[01:50] This be the appropriate place for talking about the trusty alpha? [01:53] depends on what you want to talk about :) we're prepping for the beta now [02:16] for everyone running trusty already with light-locker: lderan has written a settings-UI that can get some first testing feedback (mailing-list announcement will follow sometime tomorrow) [02:16] you can grab it here: https://code.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk [02:17] just go to the light-locker-settings folder (after running bzr branch lp:light-locker-settings) and run "python light-locker-settings.py" [02:17] feel free to report bugs or ping me and/or lderan [02:20] on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware page, i'm trying to add my pastebin link to the temporary table. i'm logged in, but the page says its immutable. [02:21] sanchopanza, we just did some testing on that [02:21] sanchopanza, do you have a launchpad account? [02:22] sanchopanza, or in other words, when you are logging in to the wiki, does the ubuntu one page tell the wiki is requesting your *username* ? [02:23] i have a launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox [02:23] ok, cool [02:24] then it's probably some caching issue... try ctrl+shift+R on that page [02:24] (and welcome!) [02:26] Unit193, so, did you have experience on adding services to pastebinit? [02:26] >_> [02:26] I'm not here. [02:27] you are [02:27] don't hide from me [02:27] Oh, you're right. [02:27] knome: What service? [02:27] don't know yet [02:27] 0_o [02:27] i need to have a chat with you some day [02:27] but good to know you know how to do it [02:27] Well... [02:28] tried ctrl+shift+R, the page is still immutable. hmmm.. [02:28] Getting called into the principal's office again. :( [02:28] sanchopanza, i know this sounds stupid, but can you log out and in again? [02:28] Unit193, lol [02:28] Unit193, i'll PM quickly [02:33] logged out, logged back in with ubuntu one. page still immutable. [02:33] hmm. [02:34] now that i think of it, there might be some kind of protection to stop new users from editing [02:34] i have no way to check that though. [02:35] sanchopanza, i can edit the page for you though. [02:36] k. Hardware: Acer Aspire One A0725, netbook. http://pastebin.com/hxGBqtDs [02:38] sanchopanza, done [02:38] sweet. knome, jjfrv8 sent me the bzr tutorial chat. it's been very helpful! [02:38] sanchopanza, good to hear :) [02:39] anyway, i got to go to bed now [02:39] see you later, and don't be afraid to ask for help if you need any [02:40] thanks again! [02:41] no problem, and now --> [03:39] 14.04 is a go on my machine [06:37] micahg: Hello. xubuntu-community-wallpaper is uploaded. [06:37] !info xubuntu-community-wallpaper trusty [06:37] Package xubuntu-community-wallpaper does not exist in trusty [06:37] >_> [06:38] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-community-artwork [06:38] Silly ubottu. [06:38] ubottu is delayed on picking up packages [06:38] micahg: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [06:38] Silly Unit193, wallpaper != wallpapers. [06:38] Yes, but my stupid. [06:38] I see you found another victim^Wvolunteer [06:39] Thanks for taking a look at those. [06:44] that should do it for those, I"ll give it a few minutes and then generate the seed upload [07:00] micahg: Oh, xfce4-panel finally had a 4.11 release, right after we got a git snapshot in (minus one nice fix.) So that'll be nice. [07:02] ok, that'll have to be another night [07:03] Sure, just letting you know, Jackson already has it in queue. [07:17] ok, so the meta will basically remove support for almost everything on ppc64el, I think I should try again tomorrow night [07:18] the dailies should have the changes [07:18] (though with a few other packages as well) [07:18] Thanks. Should be another one soon to fix shipping gtk2 indicators. [07:18] ooh, looking forwards [07:18] too tired [07:18] * micahg -> sleep [07:18] Sure. [07:18] Good night. [07:19] you too [07:19] (Still have to wait on a live-build. :/) Thanks. [07:40] ochosi: light-locker settings thing - is that going to get in - do I need to worry about the test tracker [07:50] elfy: yes, i really hope it's going to get in [07:50] but it's just about to be finished in it's first stage, i hope we can do the release tonight, then packaging, uploading... [07:50] will be a close deal [07:51] ochosi: ok - well just keep me up to date - though tbh lderan should do that ;) [07:51] hehe, indeed [07:52] I did grab it and have a quick look - not got time atm to use it though [07:52] ok, no worries [07:52] it'll also get more testing from us [07:52] i just thought i'd inform everyone that it's there now that it's nearing completion of stage1 [07:52] * Unit193 broke it. :P [07:53] * ochosi fixed it [08:46] micahg: i guess it's too late for this one now: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.trusty_gtk3-indicators/+merge/206667 [08:51] ah, forgot about the -> sleep === jackson is now known as Guest13784 [13:13] ali1234: any thoughts regarding the current status of bug 1232804 ? [13:13] bug 1232804 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "Improve "login greeter -> desktop" transition in Xubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232804 [13:13] we got almost zero test feedback [13:21] so I suggest moving it to T+1 [13:46] knome, are we still sprinting today? If so, I might not be ready until about 14:15 or so. [14:44] bbiab [15:22] I'm back [15:22] hey, slickymaster-job [15:23] hi jjfrv8 [15:24] i saw in the logs that both you knome were pretty busy this weekend [15:24] did he ask you about working on the slideshow today or tomorrow? [15:25] i haven't spoke with him yet jjfrv8 [15:25] after a weekend with a terrible toothache, I spent this morning at the dentist [15:25] ah, man, that doesn't sound like fun. [15:26] yeah :P [15:26] :/ [15:26] sorry to hear slickymaster-job [15:26] thanks ochosi [15:26] ochosi, saw your post about the versioned docs :) [15:27] I think I'm still drooling a bit (at work) [15:27] yeah, unfortunately it's not going to work as i hoped :/ [15:27] oh? [15:27] the versioned docs are supported now, but libxfce4ui hasn't been released [15:27] cause currently, the components only send the "desktop version" [15:27] which is still set to 4.10 in xubuntu [15:27] yeah, I saw it on the logs [15:28] maybe we can also bump that, cause if there are no 4.12 docs, it falls back to 4.10 anyway [15:28] agree [15:28] * ochosi isn't sure how though.. [15:29] do you want us to be doing anything on them in the meantime to get ready? [15:31] i'll try to talk to someone to see whether we can bump the desktop version number in xubuntu [15:31] if we can, we should make the docs 4.12 only [15:31] (currently they're mixed) [15:31] and then i can push them to the right page [15:32] in fact, if you want you can even do that now [15:32] and i push them upstream [15:32] that can never hurt [15:33] I had uploaded some screenshots of multi-monitor but they didn't have the version with the infobar. I think I might have seen that in the current version though? [15:33] yeah, i did the screenshots [15:34] slickymaster-job was persistent enough to make me do it ;) [15:34] oh, I hadn't seen them [15:35] jjfrv8: and ochosi was diligent and helpful enough to do it promptly [15:35] haha, "promptly" is a bit too kind maybe ;) [15:36] thanks for poking me with the long stick, good that this part is finalized too [16:26] and hi here too ToZ :) [16:43] jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: yeah, sorry, wasn't able to make 14UTC :/ [16:43] knome: when you have 5 minutes :) [16:43] now [16:43] hey knome [16:47] slickymaster-job, what's up? [16:47] recovering from a nightmare weekend and a morning appointment at the dentist :P [16:49] jjfrv8, FWIW, the slideshow screenshot you pasted looked good [16:50] good deal. do you still want to do any work on it today? [16:50] i have a headache, so maybe not work hard on it, but i can chat about it [16:51] sure, did you have any other slides in mind? For any of the other new stuff? [16:51] I'll be off in about half an hour to take my kid to his tennis lesson [16:51] can we postponed to this night? [16:53] jjfrv8, not sure. i would like to try to get away from the application-centric slides though [16:54] as for the one I drafted, do you want me to finalize it? It needs some tweaking, obviously? [16:55] maybe some visual stuff [16:55] if you have any text-related improvements, do those [16:55] i'll take care of the visual side [16:56] you can do a merge proposal as usual [16:56] for the text-related stuff, I was just thinking of the spacing at the bottom, above the "Where?" part. [16:57] * knome thinks that's a visual issue :) [16:57] ah [16:57] i'll probably make the screenshots part a bit smaller [16:58] so the text will fit in better as is [16:58] sounds good [16:59] i'm not completely sure on the graphics idea on that slide [16:59] but we probably need to know what slides we have [16:59] then think of a good way to make the graphics look a bit more vibrant than just screenshot, screenshot, screenshot... [17:01] pleia2 would say pink [17:01] now you're getting beyond my area of expertise - such as it is :/ [17:01] works for me if it's a good idea :P [17:01] jjfrv8, i can take care of that as well :) [18:23] ochosi: would light-locker not working in a live environment be normal? [18:24] if it is I need to fiddle with the testcase [18:27] how do you know it's not working? [18:30] because I tried ;) [18:31] tries to do something then it just returns to the desktop [18:34] elfy: I guess the same thing happens when you run "dm-tool lock" or? [18:35] nope that works [18:36] how do you trigger light-locker? [18:36] from the action button - with the lock screen button, how else would someone do it ;) [18:36] keyboard shortcut :P [18:38] that is all besides the point - the point being what I asked in the first place ;) [18:38] because if it is normal behaviour then all tests will fail from a vm [18:39] indeed [18:40] I see no reason why it shouldn't work in a live environment [18:40] other than bad configuration [18:40] * elfy neither - hence the question :p [18:41] ok, lets wait for an answer then [18:41] :) [19:23] elfy: did you start the light-locker process? (or make sure it's running) [19:23] since it's just been added to the seed, i'm not sure whether that's already part of dailies [19:23] so it wasn't launched by default yet in live sessions [19:39] ochosi: should we also copy the new parameter descriptions? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/data/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf [19:39] -> https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/greeter-conf [19:40] show-language-selector is now obsolete [19:48] ochosi: It's started on boot. [19:49] elfy: I booted the live iso, then called light-locker-command -l to lock, and it worked. Did you perhaps do something differently? [19:51] Ah, xflock won't work because xscreensaver is running and that has priority over lighty. [19:53] ok - so it's just not all set up properly yet - that's all I needed to know :) [19:53] (When xflock4 was patched, it wasn't added as an alternate dep to xfce4-session, so both xubuntu-desktop and xfce4-session would pull it in.) [19:54] elfy: You can still call light-locker-command -l directly. :P [19:54] yes - but I'm after having the testcase as it would be if you didn't have to muck about [19:54] which is just using it :) [19:55] Unit193: will xscreensaver get automatically removed when people upgrade to 14.04? [19:56] It's on the daily image now even. [19:56] maybe we should let xflock4 check for light-locker first, because it's the new default [19:58] Unit193, I just got it :D [19:59] Got it? [20:00] You were referring to my RedmondXP WM theme [20:00] Haha! Yes, yes I was. :P [20:00] I'm not slow or anything, am I? [20:02] * Unit193 didn't say anything! [20:02] http://unit193.ninth.su/xplike.png Done something like that. [20:03] :) [21:06] lderan ochosi - had a quick check of light-locker-settings earlier - set the blank screen to 1 minute, it didn't seem to change from the 10 [21:22] elfy: did you hit apply after changing the value? [21:23] elfy: and did you check the timeout with "xset q | grep timeout" ? [21:23] timeout: 60 cycle: 600 [21:23] and yes I hit apply - if I open it again - it is set to 1 minute [21:23] 60 = 1min [21:24] "set the blank screen to 1 minute, it didn't seem to change from the 10" [21:24] so it's fine? [21:25] if I set blank screen to 1 minute - should it not do that when locked? [21:25] ? [21:25] sorry, that's a question i don't get [21:26] With that set, shouldn't it blank after one minute when locked? [21:26] sry, gotta go now, hopefully someone else can help you out or you're still around when i get back [21:26] when locked? [21:26] http://imagebin.org/294014 [21:26] I'm off too [21:26] elfy: [21:26] lock after screensaver is disabled for you [21:26] so why/how should it lock? [21:27] anyway, i'm confused [21:27] and i gotta go [21:27] bbl [21:27] ok - so this is not anything to do with the screen blanking when screen is locked? [21:27] I'll look in the morning [21:27] night all [21:29] ochosi: How I understand it, call light-locker-command -l, wait a minute, screen isn't set to blank. [21:52] Unit193, the top slider controls when the screensaver will kick in. then lightlocker will lock depending if its set to or not. [22:12] lderan: light-locker-settings disables light-locker by writing "Exec=" to the desktop file? [22:14] Hidden=true might be better, no? [22:15] exactly [22:19] and -settings should be able to kill light-locker and/or execute the .desktop file, restarting the session to apply changes seems to be overkill [22:20] but I like what I see, maybe I can contribute too :) [22:21] \o/ [22:24] brainwash_, i will check with ochosi about the blank exec= override the default light-locker autostart .desktop file [22:26] using Hidden= would make it compatible with the settings manager (session and startup) [22:30] will make it do :) [22:30] so* [22:31] +1 for Hidden= [22:31] thanks [22:31] knome! [22:31] Unit193! [22:33] knome & Unit193! [22:33] lderan! [22:33] Howdy. [22:43] knome: I changed it to an appendix, happy? [22:44] Unit193, nnnniice [22:44] Nope, you still won't like it: https://unit193.net/xubuntu-testing/desktop-guide/ :P [22:45] it's better like that [22:45] need to reconsider the style for "Behind the scenes" (maybe a header?) but otherwise good [22:52] F5 [22:58] looks better [22:58] now reconsider the settings manager style :P [22:59] Well, it's a footnote, not background stuff at all, hardly needs to be seperated from the main list. [23:00] Also, did you want to add anymore? [23:09] i would probably add a "how to check dependencies for a package" section [23:09] and i would still consider the formatting for the first table [23:10] but you can leave that to me [23:10] Sure, I'll leave the "How to check deps" and formatting to you. :D [23:11] bah [23:11] hey knome [23:11] hello slickymaster [23:11] saw in the logs that you and jjfrv8 were working on the slideshow [23:11] only very slightly [23:11] anything I can do? [23:12] if you have ideas how to improve the slideshow, sure [23:12] basically, i'd like a more "vibrant" slideshow [23:12] and not so appliation-centric [23:12] +c [23:12] without any kind of markting speech [23:12] marketing ^^ [23:13] through out the entire slideshow? [23:13] yep [23:13] because we can expect the user to be ready to test xubuntu at that point [23:13] and we should show them the best sides [23:13] hm I see what you're after [23:13] http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/ [23:13] put it on the social medias too [23:14] hey pleia2 o/ [23:14] hi there slickymaster :) [23:15] i see I have to translate it into portguese [23:15] portuguese [23:16] slickymaster: someone did, but they never uploaded it to spreadubuntu and I can't give attribution :] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu/Activities#Xubuntu_Flyer [23:17] so I haven't linked it, if you want to do it again and upload it to SU that'd be lovely [23:17] no idea where it came from, looks like someone just shared the random ubuntuone link directly with someone on the startubuntu team [23:18] how do I go about tranlating it pleia2? [23:18] is there a file somewhere to be downloaded? [23:19] over at http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-us-letter I only see a pdf, a png and a svg file [23:20] slickymaster: svg is what you want, that's the source file [23:20] can edit in inkscape, then export to png and pdf [23:20] then upload all three [23:20] I no, nevermind me [23:20] ok :) [23:20] I must still be quite numb from the dentist early this morning [23:21] knome: Happy now? [23:21] slickymaster, make sure you ahve the font 'open sans' installed [23:22] as a matter of fact, I don't have it in my laptop [23:22] I'll have to work on it tommorrow at my box over at work [23:23] Unit193, not really.. but you an leave it to me ;) [23:23] +c [23:23] Bleh, sounds like a plan. [23:23] i need to replace my keyboard some day [23:23] (I sorted the list this time.) [23:24] i see [23:25] http://paste.openstack.org/show/WSlRVNMHHIQpWSE2r4vr - http://paste.openstack.org/show/iU3bfiPifiRSIZKVCtWq [23:25] Unit193, where's the merge proposal? [23:25] In /dev/null, it's not complete. [23:26] okay, i'll look at that when you have a MP incoming [23:26] ...So I'm supposed to merge something I know isn't right? :/ [23:26] yep, that's fine. [23:27] i'll make sure i fix it before i merge it back to main [23:27] :/ [23:27] Well, are you good with the name of the file at least? [23:29] looks fine [23:33] lp:~unit193/xubuntu-docs/new-appendix [23:33] ta, [23:33] i'll take a look at it tomorrow [23:33] (preparing to go to sleep soon) [23:34] Sure, taking a look at the linguas merge too? [23:34] knome: before you go just one thing [23:34] the name of the font is just 'open sans'? [23:34] slickymaster, yep? [23:34] nothing else? [23:35] slickymaster, yep [23:35] Unit193, it'd good to me, but did you want some code review for it? [23:35] * slickymaster has to deepen his knowledge on fonts [23:36] knome: Well, know who can do that? [23:37] Unit193, yes, but i don't have the answer to "who would do that" [23:37] Heh, that. [23:37] i can look at it if you want [23:38] desktop-guide/Makefile and scripts/translate.sh need the most, but second should be just fine. I've got the second half staged already too. [23:39] Anyway, forget for now, ping tomorrow when you're in the mood for it. :P [23:39] Unit193, will do [23:40] (Second half does add a missed "exit" to translate.sh though.) [23:50] i'm off to bed. see you all tomorrow [23:50] nighty knome [23:56] I was thinking that we did not include light-locker on 'live', only on 'desktop'