gallomimia> that disk
[10:23] <irssi-mike> cpd: neither parition, install grub to master boot record
[10:23] <cpd> So /dev/sda
[10:23] <Gallomimia> the mbr is the first sector of the disk right?
[10:23] <irssi-mike> correct
[10:23] <cpd> Big error... (cont)
[10:24] <elliott-smith> yes gallomina, mbr is the 1st part of the disk
[10:24] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: it looks good to me. i'm still in question about --progress. and i'm wondering if you need to include h m s in the timestamp. more than one backup per day?
[10:24] <Oddly> babinlon, try * * * * * root /bin/bash /root/backup.sh
[10:24] <cpd> "The parition table format in use on your disks normally requires uyou to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as "Reserved BIOS bnoot area" and should be at least 1MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partiton mounted on /boot."
[10:24] <Oddly> hmm
[10:25] <babinlonston> Gallomimia: oh give me to add the time stamp too
[10:25] <Gallomimia> what partitioning scheme are you using cpd?
[10:25] <babinlonston> Oddly: yes just 2 min
[10:25] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: i think it's %H%m%s but let me check
[10:25] <elliott-smith> the slideshow still giving problems??
[10:25] <Oddly> cpd: would you like to follow a guide and tell us at which point in that guide something wrong happens?
[10:26] <Oddly> cpd: it´s easier to know what went wrong if we know exactly at which point you have done something
[10:26] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: sorry. %M is minute. %m is month
[10:26] <cpd> Gallomimia: Windows is on NTFS and I've created a partition for Ubuntun with format Ext4 and Mount point /.
[10:26] <Gallomimia> and capital %S too for 0-59 seconds
[10:26] <Gallomimia> that's not the partitioning scheme
[10:27] <cpd> Oddly: No guied that shows how to dual boot windows 8 with ubuntu goest his far, they seem to assume you know how to install Ubuntu after getting into the installation screens.
[10:27] <babinlonston> Oddly: no its not working buddy :(
[10:27] <Rory> cpd: If there's no option to automaticallt resize the Windows partition, it means you powered your computer off without shutting Windows down properly
[10:27] <Gallomimia> that's just the format of the partitions you've listed. the partitioning scheme defines how those partitions are described. MBR is a common type. there's other types
[10:27] <babinlonston> Gallomimia: ok let me fix this before jumping into it
[10:27] <Oddly> babinlonston: are you sure you have a partition /root/? it seems odd to me, / is mormally root
[10:27] <Rory> cpd: It can also mean your Windows partition needs to be chkdsk'd
[10:28] <cpd> yes
[10:28] <cpd> I have ./
[10:28] <Oddly> babinlonston: delete the ¨root¨ and try again
[10:28] <cpd> I have /
[10:28] <cpd> I don't have the word root in there
[10:28] <Gallomimia> babinlonston: suggested date format:   $(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S)
[10:28] <babinlonston> Oddly: its home directory of root user
[10:28] <cpd> Gallomimia: I've no idea what partiion scheme this is running. It came with Win8 installed (64bit) so whatever that uses
[10:29] <cfhowlett_> cpd, should be efi ...
[10:29] <Gallomimia> should tell you. consult the program "Disks" if you need to know
[10:29] <cpd> Yes its EFI if that's a scehem
[10:29] <cpd> But
[10:29] <cpd> I've gone back to Legacy
[10:29] <cpd> because EFI was fucking up
[10:29] <Gallomimia> right. so that needs a separate partition for grub right?
[10:29] <Oddly> babinlonston: try without the root, if that does not work, no idea
[10:29] <cpd> Possibly, the guide I looked at never mentioned another partition for GRUB
[10:30] <Gallomimia> efi is not a scheme. that's a bios
[10:30] <babinlonston> ok let me try
[10:30] <Gallomimia> GUID is another type of scheme
[10:30] <lifeboy> I installed a new 12.04 server in a VM and bash doesn't recognise "*" in commands.  I'm trying to "mv /var/www/bla/* /var/www" and get an error that /var/www/bla/* can be found?
[10:30] <lifeboy> can't be found
[10:31] <Oddly> cpd: read the first answer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-windows-8-64-bit-system-uefi-supported
[10:31] <cpd> I've followed that guide
[10:31] <cpd> that's the guide I've been using
[10:31] <Oddly> cpd: ok
[10:32] <cpd> I turned off fast startup
[10:32] <cpd> That allowed me to run Try ubuntu
[10:32] <Oddly> cpd: this one: http://www.simplehelp.net/2013/07/11/the-complete-guide-how-to-dual-boot-ubuntu-and-windows-8/
[10:32] <Gallomimia> why not click "install ubuntu" instead of try it?
[10:32] <lifeboy> I have googled high and low and can't find anything to enable/disable wildcard recognition... :-(
[10:33] <Ben64> lifeboy: it is more likely to be user error
[10:33] <cpd> Beacuse
[10:33] <cpd> The guide says try it first
[10:33] <cpd> No idea why, but all of them say try
[10:33] <cpd> somethign to do with UEFI I think
[10:34] <cpd> and EFI and Secure Boot and randoms hit like that
[10:34] <Gallomimia> k. i never followed any guides and i just installed ubuntu on a friend's laptop yesterday. i used install, and not try. indeed i had problems, but not like you're having
[10:34] <elliott-smith> change UEFI to Legacy
[10:34] <cpd> Basically, Microsoft are ass holes and have decided to take the control away from the user at first point
[10:34] <cpd> Already changed UEFI to legacy
[10:34] <Ben64> cpd: watch the language in this channel
[10:34] <cpd> Still presents some problem
[10:35] <Gallomimia> agreed. i erased the win8 partition on said laptop with great prejudice and satisfaction
[10:35] <Gallomimia> it got easier from that point :)
[10:35] <cpd> My PC is Windos
[10:35] <lifeboy> Ben64: Is this command invalid somehow? sudo mv /var/www/bla/ /var/www
[10:35] <Gallomimia> so was that one
[10:35] <cpd> So why the hell I'm trying to keep 8 I don't know
[10:35] <Gallomimia> was...
[10:36] <lifeboy> if /var/www/bla exists
[10:36] <Gallomimia> lifeboy: you need a trailing slash on the second argument
[10:36] <cpd> I should probably keep Windows on the PC and install ubuntun on the laptop... commit to Linux :D
[10:36] <Gallomimia> otherwise it's trying to overwrite www
[10:36] <cpd> Screw it, I'm deleeting windwos
[10:36] <cpd> Pile of rubbish
[10:36] <Ben64> lifeboy: it'd help if you explained exactly what you're trying to accomplish
[10:36] <Gallomimia> and given that you're trying to overwrite a dir with contents of the dir, it won't let you
[10:36] <Oddly> cpd: now we´re talking
[10:37] <Gallomimia> cpd watch this now you'll have no trouble going thru the steps and keeping the windows partition :P
[10:37] <cpd> If I remove Win8, does UEFI and all that stuff go with it?
[10:37] <Gallomimia> no
[10:37] <lifeboy> the error is: "mv: `/var/www/bla/' and `/var/www/bla' are the same file" regardless of whether I have a trailing / or not
[10:37] <cpd> No?
[10:37] <Gallomimia> i'm running ubuntu on a motherboard with uefi active right now
[10:37] <Ben64> lifeboy: because you're trying to move it to itself...
[10:37] <Gallomimia> typing to you and everything
[10:38] <cpd> Okay sweet
[10:38] <cpd> I'm going to format the disk and fresh install
[10:38] <Gallomimia> lifeboy: the SECOND argument. read man mv if you're having doubts
[10:38] <cpd> Remove everyhthing etc
[10:38] <lifeboy> Ben64: I simply want to move the contents of a directory to it's parent
[10:38] <Gallomimia> man mv is very clear on trailing slashes on destination
[10:38] <Ben64> lifeboy: mv /var/www/directory/* /var/www/
[10:39] <lifeboy> I think that's how I always done it... or is my mem failing
[10:39] <Gallomimia> if you move a dir to a dir and don't use a trailing slash, you are defining what that dir will be RENAMED or OVERWRITTEN to
[10:39] <cpd> The installer carshed due to a copy error
[10:39] <cpd> :\
[10:39] <lifeboy> Ben64: It doesn't work
[10:40] <Ben64> !work | lifeboy
[10:40] <Gallomimia> that's fabulous :)
[10:40] <Gallomimia> do you want to move the directory bla or the contents of the directory and all lumped into /var/www/
[10:41] <cfhowlett_> LOL.  I thought it was asking about my ex-wife.
[10:41] <Gallomimia> pfff. she doesn't know how to use irc does she?
[10:41] <Oddly> cpd: after removing win8?
[10:42] <cpd> Erm yeah its just being funny atm. Rebooting Ubuntu to install now.
[10:42] <Oddly> cpd: I have a option in my bios to boot my usb with uefi or without, same with you?
[10:42] <d0x> Hi, can i somehow check whether my grafics card driver is working well?
[10:43] <d0x> i install a fglrx-updates
[10:43] <cpd> Yeah I can choose UEFI or Legacy
[10:43] <cpd> Erm
[10:43] <cpd> I get Errno 5 Input/output error
[10:43] <d0x> and fglrxinfo gives me the info of my grafic card
[10:44] <Gallomimia> d0x i've found that the method: Do a backflip. if you land on your head your drivers are not working correctly. typically gives me the right answer :/
[10:44] <cpd> Says its due to a faulty disk drive (oer perhaps USB in this case)
[10:44] <Gallomimia> cpd: it's starting to sound like that usb stick is giving you the bum's rush. try reflashing it?
[10:44] <cpd> Yeah going to try now
[10:44] <Oddly> cpd: or use another usb
[10:44] <d0x> somehow the ui feels not smooth
[10:44] <cpd> Well
[10:44] <lifeboy> ubottu: :-) Funny.  Of course I mean that I enter the command the way it should be entered and it doesn't to what is expected, ie it doesn't move the files
[10:44] <cpd> I'll try this afternoon, need to head off now
[10:44] <lifeboy> s/to/do/
[10:45] <Gallomimia> d0x: i had this trouble too when getting my system working. what method did you use to install the software?
[10:45] <Oddly> lifeboy, and if you try copying the files?
[10:45] <lifeboy> Ben64: Duh, now I argued with a bot :-)
[10:45] <Gallomimia> cpd good day to you
[10:45] <Oddly> c ya cpd
[10:46] <lifeboy> Oddly: I can't copy or move them
[10:46] <Gallomimia> what does it say?
[10:46] <lifeboy> I'm going to try moving only one file
[10:46] <Oddly> lifeboy: what is the exact error?
[10:46] <Gallomimia> any error message, or straight to another prompt?
[10:46] <Ben64> lifeboy: pastebin ls -lR /var/www
[10:46] <Oddly> Ben64: just what I was thinking
[10:46] <Oddly> lifeboy: try the command with sudo
[10:47] <Gallomimia> well hold on here. let's understand the command he's entering and the results first
[10:47] <d0x> Gallomimia: first i tried to install the proprietary AMD catalist driver. Then my X broke completly. Becuase i had 12.10 i formatted and installed 13.10. Now i just did a apt-get install fglrx-updates
[10:47] <d0x> thats it
[10:47] <Gallomimia> if he's moving a dir that's within www to www, of course the result is going to be no effect
[10:47] <Gallomimia> d0x did you download it from amd?
[10:48] <Gallomimia> cause you haven't explained how you installed this at all
[10:48] <lifeboy> Oddly, Ben64: I just did "sudo mv /var/www/bla/index.php /var/www/" and the file was moved.  However, if I do "sudo mv /var/www/bla/* /var/www/", I get: mv: cannot stat `/var/www/bla/*': No such file or directory
[10:49] <bear-> list
[10:49] <Gallomimia> sounds like a permissions error in the bla directory
[10:49] <Gallomimia> no read perms?
[10:49] <christophe_> slt
[10:49] <Gallomimia> ls -ld /var/www/bla
[10:50] <Gallomimia> huh. i have private messages. have they been there for an hour?
[10:51] <d0x> Gallomimia: from the ati side i think
[10:51] <Oddly> Gallomimia: you do this the whole day? this is exhausting stuff
[10:51] <Galick> Hello,everyone.
[10:51] <Oddly> hey Galick
[10:51] <Gallomimia> Oddly: no. i've been here for like an hour or so... im having fun and learning but it's time for sleep for sure
[10:52] <Gallomimia> d0x: wrong plan :( use the software center to install that
[10:52] <Oddly> time for work here, c ya guys
[10:52] <Gallomimia> g'day
[10:52] <Rubas> cya Oddly
[10:52] <Galick> I don't know how to install Ubuntu TV for TLC Tv.
[10:52] <Gallomimia> heh. euro peoples :) here it is 02h52
[10:53] <Galick> I want to test it.
[10:53] <Rubas> Gallomimia: it's 11:52 here :p
[10:53] <lifeboy> Oddly, Ben64: http://pastebin.com/R80H0zym
[10:54] <Gallomimia> d0x the software from ubuntu repositories is properly tuned. from amd/ati's website it doesn't work properly for ubuntu. dunno why
[10:54] <Gallomimia> they even have the proprietary stuff. also it was suggested to me that i run kernel 3.12 from the kernel PPA's. that's unsupported in this channel, but some kind sir helped me do it
[10:55] <lifeboy> Ah! I see bla doesn't have read access for the user... !
[10:55] <Gallomimia> better amd gpu support in that kernel
[10:55] <Ben64> lifeboy: doesn't have read access for anyone
[10:55] <lifeboy> Bla is a wordpress directory, the first time that I've seen that, but I guess since I did the install, I messed it up somewhere
[10:55] <Gallomimia> lifeboy: therefore bash and mv can't see those files. a sudo would overcome that problem, but i'm always leary of mv commands with sudo
[10:56] <lifeboy> Jip, thanks all!
[10:56] <Gallomimia> as i emphasized before, you can nuke whole directories by leaving off a slash
[10:56] <rollitup> hey guys there's a strange thing happening on my Ubuntu 12.04 box , I am unable to access github.com
[10:56] <Gallomimia> enter this into a terminal: host github.com
[10:56] <rollitup> when I switch to an alternate ISP I am able to access the same site, I also tried accessing from chrome, firefox, opera
[10:57] <Gallomimia> i always suspect DNS problems first when issues like that crop up
[10:57] <rollitup> again i have a third ubuntu notebook, from which I am able to access the site fine
[10:57] <Gallomimia> often the problem exists between your ISP and your network configuration not talking to one another regarding the correct server to ask for .com's from
[10:58] <rollitup> pinging gives 'Destination host not reachable'
[10:58] <Gallomimia> rollitup: hey! what does it say when you can't access the server and you type host www.github.com
[10:58] <Rory> 100% a DNS problem, rollitup .
[10:58] <rollitup> you mean in the browser ?
[10:59] <Gallomimia> network configuration
[10:59] <Rory> rollitup: No, systemwide. Does it affect only your system, or other machines on the same network?
[10:59] <Rory> rollitup: You can try going to your network settings, edit your network connection (ipv4 settings) make sure the DNS server's set to automatic
[10:59] <rollitup> this is what i get when i do host www.github.com http://pastie.org/8741721
[11:00] <rollitup> it affects only two machines the third machines connects to github properly
[11:00] <Gallomimia> not DNS problem
[11:00] <Gallomimia> ping gives no results
[11:00] <Gallomimia> try curl and then telnet 80 to the same address
[11:01] <Gallomimia> you said ping has host unreachable
[11:01] <Gallomimia> sounds like a routing problem then
[11:01] <lifeboy> Something is still amiss.  mv still fails.  http://pastebin.com/dEhButp3
[11:02] <Gallomimia> lifeboy: what's the permissions on /var/www/bla ?
[11:02] <Gallomimia> i think you said it before but i didn't read it
[11:03] <Gallomimia> rollitup: can you get to other websites with the problem machines??
[11:03] <Gallomimia> lifeboy: also what's the permissions on /var/www
[11:04] <Gallomimia> you might just go ahead and do the command with sudo. be careful tho...
[11:04] <lifeboy> drwxr-x--x 5 www-data www-data 4096 Feb 17 12:46 /var/www/bla
[11:04] <Gallomimia> you're not allowed to read that dir still!
[11:05] <lifeboy> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Feb 17 12:46 /var/www/
[11:05] <lifeboy> Gallomimia: Why, I'm doing it as root
[11:05] <Gallomimia> sudo chmod e+r /var/www/bla
[11:05] <que1> hey guys, I have a few old computers, is it possible to "wire" them together somehow, so that I can use them all to do compiling at the same time from a single command line? I mean, use all of them for a single task
[11:05] <Ben64> lifeboy: root isn't www-data
[11:06] <Gallomimia> you're doing it with sudo. bash still can't wildcard the directory cause it's running as you
[11:06] <Gallomimia> ben64 root is root. ignores permissions right?
[11:06] <lifeboy> Doesn't root have rights to everything?
[11:06] <Ben64> does not ignore
[11:07] <Gallomimia> hm. i've never had it follow permissions before
[11:07] <Ben64> anyway, unless theres a special circumstance, all directories should be 755
[11:07] <Ben64> you have it as 711
[11:07] <lifeboy> Hmm
[11:07] <Gallomimia> agreed. unless you have some reason to make sure no one with shell access can tell you have a wordpress install in there which isn't yet activated
[11:08] <Gallomimia> you're about to move everything out of that dir and delete the dir i assume? so who cares what the permissions on it are
[11:09] <lifeboy> Ah, it starts to make sense to me.  I set the dirs to 755 and it all moved right away when I told it to
[11:09] <lifeboy> Thanks again all!
[11:09] <Gallomimia> right. read permissions on a dir let you list the files in it
[11:10] <Gallomimia> execute permissions let you do stuff in that dir. such as read or write to files when you already know the filename
[11:10] <Gallomimia> write permissions lets you add files and delete
[11:10] <Gallomimia> then.... what permissions are needed to move a file?
[11:10] <lifeboy> All three are needed then...
[11:11] <Gallomimia> you don't actually need read permissions if you KNOW the filename
[11:11] <Gallomimia> but i'm assuming you need write and execute
[11:11] <lifeboy> But if you use a wildcard you'd need read rights, not?
[11:11] <Gallomimia> you're executing a wildcard in bash. bash needs permission to read the dir. bash is running on your username, not root's
[11:12] <lifeboy> Even if I did "sudo su -" ?
[11:12] <Gallomimia> you'd probably have had no issue doing it then
[11:12] <lifeboy> I didn't use "sudo su -" in this instance, but I normally do if I have to do a number of things
[11:13] <Gallomimia> tends to have no issue doing anything, including deleting everything, running programs with elevated resources, and generally mucking up the system. so it's not recommended in this channel
[11:13] <Touhou11> There's nothing wrong with running as root, just depends on your powerlevel
[11:13] <Walex> lifeboy: 'sudo -i'
[11:13] <Ben64> lifeboy: you should never use that command. "sudo -i" if you absolutely need a root shell (which is never)
[11:14] <Touhou11> Ubuntu will shorten your lifespan, through excessive keystrokes typing out "sudo" all the time
[11:14] <Gallomimia> for example, i once ran a shell script from a root login which quit a program by name. it quit it for ALL users, not just the one i was trying to quit it for. it then started 10 of said program with root permissions, and slaughtered the avail ram and cpu in doing so. not expected behavior at all :)
[11:14] <lifeboy> Ouch! I've been using "sudo su -" forever!  What's the problem with it?
[11:14] <Gallomimia> uhm... !sudosu
[11:14] <Gallomimia> !sudosu
[11:15] <Gallomimia> can't remember. there's a lot of ways to get root prompt. some of them have various different capabilities
[11:15] <Gallomimia> i think the major one is environment variables
[11:15] <Ben64> it can break things
[11:16] <Ben64> notably X, but other things too
[11:16] <gnuseners> Gnu/Linux-wannabe
[11:16] <gnuseners> oypse frong forum.sorry
[11:16] <Gallomimia> yes i am
[11:17] <lifeboy> I found this helpful: http://askubuntu.com/questions/376199/sudo-su-vs-sudo-i-vs-sudo-bin-bash-when-does-it-matter-which-is-used
[11:17] <Gallomimia> and now it's been fun but i'm to sleep now. peace
[11:17] <Gallomimia> yes that's a good read
[11:17] <tozen> hi all! folks how can i disable grub installation? will try to explane why. so i've got ubi 12.04.4 lts as main system and today i've decided to install 14.04 on separated partition. want to avoid from grub installation because have one already, think so update-grub would be enought for current grub to start to see new ubi. thx
[11:17] <lifeboy> Thanks for the pointers!
[11:17] <gnuseners> yeah do somes here know about good program to look on the iss nasa thinges
[11:19] <dell101> hi
[11:19] <dell101> does 13.10 give option to install on encrypted lvm?
[11:19] <cfhowlett_> dell101, yes
[11:19] <yeats> dell101: yes
[11:20] <cfhowlett_> yeats, though you might have to invoke the advanced options to see it
[11:20] <dell101> cfhowlett_, yeats I hope you read the "encrypted" ??
[11:20] <yeats> dell101: yep
[11:21] <dell101> oh! Thats so much from the team. Thank you for including this. Finally. (After everyone that is)
[11:21] <dell101> thanks cfhowlett_ and yeats will go to install it. bye.
[11:22] <Gallomimia> does someone have a link i can read about encrypted LVM, performance hits and problems which might be encountered? i'd like to consider its use
[11:23] <cfhowlett_> !lvm
[11:23] <Gallomimia> i don't see anything on encryption there
[11:24] <makara> hi. What process is locking this file? When I `apt-get autoremove` I get `debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable`
[11:24] <makara> I've tried `lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat` to no avail
[11:25] <jpds> makara: Probably debconf.
[11:25] <makara> jpds, not in list of processes
[11:26] <makara> ok, I think I got it
[11:26] <makara> "/usr/bin/python /usr/share/system-config-printer/install-printerdriver.py openprinting-gutenprint deb http://www.openprinting.org/download/printdriver/debian/ lsb3.2 contrib F8897B6F00075648E248B7EC24CBF5474CFD1E2F"
[11:26] <makara> got stuck twice
[11:30] <Guest14198> i want to convert a video from mp4 to flv format any recommanded tool in ubuntu ????
[11:30] <cpd>  'm back
[11:30] <cfhowlett_> Guest14198, ffmpeg
[11:30] <cpd> Mission: Install ubuntu
[11:30] <cpd> :D
[11:32] <gnuseners> hello i did not get the freetuxtv working good, i use Trisquel Gnu/Linux soo
[11:32] <Guest14198> HOW to install ffmpeg in ubuntu 13.04 ?????
[11:33] <Touhou11> Guest14198: You don't necessarily need convert the video/audio encoding, just change the container
[11:34] <cfhowlett_> Guest14198, of install the proper codecs
[11:34] <makara> Guest14198, cfhowlett_, it's `aviconv` now
[11:34] <Guest14198> and how to do that ??? please help am a newbie
[11:34] <cfhowlett_> makara, right.  thanks.
[11:34] <cfhowlett_> Guest14198, vlc player should be able to play .flv
[11:35] <Guest14198> <cfhowlett_ i want to convert to flv!!
[11:35] <makara> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[11:35] <cfhowlett_> Guest14198, ^^^ that
[11:36] <Touhou11> Guest14198: Do you work in video production?
[11:36] <Guest14198> NO
[11:37] <makara> goto #libav
[11:37] <makara> you will learn a lot
[11:38] <makara> avconv, not aviconv
[11:38] <Guest14198> <makara i got *** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED *** This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.
[11:38] <cfhowlett_> Guest14198, sudo apt-get install avconv
[11:38] <makara> or I recommend Handbrake and Avidemux
[11:39] <makara> i don't use command line progs after finding those two programs
[11:40] <Guest14198> I got E: Unable to locate package avconv ??
[11:40] <Guest14198> please help
[11:41] <makara> Guest14198, use the 2 GUI apps I posted
[11:41] <Touhou11> Guest14198: What version of Ubuntu GNU/Linux are you running?
[11:41] <makara> seriously
[11:41] <cpd> I've tried to Boot off my USB after reburning the image file to it but my lasptop now just has a black screen with a blinking cursor at the top left corner
[11:41] <cpd> Any idea how to get into the BIOS?
 13.04
[11:41] <cpd> Scrap that I got into BIOS
  i will google them and see thx
[11:42] <Touhou11> Guest14198: That's outdated, I suggest upgrading
[11:42] <sybariten> ok, heres a chance if there ever was one: anyone here use midnight commander extensively? I'd like to add a bunch of files into an archive... well, create it actually
[11:42] <makara> and use Ubuntu Software center to get them
[11:42] <makara> it includes reviews
[11:42] <Piper|Away> cpd: have you killed your mbr?
[11:42] <cpd> Nope
[11:42] <cpd> It works
[11:42] <cpd> I just can't boot the USB yet
 butr are you sure i can convert to flv format ??
[11:43] <makara> Guest14198, you mean am I sure I'm not wasting your time?
[11:43] <makara> no I'm not sure
[11:44] <makara> but you'll learn a heckava lot faster with a GUI than trying to bumble around in a CLI
[11:44] <makara> if you have to do it CLI: sudo apt-get install libav-tools
[11:44] <makara> good luck
[11:45] <cpd> Im getting that error again: "Unable to mount root fs
[11:45] <cpd> "
[11:45] <Touhou11> I don't use Midnight Commander as I no longer trust the author
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> Guest14198: 13.04 is no longer supported, it is EOL
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> cpd: have you checked the file system health using fsck in liveCD?
[11:46] <cpd> No
[11:46] <TJ-> Guest14198: What are you trying to do, I noticed you mentioned .flv - if its convert to that format, here's a command-line from one of my scripts I wrote a long time ago "ffmpeg -i ${directory}/${name}.mp4 -f flv -s qvga -ar 22050 -y ${directory}/${name}.flv" ?
   How to upgrade from the terminal ???
[11:46] <cpd> I'm using a USB. Can I check with LiveCD?
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> Guest14198: sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> cpd: its a file system like any other, boot to another device so that the partition is unmounted and fsck it so that the data is comsistant and error free
[11:51] <cpd> When yous ay boot to another device do you mean boot to Ubuntu say, from a USB and try to run it?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> cpd: just a different distro, so that the filesystem
[11:52] <md_nfs> hello every one
[11:52] <cpd> So, to clarify, I can just install Debian to my USB and boot from it then run this command?
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> cpd: to a differnet usb, yes
[11:53] <Touhou11> Correct
[11:53] <cpd> Aw, I don't have a different usb
[11:53] <cpd> Hmmm
[11:54] <md_nfs> i have reinstall windows 7 after that my system not showing grub menu i tried lot of but not success yet
[11:55] <md_nfs> Now i am tring once again with live cd. Is it possible to show grub menu at starting time?
[11:55] <Touhou11> Windows overwrites the Master Boot Record (MBR) I believe
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> md_nfs: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> md_nfs: boot to liveCD / USB and chroot, then reinstate Grub
[11:56] <minager_> hi
[11:56] <sybariten> Touhou11: please elaborate
[11:57] <Touhou11> sybariten: The original author of Midnight Commander made malicious comments towards GNU/Linux, so I personally no longer trust software he wrote
[11:57] <md_nfs> ActionParsnip,  I have tried mount command but showing error
[11:57] <sybariten> Touhou11: oh
[11:58] <Touhou11> sybariten: It's safe to assume Midnight Commander is operating as a possible Trojan Horse, much like Google Chrome
[11:58] <minager_> I know I'm using debian on this server, but can someone please look at my update logs and see if it looks normal? apt-get shows lots of errors, and suddenly not. and now i get segfaults with dropbox... Logs here: http://pastebin.com/5155RhhT Thanks :-)
[11:58] <whiskers75> aaargh
[11:59] <whiskers75> I hate it when apt breaks :p
[12:00] <minager_> whiskers75: me too :p shouldn't the updates fail and try again next time if I get that error?
[12:01] <whiskers75> No, when EVERYTHING is broken
[12:01] <whiskers75> and you apt-get install something
[12:01] <whiskers75> and it just goes:
[12:01] <whiskers75> well
[12:01] <whiskers75> it just explodes
[12:01] <whiskers75> and vomits all the dependencies in your face
[12:01] <minager_> word, and it asks you to do an dpkg configure but that also fails :P
[12:02] <ikonia> whiskers75: dependency problems only happen if you are not managing your system correctl and/or using 3rd part repos/packages
[12:04] <TJ-> minager_: You've got a faulty RAM module; run memtest86_ exhaustively on that system
[12:05] <whiskers75> ikonia: oops ;P
[12:05] <minager_> TJ-: I've read that to, but this is a VPS
[12:07] <user> a
[12:07] <TJ-> minager_: Major corruption of some kind, use the recovery environment provided to do some exhaustive checks - file-system and also contents of known files, compare checksums against a known-good identical image
[12:07] <k1l_> whiskers75: what does "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d/" list you? please pastebin the output
[12:09] <TJ-> minager_: Use the clues from the error messages, such as "dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable" ... ldconfig is a very major part of the core system, find it, verify it is identical to a known-good version, if it is, look at what is being done to root's PATH in the environment - maybe you, or something you've installed, is trying to change it and instead messing it up
[12:09] <md_nfs> ActionParsnip, I dont know how to use chroot command in terminal.
[12:09] <md_nfs> ActionParsnip, I have tried chroot /home/X showing error
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> mmdwhy do you think I gave the omgubuntu link?
[12:10] <whiskers75> k1l_: It's fine now, I wrangled it
[12:10] <whiskers75> k1l_: I had Trusty Tahr sources in there :p
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> md_nfs: running random commands as a guess most likely won't work...
[12:11] <k1l_> whiskers75: well, then dont blame ubuntu when you clearly want to break it
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> whiskers75: thats going o make a mess
[12:11] <whiskers75> I just wanted hedgewars 0.9.20!
[12:11] <whiskers75> ;P
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> whiskers75: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[12:11] <whiskers75> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[12:12] <ccha2> hello I got a zombie process,... this process binded a port, but right the port still used
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> whiskers75: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/hedgewars?field.series_filter=saucy
[12:12] <ccha2> how can I drop this listen port ?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> whiskers75: there is an alpha PPA too: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/hedgewars-nightly?field.series_filter=saucy
[12:12] <ccha2> I don't want to reboot
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> whiskers75: the nightly is 0.9.21
[12:12] <whiskers75> ooh
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> whiskers75: Please dont mix packages between releases, you will mangle deps and cause all kinds of hell
[12:13] <whiskers75> I'm currently upgrading my thousands of unupgraded packages
[12:13] <whiskers75> (without Tahr sources)
[12:13] <whiskers75> aptitude downgraded a ton of stuff
[12:14] <Multiply> I've setup chroot for a specific user group, and I only allow to sign in with ssh keys. I would however like to hide the .ssh directory from the user, when they log in. Is that possible?
[12:15] <whiskers75> oh gof
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> Multiply: if they cannot access .ssh then keys will not work
[12:15] <whiskers75> it's flashplugin-installer
[12:15] <whiskers75> flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.336.orig.tar.gz
[12:16] <Multiply> ActionParsnip, can't I set it up to use a file different than ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
[12:16] <der0b> multiply, you could configure sshd to look to another location (outside of their home dir) for the keys
[12:17] <Multiply> der0b, exactly what I was looking for
[12:17] <Multiply> I only want that, for that specific group, tho
[12:17] <Touhou11> whiskers75: Be aware Flash is proprietary software and may damage your system
[12:19] <der0b> multiply, the config option is AuthorizedKeysFile (man sshd_config)
[12:19] <Multiply> Can I use 'AuthorizedKeysFile' inside my "Match group", and set it to something like '/my-jail/%u.authorized_keys'?
[12:19] <Multiply> Yeah.
[12:19] <der0b> That I'm not sure of, would require a little testing
[12:19] <Multiply> I'll tinker a bit with it. Thanks
[12:20] <der0b> Sounds reasonable though :)
[12:20] <Multiply> And of course, the user should own the file, as per usual
[12:20] <nixfox> what exactly are you planing on doing?
[12:20] <der0b> yeah, so you're really only hiding it from them
[12:20] <nixfox> securing your SSH?
[12:20] <Multiply> I'm trying to make it easier for a few friends, to NOT mess up their logins.
[12:21] <minager_> TJ-: I have heard that cron does not contain /usr/sbin in PATH, and these commands are run through cron. So the package seems correctly installed, but something did go wrong
[12:21] <nixfox> don't give them SSH access then :)
[12:21] <Multiply> nixfox, it's just SFTP.
[12:22] <nixfox> is it a public or a private server?
[12:22] <Multiply> Private.
[12:22] <der0b> have you considered an alternat shell?
[12:22] <Multiply> They have /usr/sbin/nologin
[12:23] <Multiply> I'm only really interested in the SFTP-functionality.
[12:23] <der0b> take a look at rssh
[12:23] <TJ-> minager_: See "man 5 crontab"
[12:23] <der0b> might be just what you're looking for and less work
[12:23] <der0b> AND easier to maintain
[12:23] <Shutterstrom> If a program package for Ubuntu is updated (a DLNA program called MiniDLNA in my case) when there is a new version of the code out,  will that upgrade on all Ubuntu versions or are pagages for Ubuntu specific versions?
[12:23] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: depends how packages it
[12:24] <Multiply> der0b, I'll give it at look. I just figured it would be easier for me to maintain, by using as many standard packages, as possible.
[12:24] <der0b> Good deal, theres almost always a few options, as long as it works, it's good :)
[12:24] <Multiply> And I've created a bash script, for adding new users, into my current chroot
[12:25] <minager_> TJ-: I will install cron-apt later, but first I need to fix the broken packages (that don't look broken)...
[12:26] <minager_> when I try starting dropbox it just says "Segmentation fault" :-(
[12:27] <nixfox> missing libs will do that
[12:27] <Touhou11> minager_: Try rsync in combination with hosting your own server. It's a good alternative to Dropbox
[12:27] <TJ-> minager_: That pastebin output, was it generated from the cron job?
[12:27] <minager_> yes
[12:28] <Multiply> der0b, as a sidenote; AuthorizedKeysFile seems to be supported in "Match group" so I'm good to go ;)
[12:29] <minager_> Touhou11: I now, but this customer wants his files there so he can update them from home :P
[12:30] <Touhou11> minager_: You could send the customer a link to the FSF manifesto: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[12:31] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: In LTS version of Ubuntu server minidlna version is 1.0.21 but in later ubuntu versions minidlna is upgraded to 1.0.24. So if minidlna package is upgraded, how can I be sure to use the latest version then, because it doesn't seem to upgrade on the LTS version. (pls tell me if you don't understand my question)
[12:32] <minager_> Touhou11: this is a guy in his late 50s that only use a computer because work is requiring him to and does not know the difference between the screen and hard drive... I will not take that discussion with him :p
[12:32] <frybye> after a partial- update this morning my ubuntu 13.10 no longer finds the grafic settings - what to do - it just says "set them by hand!" but how?
[12:32] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: it's very doubtful it will get updated in your version
[12:33] <Touhou11> Shutterstrom: Most of Ubuntu software is not the latest version. If you want an up-to-date Linux distribution, try a rolling release model such as Arch Linux
[12:34] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: I have one Ubuntu version using 12 LTS and one with 13. But it sound like that none of the ubuntu version will get the update if a new pachage is created. Is that correct?
[12:34] <cpd> If I change back to UEFI how do I access BIOS considering I no longer have W8>
[12:34] <cpd> ?
[12:34] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: unlikley
[12:34] <Shutterstrom> Touhou11: Thanks for the tip!
[12:35] <k1l_> Shutterstrom: do you have to use the latest one? or can you go with one that is made to work with your system as such?
[12:35] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: k1l_: Well, the thing is that I really would like to use some of the features and bugfixes in the later version of minidlna.
[12:36] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: such as ?
[12:36] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: I can send you a copy of the changelog if you want to.
[12:37] <TJ-> Shutterstrom: You should investigate LXC or chroot environments, to install a minimal user-space from a later release into
[12:37] <ikonia> the change log doesn't really mean features, there must be specific things you want
[12:40] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/files/minidlna/1.1.1/
[12:40] <Walex> cpd: that is motherboard-specific
[12:40] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: what is that ?
[12:40] <Walex> cpd: but usually it is some kind of F-key or the DEL key.
[12:41] <Shutterstrom> all the changes that's been done to minidlna. Bugfixes / features.
[12:41] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: I said I didn't want a change log
[12:41] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: for you to "need" or "desire" an upgrade as you are saying there must be specific things you want - not just pastebin of a change log
[12:43] <cpd> Okay, well the error is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[12:43] <cpd> Thats the first line
[12:43] <cpd> There's a bunch of other stuff as well
[12:44] <Touhou11> Sounds like a problem with being able to mount the root filesystem
[12:46] <ppcsee> i
[12:47] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: Sorry, I don't think we're on the same level. I just don't get it why the package isn't updated on a regular basis, since the source code from the developer is.
[12:47] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: I think we are on the same level
[12:47] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: it sounds like your chasing a version number - rather than specific funcitonality you need/want
[12:48] <jaywink> hi, anyone quick tip how to deal with ALT-TAB disappearng without rebooting workstation? somehow restart unity?
[12:48] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: the packages aren't updated as they would need rebuilding and testing along with dependencies for every time the maintainer makes an update to the orignial base packge
[12:48] <jaywink> it works but isn't visible
[12:48] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: so it has to be something significant or worth fixing to put that effort in, or wait $X months for the new ubuntu release to come out which will include a version nump
[12:48] <ikonia> bump
[12:53] <guetst> what's the command line to convert mp4 to flv using ffmpeg  ??
[12:53] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: So you're saying that the new version of Ubuntu server (in april I believe) will have the latest version of minidlna? Older versions of Ubuntu is still using versions older then 1,5 years.
[12:54] <Touhou11> guetst: Read the documentation: http://www.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.html#Video-and-Audio-file-format-conversion
[12:56] <ikonia> Shutterstrom:  Version 1.0.24+dfsg-1 currently in 14.04
 I cant understand anything  from that documentation ? i just want the command line please help
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> guetst: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8504923/how-to-convert-mp4-video-file-into-flv-format-using-ffmpeg
[13:00] <SirLagz> I don't seem to be able to get my xubuntu laptop to login to XFCE. I could login to openbox fine, but xfce just boots me out back onto the greeter screen
[13:01] <SirLagz> I can't seem to find any indication as to why it's booting me out though
[13:02] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: Ok. Thanks. But just to point out that this is a version from "1.0.24 - Released 14-Feb-2012", and that the latest version was released "1.1.1 - Released 01-Nov-2013". So I guess minidlna is not a prio package.
[13:02] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: either that or it's got problems with the depedencies ubuntu 14.04 will ship
[13:03] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: or there is no real reason to update it
[13:04] <Lorith[Alpha]> join ubuntu+1
[13:04] <Lorith[Alpha]> eh
[13:05] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: I guess so.. :-/
[13:05] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: that's why I was curious to which bug features specifically hit you/ you wanted fixing
[13:07] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: Well you see. There is a network issue that minidlna cant start properly if ethernet port is'nt started correctly. This bug (as I call it) started in Ubuntu server 13. And to solve this you have to create a script to work arround the issue.
[13:08] <leeyaa> hello
[13:08] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: I'd be more concerned about why your ethernet is not coming up clean
[13:08] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: that doesn't sound like a problem with the application, more a problem with your network setup / ubuntu's network stack
[13:08] <cpd> Right
[13:09] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/minidlna/+bug/1053173
[13:09] <leeyaa> i am trying to i install ncui but i am getting dependencies problems. any tips ? http://bpaste.net/show/ApZZMNLhlIrUrkILpa07/
[13:09] <cpd> I've used GParted and installed what appears to be smoething Debian related. I can now run queries and look at my harddisk.
[13:09] <irssi-mike> SirLagz: crank open /usr/share/xsessions/xfce.desktop and look for the words Exec=
[13:09] <guetst>  I usefd this command line "ffmpeg -i source.mp4 -c:v libx264 -ar 22050 -crf 28 destinationfile.flv "  to convert my video to flv  but i get " One_Piece_091_[852EDE6E].mp4: No such file or directory"
[13:09] <cpd> Whow as telling me to run a chkdsk or something command?
[13:09] <cpd> To determine the disk integrity?
[13:09] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: why is that a problem - you need a network connection to use minidlna, so if there is no network how do you expect to use it ?
[13:09] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: that's also an undecided bug
[13:10] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: This is not for me only. As you see in the launchpad link.
[13:10] <SirLagz> irssi-mike: Exec=startxfce4
[13:10] <irssi-mike> change that to xfce4.session
[13:10] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: I didn't say it was only for you
[13:10] <guetst> I used this command line " ffmpeg -i source.mp4 -c:v libx264 -ar 22050 -crf 28 destinationfile.flv "  to convert my video to flv  but i get " One_Piece_091_[852EDE6E].mp4: No such file or directory " please help  !!!!
[13:11] <SirLagz> irssi-mike: done. Trying it now
[13:11] <SirLagz> irssi-mike: nope. same thing =/
[13:11] <SirLagz> irssi-mike: unless i need to restart lightdm ?
[13:12] <irssi-mike> maybe, maybe source it too, idk
[13:12] <Walex> '/w 4
[13:12] <SirLagz> irssi-mike: this thing has had me stumped for a couple of days now =/
[13:12] <SirLagz> irssi-mike: especially since it was working fine last week. *sigh*
[13:13] <guetst> HELP !!
[13:13] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: what I ment was, this is a standard ubuntu - minidlna setupe and the program wont start. In newer version of minidlna this has been handled in minidlna
[13:13] <ikonia> it looks like the problem is with the init script
[13:14] <SirLagz> ah. it's using xubuntu.desktop and not xfce.desktop
[13:14] <SirLagz> changin xubuntu.desktop now gives me "unable to launch xfce4.session"
[13:14] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: As I said, I would love to see a fix for that :)
[13:14] <irssi-mike> guetst: i thought you said you were converting mp4 to flv
[13:15] <guetst> yes yes irssi-mike> that's right
[13:15] <TJ-> Shutterstrom: As comment #3 says, use upstart with a "starton started..." clause. The comment later "...local only operation offline..." is silly. DLNA is a network application, so of course it won't work if there is no network. you could work around that though, by having the process bind to the 'lo' interface's address.
[13:15] <irssi-mike> guetst: nevermind i read that backwards
[13:15] <guetst> it keep telling me No such file or directory
[13:16] <ikonia> TJ-: this is my whole point - it needs network so while a crash is annoying, who cares if it crashes without network, as it can't be used
[13:16] <irssi-mike> guetst: same result using sudo?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> guetst: try renaming the file to something simpler
[13:16] <Shutterstrom> TJ-: Should that be haneled by: me, minidlna or ubuntu, do you think?
[13:16] <ikonia> so the concept of "upgrading" the package for basically a user experience error, or an upstart job error seems overkill
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> guetst: you will need to use the cd command to change directory to the one holding the file
[13:17] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: comment #7 explains the problem
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> guetst: so if it is in the 'Videos' folder you will need to run:  'cd Videos'   first
[13:17] <TJ-> Shutterstrom: I'd look at the current configuration of the service, see if you can have it bind to localhost (127.0.0.1) on interface 'lo' as well as route-able interfaces like eth0, wlan0, etc.
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> guetst: obviously without the quotes
 yes same result a
[13:18] <SirLagz> where would xfce4.session normally be ? =/
[13:18] <Shutterstrom> TJ-: ikonia: My point is that this worked before. But in later version of Ubuntu this became an issue.
[13:18] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: because a.) upstart job changed b.) your understanding of how it works is wrong
[13:19] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: it doesn't actually appear to be a genuine bug reading that, just a configuration choice and an end user experience problem
[13:19] <TJ-> Shutterstrom: The package is a direct auto import from Debian too, no-one in the Ubuntu dev team touches it. You should contact the Debian maintainer to ask for a respin of the package based on latest upstream, that'll then filter down to Ubuntu.
[13:19] <ikonia> a minor issue with the upstart job too
[13:20] <Grizzlee> apiculture
[13:20] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: overkill, upgrading a package for user experience? I think user experience is important.
[13:20] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: you're missing the point and designed functionality
[13:21] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: it's a minor configuration change to bind it to local host
[13:21] <ikonia> and the whole point is the application needs network access to function, so crashing without it....shouldn't be a problem
[13:22] <irssi-mike> Shutterstrom: if it ain't broke don't fix it
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> guetst: if you run:  ls    do you see the filename?
[13:23] <guetst> It worked but i got Seems stream 0 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: 47.95 (5994/125) -> 23.98 (24000/1001) Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'One_Piece_091_[852EDE6E].mp4':   Metadata:     major_brand     : isom     minor_version   : 1     compatible_brands: isomavc1     creation_time   : 2012-08-14 03:50:03   Duration: 00:23:04.71, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 302 kb/s     Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264 (High), y
[13:23] <Shutterstrom> TJ-: Thanks! Do you know how to contact Debian mainenance team?
[13:24] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: I'd look at the localhost configuration option
[13:24] <TJ-> Shutterstrom: I can see another easy workaround, create a local bridge interface and assign it a static IP, and join the system's other interfaces to the bridge, then the service can listen on the always-available bridge IP
[13:24] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: getting this "fixed" will not be easy as it's not actually a bug, and the main problem is the ubuntu upstart job
[13:25] <BlackFlag> someone knows if is there a driver for SiS M672 FX + SiS 307ELV and xorg 1.13.3?
[13:26] <Shutterstrom> irssi-mike: If it ain't broke, why are there how-to's on the internet how to solve the issue? :)
[13:26] <Shutterstrom> http://labnotes.decampo.org/2012/12/ubuntu-1210-minidlna-on-boot.html
  yes i can see the file  but i've got an other error " Unrecognized option 'c:v' Failed to set value 'libx264' for option 'c:v' "
[13:28] <k1l_> Shutterstrom: that is the upstart script thing for minidlna? what exactly do you want to get fixed?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !find libx264
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> guetst: sudo apt-get install libx264-123
[13:28] <Xuisce> !find xchat
[13:29] <guetst> libx264-123 is already the newest version.
[13:30] <tom_1> where can I find ia32libs  for 64 bit 13.10 ubuntu desktop
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> guetst: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/mp4-to-flv-using-ffmpeg-on-ubuntu-server-10-04-a-842694/  maybe
[13:31] <guetst> i think the problem is with   'c:v'  in the command line "  ffmpeg -i One_Piece_091_[852EDE6E].mp4 -c:v libx264 -ar 22050 -crf 28 destinationfile.flv "
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> guetst: you do realise I'm just searching the web.....
[13:31] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: it's a config problem and a user experience issue, it doesn't actually appear to be a technical bug
[13:31] <guetst> ye yes thanks a lot
[13:32] <diecastarts> hey all. i have asked this in lubuntu but everyone must be asleep. but i trying to fixed my laptop so it will not turn off my screen. I know i fixed it so it using the xfce power manager.. but still it turning it off after some many mins. no matter the settings. is there maybe a other setting that could be conflicting? I have even disabled DPMS and still no good.
[13:32] <intgr> Hi. So I can't upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 because apparently the latter is not supported anymore. I've seen people claim that a 12.10->13.10 upgrade is supported, but I can't find any instructions to do so.
[13:32] <diecastarts> sorry i disabled DPMS in the power manager
[13:32] <ikonia> !eolupgrade | intgr
[13:33] <Shutterstrom> k1l_: I don't understand your first question.
[13:33] <Shutterstrom> Well, if the package was updated this issue would be solved. But it sounds like some people think this is more of a cosmetic issue.
[13:33] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: how do you know the updated version would fix this
[13:33] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: more so when the problem appears to be created by the upstart job
[13:34] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: How do you know that it doesn't fix it?
[13:34] <buscon> hi
[13:34] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: that's the worst pathetic thing to respond
[13:34] <buscon> how can I restart the samba service on ubuntu?
[13:34] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: and proves you've not put any thought or research into this
[13:34] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: Maybe we're on the same level now then.
[13:34] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: you just want a package upgrade blindly, and now your credibility is in the bin
[13:35] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: no, not at all, you've just lost all credibility
[13:35] <buscon> /etc/init.d/smbd restart does nothing
[13:35] <irssi-mike> buscon: sudo service samba restart
[13:37] <buscon> irssi-mike: it seems to do nothing...
[13:37] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: I like your enthusiasm! But you can't ignore the fact that the package is more then 2 years old now and that there are features and bug fixes that have been added.
[13:37] <Shutterstrom> But I guess we're not going equal on this.
[13:37] <buscon> the logs don't change and i get no output from that command...
[13:37] <guetst>  <ActionParsnip>  IT's working  now  "frame= 4503 fps= 27 q=31.0 size=   13273kB time=187.88 bitrate= 578.8kbits/s  " how do you think it's gonna take to finish the encoding
[13:38] <tom_1> must be the tom's day
[13:38] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: I'm not ignoring anythimg, it's just clear you now have no idea what you are talking about and are just chasing a version number, rather than a fix to the problem
[13:38] <intgr> ikonia: Erm, 12.10 is still supported, but there's really no better way to upgrade it than using an "end of life" process?
[13:38] <diecastarts> buscon, if you don;t get and error most of the time it worked
[13:38] <ikonia> intgr: sorry, I thought you said it was not supported any more in your orginal post
[13:39] <intgr> 13.04 isn't, but 12.10 is
[13:39] <ikonia> intgr: right, so the concept is the same - it's in the oldrepos
[13:39] <ikonia> intgr: that the EOL process
[13:39] <ikonia> hang on - isn't 12.10 eol now
[13:39] <intgr> hmm ok
[13:39] <ikonia> !12.10
[13:39] <intgr> EOL is April 2014
[13:39] <ikonia> ah, thank you
[13:39] <ikonia> saves me looking it up
[13:40] <intgr> Thanks
[13:41] <Tom1>  intgr: there is a high cpu usage in ubuntu after installing apps .
[13:41] <intgr> Tom1: I'm probably not the person you want to talk to
[13:42] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: It sounds like I really have to fight for a package update of minidlna :-) And I guess you're not a supporter on my side yet.
[13:42] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: it sounds like you're just saying silly things with no thought or reason behind them
[13:42] <ikonia> Shutterstrom: probably why you are not getting the support you think you should
[13:42] <Shutterstrom> ikonia: Anyway. Thanks for the info. And have a nice day.
[13:43] <tom_1> will ia32libs work on 13.10 64 bit sys
[13:43] <Tom1> .
[13:44] <Seveas> tom_1: no, you shouldn't need that anymore, 13.10 has proper multiarch support
[13:44] <tom_1> i have 32 bit prog i want to run
[13:45] <Stormsys> Hello, im running ubuntu  13.10 and im trying to set my hostname, i have tried the command hostname <hn> and ive also edited the file /etc/hostname
[13:45] <diecastarts> tom_1 nope
[13:45] <Stormsys> but each time i reboot the hostname is reverted
[13:45] <Seveas> tom_1: you can simply install 32bit versions of libraries it needs, e.g. libc6:i386
[13:45] <diecastarts> tom_1,  its now multiarch
[13:45] <tom_1> oh thank you
[13:47] <cpd> Can anyone recommend a decent tool to burn UBuntu to a USB
[13:48] <mrrager> Try unetboot
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> Stormsys: is the hostname set in /etc/hostname after reboot?
[13:48] <cpd> Both unetbootin and Universal-USB cause a massive error
[13:48] <cpd> I used GParted and installed that fine
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> ppcsee: you dont burn to USB, there is no burning that is done
[13:48] <cpd> From USB
[13:48] <Stormsys> ActionParsnip: nope
[13:48] <Stormsys> ActionParsnip: its reverted there too
[13:48] <cpd> Using the same USB, both the programs above given an error of some kind when bootedf rom
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> cpd: you burn a CD, because the laser used to put the data on the CD is more intense than the read
[13:49] <Seveas> cpd: usb-creator-gtk
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> cpd: you don't burn a magnetic media which is what USB storage isa
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> Stormsys: is the file system full? Is the filesystem read only?
[13:49] <cpd> Okay, I'm using the term loosly then.
[13:49] <cpd> I've no idea waht the term is when you write it to a usb
[13:49] <Tom1> ActionParsnip:there is a high cpu usage in ubuntu after installing apps .
[13:50] <Seveas> loose burns sounds dangerous :)
[13:50] <buscon> diecastarts, ah, ok
[13:50] <Seveas> but usb-creator-gtk has always worked for me
[13:50] <buscon> thanks
[13:50] <Stormsys> ActionParsnip: 23gb free, its not read only since i can edit it and save and persist before reboot
[13:50] <tom_1> burn is figure of speech with usb flash drive
[13:51] <Stormsys> ActionParsnip: its forcing the chunk before the frist "." so if i use api.x.com it uses api only
[13:52] <Seveas> Stormsys: you'll need to edit /etc/hosts
[13:52] <Guest60251> CIAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[13:52] <Stormsys> Seveas: also tried, i removed the api from the end of the line - it comes back on restart
[13:52] <Guest60251> !LIST
[13:53] <intgr> ikonia: That's a terribly written article, I'm still stuck. There's no section on 13.04 or 13.10; I tried adding quantal* and raring* repos from old-releases.ubuntu.com, but both give me 404s during 'apt-get update'
[13:53] <cpd> Seveas: trying usb-creator now
[13:54] <spaceindaver> Hi all, my keyboard layout changes from my Irish layout to English (US) sometimes after a restart
[13:54] <Tom1> ext2 filesystem is robust? can i install ubuntu with this filesystem?
[13:54] <intgr> Tom1: No, ext2 can get corrupted at power loss
[13:54] <Guest60251> CIAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[13:54] <ikonia> intgr: open it in a browser to see what's on the actual server http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[13:55] <Guest60251> !LIST
[13:55] <spaceindaver> It still says it is using the Irish keyboard layout but is actually using the English (US) one
[13:55] <ikonia> Guest60251: no wares here
[13:55] <spaceindaver> I can fix it by reselecting the Irish layout, is this a known bug, has anyone else experienced this?
[13:55] <Touhou11> Tom1: ext2 isn't suitable. Use something like JFS or ReiserFS
[13:56] <intgr> Why not ext4?
[13:56] <Tom1> intgr:is it good for installing linux on a flashdrive? cause its not harsh on removale drives ike pendrives?
[13:56] <intgr> Ah ok
[13:56] <ddssc> does root user always have access to all dirs even if he's not specified as the owner/group for that dir?
[13:56] <ddssc> does he have rwx ?
[13:56] <Tom1> i want to install portale ubuntu on a flashdrive
[13:56] <SwedeMike> ddssc: yes. Root has access to everything.
[13:56] <Tom1> portable ubuntu .
[13:57] <Touhou11> intgr: jfs has better all-round performance than ext4
[13:57] <anshulk> Tom1, you are ubuntu
[13:57] <anshulk> Tom1, you are on ubuntu  ?
[13:57] <Tom1> yes
[13:57] <intgr> Touhou11: Most people care about reliability more than performance and JFS is pretty poorly supported by kernel devs.
[13:57] <Tom1> but i want to install it to flashdrive.
[13:57] <anshulk> Tom1, use startup disk creator
[13:58] <anshulk> Tom1, search for it on the dash
[13:58] <anshulk> or get it on the software center
[13:58] <intgr> Tom1: I *think* you can still install on ext2, but I don't know for certain.
[13:58] <intgr> In any case you're stuck between two bad choices; one is the possibility of filesystem corruption at power loss and the other is wearing out the flash drive due to the journal in newer filesystems.
[13:59] <Tom1>  anshulk: actually i know how to put ubuntu on a flashdrive, but as we know we mostly use ext4 and its a journaling filesystem, which will shorten the lifespan of pendrive, so i would like to use ext2 here.
[14:00] <anshulk> Tom1, oh... sry not sure about that!
[14:00] <Tom1> intgr: is ext2 really that weak?
[14:01] <intgr> Tom1: Yes. fsck will make the filesystem consistent (e.g. usable) again, but there's no guarantee that your files will be intact.
[14:01] <sybariten> hey, are you familiar with the "terminator" terminal?
[14:01] <Stormsys> Does ubnuntu ignroe FQDN's for hostname?
[14:01] <Stormsys> on reboot
[14:01] <ikonia> Stormsys: no
[14:01] <intgr> Tom1: The same feature that makes filesystems reliable (journal) is also what makes them bad for flash
[14:01] <Tom1> intgr: that's sad.
[14:01] <Tom1> i agree
[14:02] <Guest60251> CIAOOOOO
[14:02] <Tom1> intgr: is ext4 completely robust?
[14:02] <NBhosting> how do i run this on reboot iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4
[14:02] <Guest60251> !LIST
[14:03] <ikonia> Guest60251: there are no wares here - get it ?
[14:03] <Stormsys> Ok im using open vz with a unbuntu 10 container - ive set the hostname to a FQDN such as api.x.com(ive done this within the os and also as a config param) it seems that on reboot it is only using an alias "api" as the hostname any clues?
[14:03] <ikonia> Stormsys: how EXACTLY did you set the hostname
[14:03] <intgr> Tom1: If your storage works correctly and applications use the filesystem correctly.
[14:05] <BlackFlag> Does someone know if there is driver to SiS M672 FX + SiS 307ELV and xorg 1.13.3?
[14:05] <Tom1> intgr: why there is high cpu usage for a short time after installing an app in ubuntu?
[14:05] <tom_1> how do you  write ubuntu iso file to usb drive so it will boot
[14:05] <intgr> Maybe it's iowait, the kernel is working on flushing all pending writes to disk.
[14:06] <intgr> I dunno
[14:06] <Tom1> intgr: i mean the high cpu usage lasts only a minute or two. is that normal?
[14:07] <intgr> Doesn't happen here
[14:07] <intgr> But maybe if you have slow storage
[14:07] <Tom1> tom_1:just use unetbootin to boot ubuntu from the pendrive.
[14:08] <SlidingHorn> Can someone elaborate on why php/apache run as privileged users by default & how to secure that without jumping through hoops?  lol
[14:08] <ddssc> how do I create link from console ?
[14:08] <intgr> ikonia: There is nothing for 12.10, 13.04 or 13.10 on old-releases.ubuntu.com
[14:08] <Tom1> intgr: overall the performance of ubuntu on the flashdirve is good, very better indeed. ony slows down when installing new apps.
[14:08] <ikonia> intgr: ok, so they are on releases.ubuntu.com
[14:09] <intgr> *Facepalm*
[14:09] <cpd> No matter what I try I'm constantly getting this Kernel panic error
[14:09]  * SlidingHorn giggles
[14:09] <cpd> I can't install Ubuntu on here at the moment and I've no idea why
[14:10] <intgr> Why the hell is this process not documented if it's supposed to be a supported upgrade path?
[14:10] <Tom1> cpd: are you using a pae kernel
[14:10] <bessono> ddssc, ln --help
[14:11] <ikonia> intgr: what's the actual problem you're hitting ?
[14:11] <ikonia> intgr: give a little more detail
[14:11] <intgr> The problem is I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do
[14:11] <ikonia> !upgrade | intgr
[14:11] <ikonia> intgr: those are the standard upgrade instructions, follow them, and share where it's going wrong
[14:12] <cpd> Tom1: what is a pae kernel?
[14:12] <cpd> And how do I tell?
[14:12] <Ziber> I'm trying to rip DVDs with ubuntu. I guess dvdrip worked, but now I have individual AVI files for each "chapter" of the DVD... I want a continuous one.
[14:12] <NBhosting> this correct?  1.1.1.1/2.2.2.2 is a replacemtn for my real ips  https://dpaste.de/oxQ8
[14:12] <Tom1> cpd: pae means Physical Address Extension
[14:12] <Touhou11> Ziber: Just join them together with ffmpeg
[14:12] <Ziber> Touhou11: How might I do that?
[14:12] <NBhosting> wanna limit access to redus for only those 2
[14:13] <Tom1> cpd: it allows you to use more than 4 gb ram on a 32 bit os.
[14:13] <cpd> I've got a 64bit os
[14:13] <cpd> well
[14:13] <intgr> do-release-upgrade just spewed "An upgrade from 'quantal' to 'saucy' is not supported with this tool"
[14:13] <cpd> I don't have an OS anymroe
[14:13] <cpd> I have 64bit chip
[14:14] <Touhou11> Ziber: http://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/How%20to%20concatenate%20%28join%2C%20merge%29%20media%20files#samecodec
[14:14] <cpd> I removed W8
[14:14] <cpd> But the Ubuntu installation kept failing
[14:14] <ikonia> intgr: that's 12.10 -> direct -> 13.10 isn't it ?
[14:14] <cpd> So now I have nothing
[14:14] <Tom1> cpd: then there is no problem related to pae incompatiility. may be some another problem.
[14:14] <Ziber> Oh. Hm. Let's see here.
[14:14] <Tom1> cpd: are you creating proper swap and /home partitions?
[14:14] <intgr> ikonia: I don't have any control over that, I only have "Prompt=normal" in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:15] <cpd> Every time I boot from USB it comes up with this: http://tinypic.com/r/2vtcv0m/8
[14:15] <cpd> But GParted worked fine
[14:15] <Rex_In_Effect> autolog
[14:15] <cpd> I had some old looking GUI to play around with
[14:15] <tom_1> how do i log off
[14:16] <ikonia> intgr: interesting, I'd expect it to go to 13.04 first.
[14:16] <ikonia> or at least try to
[14:16] <Tom1> cpd: have you created these three paritions properly? / , /home and linux swap?
[14:17] <cpd> No
[14:17] <cpd> I've not created any
[14:17] <cpd> It formatted the disk
[14:17] <cpd> Ubuntu formatted the disk for a fresh install
[14:18] <Tom1> cpd: u have to create the parition properly, and after that u have to see if this kernel panic arises or not
[14:18] <cpd> How do I create the partition now then?
[14:18] <cpd> I have no OS on it
[14:18] <Tom1> tom1: use gparted and format the whole hdd (after making backups of files) and these paritions.
[14:19] <student576> Hi! I am running ubuntu server 11 through putty and use splitvt and just get 3 lines in the bottom screen, anyone knows how to get it bigger, command + just makes the upper screen bigger.
[14:19] <Tom1> boot from pendrive using ubuntu. and then use gparted to make paritions.
[14:19] <intgr> ikonia: Weird, if I disable my APT proxy (we're using apt-cacher-ng) it seems to work.
[14:19] <ikonia> intgr: now that is interesting.....
[14:20] <intgr> Maybe it has cached an earlier version of the saucy upgrade file
[14:20] <cpd> When yous ay "Boot from pendriv using ubuntu" you mean go on to my laptiop, and boot from pendrive with ubuntu installed on it?
[14:20] <intgr> Which thinks it's not supported
[14:20] <cpd> Or rather the ISo on it
[14:21] <TJ-> intgr: answering your earlier question, there is some EOL upgrade info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:21] <Tom1> cpd: u don;t have to install ubuntu, just use a live ubuntu on a pendrive, if u have a ubuntu iso, use unetootin to make a live ubuntu pendrive.
[14:21] <intgr> TJ-: No, I already pursued that and it's unhelpful.
[14:21] <ikonia> intgr: I see what you're saying, but if thats the case, that proxy has a really flawed setup, as that should always be a direct query on version numbers (even via a proxy)
[14:22] <intgr> ikonia: I guess it assumes that package files are immutable, which they are, but this upgrade metadata is an exception
[14:22] <ikonia> intgr: I see the problem you're showing, but I'm dissapointed with it
[14:24] <intgr> Yeah after removing those files from the cache, I can upgrade through the proxy.
[14:24] <ikonia> intgr: I'll see if I can put a note in the wiki for that,
[14:24] <intgr> Thanks for the help, turns out the problem was me all along.
[14:24] <ikonia> intgr: good spot
[14:25] <intgr> The solution is: find /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng -name 'saucy.tar.gz*' -delete
[14:26] <cpd> Does it matter if I install the i386 or amd64 ubuntu?
[14:26] <cpd> What's the difference?
[14:26] <ikonia> intgr: yes, clearing the cache is simple, but I'm wondering if there is a better way to manage this
[14:27] <Tom1> cpd: use the i386
[14:27] <cpd> Whats the difference, I've been trying to use amd64....
[14:28] <Tom1> cpd:i386 refers to the 32-bit edition of windows and amd64 (or x86_64) refers to the 64-bit edition.
[14:28] <Touhou11> Different CPU instruction sets
[14:28] <cpd> Okay but I'm using a laptop that came with W8 preinstalled and UEFI
[14:28] <cpd> I read somehwere that you need to use 64bit edition...
[14:29] <Tom1> 	
[14:29] <Tom1> cpd:The architecture is named after AMD because AMD invented it, with the Athlon 64. Similarly, the 32-bit i386 architecture is named after Intel's 386 processor, because it was the first of its kind, but i386 will also work on AMD processors. So yes you can use that ISO image.
[14:30] <cpd> the whole GParted thing is now giving the same god damn error
[14:31] <Tom1> i think the problem is with UEFI.
[14:31] <Tom1> cpd: can u boot into ubuntu or any linux distro on that laptop?
[14:32] <cpd> not atm
[14:32] <cpd> someteims it works
[14:32] <cpd> I got it working before
[14:32] <cpd> I could boot into Ubuntu
[14:32] <cpd> And I got GParted working about 30 minutes ago
[14:32] <cpd> now both fail
[14:32] <cpd> Its like it fgails sometimes and works others
[14:32] <cpd> But without me making any changes
[14:32] <cpd> I'm scared to turn Boot Mode back to UEFI because I don't know how to return to LEgacy
[14:33] <Tom1> cpd: in UEFI u can't boot easily, leagcy mode is better.
[14:34] <cpd> Aw wel I took the gamble and its the same keys, just it doesnt explicitly give you the option
[14:34] <cpd> I'm in UEFI mode now
[14:34] <Tom1> cpd: really?
[14:34] <Tom1> u can boot ubuntu in UEFI?
[14:35] <cpd> No, it didn't work
[14:35] <Tom1> cpd: i think u should try installing linux mint 16 once, its also based on ubuntu, and has a better installer that rarely crashes.
[14:36] <cpd> from USB?
[14:36] <Tom1> yes
[14:36] <cpd> But you have to eralise
[14:36] <cpd> The proecss I'm currently going through is...
[14:36] <Tom1> put the mint on usb using unetbootin.
[14:36] <foobar33> Why does the software center ask me to buy the "free" intelliJ community edition?
[14:36] <Tom1> go to legacy mode and boot
[14:37] <cpd> Push On Button -> Hit F12 -> Select USB with Ubuntu -> Ubuntu like screen appears with globe like shape at bottom of screen -> Screen goes black -> Kernel panic error comes up
[14:37] <Tom1> Ubuntu is having some problem with its installer, crashes often.
[14:37] <cpd> I'm not even getting into the ubuntu installer
[14:37] <TJ-> foobar33: I think because it's in the paid-for side (maybe proprietary), but will be $£0 cost
[14:38] <Tom1> cpd: it seems like ur uefi is creating the problem, even in legacy mode its creating the problem, u have to work with ur uefi a little bit.
[14:38] <cpd> To be frank, I've no idea what this poxy UEFI thing is.
[14:39] <TJ-> cpd: what exact make/model is the PC?
[14:39] <cpd> Dwnloading 64bit linux mint 15 cinnamon now
[14:39] <AlexHolsgrove> Has anyone managed to get Ubuntu Touch installed on a Galaxy Nexus? I keep getting a black screen after finishing all of the steps
[14:39] <Tom1> cpd: the uefi is the problem, its blocking the os to be loaded, which is causing ur kernel panic.
[14:39] <cpd> Its an ACER Aspire 5
[14:39] <cpd> V5-573
[14:39] <TJ-> cpd: Thanks, that might help us understand what you're seeing
[14:39] <Ziber> I have a bunch of numerated files that I want to concatenate in numerical order... How can I do that?
[14:40] <cpd> I hope so because I've never had so much trouble in all my years trying to install Ubuntu
[14:40] <ddssc> i created an sftpd user on my server and jailed him with DefaultRoot ... I can connect with filezilla from ubuntu but clients can't connect with witndows filezilla . any ideas why this might be?
[14:40] <Lysander> VIVA
[14:40] <Lysander> LA
[14:40] <Lysander> CIUCCIA
[14:40] <cpd> Tom1: You recommend using UNetBootin for this Mint install>?
[14:40] <Touhou11> Ziber: Write a small script in your preferred shell or programming language
[14:40] <Tom1> the UEFI is very complicated and sometimes blocks the non windows os from ooting.
[14:41] <cpd> So I've read, and witnessed first hand
[14:41] <Tom1> cpd: use unetbootin to put the live mint os on a pendrive and then use mintinstall to install it to ur hdd.
[14:42] <Touhou11> UEFI blocking an OS isn't specific to Windows... it just depends if SecureBoot is enabled for an installed OS
[14:42] <TJ-> cpd: When it start up and you've selected USB with Ubuntu .... immediately hold down the Shift key which *should* be detected by the GRUB boot-loader, and put you at a boot menu, so at least we can customise the boot options
[14:42] <SlidingHorn> Ziber, cat *.txt >> allfiles.txt
[14:42] <Mathias> possible to get xen to boot up with secure boot enabled?
[14:43] <TJ-> cpd: If you're seeing the boot-loader splash then SecureBoot isn't the issue
[14:43] <AlexHolsgrove> is there an Ubuntu Touch support channel?
[14:43] <somsip> !touch | AlexHolsgrove
[14:43] <DJones> !touch | AlexHolsgrove
[14:43] <Tom1>  Touhou11: sometimes even after disabling secure boot and fast boot options, the os can;t boot.
[14:43] <TJ-> Mathias: Yes, if the kernel is signed and you're using the shim EFI loader
[14:44] <Tom1> cpd: here is the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[14:44] <Mathias> TJ-: any guides to that?
[14:44] <AlexHolsgrove> #ubuntu-touch ?
[14:44] <Tom1> TJ-: he can;t install ubuntu. there is no os on his hdd.
[14:45] <Tom1> he;s unable to install unbuntu, its giving kernel panics.
[14:45] <TJ-> Mathias: I've never looked for one
[14:45] <TJ-> Tom1: who is "he" ?
[14:46] <Tom1> Tj: cpd.
[14:46] <jbooms> can someone help me with a hardware support question? i researched online but i dont understand linux enough to understand the answers, I would just like to know if this sound card would work with with linux, only way id be using it is through hdmi connected my video card (if thats possible)  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132020
[14:46] <TJ-> Tom1: I'm aware of cpd's issues... if there is a kernel panic then by definition, SecureBoot isn't an issue. A panic will display an oops dump to screen, which if photographed, can give clues.
[14:47] <cpd> I thought secure boot was a W8 thing?
[14:47] <cpd> Ignore me,
[14:47] <TJ-> cpd: Microsoft mandate that UEFI SecureBoot must be used for Windows 8
[14:47] <cpd> Its in the BIOS of ocurse it snot
[14:47] <TJ-> cpd: Prior to Windows 8, it wasn't required
[14:47] <cpd> Yes, I've actually changed from UEFI to Legacy thereby disabling Secure Boot
[14:48] <TJ-> cpd: It's Microsoft's way to try and stop their insecure OS from being compromised at the kernel level.
[14:48] <cpd> Yes I know, but in doing so they've seriously hindered their end user.
[14:48] <jbooms> it doesnt require its used, require its supported, my lenovo had secure boot turned off with windows 8, partyly because machine is totally unstable and mess with secure boot
[14:49] <TJ-> cpd: In UEFI, when you enable the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) better known as Legacy/BIOS/MBR boot, the system will still sometimes start the boot-loader in EFI mode if it detects a valid EFI system partition on the boot media
[14:49] <basketballll> i had ubuntu 13.10 installed along side windows i tried to install 14.04 it crashed half way through and now when i try to boot i get a /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found error
[14:49] <cpd> TJ-: Did you say hold Shift after "Trying Ubuntu"? After this method I'm going to attempt Mint
[14:49] <Tom1> cpd: be careful with UEFI, an incorrect uefi settings may brick ur laptop.
[14:49] <cpd> What's a Bricked laptop?
[14:49] <gangtr> hello everyone
[14:49] <mikeybisbo> I'm using supervisor to start my app on my ubuntu server, but I want to run a script before supervisor starts to pull the latest code, and only then I want supervisor to start everything. is there a nice way to do this?
[14:49] <TJ-> cpd: Yes, "shift" is the GRUB boot-loader key to interrupt it ... have to be holding it down as soon as the UEFI firmware hands over control
[14:50] <Tom1> cpd: bricked means ur laptop will be completely blocked,
[14:50] <cpd> And only fixable if you pay a lot of money I assume
[14:50] <TJ-> Tom1: That's nonsense! The issue with UEFI systems being 'bricked' is when too many EFI variables are written into the UEFI Non-Volatile RAM, which was triggered on Linux by the efibootmgr tool
[14:50] <Tom1> some samsung laptops were bricked after installing linux to them.
[14:50] <jbooms> no linux distro works with my uefi or secure boot at all, ive tried everything, only way works is cms legacy, its a mess, i got tons of boot entries under "other" for fedora, ubuntu and other distros that wont go away either lol
[14:51] <gangtr> what is gksudo?
[14:51] <basketballl> !gksudo | gangtr
[14:52] <basketballll> bazhang: i had ubuntu 13.10 installed along side windows i tried to install 14.04 it crashed half way through and now when i try to boot i get a /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found error
[14:52] <Tom1>  Tj: its not completely nonsense, have a look. u have to be just little bit careful with UEFI http://www.anandtech.com/show/6713/samsung-laptops-bricked-by-booting-linux-using-uefi
[14:52] <TJ-> cpd: No, the repairs were under warranty because the 'brick' issue was caused by buggy UEFI firmware
[14:52] <gangtr> ty ubottu
[14:52] <jbooms> i want to buy this sound card before it goes off sale but i dont know if its supported by linux, and the answers google gives me i dont understand enough about linux to understand the answers, would someone b willing check it out?
[14:53] <Tom1> athough it was the samsung uefi bug.
[14:53] <TJ-> Tom1: Read what I just said. You can't brick it from the UEFI setup/config ... the 'brick' can happen when efibootmgr writes new EFI variables to NV-RAM.
[14:53] <cuddylier> Is it possible to automatically nullroute an IP that goes over a certain traffic limit using e.g. iptables?
[14:54] <Touhou11> jbooms: Check the kernel, see if there's a driver for it
[14:54] <Tom1> Tj: i agree with you, ut still its a problem with some laptops with uefi.
[14:55] <TJ-> cuddylier: If you use netfilters conntrack and packet counts, yes you can
[14:55] <jbooms> it says works with alsa, but i thought ubuntu was gstreamer, like said i dont understand linux enough to understand the answers lol
[14:55] <foobar33_> Any suggestions for using google drive on ubuntu?
[14:55] <TJ-> Tom1: Agreed, a bug in the firmware implementation when the NV_RAM gets more than 50% full, if I recall correctly
[14:55] <Tom1> Tj: a poorly designed UEFI system can be problamatic.
[14:55] <cuddylier> TJ- Do you know of any tutorials that combine all 3?
[14:56] <TJ-> Tom1: My point was, cpd can't brick his PC simply by changing UEFI setup options
[14:56] <Touhou11> foobar33_: Dropbox supports Linux, use that instead
[14:56] <Tom1> Tj: i agree
[14:56] <TJ-> cuddylier: I'd have to Google
[14:56] <Ziber> I'm looking for a good DVD ripping program. On Windows I have AnyDVD and handbrake, which gets me a complete copy of the DVD (right down to the menus), but I have yet to find an equiavlent on Ubuntu. Any thoughts?
[14:56] <jbooms> its this sound card     C-Media CMI8786 chipset, will work with ubuntu?  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132020
[14:57] <cuddylier> TJ- I've tried googling all sorts of things with no luck e.g. 'nullrouting ips at certain packet levels ubuntu'
[14:57] <cla_> pippo
[14:57] <Tom1> Tj: till know this bricking problem has mainly arised in samsung machines, not with other manufactures, cps is using an acer laptop.
[14:58] <Touhou11> Ziber: I used the Windows software DVDShrink using WINE. Easier than any of the Linux equivalents I found.
[14:58] <TJ-> cuddylier: Try "netfilters iptables conntrack counter
[14:58] <jbooms> lenovo, my uefi is garbage, totally buggy, says got bad keys for secure boot, get screen distortion on boot sometimes, only time works with linux is cms legacy, add that to list of crappy hardware its an H430
[14:59] <jbooms> lol
[14:59] <TJ-> cuddylier: Once you have counters running, you can DROP/REJECT packets based on the counter value
[14:59] <mikeybisbo> I'm using supervisor to start my app on my ubuntu server, but I want to run a script before supervisor starts to pull the latest code, and only then I want supervisor to start everything. is there a nice way to do this?
[14:59] <Ziber> Touhou11: I've had a lot of issues with WINE in the past...
[14:59] <Ziber> If I make an iso image, will that keep the DVD menus?
[15:00] <basketballll> TJ-:  can you please help me in a pm
[15:00] <Tom1> may be in near future the manufactures would return back to BIOS , UEFI is creating a lot of nuisance.
[15:00] <TJ-> !pm | basketballll
[15:01] <TJ-> Tom1: I prefer UEFI, it's a joy to use compared to the horrors of BIOS/MBR on modern, especially multiboot, systems. The manufacturers need to iron out the bugs though.
[15:01] <cuddylier> Also, is it possible to have a SSD cache with 2 hard drives in RAID 1?
[15:02] <ikonia> cuddylier: sure
[15:02] <TJ-> cuddylier: You mean bcache + an MD device?
[15:03] <Touhou11> Agreed, EUFI is great, not had any problems on my Mac. Just that some other manufacturers implemented it poorly.
[15:03] <cuddylier> TJ- I'm sorry but what does 'MD' mean?
[15:03] <Ziber> multi-disk
[15:03] <Tom1> Tj: uefi is modern and a new approach ,(althoguh macbooks have being using EFI from a long time), in pc's its a new concept. the uefi needs to be less restricted and more compatible with other os, like linux. i mean uefi is highly restricted.
[15:03] <TJ-> cuddylier: MD is the Linux multi-disk layer, managed using mdadm
[15:04] <basketballll> TJ-:  check pm,please
[15:04] <cuddylier> Would that be the hardware method then? As I thought of just using bcache or do I need other things?
[15:04] <cuddylier> Only reason I want to use cache is to get better read/write speeds with 2 HDDs due to the cost and space of HDDs
[15:04] <jbooms> i think the keys are in possesion of the nsa, why require network boot turned on for win8 certification
[15:04] <ikonia> cuddylier: is this a home system or an enterprise system ?
[15:04] <TJ-> Tom1: Well, EFI has been around since 2001 so its quite old in PC timescales... just that MS mandating its use has forced many manufacturers to switch to it, because they'd dragged their feet over switching earlier, so they have zero experience of it
[15:04] <cuddylier> ikonia Enterprise
[15:05] <ikonia> cuddylier: what raid controller are you using ?
[15:05] <Rory> How do I esscape/deal with filenames starting with a hypen -
[15:05] <cuddylier> ikonia None at the moment, just software RAID
[15:05] <Rory> Bash thinks I mean stdin
[15:05] <basketballll> error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found
[15:05] <TJ-> !pm | basketballll
[15:05] <ikonia> cuddylier: you'd probaly get better results just assining the two disks as bcache rather than a meta device raid
[15:05] <Ziber> Is ripping a DVD simply as easy as "cat /dev/sr0 > /file/for/movie.iso"?
[15:05] <TJ-> cpd: How are you getting on? Did 'shift' get you a grub menu?
[15:06] <Rory> Ziber: That won't rip a video file, but it will make a direct copy of the DVD - you should use dd not cat
[15:06] <Pici> Rory: you should be able to put -- in front of your arguments like: cp -- -foo
[15:06] <cuddylier> ikonia I see, but then I wouldn't have RAID 1 on the two disks?
[15:06] <Ziber> Rory: How can I rip the DVD?
[15:06] <basketballll> TJ-:  error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found    i followed http://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found   and now have a black screen that says gnu grub version 2.00-13ubuntu3
[15:06] <ikonia> cuddylier: correct,
[15:06] <Rory> Ziber: Good call, thanks
[15:06] <cuddylier> ikonia I see, well as it's an enterprise system I really need to protect against data loss if a hard drive dies.
[15:06] <ikonia> cuddylier: but it's only cache
[15:06] <cuddylier> If it was a home system I wouldn't care about RAID
[15:07] <Tom1> Tj: i mean most of the desktop and laptop pc's made before 2011 have being on BIOS . it may have being used earlier with pc's but came into light after 2011 . with windows 8 .
[15:07] <ikonia> cuddylier: it will rebuild on the next system call
[15:08] <cuddylier> ikonia I think I've gotten very confused, I'm investigating this for the first time
[15:08] <ikonia> cuddylier: you just want to use these for cache correct ?
[15:08] <basketballll> ActionParsnip:   error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found    i followed http://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found   and now have a black screen that says gnu grub version 2.00-13ubuntu3
[15:08] <cuddylier> I want to keep two HDDs in RAID 1 so data is stored on that then I want a separate SSD installed to be cache only
[15:09] <cuddylier> So it would cache the RAID 1
[15:09] <cuddylier> aka the hard drives
[15:09] <ikonia> cuddylier: right, so why raid the cache, as the cache is transient
[15:09] <TJ-> basketballll: That error suggests the /boot/ partition doesn't have grub correctly/fully installed
[15:09] <ikonia> cuddylier: not raiding the cache will give a greater cache range
[15:09] <Ziber> Rory: ?
[15:10] <cuddylier> ikonia So the most used files go into the cache and hopefully get a little faster read/write speeds
[15:10] <Rory> Oh sorry Ziber wrong person: you are wanting to rip a DVD to a video file you can play in a media player?
[15:10] <basketballll> TJ-:  i followed the link and now i dont have that error i have the gnu version 2.0 13ubuntu13
[15:10] <ikonia> cuddylier: correct
[15:10] <cuddylier> I don't want to incur the cost of 2x500gb SSDs
[15:10] <cuddylier> Only reason for waiting SSD cache
[15:10] <Fevix> Question, Ubuntu 13.10, System Monitor crashes within less than a second after starting. Any known fix? The physical computer is at my mother's, so I need common fixes that can be done without opening System Monitor.
[15:10] <ikonia> cuddylier: right, so don't raid the SSD's
[15:10] <cuddylier> Yeah
[15:10] <cuddylier> There will only be 1 SSD
[15:10] <ikonia> ahhhh
[15:10] <ikonia> I thought you had 2 x ssd in raid
[15:10] <gordonjcp> Fevix: don't start system monitor, maybe?
[15:10] <cuddylier> and 2 hard drives in RAID 1
[15:10] <ikonia> ok, that makes sense
[15:10] <cuddylier> Nah sorry
[15:11] <Fevix> gordonjcp: Needs to start. Firefox stops responding on startup, and up till today the only fix has been to kill the process through SM, and then Firefox works for a session
[15:12] <Aleksei__> Fevix: you can kill firefox with `pkill firefox'
[15:12] <Tom1> firefox uses a  lot of  ram. i must say.
[15:12] <Fevix> In terminal?
[15:12] <Vivekananda> Hey everyone if I run the commands here especially apt-get upgrade will it upgrade me from 12.04 ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/109404/how-do-i-install-latest-php-in-supported-ubuntu-versions-like-5-4-x-in-ubuntu-1
[15:12] <Aleksei__> Fevix: However, you'd better try to debug it.
[15:12] <Tom1> opera is better than it , very low on ram.
[15:12] <Fevix> I can't debug, she just hung up on me.
[15:13] <Aleksei__> Tom1: Opera is dead.
[15:13] <Vivekananda> Aleksei__: when did it die ?
[15:13] <cuddylier> ikonia: I assume it's totally possible then and a sensible idea?
[15:13] <ikonia> cuddylier: zero issue
[15:13] <Fevix> The machine only has 2GB Ram, is that too little?
[15:13] <cuddylier> ikonia Would I just need to use bcache or do I need to use other things too?
[15:13] <ikonia> cuddylier: bcache works great
[15:13] <Tom1> Aleksei__: no
[15:14] <Tom1> Aleksei__: its still a lot used.
[15:14] <Aleksei__> Vivekananda: When they switched to Chromium base. The development of Opera 12.x has stopped, and the future of its Linux version is doubtful.
[15:14] <Fevix> She was running Chromium, but couldn't play half of her facebook games (Which is the only reason she has the machine)
[15:15] <Vivekananda> thanks
[15:15] <Vivekananda> also can you commentn on my quesstion
[15:15] <Vivekananda> Hey everyone if I run the commands here especially apt-get upgrade will it upgrade me from 12.04 ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/109404/how-do-i-install-latest-php-in-supported-ubuntu-versions-like-5-4-x-in-ubuntu-1
[15:15] <Aleksei__> Fevix: I've got even less (1,5 GB), but Iceweasel (Firefox) works fine. You should go to #firefox at irc.mozilla.org, where you can get help with debugging the browser hang.
[15:16] <basketballll> error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found    i followed http://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found   and now have a black screen that says gnu grub version 2.00-13ubuntu3
[15:17] <cpd> Im back
[15:17] <cpd> Going to try the shif tthing now
[15:17] <Aleksei__> Fevix: now to System Monitor. Try running it from the terminal and catch its output when it crashes. The command is gnome-system-monitor, I guess.
[15:17] <cpd> Brilliant, "uncompression error system halted"
[15:18] <cpd> U;ve got the UNetbootin menu
[15:19] <Aleksei__> Vivekananda: Unless you have non-12.04 repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}, running apt-get upgrade is fine. It will show you the list of packages scheduled for upgrade, so you can always notice if there are too many.
[15:19] <cpd> its just getting uncompression erro for every option
[15:19] <cpd> Try, Install whatever
[15:20] <gordonjcp> Fevix: is this in 12.04?
[15:20] <Fevix> gordonjcp: 13.10
[15:20] <basketballll> my computer boots into gnu grub version 2.00-13ubuntu13 command line
[15:20] <gordonjcp> Fevix: don't inflict 13.10 on non-techy users, it's still pre-alpha
[15:21] <gordonjcp> Fevix: I know it's supposed to be released, but nothing has been tested
[15:22] <Fevix> She's quite techy, she's just been a Windows user forever.
[15:23] <Fevix> Strange.
[15:24] <Fevix> Running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" is giving her "W: Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Release amd64 (20131016.1)/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs"
[15:24] <basketballll> my computer boots into gnu grub version 2.00-13ubuntu13 command line
[15:24] <Warlord> /part/jo/win 9
[15:25] <Warlord> err
[15:25] <vak> hi all
[15:25] <vak> if the process A in the piped invocation 'A | B' pushed to sleep by kernel when the pipe buffer is full, will also all threads of A also go sleep?
[15:26] <Aleksei__> vak: No. Only the thread where write(2) is blocked.
[15:27] <vak> Aleksei__: spasibo :)
[15:27] <Aleksei__> vak: :)
[15:28] <vooze> If I want to try kernel 13.3 should I also install the lowlatency ones?? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13.3-trusty/
[15:28] <vooze> 3.13 *
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> vooze: you want low latency for souncd production etc
[15:28] <notbomberman> Hello: I have some serious trouble.
[15:28] <Aleksei__> Fevix: comment out the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.
[15:28] <yannig_> 0652514473
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> vooze: if you use those we cannot support the drivers they may ormay not have here and so forth
[15:29] <notbomberman> Notably I was trying to install libgd2-noxpm, and it began to uninstall a lot.
[15:29] <vooze> ActionParsnip:  okay, so for normal usage I should just take the 3 standard ones right=
[15:29] <notbomberman> Software-center, gvfs backends, sane-utils
[15:29] <vooze> ?
[15:29] <notbomberman> Not to mention ubuntu-desktop
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> vooze: yes, but again, we cannot support kernels outside the official ubuntu repos here
[15:30] <Fevix> Aleksei__: How do you comment out? //? '?
[15:30] <vooze> ActionParsnip:  oh, I though that was the official kernels
[15:30] <Aleksei__> Fevix: Use #
[15:30] <Nikten> New about Ubuntu 14.04?
[15:30] <notbomberman> I'd love to reinstall all of them, but I'm getting "Resource temporarily unavailable" and "Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/"
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> vooze: no, the only kernels supported here are ones you get from the official ubuntu repos, not random ones you find on the web
[15:31] <Aleksei__> notbomberman: You must be running another apt-get/synaptic/software-center invocation somewhere.
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> notbomberman: are updates installing or software centre open?
[15:31] <notbomberman> Nope
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix | notbomberman
[15:32] <vooze> ActionParsnip:  okay, Is it possible to get 3.13.X from the official repos? It's because I have a haswell CPU + GPU, and I'm thinking it may be better with a newer kernel
[15:32] <cpd> Tom1
[15:32] <notbomberman> Specified filename lock does not exist
[15:32] <cpd> Tom1: I've got Mint on my USB now and booted up with it. I've got the UNetbootin menu
[15:32] <notbomberman> @ ActionParsnip "Specified filename lock does not exist" Sorry, I forgot to add your name.
[15:32] <cpd> Any particular option I should select?
[15:33] <notbomberman> Wait, I figured that out
[15:33] <notbomberman> I'm dumb
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> vooze: no, its not available for Saucy. It may be in Tusty but that is offtopic here and discussed in #ubuntu+1 til release day
[15:34] <vooze> ActionParsnip: okay, thanks for your help :)
[15:36]  * MrElendig thinks it is stupid that ubuntu doesn't ship hybrid images
[15:36] <MrElendig> as the default install images
[15:37] <basketballll> hey is anyone here familiar with boot-repair
[15:38] <notbomberman> ActionParsnip now I'm getting /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code, "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libsane_1.0.23-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[15:38] <notbomberman> Trying to reinstall libsane
[15:41] <maltic> New system. I have a 1TB disk and a 2TB disk. Is there a way I can "combine" these disks on a fresh install (preferably with encryption)?
[15:42] <basketballll> does anyone here know how to use boot-repair as i am beibng told to add repositories
[15:43] <rrittenhouse> Why when I upgraded my 8.04 LTS servers to 12.04 LTS were my custom upstart scripts deleted?
[15:43] <intgr> maltic: You can combine disks in LVM
[15:43] <intgr> maltic: But personally I wouldn't do that. If you lose one disk of the two, you'll lose the whole content.
[15:43] <whoever> basketballll: i think boot-repair is a live cd
[15:43] <basketballll> no i installed it from terminal
[15:44] <Touhou11> rrittenhouse: Were you storing them in the default directories for upstart?
[15:44] <maltic> intgr: hm, good point. Is there a way for me to encrypt the second disk separately then? (I know you can encrypt the OS disk at install time)
[15:44] <TJ-> maltic: You could combine them using mdadm as RAID, or with LVM, but consider the effects of a disk failure if key file-systems span the devices
[15:44] <rrittenhouse> Touhou11: They were in /etc/init/ - is that bad?
[15:45] <intgr> maltic: I dunno about encryption.
[15:45] <Vivekananda> here are you current sources : https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/9052948  do I have to fear the upgrade option ? Also if I do sudo apt-get dist upgrade with the same source list will it allow the distributoin upgrade ?
[15:45] <TJ-> maltic: configuring LUKS encryption is pretty straightforward
[15:46] <maltic> TJ-: so I do the initial install on Disk 1 and let the install disk handle the encryption. then once the system is up I use "LUKS" for the second disk?
[15:46] <basketballll> whoever
[15:46] <basketballll> can you help me in pm
[15:47] <whoever> ya
[15:47] <basketballlll> whoever:
[15:47] <Vivekananda> btw why do I not see the oldies around ?
[15:47] <TJ-> maltic: Yes, or more accurately, use LUKS on partitions, LVs, or file-systems on the second  disk
[15:48] <maltic> TJ-: ok. partition the disk, create a fs, then LUKS. got it.
[15:48] <testercase> I just upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10. Upon reboot, I have a kworker running at 100% CPU (been doing so for a half hour no) no programs running
[15:48] <sammy> why can I alt-sysrq-b but not k? does ubuntu have the killall disabled but not the reboot command?
[15:49] <testercase> is there a way to see WHAT the kworker is actually doing. my concern is because there are _NO_ external programs running. fresh boot.
[15:49] <testercase>  specifically the command in top is kworker/5:1
[15:50] <Vivekananda> anyone care to comment on my questoin ?
[15:50] <Vivekananda> I had two
[15:51] <Guest57425> can i run netflix on ubuntu ?
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> Vivekananda: you can use: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    to get updates. You will still be on Precise though
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> Guest57425: yes with a hack
[15:52] <Vivekananda> oo nice  a familiar face hi ActionParsnip :)
[15:52] <Guest57425> do you know what the hack is called
[15:52] <testercase> is there anyway to make ubuntu work?
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> Guest57425: there is a PPA
[15:52] <Vivekananda> what happened to this channel though! for the past hour or more I saw noone famiilar :)
[15:52] <TJ-> maltic: "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdX" then "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdX LUKS_fs" then you can use it such as "mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/LUKS_fs" .. then you'd need to add it to "/etc/crypttab" so it is unlocked at start-up, if that is what you want: "echo "LUKS_fs UUID=$(blkid -o value -s UUID /dev/sdX) none luks" | sudo tee -a /etc/crypttab"
[15:52] <somsip> testercase: what is the real problem?
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest57425: sudo add-apt-repository sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ehoover/compholio; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install netflix-desktop
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest57425: its not supported here (being a PPA) but may work
[15:53] <sammy> this lappy starts to access the HDD a lot then locks up with the drive still going crazy. i was hoping alt-sysrq-k would yield something useful, but nothing dies. cant find anything in the logs, ssh connections are denied while its 'locked' (hdd goes crazy the whole time) any suggestions?
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> thats good, need to get those lil piles up too
[15:53] <testercase> somsip: after upgrade kworker 100% for past 45 min. can't find a single clue as to whats causing it. no program running. wasnt doing this on 13.04
[15:53] <somsip> testercase: upgrade of what to what?
[15:53] <testercase> 13.04 to 13.1
[15:54] <Guest57425> are there any other flavours of ubuntu
[15:54] <somsip> !flavors | Guest57425
[15:54] <TJ-> sammy: in a terminal run "sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log" ... there may be disk errors occurring
[15:54] <testercase> somsip: for kernal upgrades. 13.04 to 13.1
[15:54] <Guest57425> thanks
[15:54] <testercase> ran using update-manager
[15:55] <somsip> testercase: what sort of computer?
[15:55] <testercase> 3.5ghz 6 core amd 64 bit
[15:55] <amblonera> I am unable to access github.com on my ubuntu machine on a particular ISP, when I conect from a different ISP I am able to access the site, pinging gives Destination Host Unreachable and Traceroute just shows a single hop with the network IP of this machine
[15:55] <testercase> nvidia graphics card, running on xorg drivers (since I had to move them off of binary to upgrade do to ANOTHER bug)
[15:56] <maltic> TJ-: ok, I think I can do that. so create partition, then cryptsetup, then mkfs, then crypttab. got it
[15:56] <somsip> testercase: huge thread here. Probably worth looking through in case there is a fix for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/887793
[15:56] <amblonera> How can I determine whats causing this , can anyone point me in the right direction
[15:56] <sammy> TJ-: I almost wish. nothing reported, SMART extended tests say the drive is fine. no 'seek errors' or the kinds of things you find in the logs of a dying drive. good idea, though
[15:57] <testercase> somsip:
[15:57] <TJ-> sammy: Well, that's good news L)
[15:57] <sammy> thats where I noticed 'sysrq this operation is disabled'
[15:57] <sammy> maybe KSUB isnt the best sysrq sequence anymore
[15:57] <testercase> everything I am reading says that it typically can be about anything. given that threads age do you really feel anything is accurate? they seem to be stating to upgrade kernals, but im on the newest
[15:58] <testercase> is there a way to SEE what kworker is doing, some logs, some errors, something to indicate the internal issue
[15:58] <Rex_> hi fellas, I want to format a flash drive, and I am using a live ubuntu DVD, how can I do that? what is the command?
[15:58] <TJ-> sammy: yes, edit "/etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysreq.conf" to enable things
[15:59] <sammy> testercase: you could try using lsof to see what file handles it has open
[15:59] <somsip> testercase: the final comments are recent enough to maybe apply. I'll leave it with you though.
[15:59] <compdoc> sammy> T, its reallocated sectors and g-force errors you need to worry about
[15:59] <Vivekananda> how do I get circular workspace switching in unity ?
[15:59] <sammy> compdoc: wont SMART report a ot of reallocated sectors as pending failure? or is it when there are lots of them tat need to be realllocated and cant...
[15:59] <Rex_> I trully need some help
[16:00] <rrittenhouse> Touhou11: So yes, they were in the default directory of /etc/init. It was the Tivoili Backup Client (dsmc.conf) - not that it matters I suppose.
[16:00] <TJ-> sammy: You'd get a Can't reallocate... error from the drive in that case
[16:00] <compdoc> sammy, reallocated sectors means the drive is failing, and should be replaced
[16:00] <sammy> compdoc: good info, for sure- the numbers tell the story, not the 'overall health' or whatever oneshot
[16:00] <rrittenhouse> Touhou11: I just had to pull it from backups and run it again but I wasn't sure if there was a reason why the upstart script was removed after an 8.04 -> 12.04 upgrade.
[16:00] <sammy> compdoc: right, but Id worry about lots of them, or more every time I run the test, not a few; its an old drive
[16:01] <TJ-> sammy: If you aren't seeing kernel messages when it happens about drive issues, then don't worry about the drive, focus on running processes. Might be worth having "iotop" running in a terminal to catch it when it happens
[16:01] <compdoc> youre lucky if you only have 1 or 2, and that number doesnt grow. I worry about the drive with that many
[16:02] <Touhou11> rrittenhouse: Possibly the whole directory is overwritten during the upgrade? Odd though. Redhat doesn't do that, not sure about Ubuntu
[16:02] <sammy> compdoc: I would think something would show up in the logs if it were a drive error, something. exactly. I was worried about the drive but there are no errors in *any* log I can find. cpu just seems to run away while the drive is being accessed. iotop- ill look into it
[16:02] <rrittenhouse> Touhou11: Ok. Thanks :) I'll keep looking.
[16:02] <TJ-> sammy: and enable all sysreq functions too!
[16:02] <HadesWatch3r> Rex open GParted
[16:02] <sammy> it happens so inconsistently that I can't seem to recreate it, and its odd that ssh connections are refused when it happens
[16:03] <sammy> TJ-: I almost forgot! thanks for that /etc file heads up. I was really worried when the hdd was accessing and alt-sysrq-k wasn't stopping it
[16:03] <TJ-> sammy: Do you have /var/ on a different file-system?
[16:04] <ice9> how to set the gamma value permanently?
[16:04] <sammy> TJ-: not on this machine, no :( / has plenty of space available
[16:04] <makara> what happened to printer support in Ubuntu
[16:04] <OerHeks> makara still here, why?
[16:04] <makara> I'm trying to install driver for a Canon Pixma MP250 - pretty standard printer
[16:04] <TJ-> sammy: OK ... You know what I have seen... a process eating up memory and going into swap, that does everything you describe
[16:05] <TJ-> sammy: so the drive is paging in and out so aggressively, userspace doesn't get a look-in
[16:05] <OerHeks> makara oh canon, did you check openprinting ? canon is know as not very well supported
[16:05] <makara> but the only option is to install some 'gutenprint' nonsense, which is basically a python script that hangs
[16:05] <makara> ok, but it used to work, so what happened?
[16:06] <TJ-> sammy: It used to happen in the 12.04 days with one of the user-session background file scanners, can't remember which, but do remember having to spend a day diagnosing it and disabling it
[16:06] <makara> try this: system-config-printer
[16:07] <makara> now try get your CLI back
[16:07] <TJ-> makara: Not sure if it helps, but I built printer-driver-gutenprint - the latest version - for Precise 12.04, for a user last night that needed it... it worked fine with their new printer that Trusty doesn't yet support
[16:08] <TJ-> makara: that was for a pixma mg2520
[16:08] <Munster> o/
[16:08] <TJ-> makara: If that is any use to you, the packages are in my development PPA
[16:08] <sammy> TJ-: I do have very low mem in this lappy, so it can get swap happy
[16:08] <TJ-> sammy: I'll wager that's the root cause then
[16:09] <sammy> TJ-: and I did consider maybe a cron job or other thing went to go update indexes
[16:09] <makara> TJ- ?
[16:09] <makara> what's your ppa name?
[16:09] <TJ-> sammy: "watch -n 5 free" in a terminal... and you should see if swap is pressured when it happens
[16:09] <OerHeks> makara, canon has a driver http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/contents/SG/EN/0100236101.html
[16:09] <sammy> re-enabling process control with sysrq should help-- why in the world would they disable sending signals to processes but keep unmount/resync/reboot available? thats very odd
[16:10] <TJ-> makara: https://launchpad.net/~tj/+archive/ppa
[16:10] <TJ-> sammy: System hardening and bug workarounds
[16:10] <sammy> TJ-: are you on the ubuntu payroll? ;)
[16:18] <agger> hi all, was wondering: when I type apt-get <tab> - i get a list of command line options. How is this nice trick performed?
[16:19] <ice9> where is the xorg.conf equivalent in 13.10?
[16:20] <RangerBob> bash completion agger, check out /etc/bash_completion.d
[16:20] <RangerBob> by default it's not used any more ice9 unless you use the nvidia/ati binary drivers then it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:21] <ice9> RangerBob: I want to set xrandr setting permanently
[16:21] <ice9> I dont' have nvidia/ati
[16:21] <agger> great RangerBob, thanks.
[16:21] <RangerBob> you can make one then and just put the bare minimum that you need in it
[16:21] <cuddylier> Anyone know a better method of speeding up HDDs apart from SSD cache or RAID 0?
[16:22] <RangerBob> Try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution ice9
[16:22] <TJ-> cuddylier: dropping them from a 60 storey sky-scraper?
[16:22] <cuddylier> TJ- What a great idea
[16:22] <cuddylier> SSD cache documentation for bcache is frying my brain
[16:22] <cuddylier> Hence why I'm looking for other solutions
[16:23] <TJ-> cuddylier: :) ... seriously, what kind of speed do you want that ssd can't provide? put them on a faster controller?
[16:23] <cuddylier> TJ- I want better speeds on HDDs but without buying SSDs
[16:23] <cuddylier> Mainly due to the cost difference as my budget is severely limited
[16:24] <cuddylier> Because I have a 128gb RAM machine but HDDs normally would completely die under the load
[16:24] <TJ-> cuddylier: I have the same here
[16:24] <cuddylier> I use HDDs on a 72gb machine but fear 128gb would just be too far
[16:24] <TJ-> cuddylier: Well, how about running some stuff from a ramdisk?
[16:24] <cuddylier> I could.. although thing is I ideally need to use all the RAM on the box.
[16:25] <TJ-> cuddylier: clone the ramdisk from a HDD at boot... sync it back out at shutdown
[16:25] <cuddylier> TJ- A RAM disk though obviously uses RAM though doesn't it?
[16:25] <TJ-> cuddylier: OK, well, fast controllers and multipath disks then
[16:25] <cuddylier> Yeah..
[16:25] <cuddylier> As in different RAID options?
[16:25] <cuddylier> E.g. RAID 10?
[16:26] <TJ-> cuddylier: If you want fast disks, but 10 disks in a stripe_mirror array on fast multi-path controllers
[16:26] <cuddylier> Hmm.. I wouldn't want quite as many as 10 disks as I could just buy SSDs then.. hmm
[16:26] <cuddylier> In reality I only need 2x 1tb hmm
[16:27] <filipposavi_> Hi, I have a problem in booting ubuntu after having set up RAID1 especially GRUB2 keeps telling me that he doesn't find raid module, I added GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES to the /etc/default/grub file and issued update-grub command but nothing happened
[16:27] <TJ-> cuddylier: Unless there is a lot of I/O going on, the kernel cache should be quite sufficient
[16:27] <cuddylier> TJ- Thing is, there is an awful lot of I/O going on
[16:27] <cuddylier> Lemme get some figures
[16:27] <TJ-> cuddylier: well, the closer you can get it to the CPU, the better then... I return to ramdisk :)
[16:28] <TJ-> cuddylier: sounds like you just need to get your head around bcache
[16:28] <cuddylier> TJ- Sounds like that to me too..
[16:28] <TJ-> cuddylier: play with it in a virtual machine config
[16:29] <cuddylier> As in a normal virtual machine and just make multiple hard drives?
[16:29] <amblonera> can someone help me with figuring out whats blocking github.com
[16:29] <cuddylier> TJ- Is this high read/write for a HDD? http://puu.sh/6ZKR9.png
[16:29] <TJ-> cuddylier: yeah, I do that all the while. create a bunch of loop devices to represent your HDDs and SSD, then configure them inside the VM
[16:31] <TJ-> cuddylier: is it random writes? 7.2MB/s looks awfully slow
[16:31] <cuddylier> I believe so yes
[16:31] <TJ-> cuddylier: I'd expect better than that unless the disk heads are all over the disk
[16:31] <cuddylier> TJ- http://puu.sh/6ZKYI.png this is a 96gb RAM box
[16:31] <cuddylier> Full of clients
[16:32] <cuddylier> Looking at that latest screenshot, do you think a box with 32gb more RAM would cope?
[16:33] <Pici> amblonera: does  dig github.com  return anything weird?
[16:33] <TJ-> cuddylier: looks like your bottleneck is the controllers and disks
[16:33] <diecastarts> is there a way to disable all hotkey temp . like if i want to play a game i could use a command to disable the hotkeys??
[16:34] <cuddylier> TJ- The disk speeds are fine for what I'm doing on that 96gb RAM box but if I added 32gb more RAM and added the same amount more of clients, would it kill the Hard Drives?
[16:34] <diecastarts> and be able to enable them again when done playing?
[16:34] <amblonera> Pici: here's the dig output http://pastie.org/8742536 which seems unusual
[16:35] <TJ-> cuddylier: what's the I/O wait time on average?
[16:35] <cuddylier> TJ- How do I find that out?
[16:36] <TJ-> cuddylier: iotop, or even 'top' itself show latency
[16:36] <amblonera> Pici: and traceroute gives this http://pastie.org/8742541#2
[16:36] <cuddylier> TJ- http://puu.sh/6ZLhB.png
[16:36] <TJ-> cuddylier: this is a good article: http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2011/02/10/understanding-disk-i-o-when-should-you-be-worried
[16:36] <Pici> amblonera: your dig output says that it is querying your own computer for dns.  Are you running a dns server? is it configured properly?
[16:37] <amblonera> no i am not running any kind of dns server as far as I can remember
[16:37] <amblonera> I am on 12.04
[16:37] <Vivekananda> hey everyone. I reinstalled my os and trying otset up apache root as /home/www rather than /var/www. What is a good way to do this ? is there like a user based config that I can edit ?
[16:40] <TJ-> Vivekananda: read up on mod_user
[16:40] <cuddylier> TJ- I have a 2x E5 - 2609v2 so 8 cores and wait time is spiking to 13% lol
[16:40] <TJ-> cuddylier: Yup, I/O bottleneck
[16:40] <cuddylier> I would have thought so..
[16:40] <cuddylier> It goes down to about 6% but then spikes to 13% every 5-10 seconds
[16:40] <TJ-> cuddylier: what kind of disks? what rotation speeds?
[16:41] <TJ-> cuddylier: for high random-write IOPs you need 10/15k drives to beat the seek latencies
[16:41] <dameansebastian-> halo guys
[16:42] <cuddylier> TJ- 2x WDC WD5003ABYX-0 in RAID 1
[16:42] <diecastarts> no takes on the hotkeys help?
[16:42] <cuddylier> TJ- Likely to be this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136697
[16:42] <ice9> where to set xrandr setting permanently?
[16:44] <cuddylier> TJ- Looks to be 7200 RPM
[16:44] <cuddylier> I assume that's far far too slow?
[16:44] <TJ-> cuddylier: yeah, so slow to seek
[16:44] <TJ-> cuddylier: OK for large sequential read/writes but no good for high random writes, especially
[16:45] <cuddylier> TJ- Yeah, my box is doing a ton of random writes
[16:45] <cuddylier> And needs to
[16:45] <cuddylier> I guess a SSD cache would increase this greatly
[16:47] <TJ-> cuddylier: Indeed
[16:47] <cuddylier> TJ- Are hybrid drives any good at an alternative or should I stay away from them?
[16:47] <TJ-> cuddylier: Are the writes to the same small number of files? if so, caching them in RAM would work too
[16:47] <DrBrownbear> I have multiple files I cat into one file. Eg: A.001 A.002 gets joined by cat A.* > A.ext. Is there anyway I can do that for multiple things easily? Like A.001 A.002 > A and B.001 B.002 > B instead of having to run the command multiple times?
[16:47] <cuddylier> TJ- Yes, usually the same files but sometimes can be different ones. In general it's all small files.
[16:48] <TJ-> cuddylier: Not for server-class stuff you're doing... they're great for laptops of course. Generally hybrids have slow rotational speeds too.
[16:48] <cuddylier> Tj- How much RAM would be used up by caching and would it be written to the Hard Drives often enough to not lose a lot if the box crashes?
[16:48] <TJ-> cuddylier: If the actual size of the files being written to is small then a ramdisk overlay (instead of a cache) might be another clever solution.
[16:49] <TJ-> cuddylier: that's always the trade-off. Assuming you've got UPS then RAM disk/cache should be OK
[16:49] <TJ-> cuddylier: That assumes the rest of the system is stable of course
[16:49] <cuddylier> Yes..
[16:49] <cuddylier> hmm
[16:50] <cuddylier> Would SSD cache then not be the best option if it's lots of small files?
[16:50] <cuddylier> As this will be long term so I have to make the right decision now.
[16:50] <TJ-> cuddylier: E.g. if the files only require 2GB, then a 3GB ramdisk overlay or cache would be quite sufficient
[16:51] <TJ-> cuddylier: There'll be a *lot* of flash writes going on of course, so you'd want good-quality SLC enterprise standard devices
[16:52] <cuddylier> TJ- If the RAM disk is too small will it just keep the rest of the stuff on the disk then?
[16:52] <cuddylier> And does the RAM Disk decide what to put in RAM sorta like SSD cache?
[16:55] <Vivekananda> I did two edits as suggested on this page -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP . ie I changed the /var/www in the apache.conf and also changed  /var/www instead of copying and changing to /home/username/www/  but am still getting permission denied !
[16:56] <xubuntu798> Is here someone who speaks dutch and can help me for a second?
[16:56] <tmmunq> !nd
[16:56] <beandog> ugh, how do you get the version of a package installed
[16:57] <trijntje_> beandog: check the software center
[16:57] <beandog> -_-
[16:57] <beandog> sorry, using dpkg I meant
[16:57] <beandog> :)
[16:57] <TJ-> cuddylier: No, it's a bit more complicated, in fact, I'm not sure there is anything entirely suitable in mainline kernel currently
[16:57] <beandog> cannot figure it out
[16:57] <tmmunq> ubottu doesnt know about netherlands or im using the wrong code..
[16:57] <trijntje_> dpkg -l packagename
[16:57] <cuddylier> Ah :(
[16:57] <trijntje_> !nl
[16:57] <beandog> trijntje_: ah, many thanks :D
[16:58] <tmmunq> thanks
[16:58] <djangonoob> hi, can you pls help me fix my ubuntu system. I have problems uninstalling (reinstalling) nginx(-full) E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:59] <djangonoob> I just see something in console in a vurtuel console (ctrl+alt+f1)
[16:59] <raub> djangonoob: elaborate
[17:00] <djangonoob> raub: do you need more infos?
[17:01] <jhutchins> djangonoob: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[17:01] <beandog> crap.  now I forgot what package I was looking up the version for.
[17:02] <raub> jhutchins: I was thinking maybe the apt log file from the time he wanted to update package onwards might tell a few things
[17:02] <ibDoug> New here
[17:02] <ibDoug> Facebook and Gtalk not working
[17:03] <ibDoug> Any ideas?
[17:03] <JozhaTheManager> hey! i need a help with caching webistes. i'd like to install varnish but i have php id generator for analytics on my page. it possible to run only that piece of code in php, but other stuff should be cached?
[17:03] <FiremanEd> !details | ibDoug
[17:03] <djangonoob> I was trying to uninstall nginx nginx-full nginx-common after a restart the system is not starting as usual and I see an error (brokencount > 0) and there is something wrong with dependencies
[17:03] <djangonoob> and if I start a console I dont see anything inside
[17:04] <raub> djangonoob: what do you mean by "and if I start a console I dont see anything inside"
[17:04] <unbelivable> I feel like I may have been rooted. Im seeing 3 (outgoing?) connections on my system. 1 to torproxy07.teamcymru.net, one to static.18.106.4.46.clients.your-server.de, and another to assk2.torservers.net. I DO NOT USE TOR
[17:04] <djangonoob> I dont see a prompt or some input
[17:04] <unbelivable> is there a way to see what programs are making these connections?
[17:04] <djangonoob> just a black window
[17:04] <jhutchins> unbelivable: netstat -a
[17:05] <raub> djangonoob: then you have two distinct issues
[17:05] <ibDoug> I have a problem with Empathy messaging on 12.04 both facebook and gtalk will not conect
[17:05] <raub> ssh into machine then
[17:05] <raub> unbelivable: you could unpluck machine from network while you take a quick look-see
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> ibDoug: can other clients connect ok?
[17:05] <wheatthin> unbelivable, do you have a webserver or something that would be open to rooting?
[17:05] <unbelivable> all I get is -   tcp        0      0 my-box:43713        torproxy07.teamcy:https ESTABLISHED
[17:06] <Vivekananda> can anyone comment on my permissions denied ?
[17:06] <unbelivable> no, no open webservers. i do local testing with node, but nothing should be external
[17:06] <Vivekananda> I did two edits as suggested on this page -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP . ie I changed the /var/www in the apache.conf and also changed  /var/www instead of copying and changing to /home/username/www/  but am still getting permission denied !
[17:06] <raub> unbelivable: so, find who is using that local port
[17:06] <unbelivable> you mean 43713?
[17:06] <wheatthin> unbelivable, raise your ufw
[17:06] <unbelivable> ufw?
[17:07] <raub> unbelivable: yep
[17:07] <unbelivable> call me nieve, but this is exactly what Ive been trying to do and can't figure it out
[17:07] <wheatthin> Vivekananda, you must add it to the www-data grup
[17:07] <wheatthin> group*
[17:07] <unbelivable> i thought it was lsof
[17:07] <unbelivable> but that doesen't do anything
[17:07] <Vivekananda> okay
[17:08] <wheatthin> install gufw if it's a desktop
[17:08] <wheatthin> much easier
[17:08] <TJ-> unbelivable: "sudo netstat -npta" will report the processes owning each socket
[17:08] <unbelivable> awesome, thanks tj
[17:09] <raub> unbelivable: lsof -i :port should have worked
[17:10] <unbelivable> they all are being in use by 1725/tor. which woulden't be surprising. if i ran TOR on this system
[17:10] <unbelivable> except this system never connects to onions
[17:11] <unbelivable> tors never been (knowingly) installed. etc etc.
[17:11] <unbelivable> and if its running, its running completely invisibily and on boot
[17:11] <TJ-> unbelivable: To block all outgoing connections at the firewall you can do something like "sudo iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -i ethX -p tcp -m tcp --sport 22 -j ACCEPT" (that'll allow your SSH connections to continue), then "sudo iptables --policy OUTPUT REJECT" which would prevent *all* outgoing connections unless an ACCEPT rule is in the OUPUT table.
[17:11] <TJ-> unbelivable: "ps -efly | grep 1725"
[17:11] <Touhou11> unbelivable: You need to nuke the computer from space
[17:12] <Mathias> any good guides for signing kernel modules? (secure boot)
[17:12] <macintosh_osx> hello
[17:12] <TJ-> unbelivable: or else "ls -al /proc/1725/exe"
[17:13] <unbelivable> not sure what that commands supported to do
[17:13] <unbelivable> S mrgarfunkle    11774  4145  0  80   0   948  3411 pipe_w 11:12 pts/3    00:00:00 grep --color=auto 1725
[17:13] <TJ-> unbelivable: identify the path to the tor exectuable, if it is hidden
[17:13] <Touhou11> macintosh_osx: Hello '/_'
[17:13] <TJ-> ubottu: " 1725/tor" tells us process ID 1725, exectuable name "tor"
[17:14] <TJ-> unbelivable: : " 1725/tor" tells us process ID 1725, exectuable name "tor"
[17:14] <unbelivable> yea, I assumed that was the PID
[17:14] <unbelivable> your second command does nothing (running ubuntu)
[17:14] <unbelivable> simply says no such file or directory
[17:14] <TJ-> unbelivable: if it is not showing up from a 'ps' list then it looks like a root-kit exploit... check again with netstat in case it is respawning with different PIDs
[17:14] <macintosh_osx> Touhou11, nice mac face :)
[17:15] <vicsar> .
[17:15] <TJ-> unbelivable: That's when  "ls -al /proc/$PID/exe" can help
[17:15] <unbelivable> all the outgoing connections (using conky) disappeared randomly
[17:15] <unbelivable> i do not believe i did anything to trigger them
[17:16] <unbelivable> all i see is the connection to webchat.freenode.net now
[17:16] <unbelivable> this is really scaring me
[17:16] <TJ-> unbelivable: Or you could try "sudo grep tor /proc/{1..9}*/exe"
[17:16] <unbelivable> s there a way for me to find it now that the connections are no longer active according to conky?
[17:17] <TJ-> unbelivable: not by those means, no
[17:17] <unbelivable> does anyone have any suggestions? i really cannot have boxes getting compromised
[17:17] <kyle__> unbelivable: You're not being very beleivable.
[17:17] <TJ-> unbelivable: see if it is a standard package installed with "dpkg-query -S tor" ... search for a binary with "which tor" or "locate tor"
[17:18] <unbelivable> which tor did nothing. locate tor gave a bunch of paths seemingly unrelated.
[17:18] <vak> do the sysctl variables net.ipv4.tcp_* affect the UDP?
[17:19] <TJ-> vak: The clue is in the "tcp"
[17:20] <vak> TJ-: i can read, but on a blog it was mentioned that UDP is affected as well -- i do doubt that
[17:20] <unbelivable> the commonality here was that all the connections DID report their process name as tor so
[17:20] <unbelivable> is there a way for me to block it like THAT at the iptables level?
[17:20] <unbelivable> (obviously given the PID will probably change)
[17:20] <kyle__> vak: you may have more luck in a kernel-level channel, or on serverfault.
[17:20] <Yash> Hi..can anyone here help me with X server and .Xauthority?
[17:21] <sammy> unbelivable: Id worry about removing the box's access to the internet completely if youre worried its compromised.
[17:21] <vak> kyle__: i see, thanks
[17:22] <TJ-> vak: "man 7 udp"
[17:22] <Mathias> hmm, apparently if ubuntu is installed with uefi, if you disable it. ubuntu won't boot
[17:22] <unbelivable> yea, I think im going to completely re-install. however I want to push some of my work to git first
[17:22] <Yash> Hi..can anyone here help me with X server and .Xauthority?
[17:22] <unbelivable> ala, losing 3-4 days programming work is hardly "fun"
[17:22] <sammy> unbelivable: if you have lsof you can use it to see what file handles are open, identifying where any open executables are running
[17:23] <unbelivable> yea, it showed it was "tor", but which tor giving no response i think shows its not a legitimate install (which I presumed), but yet it identifies itself AS tor which is weird
[17:23] <unbelivable> was hoping i could block it based on that commonality
[17:23] <sammy> if you're finding 'tor' named processes in other things like top or ps, then you probably haven't been compromised. most rootkits install fake versions of process listers and such that hide what the hacker is doing.
[17:23] <unbelivable> it wasn't in top.
[17:24] <unbelivable> it was from conky and outgoing connections
[17:24] <sammy> unbelivable: sorry I came in half way :P ahh. try `sudo netstat -ntp`
[17:25] <sammy> that should give you numerical processes with open TCP ports, which you should be able to use with lsof to see what files those processes have open
[17:25] <m1dnight_> hey guys
[17:25] <unbelivable> yea, others helped me get it past that. the connections stopped arbitrarally a bit ago (no provocation)
[17:25] <unbelivable> thank you everyone so so so much for helping me with this, its freaking me out
[17:25] <m1dnight_> I have owncloud client running, can I simply install a newer version over it? OR do I uninstall? (havent dont that before)
[17:25] <sammy> but you're worried about them stopping and want to use iptables to banish a particular app from using the net?
[17:26] <sammy> s/stopping/starting again/
[17:26] <unbelivable> i want to stop it, so that I feel safe pushing my work to bitbucket
[17:26] <unbelivable> and then ill do a fresh install
[17:26] <unbelivable> none of the connections appear to be happening at the moment though
[17:26] <unbelivable> but they were just a few minutes ago
[17:26] <sammy> I'd honestly just assume its compromised, push your work, change your password
[17:26] <unbelivable> yea, im assuming I am
[17:27] <sammy> you could do any number of things but its possible the apps that actually tell you what is running/using the net/etc are compromised
[17:27] <sammy> so those things wont be helpful unless you do a lot of them
[17:28] <djangonoob> after some problems with uninstalling nginx-full (i think I fixed this issue) after a system restart I saw no prompt and no input in a terminal (only a black window) and I had some other "color" issues.  After checking system theme I saw that nothing was selected.  I clicked at the list and high contrast was automatically selected because there is no other. Now I see input in terminal but I dont like high contrast
[17:28] <djangonoob> shouldnt there be by default some other theme than high contrast?
[17:29] <unbelivable> im pretty sure conky is not compromised, its my own script
[17:29] <tumlee> Is anybody else having issues trying to install libsdl2-dev through apt-get?
[17:29] <tumlee> It's trying to upgrade glib2 for some reason, and it's failing
[17:29] <Yash__> Can anyone help me with X server and .Xauthority?
[17:30] <Yash__> X forwarding?
[17:30] <Yash__> Xming?
[17:30] <unbelivable> thank you everyone for your help again! I wish I could return the favor unfortunately I think everyone here knows more then I
[17:31] <cpd> Back again
[17:32] <kindjal> Does anyone know if Ubuntu still uses Soyuz for automated package building?
[17:32] <kindjal> And then, if there is documentation for setting up one's own Soyuz based build farm?
[17:32] <Yash__> Anyone used Xming?
[17:32] <cpd> I've been attempting to install Ubuntu to my ACER V5 laptop that currently has nothing on it (no OS). I've been having trouble booting frmo the USB as it consistenyl gave a Kernel panic error and something about not be able to mount to the fs. Having managed to get an Ubuntu screen up and hit SHIFT I now can see a list of options: "Live", "Install", and some other stuff. When I try to install
[17:32] <cpd> it just restarts the laptop and seems to try and boot frmo the harddisk which has nothign onit.
[17:33] <cpd> Do I need to somehow create a partition for ubuntu or will it do it itself from the USB before installing?
[17:33] <TJ-> cpd: progress!
[17:34] <TJ-> cpd: Now you can get to the GRUB boot menu, you can edit the kernel's boot command list so we can get some useful information
[17:34] <TJ-> cpd: Which version of ubuntu?
[17:35] <cpd> Erm
[17:35] <cpd> ubuntu 12.04 64bit
[17:35] <TJ-> cpd: I can run the same version here in a virtual machine, and guide you better
[17:36] <TJ-> cpd: OK, give me a few minutes to grab a drink and get it ready
[17:36] <cpd> t6hank you
[17:36] <cuddylier> Would a Hardware RAID card realistically give any better read/write speeds compared to software RAID?
[17:36] <cuddylier> If using RAID 1
[17:38] <Arceye> do I need to install samba file server to share files from xubuntu so my windows box can access them ?
[17:40] <TJ-> cuddylier: No, RAID1 won't accelerate writes
[17:40] <Yash__> can anyone please help me with X forwarding using Xming
[17:40] <Yash__> ?
[17:40] <stepjohn> cuddylier: There isn't that much in it, in regards to speed.
[17:41] <cuddylier> I thought so, thank you.
[17:41] <stepjohn> cuddylier: But that depends of cpu speed and ram etc/
[17:41] <Okitain> Arceye: yes, that's the function Samba does.
[17:42] <stepjohn> cuddylier: I have had really really good experience with zfs on linux
[17:42] <stepjohn> cuddylier: But that's all for homeserver stuff.
[17:42] <Arceye> Okitain, thanks, I wanted to confirm it was what I needed before I went ahead and tried
[17:42] <Okitain> Yash__: what do you require?
[17:42] <cuddylier> stepjohn What is zfs exactly? I see the wikipedia article
[17:43] <Yash__> I am unable to confugure x forwarding using xauthority
[17:43] <stepjohn> cuddylier: zfs is a software based raid / filesystem
[17:43] <cpd> I'm, ready when you are TJ-
[17:43] <Okitain> cuddylier: it's a filesystem made for everything-but-linux.
[17:43] <Yash__> Okitain, I am unable do x forwarding using Xming
[17:43] <stepjohn> Okitain: you can run it on linux,
[17:43] <Yash__> Okitain: basically...i got no gui..I am trying to use SPE python editor
[17:44] <stepjohn> Okitain: using zfs fuse or the kernel module
[17:44] <ajoul> HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO
[17:44] <ajoul> I AM TRYING TO EDIT REDSHIFT CONFIG FILES BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED IN UBUNTU
[17:45] <cuddylier> Okay, back to my bcache adventure
[17:45] <Yash__> Okitain: any idea?
[17:45] <Okitain> stepjohn: yeah, but they designed it for... BSD, I believe?
[17:46] <stepjohn> Okitain: It was design for Solaris, the licence isn't gpl compatible so they can't ship it with the kernel.
[17:46] <Okitain> Yash__: so you are trying to get something to run on Windows from a headless server?
[17:47] <Yash__> Okitain:yes
[17:47] <Yash__> Okitain: it used to work earlier...but i think i messed up the .Xauthority file a bit
[17:47] <Okitain> Huh, I just used SSH forwarding through and through.
[17:47] <ajoul> I AM TRYING TO EDIT REDSHIFT CONFIG FILES BUT I DONT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED IN UBUNTU
[17:48] <Okitain> ajoul: be patient, please.
[17:48] <Yash__> Okitain: when when i say echo $DISPLAY on my headless server..it says servername:11.0 ...earlier it used to say localhost:11.0
[17:48] <Pici> ajoul: please stop using caps.
[17:48] <Rex_In_Effect> will someone plz same my name
[17:48] <ajoul> OKITAIN OK SORRY DIDN'T KNOW PEOPLE LOOK AT SO PAST LOGS
[17:48] <ajoul> pici sorry my caps key was stuck
[17:49] <Rex_In_Effect> will someone plz same my name
[17:49] <work_> Can someone show me how to install tmux 1.8 on ubuntu? I found this, but don't know how to proceed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tmux
[17:49]  * ajoul attempts to remain patient 
[17:49] <Pici> ajoul: It says where to put the configuration file on redshift's website (scroll down): http://jonls.dk/redshift/
[17:50] <ajoul> Pici so it doesn't create it by default?
[17:50] <cpd> TJ-: Still around?
[17:50] <Pici> ajoul: thats what it says.
[17:50] <ajoul> Nonsense
[17:51] <streulma> Hello, sometimes I get the error Keyboard Language Indicator crashed in Ubuntu 13.10. Are there more people that get it ?
[17:51] <Okitain> ajoul: not .redshift or .config/redshift?
[17:52] <Yash__> Okitain: any idea?
[17:52] <ajoul> Okitain it doesn't exist I tried searching in home config folder in root config folder
[17:52] <ajoul> everywhere
[17:52] <work_> Can anyone show me how to install this package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tmux
[17:52] <OerHeks> ajoul, that url from Pici is clear where the .conf is, the '. ' means hidden
[17:52] <LucasP> #cyborn
[17:52] <OerHeks> ajoul it is in jour /home/
[17:53] <Yash__> any help with setting Display variable?
[17:53] <ajoul> OerkHeks I explained that the redshift config does not exist I didn't say I can't find the config folder
[17:53] <ajoul> read more carefully next time
[17:54] <macintosh_osx> from my personal experience with  linux, it it does not prevent you from use the computer, then ignore it because, it is likely some kind of bug that will be overlooked in favor of larger bugs :)
[17:54] <wheatthin> be nice jeez
[17:54] <Yash__> can anyone help me set the Display variable with X forwarding?
[17:55] <wheatthin> Yash__, I believe that's a pre-defined commented setting in your ssh.conf file
[17:56] <streulma> indicator-keyboard-service crashed it is, why ?
[17:56] <Yash__> wheatthin: yes..i did uncomment it
[17:57] <wheatthin> restart the service?
[17:57] <Yash__> wheatthin: the thing is..i am using Xming to do x forwarding...i am trying to get a display on windows for my headless server
[17:57] <TJ-> cpd: I shan't be able to help you right now - just had a UPS explode in one of the cabinets!
[17:57] <streulma> macintosh_osx: are you using Ubuntu on your Mac ? :)
[17:58] <wheatthin> Yash__, so why not ssh/vnc?
[17:58] <Yash__> wheatthin: will i be able to open SPE python editor with vnc? its like gedit
[17:59] <wheatthin> yup, it'll run a complete virtual desktop
[17:59] <wheatthin> and be encrypted :) over ssh
[17:59] <Vivekananda> I added my user ( admin user) to www-data group and something went horribly wrong ( not sure this is the cause ). Now my 'Home' is seen on my home screen . Normaly I should be seeing my "Desktop" on my home screen
[18:00] <Yash__> wheatthin: I have never used vnc..can you help me setup vnc?
[18:00] <wheatthin> I can direct you to documentation :)
[18:00] <wheatthin> Yash__, just    sudo apt-get install vnc4server
[18:01] <wheatthin> Yash__, then   vncserver :0
[18:01] <wheatthin> and select your password
[18:01] <Vivekananda> do I have to reinstall ubuntu ?
[18:01] <Yash__> ok
[18:01] <Yash__> wheatthin: doing it..one min
[18:02] <zeeshan> anyone here use xrdp before?
[18:02] <cpd> Aw that sucks
[18:02] <zeeshan> so in windows i connect to the ubuntu server
[18:02] <cpd> Is there any way you can guide me in debugging stuff?
[18:02] <kyle__> zeeshan: Yes.  Worked pretty well.  Why?
[18:02] <zeeshan> then it says "login to xrdp" and gives me an option to choose different modules
[18:02] <Yash__> wheatthin: what do i do next
[18:02] <Yash__> ?
[18:02] <zeeshan> which module do i choose?
[18:02] <cpd> Every time I try to do Live Mode Install or anything else it says theres an "Uncompression error"
[18:03] <Vivekananda> On nautilus I dont see "Desktop" as one of the destinations one the left bar
[18:03] <zeeshan> if i try "sesman-Xvnc" and use my login and password, i get an error
[18:03] <Yash__> wheatthin:xauth:  /home/ericsson/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored xauth:  /home/ericsson/.Xauthority not writable, changes ignored  New 'a4:0 (ericsson)' desktop is a4:0
[18:03] <zeeshan> "connecting 127.0.0.1 591, error - problem connecting"
[18:03] <zeeshan> 5910 i mean
[18:03] <kyle__> zeeshan: Have you run xrdp on the linux side yet?
[18:04] <Yash__> wheatthin:: what do i do next after selecting a password?
[18:04] <wheatthin> Yash__, hmm that's odd.. are you in Users group?
[18:04] <zeeshan> kyle__ no
[18:04] <zeeshan> i thought it was a service that was launched at boot?
[18:04] <wheatthin> then you get your ssh client.. what system are you using to connect from?
[18:04] <Yash__> wheatthin: sorry? do i need to be root?
[18:04] <zeeshan> windows 7 remote desktop client
[18:05] <JCM83> Hey uh, I'm trying to get cupsd to work, anyone feel like fighting it with me?
[18:05] <wheatthin> Yash__, Yeah you probably might launch it from root, but usually you don't have to
[18:06] <zeeshan> when i do service --status-all
[18:06] <zeeshan> [ ? ]  xrdp
[18:06] <zeeshan> i get that.
[18:06] <wheatthin> Yash__, your machine says it has a head tho, already opened
[18:06] <wheatthin> Yash__, what os are you connecting from?
[18:06] <Yash__> wheatthin: Ubuntu
[18:07] <Yash__> wheatthin: i tried from root..it says A VNC server is already running as :0
[18:07] <wheatthin> yash then open the software manager and install the sshvnc program
[18:07] <wheatthin> ahh so it's running then
[18:07] <wheatthin> sshvnc viewer
[18:08] <Yash__> wheattin: i cannot open software manager...there is no gui
[18:08] <wheatthin> no, on the client machine man
[18:08] <Joshun> hi
[18:08] <Joshun> anybody know why reverse printing is broken in 13.10?
[18:08] <JCM83> What's "reverse printing"?
[18:09] <Joshun> JCM83: printing so that you don't have to manually go through and put every single page in order
[18:09] <wheatthin> it should do that already
[18:09] <Joshun> wheatthin: it never has
[18:09] <OerHeks> Joshun, works fine here, backwards and double sided backwards
[18:10] <Joshun> OerHeks: weird, its a brother printer aswell with official linux support
[18:10] <c4iff> Got an interested question about a set up, Using Xubuntu 13.10 and everything works fine, so I know it works. However if I use the exact same version of Xubuntu with VirtualBox and create a USB filter for it on a Windows system it sees the Ipad but constantly tells me it cannot mount a locked device and to disable password protection ( which it doesn't have enabled)
[18:10] <Joshun> mirror printing works but what would be the use in that
[18:11] <wheatthin> Yash__, were you able to install it?
[18:11] <JCM83> I'm using Ubuntu's Printer's service, and it says it can't contact the printing service. I've gone into Terminal and run $sudo service cups start, cups comes online, but still can't connect to printing server.
[18:11] <Yash__> wheatthin? how can i install ? i have no gui
[18:11] <c4iff> I"m curious if just a limitation of Virtual box and Ipad's trust/don't trust confirmation
[18:11] <wheatthin> Yash__, dude, on your client machine I said
[18:12] <Yash__> wheattin: client is windows
[18:12] <wheatthin> server is headless, client is what you're working from
[18:12] <Joshun> I think it might just be fixed now
[18:12] <Joshun> I thought
[18:12] <wheatthin> Yash__, so you're using putty or something?
[18:12] <Yash__> wheatthin: from windows i am conencting a access server(centos) using putty and then i am conencting a rackserver(ubuntu) using putty again with x forwarding enabled
[18:13] <Joshun> anybody know a command to completely reset a cups printer settings?
[18:14] <JCM83> Joshun dude cups is what's bugging me. I tried sudo apt-get remove cups, then sudo apt-get install cups.
[18:14] <JCM83> Oh and sudo apt-get clean cups
[18:14] <Joshun> JCM83 - I suppose purging it may work
[18:14] <JCM83> yeah that should
[18:15] <JCM83> "purge" cleans config files I believe.
[18:15] <basketballllllll> how do i upgrade to 13.10 from 13.04 without a live disk
[18:15] <Vivekananda> I guess will wait a bit
[18:15] <Vivekananda> for my question
[18:16] <basketballllllll> bazhang: how do i upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 without a live disk\
[18:16] <JCM83> funny though even when I run cups using $sudo service cups start, and get "job is already running," if I then do $sudo service --status-all I get a [-] in front of the cups process.
[18:16] <hitsujiTMO> !eolupgrade | basketballllllll
[18:17] <Medo> Hello :)
[18:17] <Yash__> wheatthin: ??
[18:17] <wheatthin> Yash__, so ssh tunnel to the your wanting to connect to on port 5900
[18:18] <Yash__> wheatthin: sorry..i didnt get that
[18:18] <basketballllllll> when i tried to burn iso to disk from the website for 13.10 i gort an n error
[18:19] <17WAA4D1L> Superman or Spiderman?
[18:19] <DJones> 17WAA4D1L: Er, no, this is UBuntu support
[18:19] <wheatthin> Yash__, http://crl.ucsd.edu/handbook/vnc/
[18:19] <zerowaitstate> basketballllllll: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades
[18:19] <sazawal> I am trying to install a package called sbagen on Ubuntu 13.10 64 bit. But I am getting a number of error and warning statements (please see http://pastebin.com/Xgn30svY ), can somebody help!!
[18:20] <17WAA4D1L> DJones you are definitely a batman guy
[18:20] <lalelilolu> hey guys can someone explain me please how to get vidalia to work
[18:20] <Joshun> Turns out that actually disabling reverse printing fixed it. Brother must have edited their drivers to print in reverse by default
[18:20] <zeeshan> do you need another program installed on top of xrdp to get it to connect to an existing session in ubuntu 10.04?
[18:22] <17WAA4D1L> How do you create an Operating System like Ubuntu?
[18:22] <lalelilolu> noone can help with vidalia
[18:22] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | 17WAA4D1L try ##linux ... custom distros are offtopic here
[18:23] <Vivekananda> Something weird happened to my fresh ubuntu 12.04 install. I was trying to fix permissions denied for apache for /home/username/varun. in the process I included my user ( admin rights) to www-data and for some reason my homescreen now no longer shows /home/username/desktop but it is showing /home/username/    Can someone help me fix this ? Also my nautilus nav bar on left now does not show "Desktop" as a destination.  Ctrl+D is
[18:23] <Vivekananda> not working there too !
[18:24] <lalelilolu> please tor runs but i dont get vidalia runs correctly
[18:24] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: what exactly did you run for """ in the process I included my user ( admin rights) to www-data """ ?
[18:25] <Joshun> Vivekananda does /home/<username>/Desktop give permission denied if you try to open it?
[18:25] <Vivekananda> Joshun: no
[18:25] <Joshun> Vivekananda is it simply missing from the nautilus sidebar?
[18:25] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: I installed system utils for ubuntu via apt get then on unity went to 'users and groups' via hud and in there looked for the group www-data and included my username in it
[18:26] <Vivekananda> Joshun: one sec
[18:26]  * reTyp hi all
[18:26] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: can you pastebint the output of: groups                  and: cat /etc/passwd | grep $USER
[18:27] <reTyp> can someone enlight me here how can I boot from external drive without the boot option on bios ?
[18:27] <Joshun> Vivekananda my first thought would be to reset preferences  - remove .gconf, .gnome2 in home dir
[18:27] <Vivekananda> Joshun: http://imagebin.org/293985
[18:27] <Joshun> Vivekananda - warning desktop wallpaper, customisations etc. would be reset
[18:27] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: sure one sec
 been a while since I used the unity-based ubuntu, adding it to the bookmarks by dragging the Desktop folder to the side may work
[18:29] <Joshun> will have to go now, sorry
[18:29] <i3000> hi, how can i install firefox 26 again? today ive updated it and it made problems.
[18:29] <i3000> reinstall 26
[18:29] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/9056231
[18:29] <Vivekananda> np
[18:31] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: also why am I getting permissions denied even after I did what is recommended in install guide ie 1. changed /var/www in apache2.conf to /home/user/www/  and  2. changed the location is default.conf to /home/user/www too ?
[18:32] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: everything looks ok there at least, altho you are not yet part of www-data ( might need a relog after adding the group ). One other thing to check is does the Desktop folder exist: ls -ld $HOME/Desktop          if not then try resetting gnome as Joshun suggested
[18:32] <Ose> what's the thing that pops up in firefox and asks me if I want to "install" reddit/facebook/tumblr/whatever and how do I (1) un"install" reddit and (2) remove the popups?
[18:32] <Arceye> I got a strange thing happening, top output suggests 12% CUP usage if I am reading it right , but task manager is showing 100% , which do I trust ?
[18:33] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: okay I am resetting
[18:34] <Vivekananda> also I removed username from www-data group
[18:34] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: you shouldn't be changing you virtual hosts in apache2.conf... everything should be done in the sites-available folder
[18:34] <Vivekananda> can you tell me why I am getting permissions denied
[18:34] <i3000> how can i install firefox 26 ?
[18:34] <i3000> after update to 27
[18:35] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: it depends on what exactly you changed. are you getitng permission denied when using the browser?
[18:35] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: I assumed I have to include OR change the <Directory> </> tags for the new place. This was also suggest ed
[18:35] <hitsujiTMO> i3000: whats the output of: cat /etc/issue
[18:35] <Vivekananda> yes on browser
[18:35] <Appreciated> hey guys why is there no amd64 kernel? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-rc3-trusty/
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: you you need to give it permission to read the path with the Directory directive
[18:36] <i3000> ubuntu 12.10
[18:36] <i3000> since ff 27 i cannot connect to a certain IP address at work.
[18:37] <i3000> windows users have the same problem.
[18:37] <hitsujiTMO> Appreciated: mainline kernels are unsupported. most likely the build failed
[18:37] <i3000> therefore id like to get back to FF 26
[18:37] <Appreciated> hm ok, was just curious
[18:37] <Appreciated> thanks
[18:38] <reTyp> can someone enlight me here how can I boot from external drive without the boot option on bios ?
[18:39] <IphoneIphoneBB> can i run ubuntu on vm
[18:39] <iceroot> reTyp: install grub on an internal hdd and from there boot from the external
[18:39] <iceroot> IphoneIphoneBB: yes
[18:39] <theuzez> how much area swap should I be allocating if I have six gigs of ram?
[18:39] <theuzez> swap area*
[18:40] <hitsujiTMO> i3000: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_26.0+build2-0ubuntu0.13.04.2_i386.deb          you'd have to follow the dependency trail and ensure all related packages are also downgraded
[18:40] <lalelilolu> did noone using vidalia in its ubuntu
[18:40] <i3000> hitsujiTMO, thnk you
[18:40] <iceroot> i3000: you should not use FF26 because there are security issues
[18:41] <iceroot> !info firefox
[18:41] <i3000> ic
[18:41] <i3000> iceroot, id like to but i cannot connect to a IP
[18:41] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: so that means I have to change/add a new directory directive in the conf too isnt it ?
[18:41] <Vivekananda> but you said not to change it in the apache2.conf
[18:42] <Vivekananda> Also will a log cycle do the nautilus reset or do I have to restart ?
[18:42] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: yes, you should be creating a virtualhost (or modifying the default.conf)
[18:42] <reTyp> iceroot: I'm not sure I did understand
[18:42] <someone235> Hey, I have a 24GB SSD, and 120GB HDD. What is the best way to install Xubuntu on it? How should I divide the partitions etc
[18:42] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: relogging should be enough
[18:43] <streulma> someone235: I should set /home on the 120GB HDD
[18:43] <Vivekananda> but the directory directive exists in side /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and not insite sites-available !!
[18:43] <someone235> streulma, How I do this?
[18:44] <streulma> someone235 are you installing a new Ubuntu ?
[18:44] <JokesOnYou77> someone235: Maybe also set SWAP on the HDD to avoid unnecessary writes?  Though I have my swap on my SSD :P  Just make sure you set up trim to run as a cron and maybe add noatime nodirtime to your fstab
[18:45] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: /var/www is the default virtual host setup in default.conf    if this isn't the case for you then i'd have to ask how you installed apache2
[18:45] <ki7rw> i sure am having a lot of trouble with ssh lately - after typing in exit in the terminal window i don't get dropped back to a local prompt and when i try to close the window with the X i get a message saying that the terminal is still in use - happens on all my machines - some running 13.10 but most running 12.04
[18:46] <ki7rw> not to mention that i have to force kmail to quit - and sometimes i get a DBUS error message when trying to restart the app
[18:46] <hitsujiTMO> ki7rw: are you connection to the same ssh server from each of the machines?
[18:46]  * ki7rw has already tried a fresh install on 2 machines - same issues
[18:47] <DJones> ki7rw: I use "logout" to close the irc session rather than exit, does that do the same?
[18:47] <JokesOnYou77> ki7rw: I don't know about KMail and the dbus error, but when ssh hangs at logout (and I typically use logout instead of exit) for me it typically means a lag problem on the server side
[18:47] <reTyp> iceroot: I already have grub, just dont get the bootable windows working
[18:47] <ki7rw> DJones: logout does the same thing
[18:48] <ki7rw> hitsujiTMO: to any ssh server on any of the machines
[18:49] <hitsujiTMO> ki7rw: the only common ground in that scenario then would be the net connection you are connecting over
[18:49]  * ki7rw wonders if anything works properly no matter what the electronic device is
[18:50] <TJ-> ki7rw: running "ssh -vvv ...", does that reveal anything when the connection ends? If it does, that indicates the problem is in the disconnect of the SSH session, if it doesn't show anything about the SSH protocol when you do "exit" that indicates the problem is on the remote side. Increase log-verbosity on a test server and investigate.
[18:50] <theuzez> hm
[18:50] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: yes it is the default value there . But from what I understood I have to change /var/www/  to /home/user/www at BOTH places ie inside apache2.conf and default  as said here --  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP   STEP 4
[18:51] <lalelilolu> q
[18:52] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: yes but that says nothing about editing apache2.conf            , btw what version of ubuntu are you using?
[18:52] <setxi> Hi some one can now how to fix Unpacking nvidia-opencl-dev:amd64 (5.0.35-7ubuntu1) ...dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-opencl-dev_5.0.35-7ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):?
[18:53] <hitsujiTMO> setxi: apt-get clean            then try and run the install
[18:53] <ki7rw> TJ-: ssh -vvv gave me a usage message
[18:54] <TJ-> ki7rw:  well it would! You have to add your actual options after the -vvv verbosity flags!
[18:55] <silenz> when im using web browsing apps liike chrome on windows, when i click on the url bar, the bar highlights so i can enter a new url
[18:55] <setxi> "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenCL.so", exist in  nvidia-libopencl1-331 331.38-0ubuntu3  :(
[18:55] <silenz> on ubuntu it seems like i  have to highlight the bar manually
[18:55] <Vivekananda> 12.04 hitsujiTMO
[18:55] <silenz> is there some way to fix that
[18:55] <ki7rw> hitsujiTMO: the server box that i'm using right now is attached to a gigabit port on the router while the mote box is wifi via wpa2 802.11n on 2GHz - link quality 70/70
[18:55] <sunil_> hi
[18:56] <setxi> Full error http://pastebin.com/RdSYtvqM
[18:58] <hitsujiTMO> setxi: You're using a conflicting PPA
[18:59] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: there is no 'directory directive' inside the sites-available/000-default.conf
[18:59] <Vivekananda> ubt there is one inside the apache2.conf
[18:59] <Vivekananda> want me to paste ?
[18:59] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: then add one in the default
[19:00] <i3000> Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.17) what to do?
[19:00] <Vivekananda> one sec lemme paste the one
[19:01] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: are you using a PPA for apache? the default is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950420/
[19:01] <xteejx> Hi guys, I have Ubuntu server (on a server of course), and I have a website and domain setup for that site. How do I get emails to send/receive from the site email address if the domain provider hasn't got any facility like this?
[19:03] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: yes I used ppa . Also here https://gist.github.com/vvikramjhu/9056791  I changed the lines 164 - 69. should I just copy those lines and paste them to the other file and also change 164 back to /var/www ?
[19:03] <setxi> hitsujiTMO how to fix this? I dont add another ppa
[19:04] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: then don't follow the guide on the ubuntu wiki. That's for a completely different version of apache with a completely different configuration approach
[19:04] <xteejx> anyone at all...
[19:04] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: I am not using the default ppa I used this one --  http://askubuntu.com/questions/109404/how-do-i-install-latest-php-in-supported-ubuntu-versions-like-5-4-x-in-ubuntu-1
[19:04] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: you'd have to follow a guide for that specific ppa, or configure apache from scratch yourself
[19:05] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: thats a completely different apache version
[19:06] <Vivekananda> owww shoot . I thought it would be newer so I used that ppa and then apt-get install apache2
[19:06] <hitsujiTMO> setxi: you'd have to either purge the PPA or use the opencl provided by that PPA
[19:07]  * ki7rw would prefer a 5 GHz connection on his dual band stuff be it doesn't happen with his dual band router
[19:07] <basketballllllll> Whay is a more stable vwrsjon of linux
[19:07] <basketballllllll> Version
[19:08] <silenz> more stable then ubuntu?
[19:08] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: the configuration options changed in apache 2.4. Because of this, even the default ubuntu apache in 13.10 has a completely different configuration methodology
[19:09] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: hmm so now I should follow a differentguide then ?
[19:09] <Vivekananda> perhaps this ?
[19:10] <Vivekananda> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19518907/virtual-host-on-ubuntu-13-10-and-apache-2-4-6
[19:10] <hitsujiTMO> basketballllllll: this is ubuntu support. If your are looking for ubuntu support, please ask a clear and precise question.
[19:12] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: I'm not sure too be honest. That PPA seems to have it's own configuration philosophy so you'd have to consult the apache2.4 config reference itself
[19:12] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/
[19:13] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: where do I look for that ppa's config ideas ? Also will it matter that I have php 5.5 from that ppa ?
[19:13] <Vivekananda> if it will then I might as well delete all and use an official ppa but one that will allow me a newer apache and php
[19:13] <Vivekananda> 12.04 has php 5.3 still!
[19:14] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: simply put, of you're using such a ppa, then you really need to understand whats going on in the config itself. for that you should read the apache2 docs itself. maybe the guys in #httpd can help too, but for this kind of thing you are usually on your own
[19:15] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: there's no official PPA for apache for ubuntu. if you want the latest support you'd have to install 13.10
[19:15] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: or wait for 14.04 to be released
[19:16] <demian> oh fun
[19:16] <demian> Ubuntu spontaneous reboot during usage of Calc.. data gone :(
[19:16] <Vivekananda> so the current option I have to install php 5.5 o apache 2.4 is to install that ppa and configure myself. ? Is there another ppa that could work better for me ?
[19:17] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: you shouldn't be using apache 2.5 ... thats an unstable dev version
[19:18] <streulma> is apache 2.2 already the best to use for now ?
[19:18] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: no apache 2.4  and PHP 5.5
[19:19] <streulma> I don't trust self managed ppa's by people, there must be a community behind that manage the PPA, for Apache or PHP, mysql >> like Dotdeb
[19:19] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: ahh sorry, misread your statement.        to be honest, the ppa you're using is the best there is for apache/php. It's just you'd have to get more intimate in your knowledge of apache if you want to be using the latest
[19:19] <qwebirc137961> hey can someone please walk me through making a live disk from terminal using dd
[19:20] <hitsujiTMO> basketballllll: you can't make a live disk using dd
[19:20] <hitsujiTMO> basketballllll: what exactly is it that you want to do?
[19:20] <basketballllll> how can i do it from the terminal writing it to disk keeps failing
[19:21] <hitsujiTMO> !details | basketballllll
[19:21] <basketballllll> i want to make a 13.10 live disk from terminal
[19:21] <hitsujiTMO> basketballllll: are you using a cd, or a dvd?
[19:21] <basketballllll> i have downloaded the iso
[19:21] <basketballllll> and it is a dvd
[19:21] <basketballllll> 4.7 gb
[19:21] <hitsujiTMO> basketballllll: sorry, are you using a dvd or usb?
[19:22] <basketballllll> dvd
[19:22] <gonyere> basketballllll - if =/home/-your-file-here.iso of=/dev/-location-ofyour-cd-drive-here
[19:22] <basketballllll> gtg
[19:22] <geirha> gonyere: no
[19:22] <kingfisher64> really enjoying my experience with ubuntu so far. One thing concerns me though. Every now and then I get a "low graphics mode" error message on boot up. I've googled up on it and lightdm is reported to have a bug which causes this. So far turning it on/off has resolved it - but it's concerning me.
[19:22] <tuxfalk_> Hi guys!
[19:22] <hitsujiTMO> basketballllll: then you need to se wodim: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning
[19:23] <gonyere> generally i prefer to use a gui tool but the above works for me when somethings broken on occasion
[19:23] <Medo> guys !! after boot with live 12.04 LTS usb i couldnt recover my encrypted home folder :\
[19:23] <kingfisher64> have others experience this? ^^^
[19:24] <gonyere> kingfisher64 - nope
[19:24] <gonyere> but I also haven't run 12.04 in a couple yrs
[19:24] <hitsujiTMO> kingfisher64: low graphics mode is typically gpu related. what graphics chipset do you have?
[19:25] <streulma> kingfisher64: insalled nvidia-331 from xorg-edgers ?
[19:25] <kingfisher64> it's this > http://askubuntu.com/questions/141606/how-to-fix-the-system-is-running-in-low-graphics-mode-error
[19:26] <streulma> kingfisher64: if it is from xorg-edgers, remove bumblebee
[19:26] <kingfisher64> i've altered drivers under "software & updates" to "using nvidia binary Xorg driver nvdia 319"
[19:26] <basketballllll> sorry no gtg
[19:26] <kingfisher64> streulma, hitsujiTMO ^^
[19:27] <kingfisher64> it's marked as tested
[19:27] <Xabster> do you know of a ppa with openjdk-8?
[19:27] <Xabster> i just can't find any
[19:27] <Medo> :\
[19:28] <streulma> is openjdk-8 out already ?
[19:28] <kingfisher64> the graphics card is 8600m gt hitsujiTMO
[19:28] <streulma> is someone235 already back ?
[19:28] <Xabster> streulma: early access
[19:28] <hitsujiTMO> Xabster: prob because oipenjdk 8 doesn't exist yet
[19:28] <Xabster> heh
[19:28] <Xabster> hitsujiTMO: no, that is not the reason
[19:29] <streulma> kingfisher64: you should revert to nvidia-304
[19:29] <hitsujiTMO> Xabster: really, because according to the openjdk website it doesn't exist.
[19:29] <Xabster> wait, that is the exact reason
[19:29] <Xabster> :|
[19:29] <streulma> I can help you out kingfisher64
[19:29] <Xabster> "These early access release downloads of the JRE and JDK are based on code available on OpenJDK at the time they were built and might not include the latest security patches."
[19:29] <Xabster> it's openjdk, released by oracle
[19:30] <Xabster> okay, now that i got your attention: oracle jdk 8 ppa?
[19:30] <hitsujiTMO> Xabster: thats not "openjdk"!!!!
[19:30] <kingfisher64> there's 2 nvidia-304, both the same except one reads 304-updates. Is this the best choice streulma ? & many thanks :)
[19:31] <hitsujiTMO> Xabster: try the webupd8 ppa https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/java
[19:31] <Xabster> thanks
[19:32] <hitsujiTMO> kingfisher64: what version f ubuntu are you on?
[19:32] <kingfisher64> 3.10 hitsujiTMO
[19:33] <kingfisher64> lol - 13.10
[19:33] <hitsujiTMO> kingfisher64: use, nvidia-304   (not -updates)
[19:34] <kingfisher64> reverting to that now hitsujiTMO, streulma
[19:34] <streulma> ok kingfisher64, you are in Ubuntu ?
[19:34] <asd_> so i have a problem when running apt-get update i get this errors  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950579/
[19:34] <asd_> how can i fix it?
[19:34] <kingfisher64> yep 13.10 streulma
[19:35] <hitsujiTMO> !ppa-purge | asd_ purge the ppa that no longer exists
[19:35] <kingfisher64> out of interest how do you know which version to use hitsujiTMO ?
[19:36] <streulma> ubuntu installed on SSD in seconds... thanks to synaptic and markings saving :)
[19:36] <rizton> Flips a coin: HEADS
[19:36] <rizton> 8-)
[19:37] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: I managed to get the html working
[19:37] <hitsujiTMO> kingfisher64: 304 is the supported legacy driver. 319 "should" work for the 8600 but, the 8600 is litterly the bottom of the list of cards that that driver supports so could just be a support issue itself
[19:37] <Vivekananda> but now I am trying to see why the php returns a blank page.Does that ppa give me instructions on it ?
[19:38] <kingfisher64> aah, I take is support is better for newer machines? later on this year i'm getting a new machine hitsujiTMO
[19:38] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: i would assume the the default config should at least run. you might want to read thru the error logs
[19:38] <kingfisher64> it's 6-7 years old but works really well so...
[19:39] <streulma> I should not use Apache 2.4 because I have not eaten cheese from it :)
[19:39] <hitsujiTMO> kingfisher64: yes, normally nvidia is second only to intel when it comes to driver support
[19:39] <Vivekananda> I did not get what you mean by 'default config'
[19:40] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: the ppa will come with a working "default config" (points to /var/www) etc, so you don't have to write one yourself.
[19:40] <Decstasy> quit
[19:41] <streulma> kingfisher64: do you have rebooted right now to apply the changes ?
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: logs are usually the best way to find out whats going wrong at least
[19:41] <Vivekananda> when I ran it after installing it just showed me the it works ! html page. Itdoes so now too with the new directly
[19:41] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: ensure you have enabled the php5 module aswell
[19:42] <kingfisher64> i've not rebooted yet but 304 has installed hitsujiTMO, streulma
[19:42] <streulma> kingfisher64 you have to reboot to apply, the 319 driver is now in use
[19:43] <kingfisher64> right, let's see then. Many thanks
[19:43] <dbristow> I got a copy of 12.04.4 LTS from ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/12.04.4/, and the copy of wubi.exe that was there did not pass the sha256sum in the SHA256SUMS checksum file.  Any reason why that would fail?
[19:43] <streulma> kingfisher64 I have the 319-updates working here... Apple Macbook Pro Medio 2009 - Nvidia 9600
[19:43] <dbristow> Everything else passes.
[19:46] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: I have and logs tell me issues with mysql . I formatted the OS partition. Does that mean earlier mysql dbases are now lost to me ?
[19:46] <Vivekananda> or is it stored in /home ? somewhere that I can import ?
[19:47] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: most likely yes. afaik the database was in /var
[19:47] <streulma> :) ^
[19:47] <Vivekananda> hmmm okay :(
[19:48] <hitsujiTMO> dbristow: don't use wubi,  whether the checksum works out or not
[19:49] <hitsujiTMO> dbristow: wubi sucks, is a good way to break your machine and doesn't work on the latest versions of Window. either use a VM or dualboot
[19:50] <someone235> Hey, I've installed Xubuntu on ASUS PC with EFI, and now I can't boot from the OS. Someone knows how can I boot with EFI?
[19:51] <beandog> what?  wubi is awesome
[19:51]  * beandog hugs wubi
[19:51] <beandog> Dunno about it working with newer EFI though
[19:51] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: in what way can't you "boot from the OS" ???
[19:52] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, anytime I boot, I get to the blue EFI screen.
[19:53] <someone235> I can still boot from USB or DVD, but not from the hard disk
[19:53] <hitsujiTMO> what blue EFI screen? you mean the windows boot loader?
[19:53] <streulma> is kingfisher64 back ?
[19:53] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, yes
[19:53] <kingfisher64> thanks hitsujiTMO, streulma 304 is running fine. Only time will tell if it's consistent.
[19:54] <streulma> ok no errors now anymore kingfisher64 ?
[19:54] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: go into the bios and disable fast boot. then use the uefi boot menu in your bios to boot the ubuntu cd/install
[19:54] <kingfisher64> not at present but it was intermittent with 319 version so we'll soon see streulma
[19:54] <streulma> :)
[19:55] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, I've already installed Xubuntu. Why should I re-install it?
[19:56] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: let me rephrase that: make sure fast boot is disabled then  use the uefi boot menu in your bios to boot the installed copy of the xubuntu
[19:57] <someone235> I'm pretty sure I did it, but let me check again
[19:57] <streulma> someone235: Legacy boot should be enabled in BIOS
[19:57] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, what about "CSM" should it be enabled?
[19:58] <zim> Hi all. Quick yes no Q. About to reinstall the desktop version as I am getting feed with 13.10 and I see that many people are saying that the 14.04 is already loads more stable is this the case?
[19:58] <hitsujiTMO> streulma: not if he wants to use uefi (i.e. if another OS is already installed with UEFI)
[19:58] <someone235> streulma, I don't have option to Legacy boot
[19:59] <someone235> OK, I check it
[19:59] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: NO. do not enable that. If you have ubuntu already installed or booting a disk >2tb then you'll run into trouble
[19:59] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: s/ubuntu/another OS
[19:59] <someone235> OK
[19:59] <someone235> let me check
[19:59] <someone235> brb
[20:00] <hitsujiTMO> !trusty | zim you should NOT use an unstable testing environment as your main OS!
[20:00] <CAM``> hi guys... can i ask a question here related to ssh?
[20:01] <jarope> try it CAM``
[20:01] <CAM``> i have a script that will ssh into my routers (over 40 sites).. but sometimes some of my sites go down or the ip changes... the script tries to ssh to the wrong ip... and then there is a 2 minute delay before it stops the attempt..and moves to the next site...... is there a way to reduce that timeout to like 30 seconds?
[20:02] <jarope> ssh -o ConnectTimeout=10  <hostName>
[20:02] <jarope> CAM``,
[20:02] <zim> hitsujiTMO, ty for standard reply BUT? life and standard alfa/beta are not always the same 13.10 has never worked great IMHO
[20:02] <CAM``> awesome
[20:02] <CAM``> im going to try that out
[20:02] <CAM``> thank you
[20:02] <jarope> CAM``, I am noob I just googled it
[20:03] <jarope> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4936807/how-to-setup-ssh-timeout-in-shell-script
[20:03] <someone235> hitsujiTMO: didn't work
[20:03] <hitsujiTMO> zim: 14.04 is currently an unstable development environment. its intended for testing ONLY.
[20:04] <hitsujiTMO> zim: any trusty related questions should be pointed to #ubuntu+1 (as inferred by the "standard reply") as this channel is only for the current releases
[20:05] <zim> hitsujiTMO, I get that was just wondering what people experience has been so far as a few blogs are saying that it better already. And 13.10 (on my laptop) has always given me a hard time
[20:05] <hitsujiTMO> zim: #ubuntu+1 to ask such questions then
[20:05] <someone235> hitsujiTMO: I disabled Fastboot, and I still get the blue screen
[20:06] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: windows is current default in your uefi boot. you need to select ubuntu from your efi boot manager
[20:06] <someone235> hitsujiTMO: I don't have windows
[20:07] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: then whats this blue screen??? can you take a pic please
[20:07] <someone235> hitsujiTMO: I can't sorry
[20:07] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: what exactly is this screen? whats on it?
[20:08] <dbristow> hitsujiTMO: Well, they keep delivering new versions of wubi.  I'm not going to use the thing but I sometimes burn ISOs and such for NYLUG (New York Linux Users's Group)
[20:08] <zim> hitsujiTMO, ok then my main bugbear at the moment is dbus-deamon runs one core at 100% from boot is there a quick fix?
[20:08] <dbristow> If it's that broken they should stop distributing it.
[20:08] <someone235> hitsujiTMO: It is where I can enable\disable fastboot, csm, etc
[20:09] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: ok so you're in the uefi then. that means xubuntu wasn't installed. please boot the xubuntu live cd and we can have a look at what went wrong
[20:09] <someone235> OK sec
[20:11] <chris__123> hi, i try to encrypt a disk from live cd 12.10 but i can't enter a password. it immediately returns Error reading passphrase.
[20:11] <hitsujiTMO> dbristow: wubi is now deprecated. Not sure why they still ship it (prob related to 12.04 LTS stuff) but yeah, it's something that should be avoided at all costs
[20:12] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, what to check now?
[20:13] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: start with: sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[20:13] <rudolph> Does anyone know how to make an OpenVPN client automatically make a VPN connection at boot using Lubuntu?
[20:13] <CAM``> thank you jarope... it worked
[20:13] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950806/
[20:14] <rudolph> Here's a thread with a screenshot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206115
[20:17] <bdonnahue2> hello im having an issue with bridging interfaces. is anyone familiar with this?
[20:17] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gdisk && sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit && sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdb | pastebinit
[20:19] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950830/, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950831/
[20:20] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: you never created an efi system partition
[20:20] <hitsujiTMO> !uefi | someone235
[20:20] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, Should I reinstall Xubuntu?
[20:21] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: in such a case, since you're only using 1 OS, then you can safely install under CSM mode to avoid the UEFI necessities, or you'd have do it all again, but add in an efi system partition
[20:22] <CountryfiedLinux> Is Ubuntu Touch GNU?
[20:22] <hitsujiTMO> !touch | CountryfiedLinux
[20:22] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, I tried CSM, but it doesn't work
[20:22] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: yes, you'll need to reinstall. the efi system partition is instead of the old mbr bootstrap.
[20:23] <someone235> OK
[20:23] <CountryfiedLinux> Yeah, good luck getting a response there hitsujiTMO
[20:24] <hitsujiTMO> CountryfiedLinux: ???
[20:25] <CountryfiedLinux> I was joking hitsujiTMO
[20:25] <hitsujiTMO> ahh, ok
[20:25] <someone235> hitsujiTMO, EFI is recommended in the SSD?
[20:25] <someone235> I have 24GB SSD and 120GB HDD
[20:25] <Evilmax> hi all
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: yeah. put it on the ssh. just create a 100mb partition for it
[20:26] <hitsujiTMO> someone235: s/ssh/ssd
[20:26] <Evilmax> if i have a php page that has to execute a shell script. by passing variables to it: what permission i have to use for more security? Script are owned by www data
[20:27] <Evilmax> it works anyway if i set only execute permission?
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> evilbug: have the script owned by root
[20:27] <hitsujiTMO> Evilmax: ^
[20:27] <Evilmax> "pass variables to a script" what need? read, write or execute?
[20:27] <Evilmax> ah
[20:28] <Evilmax> and wwwdata che read them?
[20:28] <Evilmax> owned by root seems that not work
[20:28] <dukerutledge> I'm curious if anyone has been having synaptics touch pad issues lately. Mine has been working fine and has suddenly gone haywire. It works for a few minutes and then will freeze and possibly come back or stay that.
[20:28] <Evilmax> my rpoblem is: let pass variables but do not let an user from wwwdata, from web, to read or modifi them
[20:29] <Evilmax> modify*
[20:30] <dukerutledge> I've looked up a few solutions and nothing seems to work reliably.
[20:30] <hitsujiTMO> evilbug: the script needs just: read and execute permission for whatever user running it. having it as the www-data user can allow an attacker change the permissions for the script, and then modify the script if they try to gain access to it using an exploit
[20:32] <CountryfiedLinux> dukerutledge, *bump
[20:33] <Evilmax> ok hitsujiTMO:)
[20:33] <Evilmax> and when wwwdata pass variables to it...it is not a form of "writing"?
[20:34] <Evilmax> anyway in the script there are some password....read them it would be dangerous
[20:35] <chrillster> I wonder, i have a vps, and i would like to stream media from it. Would ftp/http or https be my best option? Or even samba share? (and would i need to run something to transcode?) ffmpeg or something like that.
[20:37] <Gallomimia> simple filesharing should work for you chrillster . what is the destination of  the streaming?
[20:38] <chrillster> Sorry my english is a bit flawed. My destination is my home pc. Filesharing, something like ftp?`( i have heard that ftp traffic is shapped and not optimal for big files, this might be false though)
[20:38] <chrillster> Home Win8-pc even
[20:39] <Gallomimia> it passes over the internet?
[20:39] <chrillster> Yes.
[20:39] <Gallomimia> cause here i thought it would be just in your home network
[20:39] <chrillster> It will.
[20:39] <chrillster> Sorry, its over the internet, yes.
[20:39] <Gallomimia> i suggest http
[20:40] <chrillster> Allright. - Is any particular port preffered? (i find it a bit choppy to be honest) But the vps has 450mbit up, and i have 24 down. But that might not be the issue
[20:41] <Gallomimia> i think VLC and mplayer both have options to let you enter a URL to view
[20:41] <Gallomimia> 80 is usually preferred
[20:41] <Gallomimia> but it shouldn't matter at all no
[20:41] <Gallomimia> you might find that the files you're viewing are going to be too large to deal with in this manner...
[20:41] <chrillster> Allright.
[20:42] <Gallomimia> it's an odd problem i must admit
[20:42] <chrillster> I know i cant compare this. But how come that for instance netflix works in superhd...?
[20:42] <chrillster> Stupid question perhaps
[20:42] <Gallomimia> usually hosted data is more expensive than keeping the data on your home pc
[20:42] <Gallomimia> it's probably compressed better
[20:43] <chrillster> Allright. I will try to see if i have any other options to use as a "backend" on the server.
[20:43] <chrillster> But your answer is what i feared, too big files to deal with.
[20:43] <chrillster> Thanks for the help! :)
[20:44] <Gallomimia> who knows. maybe it's not decoding them in a timely manner on your pc. i'm at quite a loss as to why you're not just copying the file to your local HD and viewing it that way
[20:45] <chrillster> Gallomimia, im experimenting.
[20:45] <chrillster> Its just something i want to get to work :)
[20:45] <Gallomimia> it's interesting. i'd like to try it for perhaps mobile applications i suppose
[20:46] <Gallomimia> i'm going to suggest you get knowledgable in analysing the network traffic for speed, throughput, latency jitter and the rest
[20:46] <Gallomimia> i can't recall off the top of my head but i think there's a FOSS solution for this
[20:47] <chrillster> Allright.
[20:47] <chrillster> Thanks for that tip! :)
[20:47] <Gallomimia> might be a plugin for apache?
[20:48] <Gallomimia> what do they call those? modules i think
[20:48] <chrillster> ampache
[20:48] <chrillster> I think so?
[20:48] <Vivekananda> I m back
[20:48] <Gallomimia> oh no.
[20:48] <Vivekananda> so apparently installing java also ran into issues :(
[20:50] <Vivekananda> I am trying to run java install using here  http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html  . I get -- sha256sum mismatch jdk-7u51-linux-i586.tar.gz . Oracle JDK 7 is NOT installed.
[20:51] <Vivekananda> also my homescreen still shows the /home/user/ instead of /home/user/Desktop
[20:51] <Gallomimia> Vivekananda: usually if you see a checksum mismatch it's cause someone has given you the wrong file! i don't recognize the URL you're using, and i would be highly suspicious of its security
[20:52] <Vivekananda> Gallomimia: I used the link and the link is what is recommended in ubuntu java install
[20:52] <Vivekananda> so are you saying ubuntu is suspicious :)
[20:52] <Gallomimia> that's a wiki right? so someone could have changed it without authority
[20:52] <oscalation> if im using ubuntu server 12.04 and im attempting to install https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.1/5.1.58-1ubuntu3  but this package appears to have been removed, what options do i have
[20:54] <Gallomimia> Vivekananda: the domain name webupd8.org is registered to a company in romania. trusted or untrusted?
[20:54] <mistawright> I need some help. How would i go about opening up port 514 so that logs can be sent to it by my other servers?
[20:55] <Salve> How can I setup a file in a directory to be run when I enter the dir?
[20:55] <Gallomimia> mistawright: interesting port selection. too bad you told everyone? the first question to ask yourself is what protocol do you wish to use to send that data?
[20:56] <TJ-> Gallomimia: please, before making such claims, actually *check* the resource the user is working from!
[20:56] <mistawright> Gallomimia, udp and im not on the server ;)
[20:56] <TJ-> Vivekananda: Don't worry, the reason for the error is that the script from the PPA contains the hard-coded checksum of the file that Oracle provide, and it looks as if Oracle have updated the file but not the version number, so there is a checksum mismatch
[20:59] <Vivekananda> Gallomimia: hmm so I am trying this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[20:59] <TJ-> Vivekananda: tell us what this reports: "sha254sum  jdk-7u51-linux-i586.tar.gz"
[20:59] <TJ-> Vivekananda: oops, typo! tell us what this reports: "sha256sum  jdk-7u51-linux-i586.tar.gz"
[21:01] <Vivekananda> says no suchfile ordirectory
[21:01] <Vivekananda> so how do I install java now ?
[21:02] <TJ-> Vivekananda: OK, you need to be in the directory where the script downloaded the file to... check for it in /tmp/ "ls -al /tmp/jdk*"
[21:02] <Vivekananda> Also it says downloaded ( received everything) nothing more to download so where does this download go to ? also why cant I see it
[21:02] <Vivekananda> ok
[21:02] <UNIm95> ho 2 all
[21:02] <UNIm95> hi*
[21:03] <jatt> {Uptime} [22:03:08 up 2:33, 3 users] {Load average} [0.17, 0.17, 0.21]
[21:03] <TJ-> Vivekananda: I've downloaded the file from Oracle; its checksum matches what is in the script, so I'm going to guess your download was corrupted
[21:03] <Gallomimia> mistawright: so i'm reading that this port is the official port for syslog right? there's a bit of info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syslog also i am searching the ubuntu site for a guide on that. i'd like to know more myself
[21:03] <Akiva-Mobile> will this run ubuntu: http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/sys/4316317091.html
[21:03] <Akiva-Mobile> ?
[21:04] <Vivekananda> TJ-: I think so too
[21:04] <Vivekananda> but in the tmp/ I dont see any jdk* files
[21:04] <UNIm95> I have question: why xfce taskmanager don't change priority of programm?
[21:04] <Vivekananda> what is wrong with my machine :(
[21:04] <Gallomimia> !touch | Akiva-Mobile
[21:04] <Vivekananda> also I am having another issue
[21:04] <xubuntu197> Waar vind ik het nederlandse ubuntu channel?
[21:04] <TJ-> Vivekananda: Have you run memtest86+ at boot-time? Possible memory module is bad
[21:04] <Gallomimia> !nl
[21:04] <Vivekananda> also my homescreen still shows the /home/user/ instead of /home/user/Deskto
[21:05] <Akiva-Mobile> Gallomimia: so you don't know? :)
[21:05] <Vivekananda> TJ-: eerything was working fine before I stupidly tried compiz and then all this
[21:05] <Vivekananda> had to reinstall and do all sorts of stuff
[21:05] <Vivekananda> I want to try the download afresh
[21:06] <Gallomimia> Akiva-Mobile: my point is that ubuntu-touch is a different channel, and a bit of a different software. that link should help you find out tho
[21:06] <TJ-> Vivekananda: let me figure out where it is stored
[21:06] <Vivekananda> TJ-: I can move to that in a bit
[21:06] <Vivekananda> but first I need to figure this out also my homescreen still shows the /home/user/ instead of /home/user/Deskto
[21:06] <Gallomimia> Akiva-Mobile: that device is not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:06] <Akiva-Mobile> Gallomimia: thanks
[21:07] <TJ-> Vivekananda: No idea about that, does it happen for a new fresh user too?
[21:08] <Gallomimia> Akiva-Mobile: some thinkpads are, but all listed under "work in progress"
[21:08] <Vivekananda> no
[21:09] <Vivekananda> how to do delte the config files or reset them ?
[21:09] <Vivekananda> for home/ and Desktop/
[21:10] <TJ-> Vivekananda: For the Java downloader, the files are saved in "/var/cache/oracle-jdk7-installer/"
[21:13] <TJ-> Vivekananda: There are 2 directories that can store the user config: "$HOME/.config/" and  "$HOME/.gconf"
[21:13] <Vivekananda> okay
[21:13] <Vivekananda> lemme remove those and try a relogin
[21:13] <TJ-> Vivekananda: On mine I see : "/home/tj/.config/user-dirs.dirs:8:XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop"
[21:13] <Vivekananda> also let me delete the
[21:13] <TJ-> Vivekananda: NO!!!!!11
[21:13] <Vivekananda> var cadhe
[21:13] <TJ-> Vivekananda: do NOT delete your user config dirs
[21:14] <Vivekananda> not delete just remove to different location
[21:14] <TJ-> Vivekananda: That kind of action is what will mess up your system!
[21:14] <Vivekananda> or empty its contents or something
[21:14] <TJ-> Vivekananda: Do NOT!
[21:14] <Vivekananda> ok
[21:14] <Vivekananda> waiting
[21:14] <Vivekananda> do I delete the var/cache thing ?
[21:14] <TJ-> You'll destroy all manner of configurations if you interfere blindly
[21:14] <streulma> I have a Macbook... I should let place an extra drive enclosure in place of my dvd bay, in Apple Store. What if they saw there is Ubuntu on it? :D
[21:14] <glitsj16> hi people
[21:15] <TJ-> Vivekananda: No... but you can see what files are there and manually generate the checksum to compare with what is expected
[21:15] <TJ-> Vivekananda: Let's do the checksum now - it's quick and easy
[21:15] <Vivekananda> sure
[21:15] <Vivekananda> so what do I do now
[21:15] <Vivekananda> also isnt that file corrupt ?
[21:15] <Vivekananda> if it is isnt a fresh download required ?
[21:15] <TJ-> Vivekananda: "sha256sum /var/cache/oracle-jdk7-installer/*.tar.gz"
[21:16] <TJ-> Vivekananda: We don't *know* yet, we just suspect it. We should obtain proof. That's why we checksum it and check
[21:16] <Vivekananda> a77d1b2a9f65f339ebe810d0bed35d03c8c9e6a8ae36dfb625577e589d3dbd41
[21:16] <TJ-> Vivekananda: OK, and we expected "b3a2965e44446e476f4e27f7ea13a503a91403ac80bcd71693ad2f84baff42cf" so it is corrupt. *now* you can delete it :)
[21:16] <Vivekananda> great !
[21:17] <TJ-> Vivekananda: "sudo rm /var/cache/oracle-jdk7-installer/*.tar.gz"
[21:17] <TJ-> Vivekananda: OK, back to your desktop issue. Run this command "grep -rn 'DESKTOP_DIR' ~/.gconf/* ~/.config/*"
[21:18] <Vivekananda> lemme try the run again of
[21:18] <Vivekananda> installer of java
[21:20] <TJ-> Vivekananda: OK, whilst you do that, I'm going to return to repairing a UPS here, so I may not be watching the screen constantly
[21:21] <Vivekananda> install: cannot stat `javaws-wrapper.sh': No such file or directory
[21:21] <Vivekananda> dpkg: error processing oracle-java7-installer (--configure):
[21:21] <Vivekananda> TJ-: sorry
[21:22] <coolaidman> having a really weird issue. selecting text in gedit (just gedit as far as I can tell, libra, terminal, browsers, desktop work fine) it starts a selection and randomly "clears" the selection as im dragging. it does this very flash like so that I am never able to select text (for instance to copy/paste it)
[21:22] <coolaidman> ive considered that it may be a keystick or something, but I would think the other apps would exhibit similar behavior if that were the case
[21:22] <coolaidman> what could be causing gedit to behave like this? ive tried shutting it down and restarting to no avail
[21:24] <coolaidman> its basically resetting my selection a milisecond after starting it
[21:24] <coolaidman> i would like to point out this came out of the blue
[21:25] <Vivekananda> I got an error saying : cannot stat `javaws-wrapper.sh': No such file or directory
[21:28] <setxi> Hi when i wrote sudo apt-get install nvidia-cuda-toolkit this command install   nvidia-cuda-doc nvidia-cuda-gdb nvidia-cuda-toolkit nvidia-opencl-dev how to skip install this nvidia-opencl-dev ??
[21:29] <bekks> setxi: It is a dependency, you cannot skip it.
[21:30] <coolaidman> if i double click and highlight a word, the word highlights, and then instantiously (probably 10-15 millis) the selection is cleared
[21:30] <coolaidman> if i drag the mouse, the selection keeps clearing and unclearing
[21:30] <coolaidman> it just looks like a bunch of flashes. the cut/paste icons above also flash very quickly indicating the selection is going nuts
[21:31] <coolaidman> i would say this would be a keystick or mouse stick, but it works on EVERY other application. but gedit
[21:35] <Kekai> I run Ubuntu 13.10 on a netbook. Lenovo Ideapad S10 with 200GB HD space and 512mb of ram
[21:35] <Kekai> I am having freezing errors in a boat load of apps
[21:36] <Kekai> The screen turns monochrome and then just quits
[21:36] <Kekai> Mostly in Skype, Nightingale, and Mozilla firefox
[21:36] <Kekai> I am at the end of my rope
[21:37] <Vivekananda> that is very low ram
[21:37] <Kekai> Its a machine built in 2009
[21:37] <Vivekananda> Kekai: did you check the specs for 13.10 ?
[21:37] <Vivekananda> requisite ram and stuff ?
[21:37] <Kekai> yes
[21:38] <Kekai> it said only 300mb of ram
[21:38] <OerHeks> hmmz atom 270 with Intel GMA 950
[21:38] <Kekai> 70 mhz
[21:38] <Kekai> i have 90
[21:38] <OerHeks> i would run xubuntu on that machine
[21:38] <Kekai> 5GB od HDD space
[21:38] <Kekai> tried an I dont like the desin
[21:39] <Kekai> Anyway to run Lubuntu/xubuntu and have the OS desgin?
[21:39] <Vivekananda> Kekai: they will be plain but do everything you want
[21:39] <Vivekananda> and no they wont have all the bells and whistles of unity, gnome etc
[21:40] <Vivekananda> as far as I know
[21:40] <Vivekananda> Kekai: also program like firefox and skype easily eat up ram
[21:41] <Vivekananda> I was having troubles ( a little) in 2 Gigs of ram
[21:41] <Vivekananda> but xubuntu ran fine
[21:41] <Kekai> lol
[21:42] <Kekai> Someone just suggegested using the netbook as a door stop and upgrading
[21:42] <Kekai> but its too hard when I have to pay for everything I am drained constantly
[21:42] <jhutchins> Kekai: It could be a hardware problem as well.  Probably a good idea to open the cover plates and clean out any dust.
[21:42] <Kekai> I did
[21:42] <bonhoeffer> my os drive went bad (running ubuntu) and now i'm struggling to get all my data back -- i need to mount all my drives with a usb key-run os -- what is a good distro?
[21:42] <Kekai> I have a can of air duster here
[21:43] <Kekai> Lenovo has doors for everything
[21:43] <jhutchins> Kekai: Also, re-seat the RAM.  Running lm_sensors doesn't cause much load.
[21:44] <Kekai> I cant reseat the ram
[21:44] <Kekai> Its soldier into the motherbord
[21:44] <jhutchins> Kekai: Then nothing to worry about.
[21:44] <jhutchins> Kekai: How much swap did you give it?
[21:45] <Kekai> only ting I can think o is ripping the 2 2GB of ram out of the laptop
[21:45] <Kekai> the cards can fit
[21:45] <Kekai> but I tried once and got a black screen
[21:46] <w1d0wm8k4r> Hello All!
[21:46] <w1d0wm8k4r> I have a prob dumb Q!
[21:47] <k1l_> w1d0wm8k4r: just ask if its related to ubuntu
[21:48] <setxi> nvidia-cuda-tollkit this is same package what cuda from nvidia repo?
[21:48] <w1d0wm8k4r> At startup ever since I allowed an auto update I get the following system program problem detected with dialog boxes for report issue or ignore how can I find the source of the prob and get this annoying problem message to dissapear?
[21:50] <maraca> hi, I am trying to install the latest nginx 1.4.5 on ubuntu 12.04, this is  the apt-repo where we get the package list http://ppa.launchpad.net/nginx/stable/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages  and this is the error i am getting https://gist.github.com/maraca/a25539957baf434bf382 , any idea why I'm getting this error?
[21:50] <w1d0wm8k4r> where is the log at least and then I'm sure I cn google my way out of it lol
[21:51] <hitsujiTMO> setxi: there is no nvidia repo.    do you mean is that the cuda binary that nvidia provides? then yes it is
[21:51] <w1d0wm8k4r> experimental 310 drivers maybe?
[21:51] <evan__> Hello! Can anyone help me with choosing what distribution to install on my old computer?
[21:51] <k1l_> evan__: what are the specs?
[21:51] <bendystraw> Unity never seems to work for me
[21:52] <evan__> It's a MacBook 2,1 with 1 GB ram, 80 GB HD space and a 2.0 GHz processor
[21:52] <evan__> And I have OSX Snow Leopard
[21:52] <bonhoeffer> why -- if i boot off cd -- i get a command prompt
[21:52] <evan__> Can I do Ubuntu 13.10 or should I do Lubuntu?
[21:52] <bonhoeffer> i land at initramfs
[21:52] <wrapash> evan_: I think that you'll not have any problem with ubuntu
[21:52] <bendystraw> I suggest Ubuntu 13.10
[21:52] <k1l_> w1d0wm8k4r: if you click on more information on that error message do you get any ?
[21:52] <setxi> hitsujiTMO do you have 10 minuts to help?
[21:52] <hitsujiTMO> w1d0wm8k4r: when you get that message, you can view the package causing the issue before sending it
[21:52] <bonhoeffer> BusyBox v.1.20.2 built in shell
[21:52] <evan__> Cool thanks
[21:53] <w1d0wm8k4r> that option wasn' t offered
[21:53] <evan__> I have it downloaded and I'm trying to do the MD5 checksum but when I type in the command in Terminal nothing happens
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> setxi: I'm not familiar with cuda if thats what you're asking
[21:53] <maraca> ah this .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nginx/+bug/1281282
[21:53] <evan__> is there any other way to do it
[21:53] <bendystraw> I need some help with Unity: whenever I try to run it, the whole HUD disappears and I can only see my cursor and my background
[21:53] <bonhoeffer> i've tried three distros and nothing boots to a gui
[21:53] <garymc> m
[21:54] <k1l_> bonhoeffer: what hardware specs?
[21:54] <Arceye> I would suggest xubuntu my hardware is AMD athlon 64 3700+ ( 2.2Ghz ) 2 GB ram and it can't handle ubuntu
[21:54] <bonhoeffer> intel 64 bit
[21:54] <bonhoeffer> i can give more info k1l if you need it -- but i don't know off the top of my head
[21:54] <k1l_> !nomodeset | bonhoeffer try that
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> evan__: give it time. it can take a few minutes to md4sum a full cd
[21:54] <wrapash> Arceye: but I tried with others' computers older than evan_'s and I had no problem
[21:55] <OerHeks> maraca, your error says "depends >="  & "depends <", so the build is not valid, contact the ppa owner
[21:55] <evan__> oh alright thanks
[21:55] <Arceye> wrapash, have at it then :)
[21:55] <bonhoeffer> k1l_: i ran linux on this device for 4 years -- but i did add a graphics card recently
[21:55] <maraca> OerHeks I just found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nginx/+bug/1281282 . Thanks for taking a look. much appreciated
[21:55] <hitsujiTMO> evan__: with such low ram i'd go with lubuntu. otherwise you'll be severly limiting yourself with the number of apps you can simultaneously run
[21:56] <OerHeks> maraca great! please confirm this bug, it will speed up
[21:56] <maraca> will do!
[21:56] <OerHeks> * a fix
[21:56] <Vivekananda> hmm
[21:56] <wrapash> Arceye: It lags even less than Xubuntu
[21:56] <Vivekananda> so still stuck
[21:56] <evan__> hitsujiTMO: ya i think i'll do lubuntu just 2 be on the safe side
[21:56] <evan__> thanks
[21:57] <Vivekananda> hoping to install java 7 and running into issues
[21:57] <vbgunz> I have an issue burning me up to no end here. I fully encrypted an installation a long time ago and now I need to mount it's boot partition in another install BUT the boot partition itself is somehow encrypted (which I thought impossible) and I don't have a password for it. how do I unlock it?
[21:57] <bendystraw>  I need some help with Unity: whenever I try to run it, the whole HUD disappears and I can only see my cursor and my background
[21:57] <bonhoeffer> k1l_:  will try nomodeset
[21:57] <wrapash> Lubuntu is so ugly
[21:57] <vbgunz> what's the password more like it?
[21:57] <bendystraw> Lxde is very ugly
[21:57] <bendystraw> So I need Unity for it
[21:57] <bendystraw> But the issue is
[21:57] <bendystraw>  I need some help with Unity: whenever I try to run it, the whole HUD disappears and I can only see my cursor and my background
[21:57] <k1l_> bendystraw: make sure the video drivers is up and running
[21:58] <bendystraw> Good idea
[21:58] <bendystraw> I'll check
[21:59] <Arceye> wrapash, xubuntu was the only thing I could get running on my hardware, apparently it was hardware ( ati 3650HD ) causing the problems. It's all good now though with the same gfx card
[22:00] <Arceye> I do get slowdowns and network data transfer isn't as fast, ut it's acceptable
[22:00] <Arceye> *is
[22:01] <wrapash> Arceye: Have you tried other distributions?
[22:01] <Arceye> it's a big list :)
[22:01] <wrapash> Same problems everywhere?
[22:02] <Arceye> wrapash, most of my problems were dual monitors not working as they should
[22:02] <Arceye> random slow downs, where the pc would slow to a crawl for no apparent reason
[22:03] <wrapash> Arceye: so maybe that you have hardware problems?
[22:03] <Arceye> But, I have had a lot of help in here and I have done a lot of other things ( bios settings ) and now xubuntu works acceptably
[22:03] <bonhoeffer> nomodeset -- still booted me to busybox
[22:04] <bonhoeffer> really caught in a loop here
[22:04] <xebi> Anyone have any clues as to this http://pastie.org/8743405?
[22:05] <xebi> I mean, 77000 is a lot of files open.
[22:05] <Arceye> wrapash, ati gfx was appearing to be the source of all problems , however I assume all versions ubuntu should be able to have the exact same drivers so why some only xubuntu works I have no idea
[22:06] <wrapash> Maybe because it needs no graphic acceleration
[22:07] <Arceye> wrapash, but I used the xfce ( or whateve xubunu uses ) while runing ubuntu and lubuntu but none of them worked, I honestly have no idea
[22:09] <wanderingi> any good lightweight web based download managers?
[22:10] <bonhoeffer> i might have a bad superblock from my reading, but i should still be able to boot to a live usb right?
[22:12] <bonhoeffer> it seems like nomodeset or some minimal boot would word
[22:13] <bonhoeffer> i'm running the check disk for defects option on boot, but that reboots the machine
[22:14] <bonhoeffer> with no results
[22:15] <bonhoeffer> anyone with an idea why i can't even boot to a livecd -- that has nothing to do with the hard drive, correct?
[22:15] <maveas> bonhoeffer: You might need to enable booting from the CD and set the CD drive as first boot device in your BIOS.
[22:16] <bonhoeffer> yeah -- i do that
[22:16] <maveas> bonhoeffer: Or the livecd isn't working properly?
[22:16] <bonhoeffer> i've tried two live cd's and two operating systems
[22:16] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: do you have fast boot enabled?
[22:16] <bonhoeffer> or distros
[22:16] <bonhoeffer> not sure -- but i don't have any problem selecting the right disk in the bios
[22:16] <setxi> I have bad errors on my sdcard . This sdcard working on windows but on linux not working this is possible to fix this errors?
[22:17] <bonhoeffer> i tried deft and 13.10 ubuntu -- both fail to boot
[22:17] <bonhoeffer> from the live usb drive
[22:17] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: quick boot/fast boot disables some hardware during the boot process preventing them from being booted from
[22:17] <bonhoeffer> got it -- i'll look in bios
[22:17] <Guest57425> i forgot
[22:17] <boldii> hi
[22:17] <k1l_> bonhoeffer: did you actually try nomodeset now?
[22:17] <Guest57425> but how do i make netflix work on my ubuntu
[22:17] <bonhoeffer> of course
[22:18] <bonhoeffer> with the same result though
[22:18] <hitsujiTMO> Guest57425: pipelight is prob your best bet
[22:18] <k1l_> does this hardware work with any other OS?
[22:18] <boldii> I have a problem with my wifi adapters. both the internal one and the one I connect with usb do show up greyed out in the network manager app. does anybody have an idea what I could do?
[22:18] <bonhoeffer> k1l_: yes
[22:18] <bonhoeffer> windows is just fine
[22:18] <bonhoeffer> and ubuntu was fine for 4 years
[22:18] <bonhoeffer> (or 3)
[22:19] <k1l_> bonhoeffer: did you check the md5sum from the iso or the cd?
[22:19] <bonhoeffer> no -- but it boots fine on other hardware
[22:19] <Guest57425> its not in the ubuntu software center
[22:19] <bonhoeffer> maybe i'll try a third distro - anything lightweight to recommend
[22:20] <k1l_> bonhoeffer: so get the specs from that hardware
[22:20] <Kekai> Xubuntu
[22:20] <Kekai> Lubuntu
[22:20] <Guest57425> fucking hate india
[22:20] <bonhoeffer> k1l_: i would suspect the distro, but got the same problem with another distro
[22:20] <Guest57425> damm wrong room
[22:20] <bonhoeffer> i'm going to try a new usb key
[22:20] <bonhoeffer> and i'll get h/w specs
[22:21] <Guest57425> whats a room in here for offtopics ?
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | Guest57425
[22:22] <jhutchins> bonhoeffer: It could be there's something wrong with your hardware.
[22:22] <hitsujiTMO> Guest57425: pipelight is a midified version of wine: https://launchpad.net/pipelight
[22:23] <bonhoeffer> jhutchins: i can't rule anything out
[22:23] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: what exactly is going wrong with it?
[22:23] <bonhoeffer> hitsujiTMO: i can't boot to a live cd from two different distros -- get something like busybox
[22:24] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: normally when you get dropped to busybox there's an error. can you tell us what it is?
[22:24] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: is this by anychance with 13.01 only?
[22:24] <bonhoeffer> hitsujiTMO: i can try to boot again -- but i'm loading up another usb key
[22:24] <hitsujiTMO> 13.10*
[22:26] <bonhoeffer> hitsujiTMO: well, i tried deft as well ( a forensics distro)
[22:27] <bonhoeffer> is there a lightweight distro i should try
[22:28] <bonhoeffer> Lubuntu
[22:28] <jhutchins> bonhoeffer: You need to watch your POST, and you need to boot in verbose mode (remove "quiet" from the boot command).
[22:28] <Kekai> bonhoeffer: I would try Xubuntu, or Lubuntu
[22:28] <bonhoeffer> Kekai: trying lbuntu
[22:29] <bonhoeffer> jhutchins: i will watch my post -- and will be verbose
[22:29] <jhutchins> bonhoeffer: "Can't boot" is too vague, as is "busybox".
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: there's a bug with 13.10 where the ohci_pci usb driver was accidentally left out of initramfs so anything connected to a usb controller that requires that driver fails to load at initramfs. In such a case if you are booting from a usb it will fail to find the root filesystem
[22:29] <bonhoeffer> jhutchins: i agree
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: this bug effects other distros too (debian and opensuse were 2 that were effected)
[22:30] <bonhoeffer> got it -- so 32 bit lubuntu? i should have a 64b processor, but i'm assuming this is safer
[22:30] <sysadminwannabe> Hi everyone. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 and I have a problem: can't change to tty2 or tty3 (Ctrl Alt F2, Ctrl Alt F3) etc... Please, can someone help me to fix this? I don't know where to start to check.
[22:30] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: what about 12.04?
[22:31] <bonhoeffer> certainly
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> sysadminwannabe: do you have an acpi key on that keyboard(labeled "fn" usually) ... try: ctrl + alt + fn + f2
[22:33] <OerHeks> tty .. only 2 and 7 are enabled in Ubuntu.
[22:34] <bonhoeffer> jhutchins: hitsujiTMO my mono is: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3898#ov
[22:34] <bonhoeffer> processor is an i5 (3.3 ghz)
[22:34] <bonhoeffer> 4 core
[22:35] <sysadminwannabe> hitsujiTMO: I can't find that key on my keyboard
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> sysadminwannabe: what type of keyboard do you have?
[22:36] <jhutchins> sysadminwannabe: That key is usually limited to laptops.
[22:36] <jhutchins> sysadminwannabe: What about 4-6 and 1?
[22:36] <sysadminwannabe> hitsujiTMO: no, false alarm... is a hardware problem. I just change the keyboard and now works... It seems that the Ctrl key is broken or something...
[22:37] <sysadminwannabe> thanks anyway people!! :D
[22:37] <jhutchins> sysadminwannabe: Well there ya go.
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> sysadminwannabe: well at least you know the cause
[22:37] <jhutchins> sysadminwannabe: Quickest way to find something obvious is to post a question to a few thousand people.
[22:38] <wcchandler> jhutchins: or insult it, saying it cannot do X and is therefore inferior to Y
[22:39] <sysadminwannabe> :P yeah, sorry about that (I'm tired and I run out of ideas... rubber duck debbuging works every time :P )
[22:39] <bonhoeffer> trying lubuntu now
[22:40] <wcchandler> until you annoy everyone
[22:40]  * wcchandler knows from experience
[22:41] <adam___> Need a small, low power server to run some linux for a home office.. suggestions? my old server is biting the dust.
[22:42] <hitsujiTMO> adam___: try asking in ##hardware    this is not a suitable channel for such a question
[22:42] <hitsujiTMO> adam___: or may6be try the offtopic channel: #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:42] <adam___> but I'm going to run Ubuntu on it :/
[22:43] <adam___> need hardware compat
[22:43] <bonhoeffer> crap -- so lubuntu brought me busy box (initramfs) as well (13.10), but i'm going to try 12 now
[22:43] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: did you manage to get the error?
[22:44] <bonhoeffer> no -- nothing
[22:44] <bonhoeffer> trying again
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: what tool are you using to make the usb?
[22:44] <bonhoeffer> three different ones
[22:44] <bonhoeffer> now just using dd
[22:44] <bonhoeffer> but pen drive tool on windows for the first two
[22:45] <bonhoeffer> ok -- trying new distro (12.04 now
[22:45] <bonhoeffer> looks like it might be booting -- much farther than the others! i'm in
[22:45] <bonhoeffer> :))
[22:46] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: \o/
[22:46] <bonhoeffer> good things -- mouse doesn't work :(
[22:46] <bonhoeffer> but keyboard does
[22:46] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: can you get to "try ubuntu"      from there can you try pastebinning the output of: lspci -nn
[22:46] <bonhoeffer> fixed that -- ok -- now to look at drive
[22:46] <bonhoeffer> will do
[22:49] <bonhoeffer> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9060814
[22:49] <bonhoeffer> hitsujiTMO: any thoughts -- all looks good
[22:49] <bonhoeffer> now to see what is mounted
[22:49] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: can you use: lspci -k
[22:51] <bonhoeffer> https://gist.github.com/tbbooher/9060836
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: all seems good there. were you plugging the usb into a usb3 port(red one)?
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: sorry, usb3 is the blue one
[22:53] <bonhoeffer> hmm .. . front port
[22:53] <bonhoeffer> but now i'm trying to mount my drives the gist above has my sudo lsblk -o  results
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: not seeing any lsblk output
[22:56] <bonhoeffer> https://gist.github.com/tbbooher/9060836
[22:56] <chris112> hi my keyboard language switch in gnome 3 is gone.
[22:56] <bonhoeffer> hmm .. . i see it in the top -- which says what it should -- so i can mount those drives
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: i see it now alright
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> o.O you didn't create a partition table on sdc?
[22:58] <bonhoeffer> i guess not
[22:58] <bonhoeffer> hmm . . . strange -- i put files there
[22:58] <bonhoeffer> these are the drives i want to move data off
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: yes you can put a filesystem directly onto a drive without creating a partition table. it's just not the best idea
[23:00] <bonhoeffer> good chance to fix things now
[23:02] <Vivekananda> ok am back
[23:03] <Vivekananda> anyone around can tell me on unity 12.04 where the settings are stored for homescreen. my homescreen shows /home/user instead of /home/user/Desktop/
[23:03] <bonhoeffer> hitsujiTMO: jhutchins i'm in business now -- thanks
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> bonhoeffer: sweet
[23:04] <bonhoeffer> the critical hint was to get of 13.10
[23:04] <ajoul> I just switched from Debian to Ubuntu and I have to say day and night
[23:04] <ajoul> Ubuntu is so much better in terms of driver support
[23:04] <ajoul> driver/hardware support
[23:05] <chris112> ajoul, which debian version where you using?
[23:08] <ajoul> Latest one, chris112
[23:08] <zilly> ls
[23:10] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: in case you are around I am trying to create a multiboot usb so I can install different oses through it. My machines currently is 64 bit capable lenovo but I have 32 bit ubuntu 12.04 installed. I wanted to ask you if I should try 64 bit  and if I will face issues running php, python, java, android adt , mysql, mysql workbench, apache
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: main issue would be with UEFI, so maybe try a legacy install. 64bit is also handier for things like php. 32bit integers in php have a max value of 2^31-1 ~= 2,000,000,000   for 64bit integers will have a max value of 2^63-1 ~= 8,000,000,000,000,000,000   ... depending on the usb as well, some things might be slow to load because of the general slow nature of most USB keys
[23:17] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: I meant that I am trying to create a usb that will contain multiple oses but I wont run it from there. I will use it to install the os on my machine and then use it
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: oh, multiple live isos? can be very tricky to get working. you'd need grub or something to have a boot menu for the individual iso images
[23:19] <ecdhe> I've got a machine running precise64.  I have a browser running in one desktop, and a terminal running in desktops 2,3, and 4.  Can I make it automatically cycle through the desktops to create a dashboard-like display/
[23:19] <ecdhe> ?
[23:19] <Vivekananda> I found this ---http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/72---easyboot---a-grubdos-multiboot-drive-that-is-easy-to-maintain/e2bv1
[23:20] <Vivekananda> I am just trying to make sure that this usb once created can also allow me to INstall those os on the laptop or not
[23:20] <ecdhe> My machine is displaying information only-- it doesn't need to accept user input, just cycle through the desktops.
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: i use my phone for such. i've installed drivedroid and can use that to mount the iso mages and serve them over the usb ports
[23:21] <ecdhe> Even if I could just get the cube-rotate feature to automatically happen every 5 seconds, that would be fine.
[23:21] <Vivekananda> do you mean you use your phone as live cd or as installers only but no live ?
[23:23] <hitsujiTMO> ecdhe: chvt
[23:24] <ecdhe> hitsujiTMO, thanks, I'll look into that.
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> ecdhe: chvt <tty numb>                  to be more exact. a cron is out of the question because it's granularity. but you could run a bash script that loops in an infinite loop and sleeps every 5 seconds
[23:25] <ecdhe> hitsujiTMO, will that change between workspaces (like ctrl-alt- arrow?)
[23:25] <irreverant> what is a good perf. monitoring tool for ubuntu?
[23:25] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: should I go with 64 bit then for only 4 gig of ram ?
[23:25] <irreverant> also what are best practices for making sure my computer isnt using up too much diskspace,
[23:25] <Ben64> if you have a 64bit cpu, you should go 64bit
[23:26] <irreverant> does it have a swap partition for a swapfile
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> ecdhe: in back just create a for loop that infintely cycles $num as 1,2,3,4 calls, chvt $num (or chvt 7 if $num is 4) and sleeps for 5 seconds
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> ecdhe: s/back/bash
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: if you have more than 256mbs ram go with 64bit
[23:27] <ecdhe> hitsujiTMO, sounds good, I'm a bash fiend.
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> ecdhe: needs to be run as root too for chvt to work. thats about it
[23:29] <ecdhe> So I see that `chvt  1' is the command that runs when I type ctrl-alt-f1.
[23:29] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: okay then I am going with it. One question. I have eclipse setup and everything for 32
[23:29] <Vivekananda> can I use it with
[23:29] <Vivekananda> 64 once I get it installed ?
[23:30] <ecdhe> What I need is a command that correlates to ctrl-alt-arrowkey...
[23:30] <setxi> I have on bashrc line export CUDA_SAMPLES=/home/mlody/NVIDIA_CUDA-5.5_Samples/NVIDIA_CUDA-5.5_Samples but this varible CUDA_SAMPLES is empty why? I wrote this to console and is varible is working. What is bad?
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> ecdhe: ahh sorry. thought you meant swapping vttys
[23:30] <irreverant> im getting an error the application compbiz has closed unexpectedly and im getting lockups on my box
[23:30] <irreverant> any ideas?
[23:31] <glitsj16> ecdhe: if you want to cycle through your workspaces, look into xdotool, that can script pressing any key combo in a similar bash script as hitsujiTMO described
[23:31] <irreverant> both my cores are getting locked up
[23:31] <ecdhe> hitsujiTMO, no worries, I appreciate the tip, I'd never seen chvt before.
[23:31] <ecdhe> glitsj16, thanks for the tip!
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: you can use 32bit apps in a 64bit environment that supports multiarch
[23:32] <nuclrwastd> ecdhe: I have no experience with it, but maybe a program like wmctrl
[23:32] <Vivekananda> I have no clue what multiarch means
[23:33] <ecdhe> nuclrwastd, thanks!
[23:33] <Vivekananda> but I am hoping that I can worry about it after installing the os
[23:33] <RedChops> Hey everyone, I'd like to update to 13.10 from 13.04, but my issue is I need to keep xorg-server at its current version due  to a funny driver issue. I've tried to restrict it using apt and another way I can't remember, but every time I go to update the distribution, it marks it for upgrade, is there any way I'm missing to stop this?
[23:33] <glitsj16> ecdhe: if you want to get deep into compiz scripting (like you mentioned rotating the cube), there's http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Dbus
[23:33] <irreverant> so compbiz and 12.10 are having troubles?
[23:34] <Ben64> RedChops: nope, but its likely the bug has been fixed
[23:34] <RedChops> Ben64, unfortunately it has not, it's on nvidia's end. If I update xorg, gtk wont display fonts
[23:35] <Ben64> RedChops: optimus?
[23:35] <RedChops> Ben64, tegra 3
[23:35] <Ben64> oh, you should be in #ubuntu-arm then
[23:36] <RedChops> Well, I figured there must be a simple way to hold a package back through distrobution upgrades that isn't arch specific
[23:36] <jhutchins> !pinning
[23:36] <Ben64> RedChops: its not possible, but they may be able to direct you to a solution to the actual problem
[23:36] <IRC_Jesus> For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.  For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.  John 3:16-17
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> RedChops: holding back xorg would not be something thats supported.
[23:37] <hitsujiTMO> IRC_Jesus: please refrain from soliciting in this channel
[23:37] <Icehawk78> My computer froze while playing a video last night, and upon rebooting, it appears to be claiming that I no longer have graphics drivers installed, and I'm unable to play any video files now (well, they'll load, but they show maybe 1 out of every 40 frames, with no sound). Any suggestions on where to start?
[23:38] <ecdhe> hitsujiTMO, glitsj16, nuclrwastd, thanks to all of you!  I think I'll have this worked out shortly.  Much appreciated!
[23:38] <RedChops> I wish there could be a fix for this, but there likely wont be until nvidia updates their drivers. Theres some bizarre API issue between them, nvidia only released a hack fix to get it working rudimentarily
[23:38] <irreverant> this sucks
[23:38] <irreverant> this realkly really sucks
[23:38] <glitsj16> ecdhe: welcome, enjoy the rotations
[23:39] <jdwwatts> Hi anyone familliar with voyager
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> jdwwatts: the probe, tv series, the game? you'll have to be more specific
[23:40] <jdwwatts> Im trying to get the simple recorder to quit popping up on log in
[23:41] <tru23> Hi, I need some help regarding a black screen problem when I try to boot up Ubuntu livecd
[23:42] <Icehawk78> Huh. ZAfter attempting to uninstall and reinstall the fglrx drivers... I can no longer log in using the main login screen for a particular user. Other users work fine, but my primary account flashes what appears to be a black terminal screen of some sort, and then returns to the main login page.
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> jdwwatts: is this http://linux.voyage.hk/ ? that you are on about?
[23:42] <jdwwatts> I deleted wndows 8 off and loaded voyager off he ubuntu cd distro
[23:43] <jdwwatts> 13.10
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> !info voyager
[23:44] <hitsujiTMO> jdwwatts: can you link to this app that you're reffering to? can't find any info
[23:45] <Guest59281> hallo
[23:45] <paty25> hola
[23:45] <ambro718> I dput my package to a bad PPA name and it got rejected, but now I can't dput to the right one.  "Package has already been uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net"
[23:45] <ambro718> What do I do??
[23:46] <paty25> sssss
[23:46] <jdwwatts> It works great I have many things i like about it its based on xf
[23:46] <jdwwatts> ok
[23:46] <TJ-> ambro718: increment the version
[23:46] <paty25> yes
[23:47] <jdwwatts> http://voyagerlive.org/
[23:47] <trism> ambro718: delete the .upload file in that dir
[23:47] <ambro718> trism: there's no .upload
[23:47] <hitsujiTMO> jdwwatts: thats a distro. it's not supported here. you'll have to contact that distro creator for support
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> jdwwatts: we can only support the official ubuntu derivatives here i'm afraid
[23:48] <ambro718> TJ-: which part of the version would that be? Now I have: 1.999.128-1~raring1
[23:48] <jdwwatts> Its a small anoyance to have to shut the app off everytime I boot in
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> ambro718: 1.999.128-1~raring2
[23:48] <ambro718> okay thanks
[23:49] <TJ-> ambro718: ignore me, I was thinking of a server-side reject, you've got a client-side reject because there's a .upload file alongside the .changes file
[23:49] <jdwwatts> ok
[23:49] <ambro718> it was a server side reject, I got an email
[23:49] <TJ-> ambro718: Yes, but it's your client-side dput that is refusing to upload
[23:50] <ambro718> ah yes there is a blablabla.upload indeed
[23:51] <adam___> how do I set up cloudprint on Ubuntu for an older printer (HP laser via usb)
[23:51] <ambro718> will anything bad happen if I remove old entired from the changes file?
[23:51] <ambro718> *entries
[23:52] <root__> hello
[23:53] <TJ-> ambro718: yes
[23:53] <jdwwatts> i am also running ubuntu 13.10 from the same linux magazine right besidw it on this dell inspiron15 and the only issue i have with it is running a install for family search indexing it runs on voyager but not ubuntu when i run the comand to start the install I get and error
[23:53] <ambro718> TJ-: what?
[23:53] <TJ-> ambro718: yes, something bad will happen
[23:54] <jdwwatts> At any rate I am happier than i was
[23:54] <ambro718> what??
[23:55] <TJ-> ambro718: you tell me! if you're not sure, don't touch, or back-up before you do it :)
[23:55] <ambro718> it's a pain to deal with this, especially when I have to submit packages for 4 or so distro versions every time
[23:55] <TJ-> ambro718: I have a script to do it
[23:55] <ambro718> I had it, but I lost it :S
[23:56] <ambro718> I'll try submitting packages with a single changes entry, see what happens :P
[23:59] <VoidWhisperer> Woo. I just made the noobiest mistake ever.. locking myself out of my server via ufw
[23:59]  * VoidWhisperer facepalms