[01:50] About to install 14.04 xubuntu alpha 2 [01:51] nikolam recommended I install & help test it then report. Was wondering how would I report about my use of xubuntu 14.04? I'm assuming there's some thing already in it for doing that? [01:52] You'd normally report to the QA tracker, though the testing for A2 is done, you'd likely test a daily. [01:53] Unit isn't there a launchpad for it? [01:53] Unit193 ^^^^^^^^ [01:53] A launchpad? [01:53] !daily [01:53] Daily builds of the CD images for the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ [01:54] ah ok [01:54] sorry [01:54] Also a qa tracker, never can remember the address. [01:54] Sure, no problem. [01:54] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [01:54] that's the site where you report your results [01:54] That's the one. [01:54] "Now is it iso.qa, qa.iso, or something entirely different?" [01:55] Unit193, think logically. [01:55] ubuntu.com is the main domain. [01:55] qa. is the team [01:55] iso. is the subject [01:56] knome: But add an https in front of that, confusion. [01:57] i always access thsoe urls without the protocol, works [01:59] hi [02:00] italian?? [02:00] !it | diavoletto85 [02:00] diavoletto85: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [02:01] can you help me?? [02:32] hello [02:32] I am a returning Xubuntu user and I have some questions [02:33] I run Ubuntu 13.10 on a Lenovo Netbook with 200GB of memory and 512mb of ram. I installed XCFE through the terminal [02:34] sudo apt-get install xfce4 ? or "xubuntu-desktop" ? [02:34] Sudo aptget install XCFE4 [02:34] I want to become an Xubuntu user. [02:35] ok.. its free today ;) enjoy it! [02:35] but I want to know if this is an official way or do I have to reinstall my OS. [02:35] isn't it always free? [02:35] :3 [02:35] Kekai: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. [02:36] im looking for lighter OS [02:36] you never "have to" do anything [02:36] if you want to insatll stock xubuntu, youcan. but it uses the same repositories (osftware sources) you are using now [02:36] I was gonna get rid of unity anways [02:37] xubuntu *is* ubuntu with the xfce desktop environment.. you can install xubuntu-desktop if you like, and have the complete look/feel, but there really is no reason to get rid of anything [02:37] just I didnt know if I should wipe my HDD [02:37] its because Ubuntu is beig a ram hog [02:38] could be 3d related.. unity is not in xfce or xubuntu [02:43] I kno [02:43] I dont want unity [02:43] I want XCFE [02:43] Kekai: then, enjoy it, since you have it installed.. you can select xfce from login [02:44] BBL [03:11] My wifi indicator is alway showing reconnecting [03:12] It started this after I started up Xubuntu [03:12] Kekai: you installed xubuntu? [03:12] Kekai: i thought you just isntalled xfce4? [03:12] I installed the Xubuntu desktop [03:17] Kekai: so, back when you had only installed xfce4, everything was fine.. you install "xubuntu-desktop" and now you are not connecting to wifi? [03:31] hi, I know there are other places for reporting bugs and thats stuff [03:31] But im having trobule with all the newest linux distros on my pc [03:31] including xubuntu [03:31] !bug | xubuntu538 is where/how to report [03:32] xubuntu538 is where/how to report: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [03:32] suddenly im gettin a screen with horizontal bars [03:32] and is freezes [03:32] and it freezes**** [03:32] xubuntu538: what grahpics hardware? have you tried the vesa driver? [03:33] they are nvidia i dont remember the model [03:33] the ones integrated in the mobo [03:33] they? [03:33] xubuntu538: did the machines come with linux? or windows? [03:34] im sorry Im not in my best english momment [03:34] xubuntu538: you will need the graphics card information, since you are responsible for providing the linux support for the machines [03:34] !nvidia | xubuntu538 is what i referece [03:34] xubuntu538 is what i referece: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [03:34] xubuntu538: i can get you to a channel in your native language if you like [03:35] Do you think the trouble im having is because of the graphics hardware? [03:35] xubuntu538: yes [03:36] Is it a common trouble? You know having this "freezing" with the horizontal bars [03:36] xubuntu538: no [03:36] xubuntu538: its not "common" per se [03:37] xubuntu538: what graphics drivers have you tried? [03:37] I though so, because when i google it i didnt find anything [03:37] xubuntu538: you are likely searching incorrectly [03:37] just some guy with the same screen when he used firefox [03:37] wel maybe, i know the comuunity is large [03:38] xubuntu538: you will try the proprietary driver [03:38] !nvidia | xubuntu538 will tell you how [03:38] xubuntu538 will tell you how: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [03:38] and im not a programmer or an it guy, but Im been using linux ( ubuntu) since 2009 [03:39] and this is the first time i dont find a solution [03:39] xubuntu538: have you tried the proprietary driver? [03:39] no i dont [03:40] I saw the option it gives me to use that kind of drivers [03:41] xubuntu538: thats is what you should try to solve your issue [03:41] Just installed 14.04 alpha 2 [03:41] i just downloaded the open suse 13.1 and it gives me the same screen [03:41] well downloaded and installed [03:41] xubuntu538: with *any* linux, you will need the driver to suport your hardware [03:41] xubuntu538: it is not allowed to be released by default [03:42] Go to the additional drivers sections in settings manger & try one of the drivers. Restart when you change it. [03:42] xubuntu538: you will add it after installing [03:42] yeah thanks im going to try that [03:42] because i know is not something wrong with the hardware because the ubuntu 10.10 works fine [03:43] xubuntu538: 10.10 doesnt require 3d.. gnome3 requires 3d.. as does unity [03:43] but xubuntu doesnt need 3d [03:43] isnt it? [03:43] Why are you on 10.10? [03:44] xubuntu538: please try the proprietary driver [03:44] nono im not in 1010 , I installed 10.10 to try the hardware [03:44] yes, i will, right now im finishing the installation ob the latest cubuntu [03:44] xubuntu*** [03:45] Okay, any reason you picked 10.10 over the higher releases? You are referring to Xubuntu version 10.10 and not driver version right? [03:45] I picked that because it is the last linux distro that i ever installed on this pc [03:46] then i installed windows and now I wanted to return to linux [03:46] xubuntu538: you have 13.10? [03:46] yes i do [03:46] 12.04 lts perhaps maybe a better choice. 14.04 comes out April I believe. Is this an old machine you're running & what's the graphics card again? [03:47] is not too old [03:47] it is from 2009 [03:47] it has an amd phenom with 8 cores [03:47] sorry 4** [03:48] Said graphics not cpu [03:48] i know i told you about the cpu to let you estimate the age of my pc [03:49] And i dont know the model i just know it is nvidia [03:50] Wouldn't think nvidia would have many problems running on ubuntu/xubuntu. Supposed to be supported well from what I heard. I'm using AMD & it's a bit rubbish [03:50] xubuntu538: the link i gave shows you how to tell what grahpics hardware you have [03:51] the open drivers can be problematic.. [03:51] What is the way to see your system info in xubuntu again I forget? [03:51] even the proprietary ones can be as well.. though, with steam and other commercial endevours, support seems to be steadily improving [03:52] i use "lspci" in the terminal.. [03:54] 14.04 xubuntu, when you drag the windows to the top of the screen, it doesn't maximise it to the entire screen, it goes only half way vertically. [03:54] AussieDownUnder: be sure to use #ubuntu+1 [03:55] ? [03:55] !14.04 [03:55] Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+1 [03:55] Oh okay [03:55] cheers [03:57] Im sorry i had to leave the IRC [03:57] im the one with the freezing screen problem [03:58] and i Know the model of my graphics [03:58] Do you have your refresh rate set correctly? [03:59] it is the GeForce 7025 graphics [03:59] Are you 50hz refresh rate where you are or 60? In Aus we're on 60hz [03:59] i dont know [04:00] i guess its 60hz [04:00] im going to try the privative drivers [04:01] It says right know im using the noveau driver [04:01] What country are you in? [04:01] Im fron Costa Rica in Central America [04:01] from* [04:02] Get your monitor manual, see what refresh rate hz it's supposed to run at. Not sure if that's the problem but why not look at it anywa. [04:03] ahh I know that, my monitor needs to run at 60 [04:03] but know im in the section where i can change the driver of the graphic card [04:03] and I have 3 options [04:03] i dont know what is the best one [04:05] Im going to try the binary Xorg driver [04:14] Well im going to give ita try to the privative driver [04:14] thanks for your help [04:46] What's the go in xubuntu 14.04 with no option in the properties of a file to run it as an executable? [04:46] !trusty|AussieDownUnder, [04:46] AussieDownUnder,: Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+1 [05:24] In xubuntu, where can I set all the default applications? So far it only let's you set default web browser, mail, terminal & one other thing, [05:27] AussieDownUnder, you can set preferences for specific things like mplayer for videos, audacious for audio etc. the only global preferences I've seen are the ones you notes. [05:29] I have a question regarding trying to install linux on a 2002 acer laptop [05:29] what distribution? [05:30] You going to ask your question for us all to see? [05:31] i guess whatever works really. i tried xubuntu i think but the bios popped up during installation and told me i needed to update my firmware. i really dont want to do that so i thought if i installed a version of linux from that era then i wouldn't have to update the firmware. right??? [05:33] I don't think you want an old linux distribution from 2002 [05:33] I think lubuntu is designed to run on old laptops [05:33] How much ram does that laptop have? [05:35] AMD Sempron 448mb of RAM 1.8 GHz [05:35] Yep then you want the Alternate install from here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#Minimal_Install [05:36] The 32-bit Alternate install iso is probs for you. What pc are you on at the moment for talking on here? [05:36] AussieDownUnder, lubuntu is optimized for older/lower tech [05:37] cfhowlett, is a 2002 acer laptop with less than 500mbs ram not considered old tech? [05:38] AussieDownUnder, 2002 would be considered older tech I should say [05:38] im on a much newer acer laptop [05:38] cfhowlett, Yep lol, xubuntu122 is the one asking [05:39] xubuntu122, Does the 2002 acer's disc drive still work? [05:39] yes [05:39] AussieDownUnder, ah. right. sorry [05:39] xubuntu122, try lubuntu [05:39] and just boot it from disc? [05:40] xubuntu122, Cause you can burn the lubuntu to a disc or use another program to make a usb installer from the iso [05:41] xubuntu122, 2002 OS may not support USB boot [05:41] it doesnt ive already tried [05:41] xubuntu122, then make a bootable cd and go to town! [05:41] xubuntu122, And yeah if it's on disc you tell your laptop to boot off of the disc to begin the install & not the hard drive, same goes for if you put it on a usb stick (would probably be faster then a disc version) [05:42] xubuntu122, So you already tried booting lubuntu on a disc? [05:43] yeah, in the bios. I'll try lubuntu and hopefully it won't tell me to update my firmware, lol. [05:43] im on the website right now [05:44] xubuntu122, get the 32 bit version! [05:45] most definitly i will [05:45] xubuntu122, So say scenario you end up needing to update the firmware, I'm sure there's still documentation & downloads from acer somewhere for it, whether you need to update it from within the laptops o/s or there's a way to put the file on a usb I think you should just do it [05:45] okay, ive heard its not hard. i just didnt want to mess with it [05:47] xubuntu122, as long as you get the right firmware/bios update for your particular laptop model it should be fine. It also might include speed improvements. [05:47] should i choose a previous version or 13.10? [05:47] xubuntu122, you probably will have a firmware update or 2 due. It only hurts the first time. [05:48] lol [05:48] xubuntu122, well 12.04 has long term support. 13.10 is only supported for 6 months [05:50] cfhowlett, I read 12.04 became unsupported for lubuntu october last year. [05:51] AussieDownUnder, ah, right. I was thinking xubuntu. next Lubuntu will be LTS; 14.04 [05:51] cfhowlett, Apparently lubuntu don't offer long term support versions from what I've seen. I reckon just go 13.10 & upgrade to 14.04 if they even decide to release 14.04 for lubuntu [05:51] xubuntu122, that said, go with 13.10 [05:51] xubuntu122, yeah you should be in the #lubuntu channel to be honest lol [05:52] okay, ill give it a try and make sure i choose the 32bit [05:53] AussieDownUnder, thanks for correction [05:53] thank you for answering my questions! im out! [05:54] xubuntu122, One more thing before you go, what program are you using to burn the iso to disc? [05:55] xubuntu122, P.S I'll linger on the #lubuntu channel in case you get stuck. I've installed a few distributions myself to probably be able to further help. [05:56] i cant remember but i thought it was the same one they recommended on the website. burn image to disc using windows something or other [05:56] xubuntu122, install unetbootin on whatever OS you're running and make your CD [05:58] xubuntu122, if you're on windows I jsut use astroburn lite to burn iso [05:58] xubuntu122, it's free & works. [06:00] windows disc image burner is what i used [06:01] xubuntu122, okay well as long as it works that's all you need. Maybe if you ran "dxdiag" (without the quotation marks) in windows & gave me the info it brings up I may be able to help find the firmware for that laptop. [06:03] I think it's great in the Ubuntu.Debian distros that there's so many software source mirrors to choose from, I get to download my updates unmetered as well as a heap of debian distro iso's [06:25] is there any one that can help me [06:25] ? [06:26] !ask|jumnel, [06:26] jumnel,: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [06:29] I just set up my rig a few days ago. And I'm having trouble with playing dvds. There is awful glowing where light hits the actors. Can any help? [06:31] jumnel, stop watching jj abrams films [06:31] ? [06:32] Hah. [06:32] jumnel, gpu driver settings? [06:34] That's the thing, I can put the computer together and install os and update it, setting up the gpu that I'm not sure how to. I think it's mostly defaults. [06:39] I looked back at the gpu settings. I have messed around a little with them without it helping. [06:40] jumnel, ask over in the main channel. #ubuntu [06:41] sounds like a contrast setting [06:43] how do I change that setting? [06:44] you're crossposting jumnel [06:44] ? [06:45] !crosspost | jumnel [06:45] jumnel: Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support. [06:46] Oops. I new here and somebody suggested using the main channel. I apologize. I'll just post here. [06:48] http://www.keyxl.com/aaa2fa5/302/MPlayer-keyboard-shortcuts.htm jumnel [06:48] scroll down for "adjust contrast" [06:53] I'm using vlc. [06:54] and have you tried mplayer [06:55] No not yet. Never heard of it until now. I also just found the contrast setting for my gpu and tweeking it made it worse. [06:55] https://wiki.videolan.org/Change_the_brightness_or_contrast_of_a_video/ jumnel [07:03] No contrast tweeking doesn't work. :( [07:15] I got to go. I guess I'll check back tomorrow. [09:03] Anyone here use the btrfs for their hard drives? === jackson is now known as Guest13784 [09:40] Hello everyone. Just installed the latest Xubuntu 12.04 LTS. But no prop. drivers are available? Is this correct? In previous version I could install an ATI driver for my gfxcard. [09:56] Does anyone know if that cross platform ubuntu stuff for mobiles, tablets & pc's will be compatible with xbuntu? So say I have xubuntu on my pc & a tablet, mobile with ubuntu will they go together. Or does anyone think there'll be derivative distrubutions of ubuntu for mobile? [09:58] pjotter, There should be drivers. Settings Manager - Additional Drivers, let it load & usually there's like 3 drivers to pick from. I'm on an AMD 6700hd card & that's what I get. [09:59] I tried. The screen remains blank. It used to gove three options or so. I know. But now they're all gone. [09:59] I installed the latest Xubuntu AMD 12.04-4 LTS [10:04] done the updates? [10:05] Yes [10:05] Complete clean install [10:06] Maybe I should revert back to 12.04-3 That version had no problems finfing the prop . drivers. [10:06] Go set your software source to download from the closest mirror to you. Then in a terminal run "sudo apt-get update" [10:06] Then restart, then go force updates. Probs could pick things up [10:06] I'm no pro btw lol. [10:07] Man 2 months & 14.04lts is out, you're mad fresh installing another 12.04 release [10:07] I'm currently in 14.04 daily [10:08] Works good so far. [10:08] Great. I stick to the LTS versions. In a few months there will be e new one too. :) [10:08] the point versions are just updated installation disks [10:08] the point of LTS is to not need to reinstall every few months [10:09] I know. That's why I find it so strange that all over sudden the prop drivers have disappeared. [10:09] I'll try installing 12.04-3 and update that one. [10:09] Forgot about that. So he would of been on 12.04.4 anyway because it would of updated itself but he thought he needed to install from the iso again lol? [10:11] well, they update the backported kernel and xorg versions but you might as well use the original ones [11:01] * bear- [12:04] so I'm stuck. My Xubuntu installation is doing a login loop. the lightdm greeter loads up, I try and login, and I get booted back to the greeter. [12:04] .Xauthority permissions are fine [12:05] hard drive isn't totally full [12:14] SirLagz: have you tried clearing the .cache folder? [12:14] baizon: no. I'll try that thanks [12:15] baizon: nope, that didn't work [12:39] so i cleared up some more space. just in case. still can't login [12:39] I can login to openbox though, so it must be something to do with xfce [12:40] or lightdm I guess === Pici` is now known as Pici [14:38] hello - looking to map key settings on xubuntu 12.04 [14:38] where should i start - do I need to do it via terminal? [14:43] hi, can you see previous chat log? [14:43] for my question [14:44] xubuntu820: please give an example [14:44] i'm trying to map keys that I don't use (on thinkpad t41 they have pg right/left on either side of the UP arrow) [14:45] i want to map them to pg up/down instead [14:45] also don't have a windows key [14:45] so it would be nice to map something for super [14:45] I've seen directions for ubuntu [14:45] but not xubuntu installs [14:45] sorry noob with linux... [14:48] you still out there baizon [14:50] xubuntu820: yes yes [14:50] do you know how to do that? [14:53] xubuntu820: you mean the FN key? [14:54] no [14:54] i don't want to remap that key [14:54] xubuntu820: or do you mean this http://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=XFCE:Making_Keyboard_Shortcuts_for_Frequently_Used_Applications [14:54] !find keymap [14:54] Found: keymapper, qemu-keymaps, console-data, lxkeymap [14:54] !search keymap [14:54] Found: [14:54] mmm [14:54] on google? [14:54] !keymapper [14:54] no [14:54] is that a program [14:55] yes i guess [14:55] sorry, noob [14:55] !info keymapper [14:55] keymapper (source: keymapper): Keyboard map decision tree builder and interpreter. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.3-10.1build1 (saucy), package size 44 kB, installed size 206 kB [14:55] !info lxkeymap [14:55] lxkeymap (source: lxkeymap): Application that allows to easily switch between keyboard layouts. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.0~bzr25+repack-0ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 128 kB, installed size 314 kB [14:55] so under synaptic package manager [14:55] search keymap [14:55] ? [14:56] xubuntu820, it should be available on usc, synaptic or apt-get, its in the sources [14:56] I see, thanks [14:56] i'll search for keymap [15:05] so dumb question, how do I launch the program/package after install if it isn't under applications? [15:11] xubuntu820: yes it should [15:12] xubuntu820: or in the settings manager [15:12] Hi, having some UEFI installation issues with 13.10 (dual boot with pre-installed win 8) [15:12] can anyone help me? [15:12] d1390: and the issue is? [15:13] I've set up all my firmware and managed to boot into grub but after choosing try or install I just get a black screen [15:13] sooo, baizon, if I can't find it under settings manager or applications, but it shows as installed in synaptic... [15:14] xubuntu820: then lauch it from command line [15:15] d1390: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 [15:16] d1390: try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/148717/how-do-i-boot-into-the-console-and-then-launch-the-ubuntu-desktop-from-it [15:17] got it, thanks [15:17] i'm retarded [15:17] xubuntu820: no, youre not :) [16:46] Hello everyone [16:47] Someone here who can help me? [16:47] !someone | xubuntu798 [16:47] xubuntu798: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [16:48] I need to install new drivers, but i don't know what kind of drivers? [16:49] can you try to be more elaborate: what drivers and why do you think you need them? [16:49] I'm making a cryptocurrency miner, but i don't know anything about it. Normaly my friend helps me but he's on vacation [16:50] okay... i'm still unsure what your problem is [16:50] He said i need to go to the amd website and install the newest ubuntu drivers [16:51] but i don't know where i can find the right driver [16:51] i have a sapphire hd 7950 graphics card [16:51] we encourage the use of drivers from the software repositories [16:52] we encourage the use of drivers from the software repositories [16:53] ow i'm sorry [16:53] amd-catalyst-13.12-linux-x86.x86_64 [16:53] First i tried to install this but it said that my graphics adapter is not supported by this driver [16:54] do you know what's wrong? [16:55] #ubuntu === dormito_ is now known as dormito [18:41] Hey, I have a 24GB SSD, and 120GB HDD. What is the best way to install Xubuntu on it? [18:42] How should I divide the partitions etc === jwkokc is now known as jk_ [18:46] [ elliott-smith [18:52] hi ... [18:55] someone235, i would have the 24GB drive as "/" formatted as EXT4 and the 120GB HDD as /home (ext4) for swap, you would get better performance with it on the SSD, but your SSD will live longer if you put the SWAP on the 120 GB mechanical HDD [19:02] [ elliott-smith ]] === map is now known as Guest66233 [19:32] Having trouble installing.. have all green checked for HD space, power source, internet. Can run live session as well. Hangs on Continue, second dot in progress bar. [19:32] so i have this problem when i run apt-get update http://paste.ubuntu.com/6950579/ [19:32] how can i fix it? [19:41] asd_: The only ways are to either wait until the author of that PPA in question provides a valid package list. or by removing that PPA as well as all packages that were installed from there. [19:41] Meanwhile, you can just ignore that error. [19:44] /win 3 [19:52] Hey, I've installed Xubuntu on ASUS PC with EFI, and now I can't boot from the OS. Someone knows how can I boot with EFI? [21:10] is there a way to start xfce4-manager minimized? [21:21] Hi, came by earler today looking for help installing Xubuntu 13.10 with UEFI and still haven't solved it, is anyone around to help? [21:23] koegs: xfce4-manager? Anyway, devilspie could do it for you. [21:24] d1390: What was the problem exactly? [21:24] !uefi [21:24] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [21:24] (Just in case.) [21:26] Unit193: xfce4-taskmanager :) [21:27] but you are right, devilspie could do the job [21:27] Ah, that was my guess as it made more sense than xfce4-settings-manager. :P [21:27] Problem is I get black screen after selecting install or try [21:27] tried adding nomodeset by pressing e and changing the setparams but no luck [21:28] also tried replacing the quiet splash option for text to try and start x separetly but the black screen persists [21:28] the screen's backlight is on, it just isn't displaying anything [21:34] Managed to getting working by changing boot setting to legacy, if I install like this will my preinstalled windows still run? [21:35] Both operating systems must be installed in either legacy or UEFI. [21:36] ok, back to start then. At least I know it's not my live usb key and it does seem to be a graphics thing [21:36] will keep trying [21:40] I presume you can't re-install Windows? [21:54] I'd need to talk to the IT people in my office, it's a work machine [21:55] (and unfortunately they're note very good with computers) [21:55] (i.e. one of them asked how I'm running Mac on a PC when he saw my Unity desktop) [22:05] hi [22:05] hello there [22:05] Trying to get used t Xubuntu's GUI is meh [22:06] anyway I can custmize it without making it a powerhouse? [22:16] why not pick a DE that suits your needs and go from there? [22:17] Xcfe and LDE suit my needs [22:17] didn't sound like it [22:18] Ubuntu and Kubuntu have gotten from light to Power hungry [22:18] the latest unity DE needs 512mb [22:18] I only have 512mb of ram [22:18] it freezes [22:18] its slow [22:19] still not sure what your issue with xfce is? [22:19] just graphic [22:23] the only thing that worries about luuntu is that there isnt an LTS version of it [22:24] so i would have to upgrade alot [22:54]