[00:00] <DonkeyHotei> i notice there are daily-live builds for trusty
[00:01] <shadeslayer> Give them a go, but like I said, no one really maintains the package
[00:02] <DonkeyHotei> i wouldn't expect an unreleased daily-live to work
[00:02] <shadeslayer> but if it does .... :)
[00:03] <keithzg_> Active is under such . . . err . . . active development that it wouldn't even be entirely surprising if it works better just simply by virtue of using newer packages.
[00:04] <shadeslayer> well, backporting cmake was a fruitless excercise
[00:04]  * keithzg_ was meaning to try it on my Nexus 7 before it broke while tripping over housemate's cat, sigh.
[00:05] <shadeslayer> DonkeyHotei: I'd say just try out regular KDE4
[00:05] <shadeslayer> and customize to your needs
[00:05] <DonkeyHotei> remind me to tell people not to get a nexus 7
[00:06] <DonkeyHotei> regular kde4 does not give me the impression of being touch-friendly
[00:06] <keithzg_> DonkeyHotei: You can't anymore though, unless it's the 2013 model you're trying it on, in which case the drivers in *buntu aren't necessarily even expected to work AFAIK.
[00:13]  * shadeslayer heads to bed
[00:39] <manchicken> Any kdevelop experts around?
[00:42] <manchicken> I'm having a hell of a time getting build configs to work.
[01:15] <manchicken> Does anybody really use kdevelop? Am I the only one resisting Qt Creator?
[01:17] <tsimpson> everyone resists using creator... until they try it
[01:49] <manchicken> Well I'll try to get it set up in Creator then. Its build settings seem far more flexible.
[03:50] <manchicken> This is just insane... my CMakeCache.txt shows that I'm going to the correct $HOME/local path for the headers, but it's still pulling the wrong header.
[04:03] <manchicken> Booya
[04:03] <manchicken> Turns out it was only accidentally finding the QAPT includes!
[04:03] <manchicken> They weren't in the include path for CMakeLists.txt
[04:24] <manchicken> I hate it when you spend like four hours troubleshooting build problems that - once resolved - only amount to a single line changed in a build config.
[04:24] <manchicken> Either way, I'm done for the day. I'll catch you guys on the flip-side.
[05:10]  * ahoneybun installing Arch Linux is a lot harder then it used to be
[09:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what's the attraction of arch linux? I've yet to try it
[10:30] <ronnoc> FYI link in the ISO testing page to download the current i386 Kubutnu test build is broken: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61647/downloads
[10:31] <Riddell> ronnoc: that's probably for some old alpha, make sure you pick the daily test
[10:31] <Riddell> ronnoc: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/63051/downloads
[10:31] <ronnoc> hmmm ok thx
[10:32] <ronnoc> yepps I was on the Alpha 2 page
[10:37] <jussi> Riddell: I guess we should update the topic in here :D
[10:43] <jussi> this is strange... I seem to have an ubuntu session running at the same time as my kde session :/
[11:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thoughts about closing bug 975327
[11:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you know how to close all bugs related to a package via edit@bugs.launchpad.net  ?
[11:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah close it
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: see my question right after the bug 
[11:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that I've no idea
[11:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you have the bug number of the issue that needed intltool support?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> see trello
[11:40] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1234106
[11:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: would be nice to get this landed soon
[11:41] <Riddell> thanks, it's landed just not released
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: landed in the archive :)
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: anything on your radar that needs to happen before FF?
[11:48] <shadeslayer> huh, neat site http://pkgs.org/
[11:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: " I would prefer to use Ubuntu Trusty once it's released. It might lead to confusion if packages are available before "the masses" can install them."
[11:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from maintainer of screenshots.debian.net
[11:50] <lordievader> Awesome link shadeslayer :)
[11:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I want to check on owncloud, most other things are in
[11:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok, I plan on updating ktp today
[11:52] <shadeslayer> and making sure everything else is in
[11:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'll need someone to accept pam-kwallet
[11:53] <Riddell> I'm here for you
[11:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: however, we want to block that in proposed till 4.13 comes out
[11:54] <Riddell> is there a way to magically check ABI? (asks lamarque of nm)
[11:54] <Riddell> oh I wonder if plasma-media-centre needs an update too
[11:54] <shadeslayer> there's a abi checker tool
[11:54] <Riddell> where?
[11:54] <shadeslayer> abicheck - binary compatibility checking tool
[11:54] <shadeslayer> !info abicheck
[11:55] <shadeslayer> http://ispras.linuxbase.org/index.php/ABI_compliance_checker
[11:56] <shadeslayer> I thought 12.04.4 was out
[11:56] <Riddell> I did too
[11:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you going to review the l10n notifier? otherwise I'll write a test plan and upload
[11:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: where is it?
[11:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: to close all bugs you'll have to use the API to query all open bugs, or you manually compile a list
[11:59] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: lp:kubuntu-notification-helper and libkubuntu from git master
[11:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface#bug
[11:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: driver notifier is in there too
[11:59] <Riddell> groovy, will do in a bit
[11:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah
[12:00] <Riddell> ScottK: qscintilla2 approved, will you handle the rdepends?
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I guess he really thinks people litterally go to the site and search for stuff
[12:00]  * apachelogger calls reality for some additional information
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apparently I neglected to define requirements for the driver manager notifier
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it most definitely should not call qapt
[12:00] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: should call the KCM?
[12:03] <apachelogger> what should happen is: ask that python thing of yours to if there are prop drivers IFF there are then display event, if the user chooses to "Manage Drivers" or "Ignore Permantely" (or whatever it is called) you write it in a config file, IFF the user chose Manage you fire up the KCM and be done with it. IFF the config value is written you do not do any additional notification as we basically want the user to acknowledge the drivers business 
[12:03] <apachelogger> once and then not annoy him anymore
[12:03] <apachelogger> (in fact perhaps the config  should be written in /etc/ or something so that the message is also not triggered for all users)
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw how do I pass a scratch KDE repo to tarme?
[12:08] <apachelogger> you cannot
[12:08] <apachelogger> alex got all annoyed with me when I proposed that one should be able to define everything manually as well
[12:09] <shadeslayer> mmm
[12:09] <shadeslayer> fine then, I'll just do a git archive on Alex's pam module then
[12:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[12:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well it wouldn't have translations as a scratch anyway
[12:10] <apachelogger> so 90% of the usefulness of tarme goes away right there
[12:11] <apachelogger> the rest is archive cleanup which is not strictly necessary and can actually be done by git archive as well
[12:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, synpatiks is still in the archive also I failed to find a removal bug https://trello.com/c/AseQLII9
[12:25] <shadeslayer> oh hm
[12:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^
[12:26] <apachelogger> you still want to file a bug for reference
[12:26] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:27] <jarkko> what's the future of kubuntu's init system?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> systemd
[12:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptiks/+bug/1281564
[12:33] <jussi> Riddell: Riddell!!! amazing things are happening!!!!ELEVENTYONE!!!
[12:33] <apachelogger> the mailing list is now my private notes archive muhahaha
[12:34] <Riddell> jussi: pardon?
[12:34] <jussi> they are selling IRB BRU IN FINLAND!!!!
[12:34] <Riddell> hah :)
[12:34] <Riddell> I knew you couldn't live off Salmiaki forever
[12:34] <jussi> haha
[12:34] <jussi> its actually reasonably priced...
[12:35] <jussi> €23,90 for a 24 pack
[12:35] <jussi> (330ml)
[12:36] <apachelogger> reasonably priced and finland
[12:36]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[12:36] <jussi> hehe
[12:37] <Riddell> it's £1 for a 750ml bottle here with 30p return :)
[12:37] <Peace-> ah 14.04 unable to use opengl 
[12:37] <Peace-> :D
[12:37] <jussi> Riddell: sssh, right now Im feeling like Im getting a good deal :P
[12:37] <Peace-> damned ati
[12:37] <soee> Peace-: unable ?
[12:38] <Peace-> soee: kwin refuses to use opengl 
[12:38] <soee> propriety drivers ?
[12:38] <Peace-> open 
[12:38] <soee> ah :)
[12:38] <Peace-> just installed kubuntu 14.04
[12:38] <Peace-> so radeon  i guess right?
[12:43] <Peace-> installation => nice installation with wifi activated
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Peace-, ati graphics has become hit and miss on linux, unfortunately 
[12:47] <Peace-> BluesKaj: with  x.11.x kernel was fine 
[12:48] <BluesKaj> one has to experiment with different drivers, OpenGL settings and composting on most gpus/drivers, but ati seems more difficult now
[12:49] <apachelogger> "has become"
[12:49] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:49] <apachelogger> there used to be a time where ever second update to either fglrx or ati caused a kpanic
[12:50] <apachelogger> I think not having opengl is a somewhat resaonable point of failure in the devel series
[12:50] <BluesKaj> I recall when ati was easy to setup DIR and 3D on elcheapo ati onboard gpus 
[12:50] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, it's apita on 13.10 too
[12:51] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[12:51] <apachelogger> perhaps the lesson to be learned is use intel graphics?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> since amd purchased ati , linux support is spotty
[12:52] <apachelogger> jussi: postponing the activity for activites thing I am
[12:52] <jussi> apachelogger: yeah, do so, given the lack of upstream time atm
[12:52] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, yeah that's why i use nvidia and intel
[12:53]  * apachelogger really wonders what to do with the apport card :'<
[12:53] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: https://trello.com/c/0tn1vYPN did anyone ever get anywhere with this
[12:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't think anyone has looked at it
[12:57] <apachelogger> I think shadeslayer did
[12:58] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: are you around?
[12:58] <sgclark> Riddell: sonnet + email sent ready
[13:02] <Riddell> sgclark: cirkuit accepted into the archive!
[13:02] <sgclark> nice :)
[13:03] <Riddell> apt-cache search modemman
[13:03] <Riddell> tsk
[13:04] <sgclark> Riddell: did you see my email on my symbols error theory?
[13:04] <Riddell> sgclark: yes but still to read it properly, will do shortly
[13:04] <sgclark> ok no problem
[13:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you might want to comment https://trello.com/c/bmg4cNW9
[13:22] <sgclark> Riddell: threadweaver done, which finishes t1
[13:24] <Riddell> yay!
[13:25]  * apachelogger drops muon from desktop seed
[13:26] <Riddell> gosh
[13:27] <apachelogger> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64774-13-10-to-14-04
[13:27] <apachelogger> much horray.
[13:28] <Tm_T> much hooray, such wow?
[13:35] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6954433/
[13:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: did the foundations seed change or something
[13:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: platform seed it would be
[13:40] <Riddell> but I'm not sure where arches are defined in seeds
[13:41] <Riddell> remember you fixed kubuntu-desktop on arm64 ppc64el
[13:43] <apachelogger> yeah, but I updated after those
[13:43] <apachelogger> and there were no changes to our seed meanwhile, so the amount of movery there is supsicious
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Riddell: to be on the safe side could one of you please run a kubuntu-meta update as well, see if you get the same result
[13:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will do, later in the evening
[13:46] <apachelogger> -.-
[13:46] <apachelogger> that's litterally two commands
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: onto it
[13:47] <shadeslayer> fine ...
[13:48]  * Riddell had to install germinate so it's three commands
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: how can you live without germinate ^^
[14:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I actually don't see a way to get all the bugs for a source from the API
[14:01] <shadeslayer> https://api.launchpad.net/1.0.html#source_package < no bugs method
[14:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: I get the same, lots of removed from ppc64el
[14:02] <sgclark> Riddell: kconfig was ready last week but is still v4.95.0 in experimental
[14:03]  * Riddell fixes
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same here
[14:06] <Peace-> Riddell: can i ask one thing that i have never undesterstood of kde ? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/18/plasma-desktopS25595.png if i put here webcam up when i start pulse it just use the default internal mic 
[14:07] <Peace-> Riddell: it should not use instead the webcam mic ?
[14:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: source_package searchTasks() ?
[14:09] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[14:22] <sgclark> Riddell: any idea what is going on with these symbols? I am not getting these errors and updating symbols file results in exact same symbols file
[14:27] <Riddell> sgclark: I think it's just the weirdness of ABI symbols, for some reason they're suddenly different on amd64 than on i386
[14:28] <sgclark> Riddell: oh hmm, I do not have an i386, so not sure what I can do there
[14:29] <Riddell> sgclark: not much we can do except just upload to the PPA then fix when it breaks
[14:30] <Riddell> sgclark: download the buildlog and update the .symbols file for i386 with   pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 4.96.0 < buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kwidgetsaddons_4.96.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt
[14:30] <Riddell> sgclark: I've uploaded the ones which have failed so far
[14:30] <Riddell> (you can run   bzr update  to pull in the update)
[14:31] <sgclark> ok thank you
[14:38] <Riddell> sgclark: kimageformats has an even more spooky issue
[14:38] <Riddell> a test failure but only on i386
[14:39] <sgclark> right that jp2, I am stumped
[14:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: email to lp sent to close all synaptiks bugs
[14:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also, regarding proprietary drivers, I think notification should only be shown if the drivers are recommended and not installed
[14:47] <shadeslayer> consistency across KCM and event notifier then
[14:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually I think I would show it regardless
[14:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: talk to pitti though, I am reasonable certain he has a thought on when to show the notification
[14:56]  * Riddell updates kwidgetsaddons
[14:56] <sgclark> Riddell: pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: no valid patches found for kwidgetsaddons
[14:56] <sgclark> hah
[14:57] <sgclark> what directory do I need to run that in? Riddell
[14:57] <sgclark> for future reference
[14:58]  * apachelogger is off for the rest of the day
[15:00] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, have beer for me 
[15:00] <BluesKaj> a beer :)
[15:01] <Riddell> sgclark: same directory as has debian/
[15:01] <sgclark> Riddell: what I thought, weird
[15:03] <Riddell> testing from git on ec2 that kimageformats test fails on i386 but not on amd64
[15:04] <Riddell> 15:03 < ervin> and get ready for alpha 2 end of next week!
[15:04] <Riddell> gosh more kf5 to come
[15:05] <sgclark> Ugh not on Saturday again?
[15:06] <Riddell> dunno, whenever dfaure does it I guess
[15:07] <sgclark> Seems to fall on my weekends with hubby, I will try to sort out being there this round
[15:08] <sgclark> I am free this weekend lol
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you upload ktp from https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in another 40 mins
[15:10] <Riddell> what happens in 40 minutes?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> upgrade completes, I can confirm that nothing has broken :)
[15:11] <sgclark> Riddell: knotifications ready
[15:35] <sgclark> Riddell: kcompletion ready
[15:58] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!
[15:58] <sgclark> Riddell: not sure what I am doing wrong,  pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch does not seem to work for me
[15:59] <Riddell> sgclark: what are you running?
[15:59] <sgclark> pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 4.96.0 < ../buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.knotifications_4.96.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz  in the source folder
[16:00] <Riddell> sgclark: you need to gunzip the build logs
[16:00] <sgclark> ahhh got it thanks!
[16:00] <Riddell> sgclark: note I already did knotifications
[16:00] <sgclark> ok :)
[16:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ktp uploading..
[16:13] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:20] <sgclark> Riddell: kjobwidgets ready
[16:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you think we can drop jockey from Alpha 2
[16:23] <Riddell> not from alpha 2
[16:23] <Riddell> but from alpha 3 sure
[16:29] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:35] <jussi> apachelogger: should we have links to things like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation on the policy/kubuntu council page? 
[16:36] <Riddell> jr@wido:~/src/seeds/kubuntu.trusty>bzr commit -m "add kubuntu-driver-manager, remove jockey"
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ↑
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o/
[16:36] <jussi> Riddell: ++
[16:36] <jussi> kubotu: karma Riddell
[16:36] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 6
[16:36] <jussi> :D
[16:42] <sgclark> Riddell: kauth ready
[16:45] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm updating watch files to make them work
[16:46] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[16:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: for councl election I suggest "Nominations should be asked for at least two weeks in advance of the vote.  The vote should use the Condorcet Internet Voting Service and last two weeks."
[16:55] <Riddell> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Election_Process_.28.28TBD.29.29
[16:58] <Riddell> "Requirements: More than six months acitivty" that seems a bit harsh for kubuntu members
[17:00] <seaLne> are there any trusty images that have kernels that support non pae hardware? (pentium m)
[17:01] <sgclark> Riddell: kcrash ready
[17:02] <Riddell> seaLne: no i think non-pae was all dropped
[17:03] <seaLne> bah
[17:03] <Riddell> seaLne: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE suggests you need to use a 12.04 mini-iso as your best option
[17:03] <seaLne> ty
[17:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not convinced that ~kubuntu-packagers should be only ~kubuntu-members
[17:04] <Riddell> likewise ~kubuntu-ppa
[17:05] <DonkeyHotei> shadeslayer: i installed from the kubuntu-active daily-live of trusty into virtualbox, got the same black screen as the real install of saucy
[17:06] <shadeslayer> maybe Riddell has answers ^^
[17:11] <Riddell> DonkeyHotei: yeah it doesn't work
[17:11] <Riddell> fixes welcome
[17:12] <shadeslayer> I'd say poke active people with startactive logs
[17:14] <DonkeyHotei> i also tried the plasma active project's livecd under virtualbox, and the onscreen keyboard was buggered
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you look at KDE Workspace 4.11.6 in staging
[17:16] <shadeslayer> I have no clue how to fix it
[17:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm, so Alex's PAM module doesn't really install anything at the moment
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thoughts on how to proceed? We either don't do PAM support this cycle, or ship a empty package now and wait for 4.13 to land
[17:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: empty package!
[17:36] <Riddell> or we apply for a FFe
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we'll have to apply for a FFe for baloo right?
[17:36] <Riddell> and for the whole of 4.13
[17:36] <shadeslayer> I don't want to apply for a FFe :S
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah
[17:36] <shadeslayer> I /really/ don't want to deal with that
[17:37] <Riddell> gosh it's not hard, we even have irc interface to kubotu to file a bug for a new version :)
[17:37]  * dougl sees the folks in here are on a topic... will just think "good morning" to the channel
[17:38] <Riddell> gonnae fix the baloo daily builds in blue-shell-finder, those build failures are annoying
[17:38] <Riddell> morning dougl 
[17:38] <dougl> morning Riddell :)
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde workspace fixed?
[17:38] <Riddell> dougl: planning to become an elite kubuntu ninja?
[17:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on the todo!
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think kdepimlibs is out of date
[17:39] <shadeslayer> in Blue Shell
[17:39] <shadeslayer> I'll trigger a build
[17:39] <genii> FFe is Final Freeze exemption?
[17:39] <dougl> I wish... just planning on riding the coat tails of the better people in here and keep my eyes open for anything I can help with...
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Feature
[17:40]  * genii makes more coffee
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so, I'll upload an empty package somewhere
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe it'll be a good idea to file and get a FFe right now ? :P
[17:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go ahead :)
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/pam-kwallet_0.0%7Egit20140218-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:53] <shadeslayer> or well
[17:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ plz upload
[17:53] <shadeslayer> so Riddell can approve
[17:55] <wxl> can you guys suggest which file to edit to lock icons on the taskbar? i thought i had it figured out but ended up in a world of hurt
[17:57] <shadeslayer> wxl: support in #kubuntu plz
[17:57] <wxl> shadeslayer: hah they sent me here since they felt they couldn't handle scripting advice
[17:58] <wxl> there's a "lock widgets" option
[17:58] <wxl> that
[18:00] <wxl> it would be generally assumed that these scripts would be running when the user is logged out, i.e. they're sitting at the dm. does this scripting advice still apply?
[18:01] <wxl> shadeslayer: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/4.2#How_can_I_lock_the_positions_of_the_widgets.3F
[18:02] <shadeslayer> no, scripts are run at startup
[18:02] <shadeslayer> and only once
[18:02] <shadeslayer> and there are special scripts that are run on update
[18:02] <shadeslayer> on every KDE update that is
[18:02] <wxl> so then the scripting you refer to is of little value to me
[18:03] <shadeslayer> and by startup I mean whe you login
[18:03] <wxl> that being said, i'm looking for the file or files to edit
[18:03] <wxl> i've been pretty successful with most things but i haven't been able to decode what changes happen
[18:05] <shadeslayer> grep in ~/.kde/share/config
[18:06] <wxl> just to be clear, you don't know the answer?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:06] <wxl> because i've looked, but haven't found it
[18:07] <shadeslayer> wxl: maybe #plasma knows
[18:07] <wxl> thx
[18:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm this does all seem like a bit of a cheat to get round feature freeze
[18:09] <Riddell> I mean there isn't actually a feature in this empty package :)
[18:13] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I've already warned you before :p
[18:14] <sgclark> Riddell: kdnssd-framework ready
[18:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: misses licence information for cmake/modules/
[18:16] <shadeslayer> licensecheck didn't warn :S
[18:17] <Riddell> that's because it's not properly licenced
[18:17] <Riddell> it refers a file which doesn't exist
[18:17] <Riddell> tsk
[18:17] <Riddell> what's the upstream branch for this?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: git@git.kde.org:scratch/afiestas/pam-kwallet.git
[18:18] <shadeslayer> fun fun fun
[18:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: git updated, you can take a new snapshot
[18:22] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/pam-kwallet_0.0~git20140218.orig.tar.xz
[18:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm, got the rest too? :)
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: moment
[18:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/pam-kwallet_0.0~git20140218-0ubuntu1.dsc
[18:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did my reply to "are we set for feature freeze" come through on the list?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> not that I know of
[18:39] <sgclark> I don't see it
[18:39]  * Riddell sends again
[18:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did we package ktouchpadenabler ?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> I can't find it in the archives
[18:46] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:46] <shadeslayer> kde-workspace
[18:48] <Riddell> yes
[18:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: talk to kcm-touchpad upstream?
[18:48] <Riddell> file bugs?
[18:48] <Riddell> seems like an important issue, explains why Nim was so annoyed she couldn't use this computer last time she tried
[18:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I don't think it'll be possible since they both use X11 libs AFAIK
[19:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it 
[19:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it'll be possible
[19:01] <Riddell> if only by combining them
[19:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're asking about kde-workspace in staging for precise?
[19:02] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm it's not finding freetype
[19:08] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's something about the headers of freetype having been moved recently
[19:09] <yofel> that's trusty, not precise :/
[19:10] <yofel> And I only remember touching cmake to fix that...
[19:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: huh?
[19:11] <Riddell> cmake got fix_freetype_detection.diff recently to find the new include directory
[19:12] <Riddell> kde-workspace does build with that new cmake 2.8.12.2
[19:12] <yofel> shadeslayer: I mean the moving of freetype headers
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah it needs that patch removed from cmake in precise in staging PPA, want me to do that?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: go ahead
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how about checking if cmake backport isn't actually required
[19:13] <shadeslayer> that would help alot
[19:13] <Riddell> manchicken: need packaging done?
[19:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's at least nice to have for people developing on precise (which for some reason people do)
[19:15] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:27] <manchicken> Riddell: For libqapt that'd be nice.
[19:28] <manchicken> But I need to make some minor changes still after Harald's feedback.
[19:31]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=140
[19:31] <Riddell> manchicken: let me know when it's good to package
[19:31] <sgclark> Riddell: kdoctools ready, please note I had to patch it
[19:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer27.1 GiB (100.00%) of 24.0 GiB27.1 GiB (100.00%) of 24.0 GiB
[19:32] <Riddell> ahen
[19:33] <Riddell> "27.1 GiB (100.00%) of 24.0 GiB" backports repository full
[19:36] <dougl> how can you tell if something (plymouth) is supposed to be working yet?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :(
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you can clean out saucy
[19:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we can probably get by with using staging for now and copying over
[19:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:39] <shadeslayer> this was for backports?
[19:40] <Riddell> yeah
[19:40] <manchicken> Riddell: Okay, I'm going to try to make those changes Harald mentioned tonight or tomorrow.
[19:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: remind me where libkubuntu is again?
[19:43] <apachelogger> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Flibkubuntu.git
[19:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, this latest libkubuntu and kubuntu-notification-helper I get no notification on login if I have kde-l10n-engb uninstalled
[19:53] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[19:53] <apachelogger> I just thought of a bug in that department indeed
[19:53] <apachelogger> if it is your system language but not manually set in the KCM it will actually not be picked up
[19:53] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:54] <Riddell> system settings -> locale seems to take a very long time to start
[19:54] <apachelogger> ^ that's because the KCM has aaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllll the get-configured-languages logic inside itself rather than in a library that one could use
[19:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: xapian update
[19:54] <apachelogger> I guess(Tm)
[19:54] <apachelogger> you should get a progressbar though
[19:54] <Riddell> mm yes
[19:54] <Riddell> progress at 0%
[19:54] <apachelogger> curious
[19:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: if it is reproducible you might want to get a kdebug output
[19:56] <Riddell> here we go now
[19:58] <Riddell> oh but I do get an icon saying hardware support is incomplete
[19:58] <Riddell> and then when I click on it a kcm saying "your computer requires no proprietary drivers"
[19:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that all about? ↑
[19:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: in system settings -> country/region -> language if I add British English is disables the kcm widgets and doesn't do anything else
[20:00] <Riddell> this feels buggy :(
[20:00] <apachelogger> I think something is wrong with your qapt TBH
[20:00] <apachelogger> none of the GUI logic changed
[20:01] <Riddell> just the package 2.0.65-0ubuntu1
[20:01] <apachelogger> well, that is going to change, alas I am on master already
[20:01] <apachelogger> so maybe there's a bug somewhere in the packaged qapt ^^
[20:01] <apachelogger> who knows
[20:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdebugdialog enable all and mail me a debug log please
[20:02] <apachelogger> though knowing qapt it will be rather useless, but it should indicate whether the KCM does the right things
[20:02] <Riddell> sgclark: no patch in kdoctools
[20:02] <sgclark> Riddell: ki18n is ready which finishes up t2
[20:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, or something is locking apt
[20:03] <sgclark> Riddell: oh bet I forgot bzr add , one sec
[20:03] <apachelogger> that could also cause all of those issues
[20:03] <apachelogger> then again nothing but qaptworker should do that, so...
[20:03] <Riddell> I have /usr/share/apt-xapian-index/update-apt-xapian-index-dbus running but that shouldn't do it
[20:04] <apachelogger> hard to say without debuglog
[20:05] <sgclark> Riddell: patch added
[20:09] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded, tier 2 is in the bag!
[20:09] <sgclark> Nice :) 
[20:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/DEBUG
[20:11] <Riddell> output of running kcmshell4 language > DEBUG 2>&1  and trying to add British English which disables the kcm widgets
[20:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I learn so much about linux in arch
[20:14] <Riddell> hmm, is that a good thing?
[20:15] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I learned the lsblk command because of it
[20:15] <ahoneybun> lspci as well
[20:17] <Riddell> hmm, lsblk is a useful command
[20:20]  * ahoneybun is thinking of putting gnome on his archbook
[20:23]  * Riddell wanders off before his head explodes
[20:25] <ahoneybun> as a test
[20:25] <ahoneybun> just to try it out my main machine always will have kde
[20:31] <ahoneybun> are we testing baloo ?
[20:50] <ahoneybun> Riddell: are you really gone?
[20:50] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: are you on?
[20:52]  * dougl is counting the sleeps til april :)
[20:54] <ahoneybun> dougl: 14.04 is going to be a great release
[20:56] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: how do you like this theme http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/
[20:56] <dougl> ahoneybun, oh yeah - I am loving the alpha... I got all my splashes config... just waiting for plymouth then brand that and good to go!!!
[20:56] <ahoneybun> dougl: yea alpha 2 is pretty stable when I was testing it
[20:57] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: many lovely, so hot
[20:57] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: the menu animation is a bit over the top though
[20:57] <apachelogger> otherwise thumbs up
[20:57] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: I know right! anyway you think I could handle this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1208021?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: yea I know
[20:57] <dougl> ahoneybun, err does update/dist-upgrade take me to alpha2?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> dougl: should
[20:58] <ahoneybun> dougl: your on alpha 1?
[20:58] <dougl> ahoneybun, yeah I update every day... like christmas every day... I started with alpha1 but update daily
[20:59] <ahoneybun> alpha 2 has been out a bit
[20:59] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: do you use kde-telepathy
[21:00] <apachelogger> nope
[21:00] <apachelogger> when I go on some IM network people start spamming me all day ^^
[21:00] <ahoneybun> I think I cant log into my google chat because of my 2 step auth on my google account
[21:03] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: you'll want to talk to d_ed
[21:03] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: might be a bug
[21:06] <ahoneybun> anyone have linux installed on a mac?
[21:08] <dougl> ahoneybun, no... did not work on macbook
[21:08] <ahoneybun> dougl:  ok
[21:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will look at it tomorrow
[21:25] <Riddell> ahoneybun: what would happen if I wasn't gone?
[21:26] <ahoneybun> I want know what you think of http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/
[21:27] <Riddell> ahoneybun: gosh looks beautiful
[21:33] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I know right?
[21:33] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I am now
[21:33] <ahoneybun> gnome shell was built  for tablets/notebooks 13' and under
[21:36] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: hey
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I like the new theme
[21:37] <ahoneybun> awesome
[21:37] <dougl> that test site looks great
[21:38] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: just needs some tweeking on the multilingual part
[21:38] <ahoneybun> dougl: more behind the scenes :)
[21:38] <ahoneybun> yea ovidiu-florin
[23:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Just a quick reminder, I've been approved (by valorie) to set up a one-page landing for all things Kubuntu on the Ubuntu Wiki! (Check out amjjawad's LubuntuLinks on the Lubuntu section of the Wiki for the concept.) Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! :)
[23:29] <SonikkuAmerica> (The page we're working on is at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuLinks)
[23:37] <shadeslayer> SonikkuAmerica: awesome :)
[23:39] <SonikkuAmerica> shadeslayer: I haven't touched that page in ages due to college, etc. but feel free to have a look at it
[23:39]  * shadeslayer is too tired after working on Kubuntu all day
[23:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Will KDE 5 be in time for 14.10?
[23:42] <shadeslayer> dunno
[23:42] <shadeslayer> because there is no KDE 5 ....
[23:42] <yofel> dunno what kde 5 is, but kf5 and plasma2 likely yes
[23:43] <yofel> but it's still too soon to say anything definite
[23:43] <shadeslayer> ^^ depends on what state it is 
[23:43] <shadeslayer> looking at Neon 5 right now ... it's a long way off
[23:43] <yofel> well, we *could* make 14.10 a tech preview, depends on the state really
[23:44] <yofel> not sure if we want 4.0 take #2
[23:44] <shadeslayer> true, having 14.04 a LTS is a huge advantage that we could leverage
[23:45] <valorie> shadeslayer: I was thinking that same thing
[23:45] <shadeslayer> yeah, I only thought about it once yofel bought it up
[23:45] <valorie> SonikkuAmerica: you've made good progress
[23:45] <shadeslayer> A "Why didn't I think of that before" moment
[23:47] <valorie> it helps to have leisure to think!
[23:47] <valorie> it sounds like your life lately is jam-packed
[23:48] <shadeslayer> quite
[23:48]  * shadeslayer has been on a JFDI rampage
[23:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger keeps throwing cards at me :(
[23:49]  * yofel has been doing the opposite 
[23:49] <valorie> it's a busy time in KDE/Kubuntu-land
[23:49] <yofel> it's nice to know that I can take a bit of time off and nothing really falls apart ^^
[23:49] <shadeslayer> :)
[23:49] <valorie> are any kubuntuites planning to come to Randa this summer?
[23:50] <shadeslayer> valorie: I'm thinking about it
[23:50] <valorie> I miss you though, yofel
[23:50] <shadeslayer> but not sure what to put down on the sprint page
[23:50] <valorie> just so ya know
[23:50]  * yofel hugs valorie
[23:50]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}} yofel
[23:50] <valorie> I'm glad you still speak up from time to time
[23:51] <shadeslayer> all that automation work from the last couple of cycle helps with focusing on more interesting things ;)
[23:51] <yofel> indeed
[23:51] <valorie> can we automate any more of the work?
[23:52] <shadeslayer> valorie: QA
[23:52] <valorie> it seems to me that our quality just keeps getting better
[23:52] <shadeslayer> upgrades specifically
[23:52] <yofel> oh damn, I knew I forgot something..
[23:52] <shadeslayer> I'm trying to work with the ubuntu folk on that front, going to get us on their jenkins instance
[23:52] <valorie> shadeslayer: I've asked about a QA testing webapp, and we'll be getting one
[23:52] <valorie> just don't know when he'll have time to do it
[23:52] <shadeslayer> valorie: saw it on the card, but no progress was mad?
[23:52] <shadeslayer> *made
[23:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: ;)
[23:53] <valorie> I wrote and got a yes, but no committment on date
[23:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: valorie: I also have an email from Red Hat folks about ui testing
[23:53] <shadeslayer> so we can upstream alot of QA too
[23:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: put up a red note on my desktop for tomorrow. I shouldn't miss that :P
[23:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: hehe
[23:53] <valorie> I might write to KDE quality and bugsquad teams too, and turn up the heat a bit
[23:53] <shadeslayer> I really need to reply to that thing
[23:53] <SonikkuAmerica> By KDE 5 I was talking about KDE "Frameworks" 5...
[23:54] <valorie> yes, we want to upstream most of the testing, and just leave us to test our own stuff
[23:54] <shadeslayer> SonikkuAmerica: yeah, new branding, KDE now refers to the community
[23:54] <yofel> SonikkuAmerica: I think we can answer that with 'yes', as we're already packaging the pre-releases
[23:54] <shadeslayer> valorie: well, with ui tests we could also run tests on Kubuntu ( since we might be patching things )
[23:55] <shadeslayer> we also need a web framework to deal with Dep 3 patches
[23:55] <shadeslayer> all those machine readable patches not doing anything
[23:55] <yofel> ok, copyright stuff needs more automation
[23:56] <yofel> if it weren't so hard to do :(
[23:56] <shadeslayer> cooking food needs more automation ...
[23:56] <yofel> lol
[23:57] <shadeslayer> same thing for cleaning the house ^^
[23:57] <shadeslayer> I spend upto 15 hours a week on those things
[23:57] <valorie> right, we could set up our own instance of the webapp
[23:57] <yofel> build a rube golberg machine to entertain you :P
[23:58] <valorie> please write down thoughts on the trello card, so when he has time we have solid suggestions
[23:58] <shadeslayer> valorie: btw what's the name of this webapp?
[23:59] <valorie> not sure; any suggestions?
[23:59] <valorie> KQA
[23:59] <shadeslayer> I don't know really ....
[23:59] <valorie> we'll come up with something catchy eventually