[01:50] <AussieDownUnder> This be the appropriate place for talking about the trusty alpha?
[01:53] <pleia2> depends on what you want to talk about :) we're prepping for the beta now
[02:16] <ochosi> for everyone running trusty already with light-locker: lderan has written a settings-UI that can get some first testing feedback (mailing-list announcement will follow sometime tomorrow)
[02:16] <ochosi> you can grab it here: https://code.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk
[02:17] <ochosi> just go to the light-locker-settings folder (after running bzr branch lp:light-locker-settings) and run "python light-locker-settings.py"
[02:17] <ochosi> feel free to report bugs or ping me and/or lderan 
[02:20] <sanchopanza> on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware page, i'm trying to add my pastebin link to the temporary table. i'm logged in, but the page says its immutable. 
[02:21] <knome> sanchopanza, we just did some testing on that
[02:21] <knome> sanchopanza, do you have a launchpad account?
[02:22] <knome> sanchopanza, or in other words, when you are logging in to the wiki, does the ubuntu one page tell the wiki is requesting your *username* ?
[02:23] <sanchopanza> i have a launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox
[02:23] <knome> ok, cool
[02:24] <knome> then it's probably some caching issue... try ctrl+shift+R on that page
[02:24] <knome> (and welcome!)
[02:26] <knome> Unit193, so, did you have experience on adding services to pastebinit?
[02:26] <Unit193> >_>
[02:26] <Unit193> I'm not here.
[02:27] <knome> you are
[02:27] <knome> don't hide from me
[02:27] <Unit193> Oh, you're right.
[02:27] <Unit193> knome: What service?
[02:27] <knome> don't know yet
[02:27] <Unit193> 0_o
[02:27] <knome> i need to have a chat with you some day
[02:27] <knome> but good to know you know how to do it
[02:27] <Unit193> Well...
[02:28] <sanchopanza> tried ctrl+shift+R, the page is still immutable. hmmm..
[02:28] <Unit193> Getting called into the principal's office again. :(
[02:28] <knome> sanchopanza, i know this sounds stupid, but can you log out and in again?
[02:28] <knome> Unit193, lol
[02:28] <knome> Unit193, i'll PM quickly
[02:33] <sanchopanza> logged out, logged back in with ubuntu one. page still immutable.
[02:33] <knome> hmm.
[02:34] <knome> now that i think of it, there might be some kind of protection to stop new users from editing
[02:34] <knome> i have no way to check that though.
[02:35] <knome> sanchopanza, i can edit the page for you though.
[02:36] <sanchopanza> k. Hardware: Acer Aspire One A0725, netbook. http://pastebin.com/hxGBqtDs
[02:38] <knome> sanchopanza, done
[02:38] <sanchopanza> sweet. knome, jjfrv8 sent me the bzr tutorial chat. it's been very helpful!
[02:38] <knome> sanchopanza, good to hear :)
[02:39] <knome> anyway, i got to go to bed now
[02:39] <knome> see you later, and don't be afraid to ask for help if you need any
[02:40] <sanchopanza> thanks again!
[02:41] <knome> no problem, and now -->
[03:39] <AussieDownUnder> 14.04 is a go on my machine
[06:37] <Unit193> micahg: Hello.  xubuntu-community-wallpaper is uploaded.
[06:37] <Unit193> !info xubuntu-community-wallpaper trusty
[06:37] <Unit193> >_>
[06:38] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-community-artwork
[06:38] <Unit193> Silly ubottu.
[06:38] <micahg> ubottu is delayed on picking up packages
[06:38] <Unit193> Silly Unit193, wallpaper != wallpapers.
[06:38] <Unit193> Yes, but my stupid.
[06:38] <micahg> I see you found another victim^Wvolunteer
[06:39] <Unit193> Thanks for taking a look at those.
[06:44] <micahg> that should do it for those, I"ll give it a few minutes and then generate the seed upload
[07:00] <Unit193> micahg: Oh, xfce4-panel finally had a 4.11 release, right after we got a git snapshot in (minus one nice fix.)  So that'll be nice.
[07:02] <micahg> ok, that'll have to be another night
[07:03] <Unit193> Sure, just letting you know, Jackson already has it in queue.
[07:17] <micahg> ok, so the meta will basically remove support for almost everything on ppc64el, I think I should try again tomorrow night
[07:18] <micahg> the dailies should have the changes
[07:18] <micahg> (though with a few other packages as well)
[07:18] <Unit193> Thanks.  Should be another one soon to fix shipping gtk2 indicators.
[07:18] <micahg> ooh, looking forwards
[07:18] <micahg> too tired
[07:18]  * micahg -> sleep
[07:18] <Unit193> Sure.
[07:18] <Unit193> Good night.
[07:19] <micahg> you too
[07:19] <Unit193> (Still have to wait on a live-build. :/) Thanks.
[07:40] <elfy> ochosi: light-locker settings thing - is that going to get in - do I need to worry about the test tracker 
[07:50] <ochosi> elfy: yes, i really hope it's going to get in
[07:50] <ochosi> but it's just about to be finished in it's first stage, i hope we can do the release tonight, then packaging, uploading...
[07:50] <ochosi> will be a close deal
[07:51] <elfy> ochosi: ok - well just keep me up to date - though tbh lderan should do that ;)
[07:51] <ochosi> hehe, indeed
[07:52] <elfy> I did grab it and have a quick look - not got time atm to use it though
[07:52] <ochosi> ok, no worries
[07:52] <ochosi> it'll also get more testing from us
[07:52] <ochosi> i just thought i'd inform everyone that it's there now that it's nearing completion of stage1
[07:52]  * Unit193 broke it. :P
[07:53]  * ochosi fixed it
[08:46] <ochosi> micahg: i guess it's too late for this one now: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.trusty_gtk3-indicators/+merge/206667
[08:51] <ochosi> ah, forgot about the -> sleep
[13:13] <brainwash_> ali1234: any thoughts regarding the current status of bug 1232804 ?
[13:13] <brainwash_> we got almost zero test feedback
[13:21] <brainwash_> so I suggest moving it to T+1
[13:46] <jjfrv8> knome, are we still sprinting today? If so, I might not be ready until about 14:15 or so.
[14:44] <jjfrv8> bbiab
[15:22] <jjfrv8> I'm back
[15:22] <jjfrv8> hey, slickymaster-job 
[15:23] <slickymaster-job> hi jjfrv8 
[15:24] <slickymaster-job> i saw in the logs that both you knome were pretty busy this weekend
[15:24] <jjfrv8> did he ask you about working on the slideshow today or tomorrow?
[15:25] <slickymaster-job> i haven't spoke with him yet jjfrv8 
[15:25] <slickymaster-job> after a weekend with a terrible toothache, I spent this morning at the dentist
[15:25] <jjfrv8> ah, man, that doesn't sound like fun.
[15:26] <slickymaster-job> yeah :P
[15:26] <ochosi> :/
[15:26] <ochosi> sorry to hear slickymaster-job 
[15:26] <slickymaster-job> thanks ochosi 
[15:26] <jjfrv8> ochosi, saw your post about the versioned docs :)
[15:27] <slickymaster-job> I think I'm still drooling a bit (at work)
[15:27] <ochosi> yeah, unfortunately it's not going to work as i hoped :/
[15:27] <jjfrv8> oh?
[15:27] <ochosi> the versioned docs are supported now, but libxfce4ui hasn't been released
[15:27] <ochosi> cause currently, the components only send the "desktop version"
[15:27] <ochosi> which is still set to 4.10 in xubuntu
[15:27] <slickymaster-job> yeah, I saw it on the logs
[15:28] <ochosi> maybe we can also bump that, cause if there are no 4.12 docs, it falls back to 4.10 anyway
[15:28] <slickymaster-job> agree
[15:28]  * ochosi isn't sure how though..
[15:29] <jjfrv8> do you want us to be doing anything on them in the meantime to get ready?
[15:31] <ochosi> i'll try to talk to someone to see whether we can bump the desktop version number in xubuntu
[15:31] <ochosi> if we can, we should make the docs 4.12 only
[15:31] <ochosi> (currently they're mixed)
[15:31] <ochosi> and then i can push them to the right page
[15:32] <ochosi> in fact, if you want you can even do that now
[15:32] <ochosi> and i push them upstream
[15:32] <ochosi> that can never hurt
[15:33] <jjfrv8> I had uploaded some screenshots of multi-monitor but they didn't have the version with the infobar. I think I might have seen that in the current version though?
[15:33] <ochosi> yeah, i did the screenshots
[15:34] <ochosi> slickymaster-job was persistent enough to make me do it ;)
[15:34] <jjfrv8> oh, I hadn't seen them
[15:35] <slickymaster-job> jjfrv8: and ochosi was diligent and helpful enough to do it promptly  
[15:35] <ochosi> haha, "promptly" is a bit too kind maybe ;)
[15:36] <ochosi> thanks for poking me with the long stick, good that this part is finalized too
[16:26] <elfy> and hi here too ToZ :)
[16:43] <knome> jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: yeah, sorry, wasn't able to make 14UTC :/
[16:43] <elfy> knome: when you have 5 minutes :)
[16:43] <knome> now
[16:43] <slickymaster-job> hey knome 
[16:47] <knome> slickymaster-job, what's up?
[16:47] <slickymaster-job> recovering from a nightmare weekend and a morning appointment at the dentist :P
[16:49] <knome> jjfrv8, FWIW, the slideshow screenshot you pasted looked good
[16:50] <jjfrv8> good deal. do you still want to do any work on it today?
[16:50] <knome> i have a headache, so maybe not work hard on it, but i can chat about it
[16:51] <jjfrv8> sure, did you have any other slides in mind? For any of the other new stuff?
[16:51] <slickymaster-job> I'll be off in about half an hour to take my kid to his tennis lesson
[16:51] <slickymaster-job> can we postponed to this night?
[16:53] <knome> jjfrv8, not sure. i would like to try to get away from the application-centric slides though
[16:54] <jjfrv8> as for the one I drafted, do you want me to finalize it? It needs some tweaking, obviously?
[16:55] <knome> maybe some visual stuff
[16:55] <knome> if you have any text-related improvements, do those
[16:55] <knome> i'll take care of the visual side
[16:56] <knome> you can do a merge proposal as usual
[16:56] <jjfrv8> for the text-related stuff, I was just thinking of the spacing at the bottom, above the "Where?" part.
[16:57]  * knome thinks that's a visual issue :)
[16:57] <jjfrv8> ah
[16:57] <knome> i'll probably make the screenshots part a bit smaller
[16:58] <knome> so the text will fit in better as is
[16:58] <jjfrv8> sounds good
[16:59] <knome> i'm not completely sure on the graphics idea on that slide
[16:59] <knome> but we probably need to know what slides we have
[16:59] <knome> then think of a good way to make the graphics look a bit more vibrant than just screenshot, screenshot, screenshot...
[17:01] <elfy> pleia2 would say pink 
[17:01] <jjfrv8> now you're getting beyond my area of expertise - such as it is :/
[17:01] <knome> works for me if it's a good idea :P
[17:01] <knome> jjfrv8, i can take care of that as well :)
[18:23] <elfy> ochosi: would light-locker not working in a live environment be normal? 
[18:24] <elfy> if it is I need to fiddle with the testcase 
[18:27] <brainwash_> how do you know it's not working?
[18:30] <elfy> because I tried ;)
[18:31] <elfy> tries to do something then it just returns to the desktop
[18:34] <brainwash_> elfy: I guess the same thing happens when you run "dm-tool lock" or?
[18:35] <elfy> nope that works
[18:36] <brainwash_> how do you trigger light-locker?
[18:36] <elfy> from the action button - with the lock screen button, how else would someone do it ;)
[18:36] <brainwash_> keyboard shortcut :P
[18:38] <elfy> that is all besides the point - the point being what I asked in the first place ;)
[18:38] <elfy> because if it is normal behaviour then all tests will fail from a vm 
[18:39] <brainwash_> indeed
[18:40] <brainwash_> I see no reason why it shouldn't work in a live environment
[18:40] <brainwash_> other than bad configuration
[18:40]  * elfy neither - hence the question :p
[18:41] <brainwash_> ok, lets wait for an answer then
[18:41] <elfy> :)
[19:23] <ochosi> elfy: did you start the light-locker process? (or make sure it's running)
[19:23] <ochosi> since it's just been added to the seed, i'm not sure whether that's already part of dailies
[19:23] <ochosi> so it wasn't launched by default yet in live sessions
[19:39] <brainwash_> ochosi: should we also copy the new parameter descriptions? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/view/head:/data/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[19:39] <brainwash_> -> https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/greeter-conf
[19:40] <brainwash_> show-language-selector is now obsolete
[19:48] <Unit193> ochosi: It's started on boot.
[19:49] <Unit193> elfy: I booted the live iso, then called light-locker-command -l  to lock, and it worked.  Did you perhaps do something differently?
[19:51] <Unit193> Ah, xflock won't work because xscreensaver is running and that has priority over lighty.
[19:53] <elfy> ok - so it's just not all set up properly yet - that's all I needed to know :)
[19:53] <Unit193> (When xflock4 was patched, it wasn't added as an alternate dep to xfce4-session, so both xubuntu-desktop and xfce4-session would pull it in.)
[19:54] <Unit193> elfy: You can still call  light-locker-command -l  directly. :P
[19:54] <elfy> yes - but I'm after having the testcase as it would be if you didn't have to muck about 
[19:54] <elfy> which is just using it :)
[19:55] <brainwash_> Unit193: will xscreensaver get automatically removed when people upgrade to 14.04?
[19:56] <Unit193> It's on the daily image now even.
[19:56] <brainwash_> maybe we should let xflock4 check for light-locker first, because it's the new default
[19:58] <jjfrv8> Unit193, I just got it :D
[19:59] <Unit193> Got it?
[20:00] <jjfrv8> You were referring to my RedmondXP WM theme
[20:00] <Unit193> Haha!  Yes, yes I was. :P
[20:00] <jjfrv8> I'm not slow or anything, am I?
[20:02]  * Unit193 didn't say anything!
[20:02] <Unit193> http://unit193.ninth.su/xplike.png Done something like that.
[20:03] <jjfrv8> :)
[21:06] <elfy> lderan ochosi - had a quick check of light-locker-settings earlier - set the blank screen to 1 minute, it didn't seem to change from the 10 
[21:22] <ochosi> elfy: did you hit apply after changing the value?
[21:23] <ochosi> elfy: and did you check the timeout with "xset q | grep timeout" ?
[21:23] <elfy> timeout:  60    cycle:  600
[21:23] <elfy> and yes I hit apply - if I open it again - it is set to 1 minute
[21:23] <ochosi> 60 = 1min
[21:24] <ochosi> "set the blank screen to 1 minute, it didn't seem to change from the 10"
[21:24] <ochosi> so it's fine?
[21:25] <elfy> if I set blank screen to 1 minute - should it not do that when locked?
[21:25] <ochosi> ?
[21:25] <ochosi> sorry, that's a question i don't get
[21:26] <Unit193> With that set, shouldn't it blank after one minute when locked?
[21:26] <ochosi> sry, gotta go now, hopefully someone else can help you out or you're still around when i get back
[21:26] <ochosi> when locked?
[21:26] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/294014
[21:26] <elfy> I'm off too 
[21:26] <ochosi> elfy: 
[21:26] <ochosi> lock after screensaver is disabled for you
[21:26] <ochosi> so why/how should it lock?
[21:27] <ochosi> anyway, i'm confused
[21:27] <ochosi> and i gotta go
[21:27] <ochosi> bbl
[21:27] <elfy> ok - so this is not anything to do with the screen blanking when screen is locked?
[21:27] <elfy> I'll look in the morning 
[21:27] <elfy> night all
[21:29] <Unit193> ochosi: How I understand it, call  light-locker-command -l, wait a minute, screen isn't set to blank.
[21:52] <lderan> Unit193, the top slider controls when the screensaver will kick in. then lightlocker will lock depending if its set to or not.
[22:12] <brainwash_> lderan: light-locker-settings disables light-locker by writing "Exec=" to the desktop file?
[22:14] <Unit193> Hidden=true might be better, no?
[22:15] <brainwash_> exactly
[22:19] <brainwash_> and -settings should be able to kill light-locker and/or execute the .desktop file, restarting the session to apply changes seems to be overkill
[22:20] <brainwash_> but I like what I see, maybe I can contribute too :)
[22:21] <lderan> \o/
[22:24] <lderan> brainwash_, i will check with ochosi about the blank exec= override the default light-locker autostart .desktop file
[22:26] <brainwash_> using Hidden= would make it compatible with the settings manager (session and startup)
[22:30] <lderan> will make it do :)
[22:30] <lderan> so*
[22:31] <knome> +1 for Hidden=
[22:31] <brainwash_> thanks
[22:31] <Unit193> knome!
[22:31] <knome> Unit193!
[22:33] <lderan> knome & Unit193!
[22:33] <knome> lderan!
[22:33] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:43] <Unit193> knome: I changed it to an appendix, happy?
[22:44] <knome> Unit193, nnnniice
[22:44] <Unit193> Nope, you still won't like it: https://unit193.net/xubuntu-testing/desktop-guide/  :P
[22:45] <knome> it's better like that
[22:45] <knome> need to reconsider the style for "Behind the scenes" (maybe a header?) but otherwise good
[22:52] <Unit193> F5
[22:58] <knome> looks better
[22:58] <knome> now reconsider the settings manager style :P
[22:59] <Unit193> Well, it's a footnote, not background stuff at all, hardly needs to be seperated from the main list.
[23:00] <Unit193> Also, did you want to add anymore?
[23:09] <knome> i would probably add a "how to check dependencies for a package" section
[23:09] <knome> and i would still consider the formatting for the first table
[23:10] <knome> but you can leave that to me
[23:10] <Unit193> Sure, I'll leave the "How to check deps" and formatting to you. :D
[23:11] <knome> bah
[23:11] <slickymaster> hey knome 
[23:11] <knome> hello slickymaster 
[23:11] <slickymaster> saw in the logs that you and jjfrv8 were working on the slideshow
[23:11] <knome> only very slightly
[23:11] <slickymaster> anything I can do?
[23:12] <knome> if you have ideas how to improve the slideshow, sure
[23:12] <knome> basically, i'd like a more "vibrant" slideshow
[23:12] <knome> and not so appliation-centric
[23:12] <knome> +c
[23:12] <slickymaster> without any kind of markting speech
[23:12] <slickymaster> marketing ^^
[23:13] <slickymaster> through out the entire slideshow?
[23:13] <knome> yep
[23:13] <knome> because we can expect the user to be ready to test xubuntu at that point
[23:13] <knome> and we should show them the best sides
[23:13] <slickymaster> hm I see what you're after
[23:13] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/
[23:13] <pleia2> put it on the social medias too
[23:14] <slickymaster> hey pleia2 o/
[23:14] <pleia2> hi there slickymaster :)
[23:15] <slickymaster> i see I have to translate it into portguese
[23:15] <slickymaster> portuguese  
[23:16] <pleia2> slickymaster: someone did, but they never uploaded it to spreadubuntu and I can't give attribution :] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu/Activities#Xubuntu_Flyer
[23:17] <pleia2> so I haven't linked it, if you want to do it again and upload it to SU that'd be lovely
[23:17] <pleia2> no idea where it came from, looks like someone just shared the random ubuntuone link directly with someone on the startubuntu team
[23:18] <slickymaster> how do I go about tranlating it pleia2?
[23:18] <slickymaster> is there a file somewhere to be downloaded?
[23:19] <slickymaster> over at http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-us-letter I only see a pdf, a png and a svg file
[23:20] <pleia2> slickymaster: svg is what you want, that's the source file
[23:20] <pleia2> can edit in inkscape, then export to png and pdf
[23:20] <pleia2> then upload all three
[23:20] <slickymaster> I no, nevermind me 
[23:20] <pleia2> ok :)
[23:20] <slickymaster> I must still be quite numb from the dentist early this morning
[23:21] <Unit193> knome: Happy now?
[23:21] <knome> slickymaster, make sure you ahve the font 'open sans' installed
[23:22] <slickymaster> as a matter of fact, I don't have it in my laptop
[23:22] <slickymaster> I'll have to work on it tommorrow at my box over at work
[23:23] <knome> Unit193, not really.. but you an leave it to me ;)
[23:23] <knome> +c
[23:23] <Unit193> Bleh, sounds like a plan.
[23:23] <knome> i need to replace my keyboard some day
[23:23] <Unit193> (I sorted the list this time.)
[23:24] <knome> i see
[23:25] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/WSlRVNMHHIQpWSE2r4vr - http://paste.openstack.org/show/iU3bfiPifiRSIZKVCtWq
[23:25] <knome> Unit193, where's the merge proposal?
[23:25] <Unit193> In /dev/null, it's not complete.
[23:26] <knome> okay, i'll look at that when you have a MP incoming
[23:26] <Unit193> ...So I'm supposed to merge something I know isn't right? :/
[23:26] <knome> yep, that's fine.
[23:27] <knome> i'll make sure i fix it before i merge it back to main
[23:27] <Unit193> :/
[23:27] <Unit193> Well, are you good with the name of the file at least?
[23:29] <knome> looks fine
[23:33] <Unit193> lp:~unit193/xubuntu-docs/new-appendix
[23:33] <knome> ta,
[23:33] <knome> i'll take a look at it tomorrow
[23:33] <knome> (preparing to go to sleep soon)
[23:34] <Unit193> Sure, taking a look at the linguas merge too?
[23:34] <slickymaster> knome: before you go just one thing
[23:34] <slickymaster> the name of the font is just 'open sans'?
[23:34] <knome> slickymaster, yep?
[23:34] <slickymaster> nothing else?
[23:35] <knome> slickymaster, yep
[23:35] <knome> Unit193, it'd good to me, but did you want some code review for it?
[23:35]  * slickymaster has to deepen his knowledge on fonts
[23:36] <Unit193> knome: Well, know who can do that?
[23:37] <knome> Unit193, yes, but i don't have the answer to "who would do that"
[23:37] <Unit193> Heh, that.
[23:37] <knome> i can look at it if you want
[23:38] <Unit193> desktop-guide/Makefile and scripts/translate.sh need the most, but second should be just fine.  I've got the second half staged already too.
[23:39] <Unit193> Anyway, forget for now, ping tomorrow when you're in the mood for it. :P
[23:39] <knome> Unit193, will do
[23:40] <Unit193> (Second half does add a missed "exit" to translate.sh though.)
[23:50] <knome> i'm off to bed. see you all tomorrow
[23:50] <slickymaster> nighty knome 
[23:56] <bluesabre> I was thinking that we did not include light-locker on 'live', only on 'desktop'