[01:09] <Guest66233> hey
[01:09] <Guest66233> oops
[01:09] <mapps> went to see robocop at the imax
[01:09] <mapps> :D
[01:10] <ali1234> silly question, but is it good?
[01:11] <mapps> was good eya not sure its worth the 14.50
[01:11] <mapps> wasnt too long either just under 2hours..sick of watching films that could easily be 30mins shorter
[01:12] <ali1234> the original is like 100 minutes
[01:21] <shauno> strange irony that detroit turned out to be more apocalyptic than they ever painted it
[01:24] <mapps> heh yea
[01:24] <mapps> new spiderman looks good
[06:38] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:55] <jussi> morning MooDoo
[06:55] <mapps> hey
[06:55] <mapps> morning
[06:55] <jussi> MooDoo: O__u
[06:55] <jussi> (thats a tea cup in my hand...)
[06:56] <jussi> mornin mapps
[06:56] <mapps> morning
[06:57] <mapps> ive requested info on one the elephant
[06:57] <mapps> might be moving back to LONDON:D finally
[06:57] <jussi> mapps: my condolences :P
[06:57] <mapps> heh
[06:57] <mapps> im from London
[06:57] <jussi> mapps: still :P
[06:58]  * jussi hugs mapps
[06:58]  * MooDoo hugs his newly firmware updated router after finding out it had a major flaw lol
[06:59] <mapps> il be moving to a 2bed flat
[06:59] <mapps> ;/
[06:59] <mapps> not ideal
[06:59] <mapps> a house means i can do whatever i want
[06:59] <jussi> MooDoo: is it dd/open-wrt?
[07:00] <MooDoo> jussi: asus
[07:00] <MooDoo> no don't think so
[07:00] <MooDoo> just seeing if it's supported
[07:04] <MooDoo> still lots of routers out there that are providing access to their USB attached hard drives :S
[07:14] <knightwise> Morning everyone :)
[07:15] <MooDoo> morning knightwise
[07:16] <knightwise> hey Moodoo , how's it going ?
[07:16] <jussi> uk people waking up early today... :D
[07:16] <jussi> therefore, day does not equal monday...
[07:17] <MooDoo> knightwise: not bad thank, panic attack about my router last night, but all ok this morning
[07:17] <MooDoo> jussi: I'm always in work for 6:30
[07:17] <jussi> MooDoo: but you are speshial :P :P
[07:18] <jussi> brb, updated and now need to reboot...
[07:18] <MooDoo> jussi: so people keep telling me, especially the dr's ;)
[07:18] <knightwise> MooDoo: good to hear
[07:18]  * knightwise working from home today 
[07:18] <MooDoo> knightwise: lucky :D
[07:18] <knightwise> and todays side project is dual booting my I7 mac mini into 12.04
[07:19] <MooDoo> yay
[07:20] <knightwise> I use it as a production machine mainly (osx , for podcast production) but when i'm not creating podcast content it can just as well be a linux desktop
[07:20] <knightwise> I would love to use it for video rendering.
[07:21] <MooDoo> knightwise: you do a lot of podcasts?
[07:21] <knightwise> one every week
[07:21] <knightwise> www.knightwise.com
[07:22] <MooDoo> ah cool, something I'm looking to get into.
[07:24] <jussi> knightwise: I like your web theme :)
[07:25] <foobarry> morning early birds
[07:26] <MooDoo> morning foobarry
[07:28] <knightwise> thanx :) its a wordpress plugin
[07:28] <knightwise> MooDoo: podcasting is cool
[07:28] <knightwise> I also do regular stuff for HPR
[07:29] <jussi> knightwise: may I *cough* steal it *cough* and modify it?
[07:29] <jussi> (err.. read: would you share it?)
[07:30] <knightwise> the theme of the website or the mobile plugin
[07:31] <knightwise> the web theme .. its a modified version of a wordpress theme I bought .
[07:31] <knightwise> I would prefer if you woulnd't steal it , my website guy put quite a lot of work in it and it is also our complete brand style.
[07:32] <knightwise> but I cant stop you from googling it , finding the wordpress theme and giving it your own spin if that is what you mean to do
[07:34] <jussi> knightwise: nah, Ill leave it if thats the case. just looking for a new theme for my blog, thats all
[07:35] <mapps> hm
[07:36] <knightwise> jussi: I appreciate it :) Took me quit a while to get a distinct look for the site
[07:36] <knightwise> its also on or cards and everything
[07:37] <jussi> knightwise: yeah, no probs. I wouldnt want to take away from  what youve done - its a sign of recognition if anythign :)
[07:38] <knightwise> THnax dude ! I appreciate that  :)
[07:41] <mapps> what to watch
[07:42] <knightwise> does anybody know what the command line name is for the ubuntu app store ?
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> ubuntu-software-centre I think
[07:42] <foobarry> software-center-gtk3?
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> or center
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> foobarry++
[07:47] <knightwise> got it :)
[07:47] <knightwise> foobarry: was correct :)
[07:52]  * knightwise loves linux :) 
[07:53] <knightwise> Installed 12.04 on my wifes iMac. enabling the ssh server so i can remotely access her machine ,install apps and put files on her desktop she doesn't find otherwise
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install keylogger
[07:55] <mapps> hi MartijnVdS
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning mapps :D
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning MartijnVdS :D
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> \o MooDoo
[07:56] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: thanks for last nigth :D
[07:57] <MooDoo> er router, you know what I mean :d
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> heh :)
[08:03] <mapps> morning MooDoo
[08:03] <mapps> ;]
[08:05] <SuperMatt> yo
[08:07] <MooDoo> how SuperMatt
[08:14] <SuperMatt> how
[08:14] <SuperMatt> for now
[08:14]  * SuperMatt is fred dinenage
[08:14] <MooDoo> tara
[08:23] <diplo> Morning all
[08:25] <SuperMatt> moaning
[08:27] <MooDoo> hello diplo
[08:32] <diplo> How're we all this fine morning ?
[08:33] <MooDoo> diplo: fine and dandy thanks :D
[08:33] <MooDoo> diplo: and what about your good self?
[08:34] <diplo> Hoping for a quieter day at work here, kids have gone back to their mums so DIY/tidy time now :/
[08:34] <diplo> Well this week
[08:34] <diplo> Need to talk divorce with the ex tonight which may somewhat make it a bit suckier!
[08:40] <MooDoo> ouch :(
[08:41] <DJones> Morning all
[09:13] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Single Tasking Day! :-D
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> Alt+Tab
[09:20] <foobarry> f11
[09:20] <jussi> NOOOO
[09:20] <jussi> not single tasking day
[09:20] <jussi> :(
[09:22] <JamesTait> My new favourite day.
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: now you can irc all day!
[09:25]  * jussi is enjoying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAVrm3wjzq8 while working... screw single taskign day 
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> eww.. musicals, really?
[09:28] <jussi> MartijnVdS: you dont have to watch it if you dont like it :)
[09:28] <foobarry> i signed a pre nup with my wife that i would never have to watch a musical for the sake of pleasing my wife
[09:28] <jussi> hehe
[09:28] <foobarry> was top of my list
[09:28] <jussi> I love les mis
[09:28] <foobarry> "i would do anything for love etc"
[09:29] <jussi> you are all barbarians :P
[09:29] <foobarry> men
[09:29] <MooDoo> I like wicked, chicago oklahoma ;)
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://www.lifeasaplate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/meatloaf-stats.jpg
[09:30] <foobarry> i don't even know how musicals came about
[09:30] <foobarry> its a bizarre concept
[09:30] <jussi> MooDoo: everythime I think of oklahoma there comes to mind  that scene from band of brothers...
[09:31] <jussi> MooDoo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Pdob5J3Yo
[09:31] <MooDoo> :D
[10:00] <jussi> yay for rain + snow... YUCK
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> jussi: snow? what's that? Haven't seen that in at least a year ;)
[10:02] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hehe
[10:06] <jussi> hrm, I have lamb in the fridge. Im thinking of slicing it up, frying it and making pizza(yeah, weird I know). what do people here think would be nice on a lamb pizza...
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> garlic sauce
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> jussi: you could also go for something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon instead :)
[10:08] <jussi> MartijnVdS: that would require me to have potatoes in the house...
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> jussi: remember it for next time ;)
[10:08] <jussi> :)
[10:22] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:22] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:24] <dwatkins> allo allo
[10:26] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, maybe now I can IRC all day, now I've finished single-tasking on my morning e-mail. :)
[10:27] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:43] <andrewebdev> On ubuntu server, is there a way to install nginx with the nginx_pagespeed module, directly from the repo? Or would I have to build nginx myself
[10:44] <MooDoo> not sure about the module, but you should be able to apt-get install nginx
[10:44] <MooDoo> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-nginx-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin does this help?
[10:44] <andrewebdev> installing nginx is not the issue really, it's because nginx needs to be built with nginx_pagespeed enabled
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> andrewebdev: what does that module do?
[10:45] <andrewebdev> was basically hoping there may exist some package that does this (am actively googling for that)
[10:45] <andrewebdev> MartijnVdS,  https://github.com/pagespeed/ngx_pagespeed
[10:46] <MooDoo> andrewebdev: what about this :D = http://www.nginxtips.com/how-to-install-nginx-pagespeed-module/
[10:46] <MooDoo> looks like you have to build it then again what do I know :D
[10:47] <andrewebdev> yeah I was hoping a supported package might already exist within official repos
[10:48] <MooDoo> andrewebdev: https://launchpad.net/~sandyd/+archive/nginx-current-pagespeed ?
[10:50] <andrewebdev> MooDoo, looks promising will review that alongside my other options
[10:50] <MooDoo> andrewebdev: nice one :D
[11:00] <MooDoo> yay facebook chat for my page lol small things etc :D
[11:28] <andyc> Is there an easy way with ubuntu to enable VNC remotely and get access to my other desktop?
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> andyc: there used to be, maybe you have to install it manually now
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> andyc: "vino" and its preferences tool are what you're looking for
[11:29] <andyc> I've tried to update preferences for vino but still no joy
[11:29] <andyc> I'll just keep going at it
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> andyc: you may need to log out & back in, or start vino manually once
[11:33] <andyc> MartijnVdS, Problem solved - I hadn't ticked a box in vino prefs to configure network automatically
[11:47] <jussi> andyc: I just allow google to handle it for me (chrome remote desktop)
[11:57] <foobarry> jussi: any good?
[11:58] <jussi> foobarry: it works easily, simple to install, minimal hassle, no port forwardingg etc
[11:58] <foobarry> cool, never tried it
[11:58] <foobarry> wonder how it works
[11:58] <jussi> and its great for the extended famil, you tell them to click a button and give the code
[11:59] <jussi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_Remote_Desktop
[12:00] <foobarry> taken me all morning to update bios and ilom firmware on 2 ibm servers
[12:00] <foobarry> 3 reboots, frequent restarts and fails
[12:01] <foobarry> all via the java remote console *shudder*
[12:03] <jussi> foobarry: note that the wiki page is a bit old though
[12:03] <jussi> (linux remote desktop isnt coming soon anymore)
[12:09] <ikonia> I dont suppose anyone has any UK supplier that has unusual coloured ethernet cable, eg: striped, or something a bit unusual
[12:10] <jussi> ikonia: I dont, but I have a bright pink one here :D
[12:11] <foobarry> tried rs components?
[12:12] <ikonia> jussi: notohing unusual about pink, a standard colour
[12:12] <foobarry> i used to get blue translucent
[12:12] <ikonia> foobarry: looking at RS and commsexpres now, but its all standard colours,
[12:12] <jussi> ikonia: before I found this one, I had never seen a pink one before
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://gizmodo.com/5501265/pink-jeweled-kabling-ethernet-cables-are-the-new-hot-accessory-for-2010
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/pink-ethernet-cable
[12:24] <jussi> ikonia: also: http://www.chord.co.uk/product/chord-indigo-ethernet-tuned-aray/
[12:48] <ikonia> lets see.....
[12:48] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: a good attempt, but it needs to be more than just the connector that is a bit different
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: the connector is different and the cable is pink
[12:49] <ikonia> jussi: that's just really "purple" with a massive price tag, not quite the unusual I was thinking
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: what are you thinking of then? :)
[12:49] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: already got pink cable, hence the need for something different
[12:50] <jussi> ikonia: yeah, hard to find - I spent 10 mins looking and that purple was the best I could find. some nice usb cables available though :P
[12:50] <ikonia> jussi: really annoying, I need to basically easy identify a small vlan segment, in a place that already has tons of different coloured cables
[12:51] <jussi> ikonia: take some electrical tape an spiral it around a normal one?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Multicolor-Number-Mark-for-Ethernet-RJ45-12-11-Wire-Power-Cable-/390413623532?pt=US_Cabling_Tools&hash=item5ae67720ec
[12:51] <ikonia> jussi: bit sloppy, want "off the shelf" but a good thought
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: those number tags are teh bomb -- use them to tag cables with vlan ids :)
[12:51] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: annoyingly the plain cables all have those on, and they have been proven not to work at this place.
[12:52] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: yeah, used them before, they work great....except with these people
[12:52] <ikonia> I'll find something, I have a blue/white stiped one at home, so some places must do them
[12:52] <ikonia> striped
[12:56] <jussi> ikonia: denon have a black with blue dots... unfortunately it costs 499$ :P
[13:00] <ikonia> ouch
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> for audiophiles
[13:05] <ikonia> yes, not core for sending a few packets down
[13:05] <jussi> ikonia: btw, is it only color that could be used to distinguish it ?  how about usingthose "flat" cables?
[13:06] <ikonia> got to be colour or a "visual" thing
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> so a "flat" cable would work. or a braided one
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-10M-Network-Fiber-Optic-Flat-cable-for-RJ45-UTP-CAT6a-Cat-6-Ethernet-Patch-F0327/609100336.html
[13:14] <ikonia> could work, I'll check it with them
[13:14] <ikonia> nice efforts
[13:20] <jussi> ikonia: yeah, thats the kind of flat one I meant :)
[13:20] <ikonia> it's more the light blue that works for me
[13:24] <knightwise> There :)
[13:24] <knightwise> Wife just spent her first day on her brand new linux machine.
[13:25] <knightwise> :) I didn't give her an ounce of explenation and she just went ahead and toddled along.
[13:30] <SuperMatt> knightwise: is she normally computer literate?
[13:31] <knightwise> she is geeky enough :) I installed elementary on her 24 inch imac
[13:31] <knightwise> she took to it like a fish to water
[13:31] <SuperMatt> hmmm... I think the real test is when it's done to someone non-geeky, but props for her taking to it well :)
[13:32] <knightwise> I switched her gran (She's 84 now) to linux about 5 years ago
[13:32] <knightwise> Granny alternates between a W8 laptop and her linux mint machine
[13:33] <SuperMatt> that's impressive
[13:33] <SuperMatt> running cinnamon?
[13:35] <knightwise> yep
[13:35] <knightwise> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuForGrandma
[13:35] <knightwise> (this is when i switched her to ubuntu)
[13:35] <knightwise> after unity i moved her over to cinnamon
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> I just installed 12.04 for my grandma
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> plain
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> "Oh wow, this is much easier" (she'd only used XP before)
[13:36] <knightwise> true
[13:36] <knightwise> must say I simplified cinnamon a little for her ...
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> see, I just gave her Unity :)
[13:36]  * knightwise just not big on unity . I have it on my lts machines though.
[13:38] <SuperMatt> I love unity
[13:38] <SuperMatt> I've tried other DEs, and they just don't seem to gel with me
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> I run Unity, I don't *use* it much though
[13:38] <MooDoo> I liked the slab on suse
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> just the button bar and Alt+F2
[13:38] <knightwise> I use Küpfer
[13:39] <SuperMatt> MartijnVdS: I'm much the same. I actually rarely use the dash because I have everything I need in the launcher
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yeah, I run terminals and a browser.. so that's all that's in there :)
[13:40] <SuperMatt> I've got files, terminal, firefox, thunderbird, sublime, chrome, software updater, keepass, steam
[13:40] <knightwise> to be very honest , that is what I do the most too
[13:40] <knightwise> what is sublime ?
[13:40] <SuperMatt> and this is for my work box
[13:40] <SuperMatt> anything else isn't required
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: an editor for people who can't vim
[13:40] <SuperMatt> oi!
[13:40]  * knightwise is a nano slut
[13:40] <SuperMatt> I can so use vim!
[13:41] <SuperMatt> but it's just as powerful and looks real pretty
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: poor man
[13:41] <SuperMatt> I use it mostly for writing code
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: if I use anything other than vim, my files end up full of ":wq"
[13:41] <SuperMatt> lols
[13:41] <SuperMatt> I know what you mean
[13:41] <SuperMatt> my command line history can be seen to have !q in it
[13:42] <SuperMatt> or "/blah/scrip!q"
[13:42] <SuperMatt> wait
[13:42] <SuperMatt> no
[13:42] <SuperMatt> I mean :q!
[13:42] <SuperMatt> I do that stuff so automatically that when I was just thinking about it, my brain spazzed
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> :)
[13:43] <ali1234> i am looking forward to the day when some hotshot kid takes over maintenance and adds a touch UI to it
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: to what? Unity?
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: vim?
[13:43] <ali1234> i will point and laugh at the vim users and tell them "you just hate change, stop living in the past"
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, you type with your on-screen keyboard!
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> and you autocorrect
[13:44] <SuperMatt> using vim on a touch interface is a pita
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> s/using vim on //
[13:45] <ali1234> no it isn't, we did extenive user testing with three people and they all said it was much better
[13:45] <SuperMatt> mmm... pita bread
[13:45] <SuperMatt> ali1234: lawls
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Pita bread, paid for at a PoS? ;)
[13:46] <SuperMatt> https://xkcd.com/1172/
[13:46] <ali1234> all three people never used vim or a keyboard before, which means they can be much more objective
[13:46] <SuperMatt> obligatory xkcd post
[13:46] <knightwise> Lol
[13:47] <knightwise> what do VIM and brokeback mountain have in common ?
[13:47] <knightwise> " I don't know how to quit you "
[13:47]  * SuperMatt sniggers
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: *emacs
[13:48] <ali1234> what emacs really needs is an app store
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: suggest it to GNU
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> FSF8
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> *
[13:49]  * jussi snorts
[13:49] <jussi> app store...
[13:49] <jussi> :D
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Almost 10km ice skating time for Belgium!
[14:25] <shauno> I think what emacs is really missing is a kernel.  one day, hurd, one day
[14:31] <foobarry> touchpad doesn't work in centos?
[14:33] <foobarry> i think my install is shagged
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> feature!
[14:33] <foobarry> i seem to remember this one never recovered from ctrl-c during a yum update
[14:33] <ali1234> is this legit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1y1eex/app_development_and_the_click_store_question/cfh2fs8
[14:33] <neuro> yum auggggh
[14:34] <ali1234> yum is still the least bad rpm front end
[14:34] <foobarry> wow ali1234
[14:34] <foobarry> what does debian use to install software?
[14:34] <foobarry> via gui
[14:34] <ali1234> foobarry: synaptic
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> gdebi 8-)
[14:35] <neuro> that's like saying a rusty blunt knife is the least bad implement to stab yourself in the face with
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: until they write that systemd plugin to install packages
[14:35] <foobarry> 10yrs ago it was synaptic too
[14:35] <ali1234> yeah so anyway is that actually true or not? popey? davmor2?
[14:36] <foobarry> somebody should tell omgubuntu
[14:36] <neuro> about the rusty blunt knife?
[14:38] <popey> is what true?
[14:38] <ali1234> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1y1eex/app_development_and_the_click_store_question/cfh2fs8
[14:38] <popey> I don't think so.
[14:38] <popey> not that I've heard anyhoo
[14:38] <popey> Laney is on the desktop team, he may know ☻
[14:38] <MooDoo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/software-center/13.10-0ubuntu2
[14:40] <neuro> yeah, i'd be interested to know that guy's sources
[14:40] <neuro> fwiw, "that guy" = https://launchpad.net/~nhaines
[14:40] <MooDoo> there are a lot of websites out there that reference 14.04's software center, so I'm not sure it's going
[14:41] <ali1234> it says 14.10
[14:41] <MooDoo> I'll shut up then
[14:42]  * neuro stops 6 ec2 VMs to save some wonga
[14:42] <neuro> one day i'll get auto scaling working
[14:42] <neuro> but not today
[14:43] <neuro> definitely not while we're using these &!%$ing centos images :9
[14:43] <neuro> centos ... the thinking man's rusty blunt knife
[14:44] <foobarry> stabs himself
[14:44] <neuro> and if i could slap the guy who built them, i would
[14:44] <neuro> 32-bit installs
[14:44] <foobarry> xorg-x11-drv-synaptics conflicts xorg-x11-xserver-xorg
[14:44] <neuro> so i can't bump up to the newer ec2 instance types :P
[14:56] <davmor2> ali1234: aiui the apps scope will replace USC in unity8.  So usc will nolonger be in the default install of unbuntu but will be supported for the sake of 14.04 until 19.04 when the lts dies.  After that I have no idea what the plans are.
[14:57] <neuro> yeah
[14:57] <neuro> oops
[14:57] <neuro> wrong bloody window
[15:00] <neuro> TOO MANY WINDOWS
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ALT+F4
[15:01] <neuro> does nothing
[15:01] <neuro> mac, remember?
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> neuro: sudo poweroff
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> neuro: oh, Cmd+Q
[15:01] <neuro> OH NOES MY WINDOW HAS TEH CLOSEDORS
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> Much window. Very close.
[15:01] <neuro> so gone
[15:02] <neuro> not that you'd see anything if i did cmd+q ... irssi proxy + Linkinus ftw
[15:02] <MooDoo> I'd make a comment about fdisk or something equally is silly but i'd get slapped.
[15:03] <neuro> again, not that it would do much to me
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> sudo dd?
[15:03] <neuro> hmm possibly
[15:04] <neuro> i broke a server the other day with some overzealous rm -rf'ing as root
[15:04] <neuro> used ; in the command chain rather than &&
[15:04] <neuro> which was stupid
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> "and much was learned that day"
[15:04] <neuro> left /bin and /etc looking rather empty
[15:05] <neuro> MartijnVdS: yeah, i learned how quickly i could respin the server from an AMI ;)
[15:05]  * popey has put a lambs leg in the oven on low
[15:05] <popey> house is starting to smell nicely of dead lamb
[15:05] <popey> This is a Good Thing ™
[15:05] <neuro> popey: if it's on low, make sure you bend your legs, not your back
[15:06] <neuro> dead meaty things + controlled heat + confined space = nicey smell
[15:06] <neuro> dead meaty things + uncontrolled heat + outdoors = nasty smell
[15:07] <neuro> odd how that works
[15:10] <MooDoo> sorry I just heard cooked lamb hmmmmmmmmmmm
[15:45] <Gribbles>  hi, i'm using github and just signed up to openshift. openshift wants my public ssh key, so do i give it the same key i'm using for github or create a new one and give it that?
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> Gribbles: you can do either. I use the same one everywhere
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> Gribbles: having multiple keys limits the damage that can be done if the private part gets exposed somehow (hacked machine, government snooping etc)
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> except if they're all on the same machine, stealing all keys is just as easy as stealing one
[15:48] <MartijnVdS> so.. see why I chose one key over several ;)
[15:48]  * awilkins has used the same private key for aaages
[15:49]  * MartijnVdS recently upgraded to a longer one
[15:49] <awilkins> 1024 bit here
[15:50] <awilkins> I'm an 11 stone crypto-weakling it seems
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> 4096
[15:50] <awilkins> Maybe I should upgrade... same key for my router as well
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> took forever to generate
[15:50] <awilkins> Lots of frantic mouse wiggling
[15:51] <Gribbles> MartijnVdS, thanks :)
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: uhhuh "mouse wiggling"
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> aaanyway.. time to go home :)
[15:52] <bashrc> the encryption is only as good as the randomness - hence the wiggling
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCaEjQiaHkU
[15:56] <Dermot_Stry> http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/plan-to-create-botanic-garden-of-global-standing-1-6432345    , Note this is using a Manchester company , not a local one . bye.
[15:56] <Dermot_Stry> leaves.
[15:56]  * awilkins wonders how long an 8192 bit key takes
[15:57] <awilkins> Really fast, apparently
[15:57] <awilkins> Hmm
[16:49] <neuro> hmm
[16:49] <neuro> capital one really want me to use their credit card
[16:49] <neuro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h89niwp0rsiadju/Screenshot%202014-02-18%2016.48.49.png
[16:53] <neuro> "Has anyone lost a bag of shopping? A white carrier bag with produce and water has been handed in – found in the Coffee Lounge earlier today."
[16:53] <neuro> the fun emails i get at work
[17:06] <jussi> neuro: capital one :/
[17:06] <neuro> aye
[17:23] <knightwise> eeevenin everyone
[17:23] <knightwise> hey emma
[17:23] <knightwise> hey jussi neuro !
[17:24] <jussi> knightwise: hi. hows the wife coping with E?
[17:24] <knightwise> Doin fine :)
[17:24] <knightwise> just did her first workflows today ( mail , printing out some shipping tickets and stuff)
[17:25] <knightwise> she only mentioned that it looks a little different , but that its also a little faster
[17:25] <knightwise> so thats a good thing :)
[17:25] <knightwise> Today I mounted our picture share in a folder and pointed her screensaver at the directory
[17:26] <knightwise> so now she has her "picture slideshow" as a screensaver
[17:26] <jussi> knightwise: you removed the naughty pictures I hope :P :P
[17:27] <knightwise> We have a seperate share for those :p
[17:27] <jussi> hehe
[17:29] <neuro> ello knightwise
[17:29] <SuperEngineer> So let's see who's up for a partion question... "building" a new PC with new disk amonst other stuff...
[17:30] <neuro> you know partion isn't a word, right?
[17:30]  * neuro runs
[17:30] <SuperEngineer> if I want to pre-partiton the disk [reason soon obvious]...
[17:30] <knightwise> go on ...
[17:32] <SuperEngineer> could I create a root partition on new disk & simply copy all root stuff from [single partion setup on existing disk] to the new? [copy using sudo assumed]
[17:32] <SuperEngineer> then create home and do the obvious
[17:33] <neuro> why not just fresh install?
[17:33] <knightwise> Dd-ing everythong over is not recommended
[17:33] <knightwise> i would do a fresh install and just copy over the /home
[17:33] <neuro> dd would work if the partition sizes match
[17:33] <neuro> like exactly
[17:34] <SuperEngineer> want to wait till 14.04 release rather than start at beta
[17:34] <neuro> copying sounds like too much hassle, pain dealing with dev, proc, etc
[17:34] <knightwise> SuperEngineer: give us the whole story .. what are you doin ?
[17:35] <neuro> why not wait til 14.04 comes out then? :)
[17:35] <SuperEngineer> knightwise: - semi-building new pc [exisiting is an old Dell Dimension with extra memory & better graphics card & bigger disks etc
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> new is based on a Zoostorm [+ nVidia GTX650, extra disk and as much as can be salvagedfrom Dell as is useful
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> neuro: I'm soon to go for a knee op - I will be off the road for a little while after - thought that this would be good time to do the dirty
[17:37] <neuro> 13.10 then?
[17:37] <neuro> and do a release upgrade come april?
[17:38] <SuperEngineer> ...though still waiting for required psu to arrive and for dearest sistewr to send early birthday pressy to double the 4GB RAM in it
[17:38] <neuro> just be wary of the ram in the zoostorms
[17:38] <neuro> i had to replace mine very very quickly
[17:39] <neuro> and the HDD i got was shonky as well
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> neuro: that brings me back to original q/  !
[17:39] <SuperEngineer> I want to set this up "right" -  I would like separate root, home [+dat] partitions
[17:39] <knightwise> I would do a clean install on a clean system.
[17:40] <knightwise> so seperate partitions for / home and swap
[17:40] <knightwise> nice and clean
[17:40] <knightwise> and then just copy over your settings in /home
[17:41] <SuperEngineer> copy /home from 12.04 to which - 13.10 [not fancied], 14.04 [still late beta]. hmmm
[17:41] <neuro> do a 12.04 install then?
[17:41] <neuro> so everything marries up
[17:41] <knightwise> i did that today
[17:41] <neuro> then do the 14.04 upgrade
[17:42] <knightwise> installed 12.04 on my mac mini (and yesterday on my wifes imac)
[17:42] <neuro> ewww!
[17:42] <neuro> heathen!
[17:42] <knightwise> no .. i'm a SLIDER :)
[17:42] <knightwise> cross platform guru :)
[17:42]  * neuro hugs his Macs
[17:42] <neuro> there, there
[17:42] <neuro> don't listen to the bad man
[17:42] <knightwise> Hahahah :p
[17:42] <knightwise> I do horrible things to macs :)
[17:42] <SuperEngineer> or download 12.04.4 and re-update it!  why the whotsits didn't I think of that option!!!! [thanks for being my brain / bouncing board - sincerely]
[17:43] <neuro> hehe
[17:43] <knightwise> there you go :)
[17:44] <SuperEngineer> I *do* think U-UK should be compulsory or available on the NHS at least ;)
[17:44] <knightwise> neuro : here's a horror story for you http://knightwise.com/switch-week-linux-on-the-imac-and-more/
[17:44] <neuro> HEATHEN!
[17:45] <knightwise> As the daleks say BLAS-PHE-MY !
[17:45]  * SuperEngineer downloads 12.04.4 - smiles
[18:01] <SuperEngineer> darn... now I've got to thinking about "full utilsation"...
[18:03] <SuperEngineer> ..any know if there is any advantage in running the desktop monitor from on boarrd graphics and leaving the nVidia to dribe the "big screen" [the TV]
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> or maybe use spare monitor [vga only] attached to onboard graphics & let nvidia to main monitor + TV
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> [or maybe just experiment & find out when all safely uo & running ;) ]
[18:08] <mapps> yo
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> whoops - apparently brain thought I was on #SpellItBadly channel
[18:08] <mapps> whats up guys
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> ^ that way
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: was that for moi?
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> no, for mapps
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> he asked what up was
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> hokey dokeys
[18:10] <mapps> :D
[18:11] <mapps> hey MartijnVdS
[18:11]  * SuperEngineer searches key map for other "ups"
[18:11] <mapps> have you been to the amsterdam dungeons?
[18:11] <mapps> or london even
[18:11] <mapps> :)
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> mapps: no.
[18:11] <mapps> has anyone? im guessing london dungeons is jack the ripper
[18:14] <shauno> I've always avoided them.  seems like an incredibly cheesy chain
[18:17] <mapps> oh#
[18:17] <mapps> i loved the amstersam dungeon..butr i did expect it to suck tbh shauno
[18:17] <mapps> just wondered how good the london one is
[18:20] <mapps> still not managed to fix the socket errors on this stupid url filtering stuff
[18:26] <shauno> this is absolute genius; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoTMC-uxJoo
[18:26] <shauno> I actually wish we had a use for these 'water curtain' signs just because they look neat
[18:51] <dwatkins> put one in yourt shower
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> tempted to suggest replacing "yourt shower" with "yoghurt shower" - seems so much more fun
[19:18] <shauno> a shower in a yurt does sound quite awkward
[19:33] <mapps> a yurt
[19:33] <mapps> that a tent kinda thing?
[19:55] <shauno> indeed
[20:11] <ali1234> it's new humble bundle time...
[20:26] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:45] <daubers> Evening
[21:35] <mapps> hmm
[21:36] <mapps> i noticed my machines connection had died
[21:36] <mapps> so i tried
[21:36] <mapps> oogging onto it locally..AND its just hanging on login after ive enterred my password
[21:37] <ali1234> probably out of memory or disk space
[21:39] <mapps> ah ok would that cause that? where would an error about that be written to
[21:39] <ali1234> dmesg?
[21:39] <ali1234> but the point is that if you run out of disk space nothing can write to any logs
[21:39] <mapps> hmm
[21:39] <mapps> i think its memory]got 800gb free
[21:39] <diddledan> I've also had issues where /dev/pts isn't mounted but that's an esoteric issue that I've only encountered on gentoos
[21:40] <ali1234> if you run out of ram it triggers swapping which overloads disk io and makes reading or writing impossible, effectively hanging the machine
[21:40] <diddledan> and only affected ssh
[21:40] <ali1234> i don't understand why they even bother enabling swap
[21:40] <mapps> ah so that would be why the connection died too
[21:40] <ali1234> all it does is make the computer freeze for 20 minutes before the oom killer kicks in
[21:41] <mapps> oom?:)
[21:41] <diddledan> ali1234: swap is a bit of a mess on linux isn't it?! :-p
[21:41] <ali1234> swap isn't the problem, the i/o scheduler is
[21:41] <ali1234> it's total garbage
[21:41] <ali1234> noop scheduler performs better on any type of disk
[21:42] <ali1234> *possibly excluding high end raid arrays, ut who the hell has one of those?
[21:45] <ali1234> the other day i tried to tar up a large directory on a web server... the server stopped serving pages until i killed tar
[21:45] <diddledan> it's not uncommon to see 4GB of swap available on random boxes - that's gonna take some time to reach the OOM where the system is unresponsive
[21:45] <diddledan> ouch
[21:46] <diddledan> similar behaviour is another reason Gentoo are bad servers when it comes to upgrade time
[21:46] <ali1234> i have 16gb ram and 32gb swap
[21:46] <diddledan> "I'll just compile this upgradE"
[21:47] <diddledan> "in 1GB of RAMs and 1CPU"
[21:47] <ali1234> the computer can hang for literally hours if some badly behaved program decides to use 32gb of ram
[21:48] <ali1234> it always recovers once the oom killer kicks in, but usually X crashes due to very very overdue irqs
[21:49] <ali1234> this is why i want cgroups support, so i can reserve say 1gb for system processes
[21:49] <diddledan> isn't the point of an IRQ that it actually interrupts something? :-p
[21:49] <ali1234> yeah you'd think that but apparently disk i/o already runs in irq mode, who knows?
[21:49] <ali1234> you can't irq inside an irq
[21:50] <diddledan> >.<
[21:50] <ali1234> (maybe you can on x86, it wouldn't surprise me all that much)
[21:51] <diddledan> it would be nice if the IRQ could use all CPUs/Cores instead of hitting the same one all the time for backwards compatibility (or so I read?)
[21:51] <ali1234> it wouldn't really be all that useful
[21:52] <ali1234> most IRQs are not time critical in normal operation
[21:53] <ali1234> it only becomes a problem when the kernel hangs for more than a few minutes at a time
[21:53] <ali1234> you're not supposed to do anything inside IRQ context except clear the flags and marshal the data into some kind of queue so that it can be handled in a non-IRQ context
[21:54] <ali1234> of course, that sometimes involves allocating memory...
[21:54] <diddledan> isn't there a DoS technique referred to as an interrupt storm? :-D
[21:55] <ali1234> i dunno, but i would guess that means something else
[21:55] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt_storm
[22:03] <diddledan> heh the interrupt storm is a modern term for a problem that happened on the apollo 11 lunar lander - the infamous 1201 and 1202 errors
[22:04] <diddledan> that also**
[22:04] <diddledan> turns out the guys at nasa were pretty clever
[22:05] <diddledan> """Happily for Apollo 11, the AGC software had been designed with priority scheduling. Just as it had been designed to do, the software automatically recovered, deleting lower priority tasks including the 1668 display task, to complete its critical guidance and control tasks."
[22:06] <diddledan> is that an early OOM killer? :->
[22:07] <diddledan> wow, the apollo guidance computer (AGC) was used all over the place
[22:08] <diddledan> even in submarines
[22:26] <diddledan> I'll just leave this here: http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE/ref=sr_1_3?tag=ohmy0c-20
[22:39] <ali1234> http://apple.stackexchange.com/q/121345/59906
[22:42] <diddledan> why would anyone want to?!
[22:42] <diddledan> I guess "because it's there and my ashtray is a whole foot the other way"
[22:42] <ali1234> i dunno
[23:51] <diddledan> waaa, kernel patches galore]
[23:53] <diddledan> I don't get why ksplice isn't used in more places
[23:54] <Monotoko> isn't that the one Oracle bought?
[23:54] <diddledan> yeah
[23:54] <diddledan> but it was opensauce beforehand
[23:54] <Monotoko> things like that tend to die when companies like Oracle buy them :(
[23:55] <diddledan> indeed
[23:57] <diddledan> looks like the website (ksplice.com) hasn't been updated since the acquisition in 2011
[23:59] <diddledan> I get the impression that nobody in the wider community either knew about it or thought it was a silly idea