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AussieDownUnderThis be the appropriate place for talking about the trusty alpha?01:50
pleia2depends on what you want to talk about :) we're prepping for the beta now01:53
ochosifor everyone running trusty already with light-locker: lderan has written a settings-UI that can get some first testing feedback (mailing-list announcement will follow sometime tomorrow)02:16
ochosiyou can grab it here: https://code.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk02:16
ochosijust go to the light-locker-settings folder (after running bzr branch lp:light-locker-settings) and run "python light-locker-settings.py"02:17
ochosifeel free to report bugs or ping me and/or lderan 02:17
sanchopanzaon the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware page, i'm trying to add my pastebin link to the temporary table. i'm logged in, but the page says its immutable. 02:20
knomesanchopanza, we just did some testing on that02:21
knomesanchopanza, do you have a launchpad account?02:21
knomesanchopanza, or in other words, when you are logging in to the wiki, does the ubuntu one page tell the wiki is requesting your *username* ?02:22
sanchopanzai have a launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox02:23
knomeok, cool02:23
knomethen it's probably some caching issue... try ctrl+shift+R on that page02:24
knome(and welcome!)02:24
knomeUnit193, so, did you have experience on adding services to pastebinit?02:26
Unit193>_>02:26
Unit193I'm not here.02:26
knomeyou are02:27
knomedon't hide from me02:27
Unit193Oh, you're right.02:27
Unit193knome: What service?02:27
knomedon't know yet02:27
Unit1930_o02:27
knomei need to have a chat with you some day02:27
knomebut good to know you know how to do it02:27
Unit193Well...02:27
sanchopanzatried ctrl+shift+R, the page is still immutable. hmmm..02:28
Unit193Getting called into the principal's office again. :(02:28
knomesanchopanza, i know this sounds stupid, but can you log out and in again?02:28
knomeUnit193, lol02:28
knomeUnit193, i'll PM quickly02:28
sanchopanzalogged out, logged back in with ubuntu one. page still immutable.02:33
knomehmm.02:33
knomenow that i think of it, there might be some kind of protection to stop new users from editing02:34
knomei have no way to check that though.02:34
knomesanchopanza, i can edit the page for you though.02:35
sanchopanzak. Hardware: Acer Aspire One A0725, netbook. http://pastebin.com/hxGBqtDs02:36
knomesanchopanza, done02:38
sanchopanzasweet. knome, jjfrv8 sent me the bzr tutorial chat. it's been very helpful!02:38
knomesanchopanza, good to hear :)02:38
knomeanyway, i got to go to bed now02:39
knomesee you later, and don't be afraid to ask for help if you need any02:39
sanchopanzathanks again!02:40
knomeno problem, and now -->02:41
AussieDownUnder14.04 is a go on my machine03:39
Unit193micahg: Hello.  xubuntu-community-wallpaper is uploaded.06:37
Unit193!info xubuntu-community-wallpaper trusty06:37
ubottuPackage xubuntu-community-wallpaper does not exist in trusty06:37
Unit193>_>06:37
Unit193https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-community-artwork06:38
Unit193Silly ubottu.06:38
micahgubottu is delayed on picking up packages06:38
ubottumicahg: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)06:38
Unit193Silly Unit193, wallpaper != wallpapers.06:38
Unit193Yes, but my stupid.06:38
micahgI see you found another victim^Wvolunteer06:38
Unit193Thanks for taking a look at those.06:39
micahgthat should do it for those, I"ll give it a few minutes and then generate the seed upload06:44
Unit193micahg: Oh, xfce4-panel finally had a 4.11 release, right after we got a git snapshot in (minus one nice fix.)  So that'll be nice.07:00
micahgok, that'll have to be another night07:02
Unit193Sure, just letting you know, Jackson already has it in queue.07:03
micahgok, so the meta will basically remove support for almost everything on ppc64el, I think I should try again tomorrow night07:17
micahgthe dailies should have the changes07:18
micahg(though with a few other packages as well)07:18
Unit193Thanks.  Should be another one soon to fix shipping gtk2 indicators.07:18
micahgooh, looking forwards07:18
micahgtoo tired07:18
* micahg -> sleep07:18
Unit193Sure.07:18
Unit193Good night.07:18
micahgyou too07:19
Unit193(Still have to wait on a live-build. :/) Thanks.07:19
elfyochosi: light-locker settings thing - is that going to get in - do I need to worry about the test tracker 07:40
ochosielfy: yes, i really hope it's going to get in07:50
ochosibut it's just about to be finished in it's first stage, i hope we can do the release tonight, then packaging, uploading...07:50
ochosiwill be a close deal07:50
elfyochosi: ok - well just keep me up to date - though tbh lderan should do that ;)07:51
ochosihehe, indeed07:51
elfyI did grab it and have a quick look - not got time atm to use it though07:52
ochosiok, no worries07:52
ochosiit'll also get more testing from us07:52
ochosii just thought i'd inform everyone that it's there now that it's nearing completion of stage107:52
* Unit193 broke it. :P07:52
* ochosi fixed it07:53
ochosimicahg: i guess it's too late for this one now: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.trusty_gtk3-indicators/+merge/20666708:46
ochosiah, forgot about the -> sleep08:51
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brainwash_ali1234: any thoughts regarding the current status of bug 1232804 ?13:13
ubottubug 1232804 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Improve "login greeter -> desktop" transition in Xubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123280413:13
brainwash_we got almost zero test feedback13:13
brainwash_so I suggest moving it to T+113:21
jjfrv8knome, are we still sprinting today? If so, I might not be ready until about 14:15 or so.13:46
jjfrv8bbiab14:44
jjfrv8I'm back15:22
jjfrv8hey, slickymaster-job 15:22
slickymaster-jobhi jjfrv8 15:23
slickymaster-jobi saw in the logs that both you knome were pretty busy this weekend15:24
jjfrv8did he ask you about working on the slideshow today or tomorrow?15:24
slickymaster-jobi haven't spoke with him yet jjfrv8 15:25
slickymaster-jobafter a weekend with a terrible toothache, I spent this morning at the dentist15:25
jjfrv8ah, man, that doesn't sound like fun.15:25
slickymaster-jobyeah :P15:26
ochosi:/15:26
ochosisorry to hear slickymaster-job 15:26
slickymaster-jobthanks ochosi 15:26
jjfrv8ochosi, saw your post about the versioned docs :)15:26
slickymaster-jobI think I'm still drooling a bit (at work)15:27
ochosiyeah, unfortunately it's not going to work as i hoped :/15:27
jjfrv8oh?15:27
ochosithe versioned docs are supported now, but libxfce4ui hasn't been released15:27
ochosicause currently, the components only send the "desktop version"15:27
ochosiwhich is still set to 4.10 in xubuntu15:27
slickymaster-jobyeah, I saw it on the logs15:27
ochosimaybe we can also bump that, cause if there are no 4.12 docs, it falls back to 4.10 anyway15:28
slickymaster-jobagree15:28
* ochosi isn't sure how though..15:28
jjfrv8do you want us to be doing anything on them in the meantime to get ready?15:29
ochosii'll try to talk to someone to see whether we can bump the desktop version number in xubuntu15:31
ochosiif we can, we should make the docs 4.12 only15:31
ochosi(currently they're mixed)15:31
ochosiand then i can push them to the right page15:31
ochosiin fact, if you want you can even do that now15:32
ochosiand i push them upstream15:32
ochosithat can never hurt15:32
jjfrv8I had uploaded some screenshots of multi-monitor but they didn't have the version with the infobar. I think I might have seen that in the current version though?15:33
ochosiyeah, i did the screenshots15:33
ochosislickymaster-job was persistent enough to make me do it ;)15:34
jjfrv8oh, I hadn't seen them15:34
slickymaster-jobjjfrv8: and ochosi was diligent and helpful enough to do it promptly  15:35
ochosihaha, "promptly" is a bit too kind maybe ;)15:35
ochosithanks for poking me with the long stick, good that this part is finalized too15:36
elfyand hi here too ToZ :)16:26
knomejjfrv8, slickymaster-job: yeah, sorry, wasn't able to make 14UTC :/16:43
elfyknome: when you have 5 minutes :)16:43
knomenow16:43
slickymaster-jobhey knome 16:43
knomeslickymaster-job, what's up?16:47
slickymaster-jobrecovering from a nightmare weekend and a morning appointment at the dentist :P16:47
knomejjfrv8, FWIW, the slideshow screenshot you pasted looked good16:49
jjfrv8good deal. do you still want to do any work on it today?16:50
knomei have a headache, so maybe not work hard on it, but i can chat about it16:50
jjfrv8sure, did you have any other slides in mind? For any of the other new stuff?16:51
slickymaster-jobI'll be off in about half an hour to take my kid to his tennis lesson16:51
slickymaster-jobcan we postponed to this night?16:51
knomejjfrv8, not sure. i would like to try to get away from the application-centric slides though16:53
jjfrv8as for the one I drafted, do you want me to finalize it? It needs some tweaking, obviously?16:54
knomemaybe some visual stuff16:55
knomeif you have any text-related improvements, do those16:55
knomei'll take care of the visual side16:55
knomeyou can do a merge proposal as usual16:56
jjfrv8for the text-related stuff, I was just thinking of the spacing at the bottom, above the "Where?" part.16:56
* knome thinks that's a visual issue :)16:57
jjfrv8ah16:57
knomei'll probably make the screenshots part a bit smaller16:57
knomeso the text will fit in better as is16:58
jjfrv8sounds good16:58
knomei'm not completely sure on the graphics idea on that slide16:59
knomebut we probably need to know what slides we have16:59
knomethen think of a good way to make the graphics look a bit more vibrant than just screenshot, screenshot, screenshot...16:59
elfypleia2 would say pink 17:01
jjfrv8now you're getting beyond my area of expertise - such as it is :/17:01
knomeworks for me if it's a good idea :P17:01
knomejjfrv8, i can take care of that as well :)17:01
elfyochosi: would light-locker not working in a live environment be normal? 18:23
elfyif it is I need to fiddle with the testcase 18:24
brainwash_how do you know it's not working?18:27
elfybecause I tried ;)18:30
elfytries to do something then it just returns to the desktop18:31
brainwash_elfy: I guess the same thing happens when you run "dm-tool lock" or?18:34
elfynope that works18:35
brainwash_how do you trigger light-locker?18:36
elfyfrom the action button - with the lock screen button, how else would someone do it ;)18:36
brainwash_keyboard shortcut :P18:36
elfythat is all besides the point - the point being what I asked in the first place ;)18:38
elfybecause if it is normal behaviour then all tests will fail from a vm 18:38
brainwash_indeed18:39
brainwash_I see no reason why it shouldn't work in a live environment18:40
brainwash_other than bad configuration18:40
* elfy neither - hence the question :p18:40
brainwash_ok, lets wait for an answer then18:41
elfy:)18:41
ochosielfy: did you start the light-locker process? (or make sure it's running)19:23
ochosisince it's just been added to the seed, i'm not sure whether that's already part of dailies19:23
ochosiso it wasn't launched by default yet in live sessions19:23
brainwash_ochosi: should we also copy the new parameter descriptions? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/data/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf19:39
brainwash_-> https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/greeter-conf19:39
brainwash_show-language-selector is now obsolete19:40
Unit193ochosi: It's started on boot.19:48
Unit193elfy: I booted the live iso, then called light-locker-command -l  to lock, and it worked.  Did you perhaps do something differently?19:49
Unit193Ah, xflock won't work because xscreensaver is running and that has priority over lighty.19:51
elfyok - so it's just not all set up properly yet - that's all I needed to know :)19:53
Unit193(When xflock4 was patched, it wasn't added as an alternate dep to xfce4-session, so both xubuntu-desktop and xfce4-session would pull it in.)19:53
Unit193elfy: You can still call  light-locker-command -l  directly. :P19:54
elfyyes - but I'm after having the testcase as it would be if you didn't have to muck about 19:54
elfywhich is just using it :)19:54
brainwash_Unit193: will xscreensaver get automatically removed when people upgrade to 14.04?19:55
Unit193It's on the daily image now even.19:56
brainwash_maybe we should let xflock4 check for light-locker first, because it's the new default19:56
jjfrv8Unit193, I just got it :D19:58
Unit193Got it?19:59
jjfrv8You were referring to my RedmondXP WM theme20:00
Unit193Haha!  Yes, yes I was. :P20:00
jjfrv8I'm not slow or anything, am I?20:00
* Unit193 didn't say anything!20:02
Unit193http://unit193.ninth.su/xplike.png Done something like that.20:02
jjfrv8:)20:03
elfylderan ochosi - had a quick check of light-locker-settings earlier - set the blank screen to 1 minute, it didn't seem to change from the 10 21:06
ochosielfy: did you hit apply after changing the value?21:22
ochosielfy: and did you check the timeout with "xset q | grep timeout" ?21:23
elfytimeout:  60    cycle:  60021:23
elfyand yes I hit apply - if I open it again - it is set to 1 minute21:23
ochosi60 = 1min21:23
ochosi"set the blank screen to 1 minute, it didn't seem to change from the 10"21:24
ochosiso it's fine?21:24
elfyif I set blank screen to 1 minute - should it not do that when locked?21:25
ochosi?21:25
ochosisorry, that's a question i don't get21:25
Unit193With that set, shouldn't it blank after one minute when locked?21:26
ochosisry, gotta go now, hopefully someone else can help you out or you're still around when i get back21:26
ochosiwhen locked?21:26
elfyhttp://imagebin.org/29401421:26
elfyI'm off too 21:26
ochosielfy: 21:26
ochosilock after screensaver is disabled for you21:26
ochosiso why/how should it lock?21:26
ochosianyway, i'm confused21:27
ochosiand i gotta go21:27
ochosibbl21:27
elfyok - so this is not anything to do with the screen blanking when screen is locked?21:27
elfyI'll look in the morning 21:27
elfynight all21:27
Unit193ochosi: How I understand it, call  light-locker-command -l, wait a minute, screen isn't set to blank.21:29
lderanUnit193, the top slider controls when the screensaver will kick in. then lightlocker will lock depending if its set to or not.21:52
brainwash_lderan: light-locker-settings disables light-locker by writing "Exec=" to the desktop file?22:12
Unit193Hidden=true might be better, no?22:14
brainwash_exactly22:15
brainwash_and -settings should be able to kill light-locker and/or execute the .desktop file, restarting the session to apply changes seems to be overkill22:19
brainwash_but I like what I see, maybe I can contribute too :)22:20
lderan\o/22:21
lderanbrainwash_, i will check with ochosi about the blank exec= override the default light-locker autostart .desktop file22:24
brainwash_using Hidden= would make it compatible with the settings manager (session and startup)22:26
lderanwill make it do :)22:30
lderanso*22:30
knome+1 for Hidden=22:31
brainwash_thanks22:31
Unit193knome!22:31
knomeUnit193!22:31
lderanknome & Unit193!22:33
knomelderan!22:33
Unit193Howdy.22:33
Unit193knome: I changed it to an appendix, happy?22:43
knomeUnit193, nnnniice22:44
Unit193Nope, you still won't like it: https://unit193.net/xubuntu-testing/desktop-guide/  :P22:44
knomeit's better like that22:45
knomeneed to reconsider the style for "Behind the scenes" (maybe a header?) but otherwise good22:45
Unit193F522:52
knomelooks better22:58
knomenow reconsider the settings manager style :P22:58
Unit193Well, it's a footnote, not background stuff at all, hardly needs to be seperated from the main list.22:59
Unit193Also, did you want to add anymore?23:00
knomei would probably add a "how to check dependencies for a package" section23:09
knomeand i would still consider the formatting for the first table23:09
knomebut you can leave that to me23:10
Unit193Sure, I'll leave the "How to check deps" and formatting to you. :D23:10
knomebah23:11
slickymasterhey knome 23:11
knomehello slickymaster 23:11
slickymastersaw in the logs that you and jjfrv8 were working on the slideshow23:11
knomeonly very slightly23:11
slickymasteranything I can do?23:11
knomeif you have ideas how to improve the slideshow, sure23:12
knomebasically, i'd like a more "vibrant" slideshow23:12
knomeand not so appliation-centric23:12
knome+c23:12
slickymasterwithout any kind of markting speech23:12
slickymastermarketing ^^23:12
slickymasterthrough out the entire slideshow?23:13
knomeyep23:13
knomebecause we can expect the user to be ready to test xubuntu at that point23:13
knomeand we should show them the best sides23:13
slickymasterhm I see what you're after23:13
pleia2http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/23:13
pleia2put it on the social medias too23:13
slickymasterhey pleia2 o/23:14
pleia2hi there slickymaster :)23:14
slickymasteri see I have to translate it into portguese23:15
slickymasterportuguese  23:15
pleia2slickymaster: someone did, but they never uploaded it to spreadubuntu and I can't give attribution :] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu/Activities#Xubuntu_Flyer23:16
pleia2so I haven't linked it, if you want to do it again and upload it to SU that'd be lovely23:17
pleia2no idea where it came from, looks like someone just shared the random ubuntuone link directly with someone on the startubuntu team23:17
slickymasterhow do I go about tranlating it pleia2?23:18
slickymasteris there a file somewhere to be downloaded?23:18
slickymasterover at http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-us-letter I only see a pdf, a png and a svg file23:19
pleia2slickymaster: svg is what you want, that's the source file23:20
pleia2can edit in inkscape, then export to png and pdf23:20
pleia2then upload all three23:20
slickymasterI no, nevermind me 23:20
pleia2ok :)23:20
slickymasterI must still be quite numb from the dentist early this morning23:20
Unit193knome: Happy now?23:21
knomeslickymaster, make sure you ahve the font 'open sans' installed23:21
slickymasteras a matter of fact, I don't have it in my laptop23:22
slickymasterI'll have to work on it tommorrow at my box over at work23:22
knomeUnit193, not really.. but you an leave it to me ;)23:23
knome+c23:23
Unit193Bleh, sounds like a plan.23:23
knomei need to replace my keyboard some day23:23
Unit193(I sorted the list this time.)23:23
knomei see23:24
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/WSlRVNMHHIQpWSE2r4vr - http://paste.openstack.org/show/iU3bfiPifiRSIZKVCtWq23:25
knomeUnit193, where's the merge proposal?23:25
Unit193In /dev/null, it's not complete.23:25
knomeokay, i'll look at that when you have a MP incoming23:26
Unit193...So I'm supposed to merge something I know isn't right? :/23:26
knomeyep, that's fine.23:26
knomei'll make sure i fix it before i merge it back to main23:27
Unit193:/23:27
Unit193Well, are you good with the name of the file at least?23:27
knomelooks fine23:29
Unit193lp:~unit193/xubuntu-docs/new-appendix23:33
knometa,23:33
knomei'll take a look at it tomorrow23:33
knome(preparing to go to sleep soon)23:33
Unit193Sure, taking a look at the linguas merge too?23:34
slickymasterknome: before you go just one thing23:34
slickymasterthe name of the font is just 'open sans'?23:34
knomeslickymaster, yep?23:34
slickymasternothing else?23:34
knomeslickymaster, yep23:35
knomeUnit193, it'd good to me, but did you want some code review for it?23:35
* slickymaster has to deepen his knowledge on fonts23:35
Unit193knome: Well, know who can do that?23:36
knomeUnit193, yes, but i don't have the answer to "who would do that"23:37
Unit193Heh, that.23:37
knomei can look at it if you want23:37
Unit193desktop-guide/Makefile and scripts/translate.sh need the most, but second should be just fine.  I've got the second half staged already too.23:38
Unit193Anyway, forget for now, ping tomorrow when you're in the mood for it. :P23:39
knomeUnit193, will do23:39
Unit193(Second half does add a missed "exit" to translate.sh though.)23:40
knomei'm off to bed. see you all tomorrow23:50
slickymasternighty knome 23:50
bluesabreI was thinking that we did not include light-locker on 'live', only on 'desktop'23:56

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