[00:00] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: any out-of-band access?
[00:00] <jhutchins> ambro718: That's not _too_ newb.
[00:00] <VoidWhisperer> TJ- nope
[00:00] <VoidWhisperer> Had to send in a ticket to the support for the server
[00:00] <VoidWhisperer> :/
[00:01] <VoidWhisperer> and since it's a dedi I fear I may end up being charged for them to fix this
[00:01] <hitsujiTMO> \o/ VoidWhisperer: you're host may provide a recover iso that you can boot to to fix the issue
[00:01] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: I have a script that resets the rules after 5 minutes if I don't touch a known file, for just those occasions
[00:01] <jcbjoe> hi all im on ubuntu 12.0.4 and trying to adb devices and it shows me offline .. i created a udev rule and did service udev restart
[00:01] <jcbjoe> same issue
[00:01] <jcbjoe> any ideas ?
[00:01] <VoidWhisperer> hitsujiTMO: I just hope I won't be charged for being such a dumbass.
[00:02] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: Can you cause it to power-cycle? is the rule manual or in the startup config?
[00:02] <hitsujiTMO> VoidWhisperer: you prob will. but check your control panel for a recover iso first
[00:02] <VoidWhisperer> TJ- I had ufw
[00:02] <VoidWhisperer> so I'd assuming on startup
[00:02] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: urgh :)
[00:02] <mcphail> jcbjoe: is usb debugging switched on on the device?
[00:02] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: You don't have KVM over IP?
[00:02] <VoidWhisperer> Nope.
[00:02] <hitsujiTMO> VoidWhisperer: what company is it?
[00:02] <VoidWhisperer> vapornode
[00:02] <VoidWhisperer> I think the lack of kvm over ip might be a bit of an oversight on my part..
[00:03]  * TJ- grins ... I've one here you can have ;p
[00:03] <Vivekananda> is the second option here http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/  the correct one for intel 64 bit laptops or is it just for amd ?
[00:03] <hitsujiTMO> VoidWhisperer: their website states "Free IPMI / KVM"
[00:04] <TJ-> Vivekananda: amd64 covers AMD and Intel 64-bit CPUs (except Itaniums)
[00:04] <Vivekananda> ok
[00:04] <Vivekananda> TJ-: btw
[00:04] <Vivekananda> still stuck on the homescreen issue
[00:04] <jcbjoe> thanks mcphail it was asking to trust computer
[00:04] <Vivekananda> in case you are around
[00:04] <Vivekananda> but I am going to re install ubuntu 64 bit now
[00:04] <Vivekananda> :)
[00:04] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO the Sherlock Holmes of #ubuntu :)
[00:05] <hitsujiTMO> tj- :P
[00:05] <VoidWhisperer> hitsuji mine doesn't have one.
[00:05] <VoidWhisperer> \o/
[00:05] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: That's a nice pipe too "P"
[00:05] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: You're not having a good day!
[00:06] <hitsujiTMO> VoidWhisperer: check your control panel for a recover iso option. any reputable host provides one!
[00:06] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: Did you block everything? You've not got any connections to any service?
[00:06] <VoidWhisperer> No, the only thing that i allowed through my game servers and zabbix..
[00:06] <VoidWhisperer> \o/
[00:06] <VoidWhisperer> They marked it as in progress
[00:07] <VoidWhisperer> so they are evidently doing something about it
[00:07] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: "All our colocation options include free basic remote hands. This includes OS installations, hot swap drive changes, chassis reboots, and many other basic tasks."
[00:07] <jhutchins> Vivekananda: Intel actually licenses the 64bit code with 32bit support from AMD.
[00:07] <Vivekananda> hmmm okay
[00:07] <Vivekananda> now I am trying to make a multiboot
[00:07] <VoidWhisperer> TJ- it's a dedi, not a colo
[00:07] <VoidWhisperer> I can't afford to colo a server with the cpu I use xD
[00:08] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: you could do with a switched CDU over IP, too :)
[00:08] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: Ahhh, OK
[00:08] <VoidWhisperer> dual l5520s
[00:08] <VoidWhisperer> those things get expensive very fast
[00:08] <VoidWhisperer> and they eat power like no tommorow
[00:08] <hitsujiTMO> VoidWhisperer: they are certainly expensive tho. I hope they don't charge extra
[00:09] <jhutchins> VoidWhisperer: This page has a script that will load firewall rules and back them out if you don't connect within a time limit:
[00:09] <VoidWhisperer> if they do I'll pay it because it's my own fault for being a dumbass
[00:09] <jhutchins> VoidWhisperer: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html
[00:09] <jhutchins> VoidWhisperer: You could probably adapt it to ufw.
[00:10] <Vivekananda> what is multiarch support btw ?
[00:10] <VoidWhisperer> mmm
[00:10] <VoidWhisperer> probably
[00:10] <jhutchins> VoidWhisperer: It should also indicate that you're not the first one who's done this.
[00:10] <Vivekananda> will I need to install something to get it ? when I go for 64 bit ubuntu?
[00:10] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: support for multiple architectures
[00:10] <Vivekananda> how do I get it ?
[00:10] <jhutchins> Vivekananda: It's to allow things that are only available in 32b format to run.
[00:10] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: i.e. bith the intel 32bit arch and amd 64bit arc
[00:11] <TJ-> jhutchins: I think I've just discovered an enhancement feature I can add to UFW :)
[00:11] <jhutchins> Vivekananda: Many people don't need it.
[00:11] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: atm, its on by default.
[00:11] <jhutchins> Vivekananda: It's a work in progress and doesn't always work anyway.
[00:16] <GPHemsley> so... I recently installed a bunch of packages, mostly font-related: http://pastebin.ca/2643215
[00:16] <GPHemsley> now all my system fonts are screwed up
[00:16] <GPHemsley> everything—serif, sans-serif, monospace—all shows as an ugly serif font
[00:17] <Vivekananda> jhutchins: I dont want to get caught with my pants down :(
[00:17] <GPHemsley> I've reset the fonts to default (though they never changed) and rebuilt the font cache
[00:17] <Vivekananda> I have to make sure I can run these things :  I wanted to ask you if I should try 64 bit  and if I will face issues running php, python, java, android adt , mysql, mysql workbench, apache
[00:18] <GPHemsley> I assume it's some international font that somehow wormed its way into being the default for Latin script
[00:18] <GPHemsley> but I have no idea which one it could be
[00:18] <Vivekananda> and eclipse and some others I forget
[00:19] <GPHemsley> I don't know if it somehow overwrote the default Ubuntu fonts, or what
[00:20] <ubuntu13> Hey, how do you guys find out what desktop manager is running? I mean other than logging out and looking at the list
[00:20] <TJ-> GPHemsley: I'd suspect the themes causing it
[00:20] <jhutchins> Vivekananda: The main problems with 64b are usually third-party multimedia things like flash.
[00:20] <TrentH> Hello everyone.
[00:20] <GPHemsley> TJ-: Did I install any new themes? I didn't intend to...
[00:21] <jhutchins> Vivekananda: I don't know about the android stuff, as it might be 32b.
[00:21] <jhutchins> Vivekananda: The rest having been developed for use with high-end servers work fine.
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> ubuntu13: if you're running lightdm, it usually dumps the current session to ~/.dmrc
[00:21] <TJ-> ubuntu13: "echo $GDMSESSION"
[00:22] <TrentH> Do I need to enable all the Additonal Drivers for my video card to get the thing to work properly?
[00:22] <V10Energy> i need help. i installed an app that allows me to add applications to auto start and manage them via web interface.. but i forgot what it's called and i forgot what port is used. any ideas?
[00:22] <hitsujiTMO> TrentH: what card dso you have?
[00:22] <TrentH> AMD 5850
[00:23] <TrentH> It has 3 drivers availalbe, I enabled one and it was the ATL Fire GL whatever that is. So i'm downloading and enabling the scond one now.
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> trench: for 2d related stuff, stich to radeon. if you game install the fglrx
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> stick*
[00:23] <ubuntu13> TJ-, it says "ubuntu" . No "unity" or "gnome" etc
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> ubuntu13: ubuntu is the session name for unity-3d
[00:23] <TrentH> hitsujiTMO: There is one problem, I don't know which driver is which. They're listed as Video driver for AMD graphics accelerators. ATI Fire GL, Video driver for the AMD graphics accelerators
[00:24] <TrentH> It doesn't say which version or anything.
[00:24] <tiblock> Hi. Is there ubuntu distributive with MATE DE?
[00:24] <jhutchins> !mate
[00:24] <TJ-> ubuntu13: really, I suspect "ubuntu" means Unity... I'm on KDE right now and it shows "kde-plasma"
[00:24] <hitsujiTMO> tiblock: mate is not supported on ubuntu
[00:24] <tiblock> hitsujiTMO, at all? I can't even install it?
[00:25] <Nikten> Any news about ubuntu 14.04??
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> trench: sorry, i mean the radeon driver is the default open source driver. the proprietary driver is fglrx.
[00:25] <TJ-> trench?
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> !trusty | Nikten
[00:25] <TrentH> hitsujiTMO: Thanks, i'm going to give the fglrx driver a shot.
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: weird ass type :P
[00:25] <ubuntu13> TJ-, Thanks. hitsujiTMO, Thanks
[00:26] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: Oh!!! TrentH ... tab-completion deletion :)
[00:26] <hitsujiTMO> TrentH: the latest fglrx would be best if you are gaming but has poorer performance for 2d applications
[00:26] <TrentH> hitsujiTMO: I don't know which drivers are which.
[00:27] <trism> tiblock: it's in trusty I think
[00:27] <hitsujiTMO> TrentH: odd that its not giving you the version. are they even dated?
[00:27] <TrentH> It's a guessing game, lol.
[00:27] <trism> !info mate-desktop trusty | tiblock
[00:27] <TrentH> hitsujiTMO: Nope, I just opened up addtional drivers and thats what it shows.
[00:27] <tiblock> trism, thank you. But i think i will install ArchLinux then
[00:28] <V10Energy>  i installed an app that allows me to add applications to auto start and manage them via web interface.. but i forgot what it's called and i forgot what port is used. any ideas?
[00:29] <TrentH> V10Energy look in your list of installed applications?
[00:29] <V10Energy> TrentH: how? what's the command? I am using the server  version
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> V10Energy: puppet?webmin?
[00:30] <TrentH> V10Energy: The command, not sure of have to google it. Search "List all applications installed Ubuntu command line"
[00:30] <TrentH> Should take care of it.
[00:30] <V10Energy> hitsujiTMO: nope
[00:30] <hitsujiTMO> V10Energy: dpkg --get-selections
[00:31] <V10Energy> hmm
[00:31] <V10Energy> maybe it's upstart
[00:31] <V10Energy> does it have a web interface?
[00:31] <TrentH> V10Energy: What kind of program was it?
[00:32] <V10Energy> Ohhh
[00:32] <V10Energy> I found it
[00:32] <V10Energy> it's Monit
[00:32] <V10Energy> THXX! <3
[00:32] <hitsujiTMO> V10Energy: upstart is the init process. doesn't have a web interface. also needs to be scripted rather so not something that easy to manage with a webinterface
[00:32] <tvin> how can I recover data from RAM under ubuntu?
[00:33] <zilly> Is there the libglib2.0-dev would have corrupt .so files by default? This is on an ARM system with sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev.
[00:34] <hitsujiTMO> zilly: possilbe not compiled for that exact architecture
[00:34] <zilly> hitsujiTMO, I looked and it appears it is only for i386 and x64.
[00:35] <ubuntu13> tvin, RAM has volatile memory, so don't think it's recoverable.
[00:35] <hitsujiTMO> tvin: have you restarted the machine/and do you still have acess to it?
[00:38] <mcphail> zilly: libglib2.0-dev is present on my (ARM) sheevaplug running debian squeeze so it probably should be present in ubuntu. But I'm not sure how complete Ubuntu ARM support actually is these days
[00:38] <bish0p_> Anyone know a good original gameboy emulator for ubuntu?
[00:38] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: No, its images I am currently looking at in browser, but source is down and not in cache
[00:39] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: I want to save the images
[00:39] <zilly> mcphail, convenient for me [= But thank you.
[00:39] <hitsujiTMO> tvin: screenshot?
[00:39] <rww> bish0p_: I think I used visualboy advance last time
[00:39] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: No, pictures bigger then screen
[00:40] <bish0p_> rww: I tried that, and IDK how to get it working. I apt-get it, then I don't know what to do.
[00:40] <ubuntu13> tvin, just look at your browser history and follow the google's cache?
[00:40] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: So I thought maybe I could get the images from my own RAM, but how do I do it?
[00:40] <hitsujiTMO> tvin: you can't trivially grab something from the ram.
[00:41] <hitsujiTMO> tvin: find the link to the image and wget it
[00:41] <rww> bish0p_: there's a GTK+ app in the visualboyadvance-gtk package you perhaps would prefer. once you install that, the program name is gvba
[00:41] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: What do you mean by link to the image, and what do you mean wget?
[00:41] <rww> or vba for the non-GTK+ package
[00:42] <bish0p_> alright, thanks
[00:42] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: You mean the images url address?
[00:44] <techhermit> tvin: wget http://linktoimage/image.png
[00:44] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: I can't save a webpage that is down. If the website wasnt down, I wouldnt need to extract from RAM or something, I could just save it with a right click
[00:44] <ubuntu13> tvin, try google's cache
[00:44] <tvin> How?
[00:45] <ubuntu13> tvin, site:yoursite.tld
[00:45] <ejv> no backups tvin?
[00:46] <hitsujiTMO> tvin: also try archive.org
[00:46] <zilly> Can I use apt-get to install a package using a non-standard dependency? Is that possible?
[00:47] <ejv> not sure what a non-standard dependency is personally, terminology ftw
[00:47] <apb1963> I have window artifacts that persist through virtual desktops... any idea how to get ride of them witout reboting or relogging?
[00:48] <apb1963> sorry for typos... kusing old version of Kvirc (latest in repos)
[00:48] <ubuntu13> apb1963, use Xchat
[00:49] <mcphail> zilly: you can use "dpkg -i <package>" to install any random .deb file but it is rarely a good idea and will probably lead to moderate pain
[00:51] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: Nothing
[00:51] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: So you dont know of a way?
[00:51] <hitsujiTMO> tvin: sounds like you're out of luck. are you shure its not in you're cache? after all you are loking at it right now
[00:52] <apb1963> ubuntu13: ok, will try now
[00:52] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: To get it from RAM or otherwise use the image on my own PC?
[00:52] <apb1963> brb
[00:52] <pjotter> Today I discovered that my AMD videocart is no longer supported under Linux. Even though it is not even that old. So, I kind of had it with AMD. Does anybody know what would be a good videocart in general for Linux/Ubuntu? What would I be looking for?
[00:53] <tvin> hitsujiTMO: yeah, in memory near as I can tell
[00:53] <hitsujiTMO> tvin: you can't get it from ram, you can get it from cache if its there, which it should be, unless you're on some site that obfuscates the image
[00:53] <cuddylier> Has anyone attempted to use SSD cache before and knows a readable guide or a guide they made themselves?
[00:53] <ubuntu13> tvin, can you see the image now? When did you last "see" it? Before reboot?
[00:54] <TrentH> Well that sucks, just found out my mouse isn't supported in Ubuntu.
[00:54] <TrentH> GG Logitech
[00:54] <ubuntu13> TrentH, Mouse not supported? That can't be!
[00:55] <TrentH> All I want is 800dpi and "Enhanced Pointer Precision" disabled. To much to ask for Logitech?
[00:55] <TrentH> ubuntu13: I have a Logitech G400; not friendly with Ubuntu apparently. lol
[00:55] <tvin> ubuntu13: Yes, I can see the images now, I had the pages with them loaded into browser. But I got distracted and didnt save them right away, latter when I went to do so, I found it was not saving the images because the website was down, it was saving blank image files
[00:55] <hitsujiTMO> TrentH: happens all the time with logitech. I have a mouse that works windows up to vista. not compatible with windows 7+.  Not even sure how it's possible but they manage to make basic devices incompatible
[00:56] <TrentH> The mouse works fine, it's just not the DPI buttons etc.
[00:56] <TrentH> Well that's false, the DPI buttons do change how fast the mouse is moving. Is there perhaps a utility to show what DPI i'm running at?
[00:56] <tvin> ubuntu13: No reboot, I can still see them, I just can't save them. Well I can "print to file?" but that messes up the images big time, and balloons file size
[00:56] <ubuntu13> TrentH, I'm currently using the G300. YES you can use it exactly the same way you do in Win. Just use logitec software to tweak it with different presets and they will be saved in the mouse' memore and it will work the same in ANY os/pc
[00:57] <TrentH> ubuntu13: I.....don't have onboard memory. :P
[00:58] <ubuntu13> TrentH, Wait I"ll look up your mouse... in a bit
[00:58] <TrentH> ubuntu13: Thanks man; take your time i'm just downloading updates and other crap I think I might want.
[00:58] <ubuntu13> tvin, Just take screenshots and save them in your preferable format. What's the big deal anyway?
[00:58] <DeusDeceit> Hello everybody. Is it normal for a laptop to run at 50 C when the only things that run are chromium with 4 tabs open and xchat irc client?
[00:58] <tvin> image bigger then screen DeusDeceit
[00:59] <rww> DeusDeceit: yes
[00:59] <TrentH> Install Gnome; delete Unity. Ubutnu seems to have went the way of Windows8 make it tablet friendly.
[00:59] <apb1963> I have window artifacts that persist through virtual desktops... any idea how to get rid of them without rebooting or relogging?
[00:59] <ubuntu13> tvin, What browser you're using?
[00:59] <TrentH> apb1963: Install a different gfx driver?
[01:00] <mcphail> apb1963: i suspect you're not going to get rid of them without restarting X in some way
[01:00] <tvin> ubuntu13: firefox
[01:00] <TrentH> tvin: Reset firefox back to default?
[01:00] <apb1963> TrentH, elaborate please?
[01:01] <TrentH> apb1963: Open up addtional drivers and see if a different driver is available to you? That's all I can think of.
[01:01] <apb1963> mcphail, so.... what... service x restart???
[01:01] <DeusDeceit> rww, thanks, and what is the "normal" temp limits? like min/max, from running nothing to running a 3d game? (broad question but i want to know if the heat is normal)
[01:01] <TrentH> apb1963: Or restart your PC and see if that helps.
[01:01] <tvin> TrentH: Excuse me? I dont know what your saying, what does reseting my browser somehow have to do with recovering files from RAM?
[01:01] <ubuntu13> tvin, And you can see the original image but cannot save it? How can that be?
[01:01] <TrentH> tvin: You asid your picture was bigger than the rest or something?
[01:02] <TrentH> I apparently can't great, nevermind.
[01:02] <rww> DeusDeceit: depends on your hardware and graphics card, and what sensor you're measuring
[01:02] <mcphail> apb1963: unfortunately restarting x will log you out (which you didn't want to do)
[01:02] <apb1963> TrentH, Yes, rebooting will fix it... but I prefer not to reboot.... or logout.  I'm in the middle of too many things
[01:02] <apb1963> mcphail, yeah... so you're saying to logout then.
[01:02] <rww> DeusDeceit: e.g. Intel Core processors have one temp sensor per core, plus your motherboard possibly has another CPU temp sensor which will measure something different, and then there's the GPU temperatures...
[01:02] <TrentH> apb1963: Wait until your done with your things and then reboot. That's your ONLY fix.
[01:02] <tvin> ubuntu13: Because when it saves the image, it redownloads it again, don't ask me why
[01:03] <tvin> but it cant do that if the site is down
[01:03] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: What CPU do you have? And are you using a desktop or laptop?
[01:03] <mcphail> apb1963: it is the only way I ever found to fix video corruption problems
[01:03] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, Intel® Core™ i7-3537U CPU @ 2.00GHz × 4  that's my cpu and i'm on a laptop
[01:03] <ubuntu13> tvin, Would be nice to see a screenshot of your problem, if that's not a issue
[01:04] <mcphail> apb1963: the long term solution seems to be to pick a video driver which won't cause this problem in the first place
[01:04] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: Your default temps should be around 35-45c. gaming, around 50-55c. Maximum load temps should not exceed 65c. Just my recommendations.
[01:05] <TrentH> Honestly they'll probably be alot lower than that. But i'm assuming youre having it on your lap and the covers over you and it's absorbing mass amounts of heat while you youtube away.
[01:06] <rww> depends on the laptop. some are much higher than that, some are lower
[01:06] <rww> if it's an i7, I'd think higher
[01:06] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: At 62c programs usually tend to crash and the pc becomes unstable. (On AMD platforms) most Intel users use this as a benchmark for numbers though.
[01:07] <GPHemsley> OK, I figured it out: It was pango-graphite!
[01:07] <TrentH> I don't have intel, but I know when I was overclocking at 62-63c my CPU would become unstable and i'd either bluescreen or something would crash. (This was on Windows).
[01:07] <TrentH> I have a AMD Phenom II 965 @ 3.8ghz
[01:07] <DeusDeceit> I don't you tube, i do have it at my lap LOL and i do have cover, but i also have a thick paper bellow it like a table so that the air can flow around. also the main opening for the air to leave is completely  uncovered. But even when i have it on the table sometimes it goes crazy on heat, especially the summer... it went up to 80 C
[01:07] <tvin> ubuntu13: screen shot of what exactly?
[01:07] <TrentH> It's probably running hot, because I haven't cleaned it in a year. :P
[01:08] <ubuntu13> tvin, of your browser showing the image which you cannot save
[01:08] <tvin> ubuntu13: I am not sure you understand what I am talking about if you think I can screen shot it
[01:08] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: 1st generation desktop i7's are quite happy at 80C. Don't know about laptops
[01:08] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: The maximum TMP or whatever it's called is 90c + at 90c+ programs will crash, etc etc etc.
[01:08] <DeusDeceit> I don't own it for a year, and i make sure it's clean
[01:08] <VoidWhisperer> TJ- i managed to get ipmi
[01:08] <ubuntu13> tvin, I thought you said you can "see" the image but cannot save it
[01:08] <VoidWhisperer> although it's resulted in an interesting situation. \o/
[01:08] <pdave> can anyone suggest a useful programming assignment on ubuntu
[01:09] <VoidWhisperer> pdave: automate your day-to-day tasks
[01:09] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: That's for intels, generally ALL of them. So as long as you're below 90 everything is stable. But generally you have a laptop and it's going to overheat and it'll die in 3-4years anyway.
[01:09] <Kekai> is it possible to downgrade from 13.10 to 12.04 LTS?
[01:09] <pdave> ok cool
[01:09] <TrentH> Kekai: You have to reinstall. But you can copy your home folder though.
[01:09] <OerHeks> Kekai, no.
[01:09] <pdave> like maybe getting my mail or something and storing them in a file
[01:09] <tvin> ubuntu13: yes, what of it?
[01:09] <Kekai> um...
[01:09] <Kekai> Im confused
[01:10] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, so is there a way to make it heat less? some software i can use to improve that kind of stuff
[01:10] <ubuntu13> tvin, so you CAN see the original image or not?
[01:10] <pdave> or like go to the coffeeshop and buy coffee
[01:10] <Kekai> one says yes and one says no
[01:10] <rww> Kekai: downgrades are not supported. at all. regardless of version.
[01:10] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: Nope.......keep it on a flat surface
[01:10] <rww> Kekai: and nobody said yes :P
[01:10] <TrentH> Kekai: You have to reformat your pc/reinstall the OS. but you can COPY the home folder and save some of your stuff.
[01:10] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, when i'm in windows , it doesn't heat at all... that's why i'm getting suspicions that something is off here in ubuntu.
[01:11] <pdave> ubuntu is way faster than windows
[01:11] <DeusDeceit> And I prefer ubuntu 100 times
[01:11] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: Yay... what's the unusual bit?
[01:11] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: run the top cmd in term. See how much resources is being used.
[01:11] <Kekai> I just want everything gone and start fresh
[01:11] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: You could have a billion programs opened up you don't know about.
[01:11] <TrentH> Kekai: Then just install 12 from a USB. Won't take long.
[01:12] <pdave> i couldnt run anything in windows on my i3-2350m processor but ubuntu has made living possible
[01:13] <Kekai> So I can just wipe my HDD and install 12.04 LTS?
[01:13] <TrentH> My CPU is sitting at 2% usage with Unitity on 12 LTS. Also using...2.8GB of ram LMFAO
[01:13] <TrentH> Kekai: That's what you HAVE to do.
[01:13] <Kekai> ok
[01:13] <Kekai> Fuck 13.10
[01:13] <TrentH> Kekai: Goodluck!
[01:13] <Kekai> Its not my ram
[01:13] <pdave> i guess i need a coding project
[01:13] <nelseal> hi i am having a lot of trouble getting a bcm4312-lp wireless card to function properly
[01:13] <tvin> ubuntu13: I can see it
[01:14] <Kekai> Its 13.10 being  glitch fest
[01:14] <pdave> nelseal wht is the problem
[01:14] <TrentH> Kekai: I was talking to DeusDeceit about memory/cpu usage.
[01:14] <ubuntu13> tvin, Then why can you take a screenshot?
[01:14] <ubuntu13> can't
[01:14] <TrentH> Kekai: When you're on the bleeding edge of an OS. Glitches will happen.
[01:14] <nelseal> the card is listed in ifconfig and I see modules for it in lsmod, but I don't see any wireless networks listed
[01:14] <Kekai> :\
[01:14] <nelseal> and I definitely should.
[01:14] <Kekai> I just want ubuntu stable
[01:14] <TrentH> Windows 8, Vista, 7 all had these issues. Every new ubuntu release does.
[01:14] <pdave> nelseal you may need to download the firmware
[01:15] <TrentH> ElementaryOS, Mint, all the "latest" builds glitch fest.
[01:15] <Kekai> Yeah which is why Ill go down to 12.04 LTS
[01:15] <nelseal> I've made sure it's not blocked by rfkill, it was listed as being blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but I commented it out
[01:15] <Kekai> And wait a long time for 14.04 LTS
[01:15] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, are there many programs that come with ubuntu by default that a user might never use but they're still getting started on startup?  Cause this is a fresh installation.
[01:15] <pdave> look for the firmware put it in the appropriate place and then remove and reinsert the driver module
[01:15] <nelseal> pdave, I have the firmware downloaded for it using firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[01:16] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: Yep; that's it for ya.
[01:16] <pdave> ok
[01:16] <ubuntu13> TrentH, One site says that the G400 does have onboard memory. http://www.gamersedge.co.uk/2012/01/logitech-g400-review/ If that's the case then you SHOULD be able to save profiles using Logitech' Gaming Software in win
[01:16] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: Did you run TOP in the terminal?
[01:16] <cylonfrack> I'm having a really hard time trying to create a startup disk in ubuntu. I have the iso downloaded and I'm using the startup disk creator program. I choose the iso and choose the flash drive but it will not let me click "Make Startup Disk". I even tried using the Erase Disk option for the USB drive, but that didn't help.
[01:16] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, I did
[01:16] <TrentH> How much memory/cpu usage?
[01:16] <nelseal> pdave, this is part of the output of my dmesg  :    b43-phy0: Loading firmware version 666.2 (2011-02-23 01:15:07)
[01:16] <TrentH> ubuntu13: Thanks; I didn't think it had onboard. And honestly I might be running at 800dpi. I know there are programs on windows people have made to check what DPI you're running. Not sure about Ubuntu.
[01:17] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, Cpu(s):  5.2%us,  1.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 93.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.1%si,  0.0%st
[01:17] <pdave> ok did you reinsert the driver module
[01:17] <TrentH> So 5.2% usage not bad.
[01:17] <ubuntu13> TrentH, The windows software CREATES the profile which are retained in the mouse itself.
[01:17] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: When does this "heating" start up? Having firefox running etc etc.
[01:17] <VoidWhisperer> TJ- the ipmi they have has a user with 'no permissions' and a user with 'full permissions'
[01:17] <VoidWhisperer> so basically they said you can access the console and power control
[01:17] <TrentH> ubuntu13: I know, do you know of a program to check my current DPI though?
[01:18] <tvin> ubuntu13: Take a screen shot of what?
[01:18] <nelseal> pdave yes I think so. I did modprobe -r b43 && modprobe b43
[01:18] <ubuntu13> TrentH, You can tweak both dpi and polling rates
[01:18] <VoidWhisperer> but if i change any configuration things related to network and etc I will be charged a $75 administrative fee
[01:18] <pdave> ok .. seems like you're fine ..
[01:18] <TrentH> ubuntu13: from the windows software?
[01:18] <VoidWhisperer> So i basically fixed my firewall and x'd out of the tab
[01:18] <pdave> are you not able to use the device still
[01:18] <nelseal> pdave, RIGHT, so that's why I'm sitting here scratching my head. It isn't the hardware switch.
[01:18] <TJ-> VoidWhisperer: that is weird :)
[01:18] <VoidWhisperer> TJ- mhm
[01:18] <VoidWhisperer> but my server works now and i'm not going to touch ipmi again unless i need to reinstall the os
[01:18] <pdave> hmm ..
[01:19] <nelseal> pdave, no, the device shows up, the modules are loaded, but I see no wireless networks and I should see plenty. There's a wireless router about 2 feet from this machine.
[01:19] <ubuntu13> TrentH, it will retain the last used dpi. Just use whatever feels right. My mouse (g300) can store 3 dpi and 3 polling rates. I switch between those using a button on the mouse.
[01:19] <TrentH> ubuntu13: I see.
[01:20] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, Sometimes it starts while i run a game, others while i'm just browsing. and others while doing nothing really noticable... I just read about dell laptops and fan problems with ubuntu.
[01:20] <sashasparrow> hey, i'm having some problems making a game work. any help?
[01:20] <pdave> nelseal this might help .. http://askubuntu.com/questions/80402/broadcom-bcm4312-not-working
[01:20] <Kekai> smack your head in the keyboard
[01:20] <ubuntu13> TrentH, Yes, http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G400-setttings-saved-on-Mouse/td-p/885808
[01:20] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: I don't think it should have a heating problem at idle. In your bios make sure the fan is set to always run maybe?
[01:20] <Kekai> Thats how most programers make games these days
[01:21] <sashasparrow> i'm not *making* the game. just trying to play it.
[01:21] <pdave> ok .. that is strange ..
[01:21] <tvin> ubuntu13: If you mean of the images I wish to preserve, I told you, they are bigger then the screen, they would be incomplete
[01:21] <mcphail> sashasparrow: tell us about the game and the problems you are having. Then someone might be able to help
[01:22] <ubuntu13> TrentH, That url only confirms that there's memory in the mouse. I think the settings are retained
[01:22] <sashasparrow> it's a game called great personality that my friend suggested. i've tried using wine, playonlinux, basically every free software i've heard of, and i keep getting error messages.
[01:22] <TrentH> ubuntu13: It seems to have reverted back to it's default settings. I now have 5dpi settings instead of 3. lol
[01:22] <ubuntu13> tvin, Can you or can you not see the entire image in your browser?
[01:23] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, I have one last question is there a list (How To) with programs that are not absolutely necessary and how to remove them? I don't want stuff that I don't need. It's not just about heating, it's about a light system.
[01:23] <tvin> ubuntu13: If I scroll
[01:23] <mcphail> sashasparrow: if this is a Windows game, I'm afraid it isn't on topic for this channel
[01:23] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: Are you using unity desktop?
[01:23] <tvin> ubuntu13: Not all at once, too big
[01:23] <sashasparrow> okay, what channel should i go to?
[01:23] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, Yup
[01:23] <ubuntu13> tvin, So you don't know how to zoom out?
[01:24] <ubuntu13> tvin, CTRL -
[01:24] <tvin> ubuntu13: Then the picture will be smaller
[01:24] <tvin> I want it full sized
[01:25] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: Try install LXDE, KDE, Gnome. That should make your laptop use less resources.
[01:25] <sashasparrow> i guess i'll just look it up
[01:25] <ubuntu13> tvin, I just want to see the "problem" you are having in saving the image which you can SEE.
[01:25] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: Then google "How to make Ubuntu faster by disabling services" and that will get you off to speed on boosting things too.
[01:26] <DeusDeceit> TrentH, I will. Thanks for your time :)
[01:26] <ubuntu13> tvin, The image is in your browser's cache. Go there and copy it.
[01:27] <TrentH> DeusDeceit: No problem, after you install Gnome or something you have to restart. And it will ask you which DE(Desktop Enviroment) you want to use. You can revert back anytime by logging out and changing it.
[01:27] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: it would be a shame if you had to switch to a low-resource distro when you're running an i7...
[01:27] <kdworak> hello
[01:27] <TrentH> mcphail: He just doesn't want his laptop to overheat.
 DeusDeceit: Then google "How to make Ubuntu faster by disabling services" and that will get you off to speed on boosting things too.
[01:28] <Kekai> Preaload helps
[01:28] <TrentH> Yeah, that program too. lol
[01:28] <Kekai> its a daemon that loads up apps at startup
[01:28] <icedwater> Hello! Sometimes when I open or close LibreOffice Calc/Impress, windows on other workspaces get dumped onto a single one. Has this happened to others before?
[01:28] <kdworak> hello everyone, can anyone explain what this means: "root's path should never include the current directory (./)" ??
[01:29] <Chaser> Hi, I was trying to install ubuntu 12.04 LTS on a vmware workstation. Tried configuring a static IP address via Network Manager. Was able to add IP address, network mask, and gateway, how ever as soon as I try to enter DNS server addresses the save button greys out. The save button greys out unless I enter a DNS server with in the same network subnet as IP which I find it strange.
[01:29] <mcphail> TrentH: switching desktop environment isn't a very robust fix
[01:29] <tvin> ubuntu13: yeah but I dont know how to screen shot it for you, and no, it isnt in my browser cache that I can see
[01:29] <TrentH> mcphail: It gets rin of unitity bloatware though. :D
[01:30] <kdworak> hello everyone, can anyone explain what this means: "root's path should never include the current directory (./)" ??
[01:30] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, To be honest I don't really need much out of an OS so i wouldn't mind switching. Just a browser and the ability to run 3D apps. the rest for me is console/vim/e.t.c .e.t.c
[01:30] <Pici> kdworak: roots $PATH should never contain .
[01:30] <ubuntu13> tvin, How do you know it's not in the cache?
[01:30] <mcphail> TrentH: running Unity on an old AMD 3700+ with no problems ;)
[01:31] <kdworak> Pici, so when im in root and i want to go to cd into / to never use . infront of it??
[01:31] <nelseal> pdave, it appears that the b43legacy driver is enabled when I took a look at /var/log/jockey.log
[01:31] <TrentH> mcphail: You don't count.
[01:31] <icedwater> kdworak: no, it just means that root should not be able to run stuff in the current directory.
[01:31] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, btw, i do think that unity is the best desktop ever. I'm so accustomed to it's shortcuts that, THAT would be a shame indeed to give away.
[01:31] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: if you're running vim I assume you're a developer and, if you're a developer, you're going to need something which is stable when compiling...
[01:31] <icedwater> Unless explicitly stated.
[01:32] <kdworak> icedwater hmm i think i get it
[01:32] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: are the fans coming on as the laptop heats up?
[01:32] <kdworak> so basically there should be nothing executable when in /
[01:33] <icedwater> No, there can be. You just don't want to run it by default, especially as root.
[01:33] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, the fans seem to have a life of their own, sometimes they start and then they never stop
[01:33] <kdworak> oh ok
[01:33] <kdworak> ok that makes enough sense for now
[01:33] <kdworak> im on chapter 1 of lpic lol
[01:33] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, but the heat remains. And when that happens... omg, THAT NOISE :/
[01:33] <kdworak> thx for the anwsers!
[01:34] <icedwater> For instance, if you accidentally download a program called bash which does dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda into your main directory...
[01:34] <ubuntu13> tvin, just zoom out so the entire image fits in the browser. Then press the PrtScr button on your keyboard. Then the image will get saved in your preferred location. Or you could paste it in your image editor and then save it. Then upload it to any image hosting site and share the url here
[01:34] <icedwater> Try to get it executed as a normal user and you get slapped in the face. Metaphorically.
[01:35] <kdworak> got it
[01:35] <icedwater> If you sudo and do something there, and accidentally run that program..
[01:35] <icedwater> So you should be allowed to do what you want, but only if it is what you want.
[01:35] <Icehawk78> After a reboot, my system details shows no graphics card listed and under the graphics section, it lists nothing for a driver, and fallback for the experience. The card is still working as a display, but nothing requiring OpenGL or anything similar will load, and running anything related to fglrx gives me errors. (Running 12.04/Radeon HD 3450 gfx)
[01:35] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: not good. what is the laptop model?
[01:35] <kdworak> alright ill just remember not to do it
[01:35] <icedwater> i.e. Linux always assumes "this is what you want, OK." instead of assuming you don't know better.
[01:35] <icedwater> :P
[01:36] <kdworak> yeah +y for the win
[01:36] <maph> can anyone help to install ubuntu on an EUFI machine?
[01:36] <kdworak> thanks icedwater!
[01:36] <maph> it has been a while since i purchased a new computer
[01:36] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, dell inspiron 17r 5721
[01:36] <maph> i didnt realize they changed the boot chips
[01:37] <maph> hello?
[01:37] <OerHeks> !uefi
[01:38] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: you on latest BIOS?
[01:38] <Xuisce> !india
[01:38] <Xuisce> ah
[01:38] <Xuisce> :)
[01:38] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, yes
[01:38] <maph> ok great. how do configure another boot option besides windows8
[01:38] <maph> my USB DVD is not showing up
[01:38] <wiak> i need a little help
[01:39] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, the thing is that whatever i describe here is only when i run ubuntu. Thats why I came here to find a solution. I don't think it's the laptop itself
[01:39] <wiak> do anyone know what can *hang* ubuntu after login screen?
[01:39] <wiak> i only get wallpaper and mouse, no gui
[01:39] <wiak> using ubuntu studio 13.10 amd64, happend after apt-get upgrade
[01:39] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, I did google about it, I can see others with the same issues, but there's no solution that actually does it. at least i haven't found one.
[01:40] <basketball> i have an iso file at /home/harris/Downloads/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso
[01:40] <basketball> how do i burn that to a dvd to make a live disk
[01:40] <apb1963> mcphail, how do I find a video driver that won't cause this problem?   I'm using a Radeon X300 Card, RV370 with OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4
[01:40] <maph> how do you enter a new boot option for a USB CDrom in EUFI?
[01:41] <tvin> ubuntu13: Doesn't prntscr save to clipboard? Again if I zoomed out I would be shrinking the image, I want it full sized
[01:41] <Kekai> no
[01:41] <basketball> using terminal
[01:42] <Kekai> You need to Printscrn, the click "Copy to clipboard"
[01:42] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: I think the biggest question is whether it is an Ubuntu issue or a Linux-in-general issue. A quick bit of googling here suggests Dell are washing their hands...
[01:42] <tvin> so what does printcrn do if not copy to clipboard? and where do I click this copy to clipboard?
[01:42] <maph> how in the heck do you boot from a USB CDrom with a new school EUFI laptop?
[01:43] <tvin> kekai
[01:43] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, from what i read there's a kernel issue. but some say they fixed it with one or another way. I tried stuff, the problem is still here.
[01:43] <ubuntu13> tvin, the image won't die if you take a screenshot. If you don't want to do that then just get it from cache. If you need help with using firefox then please visit #firefox
[01:43] <maph> there is no option to boot anything other than win8
[01:43] <XHEART24> Hi everyone, Can a video card Quadro 600 Nvidia work on a Dell optiplex 2.o memory, intel celeron 2.40ghz, graphics intel 865g x86/mmx/sse2 32 bit OS disk 38.3?
 so what does printcrn do if not copy to clipboard? and where do I click this copy to clipboard?
[01:43] <mcphail> apb1963: you're not going to like my suggestion, I suspect. I moved away from ATi/AMD altogether to nvidia because of the constant screen corruption issues on both the open source and proprietary drivers
[01:44] <tvin> Kekai: Why are you parroting me?
[01:44] <Kekai> Depending on what version you have, tvin, Prntscrn can do many things. it will bring up a menu  ater the screenshot is taken.
[01:44] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: do you have a link?
[01:44] <luxgeek> Hey all, BIG problem. need to use monodevelop and was having problems getting it to work after installing it from cli...so I used synapitc to uninstall everything monodevelop AND mono and just reinstalled monodevelop from cli and let it install whatever it needed...
[01:44] <Kekai> tvin: here you can save to your PC or copy to clipboard
[01:44] <ulkesh> mcphail: agreed, i just bought a geforce 780gtx just for its better support at this point
[01:44] <luxgeek> but I'm still getting: Unhandled Exception:
[01:44] <luxgeek> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'Mono.Addins, Version=0.6.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its dependencies.
[01:45] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, for solutions?
[01:45] <mcphail> DeusDeceit: the link to the page about the kernel issue would be good
[01:45] <luxgeek> So I went and installed pretty much everything libmono-addins (even the dev stuff) and am still getting this error...I've googled this and am mot finding any solutions...
[01:46] <XHEART24> quadro works well with ubuntu 12.04lts?
[01:46] <XHEART24> quadro 600 video card
[01:46] <luxgeek> really need help here...I need monodevelop for doing school projects...in c#
[01:46] <king_huon> mono is the dot net on linunx thingy?
[01:46] <king_huon> lol
[01:46] <king_huon> goods lucks!
[01:47] <ulkesh> luxgeek: while I've seen mono work fine on linux, it may be better to run a virtual machine running windows and just use visual studio on that
[01:47] <luxgeek> king_huon: yeah...I've had it working on several diff installs...even an older ubuntu 12
[01:47] <maph> i dont have any options to boot from DVD in this EUFI
[01:47] <DeusDeceit> mcphail, this is not the page that i am talking about but just a random one with similar stuff, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=955361 dell again different model tho.
[01:47] <mcphail> XHEART24: looks as if the Quadro 600 has been supported in the proprietary linux drivers since 2010 so should be good
[01:47] <luxgeek> ulkesh: Bite your tongue sir! How can you even utter a reference to MS in this forum! :P
[01:48] <ulkesh> luxgeek: because it's practical for your situation :)
[01:48] <maph> please help me or i will be stuck with w8
[01:48] <king_huon> :(
[01:48] <XHEART24> mcphail, did you get to see my pc specs?
[01:48] <luxgeek> ulkesh: Besides, I've never had this problem running it before now...I've installed and used it on many different linux installations...
[01:48] <king_huon> I would try and instlal mono the way the mono site itself step by steps it
[01:48] <ulkesh> luxgeek: then i'm sorry i can't help, and good luck
[01:48] <king_huon> attention to detail
[01:48] <king_huon> can help
[01:48] <XHEART24> i also have a dell monitor not lcd
[01:49] <ulkesh> maph: could you instead make a bootable USB drive of the install and try booting to that instead?
[01:49] <luxgeek> ulkesh: I would rather use stone and chisel than ANY MS product...unless there's absolutely, positively irreconcilably any other solution...
[01:49] <maph> nothing is in the boot options except windows secure boot
[01:49] <tvin> prntscrn can do many things, like copy stuff not shown on screen?
[01:50] <luxgeek> king_huon: But that is the non-package way and often breaks stuff...but if I must I must eh? :/
[01:50] <maph> why wouldnt the DVD even come up in the bios?
[01:50] <maph> please dont tell me they lock out other OSs now
[01:50] <king_huon> hey
[01:50] <ulkesh> luxgeek: yet you're using a MS-based product in school...i'm not going to discuss this in this room, it's fine you don't like MS, but sometimes you need to be practical to yield a solution...good luck with your mono issue
[01:50] <king_huon> always go with projects own tested way
[01:50] <mcphail> XHEART24: please ask in the channel rather than /msg. Thanks
[01:50] <ubuntu13> tvin, how old are you?
[01:50] <luxgeek> ulkesh: Sorry, I have used VS some last semester but it is SUCH a pain to run a VM since their such a resource hog...
[01:50] <king_huon> never get hung up ona distros way
[01:50] <XHEART24> ok
[01:51] <king_huon> gods i love myself
[01:51] <ulkesh> maph: you probably need to see if you can disable that windows secure boot option (if possible)
[01:51] <mcphail> XHEART24: what is your question...?
[01:51] <maph> i did
[01:51] <luxgeek> ulkesh: No I don't use it in school...I bting my laptop and use my own stuff :)
[01:51] <luxgeek> * I bring my
[01:51] <XHEART24> do you think the quadro nvdia video card can improve the video visual on my pc?
[01:51] <ulkesh> luxgeek: my point is that you're learning C#, an MS product...offtopic so i'll be done now
[01:52] <mcphail> XHEART24: depends what you need it for but it should offer advantages over the intel graphics in most situations
[01:52] <luxgeek> ulkesh: I hear ya. I wouldn't be if it wasn't a required course. Believe me.
[01:53] <maph> launch CSM is enabled, secure boot is disabled
[01:53] <XHEART24> ok thank you mcphail for the help! this channel always helps me and thank to you guys I have been able to work with Ubuntu. Thank you all on the support team!
[01:53] <apb1963> mcphail, hmm... driver says it's fully supported... so sad :(
[01:53] <maph> i dont understand... all the tutorials show a USB option showing up
[01:53] <apb1963> mcphail, can I restart kwin w/out making a mess?  How?
[01:54] <ulkesh> maph: i've heard of some manufacturers locking the system down to secure uefi...i'm not sure if there's a solution (assuming that's your issue)...i'll leave it to more experienced help here, but i would suggest if for some reason the DVD isn't bootable, to try a USB drive...just an option
[01:54] <king_huon> I love iceWM reiserFS and the firefox!
[01:54] <king_huon> :)
[01:54] <king_huon> balanced trees!
[01:54] <ulkesh> maph: meaning USB stick (not USB DVD drive)
[01:54] <maph> i dont even know if i have one
[01:55] <mcphail> apb1963: "supported" and "AMD graphics" are mutually exclusive, I'm afraid. Their drivers are awful on Linux and barely any better on Windows IMHO
[01:55] <ulkesh> maph: gotcha, well was only an option
[01:55] <XHEART24> +
[01:56] <camtheman256> I've got a problem with logging in to to Ubuntu GNOME. GDM is unresponsive, and I can't do anything
[01:57] <camtheman256> The mouse and keyboard are unresponsive, but everything else seems fine
[01:57] <mcphail> camtheman256: how can you tell...?
[01:58] <camtheman256> mcphail: that the mouse and keyboard are unresponsive?
[01:58] <mcphail> camtheman256: no -that everything else is fine!
[01:58] <camtheman256> mcphail: well, they work in the BIOS.
[01:58] <camtheman256> mcphail: ohh, I know because the screensaver appears to work
[01:59] <camtheman256> mcphail: and when I hold the power button for 2 seconds the screen turns on again
[01:59] <mcphail> camtheman256: does ctrl-alt-f2 take you to a terminal?
[01:59] <camtheman256> mcphail: nope, tried that
[01:59] <EaterOfLettuces>  I can't click at the boxes from the flash player settings.
[01:59] <apb1963> mcphail, amazing... restarting kwin doesn't fix it
[01:59] <EaterOfLettuces>  How can I fix that?
[01:59] <mcphail> camtheman256: what about Magic-SysRq keys? does ctrl-sysrq-REISUB reboot?
[02:00] <mcphail> *alt
[02:00] <ulkesh> EaterOfLettuces: sometimes the focus doesn't work right in the Flash Player settings control panel, you  may have to click away, then click in again (at least in the past I've seen that work)
[02:00] <camtheman256> mcphail: I don't think I have an sysrq key. or else I don't know what you're talking about
[02:00] <EaterOfLettuces>  Not working.
[02:00] <EaterOfLettuces>  And I can't tab into the accept button.
[02:00] <EaterOfLettuces>  I need to give permission for the site to access my phone/camera.
[02:01] <ulkesh> EaterOfLettuces: oh this is on a phone?
[02:01] <mcphail> camtheman256: print-screen does the same thing: http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[02:01] <EaterOfLettuces>  Nope, laptop.
[02:01] <kostkon> EaterOfLettuces, known problem in unity, use the web version of the flash settings manager. google "flash settings manager"
[02:01] <camtheman256> mcphail: oh, right the sysrq key
[02:01] <camtheman256> mcphail: I know what you mean
[02:01] <ulkesh> EaterOfLettuces, kostkon: my apologies, I thought he was referring to the web version :)
[02:01] <camtheman256> mcphail: so, ctrl-sysrq- and then what?
[02:01] <king_huon> anyone here hit that numa momogdb linux wal yet?
[02:01] <king_huon> woooo nellly
[02:02] <king_huon> I knew I wasnt lying when I said try freebsd
[02:02] <kostkon> ulkesh, no need to apologise for that :P
[02:02] <mcphail> camtheman256: (don't do this on the machine you're typing from...) hold alt-sysrq then press REISUB slowly
[02:03] <ResQue> where can i find more info on the linux and initrd commands that is used to start linux? i would like to know how to use them correctly and why different distros seems to have different arguments
[02:03] <camtheman256> mcphail: no i'm not typing from the computer that is broken, but ok. I'll try that. so, alt-sysreq-R-E-I-S-U-B?
[02:03] <king_huon> ResQue: in the dont worry about it dictionary
[02:03] <mcphail> camtheman256: yep. Keep alt-sysrq held down throughout
[02:03] <Vivekananda> I have an OS freshly installed and all set
[02:03] <camtheman256> mcphail: ok, trying now....
[02:04] <Vivekananda> is there a way I can copy it somewhere so later on if I dont like the new install I can copy it back with all the present settings ?
[02:04] <camtheman256> mcphail: do i need to hold the REISUB too?
[02:04] <EaterOfLettuces>   The web setting manager is not doing anything fo rme.
[02:04] <mcphail> camtheman256: just press them one at a time quite slowly
[02:05] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: you can dd/clone the drive/partition
[02:05] <basketball> hey when i am using startup disk creater why wont my dvd show up
[02:05] <king_huon> try crdtools
[02:05] <pvl1> hey all. im trying to find and add the intel corp root ca. i dont know how to do either. ive googled for the ca but im not getting any hits
[02:05] <king_huon> er whats the dvd verion of that? i forogts
[02:05] <kostkon> Eagleman, might be blocked by firefox. click on the shield icon in the address bar to unblock it
[02:05] <basketball> oh never mind
[02:05] <kostkon> oops
[02:05] <camtheman256> mcphail: no luck. computer went into screensaver before i had the chance to do it, so im rebooting to try agian
[02:05] <kostkon> EaterOfLettuces, ^^
[02:05] <basketball> glitsj16,  are you on
[02:06] <camtheman256> mcphail: didn't work before
[02:06] <mcphail> camtheman256: screensaver shouldn't stop it working. If you're computer doesn't reboot when you type that sequence it is fair to assume the keyboard is being completely ignored
[02:07] <camtheman256> mcphail: didnt work. seems that it is being ignored
[02:07] <hitsujiTMO> camtheman256: one thing to do is try the sequence again... but do it slowly
[02:08] <mcphail> camtheman256: the next step would be to check dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any clues. Can you ssh into the machine?
[02:08] <camtheman256> no, but I have a recovery disk
[02:08] <EaterOfLettuces>  Now chrome is not working and I can't test another browser.
[02:08] <camtheman256> mcphail: that I can use to browse the file system
[02:09] <JohnBobSmith> hello everyone.
[02:09] <camtheman256> mcphail: dang, I should've installed xrdp. haha. then i could rdp into the machine
[02:09] <mcphail> camtheman256: Ha!
[02:09] <JohnBobSmith> I have installed Ubuntu Server 12.04, everything works, I just don't know what to do from there.
[02:09] <JohnBobSmith> I have Xubuntu installed
[02:09] <JohnBobSmith> as the GUI
[02:09] <camtheman256> hitsujiTMO: I'll do the sequence again SLOWLY. real slowly
[02:09] <JohnBobSmith> How would I set this up for websites?
[02:09] <Stainedhat> JohnBobSmith: install apache or nginx
[02:09] <mcphail> camtheman256: i'm afraid I'm going to have to go to bed as it's 2am here but hopefully someone can take you forward if you can get a copy of the log files
[02:10] <camtheman256> mcphail: ok thx
[02:10] <JohnBobSmith> I have LAMP installed (Linux, apache, MySQL, and PHP) but I dont know how to configure it I guess
[02:11] <Stainedhat> JohnBobSmith: Place your files in /var/www/ then browse to them by using either your servers hostname or it's IP address
[02:11] <JohnBobSmith> okay
[02:11] <JohnBobSmith> thats it?
[02:11] <JohnBobSmith> also, how do i secure the server?
[02:12] <JohnBobSmith> I want it to be public, having acess to the internet on port 80, but everything else needs to be locked down.
[02:12] <Stainedhat> JohnBobSmith: No, there is a LOT more to running webservers and securing the server is a much larger process that requires some experience with PHP, MySql, iptables (firewall), and file permissions
[02:13] <Stainedhat> JohnBobSmith: Join ##security or #networking for help in those areas
[02:14] <basketball> TJ-,
[02:15] <mrdeb> yes hi
[02:15] <mrdeb> i am here
[02:15] <king_huon> anyone here a project based linux consultant? can reccomend a site to find projects?
[02:18] <pfifo> VLC pauses for a few nanoseconds between tracks, how can I get that to stop
[02:18] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | king_huon try ##linux   such a question of off topic for this channel
[02:20] <king_huon> k
[02:21] <camtheman256> In my var/log/Xorg.0.log, it says its 'evdev' is configuring my power button as a keyboard
[02:21] <camtheman256> I'm not really sure how evdev would think to configure my power button as a keyboard
[02:23] <JesseH> Having an issue, it seems that I can't read the files on the DVDs I have. I put the thing in and it says "Blank Disc" or something like that.
[02:24] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: hmm I mightdo just that
[02:24] <Vivekananda> once I finish troubleshooting a few problems
[02:24] <maph> so i found a USB pen, and i followed the directions on your support pagem which offered a windows app, which apparently does not work well in WINE
[02:24] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: clonezilla is a popular tool for such
[02:24] <xangua> JesseH: you mean movie dvd's¿
[02:25] <maph> how do you make a bootable usb pen ?
[02:25] <Vivekananda> yes I have an external drive and I will dd the os on it
[02:25] <Vivekananda> and then install the 64 bit
[02:25] <Vivekananda> can I dd the os while running it ?
[02:25] <JesseH> xangua, I can't see any files on these. And no like DVDs you get at walmart.
[02:25] <JesseH> Blank ones
[02:25] <hitsujiTMO> Vivekananda: no. you need to be another environment for imaging
[02:26] <Beldar> maph, what are you trying to boot with the pen?
[02:27] <Vivekananda> shoot
[02:32] <nelseal> I am having a horrible time trying to get a BCM4312-LPPHY wireless card working with 12.04
[02:33] <nelseal> Is anyone here an expert with this kind of thing, I really need some help.
[02:33] <Beldar> !broadcom | nelseal
[02:34] <nelseal> Beldar, I've been through a ton of that stuff.
[02:34] <Beldar> nelseal, helps than to say what you tried already and the problems you are having.
[02:34] <nelseal> This problem is something deeper, something I'm missing or don't have the expertise to recognize.
[02:34] <fhenning09> Hello guys, my issue is very simple I have managed to figure out how to get pipelight working in chrome /w chromecast but having trouble finding where and how to edit and configure my iptables for uPnP so Netflix will work via chromecast extension in chrome browser keep getting connection unsupported error google led me to this : http://tinyurl.com/kygnr5c
[02:35] <tru23> Hi all, I'm having a problem with installing 13.10. I'm only having a black screen, even using any kind of modeset, acpi and apci settings
[02:35] <nelseal> I've tried going the STA route with Broadcom drivers, I've tried using the open source stuff
[02:35] <cuddylier> What is the best way to see my current read/write load?
[02:36] <cuddylier> For my Hard Drive
[02:36] <tru23> 12.10 works fine with nomodeset, and i cant seem to find out why
[02:36] <tru23> 12.04* sryx
[02:38] <Vivekananda> hitsujiTMO: I am following instructoins here ( not really completely ubuntu ) http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/114 . I executed command 3. Should it do something ? I did not see anything happen
[02:39] <Vivekananda> or anyone else if you care to, please respond
[02:40] <Stainedhat> cuddylier: maybe try vmstat?
[02:41] <Pici> Vivekananda: for most linux commands, no output means that it worked.  you typically only get something back if something unexpected happened.
[02:41] <maph> thank you baby!
[02:41] <cuddylier> I did 'iotop' however it shows disk read as 0 constantly whenever I know files are being read..
[02:41] <cuddylier> Is that normal?
[02:41] <Vivekananda> Pici: I ran that command ( no 3) and in the partitioned drive I dont see any new files
[02:41] <maph> ok, the USB pen works
[02:41] <Vivekananda> should I see any grub files?
[02:42] <tru23> Vivekananda are you trying to create a flash drive with multiple distros on it?
[02:42] <Vivekananda> tru23: yes :)
[02:42] <Vivekananda> I want ubuntu 32 and 64 bits
[02:42] <Pici> Vivekananda: from the instructions it is installing it into the mbr, you won't see that by doing an ls on it
[02:42] <Vivekananda> and one or two others
[02:42] <tru23> Vivekananda wouldn't this do the work? (not tried it under linux though)
[02:42] <tru23> Vivekananda http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[02:43] <tru23> at the bottom you see the .deb package
[02:43] <Vivekananda> yes and this app is just a little advanced ( as they claim) of that
[02:44] <Vivekananda> tru23: also I was hoping to create a flash drive that install an os on a new system
[02:44] <Vivekananda> whether or not it can run it is fine by me
[02:45] <tru23> or there's another one here http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[02:45] <tru23> it's a similar thing, runs under linux
[02:47] <Vivekananda> tru23: did you look at my link too ? It claims a few things and I liked  it so using it
[02:47] <Vivekananda> nothing wrong with mine too right ?
[02:48] <tru23> I'm reading through it
[02:49] <Kekai> hello
[02:49] <Kekai> My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS live USB freezes at the "Try Ubuntu/Instal ubuntu screen."
[02:49] <tru23> It looks okay, but I always try to find a GUI solution, less chance to fail:D
[02:52] <Kekai> My Ubuntu 12.04 LTS live USB freezes at the "Try Ubuntu/Instal ubuntu screen." Any Idea why>
[02:52] <Kekai> I used the Startup disk creator
[02:53] <z1haze> is it possible, if im moving servers to transfer all of my information from 1 box to the next?
[02:53] <z1haze> without having to worry about uploading it on my terrible upload
[02:53] <Vivekananda> tru23: lol
[02:54] <xjkx> [FTP] I have my files in /home/user/public_html which is all the files of my website (no I dont run the site on my machine) so when lets say I change a banner.jpeg, when I go to filezilla, it doesn't know I modified this banner.jpeg ! So I have to send it manually. But what if I changed more and forgot what ? Now I gotta send the whole folder just so I have it updated as I want. Isn't there a smart way to deal with this ? Like ubuntuone, or dropbox, that files a
[02:54] <Vivekananda> then you belong to window land . not for using the gui but for saying gui is less likely to fail than cli
[02:54] <Vivekananda> :)
[02:55] <Vivekananda> before I log out and try my new flash drive
[02:56] <Vivekananda> please tell me someone how to reset homescreen preferences and stuff. the problem is my homescreen is showing /home/user/  rather than /home/user/Desktop  and also Deskto/ is gone form my nautilus sidebar
[02:58] <Kekai> May I receive some help?
[03:00] <Vivekananda> Kekai: did you verify the checksum
[03:00] <Kekai> how do I do that?
[03:00] <Kekai> i forgot
[03:00] <Vivekananda> I mean did you create it from your running system
[03:00] <Vivekananda> or
[03:00] <Vivekananda> from an iso
[03:01] <Kekai> I downloaded an iso from the site for 12.04 LTS and used the startup disk creator
[03:01] <Kekai> It just hangs at the try ubuntu screen for a long time then freezes
[03:01] <blueingr1ss> Hi, Have anyone installed USB Disk ChromeOS from ubuntu?
[03:02] <SchrodingersScat> !anyone | blueingr1ss
[03:03] <phuh> Question: Bitbucket is free, github costs a bit. Is there a strong reason for an enterprise to host their code on GitHub over Bitbucket?
[03:03] <miseria> "ajedrez batalla entre negros y blancos, al final del final el blanco no tendra peones y el negro prevalecera" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[03:04] <Vivekananda> Kekai: I am not very knowledgeable about this stuff
[03:04] <Vivekananda> as am still learning
[03:04] <Vivekananda> but it might be that your download was corrupt
[03:04] <Vivekananda> for future ref always check an OS iso download
[03:04] <Kekai> I am trying to redownload it
[03:04] <Vivekananda> okay
[03:04] <Vivekananda> once it is done
[03:05] <Vivekananda> what is the os you are running right now ?
[03:05] <Kekai> Ubuntu 13.10
[03:05] <Kekai> I am gonna wipe my HDD
[03:05] <SchrodingersScat> !info md5sum | Kekai
[03:06] <Kekai> So what can I do?
[03:08] <SchrodingersScat> !info coreutils | Kekai
[03:08] <SchrodingersScat> Kekai: anyway, md5sum /foo/bar/file.iso will give you the md5sum, and if the site uses a different hash then you can try that too with sha*sum, etc.
[03:09] <Kekai> im not a geek, so try to dumb this down as possible
[03:09] <Kekai> im sorry, im really confused
[03:09] <Bashing-om> Kekai: ->https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM ...
[03:10] <blueingr1ss> ubottu, i can't find any documents about that....
[03:11] <blueingr1ss> ubottu, 1+3= ?
[03:11] <blueingr1ss> ubottu, usb chromeOS how to...
[03:12] <SchrodingersScat> !botabuse | ubottu
[03:12] <Vivekananda> Kekai: basically you try to ascertain if the downloaded iso is good
[03:12] <Kekai> okay
[03:12] <Vivekananda> so you open a terminal and type : md5sum  my.iso
[03:12] <SchrodingersScat> blueingr1ss: that last one was actually meant for you, but anyway, what's your actual question? what are you trying to do? what stage are you on? whats going on?
[03:13] <Vivekananda> where my.iso should refer to your iso . it can be like /home/user/my.iso
[03:13] <Bashing-om> Kekai: ->https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[03:13] <Vivekananda> then you press enter and allow it a little time and then a big hash ( alphanumeric long string) will show
[03:13] <Kekai> I get that much from the site
[03:14] <Kekai> and I use the webpage to look up the hash
[03:14] <SchrodingersScat> Kekai: do they match?
[03:14] <Vivekananda> now you compare that to the correct one from here --- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes . also going with the latest is the advice
[03:14] <Vivekananda> ut I personally would say go with lts coz I do that
[03:14] <Kekai> idk Im still downloading
[03:14] <Vivekananda> and it has longer support
[03:14] <Kekai> I am using the LTS
[03:14] <Kekai> thats what I am going for
[03:15] <Vivekananda> 13.10 is not lts 12.04 is
[03:15] <Kekai> I loved LTS becuase it ran smooth on this netbook
[03:15] <Kekai> I know
[03:15] <Kekai> I am wiping this netbook and putting LTS on it
[03:15] <genious> LTS is the best
[03:15] <Kekai> By the time Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is outdated
[03:15] <Kekai> I assume Ill have a new high end computer
[03:16] <Kekai> well I have $200
[03:16] <Kekai> so..
[03:17] <Vivekananda> lol sure you might have money cozlts has still a couple of years to go
[03:17] <genious> i spent 200 on a thinkpad x300
[03:17] <genious> im running lts on it
[03:17] <Kekai> Im savng up a couple grand for a 1TB HDD with 12GB ram
[03:17] <genious> it is soooooo smooth
[03:17] <Kekai> I have a steam library
[03:17] <Kekai> well one game
[03:17] <con-man> how do I hide the sidebar in ubuntu but on just one monitor?
[03:17] <Vivekananda> anyone care to tell me how to correct my problem  ?  please tell me someone how to reset homescreen preferences and stuff. the problem is my homescreen is showing /home/user/  rather than /home/user/Desktop  and also Deskto/ is gone form my nautilus sidebar
[03:20] <psusi> Kekai, 12.04 will be outdated when 14.04 lts comes out in 2 months
[03:20] <Kekai> but its supported till 2017
[03:20] <psusi> sure... but outdated
[03:20] <genii> psusi: However, it will still be supported for 3 more years
[03:20] <Kekai> thats what people said about XP when vista came
[03:20] <herpderphurr> Vivekananda: I think you can mess with your bookmarks in Bookmarks -> Edit Bookmarks
[03:20] <Kekai> but then people ran back to Vista because problems
[03:20] <blueingr1ss> SchrodingersScat, need some document/guide to install ChromeOS from ubuntu to a USB disk. thanks.
[03:21] <Kekai> So peoples versions of outdated mean nothing to me
[03:21] <viper_67> Vivekananda, you could try  to reset unity
[03:21] <Kekai> if it works properly, its not outdated
[03:22] <genious> kekai true
[03:22] <herpderphurr> Hey everyone. I use ecryptfs, and I've noticed that it gets auto-unmounted while I'm logged in every once in a while. How do I stop it from auto-unmounting unless I log out or with ecryptfs-unmount-private?
[03:22] <Kekai> XP was "Outdated" when vista came out
[03:22] <Kekai> but Vista was borked
[03:22] <Kekai> so people used XP
[03:22] <Kekai> 14.04 can be broken for a long while
[03:22] <Vivekananda> viper_67: isnt there a simple setting like ( someone was telling me ) a .gnome or .something file that I can remove and the homescreen settings would reset
[03:23] <Vivekananda> it is only homescreen that is bad
[03:23] <Vivekananda> the rest is working fine
[03:23] <Kekai> just because its new doesn't mean fixed and raring to go
[03:23] <viper_67> Vivekananda, open a terminal by pressing ctl+alt+t and type sudo unity --reset
[03:24] <viper_67> Vivekananda, that should solve those issues
[03:24] <Vivekananda> hmmm okay lemme try
[03:24] <viper_67> Vivekananda, it restores unity back to default settings and desn't mess with your files
[03:25] <Kekai> SO my MD5sum matches up
[03:26] <Kekai> now what?
[03:26] <Kekai> do I use the startup disk creator to make a Live USB?
[03:27] <genious> yes
[03:27] <genious> kekai
[03:28] <Kekai> Hopefully it works this time
[03:31] <viper_67> Vivekananda, did that fix your desktop and icon issues?
[03:36] <con-man> how do I hide the sidebar in ubuntu but on just one monitor?
[03:37] <con-man> !ubotut
[03:37] <con-man> !ubotu
[03:37] <con-man> !ubotu | botabuse
[03:37] <con-man> !ubottu | botabuse
[03:37] <glitsj16> con-man: you can do that with ccsm (compizconfig-settings-manager), you need to install it if you haven't already: sudo apt-get install compiz-config-settings-manager .. run it: ccsm .. and look for the Unity Plugin .. 2nd tab 'Launcher' and look for the 'Hide Launcher' and 'Launcher Monitors' entrees to set it up the way you like .. just be carefull in ccsm, if you're not happy with the changes, use the reset icon next to each setting
[03:38] <glitsj16> *sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:39] <gustav> Hello, hello. What's a video service that works on Ubuntu?
[03:39] <gustav> Movies...
[03:39] <con-man> glitsj16, cheers
[03:39] <glitsj16> np
[03:42] <Vivekananda> I tried unity --reset
[03:42] <Vivekananda> still am getting /home/ shown instead of Desktop/
[03:42] <Vivekananda> viper_67:
[03:44] <viper_67> Vivekananda, unity --reset-icons
[03:45] <viper_67> Vivekananda, or you could reinstall unity all together
[03:46] <Vivekananda> viper_67: hmm
[03:46] <Vivekananda> yes that is a solution but I am about to attempt an install of a 64 bit ubuntu
[03:46] <Vivekananda> let us se ehow that goes
[03:47] <viper_67> Vivekananda, from tty1 try this that way you don't glitch out
[03:48] <rileyvrh> i have a 64 bit version installed on my acer laptop
[03:48] <viper_67> ctl+alt+f1 opens a virtual terminal - full screen terminal with text only. sudo apt-get update
[03:48] <viper_67> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[03:48] <viper_67> sudo apt-get install unity
[03:48] <Flat4ForLife> hellooooooooo
[03:49] <viper_67> Vivekananda, to return to unity or (GUI) after if it doesn't ctl+alt+f7
[03:49] <roasted> hello friends. I have an HTML file I'd like to be able to launch through Firefox via terminal. I'm drawing a blank on how I would do this. Any ideas?
[03:50] <roasted> nevermind, duh. firefox /path/to/file
[03:51] <viper_67> roasted, lol I was like hell get there as soon as he types it out.
[03:53] <Vivekananda> viper_67: hmmm I did not get what you said here -- , to return to unity or (GUI) after if it doesn't ctl+alt+f7
[03:54] <roasted> viper_67: if only custom keyboard shortcuts would work...
[03:54] <Flat4ForLife> hes saying push ctl alt f7 to return to the GUI
[03:54] <Flat4ForLife> instead of terminal
[03:55] <roasted> viper_67: ah, need to log out and back in in 13.10. lame :<
[03:55] <khushildep> Hello all. I seem to be a bit at a loss for this but what's the command line for logout  from current Xsession?
[03:55] <Flat4ForLife> did you try exit
[03:55] <viper_67> roasted, yea, and they should work fine after that
[03:55] <roasted> viper_67: it was weird because I actually set the keyboard shortcuts and rebooted and they didn't work. Then just now I log out, back in, and they work.
[03:55] <khushildep> yeah but I'm using xmonad and it doesn't actually restart my X session
[03:56] <Flat4ForLife> well then you do a startx i assume
[03:57]  * Flat4ForLife isnt sure on xmonad just thinking simple terms here
[03:59] <XHEART24> what tool i can use to see if my files on ubuntu 12.04 lts are ok?
[03:59] <Flat4ForLife> what do you mean by "OK"
[04:00] <XHEART24> i installed a video card and the system seems slow and i had to reboot several times inclussive using a recovery mode
[04:00] <XHEART24> the updates are ok
[04:01] <Flat4ForLife> so after the video card install, did you install new drivers?
[04:02] <viper_67> roasted, that's kinda odd , is it possible that you made a typo when you created your shortcut?
[04:02] <XHEART24> no
[04:03] <Flat4ForLife> i would say thats one of the first things you need to do. purge/remove your old drivers, and install the new correct drivers
[04:05] <XHEART24> it actually looks better
[04:05] <XHEART24> what command is that?
[04:05] <Flat4ForLife> which command are you referring to?
[04:06] <XHEART24> to removethe old drivers
[04:06] <glitsj16> khushildep: gnome-session-quit i think, but have a look at http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome before you end up without a window manager
[04:06] <XHEART24> in ubuntu is there something like fix disk?
[04:06] <Flat4ForLife> what kind of video card was your old one?
[04:07] <Flat4ForLife> there is fsck but i dont think that is what you need to be doing
[04:07] <XHEART24> the internal one on the pc. I installed a graphic card that has 2 vga inputs
[04:07] <XHEART24> i can see the videos a bit better
[04:08] <Flat4ForLife> oh, did you ever install video card drivers for the old one? or just used the ones that came with ubuntu?
[04:08] <roasted> viper_67: nope. I didn't change it.
[04:08] <XHEART24> i did not have to install drivers but i noticed at first i can choose a variety of options of resolutions but now i can not
[04:08] <XHEART24> i did not had to install drivers
[04:09] <axsuul> Where do you recommend I put a cron script?
[04:09] <Flat4ForLife> ok, then you may not have to remove the old ones. what is your new video card brand for the driver?
[04:09] <axsuul> in which folder
[04:09] <Flat4ForLife> nvidia or AMD/ATI?
[04:10] <glitsj16> axsuul: you can place it anywhere you want, just make sure you refer to it with full path in the cron
[04:11] <XHEART24> ati
[04:12] <Flat4ForLife> !ati | XHEART24
[04:12] <axsuul> glitsj16: but any standard place to put it, like /usr/share?
[04:12] <Flat4ForLife> please refer to that guide and do as much as you can
[04:12] <viper_67> roasted, well glad yo got it working
[04:13] <roasted> indeed
[04:13] <viper_67> Vivekananda, did you get unity working?
[04:13] <glitsj16> axsuul: not really no, or ar you refering to /etc/cron.daily etc?
[04:13] <XHEART24> NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
[04:14] <Flat4ForLife> oh, ok then
[04:14] <Flat4ForLife> !nvidia | XHEART24
[04:14] <Flat4ForLife> same guide i guess. please try to follow that
[04:14] <axsuul> glitsj16: nah just where to put the bash script
[04:14] <XHEART24> thanks!
[04:14] <Flat4ForLife> welcome
[04:15] <Flat4ForLife> anyone have insight on setting startup audio level/keyboard brightness/screen brightness in 13.10?
[04:15] <glitsj16> axsuul: i don't know of any recommended location for those, i put them in a folder under my /home
[04:16] <somsip> axsuul: either ~/bin or /usr/local/bin is the recommended place for user scripts
[04:16] <axsuul> cool thanks
[04:17] <WHAT_UP> why is it not possible (or is it?) to do both install things with apt-get and to upgrade with apt-get at the same time? also, why doesn't apt have a queue feature where you can tell it to do such and such and it will do it as soon as it's done with other stuff?
[04:18] <Flat4ForLife> you can do apt-get update && apt-get install whatever in the same line
[04:18] <viper_67> Vivekananda,  I found this guide that might suit your back up needs: http://www.matthartley.com/how-to-backup-your-ubuntu-software/
[04:18]  * [gnubie] waves
[04:18] <[gnubie]> in sympa, how to force send files inside the /var/spool/sympa/distribute/ directory?
[04:18] <xangua> WHAT_UP: && like Flat4ForLife said
[04:19] <xangua> you can also make the answer "yes" to save time when installing but don't remember how, sure google remembers
[04:19] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, and in doing that, it will "queue" as you say and should go in order
[04:20] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: but you can't use this to queue things after one of them has already started
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[04:21] <somsip> skraito-0x71: do you have a support question?
[04:21] <skraito-0x71> nope
[04:21] <zack_> anyone knows how to build a personal version of ubuntu 12.04+ , i want to save personal settings and add/remove software, want to install this system later to other hardware
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[04:21] <somsip> !spam | skraito-0x71
[04:21] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, im not getting what you are saying for a queue then. doing apt-get update && apt-get install package will put the update first, queuing the install
[04:21] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: quite often i begin install something huge like texlive-full, only to remember that i want something else as well, but don't feel like waiting an hour for the docs to download and don't feel like writing a script for this task
[04:21] <Flat4ForLife> then once its done, go to the install
[04:22] <zack_> anyone knows how to build a personal version of ubuntu 12.04+ , i want to save personal settings and add/remove software, want to install this system later to other hardware
[04:22] <Flat4ForLife> something else as in a whole different package/program?
[04:22] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: yes
[04:22] <Flat4ForLife> zack_, please dont spam
[04:22] <zack_> ok.
[04:23] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, just open another terminal window
[04:23] <somsip> zack_: on an USB or external drive or something? Or do you want a permanent install you can clone elsewhere?
[04:23] <zack_> permanent install
[04:24] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: doesn't apt yell at you if you try to run an install when another process has a lock on dpkg or whatever?
[04:24] <zack_> i want to build a system like Linux Mint
[04:24] <zack_> but i didn't find any docs about how they build this
[04:24] <somsip> zack_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[04:24] <zack_> so i come to here for help
[04:24] <viper_67> WHAT_UP, yes apt will inform you that the package is being used by something else
[04:24] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, it can, yes
[04:25] <WHAT_UP> so... that's a problem with your solution
[04:25] <WHAT_UP> Common thought process: "Here, let's install texlive-full and go to lunch. Found my keys, ready to go... oh hey I should also install thunderbird while I'm at it... fml".
[04:25] <zack_> somip, does that apply to 12.04 or later systems?
[04:26] <somsip> zack_: You want me to read it for you?
[04:26] <viper_67> WHAT_UP, so it would seem that you don't actually have a problem your just in a hurry?>
[04:26] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, your original question and what you are asking now are different. you wanted a queue at first, and that essentially does a queue
[04:26] <Flat4ForLife> and what viper_67 said
[04:26] <zack_> somsip, sorry, i will try that
[04:26] <WHAT_UP> viper_67: this isn't a problem at the moment, but it's a persistent problem. your criticism can be applied to anyone complaining about booting taking a month, too.
[04:27] <zack_> i used to try UCK, but it can't save all the settings i expected
[04:27] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: this is the same at the second question of my original two. it would make sense to have a queue one can add to at any point... why doesn't it exist?
[04:28] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, yes it could be applied to anyone who complains about something. but if you're just going to complain about it, then why don't you make something better yourself?
[04:28] <Kekai> So I tried the Live USB
[04:28] <Kekai> its slow
[04:28] <Kekai> its not working at all
[04:28] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, it may not exist because A. it isnt possible or B. it hasnt been implemented yet. maybe you can be that person
[04:28] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: you can use a simple shell script to set volume level at login (amixer set Master playback xx% unmute -q &) and add it to 'Startup Applications' .. brightness levels i set through nvidia-settings, but xbacklight can be used in a script as well
[04:28] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: i'm asking why it is this way, to see if it's worthwhile for me to fix it. you don't need to be overly aggressive about me asking a question.
[04:29] <rww> zack_: Ban evasion is a violation of #ubuntu channel policy. If you want to discuss your ban, you know where to go.
[04:29] <viper_67> WHAT_UP, you didn't present a question of booting to my knowledge , you asked only if you can install two things at once or in a que
[04:29] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, im not trying to be aggressive, im just meaning to implement it yourself then. if you see a problem that you would like fixed, others probably have as well
[04:29] <skinux> I need to fix "disk not yet ready or not present" for WRAP partition.
[04:30] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, is that possible with nouveau as i could never get my nvidia drivers to work?
[04:30] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: so to formally state my question: *Why* hasn't it been implemented yet? It would seem like something so obvious... is there a deep reason that it's not possible?
[04:30] <zack_> no, i have no interest to discuss my ban, i just want to build my own system and use on my own machines, this is just a kind of customization, not discussing a ban
[04:31] <Flat4ForLife> WHAT_UP, maybe because having multiple things access the same process/program at the same time can cause errors? i don't know the real reason behind it as i did not design it.
[04:31] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: yes xbacklight should work, you might need the "acpi_backlight=vendor" kernel param
[04:31] <rww> zack_: you don't get to use #ubuntu until you get it sorted out, sorry. toodles
[04:32] <Flat4ForLife> Kekai, did you have a specific question or problem?
[04:32] <WHAT_UP> Flat4ForLife: where would be the correct place to go to ask people involved with apt about why it doesn't allow for this type of queuing?
[04:33] <ResQue> how can i install hdpram? i want to secure delete my SSD
[04:33] <somsip> !info hdparm | ResQue
[04:33] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, that is unknown territory to me haha
[04:33] <somsip> ResQue: but I don't believe that deletes. Maybe shred instead, but not sure if that's okay to use on SSDs
[04:34] <somsip> !info shred | ResQue
[04:34] <Flat4ForLife> is there a dev channel we can refer WHAT_UP to?
[04:34] <pdave> i need a coding project
[04:34] <Flat4ForLife> or maybe someone else shed a bit more light on his situation
[04:34] <somsip> pdave: go to github and find one. Not here
[04:34] <somsip> !find shred | ResQue
[04:35] <ResQue> somsip: i found it, i spelt parm wrong
[04:35] <pdave> yeah .. im looking for suggestions
[04:35] <somsip> ResQue: I noticed :)
[04:35] <ajoul> how to better customize my Ubuntu
[04:35] <ajoul> Some tips
[04:35] <somsip> pdave: well, go to github and find something that suits you. This is ubuntu support so it's not the place to ask. Thanks
[04:35] <ResQue> somsip: also you are right, using shred would not secure delete an SSD, or even be very effective on an normal disk
[04:35] <pdave> it's surprising how easy it is to write code and so hard to imagine what to write code for
[04:36] <ajoul> how to better customize my Ubuntu
[04:36] <somsip> ResQue: I know qin (user here) recommends a dd command to securely delete. Can't remember it off the top of my head though
[04:36] <Flat4ForLife> ajoul, please dont spam
[04:36] <viper_67> ResQue, I used testdisk on 12.04 to rescue files after a gparted mistake. Then I also used it to perm delete files. Nothing was found after.  Its a very good tool as well
[04:36] <ajoul> Flat4ForLife lag bro show some understanding
[04:36] <harsesus> ajoul: this is a good start... http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/8-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[04:36] <Flat4ForLife> ajoul, ok, no way i could have known that. no biggie
[04:37] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: try installing xbacklight and see if it works, it's a simple quick "xbacklight -set 40" test to see if you need the kernel param or not
[04:37] <Mayzie> Hey guys. Is it possible to copy files from an NTFS partition to another NTFS partition whilst preserving NTFS permissions using 'cp' or some other Linux copy utility?
[04:37] <ResQue> viper_67: testdisk has a delete function?
[04:37] <somsip> Mayzie: NTFS does not suport permissions AFAIK
[04:37] <arock> hi
[04:37] <usr13> Mayzie: NTFS doesn't really have permissions.
[04:37] <arock> hallo
[04:38] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: "xbacklight -set 100" to max it again
[04:38] <usr13> Mayzie: but yes, you can copy the files to your Linux partitions just fine.
[04:38] <Mayzie> I don't want to copy from NTFS -> Linux partition, but NTFS -> NTFS. Will it preserve whatever permissions/contexts?
[04:38] <Flat4ForLife> just installed and tried -40, didnt work glitsj16
[04:38] <usr13> Mayzie: Any cp will work just fine.
[04:38] <viper_67> ResQue, yes, not sure if you can get it on 13.10 though, it worked very well. It was text based though and dn't mess up and do the wrong drive :)
[04:38] <somsip> ResQue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix)#Disk_wipe but *make sure this is safe for you*
[04:39] <Mayzie> I essentially would like to clone my Windows installation to another drive using Linux, and thus NTFS permissions must be preserved.
[04:39] <somsip> Mayzie: and as you've been told, NTFS doesn'
[04:39] <usr13> Mayzie: Again, NTFS really doesn't have permissions.
[04:39] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: you probably set the nomodeset kernel param? adding the "acpi_backlight=vendor" is the same routine
[04:39] <somsip> Mayzie: 't use permissions
[04:39] <ResQue> viper_67: i have testdisk i was using it to check if the disk really had been wiped, but i couldnt see anything in the menu todo with deleting stuff, what am i doing wrong?
[04:39] <Mayzie> Yes it does?
[04:39] <viper_67> ResQue, there are lots of good wipe tools as somsip just mentioned use whats safest for what you needed done
[04:40] <usr13> Mayzie: I don't know... you tell us.  Does it?
[04:40] <ResQue> somsip: good idea, i was going to use /dev/random on the partition after i did an sfill on it
[04:40] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, ah ok. thing is i never got my grub to boot properly so i have to use rEFInd to boot so i dont think i can set params
[04:40] <Mayzie> I would assume so. Otherwise why would it prevent read/write access to some folders? Note: I do NOT want to copy from NTFS to a Linux partition.
[04:41] <usr13> Mayzie: As you said, access is limited to some "folders"
[04:41] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: not familiar with rEFInd .. time you got the best help available here to sort out your nvidia
[04:41] <Mayzie> I am just wondering if cp will preserve all of the NTFS file attributes and permissions when copying to another NTFS partition?
[04:41] <usr13> Mayzie: I don't think it matters about the individual files.
[04:41] <Mayzie> usr13: Files, too.
[04:42] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, i haven't been able to get on when said person is on
[04:42] <viper_67> ResQue, i'm sorry I was mistake it has been awhile since I used it. The DD command : http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_wipe_a_hard_drive_clean_in_Linux
[04:42] <usr13> Mayzie: Just try it and see.
[04:42] <harsesus> Mayzie:  windows permissions are machine specific... even if the usernames are the same, the windows permission include details about the machine with access.
[04:42] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: well it shouldn't be long before the 2 of you happen to cross paths here
[04:42] <somsip> Mayzie: I'm happy to be corrected. NTFS does have some permissioning, and I'm getting some search results that might help you with google "copy ntfs preserve permissions linux"
[04:43] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, also, i dont need the rEFInd if i can get my grub properly booting. rEFInd is a boot manager for mac. but i boot to grub just fine, just when i choose the ubuntu install it doesnt boot all the way and im not sure why
[04:43] <viper_67> ResQue, I used DD to wipe clean and it comes with ubuntu, and then used testdisk to verify the files where wiped
[04:43] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, yea some day haha
[04:43] <Mayzie> harsesus: Okay, so that is all that is needed? 'cp' will work just fine, as long as the machine is the same?
[04:44] <usr13> Mayzie: Not sure why it matters, not really sure what you're doing....
[04:44] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: he's on a lot, really a lot, but i guess everyone needs sleep :p .. i'll pass on your nickname when i see him here
[04:44] <Mayzie> usr13: <Mayzie> I essentially would like to clone my Windows installation to another drive using Linux, and thus NTFS permissions must be preserved.
[04:44] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, ok cool thanks. ive seen him in the channel, but his whois says hes idle for 3+ hours usually. just bad timing
[04:44] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: or make a small forum thread we can refer to, can act as appointment service maybe, why not
[04:44] <usr13> Mayzie: Ok, Good.  Now that we know what your wanting to do, we may be able to help you.
[04:45] <viper_67> !info DD | ResQue
[04:45] <Vivekananda> hey there I am back and stuck . I used the method here to create a boot usb but the only difference is that I have partitioned it into a ntfs and a ext3. I installed the stuff on the page on the ntfs and also installed the step 3 in /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 . on booting from the usb I get BOOTmgr missing. What am I doing wrong ?
[04:45] <Vivekananda> http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/114
[04:45] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, i probably should, then others could chime in too. i just cant remember all the crap i have tried haha
[04:45] <usr13> Mayzie: If you are cloning whole drives or partitions, you could use dd or some other image cloing method, like maybe g4u
[04:46] <ResQue> usr13: i used partimage a great tool for images disks or partiton
[04:46] <Mayzie> No, I'm not. I am copying specific folders and files, to a smaller drive.
[04:46] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, are you good with grub?
[04:46] <ResQue> Mayzie: i used partimage a great tool for images disks or partiton
[04:46] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: just tell it like it is, people will ask for whatever info they need
[04:46] <usr13> Mayzie: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/
[04:46] <Mayzie> .
[04:46] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: basic stuff sure, it can become complex, inside the grub rescue prompt i'm lost as well
[04:47] <usr13> Mayzie: And as ResQue suggests, partimage has a cloning function as well, so there are several alternatives...
[04:47] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, are you super bored ATM? want to try and tackle another problem?
[04:47] <Mayzie> I need to copy *specific* files and folders (namely C:/Windows) to a *smaller* drive. I can *not* use any hard disk *cloning* tools.
[04:47] <viper_67> Vivekananda, Did you get your desktop issue fixed from earlier?
[04:47] <Vivekananda> viper_67: no
[04:48] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: not bored, but yes on the try part heh
[04:48] <Vivekananda> it crashed ( running the --reset)
[04:48] <usr13> Mayzie: Okeydokey, so just copy the files.
[04:48] <b0x> Mayzie: shadowprotect lets you clone drives to smaller ones
[04:48] <b0x> just fyi
[04:48] <Vivekananda> but I figured I might as well try reinstall
[04:48] <viper_67> Vivekananda, hm i'm at a loss, to ans your back up question before you left I found this: http://www.matthartley.com/how-to-backup-your-ubuntu-software/
[04:48] <Mayzie> usr13: Yes, okay. And that was why I was asking if cp preserved permissions from Windows.
[04:48] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: just try to describe what is going on with your grub, a lot of people here are familiar with it
[04:49] <Vivekananda> any ideas on a multiboot drive creation ?
[04:49] <usr13> Mayzie: Well, far as I know, there are no permissions to preserve.
[04:49] <Vivekananda> can I create it on a partition
[04:49] <Vivekananda> ?
[04:49] <usr13> Mayzie: As I said, copy the files and see for yourself.
[04:49] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, heh ok. pretty much just used grub straight out of the box after ubuntu configured it. only thing ive tried to do is remove the quiet splash and/or add a nomodeset. its trying to use the signed 13.10 to boot, but once i choose that to launch it goes through the boot up, never showing splash if its in the params, and never getting to a login. just goes to flashing cursor
[04:49] <Mayzie> usr13: Yes, I will. Thank you.
[04:49] <usr13> Mayzie: NP
[04:50] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: are you trying to boot ubuntu on an EFI/UEFI system?
[04:50] <Flat4ForLife> ResQue, macbook pro, so yes
[04:50] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: i thought so, what version i have ttried this myself
[04:51] <Flat4ForLife> what version of ubuntu or macbook?
[04:51] <Bashing-om> Flat4ForLife: What results if you replace "quiet splash" with the term "text" as a grub boot parameter ? should boot to a terminal then .
[04:51] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: both what version mac book do u have and which version of ubuntu
[04:51] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: ok, can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg somewhere? sooner or later that will be handy in the attempt to fix it
[04:51] <Flat4ForLife> ResQue, 13.10 and i believe MacBook Pro4,1 its a late 2008 model
[04:52] <Flat4ForLife> Bashing-om, i have no tried that but i can
[04:52] <Bashing-om> fl :D, maybe isolate to a grahics issue (??) with that parameter.
[04:52] <ResQue> can you check the version number, i think you have the santa rose version this is going to be a big job if you want UEFI boot
[04:52] <viper_67> Vivekananda, this might suit your needs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNGd_Ql8dBU   , See also: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[04:52] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6952727/
[04:53] <Flat4ForLife> let me grab my other laptop so i can do this and stay in chat...
[04:53] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: its really not a simple one line fix, your going to be spending a good few days doing research and tweeking various hardware and boot time flags
[04:54] <Vivekananda> ok
[04:54] <Vivekananda> lemme see
[04:55] <CookiesRgooD> hey there! I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge on getting a free voip provider to give SIP information for a softphone?
[04:56] <somsip> !sip | CookiesRgooD
[04:56] <somsip> CookiesRgooD: okay, not so helpful. ISTR a search for sip provider giving me some options
[04:59] <Vivekananda> viper_67: can I use the yumi to INSTall too ?
[04:59] <Vivekananda> not just run from usb ?
[04:59] <glitsj16> Flat4ForLife: looking at ResQue's input it might be indeed handy to open a post on the forum so you can get some more assistance without the randomness of who's present in the channel, and when you are you can use it as referal so you don't have to repeat yourself all the time and paste the same info etc... just a suggestion .. at first gla,ce your grub.cfg looks okay so there's other things in play i guess
[05:00] <Flat4ForLife> brb
[05:01] <vamadir> just install freeradius (ubuntu 12.04). All ok, but can not use passowrd in mysql like md5
[05:01] <viper_67> Vivekananda, I'm not sure, I believe Yumi will only work on windows. There may be a linux version. If you have a large enough flash drive you might be able to install the os's to the drive
[05:01] <Flat4ForLife> glitsj16: i saw your last message. i will reboot and verify
[05:03] <CookiesRgooD> somsip: i've tried a few but had no luck. im using qutecome softphone
[05:03] <viper_67> Vivekananda, ubuntu install takes around 5 gigs to completer and then room for swap , root and user.  So you would want no less than 10 gigs if you intend on having files on stored on the system.
[05:03] <none> where is the religion channel
[05:04] <viper_67> none, is that a real question?
[05:04] <Flat4ForLife> ResQue: it is a MacBookPro4,1
[05:04] <apb1963> i'm trying to purge ksnapshot... but it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop too.... any ideas how I can tell it to only remove ksnapshot and leave kubuntu-desktop alone?
[05:06] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: your in for a long ride here, as its one of the older models its not going to be a simple one line fix, unless you realy need efi support becuase you want to learn more about it i would seriously suggest doing a simple bois install
[05:07] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: if your willing to spend the next few days to a week researching this i can provide you with some good links
[05:07] <Flat4ForLife> ResQue: what do you mean by simple bois install?
[05:08] <Flat4ForLife> and replacing quiet splash with text is resulting me in stopping after adding the swap
[05:08] <Flat4ForLife> not sure who asked that so i can't highlight your name
[05:08] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: apple macs have something called CMS, put very simple apple UEFI boot loader create a fake  BOIS at the hardware level
[05:09] <Flat4ForLife> oh a bios. ok but then how does that explain that rEFInd boots it just fine with no changes?
[05:10] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: to access this all you need todo is boot from a live cd in cms/bois mode REFIND will do this for you very quickly
[05:11] <Flat4ForLife> so how does creating a fake bios allow grub to boot the ubuntu install? I'm not following...
[05:11] <none> where is the religion channel
[05:11] <none> i want to argue with people for fun
[05:12] <Flat4ForLife> !ot | none
[05:12]  * viper_67 waves goodnight
[05:12] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: Because linux (ubuntu) and windows support booting on UEFI based computers and BOIS based computers.
[05:12] <xangua> none: #defocus
[05:12] <Flat4ForLife> night
[05:13] <Guest70649> m
[05:13] <viper_67> Flat4ForLife, good luck with uefi
[05:14] <somsip> CookiesRgooD: maybe the softphone support forum will help you
[05:14] <Flat4ForLife> ResQue: ok so you're saying its going to be a PITA. i guess ill look at what it requires and see if its even worth it haha. can you shoot me over a few links?
[05:14] <glitsj16> apb1963: kubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package, no harm in having it removed
[05:14] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: the reason you are having problems booting ubuntu in UEFI mode is because apple macs done have the latest version of UEFI, they have an old custom standard called EFI
[05:14] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: the reason you are having problems booting ubuntu in UEFI mode is because apple macs done have the latest version of UEFI, they have an old custom standard called EFI
[05:15] <Flat4ForLife> ResQue: do newer macs have UEFI?
[05:19] <ggreer> hello. so I reset my bios and now I boot directly into windows :(
[05:19] <ggreer> (uefi bios)
[05:19] <ggreer> I followed the guide at http://superuser.com/questions/376470/how-to-reinstall-grub2-efi to no effect
[05:19] <ggreer> update-grub ran, but it only detected linux kernels, not windows
[05:20] <apb1963> glitsj16, I don't know why removing a metapackage wouldn't be harmful.. I would think it would be the ultimate harm... however I was able to fix it w/out removing it.
[05:20] <ggreer> and as soon as I unmounted everything and restarted, there was no grub and I just booted straight into windows
[05:20] <Vivekananda> are people gone
[05:20] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: no but it is a lot closer and easier to hack. Apple invent EFI with the help of Intel to replace the old BIOS. Then windows though hey thats a good idea and helped design UEFI they are both closly related but different. Now apple has a mix of both its a non-standard mash up
[05:20] <apb1963> glitsj16, thank you for responding though
[05:21] <ResQue> Flat4ForLife: can i pm you these links there quite a few
[05:21] <Flat4ForLife> ResQue: that would be great, thanks
[05:21] <apb1963> Today's Random Pro Tip:  You can reinstall a package with:  sudo apt-get --reinstall install <packageName>  So if you ever find yourself in a position where apt-get remove wants to remove a package you don't want to remove....  now you know what to do.
[05:22]  * apb1963 makes a note of it
 there's these two songs that I would *LOVE* to learn to play. I would play them all day every day if I could learn :-P
 unfortunately the both require fancy fingering
 thats what she said
[05:24] <glitsj16> apb1963: better if you fixed it :) .. a meta-package is like a collection of packages that come with kubuntu in this case, if you are not happy with the *whole* subset of apps you can remove the meta-package and exchange alternatives, the description of kubuntu-desktop mentions it explicitly: "It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are
[05:24] <glitsj16> not desired." so it is really not harmfull (wording is confusing sometimes i can see that)
[05:25] <apb1963> glitsj16, yeah see that's what's confusing to me... if it's a package of packages, and I remove the package... then I would think ALL of the packages would be removed and I would be left with no desktop.... not to mention I have no idea what libs and other things might be removed that other things  might be dependent on.
[05:26] <varunendra> Vivekananda, what is that you need help with?
[05:26] <Vivekananda> well I am trying to create a multiboot usb but not to install iso on it
[05:27] <Vivekananda> just use the usb itself to install oses to my system
[05:27] <glitsj16> apb1963: true, i thought so to .. having a good backup/restore setup in place leaves abit more air to experiment without loosing the machine
[05:27] <apb1963> glitsj16, all in all a tedious and ugly operation when a simple reinstall of ksnapshot was all that was required.... I just didn't know how to do it until someone pointed it out for me.
[05:27] <glitsj16> :)
[05:27] <apb1963> glitsj16, yeah, but I don't have that....  it's yet another item on my list of things to do
[05:28] <varunendra> Vivekananda, so what is the problem with whatever you have tried so far? Don't the usual methods work?
[05:28] <glitsj16> apb1963: it took me 3 years to get into a good working solution for backup/restore believe it or not, just saying, i can understand your point of view
[05:29] <apb1963> glitsj16, I bought a disk for cloning and it's ready to go...  other than I haven't had time to puzzle out the poor English in clonezilla so that I don't end up wiping out my data by accident.
[05:29] <poincare101> Hi everyone. My ISP is running Ubuntu Precise (server) and I need a package from Saucy or Raring; is there any way to do that?
[05:29] <apb1963> glitsj16, I believe it.  I've been poking around and sadly... it takes far too many brain cycles to figure out a reasonable solution.
[05:29] <Vivekananda> I have run the steps here -- http://www.rmprepusb.com/tutorials/114
[05:30] <Vivekananda>  . I used the method here to create a boot usb but the only difference is that I have partitioned it into a ntfs and a ext3. I installed the stuff on the page on the ntfs and also installed the step 3 in /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 . on booting from the usb I get BOOTmgr missing. What am I doing wrong ?
[05:31] <glitsj16> apb1963: true, clonezilla instructions always confused me, as did many of the backup solutions suggested in (official) documentation, it is a complex topic .. i settled for timeshift (restore point kind of app) for / and the deja-dup for /home
[05:31] <poincare101> anyone for my question?
[05:31] <none> what?
[05:31] <none> what package do you need
[05:32] <poincare101> none: wireshark
[05:32] <poincare101> none: 1.10
[05:32] <apb1963> glitsj16, Feel free to join ##backup where you can share your knowledge about backup solutions with others :)
[05:33] <varunendra> !who | Vivekananda
[05:34] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I see you have already mentioned YUMI. Have you used it yet?
[05:34] <Vivekananda> varunendra: yep I normally do
[05:34] <none> poincare101, check to see if wireshark has the new packages
[05:34] <none> or they might have a source package you can compile
[05:34] <Vivekananda> varunendra: nope I havent . I got to this one first and thought to try it
[05:34] <poincare101> none: They have a source package
[05:34] <Vivekananda> now let me try
[05:34] <poincare101> none: is there no way for me to get a raring package in an older version of ubuntu?
[05:34] <glitsj16> apb1963: thanks for the tip, i never knew there was such a channel .. i need some sleep (6.34 in the am here) but i will later on .. just for your bookmarks --> http://www.unixmen.com/timeshift-restore-linux-desktops-previous-state/
[05:35] <WHAT_UP> onboard isn't showing up when I edit text in xfce, even though I set the settings to have it show. There is no onboard icon for me to interact with, either. What do I do?
[05:35] <varunendra> Vivekananda, It is extremely easy to use. The only downsides are : 1) It runs on windows only 2) It does not retain the original ISOs
[05:35] <Vivekananda> varunendra: I dont have windows
[05:36] <varunendra> Vivekananda, if you are going to deal with Linux distros only, then you can also use MultiSystem from the same site
[05:36] <Vivekananda> also I keep requesting that I dont wish to run a live cd just wish to make a usb that can install multiple oses on
[05:36] <Vivekananda> a computer
[05:36] <none> http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-wireshark-1-1-1-on-ubuntu-13-10-13-04-12-10-12-04-linux-mint-16-15-14-13-pear-os-8-7-and-elementary-os-0-2-luna/
[05:37] <Vivekananda> varunendra: did you have a look at my site ? the easy to boot
[05:37] <none> poincare101, i am guessing you want the newer version of wireshark in the older version of ubuntu?
[05:37] <poincare101> right
[05:37] <Vivekananda> can you suggest why I get that not found error?
[05:37] <bbulgier> i have a windows 7 ultimate iso and running ubuntu what would be the best way to make a boot disc?
[05:37] <none> source download and compile is your best bet
[05:37] <lotus-blade> hdmi has crackling noise in hdmi connection.  is thera fix for this?
[05:38] <ggreer> haha, now I have a grub menu with ubuntu but no windows
[05:38] <ggreer> I'm guessing a grub-update from my normal partition will fix that
[05:38] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I just glanced at the site you linked to. Analysing the cause for the error may need time. So I didn't try since I think we have better alternatives
[05:39] <ggreer> yep
[05:39] <ggreer> fun adventure there
[05:39] <blueingr1ss> Hi all, I have enough disk space, when I extrace a 1G file.tar.gz, the harddisk has been running for 10 minutes till now... and the process "mount.ntfs" use CPU 80% all the time. How can I get this fix? thanks.
[05:39] <bbulgier> If i just burn the ISO to a dvd will that create a boot disc?
[05:40] <somsip> blueingr1ss: possibly untar on a non-ntfs disk then copy the file?
[05:40] <glitsj16> poincare101: if you can add a PPA, there's https://launchpad.net/~lvillani/+archive/wireshark that offers a backport of the 14.04 for ubuntu 12.04, should be the latest version as trusty 14.04 is still in full development
[05:40] <apb1963> glitsj16, Thanks for the url.... took me all this time to unlock my keyboard... once again X or something stole it and I had to fight to get it back.... so sick of all these bugs.
[05:40] <Vivekananda> varunendra: I wanted to say again that 1. I dont have windows 2. I wish to install multiple oses in a usb PRIMarily to be able to use the usb as a medium to install those oses on new computers
[05:41] <blueingr1ss> smsip, yes, just untar.... not copy yet.
[05:41] <Vivekananda> as the steps are but 4 I would be happy to repeat them and test
[05:41] <blueingr1ss> somsip, untar on non-ntfs file system.
[05:41] <Stormsys> Hello - i installed nginx using apt-get and now it seems that when i run service apache2 start it actually starts nginx?
[05:41] <Vivekananda> on a guess I feel that the problem might be coz I have a partition ??
[05:41] <Vivekananda> varunendra: ^^
[05:41] <Stormsys> However what i wanted is to have them side by side
[05:42] <blueingr1ss> somsip, So I have to break this action? and use it on ntfs?
[05:42] <Beldar> Vivekananda, I have not followed all your posts but on a multi iso usb I use this app. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[05:42] <varunendra> Vivekananda, MultiSystem is installed on my Ubuntu here and if I remember correctly, I got it from pendrivelinux.com - the same place where I found YUMI.
[05:43] <varunendra> Vivekananda, it should meet all your requirements (not requires windows at any stage, and installs all the distros you add to it)
[05:43] <glitsj16> apb1963: very welcome, it can be a pain allright, babysitting 'regular' functionality seems problematic in many distros, so 'hopping' doesn't solve things neither .. have a good time anyway :)
[05:44] <xangua> varunendra: not all, I have failed with an arch based distro and another minimal distro
[05:44] <somsip> blueingr1ss: Maybe I misunderstand what you are doing. Maybe you should state the problem again
[05:44] <blueingr1ss> somsip, now it stop, just because the file is too big.
[05:45] <varunendra> xangua, yup. I'm even doubtful with SliTaz, since YUMI needed to do some extra tweaks to make it boot
[05:46] <Vivekananda> varunendra: okay and how about installing it on a partitoined usb and not on the whole usb
[05:46] <varunendra> xangua, Vivekananda  but the popular ones run, and in my experience so far, it is the next best (of the easiest) option.
[05:46] <Vivekananda> also how about deleting an iso once I dont need it ?
[05:46] <xangua> varunendra: yes stilaz that was one I failed too
[05:47] <blueingr1ss> somsip, now it is not a problem, just because the very slow hard disk.
[05:47] <somsip> blueingr1ss: k
[05:47] <blueingr1ss> somsip, it taks 10 minutes to untar 1 4G file.
[05:47] <xangua> Vivekananda: You can delete it from multisystem gui, it does al the hard job for you
[05:48] <varunendra> Vivekananda, one of the most knowledgeable members on Ubuntu Forums uses the kind of USB you want. I suggest you post a thread there and wait for reply. I may try troubleshooting it, but think it may need more time than is reasonable on IRC
[05:50] <cylonfrack> I have a really quick question I'd like to ask if there are listeners available
[05:51] <Vivekananda> what is the difference between http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/     and   http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/   and which one do I use ?
[05:51] <cylonfrack> Are there any really crucial reasons for using Ubuntu 12 over 13?
[05:52] <varunendra> Vivekananda, the one for Linux. YUMI runs on Windows only.
[05:52] <Vivekananda> okay
[05:53] <varunendra> cylonfrack, no more 'Crucial' reasons if you are going to download 12.04 fresh (that would be 12.04.4)
[05:54] <Vivekananda> varunendra: the question I am asking ( again perhaps) is . when I get this 'multiboot' usb using the multiboot creater can the usb be used , then, to only RUN an os from usb or also INstALL  an os to a new computer ?
[05:54] <varunendra> cylonfrack, sorry I thought "13 over 12".
[05:54] <xangua> Vivekananda: you can also add multisystem deb repository http://liveusb.info/dotclear/index.php?pages/install or buy cd/usb
[05:54] <somsip> cylonfrack: it offers long-term support for all packages
[05:54] <cylonfrack> well I would install it fresh and then upgrade it to the newest 12 version available. Would that negate LTS? I'm using 13.11 atm and I like it a lot. I'm just wondering if I'm missing out on something?
[05:54] <varunendra> cylonfrack, 12.04 would be supported until April 2017, 13.10 only a few more months
[05:55] <xangua> Vivekananda: multisystem has an option to make a persistent install if that is what you are talking about
[05:57] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I haven't tried installing from it, but when I chose it, that was my intention and its description sounded like it would do the job. For YUMI I know that it does the installation, and it is just a newer (and upgraded) form of MultiSystems. So I *assume* that MultiSystem will do the installation too, no just live booting.
[06:00] <cylonfrack> Another question I have. I'm trying to repartition my HD post install. I want to have a separate partition for data storage. I made a ext4 partition for that with GParted but the permissions for it are all root and I can't move my data over to it because I'm not sure how to change permissions without opening a terminal and I really really try to avoid the CLI because I'm not comfortable with it. Is there a way to modify permi
[06:00] <cylonfrack> ssions in a GUI?
[06:00] <varunendra> Vivekananda, if you have enough RAM, it would take only about half an hour to test it yourself. (to boot the VM with USB, you'll need Plop - a few KB ISO)
[06:00] <rileyvrh> anyone know of a site that sells ubuntu tablets?
[06:01] <idshabbenings> can you not put ubuntu on any tablet?
[06:01] <rileyvrh> oh yeah you can put it on a tablet
[06:01] <somsip> rileyvrh: there aren't any yet
[06:01] <somsip> !touch | rileyvrh
[06:01] <varunendra> cylonfrack, probably no way to avoid terminal when you are dealing with 'root'
[06:02] <Vivekananda> varunendra: yep I am going to test it
[06:02] <Vivekananda> but directly
[06:02] <varunendra> cylonfrack, but it is just a 5-6 word command :)
[06:02] <cylonfrack> and I have no idea what that command is :P
[06:02] <rileyvrh> i am looking at the april 2014 release ..
[06:02] <cylonfrack> I'm looking it up but I feel like I'm reading russian
[06:03] <varunendra> cylonfrack, that's what this whole channel is meant to help with :)
[06:03] <cylonfrack> In that case, what do I need to enter into the CLI to make that partition fully RW under my own user?
[06:03] <varunendra> cylonfrack, is the ext partition mounted at the moment? (Can you go into it)?
[06:03] <needinghelp2> I installed ubuntu, didn't work.  Now I installed Kubuntu.  Didn't work.  Both installations after reboot come up with like a distorted looking splash page..nothing else.
[06:03] <cylonfrack> yeah I can
[06:03] <rileyvrh> At present Ubuntu Touch is not sold with any tablets, but Canonical provides flashable images for use on specific devices. You can flash Ubuntu Touch onto the Nexus 7 and 10
[06:04] <somsip> rileyvrh: and discussion is in #ubuntu-touch
[06:04] <rileyvrh> so its coming , i answered my own question
[06:04] <varunendra> cylonfrack, how many non-system partitions are mounted at the moment (the contents of /media directory)?
[06:05] <Vivekananda> varunendra: multisystem is asking for a fat 32 formatted usb. I was trying to do it with ntfs or ext3 usb coz fat32 has 4 gig limit right ?
[06:05] <Vivekananda> ooo sorry it has file size limit of 4 gig not partition size isnt it?
[06:05] <varunendra> Vivekananda, yup, the limit is that indeed.
[06:05] <RaphaelBarros> Hi guys, do you know of any easy way to send the input from the same keyboard to different windows? Something like having two active windows?
[06:05] <varunendra> Vivekananda, :D
[06:05] <needinghelp2> Anyone have a clue?
[06:05] <Vivekananda> or is it partition size limit ?
[06:06] <varunendra> Vivekananda, nope, filesize limit
[06:06] <varunendra> !nomodeset | needinghelp2
[06:06] <cylonfrack> varunendra atm only my user name and the other user name in the system are listed in /media
[06:07] <varunendra> cylonfrack, please give us the pastebin link to the output of "mount" command
[06:07] <ajeffco> In a virtual environment, where a guest has 1 GB RAM is there any benefit to using 64 bit vs. 32 bit ubuntu?
[06:07] <rww> ajeffco: no
[06:07] <ajeffco> rww: thanks.  didn't think so but wanted to confirm
[06:07] <cylonfrack> what do I enter in the terminal for that?
[06:07] <rww> ajeffco: in fact, I'd recommend 32-bit. Slightly lower memory usage.
[06:08] <ajeffco> rww:  really... didn't know that
[06:08] <needinghelp2> varunendra, that page tells me how to fix this?
[06:08] <rww> ajeffco: pointers are smaller in 32-bit. May or may not make much of an impact, but there it is.
[06:08] <ajeffco> rww:  thanks much
[06:08] <varunendra> cylonfrack, oops :D The command is - "mount" (without the quotes) --> copy paste the output using your mouse cursor
[06:09] <cylonfrack> It's a really really big block of text
[06:09] <cylonfrack> should I really paste it all right here?
[06:09] <idshabbenings> try pastebin
[06:09] <varunendra> needinghelp2, your problem sounds like a graphics driver problem, not sure though. In that case, that parameter (nomodeset) helps to boot into a low graphics mode from where you can install the required driver
[06:09] <varunendra> !pastebin | cylonfrack
[06:10] <needinghelp2> varunendra, I am trying to figure out to use it.
[06:10] <varunendra> needinghelp2, did you see the post at this link : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 ??
[06:10] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Yes I am there now, but it looks like a bunch of garbled up info.
[06:11] <cylonfrack> !pastebinit
[06:12] <cylonfrack> bear with me
[06:12] <cylonfrack> didn't know this thing existed :P
[06:12] <cylonfrack> installing it now
[06:12] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Maybe I am just stupid, I don't see how to fix this problem there.
[06:13] <varunendra> needinghelp2, can you get the advance Grub menu at boot time? Keep tapping 'Shift' (or 'Esc' key on some systems) key after initial BIOS screen to get that menu.
[06:13] <cylonfrack> varunendra http://paste.ubuntu.com/6952937/
[06:14] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Yes. Then what/
[06:14] <varunendra> needinghelp2, press "E" to edit the default entry
[06:15] <Anton2d> Hi all. I have problem with webdaw in ubuntu 12.04. Very big lags in interface, when webdav is connected...
[06:15] <needinghelp2> varunendra, on the recovery?
[06:15] <varunendra> needinghelp2, on the top entry
[06:16] <Anton2d> Recorded video with lags http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AytWsriyOk8
[06:16] <varunendra> above recovery
[06:16] <needinghelp2> ok
[06:16] <needinghelp2> next?
[06:17] <cylonfrack> I must have done something wrong.
[06:17] <varunendra> cylonfrack, do you have Gparted installed? You might wish to give a Label to the partition you created, not necessary though :P
[06:17] <varunendra> needinghelp2, do you see a line with "quiet splash" in the last?
[06:17] <cylonfrack> I'm not sure. It seems counter productive to me that it's easier to work with an ntfs file system in linux which is foreign than a native ext4
[06:18] <varunendra> cylonfrack, joys of enhanced security :D
[06:18] <needinghelp2> varunendra, yes
[06:18] <cylonfrack> I do have gparted. I used it to make the partition
[06:19] <varunendra> needinghelp2, using the 'Down" arrow key, come down to that line, then press "End" to go to its end
[06:19] <needinghelp2> varunendra, ok
[06:19] <needinghelp2> varunendra, done
[06:20] <varunendra> cylonfrack, what is your user id on the system?
[06:20] <varunendra> needinghelp2, type "nomodeset" (without the quotes) in the last, then press Ctrl-X to boot with that option
[06:21] <needinghelp2> varunendra, am i supposed to erase the line?
[06:21] <varunendra> needinghelp2, make sure there is a blank space between words, and if there is a "--" in the last, type before it
[06:21] <varunendra> needinghelp2, no
[06:21] <ajoul> how do I force to kill a fucking process
[06:21] <ajoul> kill pid doesn't seem to work
[06:21] <varunendra> needinghelp2, just 'append' the word in the last
[06:22] <rww> ajoul: kill -9 pid, if you absolutely want it dead now
[06:22] <needinghelp2> varunendra, I am not sure where to add that
[06:22] <ajoul> rww finally thx
[06:22] <varunendra> needinghelp2, where is your cursor now? It should be at the end of the line that ends with "quiet splash"
[06:23] <needinghelp2> varunendra, ok
[06:23] <Diplomatico> Hello, I can't access youtube neither from firefox nor chromium.
[06:23] <idshabbenings> ajoul: killall works too
[06:24] <cylonfrack> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6952984/   the partition in question is called "Stuff"
[06:24] <varunendra> needinghelp2, see the screenshot with Black background in the linked post
[06:24] <Diplomatico> Nice name for a partition!
[06:24] <varunendra> :D
[06:24] <cylonfrack> holy crap it wasn't even mounted when I did that whole song and dance
[06:25] <cylonfrack> I see linux is often as cumbersome as it was back in 2005 when I last used it
[06:25] <cylonfrack> let's try this again shall we
[06:25] <varunendra> cylonfrack, is it mounted now? The output of "mount" again..
[06:25] <irssi-mike> seems like you mount remount then edit fstab to set it on boot but i'll go back to my buritto
[06:26] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Got it.  It works now. Thanks pal.
[06:26] <varunendra> needinghelp2, no problem :)
[06:26] <cylonfrack> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6952990/ okay there it is and partition in question is "Stuff"
[06:27] <varunendra> needinghelp2, keep in mind that it is only a low graphics mode, that provides you a 'Usable' desktop. Use it to fix the actual problem (if Additional Drivers are available for the system)
[06:27] <needinghelp2> varunendra, I am not sure on how to fix the problem though.
[06:28] <mnemon> cylonfrack: there's the "disks" utility where you can all the mounting and partitioning in the GUI afaik
[06:28] <varunendra> needinghelp2, try "Additional Drivers" program if you are connected to internet. See if it suggests any proprietary drivers for your card.
[06:29] <needinghelp2> varunendra, ok
[06:29] <cylonfrack> I used both. I'm using gparted atm because it lets me resize. I'm just trying to set permissions to my own user because it defaults to root and I have no clue how to change the permissions in the terminal
[06:29] <varunendra> cylonfrack, it was mounted earlier also :) Might have been unmounted while labelling it
[06:30] <cylonfrack> yeah. it's mounted. I can open it. I just can't move anything to it.
[06:30] <varunendra> cylonfrack, in its current statd, the command would be : "sudo chown -R esmoody:esmoody /media/esmoody/Stuff"
[06:30] <varunendra> *state
[06:31] <varunendra> cylonfrack, is it a USB drive?
[06:31] <cylonfrack> No. It's a partition on my internal HD. Toshiba EXT is my external USB drive
[06:31] <cylonfrack> I just used that command. Let's see what's up in the GUI now. Sec
[06:32] <cylonfrack> nope still set to root
[06:32] <varunendra> cylonfrack, unmount the partition and remount it
[06:33] <cylonfrack> okay. that did it. Now I just thank LinuxJesus and hope it stays that way because CLI commands are lost on me
[06:34] <varunendra> cylonfrack, hmm... something must have changed in the version you are using. Native partitions get mounted in /media/<mount point> in 12.04 and all earlier versions.
[06:34] <cylonfrack> I'm using 13
[06:34] <cylonfrack> and it mounted with the correct permissions once I remounted
[06:34] <cylonfrack> my junk is moving over to it now
[06:34] <Atrophied> I am having trouble getting ubuntu to work with Dell Inspiron 530. Specifically with the intel 82562v-2 10/100 NIC. Any suggestions?
[06:34] <varunendra> cylonfrack, yup, I figured by the difference :)
[06:35] <cylonfrack> many thanks to you :D I'd have never figured it out because I have no patience. I was resigned to sticking with ntfs just because it doesn't cause migraines :D
[06:35] <varunendra> cylonfrack, a much less secure and probably insane permisson would be "sudo chmod -R 777 /media/esmoody/Stuff" --- but that's not suitable when there are files on the partition.
[06:36] <varunendra> cylonfrack, no worries, it was fun :)
[06:37] <cylonfrack> as long as the first permissions let me use the partition I don't intend to change them
[06:37] <cylonfrack> and right now they work, so I'm set
[06:37] <mnemon> Atrophied: dmesg and lspci outputs might help
[06:38] <varunendra> cylonfrack, the "777" gives "Read, Write and Execute" permission to 'Everyone'. So even if you access the partition as a different user later, you'll have full rights (and everyone will have).
[06:38] <cylonfrack> I'm the only person who uses this computer so it wouldn't really matter
[06:38] <mnemon> or just mount -o mode=777,rw
[06:38] <cylonfrack> but I'm still more comfortable limiting it to my own user name
[06:38] <varunendra> cylonfrack, then you're indeed all set :D
[06:39] <cylonfrack> but I'll remember the 777 for the future
[06:39] <cylonfrack> "Partition you annoy me. Time for 777"
[06:39] <cylonfrack> new motto!
[06:39] <varunendra> cylonfrack, and then the 'Executable' bit will annoy you :P
[06:39] <Diplomatico> Hey, I can't access youtube.com neither from chromium nor firefox...
[06:40] <varunendra> that's why I said it is not suitable when there are already files on the partition, cylonfrack
[06:40] <Atrophied> I don't have net access on the system mnemon
[06:40] <varunendra> Atrophied, what is the problem with the NIC?
[06:41] <cylonfrack> where there were none before I set the permissions. It was an empty partition. It's my backup partition
[06:41] <mnemon> Atrophied: right ... you can check if there's any errors in the dmesg and if there's any network/ethernet devices in the lspci output
[06:41] <Atrophied> the system recognizes it as eth0, but there are no lights and I am unable to use dhclient. It is connected to a router with other working connections.
[06:41] <Atrophied> It is only recognized when the e1000 module is loaded, I should add.
[06:42] <cylonfrack> sidenote: files seem to move much faster between native partitions than ntfs so there's a plus
[06:42] <cylonfrack> I knew there was a good reason to go through all this trouble
[06:42] <varunendra> Atrophied, that module is part of the kernel, should be automatically loaded.
[06:42] <Atrophied> and lspci shows intel intel 82562v-2 10/100
[06:42] <starnix> Hello people.
[06:43] <Atrophied> varunendra: it does. I unloaded and reloaded it to see if that would make a difference
[06:43] <Diplomatico> I can't access youtube.com from Ubuntu, but I can from Windows.
[06:43] <mnemon> Atrophied: you're using network manager or not? as in ubuntu with GUI?
[06:43] <Atrophied> Yes mnemon
[06:44] <mnemon> Atrophied: and the network manager recognizes it aand says it's up?
[06:44] <starnix> Please somebody help me setting up my laptop screen resolution, stuck to 640x480 after installing nvidia drivers
[06:44] <mnemon> (connected)
[06:44] <varunendra> Atrophied, please give us the pastebin link to the output of "sudo lshw -numeric -C network -sanitize"
[06:45] <Atrophied> no. network manager recognizes that there is a wired adapter, but no option to connect and dhclient does nothing. not even error message
[06:45] <Atrophied> varunendra: will do.
[06:45] <ResQue> starnix: what happends if you type "nvidia-settings" in the terminal
[06:46] <starnix> ResQue, it open nvidia application, what should i have to do there?
[06:46] <mnemon> right, and ifconfig says it's UP? and when was the last time it worked(on another OS or whatever)?
[06:47] <ResQue> starnix: click on the "X Server Display Configuration" in the left hand panel, then look in the right hand panel to chance "resolution"
[06:47] <ResQue> starnix: dont forget to click "Apple" and not quit
[06:48] <ResQue> starnix: i mean click Apply, there is not button called Apple :P
[06:48] <starnix> ResQue, I could not find x server setting in that?
[06:50] <ResQue> starnix: upload a screenshot, i think you are mistaken
[06:51] <ResQue> starnix: did you restart you computer after install the nvidia drivers?
[06:51] <starnix> yes couple of times i did but doesn't work.
[06:52] <ResQue> starnix: the option for "X Server Display COnfiguration" is definalty there are you sure you didnt miss it
[06:52] <starnix> http://feb.imghost.us/FeX7.png
[06:52] <MarkDavies> hi
[06:53] <MarkDavies> what's the value of standard background color?
[06:53] <MarkDavies> It certainly is not exactly white
[06:53] <ResQue> starnix: your right,check you installed the drivers correclty, if you did i dont know what is wrong ask someone else
[06:53] <starnix> okay thanks, ResQue
[06:54] <MarkDavies> is it?
[06:54] <bazhang> http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css_colornames.asp MarkDavies
[06:56] <MarkDavies> bazhang: thank you very much, but which one is standard for desktop things background?
[06:57] <MarkDavies> I've checked in settings and it like says that it is white indeed. But I'm not sure
[06:57] <bazhang> MarkDavies, check the chart and see
[06:59] <ok_> varunendra, Where I would look for that software at./
[06:59] <varunendra> ok_, what software?
[06:59] <ok_> varunendra, for the nomodeset fix ?
[07:02] <varunendra> ok_, Alt-F2 > type "jockey-gtk" > press 'Enter'
[07:02] <varunendra> ok_, or search for "Additional Drivers" program through Unity dash or applications menu (if you are not using Unity)
[07:03] <Vivekananda> I installed multiboot and the two isos ( 32 and 64 bit) ubuntu
[07:03] <Vivekananda> I tried to reboot into it which did happen but right after that the screen wall all addled up.
[07:03] <Vivekananda> so I booted back to my os already installed.
[07:03] <Vivekananda> varunendra: any comments
[07:04] <Heponen> Hi, is there a way to "cp" or "rsync" a large directory with limiting the IO use? I want to copy one dir on my server, but it uses up all the IO, so the apache and other important processes will not function for a while.
[07:04] <varunendra> Vivekananda, were you trying the live session or installed with it?
[07:04] <Vivekananda> it booted in it , there was only one choice
[07:04] <MarkDavies> bazhang: seems like it is white.... but I can hardly believe it.
[07:04] <Vivekananda> could I have installed without booting in it ?
[07:05] <varunendra> Vivekananda, installed one would have meant that at least the live session was okay :P
[07:06] <varunendra> Vivekananda, It should have presented you with a menu to select the OS to boot. Was the display okay till that menu?
[07:07] <Vivekananda> yes
[07:07] <Vivekananda> even the splash was okay but after that
[07:07] <Vivekananda> all got muddled up
[07:07] <Vivekananda> something about noveu plugin
[07:08] <DoYouKnow> how do I change the sample rate in ubuntu?
[07:08] <varunendra> Vivekananda, sounds like a problem independent of how you boot the ISO
[07:08] <DoYouKnow> I need to change the full low-level sample rate in alsa and pulse
[07:08] <varunendra> Vivekananda, have you tried the 'nomodeset' option yet?
[07:08] <Heponen> Ah, I had totally forgotten about "ionice". So my problem in my question was solved by the good old "ionice -c3".
[07:09] <DoYouKnow> is there seriously no way to do this?
[07:09] <dodo3773> DoYouKnow: What are you trying to do?
[07:09] <DoYouKnow> I'm trying to sample sound from my card at 192-khz 24-bits
[07:10] <dodo3773> DoYouKnow: Sample sound? Do you mean simply getting sound to work or?
[07:11] <DoYouKnow> I'm setting up a Very Low frequency observatory. I've been able to get it to work in Windows, but until I can sample sound at 192 kHz it's useless
[07:11] <DoYouKnow> in linux
[07:11] <DoYouKnow> *radio observatory
[07:12] <DoYouKnow> so the frequency range you get is up to 1/2 the sample rate
[07:12] <dodo3773> DoYouKnow: I have no experience with this. Wish I could help more
[07:12] <DoYouKnow> so if I can sample at 192 kHz, then I can receive signals up to 96 kHz
[07:12] <DoYouKnow> but this basically comes down to a simple audio problem of recording high definition audio
[07:13] <Gnusmas> hello have any ones here use tor-chat
[07:16] <dodo3773> DoYouKnow: The different sound software stuff for playing sound in linux is: alsa, pulseaudio, oss, and jack (maybe one more I do not remember) if those terms help with your search at all
[07:17] <dodo3773> DoYouKnow: Default on most systems nowadays are alsa -> pulseaudio
[07:19] <dodo3773> Okay later everyone.
[07:23] <Gnusmas> hello have any ones here used  tor-chat,and why is it still connected to the tor-network when shunted down.
[07:24] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Okay I am logged into Ubuntu now.  nomodeset has worked.  what next did you say?
[07:24] <varunendra> needinghelp2, run "Additional Drivers" program from unity dash or applications menu, if you are connected to internet
[07:25] <needinghelp2> varunendra, I am connected to internet.
[07:25] <needinghelp2> varunendra, okay trying to find additional drivers deal
[07:25] <varunendra> needinghelp2, if your graphics card needs any proprietary driver, that program may be able to offer that to you
[07:26] <needinghelp2> varunendra, not sure where additional drivers is located
[07:26] <varunendra> needinghelp2, alternative way to open it -- Alt-F2 > type "jockey-gtk" > press 'Enter'
[07:26] <needinghelp2> do i just enter jockey-gtk
[07:26] <varunendra> yes, without quotes needinghelp2
[07:27] <needinghelp2> varunendra, That doesnt do anything. Nothing opens.
[07:27] <Oog> ive been struggling with rsyslog and what i think is a logrotate issue for a while - i think ive finally confirmed ther is a problem...
[07:28] <Oog> i have 5.8.11 installed - this http://www.rsyslog.com/ubuntu-repository/ says sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  will update rsyslog but it doesnt seem to
[07:28] <varunendra> needinghelp2, what is the output of "whereis jockey-gtk" ?
[07:28] <Oog> sudo aptitude versions rsyslog shows the newest versions as 5.8.11
[07:28] <needinghelp2> varunendra, do i type that in terminal?
[07:28] <varunendra> needinghelp2, yup
[07:29] <Oog> what am i doing wrong?
[07:29] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Is there a quick way to open a terminal?
[07:31] <MarkDavies> set -- `getopt 'hmv' $@`    I don't exactly understand this line. set -- sets positional parameters to the arguments, but what exactly does it mean?
[07:32] <needinghelp2> varunendra, ok@ok:~$ whereis jockey-gtk
[07:32] <needinghelp2> jockey-gtk:
[07:32] <needinghelp2> varunendra, thats what it does
[07:32] <needinghelp2> Something is definitely wrong here.  I type a word and it takes 5 seconds for the word to appear
[07:33] <MarkDavies> oh, it wasn't meant here
[07:33] <varunendra> needinghelp2, sorry went away from laptop..
[07:34] <varunendra> needinghelp2, that means that program is not installed in your system. Which version is it? Which flavour of Ubuntu?
[07:34] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Ubuntu 13.10
[07:35] <varunendra> needinghelp2, not sure if some other program has replaced it. Someone using 13.10 may be able to tell better. I'm on 12.04.
[07:35] <needinghelp2> damn
[07:35] <needinghelp2> you are the only one helping
[07:36] <varunendra> needinghelp2, please give us the pastebin link to the output of "sudo lshw -numeric -C display"
[07:37] <varunendra> needinghelp2, in the meanwhile, you may follow the same post to make the "nomodeset" option permanent. At least it'll give you a working desktop without needing to add it manually everytime
[07:38] <needinghelp2> varunendra, http://pastebin.com/9UHn5eZ3
[07:39] <varunendra> needinghelp2, yup it is indeed what I suspected. You need Nvidia driver which is currently not installed.
[07:40] <b0x> gave up trying to install nvidia drivers
[07:40] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Ok. Now what?
[07:40] <b0x> support is absolutely dismal at best.
[07:40] <varunendra> needinghelp2, unfortunately, I don't have any experience with nvidia drivers or how to install them. Probably the wiki page is the only help I can offer :(
[07:40] <varunendra> !nvidia | needinghelp2
[07:41] <varunendra> b0x, which version are you on?
[07:42] <b0x> 13.10
[07:43] <MarkDavies> What's the fastest dekstop browser?
[07:43] <varunendra> b0x, do you know if the "Additional Drivers" program has been replaced by something funnier ? :P
[07:43] <b0x> varunendra: half the doc suggests doing it manually
[07:43] <b0x> its a mish mash of crap tbh
[07:43] <b0x> i tried manual install, additional drivers (few dif versions that were apparently supported)
[07:44] <b0x> few dif tutorials/docs on sites
[07:44] <b0x> the ubuntu site
[07:44] <b0x> all basically ended with loads of errors and non working pc until i removed them all
[07:44] <varunendra> b0x, needinghelp2, my deepest sympathies to you both then :P
[07:44] <b0x> thus
[07:44] <b0x> gave up
[07:44] <varunendra> good call. Nomodeset ftw !! :D
[07:47] <nseratewe> testtest
[07:49] <Scryptonium> hello everyone
[07:50] <mnemon> the nvidia drivers worked pretty well for me after few tries with different versions
[07:51] <needinghelp2> heh it worked, I went to additional drivers and installed the propietary software for the nvidia driver..everything is awesome now
[07:52] <needinghelp2> didnt even have to use the nomodeset thist ime
[07:55] <varunendra> needinghelp2, so where did you find the Additional Drivers thing? So that I can be confident next time .. ;)
[07:55] <varunendra> congratulations by the way needinghelp2 ! I guess you can change your nick now :P
[07:56] <TuttoIrc> ciao
[07:56] <TuttoIrc> !list
[07:57] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Yes, The additional drivers option is what worked.
[07:57] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Wonderfully I might add.
[07:58] <needinghelp2> varunendra, Now there is no delay in my typing, and everything is fast like it should be. WOOHOO! You are the greatest!
[07:58] <Dontneedhelpanym> There we go :)
[07:58] <varunendra> Dontneedhelpanym, :D
[07:58] <dontneedhelp> there thats better
[07:59] <varunendra> dontneedhelp, so what is the path to find Additional Drivers in 13.10 ?
[08:00] <Oog> i got rsyslogd 7.4.10 installed .... syslog still empty
[08:07] <dontneedhelp> varunendra, Did you see where I posted the path to it?
[08:07] <dontneedhelp> varunendra, I timed out I guess.
[08:09] <varunendra> dontneedhelp, nope, connection was broken I guess..
[08:10] <dontneedhelp> varunendra, I went to System Settings | Software & Updates | Additional Drivers Tab
[08:10] <dontneedhelp> varunendra, Without your help I would not be able to be enjoying Ubuntu on this new computer.  Thank you very much for your time and dedication to helping others.
[08:11] <varunendra> dontneedhelp, that's funny, because upto the second stage was already in my mind -- that's were we enable the repository for it :P
[08:11] <varunendra> and no problem dontneedhelp , we do it because we enjoy it :)
[08:11] <dontneedhelp> :)
[08:13] <Decstasy> Has someone an idea how to rebind a multimedia-key from mute speaker to mute microphone? It's a G15
[08:41] <jlmarks1> Howdy folks! I am attempting to create a launcher so that I can have a specific file on the unity launcher. I am attempting to loosely follow the instructions here: http://askubuntu.com/a/80016 , and my .desktop file looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6953347/ , however when I attempt to use that file, either from unity or nautilus it opens the application, but not the file. I can paste the "Exec" line into a terminal and it opens th
[08:56] <Fuzzles92> can someone help me please, i cant get audio out of hdmi and my tv works fine as well as the cable?
[09:00] <irssi-mike> Fuzzles92: not sure never tried it but i think up top on the right, settings, output set to hdmi?
[09:02] <vedranm> hey guys
[09:03] <vedranm> does 14.04 pre-release enable ibus by default for all users?
[09:03] <DJones> vedranm: Probably best if you join #ubuntu+1 and ask that question there, thats the support channel while its in development, people there will probably have a better idea
[09:04] <vedranm> DJones: k, thx
[09:04] <DJones> vedranm: Just be aware its a much smaller channel, so may take a while to get a reply
[09:05] <Hiro`> Hey everyone, I'm having a bit of a mare trying to sort out locales on my system. It says that I need language-pack-en to install it, but then when I try to install language-pack-en, it says that I need locales!
[09:05] <vedranm> DJones: k
[09:05] <Fuzzles92> can smeone help me, im having problem and getting no audio from hdmi my tv and cable are fine any ideas?
[09:09] <linuxearth> is it safe to do Bank transactions in the Tor web browser?
[09:11] <linuxearth> anyone is free here?
[09:11] <Fuzzles92> linuxearth, using a normal browser will be fine
[09:12] <yacc> Is there a guide (beyond reinstall) on how to proceed if one notices unauthorized access to an Ubuntu box?
[09:13] <linuxearth> Fuzzles92: ok but please elaborate with reason
[09:13] <varunendra> linuxearth, absolute safety does not exist on internet, but it is relatively safer. In fact any common browser or OS that forgets session changes will be equally safer in that respect
[09:13] <Guest3843> I have reinstall windows my grub menu not showing right now. I got a link "http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video"  after chroot when I tried to next command showing error "The program 'grub' is not installed "
[09:13] <x-os> Hello! Quick question...does anyone know if Cent OS uses systemd?
[09:13] <somsip> !ot | x-os
[09:14] <linuxearth> varunendra: but should I do those Bank transactions in Tor browser or not? Means is it okay?
[09:14] <x-os> ...oops sorry wrong channel
[09:14] <Guest3843> where am I wrong ?
[09:14] <varunendra> linuxearth, yeah it is okay. But be aware that Tor is meant to provide anonymity, not additional security to the 'Browser'
[09:15] <linuxearth> oh
[09:15] <linuxearth> varunendra: additional security like...?
[09:15] <varunendra> linuxearth, any decent browser on a live session (with no persistence) will be equally good.
[09:15] <linuxearth> varunendra: oh ok
[09:16] <linuxearth> varunendra: additional security like...?
[09:17] <mine> im not new to ubuntu, but new to ubuntu studio, any thoguhts?
[09:17] <ejv> yacc: what do you mean you noticed unauthorized access
[09:17] <somsip> mine: best if you ask a real question, or share your problem...
[09:18] <varunendra> linuxearth, like browser's own security options/patches etc. If a potential intruder/hacker somehow (very difficult in one session if you are careful, but possible) makes their way in your running session, they would have equal control over your browser, be it tor or chromium/ff etc.
[09:18] <Guest3843> after apt-get install grub showing error"E: package 'grub' has no installation candidate
[09:18] <varunendra> linuxearth, I meant chromium/ff *running on a simple live session*
[09:19] <linuxearth> varunendra: ok gotcha got!
[09:19] <yacc> ejv: well, I've noticed a secondary account logging in from a tor exit node, then there is this detail that somebody was trying to heat my home office by running a process called minerd, ...
[09:20] <ejv> yacc: logging in how?
[09:20] <linuxearth> varunendra: and by saying 'simple live session', u probably mean the the session in private browsing, correct?
[09:20] <yacc> ejv: sshd, ...
[09:20] <ejv> yacc: were they able to escalate their privileges to root?
[09:20] <varunendra> linuxearth, no private browsing is very different than live session.
[09:20] <yacc> ejv: the interesting part is, I'd expect the password on that secondary account was to weak, but I've found no password based login.
[09:21] <Malaysianprince> hello everyone!
[09:21] <yacc> ejv: yes, root was penetrated too.
[09:21] <jarope> hello
[09:21] <linuxearth> ok please explain it varunendra
[09:21] <varunendra> linuxearth, live session is related to the OS, when you boot it from a Live CD or USB, not the installed one. Like the Ubuntu Live CD.
[09:21] <ejv> yacc: well do whatever evidence gathering you can, then nuke it completely.
[09:21] <yacc> ejv: I'm currently backing up the filesystem onto hdd and preparing to reinstall.
[09:22] <ejv> yacc: make sure you don't backup the hole/vulnerability that caused it in the first place
[09:22] <linuxearth> varunendra: ok u mean that browsing is the safest? right?
[09:22] <ejv> yacc: why are you not using a firewall?
[09:22] <yacc> ejv: I don't plan to restore the backup beyond manually picking data.
[09:23] <Hiro`> It seems like there's a set of packages that are all messed up on my computer: language-pack-en, language-pack-en-base, locales and libc6. I'm trying to reinstall them or remove them and then install them again, but apt-get just returns errors, saying that they are installed but at the wrong version or, when I try to remove them, saying that they are not installed at all (so can't be removed).
[09:23] <varunendra> linuxearth, as long as it does not have "Persistence" (can't store the changes made during the live session), it is equally safe as the tor browser. Although I've read (haven't verified myself) that the Tor browser comes with good security plugins already installed (and some potentially weak functions disabled). So that may be a plus
[09:23] <yacc> ejv: well, I'll have to evalutate that one again, till now being selective about what services are running has been good enough,..
[09:23] <linuxearth> yeah varunendra
[09:24] <ejv> yacc: if you have any services facing the public internet, you need to be playing defense of some kind
[09:24] <linuxearth> varunendra, i am going and thanks for info man
[09:25] <yacc> ejv: how'd a packet filter would help me if the penetration was probably a guessed password?
[09:25] <letouriste> hello
[09:26] <letouriste> i'm apologize for my poor english but i'm french :)
[09:26] <letouriste> i've got a galaxy note 3 with 4 core  can i install phone ubuntu ?
[09:26] <ejv> yacc: think about it; if you have a firewall (hw or sw) that is only allowing certain traffic from certain origin addresses, then you cannot be attacked using conventional brute force dictionary attacks.
[09:27] <varunendra> !fr | letouriste
[09:27] <letouriste> ty
[09:28] <mark__> RSA key to add in Ubuntu for your laptop ??? anyone explain me
[09:28] <ejv> put some effort into your question
[09:29] <yacc> ejv: considering that password probing nowadays is done slowly and distributed, anyway new install it is, better passwords, less services, perhaps even packet filter, and even more seperations of concerns, sigh.
[09:29] <letouriste> quit
[09:29] <letouriste> exit
[09:29] <letouriste> ?
[09:30] <ejv> yacc: cool
[09:30] <varunendra> letouriste, if you are trying to leave the channel, try /part
[09:31] <madflintsam> I installed Ubuntu 13.10 on my laptop which already has windows 7 installed. I hadn't wanted to mess up the windows 7 MBR in case I decide to remove ubuntu later so I installed grub on the root partition(sda7). Now I don't get a boot menu the system boots directly into windows 7 as if linux doesn't exist
[09:31] <mark__> boss tell me :::Also mail me a RSA key to add in Ubuntu for your laptop, so that I can buy a Sandbox server for you.
[09:31] <ejv> mark__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[09:31] <ejv> enjoy
[09:32] <mark__> ejv: i already have the link but i need the usage of this?
[09:32] <cfhowlett> madflintsam, because the first bootloader it sees is belongs to windows
[09:32] <mark__> why he want the rsa
[09:32] <varunendra> madflintsam, Grub2 doesn't like to be installed in a partition. And the laptop's BIOS will look at the MBR, where there is no info about your Ubuntu installation.
[09:33] <varunendra> madflintsam, if you don't want to install Grub on MBR, try EasyBCD in windows
[09:33] <ejv> mark__: This is not the appropriate place to explain how public and private key pair authentication works; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography might be what you're looking for.
[09:34] <varunendra> madflintsam, it would be a very good idea to create a System Recovery CD from within windows and keep it safe.... no matter what you try
[09:34] <madflintsam> ok, will try out easyBCD. didn't want to install ubuntu all over again. thank you varunendra and cfhowlett
[09:34] <cfhowlett> madflintsam, ^^^ that
[09:34] <ejv> Also, it's taboo to private message people on Freenode.
[09:34] <madflintsam> I already have a recovery disc varunendra, thank you again
[09:35] <varunendra> np madflintsam :)
[09:36] <Hiro`> mark__: there are free courses on crytography available online. For instance, at Coursera (google "courera crytography").
[09:36] <Hiro`> But spell cryptography correctly.
[09:37] <Hiro`> And Coursera.
[09:37] <mark__> thanks
[09:44] <Hiro`> So, libc6 is supposedly at the newest version, but it breaks locales. Therefore, locales cannot be installed.
[09:44] <ikonia> how does it break locales ?
[09:47] <Hiro`> ikonia: it says that libc6 has unmet dependencies: libc6 : Breaks: locales (< 2.17) but 2.13+git20120306-3 is to be installed.
[09:47] <DamienCassou> hi
[09:47] <ikonia> Hiro`: where are you getting this from - it looks like a PPA/external repo
[09:47] <ikonia> hence the "git" postfix
[09:47] <ikonia> 1info libc6
[09:47] <DamienCassou> Ubuntu backup is not working fine for a few days now. I always get Error 500. Is it working for you?
[09:47] <Hiro`> ikonia: yes, not sure about that.
[09:47] <ikonia> Hiro`: I'd look into that as a matter of ugrency as if that's coming from a PPA your machine is probably screwed
[09:48] <Hiro`> ikonia: okay, how do I find out.
[09:48] <ikonia> Hiro`: have you enabled and PPA's or 3rd party repos ?
[09:49] <Hiro`> I've probably added a couple of PPA's for various bits and pieces.
[09:49] <ikonia> Hiro`: I'd put a lot of money that that is the problem
[09:50] <Hiro`> ikonia: So, the probability that machine is screwed is pretty high?
[09:50] <ikonia> I'd put money on it yes
[09:50] <Hiro`> :-(
[09:50] <Hiro`> Bummer
[09:50] <ikonia> I'd document which PPA's and 3rd party repos you've enabled
[09:51] <Hiro`> How would I go about that?
[09:51] <geirha> Hiro`: To see where a particular package version is coming from, use  apt-cache policy pkgname
[09:53] <jamesarnett> Hello
[09:53] <jamesarnett> anyone chatting in here?
[09:54] <Hiro`> OKay, libc6, installed: 2.17-92+b1, then it has a "version table", three versions listed, first in /var/lib/dpkg/status, second and third what looks like aan ubuntu repo.
[09:54] <ishitva> Greetings everyone ! I want to know how can I copy a folder into /var/www without using sudo again and again ? Can I do it using the graphical interface as well , which will make things a litlle easier for me ?
[09:54] <Seveas> jamesarnett: no, we're all on strike :)
[09:54] <jamesarnett> Seveas: hahahaha Hilarious
[09:54] <Seveas> ishitva: you clould make yourself owner of /var/www and everything in it
[09:54] <ishitva> How should I do it ?
[09:54] <jamesarnett> ishitva: or you can do sudo -i and it will make you root for the duration of the session
[09:55] <Seveas> ishitva: sudo chown -R yourloginnamehere /var/www  # but beware, if your webserver also needs to write to it, that will break things
[09:55] <jamesarnett> ishitva: then when you are done make sure to do quit
[09:55] <ishitva> okay , will then I be able to copy the files and make changes to the files using the graphical interface as well ?
[09:55] <Seveas> ishitva: absolutely
[09:55] <ishitva> okay
[09:56] <ishitva> I tried sudo su
[09:56] <Seveas> Hiro`: the one marked with '***' is the installed one
[09:56] <jamesarnett> ishitva: try sudo -i
[09:56] <ishitva> sure
[09:56] <ishitva> what does that -i option mean ?
[09:56] <jamesarnett> much simpler  and you dont have to change the permissions on everything
[09:57] <ishitva> Oaky
[09:57] <Hiro`> Seveas: that's 2.17-92+b1 0, 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status.
[09:57] <ishitva> Let me try
[09:57] <yacc> How to get rid of the "online user account" dialog  box in 13.10 unity?
[09:58] <ishitva> The paste button in the drop down is still comig to be locked
[09:58] <Hiro`> Locales pulls up nothing installed, candidate 2.13+git20120306-3 and lists the repo as http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/precise/main amd64 Packages
[09:58] <jamesarnett> ishitva: what gui interface are you using?
[09:59] <ishitva> Earlier I was using Gnome
[09:59] <jasef> I have an interesting issue: My Wifi doesn't work in 13.10, it just says 'Wi-Fi is disabled by hardware switch.
[09:59] <ishitva> but later some problem occured and mine shifted back to unity
[09:59] <sacrrie> hello
[10:00] <sacrrie> any one there?
[10:00] <worm`> Hi, what's the best way to disable power saving mode on ubuntu 12.10? I mean forever, so it doesn't come back after reboot
[10:00] <Seveas> hello sacrrie, there are hundreds of people here :)
[10:00] <sacrrie> how to open the resource file of XTerm? just want to enable the alt key
[10:01] <sandman13> does installing KDE on Ubuntu 13.10 messes Unity?
[10:01] <Seveas> sandman13: it shouldn't
[10:01] <sacrrie> when i looked up to the official site of xterm , it says to add a line of code into the resources file
[10:01] <sandman13> Seveas: what about Cinnamon 2.0?
[10:01] <sacrrie> heck,what is it?
[10:02] <sacrrie> i'm gonna google again
[10:02] <Seveas> sacrrie: why use xterm? terminator is much nicer
[10:02] <Hiro`> So I'm guessing that Ubuntu is tying to pull locales from the wrong repo. Is there a way to correct that?
[10:02] <sacrrie> i thought xterm is pretty fast when opening
[10:03] <sacrrie> ok, i will try terminator
[10:03] <kubuntu_user> hi there, I having much trouble with my dvb-s2-usb card. Can somebody help? dmesg looks like the card is loaded correctly and I am able to scan channels but do not get any result. I also compiled media-build-tree from linux.tv
[10:04] <Hiro`> saccrie: "Xresources is a user-level configuration dotfile, typically located at ~/.Xresources."
[10:04] <ishitva> Seveas: How to prevent things from breaking if I chown that group ?
[10:04] <kubuntu_user> w_scan says somethin like: signal ok:         S  f = 12515 kHz H SR = 22000  5/6 0,35  QPSK Info: NIT(actual) filter timeout
[10:04] <Hiro`> From: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/X_resources
[10:04] <Hiro`> If you don't see it, I guess you can just create it.
[10:04] <foo357> Hello, I'v egot a question about apt-get: I think there was some command to upgrade optional/alternative packages. I.e. "apt-get upgrade" doesn't upgrade so there was some other command to apply optional upgrades. This description mignt sound funny.
[10:05] <sacrrie> just create it ?
[10:05] <sacrrie> i 'll try
[10:05] <Seveas> ishitva: depends on what you use. e.g. wordpress needs write access to wp-uploads
[10:05] <ishitva> I am trying to install Bugzilla
[10:06] <Seveas> foo357: I think you are refering to apt-get dist-upgrade. apt-get upgrade will only upgrade packages but not install new dependencies, with dist-upgrade packages new dependencies will be upgraded as well, and it will install those dependencies
[10:07] <Seveas> ishitva: bugzilla also has a directory where it wants to store attachments, so you'll need to make that writable by the webserver
[10:07] <ishitva> okay , so what should I do now ?
[10:08] <Seveas> read the documentation for bugzilla :) (read: no idea, I haven't indstalled bugzilla in ages)
[10:08] <sacrrie> Terminator looks good, but the opening speed is a little slower than xterm
[10:09] <ishitva> Seveas: Okay :P
[10:09] <sacrrie> Hiro`, thanks body
[10:13] <Hiro`> sacrrie: np
[10:16] <Hiro`> So should I throw my laptop away and start again? Is there a way to correct my broken packages problem?
[10:16] <ActionParsnip> Hiro`: why not reinstall, the hardware is not faulty....
[10:17] <foo357> Seveas: thanks, that was it.
[10:17] <Hiro`> ActionParsnip: Just over-exaggerating for effect!
[10:18] <Hiro`> I mean, I'd prefer not to reinstall.
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> Hiro`: what is the issue?
[10:19] <Seveas> Hiro`: I missed the start of the conversation. What's broken?
[10:19] <scrachi> Bonjour
[10:19] <Seveas> bonjour scrachi. On parle anglais ici.
[10:19] <Seveas> !fr
[10:20] <Hiro`> The problem is that I can't install locales because of an unment dependency with libc6.
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> Hiro`: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[10:20] <Seveas> Hiro`: can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy locales; apt-cache policy libc6; sudo apt-get install locales
[10:20] <Seveas> ActionParsnip: he's on precise
[10:21] <Hiro`> Yeah, one sec
[10:23] <sacrrie> Hiro`,  after creating the Xresources file , problem solved, much obliged!!!
[10:24] <sacrrie> super happy now
[10:24] <Hiro`> Pasted here: http://pastebin.com/TLazebm6
[10:24] <Hiro`> sacrrie: no worries, I've been meaning to do that myself, actually!
[10:24] <DamienCassou> Ubuntu backup with Ubuntu One is not working fine for a few days now. I always get Error 500. Is it working for you?
[10:24] <ishitva> How can I free my port 80 from Open stack ?
[10:24] <ishitva> and associate with Apache ?
[10:24] <antifa> hi guys
[10:25] <Seveas> Hiro`: looks like you installed libc6 from another repo that you have since disabled
[10:25] <cfhowlett> antifa, greetings
[10:25] <antifa> some one has any ideas why can't I install nightingale add ons ?
[10:25] <Hiro`> Seveas: okay, can I re-enable it, or switch to another repo?
[10:25] <Seveas> Hiro`: try this: sudo apt-get install libc6=2.15-0ubuntu10.5
[10:26] <Seveas> that should downgrade to the Ubuntu version
[10:26] <Seveas> it may fail, pastebin output if it does
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> !info locales
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> !info locales precise
[10:27] <Hiro`> Falied: http://pastebin.com/QdyatUwe
[10:28] <madflintsam> hello varunendra, easyBCD did the trick, now typing from ubuntu. thank you again.
[10:28] <ikonia> the magic that is pointless PPA
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> libc6 2.17-92+b1   is a debian package.
[10:28] <ikonia> Hiro`: honestly - I would suggest backup, re-install, don't use PPA's
[10:28] <varunendra> madflintsam, you're welcome :)
[10:28] <ikonia> Hiro`: try to keep it simple
[10:28] <cfhowlett> !cookie|varunendra,
[10:28]  * varunendra nom-nom-nom... :P
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> Hiro`: you have added a Debian package to an Ubuntu box and mangled your deps
[10:29] <Seveas> Hiro`: hmm, looks like you have other problems too. What does 'apt-get -f install' say?
[10:29] <ikonia> I appreciate thats overkill but you've messsed around with the core library for the OS and it will have dependencies, you may find it easier to just re-install to a known safe point and learn the lesson before going forward.
[10:29] <Hiro`> A
[10:29] <ikonia> hang on - this isn't mint is it
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: +1
[10:29] <ikonia> the debian mint repo
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: he has libc6 2.17-92+b1   is a debian package
[10:29] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: also debian-mint
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: that'll do it
[10:30] <Hiro`> Seveas: It says: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[10:30] <Hiro`>  
[10:30] <antifa> any one has any idea why this is hallening ? Nightingale could not install the file at
[10:30] <antifa> http://wiki.getnightingale.com/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=addons:birdtune-1.3.8.xpi
[10:30] <antifa> because: Unexpected installation error
[10:30] <antifa> Review the Error Console log for more details.
[10:30] <antifa> -203
[10:31] <Seveas> Hiro`: k, looks like ikonia and ActionParsnip are correct then, you've mangled too many libraries by installing packages from mint. It's recoverable but will take time. You'll need to downgrade/remove many packages. A reinstall may be quicker.
[10:31] <Hiro`> Okay, so I've added a repo from another linux distro, and this has mangled my installed packages.
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Hiro`: you are either using Mint, or added the Mint PPA to Ubuntu and mangled your OS. I suggest a reintsall
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Hiro`: yes, reinstall
[10:31] <Seveas> another victim of the annoyance that's mint.
[10:31] <Hiro`> When I first installed Ubuntu, I installed a couple of different desktops for it.
[10:32] <ikonia> Seveas: just PPA annoyance
[10:32] <ikonia> could be $any PPA and the odds are the same result
[10:32] <Hiro`> Okay.
[10:32] <Seveas> ikonia: hmm, not any PPA. I maintain a few that are safe :)
[10:32] <Hiro`> But it seems like sometimes PPAs are necessary to get the right software installed through apt-get.
[10:33] <antifa> Nightingale could not install the file at
[10:33] <antifa> http://wiki.getnightingale.com/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=addons:birdtune-1.3.8.xpi
[10:33] <antifa> because: Unexpected installation error
[10:33] <antifa> Review the Error Console log for more details.
[10:33] <antifa> -203
[10:33] <Seveas> antifa: stop pasting crap in here.
[10:33] <ikonia> Seveas: yes, I'd count that one as "safe" but it really is the exception
[10:33] <cfhowlett> antifa, STOP
[10:33] <ikonia> Hiro`: they are pretty much never nessasary, and if they are the source of the PPA should be checked
[10:33] <Hiro`> I do a lot of programming and this requires installing  lot of software.
[10:33] <antifa> ok ok
[10:33] <cfhowlett> !paste|antifa,
[10:33] <ikonia> Hiro`: all of which should be available in the ubuntu repos or trusted 3rd parties
[10:33] <Seveas> ikonia: well, PPA's can help a lot when you don't want to install lots of things in /usr/local
[10:34] <antifa> that is the error code I am getting
[10:34] <antifa> ok
[10:34] <Seveas> there's so much on CPAN or PyPI that's not packaged or where packages are outdated
[10:34] <ikonia> Seveas: I don't disagree a lot, however %90 of the PPAs are idiots trying to do it,
[10:34] <ikonia> with no thought for the base OS, the file system layout or conflicts
[10:34] <ikonia> or upgrade support
[10:34] <Seveas> well, that too. We should have something like vetted ppa's, but we're going rapidly OT here ;)
[10:34] <Hiro`> So, in the future, should I try to avoid adding PPA and use git or download precompiled binaries . . . ?
[10:34] <ikonia> Seveas: a very old argument which I've lost
[10:35] <ikonia> Hiro`: what software do you need that's not in the ubuntu repos
[10:35] <Seveas> Hiro`: use PPAs with care. Basically never install from PPA's what's available in normal repos
[10:35] <Seveas> so if a PPA ships things like libc6, or unity: avoid!
[10:36] <ikonia> Seveas: and thats the issue average joe does'nt know it ships libc as a dependency for "super cool binary version 1.1"
[10:36] <Seveas> well, you can see which packages are in a PPA
[10:36] <ikonia> Seveas: and those guys should be banned from running a PPA
[10:36] <ikonia> Seveas: most do'nt know how/don't understand the implications
[10:36] <Hiro`> Well, I can't think of aything off the top of my head. I can remember having to install Python3.3, which wasn't avaiable for precise from the repos. Someone added it to a PPA and we installed from that.
[10:36] <ikonia> Hiro`: right, so python is used a lot in ubuntu - why would you need 3.3 ?
[10:36] <ikonia> more so if you are writing apps to be used by ubuntu
[10:37] <Hiro`> For a course, which required 3.3.
[10:37] <Seveas> ikonia: python 3.3 isn't that bad from a PPA *if* it doesn't change the /usr/bin/python3 symlink
[10:37] <ikonia> Seveas: and there is thee failure..
[10:37] <Seveas> but yeah, caveat ppaor
[10:38] <Hiro`> It was a bit of a pain actually.
[10:38] <ikonia> Hiro`: it seems unlikley a course would rquire 3.3 as it's still very new, eg: 3.4 only came out a week or so ago
[10:38] <Hiro`> Then I had 2.7, 3.2 nd 3.3.
[10:38] <ikonia> it's more likley it's 3.X - in which case 3.2 would work fine and it ships with ubuntu
[10:38] <Hiro`> Well, it *did* require 3.3.
[10:38] <Seveas> Hiro`: next time it may be better to use an Ubuntu version which ships 3.3 (such as 13.10), but hindsight is always 20/20 :)
[10:38] <Hiro`> No point arguing about this!
[10:39] <Hiro`> Yeah, damint!
[10:39] <Seveas> ikonia: actually, a requirement for 3.3 may not be that unexpected, it fixed a lot of things
[10:39] <Hiro`> Okay, so what is the best stable Ubuntu to upgrade to un your opinion?
[10:39] <Seveas> basically, I consider python 3.0/3.1/3.2 almost unusable for serious work
[10:40] <ikonia> Hiro`: not an upgrade, a clean install
[10:40] <ikonia> !info python
[10:40] <ikonia> 1info python
[10:40] <Seveas> I like 13.10, it's recent and (at least for me) super stable. You may be able to upgrade from your slightly mangled box, but no guarantees
[10:40] <ikonia> 2.7.5 in saucy ??
[10:40] <ikonia> !info python3
[10:40] <Hiro`> Right,sorry,  new install, but which version?
[10:40] <ikonia> ahh there we go, 13.10 ships with 3.3.2
[10:40] <Seveas> for new installs, definitely go for the latest
[10:41] <Hiro`> IIRC, autograder function required some stuff from 3.3.
[10:41] <Hiro`> Seveas: 13.10 -- are you on LTS?
[10:42] <Seveas> 13.10 is not an LTS
[10:42] <Hiro`> Okay.
[10:42] <Seveas> LTS is overrated
[10:45] <Hiro`> Right, good to know. Bit depressed that I'm going to have to do a re-install of my whole wretched system, but at least I know what the problem is! Guys, you've been a great help.
[10:45] <Seveas> Hiro`: well, try the upgrade first, it may just work
[10:46] <zetheroo> Whenever I mount a samba share I am asked for my sudo password ... is there a way to stop this behaviour?
[10:47] <ejv> stable? 12.04.4 LTS or Debian 7.0. I'd stay away from everything else.
[10:47] <ikonia> change the sudo rules
[10:47] <ikonia> zetheroo: how are you mounting it ?
[10:47] <zetheroo> ikonia: via nautilus
[10:48] <ikonia> zetheroo: that should be user space so should not ask you for sudo passwords
[10:48] <zetheroo> ikonia: yes, I am not sure why it's asking for it ...
[10:48] <ikonia> zetheroo: explain how you are trying to mount it
[10:48] <ikonia> zetheroo: walk me through the process
[10:49] <zetheroo> ok
[10:49] <Hiro`> Seveas: what upgrade?
[10:50] <Hiro`> ejv: really?
[10:50] <linuxearth> where is the option for password protecting -- libre office doc and kwrite?
[10:50] <zetheroo> I open Nautilus, go to Browse Network > Windows Network > MT > Fileserver > smb share
[10:50] <ikonia> linuxearth: on what distro as you are asking in multiple distro channels
[10:51] <Rory> linuxearth: You want to save a document that requires a password to open, using Libreoffice?
[10:51] <ejv> Hiro`: if you meant stable in the enterprise, commercial sense, yes, stay away from the 13+ branch entirely. pick something that's held up against the test of time.
[10:51] <Rory> linuxearth:  File –> Save. On the Save dialog box, check the box at the bottom left to Save with password.
[10:51] <zetheroo> Ikonia: weird .. this time I opened the share and no request for password ...
[10:51] <tomz123> Is there any way I can record which user/users read a specific file?
[10:51] <zetheroo> ikonia: maybe I only have to put it in once after booting up!?
[10:51] <ikonia> zetheroo: yeah, sudo credenticals will be cached for 15 minutes
[10:52] <zetheroo> ah
[10:52] <cfhowlett> linuxearth, librewriter>file>save with password
[10:52] <ikonia> zetheroo: just testing it now,
[10:52] <Hiro`> ejv: I want to minimise the amount of stuff like this that I might have to do with it.
[10:52] <zetheroo> ikonia: I should mention that the first time I mounted the shares I have to enter my domain credentials
[10:53] <zetheroo> don't know if that makes a diff
[10:53] <Hiro`> Not sure what you mean by commercial, enterprise sense.
[10:53] <ikonia> zetheroo: that's not unreasonable as you are authenticating against a domain - so you'll need to tell the domain your credenticals
[10:53] <zetheroo> yes
[10:53] <ejv> "stable" means different things, to different people.
[10:53] <ikonia> zetheroo: it's the sudo password that's concerning me
[10:53] <zetheroo> but then after that it also asked me for my sudo pass
[10:53] <zetheroo> right
[10:53] <Hassan_> plase help me
[10:53] <Hassan_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206094
[10:59] <Hiro`> ejv: so you reckon, stay with 12.04 LTS?
[11:00] <linuxearth> where is the option for password protecting -- libre office doc
[11:00] <cfhowlett> linuxearth, librewriter>file>save with password
[11:00] <linuxearth> oh i was disconnect, please repeat
[11:03] <tomz123> Is there nothing I can do?
[11:03] <tomz123> Is there any way I can record which user/users read a specific file?
[11:03] <ikonia> tomz123: there are audit tools, but that level of auiditing would be quite serious
[11:04] <cfhowlett> !auditi
[11:04] <tomz123> I'll leave it then
[11:09] <rosco_y> I want to partition a second hard disk, and I'm wondering "what is super-standard"?
[11:10] <jatt> / in one partition /home in another
[11:15] <ikonia> zetheroo: I've just allowed my sudo credentials to expire, and mounted a windows share exactly as you, I got prompted for my domain credentials, but not sudo
[11:15] <ikonia> zetheroo: I've just verified this on ubuntu 12.04, 13.10 and Fedora 10
[11:15] <ikonia> 20
[11:15] <ikonia> zetheroo: it seems it's quite common across gnome in general and ubuntu
[11:16] <ikonia> zetheroo: there must be something broken on your setup, or the sudo prompt was for something else.
[11:19] <Guest3843> hello every one is there any safe way to remove older version ubuntu from grub menu
[11:19] <Guest3843> ?
[11:21] <varunendra> Guest3843, you mean the kernel versions right? Or did you have multiple installs of Ubuntu?
[11:22] <krishna_> join 123
[11:23] <krishna_> how to download and use uc browser in ubuntu
[11:25] <krishna_> hhi
[11:25] <Guest3843> varunendra, I have install 10.10 and 12.04 so I want to remove 10.10.
[11:26] <cfhowlett> krishna_, uc browser appears to be for cell phones
[11:27] <geirha> Guest3843: You can, but they'll reappear next time a kernel update comes along
[11:28] <krishna_> how to install hamradio software in ubuntu???
[11:28] <Guest3843> varunendra, in grub menu list is longer so I want to remove option in grub .My grub should only two one ubuntu 12.04 and windows
[11:28] <cfhowlett> krishna_ from the software center
[11:29] <geirha> Guest3843: update-grub looks through all your harddrives and generates the menu with all the OSes it found. So if you remove the partiton with 10.10 on it, then run update-grub, it should disappear from the menu.
[11:29] <krishna_> ok cfhowlett, download from that but not working
[11:30] <cfhowlett> krishna_, name of the program?
[11:30] <varunendra> Guest3843, exactly what geirha said above. If you have removed the older Ubuntu installation, the command "sudo update-grub" will automatically fix it for you.
[11:32] <Guest3843> varunendra, actually I have install 10.10 and 12.04 too.
[11:32] <Guest3843> varunendra, I want to remove 10.10 from my system.
[11:33] <krishna_> cfhowlett, program name is gpspk
[11:33] <Guest3843> varunendra, I have given above command and it is complete now.
[11:34] <varunendra> Guest3843, from within 12.04?
[11:34] <cfhowlett> krishna_, gpspk doesn't show in my software center or on google
[11:34] <Guest3843> varunendra, yes from 12.04
[11:34] <varunendra> Guest3843, and is 10.10 on a different partition?
[11:35] <Guest3843> varunendra, yes
[11:36] <varunendra> Guest3843, then probably the safest option is to install Gparted (sudo apt-get install gparted), run it and delete the partition that holds 10.10. Then run the "sudo update-grub" command again.
[11:36] <krishna_> sorry Mr.cfhowlett,pgm name is gpsk31
[11:36] <varunendra> Guest3843, you can then use the empty space for either Ubuntu or windows, as you wish.
[11:37] <cfhowlett> krishna_, try a command line install: sudo apt-get install gpsk31
[11:39] <Guest3843> varunendra, sudo apt-get install gparted showing unable to locate package
[11:40] <varunendra> Guest3843, is the Ubuntu machine connected to internet?
[11:40] <Guest3843> varunendra, sorry just connecting
[11:41] <varunendra> :)
[11:41] <varunendra> Guest3843, you may also have to run "sudo apt-get update" once..
[11:42] <Guest3843> varunendra, okay
[11:42] <Hassan_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206094
[11:42] <Hassan_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206094
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[11:42] <Rubas> Stop spamming Hassan_
[11:42] <Hassan_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206094
[11:42] <Hassan_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206094
[11:42] <krishna_> ok cfhowlett, now i am having ubuntu11.10 but i need to install ubuntu12.04 how to install it
[11:42] <Rubas> Thanks DJones
[11:43] <Seveas> thanks DJones, I was half a second away from !o-ps :)
[11:43] <cfhowlett> Hassan_, that there is the exact way to get ignored --- oh wait,
[11:43] <Guest3843> varunendra, updating taking some time.
[11:43] <DJones> No probs, I'm sure he'll be back, seems to be a frustrated user wanting support, saw the question about an hour ago
[11:43] <cfhowlett> DJones, +1
[11:44] <Hassan_> help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2206094
[11:44] <cfhowlett> Hassan_, nope
[11:44] <Seveas> Hassan_: get out.
[11:44] <yacc> Anyway to access a ecryptfs home directory on an external device?
[11:44] <Hassan_> Ok !
[11:45] <Seveas> yacc: you should be able to mount it if you have the correct passphrase
[11:45] <varunendra> Guest3843, yeah, that's normal. With only default repositories enabled, it shouldn't be more than 20 MB though
[11:45] <johnnydevil> Hey all
[11:45] <beep_odx> hey hi guys
[11:45] <Guest3843> varunendra, its 90% done
[11:46] <Guest3843> varunendra, it again showing 65%
[11:47] <yacc> Seveas: and how do I do that?
[11:47] <varunendra> Guest3843, must be showing for individual repositories. Have you also PPAs in your repositories or is it a fresh install with defaults?
[11:47] <rosco_y> Do I have to edit fstab to automatically mount a second hard drive that I want to use as a file store?
[11:47] <yacc> Seveas: passphrase = password?
[11:47] <Guest3843> varunendra, its fresh install now
[11:48] <Seveas> yacc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1508111
[11:48] <varunendra> rosco_y, yes
[11:48] <Seveas> err, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually
[11:48] <rosco_y> varunendra: ty
[11:48] <Seveas> rosco_y: if it's a USB drive, it should automatically be mounted when you plug it in. For internal drives, editing /etc/fstab is correct
[11:56] <Guest3843> varunendra, when i update grub it showing found 10.04 now. what is this?
[11:58] <varunendra> Guest3843, have you deleted its partition?
[11:59] <Guest3843> varunendra, no
[11:59] <Guest3843> varunendra, how can i do?
[12:00] <varunendra> Guest3843, install gparted > run it > Identify the 10.10 partition (this is important, so you don't end up deleting wrong partition) > delete it.
[12:01] <Guest3843> varunendra, gparted shows partition of 10.10?
[12:02] <varunendra> Guest3843, it is a partitioning tool. It'll show all available partitions. You'll have to make sure that you can clearly identify the target (10.10) partition in it. By it's Label, size.... whatever makes it different.
[12:04] <Guest3843> varunendra, when i give command sudo apt-get install gparted it showing unable to lock administration directory
[12:04] <Guest3843> varunendra, is another process using it.
[12:04] <varunendra> Guest3843, means you have another program running that has the lock. Is the "Software Update" or "Ubuntu Software Center" open?
[12:05] <Guest3843> varunendra, yes
[12:05] <varunendra> which one Guest3843 ?
[12:05] <Guest3843> varunendra, after complete i will do.
[12:05] <varunendra> yup
[12:11] <teo__> ATTENZIONE: Non e' stata intercettata la versione originale di lynx.
[12:11] <teo__> Questo script e' in grado di funzionare sono con lynx e non links2.
[12:12] <DJones> !it | teo__
[12:21] <Guest3843> varunendra, thanks for reply i will try tater
[12:23] <varunendra> Guest3843, no problem, just make sure NOT to run "update-grub" from within 10.10, or the system would be unbootable when you delete its partition.
[12:24] <Tom11>  varunendra:i am trying to dual boot mint and puppy linux using grub boot loader, but its giving me errors,
[12:25] <varunendra> Tom11, I'm not a dual boot expert, just know the basics, and it goes beyond basics when you talk about anything other than Windows (upto 7) and Ubuntu :P
[12:26] <varunendra> Tom11, already tried #mint ?
[12:26] <arcsky> how do i test if my hdd and mem works perfect? from cli
[12:26] <yacc> Any idea how to create a mini.iso based USB stick. The usb-creator does not work for it.
[12:26] <varunendra> (if there is such a channel that is..)
[12:26] <WestJ> Hello guys
[12:26] <cfhowlett> yacc, try unetbootin
[12:26] <yacc> unetbootin?
[12:26] <cfhowlett> !mint
[12:27] <varunendra> arcsky, memory test can only be reliable when you test it BEFORE booting your OS
[12:27] <yacc> cfhowlett: I don't want to use Linux Mint.
[12:27] <yacc> cfhowlett: I want to use a text based installer
[12:27] <WestJ> Does anyone have a sure-fire fix for Intel/AMD DYNAMIC Switching Graphics on notebooks? Or am I doomed to forever hate AMD's driver developers?
[12:27] <cfhowlett> yacc, that wasn't for you - see unetbootin
[12:28] <Tom11> varunendra:i am trying to put both mint and puppy linux in same hdd under different partitions and want to have both os, i want to dual boot it.
[12:28] <yacc> cfhowlett: the new installer has a number of issues with LVM/LUKS => e.g. I'm missing the LVM options while creating partitions, and so on.
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> yacc: the mini iso installs in text mode
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> yacc: as does the alternate ISO
[12:28] <yacc> ActionParsnip: there is no alternate ISO anymore for 13.10
[12:29] <yacc> ActionParsnip: and the mini.iso does not boot if I just dd it onto the USB stick.
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> yacc: did you try unetbootin?
[12:29] <yacc> ActionParsnip: what's unetbootin
[12:29] <cfhowlett> !unetbootin
[12:30] <varunendra> Tom11, I have zero experience (and awareness) about Puppy, but the last time I heard about it, it probably used Grub legacy. So which one have you installed first which one later?
[12:30] <yacc> ActionParsnip: Well, that's a recursive issue => I'd had to install Windows first
[12:30] <yacc> ActionParsnip: No Windows here around.
[12:30] <Tom11> varunendra: i have installed puppy linux first, then mint.
[12:31] <varunendra> Tom11, despite Mint being Ubuntu based, this is not the right place to discuss that. Not because we don't want to, but because we can't help much with what we don't know enough about.
[12:31] <yacc> ActionParsnip: as I said the mini.iso does not work when dd-ed onto the disk.
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> yacc: you can install unetbootin in Linux and Mac
[12:31] <yacc> ActionParsnip: wine?
[12:31] <Tom11> varunendra: no problem, anyways thanks for the help.
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> yacc: no, it runs on both Windows and Mac, so if you have either you can make a bootable usb using that
[12:32] <varunendra> Tom11, either try a Mint Linux channel, or post your problem in detail at ubuntuforums.org (under "Other OS" section).
[12:32] <yacc> ActionParsnip: I have no Windows nor Macs, but I see apt-get seems to know it.
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yacc: how are you chatting now? phone?
[12:33] <arcsky> varunendra: ok and hdd?
[12:33] <jasef> What's the best way to downgrade a package? I'm trying to downgrade network-manager to the 13.04 version
[12:33] <yacc> ActionParsnip: suspect Ubuntu install
[12:33] <PinkSwing> Good morning. I am trying to install the latest stable release version of Audacity (currently 2.0.5) on Ubuntu 12.04. The version in the Ubuntu repositories is 2.0.0. Audacity maintain a nightly build PPA but I want the stable release not nightly builds. So it seems installing from source is the answer. I am following the instructions at http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/CompilingAudacityForBeginners#simple but when I come to "sudo apt-
[12:33] <yacc> ActionParsnip: suspect as in I need a fresh install ;)
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> yacc: can you not install unetbootin on that?
[12:33] <PinkSwing> yacc: In Synaptic you can force a version by right clicking
[12:34] <yacc> ActionParsnip: I just did, I had the impression it's Win/Mac only.
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> !info unetbootin | yacc
[12:34] <PinkSwing> Sorry. That was for someone else.
[12:34] <PinkSwing> jasef: In Synaptic you can force a version by right clicking
[12:34] <jasef> PinkSwing: I'm currently stuck in command line.
[12:35] <varunendra> arcsky, depends on what filesystems you have on the HDD. If it is all linux EXT, you may simply run "sudo fsck -f" from a live session. If it has windows partitions, you must check them with windows "chkdsk" or something similar. Scanning the disk for errors is all you can check.
[12:37] <varunendra> arcsky, apart from physical/logical errors on the disk/filesystem, the general performance depends on general maintenance. Which means a little knowledge and a lot of habits :)
[12:38] <PinkSwing> jasef: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138284/how-to-downgrade-a-package-via-apt-get
[12:38] <jasef> PinkSwing: Thanks! :)
[12:44] <yacc> Sigh, mini.iso written via unetbootin to an USB stick is not recognized by my laptop as boot media, it boots straight to the hdd :(
[12:53] <yacc> Any way to change the VG name created by the GUI installer?
[12:54] <ikonia> vgrename
[12:54] <yacc> ikonia: will the laptop still after vgrename?
[12:54] <ikonia> yes
[12:56] <dupingping> Hi
[12:56] <dupingping> How can i create a proxy relayer in ubuntu13.10?
[12:57] <dupingping> this proxy relayer with SOCKS, SOCKS5 and HTTP.
[12:57] <yacc> ikonia: well, it boots into the initramdisk, so no, vgrename after the install is not a recommended thing, I guess.
[12:58] <ikonia> yacc: should be
[12:58] <yacc> ikonia: well, vgrename && reboot is not.
[12:58] <ikonia> errr you don't just do that
[12:58] <ikonia> things will be referencing it by name/uuid
[12:59] <ikonia> you've just changed it
[12:59] <ikonia> so you need to update things referencing
[12:59] <yacc> ikonia: it complains that it cannot find oldname.
[12:59] <ikonia> of course,
[12:59] <ikonia> you've not told it about the new name
[12:59] <yacc> ikonia: yeah, that's why I asked.
[12:59] <ikonia> you just asked how to change the volume group name
[12:59] <yacc> ikonia: in the GUI installer
[12:59] <yacc> ikonia: :)
[13:00] <yacc> ikonia: just out of curiosity, where would I need to change the stuff after vgrename?
[13:00] <ikonia> anywhere thats referencing it, eg: grub, fstab,
[13:03] <yacc> ikonia: well, let's see if I can get the stupid thing to install on the new mSATA, then accessing the old install under the new name is not much of an issue :)
[13:04] <jasef> I'm running Ubuntu 13.10; I've booted an old kernel for testing, and I keep getting 'No session found for uid 1000' when I try to connect to a wifi network.
[13:04] <jasef> Any ideas?
[13:04] <ikonia> you've changed your user that used to be uid 1000 ?
[13:05] <jasef> ikonia, no; the same happens for any user.
[13:05] <jasef> ikonia, I haven't changed any uids.
[13:05] <ikonia> what's complaining about now session ?
[13:05] <ikonia> does it always say uid 1000
[13:06] <jasef> It's when I connect to a wifi network.
[13:06] <jasef> And it says the uid of whatever user is logged in.
[13:06] <zetheroo> ikonia: ok .. thanks ... do you know how to get a smbcred file to work for the purpose of mounting the samba shares via fstab?
[13:06] <yacc> How do I create a LVM in the partition editor in the GUI installer?
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> zetheroo: http://anothersysadmin.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/howto-mount-samba-shares-in-fstab-using-a-credential-file/
[13:07] <yacc> I can create a LUKS container => but there seems to be no way to create the VG/LVs.
[13:07] <ikonia> yacc: you have to have a volume group defined before it will allow it
[13:07] <ikonia> luks....ah, that will make it more complex
[13:08] <yacc> ikonia: I'm talking GUI Ubuntu Installer => where do I create the VG before?
[13:08] <zetheroo> ActionParsnip: but there is no mention of domain there
[13:08] <zetheroo> ActionParsnip: I have already done this pretty much ... but am getting permission denied errors
[13:09] <ice9> after I installed gnome-shell lxde and then removed them and rebooted, now in unity the mouse cursor disappeared however it's there I can't blindly move it and click things but it's not visible
[13:09] <yacc> ikonia: the old text mode installer you assigned some partitions into a PV role and then it allowed you to create LVs in the next step, ...
[13:09] <zetheroo> ActionParsnip: the fields I have in my smbcred file are username, password and domain ... but still no luck
[13:10] <yacc> ikonia: LUKS does not make it more complex, I cannot create a LVM manually in the GUI installer without LUKS either, no user interface there to do the deed.
[13:11] <dupingping> How can i create a proxy relayer in ubuntu13.10?
[13:11] <dupingping> this proxy relayer with SOCKS, SOCKS5 and HTTP.
[13:12] <dupingping> Plz, help me.
[13:12] <yacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/installation-guide/amd64/ch06s03.html#di-partition <= that's bullshit, that talks about the text mode installer that is not available anymore, ...
[13:13] <ikonia> yacc: luks does make it more complex, but if you think not, so be it and good luck
[13:14] <yacc> ikonia: the manual partitioning on the 13.10 GUI installer has no way that I can see to create a LVM VG => that's the issue. I can create the LUKS PV. But I cannot create the LVM VG with or without LUKS.
[13:15] <ikonia> does the installer actually support non-luks volume groups /
[13:16] <yacc> ikonia: the issue is that the installer seems to have no LVM "UI controls". => the automatic setup (which is wrong in this context) automatically selects LVM if you select LUKS.
[13:16] <ikonia> yacc: right, so the answer to my question is "probably no"
[13:17] <yacc> ikonia: what's wrong => with a SSD and LUKS you certainly want to leave space unused, to help the poor beast with garbage collection.
[13:17] <ikonia> yacc: what ?
[13:17] <yacc> ikonia: Seems like the 13.10 supports LVM/LUKS only in fully automatic mode, always using ubuntu-vg as VG, and so on.
[13:18] <yacc> ikonia: LUKS (by design) precludes the SSD from TRIM support => so it might make sense to leave say 20-40GB unused so the SSD has a bigger buffer for garbage collection.
[13:18] <ikonia> yacc: buffer for garbage collection ??? what are you talking about
[13:19] <yacc> ikonia: SSDs. Look up the internals, "garbage collection" == "making overwriteable NAND flash blocks available" => part of all modern SSDs.
[13:20] <ikonia> yacc: I know what garbage collection is, but what you've said makes no sense
[13:20] <yacc> ikonia: considering that the difference between a good and a bad SSD is how it's controller handles garbage collection, ...
[13:21] <ikonia> yacc: I'm aware of how an SSD works, but what you said about leaving space for garbage collection makes no sense
[13:22] <Guest6255> fstrim would help
[13:22] <yacc> ikonia: it makes sense, if the controller knows that the space is empty. It's basically "user-visible" overprovisioning.
[13:22] <ikonia> yacc: no, it makes no sense
[13:23] <del1> hello
[13:23] <yacc> ikonia: why not?
[13:23] <ikonia> yacc: because it doesn't make sense, "over provisioning" for "garbage collection" ?????
[13:24] <ikonia> yacc: carry on and waste your disk if you feel it adds value,
[13:24] <del1> is there any opensource free monitoring software which works on client server basis, and all the clients will countinuously send the status messages to main host for further processing.
[13:24] <iceroot> del1: nagios
[13:24] <del1> alternate to mont m/monit
[13:25] <del1> iceroot, ok. will check it out. thanks.
[13:25] <iceroot> del1: i would say nagios is the standard application for monitoring solutions
[13:25] <Vivekananda> hi everyone
[13:26] <Vivekananda> I added added iso to multiboot but dont know how toremove one ?
[13:26] <del1> iceroot, ok
[13:26] <Vivekananda> can anyone gimme an idea
[13:26] <del1> Vivekananda, you mean dd to pendrive?
[13:27] <Vivekananda> yes I used this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/  as suggested by people here
[13:27] <yacc> anyway, the partitioning via LUKS/LVM in the automatic mode also failed.
[13:31] <varikonniemi> is there some way to get a tooltip popup in ubuntu 12.04 that shows file size etc.
[13:35] <yacc> Funny, the installers defaults to ecryptfs even with LUKS/LVM ;)
[13:35] <del1> Vivekananda, so why not just connect the pendrive and delete the specific image ?
[13:37] <Vivekananda> yes going to do that
[13:41] <zetheroo> I cannot get the samba shares mounted via terminal or in fstab
[13:41] <ikonia> zetheroo: explain ?
[13:41] <zetheroo> no matter what command/options I use I get: mount error(13): Permission denied
[13:42] <ikonia> zetheroo: show me your mount command
[13:42] <zetheroo> but the credentials work via nautolus
[13:42] <Vivekananda> I used this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/  to get iso in
[13:42] <Vivekananda> how do I remove an iso :(
[13:42] <zetheroo> ikonia: last command I tried was "sudo mount -t cifs //server-name/sharename /mnt/mntdir -o credentials=.mycredentials,sec=ntlmssp"
[13:43] <ikonia> zetheroo: ok, so I'd suggest getting rid of the credentials options, and manually entering them first
[13:43] <ikonia> zetheroo: also nautiluse will be mounting with fuse, not cifs
[13:43] <ikonia> zetheroo: so there is differences
[13:43] <zetheroo> ikonia: I also mount -t cifs //tank/projekte/ /mnt/projekte/ -o username=user@domain,password=*****,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777"
[13:44] <zetheroo> ikonia: sorry, mean to say "I also did: ....."
[13:44] <ikonia> zetheroo: your using sudo right ?
[13:44] <varunendra> Vivekananda, are you using MultiSystem?
[13:45] <zetheroo> and I also tried "mount -t cifs //tank/projekte /mnt/projekte/ -o username=domain\username,password=*****"
[13:45] <zetheroo> ikonia: all as root
[13:45] <ikonia> the root user is locked on ubuntu
[13:45] <Vivekananda> varunendra: hii good to see you. Yes I used it to create the dvd but now dont know how to delete it
[13:45] <zetheroo> ikonia: how do you mean?
[13:45] <ikonia> zetheroo: the root account is locked, you should not be "root"
[13:46] <zetheroo> ikonia: well I "unlock" it ;)
[13:46] <yacc> ikonia: ok, where specifically do I need to change the VG group to keep the box booting? => grep -r ubuntu-vg /etc gives only hits in /etc/lvm
[13:46] <varunendra> Vivekananda, assuming you have installed it on Ubuntu, run it again while the pen drive is connected. There is an "Uninstall" button on its GUI. Select the ISO in its list (it will automatically detect the installed ones) and click the Uninstall button
[13:46] <ikonia> yacc: I explained to you earlier
[13:47] <zetheroo> ikonia: I am used to working in root ... as I work in root on all our servers ...
[13:47] <Vivekananda> hmm
[13:47] <halyna> quit
[13:47] <Vivekananda> the uninstall on selection starts to uninstall multisystem instead
[13:47] <yacc> ikonia: and I'm asking now where these would be explicitly, because neither /etc (beside /etc/lvm) nor /boot mention ubuntu-vg, if I believe grep -r
[13:47] <Vivekananda> varunendra:
[13:47] <ikonia> yacc: re-read what I told you earlier, I explained what it will reference and gave 2 examples
[13:48] <varunendra> Vivekananda, it's quite some time since I used it. I'm describing by memory.. But is the pen drive detected? And the ISOs on it?
[13:48] <yacc> ikonia: and I just told you that neither /etc nor /boot contain the VG name when I grep for them.
[13:55] <Vivekananda> varunendra: yes both
[13:55] <Vivekananda> I am trying to install to vbox but says usb not detected
[13:56] <yacc> reboot
[13:56] <yacc> oops, sorry.
[13:56] <yacc> two keyboards on a desk lead to such oopses :(
[13:57] <varunendra> Vivekananda, booting, or even detecting USB in VBox is a different issue. Even if the USB is bootable, VBox may not detect or boot from it.
[13:58] <varunendra> By the way, Vivekananda I just noticed that the author has also provided an Ubuntu installer for YUMI now. (not that I'm now recommending to install that instead ;) )
[14:03] <ice9> global menu items in all apps are inactive! any idea?
[14:04] <Rory> ice9: Does this persist after logging off and on again? Does it always happen? What Ubuntu version?
[14:04] <RonnieS> Can anyone hint me in a direction as to when or if php will be updated on 12.04 LT ??
[14:05] <hitsujiTMO> !latest | RonnieS
[14:05] <Rory> RonnieS: It's highly unlikely new major version will be available in main update repository. What version do you require?
[14:05] <ice9> Rory: yes, it happened after installed gnome-shell I think, I'm on Ubuntu 13.10
[14:06] <Rory> ice9: Is this in the Unity desktop environment or gnome shell? Also what do you mean by "inactive" ?
[14:06] <RonnieS> @Rory atm it uses php 5.3.* which is end of life as soon php 5.6 is out.. which is.. any day now
[14:06] <Rory> RonnieS: There's a new Ubuntu LTS coming out in April, probably better off waiting til then
[14:06] <ice9> Rory: in unity,  the items are there but un-selectable; I removed gnome-shell and problem remains
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> Rory: unity is a shell, not a desktop ;)
[14:06] <hitsujiTMO> RonnieS: if you want a later implementation of PHP either use 13.10, or use a PPA
[14:06] <RonnieS> Okay, Thanks for the answer Rory, i have been looking for answers for that in a long time
[14:07] <RonnieS> Considered using PPA
[14:07] <RonnieS> But it sucks to have a LTS with a php version that will be come insecure as there are no more security updates for 5.3
[14:08] <Rory> ice9: Do you have another user account you can try, to see if the problem only affects your user? You cn use the guest user for example
[14:09] <RonnieS> Thanks for the answers though =] have a nice day
[14:09] <Rory> ActionParsnip: A better way to phrase it would be "Did you select Ubuntu Desktop or Gnome Shell from the login screen?"
[14:09] <OerHeks> RonnieS, php 5.5.9 in this ppa for precise 12.04 lts >> https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/php5
[14:09] <hitsujiTMO> RonnieS: With 14.04 just around the corner its not a massive issue. LTS is aimed at longterm stable setups so having the PHP version update mid release can break some web apps. https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/php5 is prob the best PPA to use for a later PHP implementation
[14:10] <RonnieS> DerHeks and can i use the PPA without having to read the source?
[14:10] <RonnieS> securly?
[14:10] <Rory> RonnieS: http://askubuntu.com/questions/109404/how-do-i-install-latest-php-in-supported-ubuntu-versions-like-5-4-x-in-ubuntu-1
[14:10] <Rory> RonnieS: There's always risk in using a PPA, but that one is pretty widely used
[14:10] <RonnieS> I guess i will have to compile myself
[14:11] <Rory> RonnieS: If it's critical, why not use Ubuntu 13.10?
[14:11] <RonnieS> Rory it is not critical, it is common sense not to have such a old version of php
[14:11] <RonnieS> imo
[14:11] <Qache> dzien dobry
[14:11] <Rory> RonnieS: Linux distros (apart from rolling ones) don't tend to just update major versions of applications like that as a rule
[14:12] <Rory> RonnieS: Especially stuff like php/apache which could massively break a deployment
[14:12] <RonnieS> I am unsure how you see that as breakage
[14:12] <Vivekananda> rebooted
[14:12] <Rory> RonnieS: You are under the impression that the obvious default behaviour ought to be "always have the latest upstream version"
[14:13] <RonnieS> no no
[14:13] <Vivekananda> varunendra: if usb cannot be detected then how will I test it ?
[14:13] <Vivekananda> :(
[14:13] <RonnieS> but a end of life ...
[14:13] <Rory> RonnieS: Whereas the situation as it stands is "Release security updates for the version we shipped with"
[14:13] <hitsujiTMO> RonnieS: commands become deprecated/obsolete in major updates so sites fail that use said commands after upgrades
[14:13] <RonnieS> okay
[14:13] <zetheroo> ikonia: any ideas about the samba issue?
[14:14] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I think two things are needed - 1) VBox Extension Pack must be installed to enable USB2 compatibility, 2) You must be a member of "vboxusers" group
[14:14] <RonnieS> =] have a nice one
[14:15] <Vivekananda> varunendra: I used the iso directly and now vbox tells me that my bios might need an upgrade
[14:15] <Vivekananda> I will have to check my current bios version and the available version
[14:16] <varunendra> Vivekananda, means the VM's BIOS version or the physical computer's BIOS?
[14:16] <Vivekananda> Well the error came up on the VM
[14:16] <Vivekananda> so not sure which but the 64 bit booted up fine.
[14:16] <Vivekananda> so then should I now delete multisystems and just use one
[14:16] <CYR4N0> does anyone know where the proxy settings are saved when you enter them in during a minimal ubuntu install with the mini install cd?
[14:17] <varunendra> Vivekananda, is it that you booted 64 bit on a 32 bit VM?
[14:17] <Vivekananda> owww hmm I am not sure
[14:17] <Vivekananda> I just downloaded the vm from the repos and I have installed a 32 bit
[14:17] <Vivekananda> ubuntu now !
[14:18] <varunendra> Vivekananda, the VBox version will be same as your Host OS, but the VM (virtual Machine) architecture is what you choose while creating it.
[14:18] <Vivekananda> let me check
[14:18] <ikonia> zetheroo: I'd strip it down to the minimum options and work it through, make sure the cifs kernel module is loaded
[14:18] <varunendra> s/version/arch
[14:19] <Vivekananda> says : name : my name  and OS Type : ubuntu 64 bit
[14:19] <aliomid730_> is there anyone to help to install smokeping on ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[14:19] <varunendra> Vivekananda, and is running now? Then it is obviously a 64 bit VM :)
[14:20] <Vivekananda> yes not running but in the process of installing
[14:20] <Vivekananda> I will install fully to make sure
[14:20] <Vivekananda> but if it instals then why is multiboot glitching
[14:20] <Vivekananda> also here :
[14:20] <cyford> after updates  my command lind is all  jarbled    even new commands after  i restart
[14:20] <varunendra> Vivekananda, if it even booted the ISO successfully, it means the architecture is a suitable one.
[14:21] <Vivekananda> yes that I can understand
[14:21] <Vivekananda> but why is my multiboot causing issues
[14:21] <Vivekananda> you know what I can format that drive on the usb and install the yumi
[14:21] <Vivekananda> would that be better to try ?
[14:21] <varunendra> Vivekananda, you are booting directly from the ISO, not from the USB right?
[14:21] <Vivekananda> yes directly from ISO
[14:22] <varunendra> Vivekananda, then the USB complexity is out of the way in this case.
[14:22] <noobler> Hello, I just downloaded ubuntu 13.10 and I noticed on the iso file that it says amd64, but i've got an intel and I can't find any intel versions
[14:22] <Vivekananda> yes
[14:22] <Vivekananda> so now my question is how do I put this iso on the usb and create the multiboot and use it ?
[14:23] <DJones> noobler: As long as you've a 64 bit processor, its the same, its just historical in that AMD got to 64 bit first
[14:23] <noobler> DJones oh perfect, thank you!
[14:23] <varunendra> Vivekananda, it is quite possible that whatever 'glitch' you mention was related to VBox's ability to handle USB, not related to what kind of boot loader it had.
[14:24] <varunendra> Vivekananda, if you are going to boot Physical machines from this USB, why not test it on them directly?
[14:24] <noobler> Vivekananda, I arrived late but could you restate your problem? I have some experience with booting operating systems from usb
[14:24] <cyford> my   terminal  commands look like this after updates ...
[14:24] <Vivekananda> varunendra: no what I meant is that the glitch I mentioned happend when I rebooted my computer NOT the Vm , into the usb
[14:24] <cyford> }ԭ��{ū���m[^D�U^PK}q�ĻH�(^M���K�04��,t�U�l���ҹP�v�=[�^_}�Iż���^X��{����^R���^P}U
[14:25] <varunendra> Vivekananda, you mean you tried booting your physical computer with the USB and it failed?
[14:25] <hitsujiTMO> DJones: AMD didn't get 64bit first. don't forget things like IA64. AMD developed the widely adopted 64Bit arch spec thats IA32/i386 compatible   and now Intel licence it from AMD
[14:26] <noobler> lol
[14:26] <nikolam> I have an idea. Can one do fresh Ubuntu install inside BTRFS subvolume, that is mounted from Live CD? and then change GRUB2 on the system to just boot from new install?
[14:26] <Pici> cyford: type 'reset'
[14:26] <DJones> hitsujiTMO: Well, I thought a simple answer was probably quicker :)
[14:26] <noobler> and much more appreciated by noobs like myself^^
[14:26] <nikolam> so that way having multiple systems on same BTRFS, in different subvoolumes...
[14:26] <Vivekananda> noobler great. I am using multiboot from this page to create a usb with two partitions . the fat one is where I am installing it ( the other is ext3) . I have put in two isos both ubuntu 12.04 and now trying to boot into the usb to install the os but after booting the graphics and everything becomes all weird . I tried then to use the iso in a vbox and the vbox bootedfine only with 1.5 gig ram and my system has 4 gigs in total
[14:27] <Vivekananda> varunendra: yes my physical computer with multiboot usb
[14:27] <noobler> Vivekananda so you put two identical operating systems onto 1 usb with 2 partitions?
[14:27] <Vivekananda> and it booted it but on trying to install it gave me weird errors : nouveau drivers and stuff
[14:27] <varunendra> Vivekananda, what is the graphics card in your computer? It could be a graphics driver issue
[14:28] <cyford> Pici  i typed reset   and still same thing
[14:28] <cyford> even after reboot
[14:28] <cyford>   when i type a new command it shows fine till ireboot
[14:28] <varunendra> Vivekananda, ouch! nouveau = nvidia = problem sometimes (or often)
[14:28] <Vivekananda> noobler: no I created two partitions p1 : fat32 ( contains iso1 and iso2 ) p2: ext3 ( contains random files no isos )
[14:28] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: whats the output of: locale
[14:29] <Vivekananda> varunendra: yes but then why does the same problem not show up in  1. vbox  2. booting the 32 bit os for ubuntu
[14:29] <varunendra> noobler, Vivekananda used MultiSystem to make it a MultiBoot USB (putting two ISOs on it)
[14:29] <cyford> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[14:29] <cyford> LANGUAGE=en_US:en
[14:29] <cyford> LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
[14:29] <cyford> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <cyford> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <cyford> LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
[14:29] <cyford> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <cyford> LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
[14:29] <cyford> LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <cyford> LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <DJones> cyford: Please use pastebin
[14:29] <cyford> LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <gordonjcp> !paste | cyford
[14:29] <varunendra> Vivekananda, because VMs use generic hardware, not your physical ones
[14:29] <cyford> LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <cyford> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <cyford> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:29] <cyford> LC_ALL=
[14:29] <Vivekananda> I used this http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ noobler
[14:29] <varunendra> !pastebin | cyford
[14:29] <cyford> ok
[14:30] <Vivekananda> varunendra: hmm so thne what is the workaround
[14:30] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: :P also can you pastebin, the output of: echo $PS1
[14:30] <Vivekananda> also should check my bios versions too I have a lenovo T61
[14:30] <varunendra> !nomodeset | Vivekananda , this may be your workaround
[14:31] <noobler> Vivekananda if the problem is showing up when booting directly from the usb, then it seems like it might be a driver issue. Like varunendra said, vboxes use generic hardware and therefore come pre-set with drivers for many linux distros
[14:31] <Vivekananda> varunendra: my bios version says : 7LETC6WW (2.26 ) for lenovo T61 2.1 ghz
[14:31] <Vivekananda> can someone tell me if this is the latest ?
[14:32] <Vivekananda> noobler: makes sense
[14:32] <varunendra> Vivekananda, we had a similar problem with nvidia this afternoon. The nomodeset option should give you a usable desktop environment, where you can proceed to installing the OS or installing a suitable driver for the card.
[14:33] <cyford> http://pastebin.com/a5y3hmTX
[14:33] <alnkpa2> hey, I'd like to use ecryptfs-migrate-home and have two questions: what does "USER really must run ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase(1) or zescrow(1) and record their randomly generated mount passphrase." mean and what happens if I don't? and: will my home dir automatically get decrypted after migration?
[14:33] <noobler> Vivekananda the 2.1 ghz is the t61 right, not t61p?
[14:34] <Vivekananda> also noobler also tell me this if you have used multiboot. How do I delete an iso from it . What I get as the screen is thsi http://imagebin.org/294251
[14:34] <Vivekananda> yes no p
[14:34] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: hmm, everything looks ok there at least. What exactly was done before all this started happening?
[14:34] <cyford> updates
[14:35] <Vivekananda> varunendra: in the link above there is a menu for uninstall but let me show you what it does on clicking
[14:35] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: do you know what packages were updated? you should be able to get that info from the apt logs
[14:35] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: also is this just specific to your user, or does it effect other users?
[14:35] <riverloop> Is 14.04 stable enough for daily use?
[14:36] <hitsujiTMO> !trusty | riverloop wrong room for such questions
[14:36] <cyford> hmm  i havent tryed other users,  since i only have 1 on my laptop
[14:36] <Vivekananda> http://imagebin.org/294253 varunendra
[14:37] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: can you try creating a user and testing. also, does it happen under a vtty (ctrl + alt + f1, etc)
[14:37] <Vivekananda> btw varunendra I share part of your name here :)
[14:37] <cyford> i have been running these commands    for my wine  http://pastebin.com/ptnszkxx
[14:37] <noobler> Vivekananda why don't you start with this. Format the USB again, put your active partition and your ext partition, then put 1 iso in, see if it works. If it does then I think by putting the second ISO in a different partition, it should fix your problem.
[14:38] <Vivekananda> noobler: should I go with multiboot or do I go with just creating a live usb with just one os ?
[14:38] <cyford> when i type  it looks fine,   only all messages  that are saved before reboot looks like that
[14:38] <Vivekananda> noobler: also could you tell me if my bios is the newest ?
[14:39] <noobler> for this time, go with the live usb with just one os. but make sure you format two partitions exactly the way you have it set up now. only difference, you install only one iso vivekananda
[14:39] <varunendra> Vivekananda, oops, definitely not the option we want :P Does the "Boot" menu give anything useful? If not, I hope just deleting/moving the ISO + Update Grub2 should do the job
[14:39] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: export language=en_us.utf-8 is incorrect. its: export LANGUAGE="en_US.UTF-8"
[14:40] <noobler> vivekananda according to the site, your pc should be using the 2.30-1.08 version
[14:40] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I was momentarily confused seeing "varun" in the terminal - same user id here too :P
[14:40] <noobler> you're at 2.6 which isn't too outdated. but before messing with the BIOS, try the live usb option first Vivekananda
   could that be the reason
[14:42] <philinux> riverloop;~ join #ubuntu+1 channel
[14:42] <Vivekananda> varunendra: I said 'part' of your name and I knew you would see that
[14:42] <hitsujiTMO> cyford: not sure. you'd have to change it and test
[14:42] <Vivekananda> noobler: okay I understand so for now I go with only live usb
[14:42] <noobler> cyford: it's possible being that all linux distros are case-sensitive
[14:42] <riverloop> philinux: thanks.
[14:42] <Vivekananda> and not with installing multiboot again
[14:43] <Vivekananda> varunendra: which 'boot' menu are your referring to ?
[14:43] <noobler> Vivekananda yes, this way we can weave out the problem step-by-step. if it fixes it, then you know that the problem is multi-boot. If it doesn't fix it, then we know multi-boot is fine and it's probably a driver issue.
[14:43] <cyford> ok  ill check   and if not working i make new user an test before getting  back
[14:44] <varunendra> Vivekananda, the Boot 'tab' here : http://imagebin.org/294251
[14:44] <Vivekananda> noobler: okay am on it but a format of mysystem would erase my os and I wll come back to you guys only ain a bit :(
[14:44] <Vivekananda> oo okay
[14:44] <Vivekananda> lemme try
[14:45] <noobler> Vivekananda no no no i don't mean wipe your hardrive. I mean only the usb. unless this OS you're currently on is on your usb. Then i would only clean out the partition.
[14:45] <noobler> well i'm going to go figure out my problem lol. Thank you for the help. Good luck with yours Vivekananda
[14:46] <Vivekananda> hmmm okay
[14:46] <samson> Hello :-)
[14:48] <Vivekananda> varunendra: is yum a newwer version or is multiboot
[14:48] <Vivekananda> if only I could start either well could I not just test this on my system ?
[14:49] <Vivekananda> I dont know what noobler meant by only formatting my usb. Even if I did thathow would I know if itworks or not ? varunendra ? unless I use it to install the os somewhere ?  either vbox ormy physical machine
[14:51] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I am almost 100% sure the problem is the nvidia graphics. It is going to be the same regardless of how you boot the ISO. The nomodeset option is the only lifesaver if it is what I think it is
[14:53] <wrongplace> how do I edit filenames with gmusicbrowser?
[14:58] <Vivekananda> varunendra: okay then how do I set it ?
[14:58] <Vivekananda> when booting from multiboot ?
[14:58] <shahhena95> I have downloaded qt for linux and its a .run file. How do i install it ?
[14:59] <n-iCe> hello, chrome is playing youtube videos in fast mode
[14:59] <k1l_> shahhena95: what do you need qt for?
[14:59] <n-iCe> Any idea?
[15:00] <varunendra> Vivekananda, did you see the purple splash screen while booting from it?
[15:00] <irssi-mike> shahhena95: i'm gonna venture a guess and say chmod +x *.run && ./*.run
[15:01] <Vivekananda> yes I did but rightafter that when the desktop shows up it went all crazy and hung and black and white
[15:01] <shahhena95> irssi-mike: I tried that, the exceution stops after a while
[15:01] <k1l_> irssi-mike: shahhena95 no! why do you not use the package system in first place?
[15:01] <k1l_> shahhena95: what do you want to do at all?
[15:02] <Vivekananda> varunendra: i am going to try a single iso via unetbootin
[15:02] <varunendra> Vivekananda, perfect. Then press any key as soon as you see that purple screen. It should show you "Advanced Boot Menu" then, where you can select "Try.., Install, Check disc for defects" etc. options.
[15:02] <shahhena95> k1l_ : I have downloaded qt setup thats .run file, I want to install it
[15:02] <k1l_> shahhena95: ubuntu ships already qt stuff
[15:02] <Vivekananda> okay ten ..
[15:03] <Vivekananda> which option do I choose or what do I nter in the cli ?
[15:03] <shahhena95> k1l_: before installing i searched for qt , I couldnt find it. So i installed all that :P
[15:03] <k1l_> shahhena95: :/
[15:03] <shahhena95> k1l_ : how to i launch the qt environment ?
[15:03] <varunendra> Vivekananda, press F6 on that screen. It should pop up a menu with "nomodeset" (and other) option in it
[15:04] <k1l_> !info libqt4-dev
[15:04] <varunendra> Vivekananda, see this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Ubuntu_CD_Advanced_Welcome_Page_Options
[15:04] <shahhena95> k1l_ : :(
[15:05] <whoever> shahhena95: did you get it yet ?
[15:05] <k1l_> shahhena95: first rule is to use the package system. otherwise you will get into trouble.
[15:05] <shahhena95> whoever : I dint get it
[15:06] <whoever> shahhena95: how did you install it ? from source om package manager ?
[15:06] <shahhena95> k1l_ : yeah..i got it :). I installed it from source
[15:06] <whoever> shahhena95: if from source, remove it, and install it from the package manager
[15:07] <shahhena95> whoever: package manager ?? :|
[15:08] <Mion> shahhena95: aptitude install whatever
[15:08] <Mion> `man aptitude` for details
[15:08] <Vivekananda> varunendra: nope sorry I did not go as far as that page
[15:09] <whoever> shahhena95:  the package manager will als make it easier to maintan
[15:09] <shahhena95> mion and whoever : terminal is showing no manual entry fir aptitude
[15:09] <varunendra> Vivekananda, could you get the Advanced Menu?
[15:09] <shahhena95> for*
[15:09] <whoever> shahhena95: or just use software center
[15:09] <Vivekananda> the multiboot loader comes up and on choosing theos  the ubuntu logo with the moving dots comes up and right after it ie when the first pic on the page should show ( intro) it misbehaves
[15:09] <whoever> shahhena95: its on launcher, it looks like a folder with an "A"
[15:10] <Mion> shahhena95: <tab> key will autocomplete nicks for you in all sane irc clients
[15:10] <Vivekananda> varunendra: I am not deletting multiboot and creating a single boot unetbootin iso
[15:10] <Vivekananda> lemme see how that goes
[15:10] <shahhena95> whoever : software centre i know :P
[15:10] <varunendra> Vivekananda, the first pic on the page is the default booting, we have to avoid that by breaking the default progress
[15:11] <shahhena95> thanx Mion :)
[15:11] <whoever> Vivekananda: so  what is your issue with your boot loader
[15:11] <shahhena95> thanx whoever :)
[15:11] <whoever> shahhena95:  np
[15:11] <shahhena95> whoever: then what i need to install for Qt?
[15:12] <varunendra> Vivekananda, if you press 'Any' key during the splash screen, you would never get the screen as the 'First' pic on the wiki page, instead you'll get the alternative menu which is what we need
[15:12] <shahhena95> settings or creator or what ?
[15:12] <Vivekananda> varunendra: okay trying it now
[15:12] <whoever> shahhena95: qt4 setings, qt4 creater
[15:12] <Vivekananda> if I get it i need to know what to do
[15:12] <Vivekananda> coz I wont have net then
[15:12] <whoever> shahhena95: both
[15:13] <shahhena95> whoever : Thank you so much ..... :)
[15:13] <whoever> shahhena95: if you don't need the settings you can remove it later
[15:13] <Vivekananda> whoever: sad situations and have been going on and on :(
[15:13] <shahhena95> whoever : :)
[15:13] <Vivekananda> in short multiboot is not working and my comp is giving issues of 'noveau drivers' so perhaps nvidia
[15:14] <Vivekananda> what do I type  / key in if I get the alternate menu ?
[15:14] <Vivekananda> after choosing f6 ?
[15:14] <whoever> Vivekananda: at boot, at this stage your video is usually not going to be an issue
[15:14] <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. I am having some problems putting together a .deb package from source
[15:14] <Vivekananda> varunendra:
[15:15] <_UsUrPeR_> I am pretty sure there is a better channel to discuss this
[15:15] <_UsUrPeR_> but am unsure what it is
[15:15] <_UsUrPeR_> any suggestions?
[15:15] <varunendra> Vivekananda, it should pop up a menu which should have the "nomodeset" option in it. Select it using the arrow keys > press Spacebar > press 'Esc' > Enter
[15:15] <whoever> Vivekananda: if this grub2? did you create it yourself, or edit a pre
[15:15] <whoever> exsisting one
[15:15] <Vivekananda> whoever: i created a multiboot cd with two iso, booted intoit and on starting ubuntu 64 bit after the ubuntu logo with running dots the screen goes bad ie black and purple
[15:16] <Vivekananda> varunendra: ok got it
[15:16] <Vivekananda> trying now
[15:16] <varunendra> Vivekananda, so it is - Any key during purple splash screen > F6 > nomodeset > enter
[15:16] <alnkpa2> hey, I'd like to use ecryptfs-migrate-home and have two questions: what does "USER really must run ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase(1) or zescrow(1) and record their randomly generated mount passphrase." mean and what happens if I don't? and: will my home dir automatically get decrypted after migration?
[15:17] <whoever> varunendra: i think he missed a step in using is multiboot creation tool
[15:17] <_UsUrPeR_> at the risk of being annoying: I am having some problems using aclocal while trying to create a .deb package from source. What's the proper irc channel to talk this out?
[15:17] <varunendra> whoever, which step?
[15:17] <alnkpa2> _UsUrPeR_: might wanna try #autotools
[15:17] <whoever> varunendra: maybe he didn't like the answers we were giving him
[15:18] <_UsUrPeR_> alnkpa2: thanks for that. I'll head on over
[15:18] <whoever> varunendra: when you preview befor the multiboot iso builds you need to edit your grub config and the boot location is wrong
[15:19] <whoever> varunendra: and instread of erroring out or erroingout as quickly as he would hope for he gets the black screen
[15:19] <varunendra> whoever, he said he got the purple screen with dots, so I thing the grub part is okay
[15:20] <whoever> varunendra: there might even be a buringing speed issue , if you burn too fast you can also get the same prob
[15:20] <varunendra> think *
[15:20] <whoever> varunendra: or i didn't read the dots
[15:20] <varunendra> whoever, it was an ISO on USB, so the burning issue is ruled out
[15:21] <varunendra> whoever, also, he mentioned that a VM in VBox booted just fine from the same ISO, so the ISO is intact as well..
[15:24] <whoever> varunendra: ah , so that leave burn speed, did he ever say what tool he used to creade the multi boot
[15:24] <varunendra> whoever, MultiSystem
[15:27] <whoever> varunendra: did he ever test is multi-boot in a vm  or just burn it
[15:28] <_UsUrPeR_> alnkpa2: #autotools seems to be the place, but the channel doesn't have anyone active. Are you familiar with autotools?
[15:28] <whoever> i had the same issue he is describing but it was booting a thumbdrive in vmware
[15:29] <whoever> and the only way i got aroud that was breating the iso and launching it without the thu
[15:29] <whoever> thubdrive
[15:29] <alnkpa2> _UsUrPeR_: sorry, only very slightly
[15:29] <varunendra> whoever, he was probably having trouble in making the usb detected in VBox - a common problem, often easily solvable, but he (or 'we') didn't bother. He booted directly from the ISO and it booted fine, installed fine on the VM
[15:30] <_UsUrPeR_> alnkpa2: no problem. I'm going to start over
[15:30] <whoever> varunendra: ya, sounds right, he left befor either of us got to asking about the usb
[15:31] <varunendra> whoever, you mean you were trying to directly boot the USB in vmware? That capability is not yet available in any VM platform I think
[15:32] <varunendra> whoever, although there is a workaround - Plop
[15:39] <ice9> I installed unity 8 using apt-get, how do I run it?
[15:40] <whoever> varunendra: yes it was a while ago and that was how i discoverd plop
[15:40] <hitsujiTMO> ice9: you'll have to read the dev docs: https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/
[15:42] <hitsujiTMO> ice9: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/unity-8-ubuntu-13-10-arrives might be more akin to what you're looking for if you installed from repo
[15:44] <Xuisce1> hi all
[15:44] <Xuisce1> :)
[15:45] <hitsujiTMO> hey waterboy
[15:45] <zerowaitstate> I'm trying to forward X11 over SSH, but I'm getting an error on the server side
[15:45] <Xuisce1> hitsujiTMO:  waterboy
[15:45] <Xuisce1> ?
[15:45] <zerowaitstate> xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
[15:45] <zerowaitstate> xterm: DISPLAY not set
[15:46] <hitsujiTMO> uisce = irish for water ... sorry. THink of that every time i see your name
[15:46] <Magiobiwan> Did you enable X-Forwarding when connecting zerowaitstate?
[15:46] <Magiobiwan> And is it enabled in the SSH Server config?
[15:47] <zerowaitstate> I am using ssh -YC to connect to the remote host. The remote server is 12.04.3 LTS and the client is 13.10
[15:47] <ActionParsnip> zerowaitstate: did you connect with the -X option?
[15:47] <zerowaitstate> ActionParsnip: I tried that also
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> zerowaitstate: you need that option to enable it, be sure it's not a lower case x
[15:50] <zerowaitstate> never mind. googled the solution
[15:50] <SeeBorg> gnikllort
[15:51] <Xuisce1_> hi
[15:51] <zerowaitstate> there was an error in the /etc/init/ssh.conf file
[15:51] <SeeBorg> googled the solution
[15:51] <Xuisce1_> !iran
[15:51] <lemixtape2> Hey! Trying to install Ubuntu Server 12.04.3. When I get to the drive partitioning, I keep getting the error that the drive is not mountable. When I go into syslog, I see the error: unable to find swap-space signature. Any suggestion?
[15:51] <SeeBorg> there was an error in the solution
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> lemixtape2: did you set a swap partition?
[15:54] <lemixtape2> ActionParsnip: Yes. I have a root, home, swap and boot partition.
[15:55] <lemixtape2> ActionParsnip: Swap is 16384MB for 8GM of RAM.
[15:56] <lemixtape2> ActionParsnip: Root is 15GB Primary. Boot is 400BM Primary. Home is 218GB Logical.
[15:56] <lemixtape2> ActionParsnip: Any suggestion on what do try?
[15:57] <SeeBorg> lemixtape2: did you set a swap partition?
[15:57] <lemixtape2> SeeBorg: I am in the installer. Trying to make one alongside the root, home and boot partitions.
[15:57] <lemixtape2> SeeBorg: I am using manual partitioning instead of guided.
[15:57] <SeeBorg> seeborg: i keep getting the drive is 16384mb for 8gm of ram.
[15:58] <lemixtape2> SeeBorg: Any suggestion?
[15:59] <marni> hmm having trouble installing ati radeon driver.. [AMD/ATI] RV200/M7 [Mobility Radeon 7500]. on Dell Inspiron 5100.  v. 12.04
[16:01] <v0lksman_> hey all!  I'm trying to clean up my /boot partition but when trying to remove packages it tries to install new ones leading to errors about disk space etc...how can I force the removal of the packages?
[16:02] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ do you mean old kernels?
[16:02] <v0lksman_> philinux: yeah and headers
[16:02] <Mion> headers shoundln't fill up /boot
[16:03] <lemixtape2> Hey! Trying to install Ubuntu Server 12.04.3. When I get to the drive partitioning, I keep getting the error that the drive is not mountable. When I go into syslog, I see the error: unable to find swap-space signature. Any suggestion?
[16:03] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ I always use this http://tuxtweaks.com/2010/10/remove-old-kernels-in-ubuntu-with-one-command/
[16:03] <v0lksman_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955091/
[16:03] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ see step 6 and dry run
[16:04] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ have you this package installed apt-cache policy linux-generic
[16:06] <v0lksman_> philinux: only linux-generic: linux-generic-lts-quantal         3.5.0.44.50
[16:06] <v0lksman_> although I'm running precise so I'm not sure why a quantal package is there
[16:06] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ ok
[16:06] <hirsty> hey all can someone translate a zip command into a rar command for me?
[16:07] <hirsty> (wanting to split into chunks under linux and unzip under windows)
[16:07] <v0lksman_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955124/  <- dry run of the page you suggested
[16:08] <v0lksman_> philinux: ^
[16:09] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ you could try unistall the quantal package and then see
[16:12] <impossible> does this work as well?: sudo dd if="disk-image" of=/dev/sdb1
[16:12] <impossible> i think i've done that and it has worked, putting an iso in my usb
[16:12] <impossible> but i think the correct way is sudo dd if=/dev/sdb1 of="disk-image"
[16:13] <v0lksman_> if = input file of = output file
[16:13] <v0lksman_> philinux: had to resort to dpkg -r and manually remove a bunch of packages
[16:13] <v0lksman_> seems to be doing something now
[16:13] <helmut_> hi
[16:13] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ linux-generic always points to the latest kernel so it's needed
[16:14] <F0UL> philinux: Yes generic is best for desktop
[16:15] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ and it's in precise repo as it should be
[16:18] <lemixtape2> Hey! Trying to install Ubuntu Server 12.04.3. When I get to the drive partitioning, I keep getting the error that the drive is not mountable. When I go into syslog, I see the error: unable to find swap-space signature. Any suggestion?
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> hirsty: install unp and you can use it for any archive
[16:19] <schoppenhauer> is it possible to have a global menu in Gnome 3?
[16:19] <schoppenhauer> (using 12.04)
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: that is default in Ubuntu
[16:19] <schoppenhauer> ActionParsnip: not here.
[16:19] <schoppenhauer> ActionParsnip: how can I activate it?
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: Ubuntu 12.04 uses Gnome 3 as the DE and Compiz as the WM and Unity as the shell
[16:20] <philinux> schoppenhauer;~ are you running unity?
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: so by using Unity, you are using Gnome 3
[16:20] <impossible> i thought gnome 3 didnt use compiz
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> impossible: yes, it does in Ubuntu
[16:20] <philinux> impossible;~ unity is a compiz plugin
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> impossible: gnome shell uses Mutter
[16:20] <schoppenhauer> Not sure whether I run unity.
[16:20] <impossible> oh so it doesnt in like fedora>
[16:20] <impossible> ?
[16:20] <schoppenhauer> how can I determine?
[16:20] <impossible> gotcha
[16:20] <v0lksman_> anyone know if this is right?  Linux-generic version is 3.5.0-43, linux-virtual is 3.2.0-58
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: what is the output of:  ps -ef | egrep -i 'compiz|mutter'
[16:21] <v0lksman_> 3.2?
[16:21] <schoppenhauer> ActionParsnip: only 1000     14565 14508  0 17:21 pts/3    00:00:00 egrep --color=auto -i compiz|mutter
[16:21] <philinux> schoppenhauer;~ desktop in unity looks like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_%28user_interface%29
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: then you mangled the command
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: or are you running Gnome shell instead of Unity?
[16:23] <philinux> v0lksman_;~ http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/linux-generic
[16:23] <schoppenhauer> ActionParsnip: probably.
[16:24] <schoppenhauer> ActionParsnip: I do not want unity anyway. But the global menu would be nice.
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: can you find an image online that your desktop looks like
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> schoppenhauer: or give a screenshot using imageshack etc
[16:25] <Turingi> Are you able to play TF2 from native steam with an AMD card on ubuntu 13.1 right now?
[16:25] <schoppenhauer> ActionParsnip: like this: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GvJG7HT5800/TomeBmITKbI/AAAAAAAAGGo/wvelRJOnnn8/Workspace%2525202_076.png
[16:27] <schoppenhauer> ActionParsnip: so it is probably the gnome shell
[16:28] <fsasdf421> hi, got a problem here, i cannot get higher resolution than 1360x768, im using 1920x1080 monitor, and vga and gpu is geforce 210 and i have installed nvidia driver from "additional drivers"
[16:28] <Rory> Turingi: Not sure about TF2 specifically, but I've played other Source-engine games on my Radeon HD6970
[16:29] <Rory> fsasdf421: What ubuntu version are you using?
[16:29] <fsasdf421> 12.04 LTS
[16:29] <fsasdf421> if it matters mobo is asus a8n-e, cpu athlon 64 x2 3800+ and 2gb ddr ram
[16:30] <Turingi> Rory: for some reason there is a segmentation fault just before joining a server
[16:30] <Rory> fsasdf421: Can you please install the "pastebinit" package (sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit) and then pastebin the copies of your xorg log? (pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[16:30] <Rory> fsasdf421: That'll give you a URL, to paste in this channel
[16:31] <marni> nevermind.. i found my answer
[16:31] <fsasdf421> sure
[16:31] <fsasdf421> please wait a bit
[16:31] <Rory> Sadly I'm here for another hour
[16:32] <Rory> fsasdf421: Could you also similarly run: xarandr | pastebinit
[16:32] <fsasdf421> yup sure i do the xorg one first
[16:32] <fsasdf421> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955220/ here is xorg log
[16:33] <Turingi> Rory: this is the console log http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZJbpPtd
[16:33] <Turingi> Rory: using an AMD HD 7750 card and ubuntu 13.1
[16:33] <fsasdf421> did you mean xrandr for the other one by the way
[16:33] <impossible> do i need to make my usb's partition gpt for uefi? or is there something that does it all for me
[16:34] <impossible> im trying to install via usb on a uefi system
[16:34] <fsasdf421> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955225 here is xrandr
[16:34] <schoppenhauer> so ... is it possible to have a global menu in 12.04 without unity?
[16:35] <anshulk> schoppenhauer, ya
[16:36] <anshulk> schoppenhauer, you just need an applet
[16:36] <schoppenhauer> anshulk: ?
[16:36] <anshulk> schoppenhauer, search for the menu applet
[16:37] <anshulk> schoppenhauer, http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/bring-ubuntus-menu-classicmenu-applet/
[16:40] <Rory> fsasdf421: Can you run this command, and note down the line it gives you (the one starting with Modeline) : "cvt 1920 1080"
[16:41] <fsasdf421> okey sure
[16:41] <dlocutor> clear
[16:41] <Rory> fsasdf421: Ignore the "Modeline" word, let's say it gave you this: "1920x1080_60.00"  173.00  1920 2048 2248 2576  1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
[16:41] <suess> booting up after a test with video driver and getting a black screen with blue lines.. flashing underline cursor upper left corner.. how do i get to terminal? CTRL+ALT+F2 etc not working
[16:41] <suess> is there a key combo during boot to get to command line ?
[16:42] <Turingi> Is _anyone_ able to play TF2 on steam native with an AMD GPU at the moment? I get a segmentation fault when trying to join a server.  http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZJbpPtd
[16:42] <fsasdf421> is it alright i use that paste thing for that too since im on other computer at this irc and this computer with the problem is on another monitor
[16:43] <nichlas> suess: hold down left shift key i think
[16:43] <fsasdf421> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955257/
[16:43] <Turingi> I switched from fedora20 to ubuntu 13.1 and TF2 is crashing in a similar manner, don't have the proprietary drivers installed, only the default ones that came with the distro
[16:43] <whoever> is there a repo for plymouth boot manager that works for 13.x
[16:43] <Rory> fsasdf421: then you would run this command: xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00"  173.00  1920 2048 2248 2576  1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
[16:43] <fsasdf421> alright
[16:43] <suess> nichlas, i will test that.. 1 second
[16:43] <Starkid> Guys is there any channel I can talk to Ubuntu SDK devs or something? I'm having some troubles with it...
[16:44] <ice9> global menu items are not active, they are shown but can't select them, I think this happened after installing gnome-shell and xfce, I removed them but still!
[16:44] <fsasdf421> alright after that?
[16:44] <nichlas> suess: you can read more here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[16:44] <Rory> fsasdf421: xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1920x1080_60.00
[16:45] <Rory> fsasdf421: xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1920x1080_60.00
[16:45] <dlocutor> CLEAR
[16:45] <suess> nichlas, k so i guess i go to recovery mode? not sure which one
[16:45] <fsasdf421> xrandr: cannot find mode "1920x1080_60.00"
[16:45] <suess> nichlas, -15 or -12
[16:46] <nichlas> suess: recovery mode is command line with minimal loaded
[16:46] <Rory> fsasdf421: did you run: xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1920x1080_60.00
[16:46] <suess> ok
[16:46] <fsasdf421> yes and it makes that "cannot find mode"
[16:46] <impossible> Open with Archive Mounter crashes for me, any other way to see an isos contentS?
[16:46] <ice9> Rory: xrandr can add resolution that is not supported?
[16:46] <suess> nichlas, did this 32bit ati driver.. getting a lock up
[16:47] <Rory> ice9: Yes, in cases like this where I can see the monitor isn't reporting its resolutions correctly to the driver
[16:47] <nichlas> suess: so you need to reset?
[16:47] <ice9> Rory: no I mean resolution that is higher than the supported one, I mean can it emulate and run it?
[16:48] <suess> not sure.. i didn't get to try: sudo aticonfig --initial --adapter=all
[16:48] <suess> sudo reboot now
[16:48] <fsasdf421> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955289/
[16:48] <nichlas> &me reboots
[16:48]  * nichlas reboots
[16:48] <suess> lol
[16:49] <Rory> fsasdf421: OK I double-checked the commands and put them in this pastebin. There are three. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955291/
[16:49] <fsasdf421> okay
[16:49] <nichlas> would have been funnier without the typo :)
[16:49] <Rory> ice9: No, but I know fglrx can scale
[16:50] <Rory> ice9: Seems an odd use-case though
[16:50] <suess> nichlas, tried the first command, of course in terminal / recovery it says "aticonfig: No supported adapters detected"
[16:50] <bjrohan> Hello all. I have a dual boot laptop (HP Envy), whichI have had for about a year. About 2 weeks ago, the fan began to run constantly (I run Ubuntu 99% of the time on this machine). In booting into windows, the same occurs. What would cause my fan to run constantly (and blow warm air, so something is working hard).
[16:50] <fsasdf421> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955297
[16:50] <ice9> Rory: btw, the global menu problem in all users,  they are there but unselectable
[16:51] <asd_> how can i buypass typing sudo every time???
[16:51] <bjrohan> where would I start to look.
[16:52] <nichlas> suess: try "lspci | grep VGA"
[16:52] <Rory> asd_: Every time you do what?
[16:53] <asd_> every time i go to terminal i would like not to include sudo in installing apps, updating, upgrading...
[16:53] <impossible> i try to copy files into a usb but the destination is read-only
[16:53] <Rory> hmm fsasdf421 can you try the commands again, but this time, replace every mention of "1920x1080_60.00" with a different name like "1080p"
[16:53] <fsasdf421> okay sure
[16:53] <Rory> asd_: You would like to be able to run the "apt-get" command as root, without providing a password?
[16:54] <asd_> yes
[16:54] <llutz> asd_: "sudo -i" gives you a root-shell to do some admin-tasks. no need to use sudo within
[16:54] <Rory> asd_: Open a terminal and type sudo visudo. At the end of the file (really the last line in it) type %yourusername% ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get install where %yourusername% is replaced by your username.
[16:54] <schoppenhauer> anshulk: this is not what I was asking
[16:55] <anshulk> schoppenhauer, oh... then ask again :)
[16:55] <ice9> Rory: can the fglrx work with Intel?
[16:55] <Rory> ice9: no fglrx is the AMD driver
[16:55] <fsasdf421> didnt work
[16:55] <Rory> asd_: I searched Google for "apt-get without sudo" and found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/74054/run-apt-get-without-sudo
[16:55] <schoppenhauer> anshulk: the question was, how do I get the global menu, that is the main menu of every program, shown in one place.
[16:56] <Rory> impossible: Does the flash drive have a switch on the side which sets it to read-only?
[16:56] <nichlas> suess: did you find the card?
[16:56] <Vivekananda> okay so after much ado I am back
[16:56] <impossible> no Rory
[16:56] <suess> nichlas, VGA comp. AMD/ATI RV200/M7 Moblity Radeon 7500
[16:57] <NyteRukh> hello
[16:57] <Rory> hi NyteRukh
[16:57] <nichlas> suess: that is an older card, isn't it?
[16:57] <fsasdf421> the first one worked but then the 2 others still make x error with that 1080p
[16:57] <Rory> fsasdf421: The first one worked? Can you show me the output of running them?
[16:58] <nichlas> suess: then it might not be supported by the catalyst drivers
[16:58] <fsasdf421> okay please wait
[16:59] <nichlas> oops, wrong command
[17:00] <NyteRukh> im currently running 13.10 when the new version comes out in the spring...will the os auto upgrade or do i have to download and install
[17:00] <nichlas> NyteRukh: You can upgrade from one version to the next without reinstalling
[17:00] <tylerjd> There is an upgrade mechanism so you can upgrade from within the OS itself
[17:00] <Vivekananda> hi
[17:01] <NyteRukh> ok thanks...
[17:01] <fsasdf421> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955339
[17:02] <NyteRukh> still new to ubuntu...i love it..lot better than windows
[17:02] <Karpuragauram> hi everyone
[17:02] <Karpuragauram> I am just testing my nics
[17:02] <Karpuragauram> Karpuragauram: and vivekananda
[17:02] <Karpuragauram> is varunendra around by any chance
[17:02] <Karpuragauram> and I hope not to bug if you are
[17:03] <suess> nichlas, seems to be from what i have read
[17:03] <suess> nichlas, tried this with 32bit: http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/ubuntu-amd-catalyst-install
[17:03] <suess> nichlas, said it was supported during install
[17:04] <Vivekananda> hello everyone
[17:04] <fsasdf421> Rory: in case you didnt see here is the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955339/
[17:05] <suess> nichlas, and should i some how try to boot with nomodeset ?
[17:06] <Rory> fsasdf421: Are you comfortable following these instructions? http://askubuntu.com/a/237551/62969
[17:06] <varunendra> Vivekananda, yup, I'm here now..
[17:06] <Rory> fsasdf421: Also yes I missed the first time, if a line doesn't have my name in it, I get no sort of notification
[17:06] <bjrohan> My system is running quite hot lately, top doesn't show anything unusual, any sugestions where to start looking for the culprit? The fan runs constantly, whereas before, it would hardly run
[17:06] <nichlas> suess: I usually clean up the graphics drivers when it fails, and then try to install again
[17:06] <fsasdf421> Rory: since its my second computer, theres nothing to lose so why not to try? anyway i have to go and try that later when i got time, bye and thanks
[17:07] <nichlas> suess: i am not completely sure how to continue when it hangs
[17:07] <suess> k, nichlas ... i cant remember the command to uninstall
[17:07] <Rory> OK fsasdf421 can you keep those pastebin URLs around, in case you are back later, you can show people the xorg log
[17:07] <tylerjd> bjrohan: Is there something eating your processor? Check the task manager or you could use the top command
[17:07] <tylerjd> Wow
[17:07] <fsasdf421> sure
[17:07] <tylerjd> I completely missed half your post, bjrohan
[17:07] <tylerjd> Sorry
[17:07] <nichlas> suess: i sugest purging like they explain here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/124292/what-is-the-correct-way-to-install-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-fglrx/286775#286775
[17:08] <nichlas> suess: (The guide starts with purging all drivers)
[17:08] <bjrohan> tylerjd: task manager doesn't show anything, really FireFox taking 6% CPU. My laptop doesn't have a seperate GPU either
[17:09] <tylerjd> bjrohan: Have you installed any new updates recently? Maybe a new kernel version?
[17:09] <bjrohan> tylerjd: shutting off FireFox, leaves Konversation, and THunderbird left, and those show 1% at times
[17:09] <bjrohan> tylerjd: 2 new kernels since this started, one was just today, but the same issue
[17:09] <Vivekananda> varunendra: okay thanks and things failed miserably
[17:10] <Vivekananda> ie during install I was not able to get that screen
[17:10] <nichlas> bjrohan: ati card? VAIO system?
[17:10] <tylerjd> bjrohan: Do you still have the old ones installed? Perhaps something changed for the worse in a recent version
[17:10] <Vivekananda> I treid pressing all buttons and then
[17:10] <suess> nichlas, ok.. also under grub and regular ubuntu boot, how do i add nomodeset?
[17:10] <bjrohan> tylerjd: This is a dual boot setup, booting into Windows 8 gives me the same issue
[17:10] <bjrohan> nichlas: it is an HP Envy DV7
[17:10] <Vivekananda> I somehow was able todo -- apt-get purge nvidia-common and nvidia* and that lost me the ubuntu desktop too
[17:11] <tylerjd> bjrohan: That sounds like maybe a hardware issue. Make sure there is no dust and has good airflow
[17:11] <Vivekananda> then I did apt-get install nvidia-updates and uubntu-desktop and I am here
[17:11] <Vivekananda> so I am on the 64 bit it seems
[17:11] <bjrohan> tylerjd: ok
[17:11] <nichlas> sorry, don't know more than google about that :)
[17:12] <varunendra> Vivekananda, so are you connected via the Ubuntu installation now?
[17:12] <nichlas> brjannc: my VAIO had some problems when i installed ati drivers - it would run really hot.
[17:13] <Vivekananda> yes
[17:13] <tylerjd> nichlas: bjrohan left
[17:13] <nichlas> oh
[17:13] <Vivekananda> I am trying to set up my phone too so that in such unfortunate events I can use it varunendra
[17:14] <whoever> need some help anyone have super boot-manager on 13.10 ? all of the ppa s that i havoe tried say 404 during update
[17:15] <varunendra> Vivekananda, not being able to get the Advanced boot menu doesn't sound right. It's the ultimate 'Failsafe' fallback option in case of driver issues
[17:15] <Vivekananda> varunendra: I perhaps did not press the right keys or at the right times
[17:18] <varunendra> Vivekananda, most probably, although it is not some very tiny timeframe. It is the whole duration when the purple screen (with a keyboard and accessibility icons at the bottom) is visible - Any key during that duration. The only chance to miss it if the keyboard becomes non-functional too in that duration.
[17:18] <OerHeks> whoever, what ppa's did you try ? this one seems working https://launchpad.net/~ingalex/+archive/super-boot-manager?field.series_filter=raring
[17:19] <Vivekananda> I did not get that screen at all
[17:19] <Vivekananda> let me try to find the screens
[17:21] <varunendra> Vivekananda, at the very basic level, it is sufficient to remember that you have to add "nomodeset" to the kernel booting line, whatever way it is possible.
[17:21] <cyborg4> Hi, I'm having a problem with removing Chromium from my Lubuntu install. I removed it, but there's still a shortcut in my menu that I can't remove. Any ideas?
[17:22] <nelseal> Hi, I am trying to get a BCM4312-LPPHY wireless card to work. From a fresh install, I installed b43-fwcutter, then installed firmware-b43-lpphy-installer.
[17:22] <ice9> after I installed gnome-shell and xfce the control panel in unity is broken, doesn't look right and somethings doesn't open
[17:22] <philwong> Can I install ubuntu on my external HD from windows?
[17:22] <nelseal> Those two steps got my interface online, but I can not see any wireless networks.
[17:23] <nichlas> cyborg4: have you tried resetting the menu?
[17:23] <jonascj> Hi all. What am I looking for when my internet connection is lost when both ethernet and wifi is connected - e.g. requests going out over the wrong interface. How do I alter this "priority"?
[17:24] <whoever> is there a boot manager that works in 13.10 super boot manager does not
[17:24] <suess> great! it can not find /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[17:25] <Vivekananda> varunendra: okay so in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frouwATl7BM  I got the screen between 3:38 -3:40 but then at 3:47 and onwards I just got a black and blue and purple screen. so that option page did not show up at all !!
[17:26] <suess> so now i have no idea how to remove the old drivers
[17:26] <suess> great
[17:27] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I'm on a GPRS connection whose average speed is 2.5 KB/s at the moment. Videos are quite a challenge for me :P
[17:27] <Vivekananda> no worries one sec
[17:27] <Hyperbyte> Hi!  I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on a machine with system disks attached to a VIA VT6421 RAID card (mirror).  During install it asked "do you want to use the raid card?", I said yes... it installed to /dev/mapper/..something... after reboot however, there's no RAID and there are two disks, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb.  Anyone got any clues why this is happening?
[17:28] <jonascj> I think the answer is interface priority (metric). Now I just need to figure that out for network manager
[17:29] <Vivekananda> varunendra: I am pasting the screenshots ( 3 ) here. the first two are visible the third is not. Also look at the timings. They are one after the other
[17:30] <Vivekananda> http://imagebin.org/294279 http://imagebin.org/294280  http://imagebin.org/294281   varunendra
[17:31] <varunendra> Vivekananda, opening ......... :)
[17:32] <Oog> can someone help me with rsyslog please. im using ubuntu 13.10 - it seems there is a known rsyslog/logrotate problem with the default rsyslog install?
[17:32] <chenteb> alguien habla español
[17:33] <chenteb> que de un canal en español
[17:33] <varunendra> Vivekananda, so were you trying with Unetbootin?
[17:33] <genii> !es | chenteb
[17:33] <chenteb> thanks
[17:35] <Vivekananda> yes I was
[17:35] <Vivekananda> varunendra:
[17:35] <Vivekananda> how else do I put the iso on the drive ? varunendra ?
[17:36] <varunendra> Vivekananda, that's not a problem, Unetbootin is okay.. The method seems a bit different that's all
[17:37] <varunendra> Vivekananda, in the Unetbootin boot menu, it says to press [Tab] to edit options - - that should be what we were looking for in the normal booting
[17:38] <varunendra> Vivekananda, in that menu, select "Try ubuntu..." option, then instead of 'Enter', press 'Tab' key to edit the actual boot line behind that option
[17:39] <Vivekananda> okay and when I am there what do I do ?
[17:40] <Vivekananda> what are the arguments I enter ? varunendra ?
[17:40] <Vivekananda> I did try that and it came up with cli options and not the pretty screen options that we saw
[17:40] <Vivekananda> also how do I check my current ubuntu details ?
[17:41] <Vivekananda> I also wish to create a list of apps I install now so that later I can just copy those apps list for reinstall
[17:41] <varunendra> Vivekananda, if it shows a line that ends with "quiet splash", add your option "nomodeset" at the end of it, leaving a space between it and the last word before it. Then it would be probably 'Enter' key to boot with that option
[17:41] <Vivekananda> hmmm okay
[17:42] <Vivekananda> but right now I am already installed :)
[17:42] <genii> !schedule
[17:45] <varunendra> Vivekananda, I have never tried the [Tab] option in Unetbootin menu, so was only my guess, seeing how similar it is to older methods of editing the boot line. Knowing it would be handy in case you face the same problem again and need a usable graphics.
[17:46] <rhonabwy> hey folks, how do i get to know what kind of ram my darn tower has? ddr2 or ddr3, i need to know how to identify it without getting my screwdriver
[17:46] <TJ-> rhonabwy: "sudo dmidecode"
[17:47] <rhonabwy> and than i need to know what tells me wether it is ddr3 or ddr2, unable to see it :-(
[17:47] <nichlas> rhonabwy: looke for "Type: "
[17:47] <Vivekananda> varunendra: yep I will remember that for later ref
[17:48] <Vivekananda> now for the present I have to set up my comp to be usable again
[17:48] <nichlas> rhonabwy: alternatively "sudo dmidecode | grep Type"
[17:48] <rhonabwy> Handle 0x0025, DMI type 17, 27 bytes <-- but what tells me now ddr2 or ddr3?
[17:49] <Vivekananda> so the things are 1. how to prepare a list of soft I am going to install for easy use later 2. how to fix nvidia issues and make sure what version I am using  and (note it down somewhere) 3. install the correctaps
[17:49] <llutz> rhonabwy: dmidecode |grep -A20 ^"Memory Device"
[17:50] <llutz> rhonabwy: you may add  " |grep Type"
[17:51] <rhonabwy> output is not helpfull :-(
[17:51] <rhonabwy> Type: unknown or type detail: unknown
[17:52] <llutz> rhonabwy: seems your BIOS doesn't offer that info then. get your screwdriver ready now
[17:52] <rhonabwy> :'-(
[17:52] <archenemy> Hey guys, i'm trying to install Ubuntu on my macbook pro (8,1) no luck finding a compatible version or a how to guide. kinda scared to jump in
[17:52] <rhonabwy> ok let's walk the 600km to the tower ...
[17:52] <archenemy> anybody tried this?
[17:53] <rhonabwy> thy folks :)
[17:53] <llutz> rhonabwy: try getting mainboard type/brand and use google
[17:53] <nichlas> rhonabwy: can you show us the full command you used?
[17:54] <rhonabwy> sudo dmidecode |grep -A20 ^"Memory Device" | grep Type
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type: Unknown
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type Detail: Unknown
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type: Unknown
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type Detail: Synchronous
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type: Unknown
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type Detail: Unknown
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type: Unknown
[17:54] <rhonabwy> 	Type Detail: Synchronous
[17:54] <Corey> rhonabwy: Don't do that.
[17:54] <Corey> Pastebin is your friend. :-)
[17:55] <ajoul> how to gain root privelege while I am logged in as a normal user, outside the command line
[17:56] <nichlas> rhonabwy: i get Type: DDR3 where you get Type: Unknown. So i guess llutz is correct, and your bios is uncooporative
[17:56] <archenemy> ajoul: root privilege to do what?
[17:56] <TJ-> rhonabwy: This is the kind of thing you should see, but if the manufacturers are cheap or unprofessional, maybe they didn't bother: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6955630/
[17:57] <ajoul> archenemy copy files from one folder to another I get that I don't have priveledge and I dont want to use command line to do that because I might mess up something
[17:57] <rhonabwy> maybe a shotgun will help an convince it ...
[17:57] <ajoul> archenemy How do I gain root priveledge in the ubuntu GUI?
[17:57] <archenemy> gksudo?
[17:57] <rhonabwy> manufacturer: unkown, type unknown, serial unknown etc, only size is 2048 and speed is 667
[17:57] <archenemy> jeez, i haven't really played around with that normally i would just use the command line man
[17:58] <ajoul> archenemy I copy files like cp folder-from folder-to?
[17:58] <nichlas> rhonabwy: if it is 667 there is a very good chance that it's DDR2
[17:59] <archenemy> ajoul: yeah aint so bad.
[17:59] <rhonabwy> yeah i hope so, i have two additional modules with 800mhz here to send them, hopefully they are compatible
[18:02] <Scryptonium> hello everyone
[18:02] <TJ-> rhonabwy: Use "lscpu" and look at the "CPU MHz" - that should be the FSB
[18:02] <TJ-> rhonabwy: At least here I'm seeing 800MHz, and the CPU is 2.6GHz
[18:03] <archenemy> Hey guys, i'm trying to install Ubuntu on my macbook pro (8,1) no luck finding a compatible version or a how to guide. kinda scared to jump in. anybody tried this?
[18:03] <rhonabwy> TJ 1998.000
[18:03] <Scryptonium> what is the difference between sudo and gksudo?
[18:03] <nichlas> Scryptonium: gksudo is graphical
[18:03] <TJ-> rhonabwy: Maybe not then :)
[18:04] <TJ-> rhonabwy: I was pretty sure this CPU was at max when I ran the command :)
[18:04] <rhonabwy> i guess i'll go with the shotgun solution, either myself or the tower
[18:04] <Scryptonium> i see, but what happens if i use sudo for a graphical programm because it seems to work tough
[18:05] <yash069> rhonabwy: sudo lshw -short -C memory
[18:05] <archenemy> nichlas: here ya go. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[18:05] <rhonabwy> yash no additional information, 2 modules with 2GB at 667MHz
[18:06] <Scryptonium> ty very much for your response!!
[18:06] <nichlas> Scryptonium: yes, it is only to make the entering of password a bit more pretty :)
[18:06] <rhonabwy> best way, screwdriver next weekend ;) ty
[18:06] <yash069> 667 can be DDR or DDR2 :|
[18:08] <anth0ny> Is there any major reason why I would be able to see a process via 'sudo /etc/init.d/jenkins status' but not with 'sudo service jenkins status' ?
[18:09] <SirCmpwn> so I copied my ssh keypair from arch linux into ~/.ssh on ubuntu, but I can't seem to ssh anywhere with it
[18:09] <TJ-> rhonabwy: "sudo apt-get install i2c-tools" then "sudo modprobe eeprom && sudo decode-dimms"
[18:09] <SirCmpwn> I used `ssh -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa server.com` and get denied publickey
[18:09] <anth0ny> For some reason, going through 'service' does not work when trying to manage my application ('Jenkins')
[18:09] <tru23> Hi, I need help with a black screen problem during boot in 13.10 livecd. I can boot 12.04 fine using nomodeset, but I can't make it work on 13.10
[18:10] <tongcx> hi guys, why do we need keys for apt?
[18:11] <SirCmpwn> I checked ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the host, and the key is there for sure
[18:11] <tru23> I already tried both 32 and 64 bit versions, and acpi settings. I have switchable graphics with an AMD card
[18:11] <llutz> tongcx: to make sure you can trust the packages  apt loads
[18:13] <Homely_Girl> General quessie plse:- I'm I'm planning to buy a webcam to use in Ubuntu for various applications including Skype, is there a particular brand I should go for? I've gotten rid of windows 'n want to get Skype up 'n running with webcam
[18:17] <tongcx> llutz: why url of the repository not suffice?
[18:17] <nichlas> tongcx: it is easy to redirect a user to a false repository
[18:17] <tongcx> nichlas: how to do so?
[18:18] <Gl4di4t0r> I get denied when I try copy files to /etc/openvpn why is that?
[18:18] <nichlas> tongcx: DNS hijacking for one
[18:18] <LoveLinux> hello
[18:18] <LoveLinux> Hi all!. I got a really odd problem, using NFS sometimes my clients are seeing OLD data via NFS mount and I cant figure out why, anyone have any pointers?
[18:18] <nichlas> Gl4di4t0r: do you remember to sudo?
[18:18] <llutz> Gl4di4t0r:it needs root/sudo to write into /etc
[18:18] <tongcx> nichlas: i c, makes sense
[18:18] <streulma> hello, can you help me installing ubuntu 13.10 with EFI partition, I'm not so familiar with it.
[18:19] <LoveLinux> tried to ask in #linux but no permission to speak in there? :(
[18:19] <nichlas> tongcx: you can still use repos without installing keys, but the system will bug you all the time :)
[18:19] <LoveLinux> i have added lookupcache=none to mount options but it didnt help
[18:19] <Gl4di4t0r> nichlas llutz: I'm using the filemanager...
[18:20] <nichlas> LoveLinux: there can be cache both at the client and the server
[18:20] <llutz> Gl4di4t0r: it needs root/gksudo too
[18:20] <anth0ny> Q: For some reason, going through 'service' does not work when trying to manage my application ('Jenkins') (on Ububtu), any thoughts as to why?
[18:21] <Gl4di4t0r> llutz: please guide me :)
[18:21] <LoveLinux> nichlas, OH, wow didnt know that. How can i configure the cache on the server?
[18:21] <llutz> Gl4di4t0r: "gksudo nautilus"   then copy your stuff
[18:21] <LoveLinux> nichlas, just point me towards a page where i can read and i'll RTFM
[18:22] <nichlas> LoveLinux: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/23408/is-there-a-command-which-will-force-linux-to-flush-cache-of-one-file-on-an-nfs-s
[18:22] <martin___> hi there
[18:22] <Gl4di4t0r> wtf does "gksudo nautilus" do???
[18:22] <LoveLinux> Nichlas, thank you very much
[18:22] <nichlas> LoveLinux: it details setting cache on client and server. Apparently it can be done wrong
[18:22] <michagogo|cloud> Gl4di4t0r: Opens up a file browser as root
[18:22] <streulma> ok, solved
[18:22] <martin___> how can i detect, how my bluetooth driver is called, please?
[18:22] <Zeranoe> So is unity bascially just a new skin/theme for GNOME?
[18:22] <tongcx> nichlas: how to hijack a dns?
[18:22] <martin___> ubuntu unity 12.10
[18:22] <LoveLinux> nichlas,  yeah mine randomly caches and its causing chaos
[18:23] <martin___> Zeranoe: Unity is a Compiz plugin, currently
[18:23] <nichlas> tongcx: i don't know the details :) try looking at wikipedia
[18:23] <streulma> martin___ lspci
[18:23] <tongcx> nichlas: :)
[18:23] <martin___> thanks
[18:23] <nichlas> tongcx: but the fact that it is possible convinces me that keys are a good idea :)
[18:24] <LoveLinux> Nichlas, thank you will try that, i already have the apache stuff in place, the cto stuff is new to. Odd thing is if i can the file in a terminal its cached, if i touch it, the contents update
[18:25] <Gl4di4t0r> michagogo|cloud: is there some way to do this just using the GUI ?
[18:25] <LoveLinux> nichlas,  sorry i mean if i CAT the file its the cached contents, if I touch the file, the contents update as they appear on the NFS server
[18:25] <streulma> martin___ or lsusb, there I see my bluetooth adapter
[18:26] <suess> grr!
[18:27] <martin___> lspci does not list a bluetooth device
[18:27] <martin___> streulma: thanks
[18:27] <martin___> it works :)
[18:28] <suess> well it would be cool to get video drivers... im pretty sure mobility m7 7500 is supported :(
[18:28] <martin___> streulma: and how i can detect the name of the driver please? :)
[18:28] <Zeranoe> martin___: That seems like a bad idea. Didn't most distros drop Compiz support because it isn't being maintained?
[18:29] <LoveLinux> guys, how comes i cant write in #linux, is it invite only?
[18:29] <LoveLinux> hello
[18:29] <martin___> Zeranoe: It is not anymore maintained, because ubuntu drop it
[18:29] <LoveLinux> oh its invite only
[18:29] <martin___> Unity next is a complete rewrite in qt
[18:30] <nichlas> LoveLinux: you probably have to be identified on FreeNode
[18:30] <martin___> nichlas is right
[18:30] <Zeranoe> martin___: That makes sense
[18:30] <rostam> Hi I am using ubuntu desktop 12.04. After sudden shutdown, I am not able to login. After entering the password, for a moment it seems It seems I am in, but then it goes back to login shell. So I do not think the issue is password. Any help greatly appreiciated please? thx
[18:30] <LoveLinux> nichlas, ah sorry last time i was on IRC was back in efnet days, around 10 years ago.. thanks
[18:30] <ajoul> HOW TO SEARCH FOR A KEYWORD IN ALL FILES INSIDE A FOLDER?
[18:30] <ajoul> sorry caps
[18:30] <LoveLinux> ajoul: grep
[18:30] <jordan__> anyone know any good applications for lnux
[18:31] <LoveLinux> jordan, to do what?
[18:31] <ajoul> LoveLinux show me an example
[18:31] <Broseph> whats a good gaming channel
[18:31] <Pici> !alis
[18:31] <jordan__> just good applications in general
[18:31] <Pici> jordan__: could you ask a vauger question?
[18:31] <LoveLinux> ajoul, to search for egg in all files       grep -i "egg" *
[18:31] <nichlas> jordan__: LibreOffice is a good application :)
[18:31] <jordan__> games browsers ... anything really
[18:31] <LoveLinux> ajoul, thats case insensative so slow, remove -i if you know case to speed it up
[18:32] <jordan__> thanks ill have a look
[18:32] <LoveLinux> jordal: if you explain what you want to do, we can name thousands
[18:32] <streulma> ajoul: find /directory -name <name> | grep <keyword>
[18:32] <jordan__> okay how about some good games
[18:32] <LoveLinux> jordan: sed is an amazing command
[18:32] <nichlas> my current favorite is turses ;)
[18:33] <LoveLinux> best command EVER is "tmux"
[18:33] <ajoul> streulma this will look inside all files or just directories?
[18:33] <nichlas> bb is also fun
[18:33] <LoveLinux> have used linux for many many years and thats a great recent find for me
[18:33] <Pici> ajoul: if you want to look recursively through directories use the +R argument
[18:33] <LoveLinux> ajoul grep is what you want to use try "man grep"
[18:33] <streulma> ajoul: or just: find /directory | grep <keyword>
[18:34] <ajoul> LoveLinux it doesn't work what you showed me
[18:34] <LoveLinux> ajoul, whats the error?
[18:34] <ajoul> LoveLinux it doesn't return
[18:34] <ajoul> LoveLinux I run it on a folder with 1 file with 1 line which is what I want to find
[18:34] <LoveLinux> ajoul, first, are you in the directory you want to search?, second, doesn't return = its searching
[18:35] <ajoul> I am in directory I want to search
[18:35] <LoveLinux> ok how big is hte file?
[18:35] <ajoul> 10 bytes
[18:35] <LoveLinux> ok what do you want to search for ?
[18:36] <ajoul> I am doing cd myDirectory
[18:36] <ajoul> grep "Bit"
[18:36] <LoveLinux> so word "Bit" is in file?, can you type "cat <filename>" to check
[18:36] <Pici> ajoul: you need to provide a second argument to grep
[18:36] <LoveLinux> ajoul    "grep Bit <filename>"
[18:37] <ajoul> well I am going to run this on a folder with 1,000 files but it must first work on one file
[18:37] <ajoul> and I need it to search recursively
[18:37] <LoveLinux> ajoul OR            grep "Bit" *
[18:37] <Pici> ajoul: then grep "Bit" somefile , or grep -R "Bit" *
[18:37] <LoveLinux> thats ok
[18:37] <ajoul> ok works thanks a lot LoveLinux
[18:37] <LoveLinux> np bro
[18:37] <LoveLinux> we'er all here to learn or help
[18:38] <nineball> wit-v2.23a-r4534-i386.tar.gz how to install?
[18:38] <nichlas> !tarball
[18:38] <LoveLinux> nineball.... gtar zxcf wit-v2.23a-r4534-i386.tar.gz cd wit-v2.23a-r4534-i386
[18:38] <LoveLinux> nineball, then make the app or whatever the app requires (is there a readme?)
[18:38] <nineball> i have in a folder
[18:39] <LoveLinux> i thought ubuntu has great repo's, what you doing getting source of that? :D
[18:39] <Pici> nineball: what is that you are trying to install?
[18:39] <nichlas> nineball: look for a "readme" or "install" file when you have unpacked it
[18:39]  * LoveLinux uses Fedora on desktop and Centos on server
[18:39]  * LoveLinux hangs head in shame
[18:40] <Guest22459> hi all. i have a problem with my printer (hp hl-2240d) which is displayed under system settings -> printers but does not actually print.  lpinfo -v says "lpinfo: cups-deviced failed to execute." any suggestions? im quite new to ubuntu..
[18:40] <whoever> does anyone have a cool non OEM boot screen , looking for something cool and different
[18:40] <Guest22459> hi all. i have a problem with my printer (hp hl-2240d) which is displayed under system settings -> printers but does not actually print.  lpinfo -v says "lpinfo: cups-deviced failed to execute." any suggestions? im quite new to ubuntu..
[18:40] <nichlas> LoveLinux: ubuntu's repos are good, but some people don't know to search them before downloading tarballs :)
[18:40] <LoveLinux> Guest, did you go to the cups web page?, localhost:631 IIRC
[18:40] <LoveLinux> nichlas, lol
[18:40] <whoever> Guest22459: do you have hplip installed
[18:40] <nineball> Then change to the directory, where you have unpacked the distribution.
[18:40] <nineball>  Therefore use the comamnd: cd DIRECTORY
[18:40] <nineball>  ... where 'DIRECTORY' is the directory path.
[18:40] <nineball>  Call: ./install.sh
[18:41] <whoever> Gycklarn: also how are you tring to print
[18:41] <nineball>  If the script is not started as 'root', the script call itself with 'sudo'.
[18:41] <nineball> so sudo install.sh?
[18:41] <LoveLinux> why use ubuntu over debian? ... i've always wondered
[18:41] <nichlas> nineball: yeah, or sudo ./install.sh when you are in the dir
[18:41] <LoveLinux> 9balls, be careful, you sure you know what that install.sh does? ;)
[18:41] <LoveLinux> 9balls, read it first
[18:42] <nichlas> nineball: if it doesn't work you can also "sudo sh install.sh"
[18:42] <shahan> is there a way to change the gnome-terminal opaacity from the command line?
[18:42] <whoever> 9ball just do it , nothing good comes from reading or proceeding with caution :-)
[18:42] <labsin> anyone knows the command to reprocess the desktop files. I don't want to reboot and have installed an application with make install.
[18:42] <nineball> thanks
[18:42] <whoever> labsin:  f5
[18:42] <LoveLinux> whoever, yeah, same can be said of reading manuals etc :D
[18:43] <streulma> LoveLinux: I think Ubuntu is Debian unstable
[18:43] <whoever> LoveLinux: if its a manual for one of them girly devices ie : toaster, your just killing brain cells
[18:43] <ice9> I added a high resolution that is higher than the native supported one for my Intel card, using xrandr, it's listed as VIRTUAL1,  can I use that emulated resolution?
[18:44] <nineball> ok done with the install where do i fine it?
[18:44] <labsin> I mean if you add a desktop file to /usr/local/share/applications/ it's not directly in the dash. There is a command to remake the cache but I can't find it directly
[18:44] <nichlas> ice9: are you talking about "maximum" resolution, or an actual resolution?
[18:44] <whoever> ubuntu is a more idiot proof debian
[18:45] <ice9> nichlas: 1200x800 is my maximum resolution and I want to have higher
[18:45] <LoveLinux> whoever, ah. well i've used linux for around 20 years. might give debian a spin. fedora respins too often for me, and fedup sucks horribly
[18:45] <robert___> hey guys
[18:46] <LoveLinux> man Linux is the best thing ever... love it so much.
[18:46] <nichlas> ice9: you mean you want to pan the screen, or does your screen actually support bigger resolution?
[18:46] <LoveLinux> I just cant believe its free
[18:46] <k1l_> hey guys, lets put the general talk into #ubuntu-offtopic and keep it to technical support in here. thanks
[18:47] <nineball> ok done with the install where do i fine it?
[18:47] <nichlas> nineball: if it is a desktop app it might have created icons already
[18:47] <LoveLinux> nineballs, there is a command "locate", you can find apps with that, IF you know hte filename, and IF your DB is up to date
[18:48] <ice9> nichlas: 1200x800 is the maximum supported,  I don't want to pan but display the higher resolution in the screen limits, so things get smaller; but not panning
[18:48] <whoever> is there a good place other then plymouth-temes to get boot themes
[18:49] <nichlas> ice9: if your screen supports it, you can look at the chapter called "Dynamically testing different resolutions" in this document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[18:49] <k1l_> ice9: you cant disply a higher resolution than the display can show. except you pan
[18:49] <nichlas> ice9: if you are using a flatscreen it is most likely that you can't use larger resolution
[18:50] <nineball> wit-v2.23a-r4534-i386.tar.gz locate this?
[18:50] <Astyanx> Anyone willing to point a novice in the right direction here?  I'm trying to get rTorrent to run in the background when the system boots up, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how exactly.  13.10 server.
[18:50] <maxl_> mojen. wat jeet?
[18:50] <ice9> nichlas: no my screen doesn't support higher resolution, I thought I could emulate it without panning!
[18:50] <maxl_> geh pennen
[18:51] <k1l_> ice9: no you cant
[18:51] <nichlas> ice9: well, you can test it with the link i sent you. Some screens might "compensate" by making the picture uglier
[18:51] <nichlas> ice9: don't expect to be happy about the result though!
[18:51] <maxl_> doch you can going pennen. enter in terminal penn-mode and the screen will be how new
[18:51] <nichlas> Astyanx: search for "rtorrent daemon" :)
[18:52] <nichlas> Astyanx: programs running autonomously in the background are called daemons.
[18:52] <ice9> nichlas: well, can I pan part of the display only?
[18:52] <nichlas> ice9: what do you mean?
[18:53] <nineball> where to get help load a game cure to flash drive for wii?
[18:53] <aa_birr> whoever: hplip? sounds like a hp application? i have a brother printer. LoveLinux: no I havent?
[18:53] <maxl_> open terminal for screen problem and enter "penn-mode=318%er"
[18:53] <maxl_> fhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[18:53] <maxl_> hhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhh
[18:53] <maxl_> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgbfhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhgfsddddhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[18:54] <nichlas> bad idea
[18:54] <LoveLinux> erm,
[18:54] <LoveLinux> why ban that user?, it was probs his clipboard pasted by mistake
[18:54] <nichlas> LoveLinux: the bot protects the channel
[18:54] <nichlas> it probably only bans him for a couple of minutes
[18:55] <LoveLinux> Nichlas. ah, some kind of flood protection
[18:55] <nichlas> yes
[18:55] <philwong> I am trying to put ubuntu on an external disk and I get an error
[18:55] <LoveLinux> whats the error
[18:55] <nichlas> big paste error are not rare on this channel :)
[18:55] <ice9> nichlas: like I want to keep the top menu bar of unity in the limit of my screen view,  and only pan the rest of the desktop horizontally
[18:55] <k1l_> LoveLinux: no it wasnt. if you read the messages from him you wold know that. and questions to the operators please in #ubuntu-ops to keep this channel clear for support, thanks
[18:55] <philwong> "the installer encountered a failure when copying files to the disk this is often due to a faulty cd/dvd disk or drive
[18:55]  * philwong is steaming
[18:56]  * whoever thows cold water on philwong 
[18:56] <LoveLinux> kll_: it was in non-english is I couldnt understand what he was saying, anyway moved on :-)
[18:56] <nineball> got it look for a gul ? for game cube files
[18:56] <philwong> thanks
[18:57] <LoveLinux> phil, is the media you are installing to 100% OK?
[18:57] <Evilmax> maybe i am wrong but it seems impossible by using ufw block localhost on a specific port
[18:57] <Gl4di4t0r> how do I give the filemanager admin privileges?
[18:57] <weslicar> hello all
[18:58] <k1l_> Gl4di4t0r: what do you want to do in the first place?
[18:58] <whoever> philwong: so burn it again at a slower speed ie 6x
[18:58] <philwong> burn what agaiin?
[18:58] <Gl4di4t0r> k1l_: I want to copy some files to /etc/openvpn
[18:58] <philwong> the installation cd?
[18:59] <ice9> nichlas: like I want to keep the top menu bar of unity in the limit of my screen view,  and only pan the rest of the desktop horizontally
[19:00] <nichlas> ice9: hmm.. it is definitely not a standard xrandr setting.
[19:00] <k1l_> Gl4di4t0r: ok, i would suggest to use the terminal "mv" command in this case. but if you prefer a GUI you can go with with nautilus, but need to add a "gksu" before. but be aware of not messing around with that nautilus then
[19:00] <nichlas> ice9: but i can see what you're getting at, i could have used that when runing on netbook :)
[19:01] <nichlas> ice9: you do know that you can move windows around even further up than the top line?
[19:01] <nichlas> ice9: if you hold alt, then click anywhere in the window and move
[19:02] <philwong> can I burn ubuntu at the lowest speed?
[19:03] <philwong> would that be bad also?
[19:04] <ice9> nichlas: I have another strange issue, after I installed gnome-shell and xfce, items in global menu are inactive, I can't select any of them, I removed the shell and xfce but still
[19:05] <ice9> nichlas: even the gnome-control center now looks different and sometings are broken in the view
[19:05] <Nothing_Much> Quick question
[19:05] <Nothing_Much> Can I use this book as a curriculum? http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[19:07] <nichlas> ice9: if you are on gnome you can reset the gnome panel
[19:07] <nichlas> ice9: dconf reset -f /org/gnome/gnome-panel/
[19:08] <nichlas> ice9: i remember having to do that a few times when i was on gnome
[19:08] <nichlas> ice9: regarding the screen pan thing i can't help you.
[19:09] <nichlas> ice9: i suggest using regular pan until you find a solution that will keep the bar.
[19:09] <Evilmax> could someone explain me how it is possible format a server on which run www-data with sudo privileges?
[19:09] <ice9> nichlas: yeah right, I set panning now, thanks :)
[19:10] <ice9> nichlas: is there a way to reset glabl menu?
[19:10] <Evilmax> i have no intentions to do that, of course...just understand
[19:11] <nichlas> ice9: if you're on unity i think it is simply "unity --reset"
[19:11] <aa_birr> can i undo the latest changes in ubuntu?
[19:11] <nichlas> ice9: finish with ctrl + alt + F7
[19:12] <ice9> nichlas:  unity --reset is deprecated
[19:12] <nichlas> ice9: hmm.. is it --replace then?
[19:13] <ice9> nichlas: replace, replaces the desktop manager
[19:13] <nichlas> ice9: i'm not using unity myself, so i can't check :)
[19:13] <ice9> nichlas: are you using gnome?
[19:13] <nichlas> ice9: i'm using i3
[19:14] <Skari> So i have the Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch 13.10 r101 installed and i cannot install apps. I have enabled read/write, updating the phone works, but installing apps doesn't? What can i try to make it work?
[19:14] <ice9> nichlas: never heard of it, will check it
[19:14] <genii> Skari: #ubuntu-touch is probably the better channel to ask in
[19:14] <sakter12> is there a way to clear google cache and history from command line?
[19:14] <Skari> genii: aah, i'll try over there, thx
[19:14] <nichlas> ice9: it's a bit special, might not be your thing :)
[19:15] <Vivekananda> shoot I did not realisze that I had closed this
[19:15] <Vivekananda> :(
[19:16] <Vivekananda> chat I mean
[19:16] <Vivekananda> can someone tell me how to
[19:16] <fossjon>  /close ?
[19:17] <ice9> nichlas: dconf reset -f /com/canonical/unity/ instead of --reset
[19:17] <nichlas> ice9: did it work?
[19:18] <ice9> nichlas: it fixed some icons and minor stuff but no the global menu, I may need to restart X
[19:20] <nichlas> ice9: i think that is recommended
[19:21] <suess> :/
[19:24] <brecker_> hey, anyone knows how to add an exception on a port in cloudfare?
[19:24] <sakter12> what's a good way to learn python to specifically improve my ubuntu user experience? or linux computing?
[19:25] <nichlas> suess: did you not get rid of the driver? or did the reinstall fail?
[19:25] <rostam> HI Unity does not let me login, I can login through ssh but not through unity. Please help. Thx
[19:26] <genii> rostam: Does it look like it will start but then go back to login screen?
[19:26] <rostam> genii yes
[19:26] <nichlas> sakter12: www.codeacademy.com
[19:26] <nichlas> sakter12: not sure about the specificity though.
[19:27] <Seveas> brecker_: try #cloudflare :)
[19:27] <brecker_> thanks :)
[19:27] <genii> rostam: Likely either then some X setting is incorrect and it can't find a combination to use, or possibly the permissions in your home directory gor changed
[19:27] <Hema> tets
[19:27] <Seveas> rostam: check ~/.xsession-errors for clues
[19:28]  * genii wanders off to do more snow shovelling
[19:29] <nineball> wiibafu_1.1-1_i386.deb i install it where do i fine it?
[19:29] <rostam> Seveas, Here is the content of the .xsession-errors : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6956065/
[19:30] <sakter12> nichlas, yeah sorry for the vagueness.  i like codecademy tho
[19:33] <Seveas> rostam: pastebin the output of ls -laR ~/.compiz/
[19:33] <SirCmpwn> how do I make this touch window resizing junk go away
[19:35] <rostam> Seveas, there is no ~/.compiz in my home directory?
[19:35] <nichlas> nineball: can you find it in the menu?
[19:37] <nineball> no
[19:37] <nichlas> nineball: i believe the command is called "wit"
[19:37] <nichlas> nineball: on the command line
[19:37] <nineball> or how do i run a exe via wine?
[19:38] <nichlas> nineball: there ar many wine instructions on the web
[19:38] <Beldar> !wine | nineball
[19:39] <Beldar> nineball, You want to check what apps have been shown to work in wine, there is also playonlinux and another emulator.
[19:39] <ice9> nichlas: I'm on I3 now :D its cool idea but need to know howto manage view
[19:40] <nichlas> ice9: you need to read up on the keyboard shortcuts :)
[19:40] <foobar33> When I type on my laptop, sometimes really weird things happen, like I delete my current text and type in a different place (I think this is caused by accidentally touching the mouse pad)
[19:40] <foobar33> Any suggestions on how to verify this cause?
[19:41] <Beldar> foobar33, A clear description would help.
[19:41] <foobar33> Not sure I can give a clear description, other then, it looks like I touch my mouse pad during typing
[19:42] <nichlas> foobar33: you can set it to diable while typing
[19:42] <Beldar> foobar33, You have to put yourself in the helpers place as far as what info is actually a detail and relevant
[19:42] <nichlas> foobar33: in settins
[19:42] <nichlas> settings*
[19:43] <herpderphurr> suppose I have a directory named "Secret-Business-Strategies". I have used shred to shred the files under this directory, but I also don't want other people to know that I've been working on a business. Can I be safe in just using rmdir, or should I rename the subdirectory and then rmdir it?
[19:43] <Beldar> foobar33, this "n, like I delete my current text and type in a different place" makes no sense to me is all.
[19:43] <nichlas> nineball: you can start WiiBafu with the command "WiiBaFu"
[19:44] <nichlas> nineball: ALT + F2 to run command
[19:45] <Beldar> herpderphurr, The name is a tell, lol
[19:47] <Beldar> foobar33, Is it that you start to type, and maybe bump the tap pad and the text is changed in some way, to another location or deleted?
[19:48] <herpderphurr> Beldar: Yeah, so should I use something like "mv Secret-Business-Strategies 000000000000000 && rmdir 000000000000000"?
[19:48] <foobar33> Beldar, yes I think it quickly selects the text, then replaces this text with a space, then clicks on some other location yet again
[19:48] <foobar33> It is hard to replicate
[19:49] <name_> hi
[19:49] <Beldar> herpderphurr, Anything shred or deleted will be written over at some point, I would use an encrypted folder with a vague name myself.
[19:49] <name_> #swtor
[19:50] <dr0p> hello, is there any tool that can test webserver (access time to several addressesses within one server) ?
[19:50] <herpderphurr> Beldar: That sounds like a better solution. Thanks
[19:51] <Beldar> foobar33, I would see if this happens in the guest or a new account you can make in users that can be removed after testing, and a live cd if needed. Kind of hard to tell exactly what is going on, be sure to lock the tap if you are using a mouse if you think it is a factor.
[19:51] <Beldar> herpderphurr, I use truecrypt to encrypt a file that opens in MS or linux.
[19:51] <dr0p> ab/siege can be used but but it can test only one address
[19:54] <wingnut2626> Can you read a time machine backup (osx) from ubuntu?
[19:55] <mekon> party live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQC7_TNQPw&feature=share
[19:55] <Turingi> hello, has _anyone_ had success with the AMD proprietary drivers on ubuntu 13.1? I tried installing catalyst 13.12 and it blackscreened upon reboot. It looks like the wiki page is outdated:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD  (I just want to be able to play TF2 under native steam and it does not work with the default drivers under ubuntu 13.1)
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[19:56] <Seveas> !ops | _a500 wants a spanking
[19:56] <Beldar> !ops
[19:57] <Astyanx> Anyone willing to point a novice in the right direction here?  I'm trying to get rTorrent to run in the background when the system boots up, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how exactly.  13.10 server.  Apparently rTorrent can't be daemonized
[19:57] <Seveas> also, what happened to the floodbots?
[19:57] <Beldar> wingnut2626, Not anyone here will really know, I see info on the web using linux to run it though.
[19:57] <Pici> stuff
[19:57] <Beldar> Not sure*
[19:57] <Gnusmas> Indicator Applet" has quit unexpectedly If you reload a panel object, it will automatically be added back to the panel, what is thise
[19:57] <Seveas> Pici: irrepairable or looking for a new home?
[19:57] <mekon> Astyanx: i think transsmission have better console version
[19:57] <Pici> Seveas: the former.  We're evaluating replacements.
[19:58] <Seveas> ack.
[19:58] <Gnusmas> takk
[19:58] <carsten_mit_c> hi
[19:58] <herpderphurr> Turingi: how did you install the proprietary drivers? I've done it once before using the jockey-gtk GUI
[19:59] <Turingi> herpderphurr I followed the instructions in the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[19:59] <Turingi> herpderphurr: it does not work for 13.1
[20:00] <herpderphurr> Turingi: Is this a fresh Ubuntu install? You could use 12.04 LTS instead
[20:01] <Beldar> Gnusmas, Helps if you name the release and desktop, and a little more detail if possible, like any mods that may be associated.
[20:01] <Turingi> herpderphurr: fresh install, I had a black screen, but hotkeys still worked so I could open a console and uninstall the drivers
[20:02] <SirCmpwn> how do I remove the touch window resize UI
[20:02] <SirCmpwn> it's quite annoying that it won't go away
[20:02] <Turingi> herpderphurr: black screen after attempting to install the proprietary driver, non-beta version
[20:02] <Astyanx> mekon;  would really prefer to stick with rTorrent if possible
[20:02] <Astyanx> mekon;  all I really want it to do is load in the background as a user when ubuntu loads
[20:04] <mekon> Astyanx: its shuold be very easy
[20:04] <Gnusmas> ok beldar thanke for you time to try to help an old man trying on Gnu/Linux i installed trisquel and add maeny things to the panel and when i started the computer next time it was showing the error thing on trisquel 6, 64bit
[20:04] <herpderphurr> Turingi: If it's not too much trouble, I might recommend using 12.04. I know the Catalyst drivers are nicer there instead.
[20:06] <Beldar> Gnurdux, trisquel 6 is a desktop? I do not see it in the ubuntu repos.
[20:06] <herpderphurr> Turingi: Whether or not you choose to use 12.04, try using the "Additional Drivers" manager to install the proprietary driver first (jockey-gtk on the command line), although the wiki says that this method won't necessarily work in 13.1
[20:07] <bazhang> Gnusmas,  /join #trisquel
[20:08] <Beldar> Gnusmas, trisquel ^^^^ is a derivative not supported here is all.
[20:08] <nineball> Dolphin Emulator ??
[20:08] <herpderphurr> nineball: What about it?
[20:09] <nineball> wii game cube emu
[20:12] <Vivekananda> hello
[20:16] <Gnusmas> ok takk så mye good thinges
[20:16] <Nothing_Much> Can I use this book as a curriculum? http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[20:17] <damien84> hi, i still have issues with my brother hl-2240d printer. i have installed cups and when I go to system settings -> printers and chose "add" my printer appears but it says "CUPS server error: there was an error during the CUPS operation: 'success'". has anyone an idea?
[20:17] <pietro10__> Hi. Is there a way to roll back a package to a previous version?
[20:17] <pietro10__> specifically the web browser (which is why I'm asking here ;) )
[20:18] <Nothing_Much> pietro10: Which web browser and to which distro?
[20:18] <pietro10> konversation needs auto-reidentify
[20:18] <pietro10> but yeah
[20:18] <pietro10> is there a way to rollback packages?
[20:19] <Nothing_Much> If you have the sources to 13.04 then I'm pretty sure you can
[20:19] <Nothing_Much> But when an update appears for a current version of an OS, I don't think it's possible in Ubuntu.
[20:20] <EnYel> hola
[20:20] <EnYel> alguien con experiencia en linux puede ayudarme?
[20:20] <EnYel> por favor
[20:20] <kyle__> !ubottu english
[20:20] <kyle__> humm
[20:21] <kyle__> !english
[20:21] <kyle__> ?
[20:21] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, Curriculum as a teacher?
[20:21] <EnYel> alguien con experiencia en linux puede ayudarme
[20:21] <EnYel> porfavor
[20:21] <bgardner> !es | EnYel
[20:21] <Beldar> !en | EnYel
[20:21] <pietro10> Nothing_Much: I'm trying to downgrade a package, not Ubuntu itself
[20:22] <EnYel> a ok
[20:22] <EnYel> es k tanbn soy nuevo en esto de irc como entro a #ubuntu-es
[20:22] <EnYel> ?
[20:22] <pietro10> ok synaptic can do it, thanks anyway
[20:22] <pietro10> EnYel: /join #ubuntu-es
[20:23] <EnYel> ok gracias
[20:23] <pietro10> de nada
[20:25] <pietro10> bluh no prior versions
[20:25] <pietro10> (this is from a ppa)
[20:26] <bazhang> pietro10, you want to go back to the non ppa version?
[20:26] <wingnut2626> z
[20:31] <coolerguy> okay, I have a process that starts running on each reboot of my ubuntu 11.10 machine, but I can't remember how I told the machine to run that command. Any ideas as to where I could have put that command?
[20:32] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: I hope you got my messages
[20:32] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | coolerguy
[20:32] <Nothing_Much> Because I can't stand USB wifi dongles
[20:32] <bazhang> coolerguy, that is eol please upgrade to a supported version
[20:33] <coolerguy> well yes
[20:33] <coolerguy> but still
[20:33] <Nothing_Much> What's the problem coolerguy?
[20:33] <coolerguy> specifically, the command works, but runs as the wrong user
[20:33] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, I see no messages directed at me answering my question.
 Beldar: More like a charity service to promote Ubuntu
 I won't make money off of it
 Unless I get donations, which would be okay, no?
[20:33] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: ^
[20:34] <llutz> coolerguy: /etc/rc.d, crontab, cron.d, /etc/init, /etc/init.d  .... lots of ways to start something
[20:34] <llutz> coolerguy: grep -ri progname /etc/*
[20:34] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, A very vague description, what is the gist of your end goal, and remember this is support not associated with canonical
[20:35] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: It's more like a promjotion to spread awareness about Ubuntu by teaching them what Ubuntu and Linux is
[20:35] <Nothing_Much> *promotion
[20:35] <coolerguy> llutz: there we go :D
[20:35] <damien84> damien84
[20:35] <coolerguy> why on earth would i have put it in rc.local?
[20:35] <coolerguy> oh well
[20:36] <Caph> hi! I'm having a little trouble with my new Ubuntu laptop. I have intel iris pro 4200 graphic card installed. I installed and run intel's driver setup tool but still I'm having 60 fps with glxgears. Can anyone help me with this? And yes I have googled... Thank you very much.
[20:36] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, Is there no ubuntu group in your area?
[20:36] <Nothing_Much> Beldar: Not necessarily
[20:36] <Nothing_Much> Can you pm me btw Beldar? I gotta head somewhere now
[20:36] <Beldar> Nothing_Much, I have pm off
[20:37] <Nothing_Much> Oh darn, you can disable that?
[20:37] <Nothing_Much> Neat
[20:37] <Nothing_Much> Well we can discuss this later, but to answer the question, I'm nowhere near an Ubuntu LoCo
[20:37] <Nothing_Much> I was thinking of going to a library or church somewhere
[20:38] <Nothing_Much> heading out now
[20:40] <siscoco> #ffmpeg
[20:44] <JCM83> What's the ubuntu equivalent of Task Manager in windows? I want to see total system resource usage and which processes are using it.
[20:44] <JCM83> (Ideally in a GUI form)
[20:44] <k1l_> JCM83: system monitor
[20:45] <usr13> JCM83: htop
[20:45] <JCM83> Thanks K1l
[20:50] <jpedroza2k> Greetings. I am having issues setting up three displays on a Lenovo laptop with dock running intel 4000 graphics and using 12.04 LTS
[20:51] <jpedroza2k> I can see all three displays and when I activate all of them and disable the laptop display I get an error about not being able to apply the configuration.
[20:51] <Beldar> !details | jpedroza2k specifics are important
[20:51] <jpedroza2k> Beldar, still working on the details, sorry.
[20:52] <jpedroza2k> I have the same laptop with the same dock running 13.10 and it works perfectly.
[20:52] <Beldar> jpedroza2k, Cool, just be careful not to spread them around in individual posts that may just get lost.
[20:54] <rp2> hello word, I would like to find out a little bit more about Ubuntu's sound configuration because I keep breaking my setup all the time
[20:55] <rp2> right now I need different settings for different applications, why?
[20:58] <Keanu73> Excuse me
[20:59] <Keanu73> how to reset my ubuntu password? I'm running it as a VM on VMware player
[20:59] <Beldar> Keanu73, In the terminal paswd
[20:59] <Beldar> passwd*
[21:01] <Bitwise> Hello. How can I do this for WINE's registry? REG ADD "HKLM\Software\foo\bar" /f /v KEY /t REG_BINARY /d "%value%"
[21:02] <Bitwise> I found this but it doesn't seem to have an add function. http://wiki.winehq.org/regedit
[21:02] <Keanu73> oh..
[21:03] <Keanu73> umm
[21:03] <Keanu73> how to open terminal on login screen?
[21:04] <k1l_> ctrl+alt+f1 ctrl+alt+f7 to come back
[21:04] <Beldar> Keanu73, tty is ctrl-alt-f1
[21:05] <kostkon> Keanu73, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[21:05] <Keanu73> okay
[21:08] <CrazyZurfer> guys... let's say I changed the computer's time with date command.. what time should I use in cron jobs because it's not working :/!
[21:08] <giovy7> ciao
[21:08] <giovy7> !list
[21:08] <giovy7> !alis
[21:11] <Bitwise> Hello. How can I do this for WINE's registry? REG ADD "HKLM\Software\foo\bar" /f /v KEY /t REG_BINARY /d "%value%"
[21:11] <bazhang> Bitwise, #winehq for support
[21:13] <gde33> I was curious how much work/money it would take to make a vm with ubuntu preloaded as a windows application with an option to reset it and an option to boot it. Would this be relatively easy or really a lot of work to make?
[21:13] <Bitwise> bazhang, I asked a question in there yesterday and didn't get a response the entire day.
[21:13] <justit> hello, can anyone help with port opening?
[21:15] <sammich> lawl wth am i doing here
[21:15] <sammich> k bye
[21:17] <CrazyZurfer> guys... let's say I changed the computer's time with date command.. what time should I use in cron jobs because it's not working :/!
[21:18] <SirCmpwn> what's the keyboard shortcut for opening a terminal?
[21:18] <bazhang> ctrl alt T
[21:18] <SirCmpwn> thanks
[21:21] <Evilmax> how i can avoid that an user performs some commands?
[21:21] <Evilmax> on ubuntu
[21:21] <Evilmax> specifics commands
[21:21] <bekks> Which specific commands?
[21:21] <Evilmax> or how i can limit an user to perform only some commands
[21:22] <Evilmax> i wan that www-data performs only rm, curl, grep and some other
[21:22] <bekks> The latter can be achieved by a restricted shell.
[21:22] <Evilmax> just 6-7 commands
[21:22] <Evilmax> possibile?
[21:23] <Keanu73> ahem
[21:23] <Evilmax> restricted shell for wwwdata
[21:23] <Keanu73> i'm using this command to install dancer-ircd: sudo aptitude install dancer-ircd dancer-services makepasswd
[21:24] <Keanu73> but it replies with that the command aptitude is not found
[21:24] <Evilmax> i would use sudo apt-get and not aptitude
[21:24] <bekks> www-data has /usr/sbin/nologin as its default shell.
[21:24] <k1l_> Keanu73: use apt-get instead of aptitude
[21:24] <Keanu73> hmm
[21:24] <Keanu73> edit the dancer-ircd guide then
[21:24] <Evilmax> anyway you can also in stall aptitude: sudo apt-get install aptitude
[21:25] <Evilmax> but aptitude is unnecessary for install your ircd
[21:25] <k1l_> Keanu73: aptitude is not installed anymore since some time due to problems with multiarch
[21:25] <Evilmax> sudo apt-get install dancer-ircd dancer-services makepasswd
[21:25] <Evilmax> you have to use:)
[21:26] <z1haze1> if I have two dedicated servers, whats the easiest way to transfer a bunch of stuff from 1 to the next?
[21:27] <bekks> z1haze1: scp
[21:27] <z1haze1> is that a program?
[21:27] <bekks> z1haze1: Yes.
[21:27] <bekks> !scp | z1haze1
[21:27] <z1haze1> awesome thanks dude
[21:28] <z1haze1> thats for windows only tho?
[21:28] <bekks> What? No. :)
[21:28] <z1haze1> oh ok, it just said winscp
[21:28] <jpedroza2k> I just did the upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 using the update tool, and now my system boots to a black screen with a non-blinking underscore and freezes. I can't get to TTY or anywhere for that matter. Is there a key I can hold at startup to show verbose boot mode?
[21:28] <bekks> "WinSCP is a client for Windows"
[21:28] <z1haze1> gotcha ill have to check that out
[21:29] <kyle__> bekks: Compiles cleanly with wine IIRC.
[21:29] <bekks> z1haze1: Just use scp.
[21:29] <bekks> kyle__: ?
[21:29] <stunts513> anyone know if vino-server fro vnc logs ip's anywhere? couldnt find any traces in the auth.log like i think i have seen people suggest. I got careless and accidently turned pasword protection off overnight and came back with someone connected.
[21:29] <z1haze1> how can i get scp bekks
[21:29] <Jordan_U> z1haze1: sshfs is also nice as it allows you to mount the remote FS rather than copying files/directories individually (one login per copy operation vs logging in once to mount).
[21:29] <bekks> z1haze1: You already have it when running a ssh server.
[21:29] <kyle__> bekks: Winscp and putty can both be compiled with wine, to run under real OSes.  Really helpful if you have to walk a windows user through using it.
[21:30] <bekks> kyle__: There is a native putty port.
[21:30] <z1haze1> bekks, how does it authorize the transfer?
[21:31] <bekks> z1haze1: Using OpenSSL.
[21:31] <kyle__> bekks: Really?  It's not just compiled against wine?  Hu.  Must look at it one of these days.
[21:31] <bekks> kyle__: Just use filezilla instead of WinSCP, and you dont even have to compile anything anymore.
[21:31] <z1haze1> a command something like scp -rC /var/www/* user@domain.com:/var/www ?
[21:32] <Jordan_U> z1haze1: *Using OpenSSH.
[21:32] <CrazyZurfer> jpedroza2k: can you access to a terminal? might be by pressing control+ alt +f1
[21:32] <john_rambo> Both whitelist and blacklist are disabled but I am still getting this in snort http://paste.ubuntu.com/6956552/
[21:32] <Jordan_U> Well, I guess both are true.
[21:32] <rooisto47> Hi everyone, I want to install the "scim-pinyin" package but it seems that it's not present in the repository... can anyone help me installing it?
[21:33] <CrazyZurfer> !cron-jobs
[21:33] <z1haze1> Jordan_U is openSSH putty? is that a program? im like stupid when it comes to this stuff i only need this server to host a game server lol
[21:34] <kyle__> z1haze1: openSSH and putty are both implementations of the ssh protocol.  Openssh is an implementation of both the client and server ends, putty is an implimentation of only the client end.
[21:34] <z1haze1> so i need to download openSSH program to my computer?
[21:35] <bekks> !ssh | z1haze1
[21:35] <kyle__> z1haze1: Err.  If you did a default install of ubuntu, openssh's client software is included.  The server end of it is in a package called openssh-server (I beleive).  If you need to connect to the machine using ssh, you need to install openssh-server.
[21:36] <z1haze1> i use putty to ssh into my server now
[21:36] <Jordan_U> z1haze1: Pretty much every GNU/Linux installation has openssh client installed by default. You may need to install openssh-server manually (Make sure that you have a secure password for all accounts, and a good firewall, before installing openssh-server).
[21:36] <Jordan_U> z1haze1: Then you already have openssh-server installed.
[21:36] <bekks> z1haze1: So you already have scp installed.
[21:36] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer, No terminal  at all.
[21:36] <z1haze1> so what do i need to do to copy my stuff voer
[21:36] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer, Was able to boot with nosplash debug added to grub.
[21:37] <z1haze1> oveR*
[21:37] <bekks> z1haze1: scp.
[21:37] <bekks> !scp | z1haze1
[21:38] <z1haze1> yea so  im asking if its just a command like scp filename user@host:filename whats stopping anyone from just adding files to any server
[21:39] <z1haze1> isnt there some sort of password its gonna prompt for or something
[21:39] <CrazyZurfer> jpedroza2k: try this: hold down (or repeatedly tap) the Shift key while you boot. Grub should present you with a menu. Choose the second option, to go into recovery mode; then choose, Drop to root shell prompt.
[21:39] <Jordan_U> z1haze1: There is a password prompt.
[21:39] <z1haze1> ah
[21:39] <bekks> z1haze1: you are lokking in to your server using ssh either by password or by public key. Other dont have that, so they cant copy files.
[21:39] <bekks> *logging
[21:40] <z1haze1> ok so after i type the command its gonna ask for the password for the server im scp to?
[21:40] <Jordan_U> z1haze1: Correct.
[21:40] <Pici> normally
[21:40] <z1haze1> makes sense now :) thanks  sorry im dumb, i just read an article people recommend rsync for large archives?
[21:40] <z1haze1> do you?
[21:40] <bekks> z1haze1: that depends wether you use password authentication or public key authentication.
[21:40] <z1haze1> its like 15-20gbs
[21:40] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer,  Ok, we are there.
[21:41] <z1haze1> i havnet loggedinto the new one yet, we're moving to ovh
[21:41] <z1haze1> if that tells you anything
[21:41] <jhutchins> z1haze1: I've used winscp to transfer between linux & windows/
[21:41] <CrazyZurfer> jpedroza2k: do you have access to the terminal now?
[21:41] <z1haze1> ill have to get that, seems i could make less mistakes with a gui
[21:41] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer, Yes, I am at a root prompt
[21:41] <Jordan_U> z1haze1: Rsync gives nice progress indication, and is *much* more efficient when doing incremental backups and synchronization (where only part of a large set of data changes). If you're just doing a one time copy of data then scp and rsync will be equally fast.
[21:42] <CrazyZurfer> good
[21:42] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer, I can also get to a login by removing nosplash and quiet from the grub options.
[21:42] <jhutchins> z1haze1: rsync has a couple of advantages.  For one, it can be arbitrarily stopped and restarted, and it only transfers differences so a re-start is essentially a resume.
[21:42] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer,  Sorry splash, not nospalsh
[21:43] <Torolf> Anyone have experience with intel wireless drivers on ubuntu?
[21:43] <jhutchins> z1haze1: Oh, you can definitely make more mistakes with a GUI.  With the cli, an error is likely to fail.  With a GUI, clicking the wrong thing will DO the wrong thing.
[21:43] <CrazyZurfer> jpedroza2k: sorry, but I have to go now.. it's quite urgent. sorry :S!
[21:44] <CrazyZurfer> I won't be able to help you right now
[21:44] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer, No worries, I am going to format install 13.10 at this point.
[21:44] <CrazyZurfer> yeah.. root acces is good to back up stuff
[21:44] <CrazyZurfer> bye
[21:44] <jpedroza2k> CrazyZurfer, I have backed up user home dir.
[21:44] <CrazyZurfer> ;)
[21:44] <basketball> glitsj16,
[21:46] <Astyanx> Can someone recommend the easiest way to setup a VPN on my 13.10 home server?
[21:46] <bekks> !vpn | Astyanx
[21:46] <Astyanx> ty
[21:58] <nimbiotics> Is there a channel where I can ask about proxy servers?? TIA!
[21:58] <Pici> nimbiotics: like squid?
[22:07] <Torolf> Anyone familiar with installing intel wireless drivers in Ubuntu>
[22:08] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: usb or pci adapter?
[22:08] <Torolf> pci
[22:08] <k1l_> Torolf: they should be included into the kernel
[22:08] <Torolf> Well, they are not. Though I've found linux supported drivers. I just can't get them working.
[22:09] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: can you tell us the output of: lspci -nn | grep Network | grep -o '\[....:....\]'
[22:09] <Torolf> EhitsujiTMO: I'm not quite sure what that means.
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: its a terminal command. It is used to get the vendor id and device id of the wireless adapter
[22:10] <Torolf> So is it a copy paste style thing or do I need to change parts of that?
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: copy + paste as is
[22:11] <peterpacz1> Hello
[22:11] <peterpacz1> I have a question.
[22:11] <peterpacz1> May I ask?
[22:11] <hitsujiTMO> !ask
[22:12] <peterpacz1> I installed python 3x on my ubuntu 13.10 computer, and it appears that the symbolic link doesn't seem to work. It should compile a .py file using the python 3 compiler when I use the py command, but it gives me command not found, when used in the terminal. Using the python command only compiles in python 2.x
[22:13] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: that specific terminal entry told me -nn wasn't something I can use.
[22:14] <peterpacz1> Hello?
[22:14] <peterpacz1> :/
[22:14] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: try again make sure you type this in exactly:            lspci -nn | grep Network | grep -o '\[....:....\]'
[22:15] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: """I installed python 3x"""   what exactly do you mean by this?
[22:15] <Torolf> Okay I got a result this time
[22:15] <peterpacz1> Well, I wanted to learn python 3.xx (etc, 3.33). So I compiled it from source.
[22:16] <Pici> peterpacz1: python3 is in the repositories.
[22:16] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: ok. don't do that. 13.10 comes with python 3.3
[22:16] <peterpacz1> It doesn't seem like that. I tried running a few python 3 code files as a test, and none of them worked.
[22:16] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO:  [8086:422c]
[22:16] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: its already installed as part of the base install, so you may actually end up breraking your system by installing it
[22:16] <peterpacz1> Oh.
[22:16] <peterpacz1> Really?
[22:17] <Astyanx> I have a gigabit ethernet card plugged into my 13.10 server, but whenever I plug a cable into it, it doesn't detect it.  Do I have to do anything in particular to have it pick it up and use it instead, I could have swore I saw it when I installed the server and selected it.
[22:17] <hitsujiTMO> Peterman: either use: python3 /path/to/blarg.py     or add the shebang: #!/usr/bin/python3
[22:17] <peterpacz1> I don't know... I followed the instructions here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/244544/how-to-install-python-3-3 specifically the compile from source ones.
[22:17] <Jordan_U> Astyanx: What do you mean by "doesn't detect it"? Does the interface show up in the output of "ifconfig"?
[22:18] <peterpacz1> It didn't install over the default compiler, it just installed in a new directory.
[22:18] <Astyanx> sec.
[22:18] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: ok, but where did you create this symbolic link then?
[22:19] <hitsujiTMO> Peterman: """it appears that the symbolic link doesn't seem to work"""
[22:19] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: ^
[22:19] <peterpacz1> First, I did this: mkdir ~/bin. Then, I did this: ln -s /opt/python3.3/bin/python3.3 ~/bin/py
[22:19] <peterpacz1> That's what I used to create the symlink
[22:20] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi is where I'm sure I got my driver from.
[22:20] <hitsujiTMO> Peterman: ok, to yout home bin. did ~/bin exist before that?
[22:20] <peterpacz1> I don't think so.
[22:20] <Jordan_U> peterpacz1: You need to log out and back in again for ~/bin/ to be automatically added to your $PATH. That said, you should *not* be doing this at all, remove your manually compiled python and the symlink and use python3 from the repositories.
[22:21] <peterpacz1> Oh.
[22:21] <peterpacz1> Sorry :(
[22:21] <peterpacz1> I'm just a 13 year old who wanted to start on python 3.
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: then you need to relog for ~/bin to be added to your $PATH. byt, in saying that, just remove that symlink, remove the python3 your compiled and installed and just use the already supplied python3
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> s/byt/but
[22:21] <peterpacz1> What should I do to undo this hole I dug myself into? Just remove the link and the py3 that I compiled?
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: bah, you beat me to it :P
[22:22] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: can you paste the output of: uname -r
[22:23] <peterpacz1> Guys... I'm pretty sure ubuntu 13.10 don't have python 3 installed as default. Because, I ran python programs on this thing before, and they were only 2.xx, the 3.xx programs didn't work
[22:23] <Torolf> 3.11.0-15-generic
[22:24] <jeremi> security FB account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWKGknj7LA
[22:24] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: it does. in fact, the absolute minimal install possible of ubuntu 13.10 comes with python3
[22:24] <peterpacz1> Alright
[22:24] <jeremi> security FB account: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMWKGknj7LA
[22:24] <hitsujiTMO> jeremi: please do not spam in here
[22:24] <Jordan_U> peterpacz1: You need to run "python3" to use python3.
[22:24] <peterpacz1> If that works... what do i type in the terminal to run it? I assume it's cd [directory] python programname.py
[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> Peterman: either use: python3 /path/to/blarg.py     or add the shebang: #!/usr/bin/python3
[22:25] <CarlFK> peterpacz1: carl@twist:~$ python3.3  ... Python 3.3.2+ (default, Oct  9 2013, 14:50:09)
[22:25] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: 3.11.0-15-generic
[22:25] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: the driver is supplied in the kernel
[22:25] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: what exactly does that mean?
[22:26] <peterpacz1> Ok
[22:26] <Jordan_U> peterpacz1: You should always run programs at a terminal using "./programname" or "/path/to/program", and they should use the correct interpreter based on their #! line. This goes for python, perl, bash, and compiled programs.
[22:26] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: you don't need to install the driver. its built into the kernel. it should work without installing anything
[22:26] <peterpacz1> Oh
[22:26] <peterpacz1> I'm stupid
[22:26] <peterpacz1> I wrote those programs myself. They don't have a #! line.
[22:26] <peterpacz1> :(
[22:27] <Torolf> Hm, well I cannot access a wireless point. Sysinfo actually shows that I have a wireless card installed, I just can't use it.
[22:27] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: ^
[22:27] <hitsujiTMO> peterpacz1: simply type: python3 pythonscript.py                    then
[22:27] <peterpacz1> Ok
[22:27] <peterpacz1> Thanks for all your help
[22:27] <peterpacz1> I feel truely humbled.
[22:28] <peterpacz1> I only drabbled with bots and scripts and the sort before.
[22:29] <Evilmax> hitsujiTMO
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: i'm looking a bug report now for that device. seems there is a known speed issue with kernel 3.11. It's fixed in a later kernel
[22:29] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: how do I update my kernel then?
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: you can checkout the latest mainline kernel via: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds         the latest stable is localted here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13.3-trusty/
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: I assume you are running 64bit ubuntu?
[22:32] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: yes I am.
[22:33] <basketball> when i insert a bland dvd it says it is already mounted and cannot mount
[22:33] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: then you'd need to install these 3 debs tyo get 3.13.3: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13.3-trusty/linux-headers-3.13.3-031303-generic_3.13.3-031303.201402131842_amd64.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13.3-trusty/linux-headers-3.13.3-031303_3.13.3-031303.201402131842_all.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13.3-trusty/linux-image-3.13.3-031303-generic_3.13.3-031303.201402131842_
[22:33] <hitsujiTMO> amd64.deb
[22:33] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: sorry, that last one is: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.13.3-trusty/linux-image-3.13.3-031303-generic_3.13.3-031303.201402131842_amd64.deb
[22:34] <wittybear> I just raised a bug and be interested in comments -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/+bug/1281814
[22:34] <Torolf> hitsujiTMO: I'm not sure what to do with these when I've got them downloaded.
[22:35] <wittybear> ubottu - how spo0ky we posted at the same time
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> Torolf: run: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/debs.deb          for each one
[22:36] <wittybear> ubottu: is that sarcasm?
[22:36] <wittybear> I guess not!
[22:36] <nimbiotics> Pici: no, its a bit complicated and too OT to explain here
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> !alis | nimbiotics then this is what you're looking for
[22:39] <wittybear> anyone else problems with installing the SDK ?
[22:41] <hitsujiTMO> wittybear: maybe ask in #ubuntu-app-devel
[22:41] <basketball> when i insert a bland dvd it says it is already mounted and cannot mount
[22:42] <wittybear> hitsujiTMO - Thanks
[22:44] <ice9> where is the openvpn pid file created?
[22:45] <BruceMotorboat> Hey, i have bamt (a debian distro) but can't seem to install chrome on it, it just says dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-chrome-stable
[22:45] <nubcake> hey, i just failed to boot my workstation (grub rescue> no such device some-uuid-from-other-hdd) so i booted from a live stick to set the correct uuid in the fstab, still getting that error with the correct fstab-uuid, any ideas ? i'm sorta stuck :(
[22:45] <Astyanx> How do I change which ethernet card is being utilized?  It's connecting to my 100mbit motherboard card, but there's a gigabit card installed that was detected during setup.  Can anyone help please?
[22:45] <BruceMotorboat> i was wondering if anyone had a clue whats going on
[22:46] <BruceMotorboat> i've tried sudo apt-get -f install
[22:47] <gonyere> BruceMOtorboat - try chromium
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> BruceMotorboat: thats not supported here, you'd have to go to bamt support for any help with that
[22:48] <BruceMotorboat> bamt is just a debian distro ..
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> this is #ubuntu support. we cannot support other distros here
[22:49] <BruceMotorboat> lol u should listen to urself
[22:50] <Jordan_U> BruceMotorboat: This channel only supports Ubuntu. That is official channel policy and is not going to change.
[22:50] <nubcake> this is my /etc/fstab http://pastebin.com/17GatUzd   anything "not-normal" there?
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO> BruceMotorboat: sorry? looking up bamt, its not even a desktop distro. it's a dedicated mining distro
[22:50] <Jordan_U> BruceMotorboat: bamt likely has an IRC channel of their own, and if not you can always try ##linux.
[22:51] <BruceMotorboat> the close mindedness in this channel really hurts my head
[22:51] <BruceMotorboat> gonyere: Thanks for your suggestion ima try it out
[22:51] <nubcake> BruceMotorboat: do you go to Chevrolet and ask them for help with your vw beetle ?
[22:51] <nubcake> just saying.. :)
[22:53] <Astyanx> Anyone?  How do I use 'eth0' instead of 'eth1'?
[22:53] <BruceMotorboat> nubcake: umm, to further illustrate your point u'd actually be comparing something like honda/accord since they are both from the same developer
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: what is the output of: ls /sys/class/net
[22:54] <Jordan_U> BruceMotorboat: nubcake: This discussion is also offtopic. Please continue it elsewhere or not at all.
[22:54] <Astyanx> eth0  eth1  lo
[22:54] <utusan> Astyanx: just replace eth1 instead with eth0
[22:55] <Astyanx> where?  i've been using linux for 24 hours or so. :D
[22:55] <GunArm> I cannot connect to my deluged deamon.  when I run "sudo lsof | grep deluged" it lists a line that says "IPv4 522286   0t0 TCP *:58846 (LISTEN)"    but when I run "telnet localhost 58846" it cannot connect
[22:55] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: how are you configuring your network? what do you have physically connected?
[22:55] <GunArm> how can it list an open handle to that port yet not be able to telnet to it?
[22:55] <Guest9043> ciao
[22:55] <basketball> Unable to mount Blank DVD+R Disc   Location is already mounted
[22:56] <Jordan_U> basketball: Please pastebin the contents of /proc/mounts.
[22:56] <hggdh> BruceMotorboat: the dependency issues should have been listed when you run your install. Look at these packages, perhaps you need to update some
[22:56] <Astyanx> hitsujiTMO;  I'm unsure, I did it with the setup when I installed the OS.  At the time it detected both my motherboard LAN, and the gigabit LAN card pci.  I have a ethernet cable physically connected to the motherboard, because it won't get a IP if it's plugged into the PCI card
[22:57] <basketball> Jordan_U,  bash: /proc/mounts: Permission denied
[22:57] <basketball> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[22:58] <Jordan_U> basketball: /proc/mounts is not a command, it's a file. If you're using pastebinit then it would be "pastebinit /proc/mounts".
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: do you just want to change the name of the dervice form eth1 to eth0? or what exactly?
[22:58] <Guest9043>  irc.futureshell.         #the_pub THE|PUB|3|7DaYs|   1.1G 2014-02-13 18:35 Sole.A.Catinelle.2013.iTALIAN.AC3.BRRip.XviD-Gamma.PapeeteGroup.avi
[22:58] <basketball> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6957043/
[22:58] <Astyanx> hitsujiTMO;  appologies.  I want to start using the PCI card since its gigabit, instead of the motherboard 100mbit.  If I plug the ethernet cable into the PCI gigabit though, nothing happens, ubuntu doesnt pick it up when it boots.
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> !list > Guest9043
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: ok. most likely a driver issue then. can you: run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit && lspci -knn | pastebinit
[23:00] <BruceMotorboat> hggdh: Yeah, you're correct, i'm missing a few packages such as libgd-pixbuf2.0-0 / libnspr4 / libnss3 ;
[23:00] <basketball> Jordan_U,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6957043/
[23:00] <utusan> Astyanx: you might need to config your bios to set that card as the primary net card
[23:01] <Jordan_U> hggdh: BruceMotorboat: Please continue this discussion in ##linux.
[23:02] <Astyanx> Doh, there's no way to do it via ssh?
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: not sure what you mean. that command will run via ssh
[23:04] <Jordan_U> basketball: Please pastebin the output of "udisks --mount /dev/sr0".
[23:05] <dgarstang2> I got a question about apt-cacher-ng... if anyone has skillz with that...
[23:05] <basketball> Jordan_U,  can you help me in a PM
[23:05] <Astyanx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6957064/
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> dgarstang2: ask the question and someone might answer
[23:06] <dgarstang2> hitsujiTMO: allrighty then. my client is configured to talk to the proxy... what do I do with sources.list tho? it's still pointing to archive.ubuntu.com.
[23:06] <dgarstang2> hitsujiTMO: and... if I switch it to the proxy's address, and run an apt-get update I get "403  URL seems to be made for proxy but contains apt-cacher-ng port. Inconsistent apt configuration?"
[23:06] <wittybear> Astyanx: Try looking in /etc/udev/rules.d ... this is where the mac address is mapped with the eth number
[23:07] <dgarstang2> oh wait
[23:07] <dgarstang2> derr
[23:07] <nubcake> no one? i'm totally stuck here with that damn sas-harddisk/controller, grub just wont boot further, just directly goes to grub rescue>   :(
[23:07] <Jordan_U> basketball: I'd prefer to keep discussion in-channel. If you're having trouble following the conversation try "/lastlog basketball" to only show messages to and from you.
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: can you also run: ifconfig | pastebinit
[23:08] <basketball> ok Jordan_U
[23:08] <Jordan_U> nubcake: Does the drive containing /boot/grub/ show up in your boot firmware menus at all?
[23:09] <basketball> Jordan_U,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6957062/
[23:09] <Jordan_U> basketball: Interesting, that's certainly a different error message. Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid".
[23:09] <nubcake> Jordan_U: i can boot to a live_usb system, doing blkid, shows it correctly, but when i try to grub rescue> ls (hdX) (X for all the numbers listed there) it wont show up
[23:10] <Jordan_U> nubcake: Does the drive containing /boot/grub/ show up in your boot firmware menus at all?
[23:10] <GunArm> I have a program that should be opening a socket on port 58846.......when I run "sudo lsof | grep deluged" it lists a line that says "IPv4 522286   0t0 TCP *:58846 (LISTEN)"    but when I run "telnet localhost 58846" it cannot connect.... any troubleshooting suggestions?
[23:10] <nubcake> Jordan_U: do you mean in the raid controller ? (if so, yes it does)
[23:11] <basketball> Jordan_U,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6957094/
[23:11] <dgarstang2> How about.... what about apt-cache-ng package importing?
[23:13] <Jordan_U> nubcake: When you boot your computer, the first thing that runs is the boot firmware (often, sometimes incorrectly, called "the BIOS"). Usually, the boot firmware provides a way to, instead of booting an OS, enter menus in the boot firmware itself to configure things like boot order. Do you know how to get to these menus? Do any of these menus list drives? If so, is the drive containing /boot/grub/ listed in these menus?
[23:14] <nubcake> Jordan_U: the drive shows in the "BIOS", also shows in the controllers configuration menu, also shows in a live-booted operating system, just doesnt show up in grub
[23:15] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: ok, from looking up your device, the realtek 8169 (your onboard  NIC) is just as problematic as its 8168 counterpart and doesn't work with the 3.X kernels. it's unlikely that you'll get it to work
[23:15] <Jordan_U> nubcake: Interesting. Can you easily remove all but the drive in question as a test? Do you have grub's boot sector installed to the MBR of the drive in question?
[23:16] <nubcake> Jordan_U: yes, will do in a minute, yep, had the grub in the bootsector installed, be right back in a minute
[23:16] <dgarstang2> argh. "URL seems to be made for proxy but contains apt-cacher-ng port"
[23:17] <Jordan_U> basketball: Ahh, now that I look back at your original queation I see the problem. You don't mount blank disks, you only mount disks that have data on them.
[23:17] <nubcake> okay, removed everything but cdrom and the sas-drive
[23:17] <k1l_> !netsplit
[23:17] <basketball> Jordan_U,  i want to make a live disk from the terminal
[23:17] <nubcake> Jordan_U: Wow... it seems to work now, with just that drive installed..
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> dgarstang2: how have you sdpecified the proxy?
[23:18] <nubcake> also it hangs now at the point where it waits for another disk which should be mounted at /var/www but isn't there now
[23:19] <Jordan_U> nubcake: Your boot firmware is responsible for giving grub access to drives, so I suspect that a problem (possibly bug) with your boot firmware is to blame. The reason you got a grub rescue shell at all before is that you also have grub's boot sector installed to the MBR of one of your other drives.
[23:20] <nubcake> Jordan_U: oh.. okay, will check that :) be right back
[23:20] <Vivekananda> did I miss something
[23:20] <Astyanx> hitsujiTMO;  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6957064/
[23:20] <Jordan_U> nubcake: It's possible that making the SAS drive the first in the boot order will fix things (even with the other drives plugged in).
[23:20] <basketball> Jordan_U,  please pm this is too busy
[23:20] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: ok, from looking up your device, the realtek 8169 (your onboard  NIC) is just as problematic as its 8168 counterpart and doesn't work with the 3.X kernels. it's unlikely that you'll get it to work
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> basketball: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning
[23:21] <Astyanx> hitsujiTMO;  It worked just fine during system setup
[23:22] <Vooloo> can I share a directory within my home dir and only share that dir with other users on the same system?
[23:23] <Vivekananda> I am stilll on the same issue but I managed to install ubuntu 64 bit on lenovo t61 with a lot of ado
[23:24] <spytr0n> hi
[23:24] <basketball> hitsujiTMO,  hey root@harris-HP-Pavilion-dv6000-RP296UA-ABA:~# sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 cd_image.iso /media/cdrom cd_image.iso: No such file or directory
[23:24] <nubcake> Jordan_U: will try, thank you
[23:24] <nubcake> oh well... now i have grub installed on the harddisk which is supposed to hold /var/www - is there any way to remove it, but formatting ?
[23:25] <bekks> nubcake: You're on 13.04?
[23:26] <bekks> Still, I mean?
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> Astyanx: this is the only reference I can fid to some one getting it to work: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2143973.html
[23:27] <wittybear> Oh my word... I have managed to install the SDK at last !!!! :D
[23:28] <wittybear> I am one happy fruit cake :) yipeee .... now I can play
[23:28] <dariusz> hello
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> basketball:  thats a demonsatration of how to use the command. you're supposed to replace the arguments with the correct values, i.e. replace  cd_image.iso with the pasth to the iso file
[23:29] <Vivekananda> cannot anyone recommend what to use as nvidia drivers for 64 bits in this computer.Also the other problem of seeing /home/user/ instead of /home/user/Desktop  on a FREsh install of uubntu. So if there is something I can delete on /home to get the default view back ?
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> !yay | wittybear
[23:29] <Oog> can someone confirm rsyslog+logrotate has issues with a default 13.10 install? ive been trying to figure out the correcty wao to fix it for a while...
[23:30] <Oog> there doesnt seem to be a high ranked page on google explaining how to fix this
[23:30] <Vooloo> is it possible to share a directory within my home directory like /home/myuser/stuff if they do not have access to read /home/myuser ?
[23:30] <wittybear> Thanks all!
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> Oog: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/940030
[23:31] <Vivekananda> wittybear: what sdk did you install
[23:31] <Vivekananda> and on what config ?
[23:31] <Oog> hitsujiTMO: how is this reported back in 2012 and still a problem
[23:31] <Peetz0r> I'm rying to install ubuntu using the mini iso, and I get this error when it tries to install grub: http://i.imgur.com/MnZEdxc.jpg
[23:31] <Vivekananda> anyone take a cracks or cracks at my couple of configure issues
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> Oog: unsure. looks like they have yet to find the source of the problem
[23:32] <Beldar> Peetz0r, This a uefi (W8) computer?
[23:32] <Oog> so i actually changed it to restart that didnt fix it
[23:33] <Oog> i then upgraded rsyslog to 7.4.10 stable because i heard that would fix it
[23:33] <Peetz0r> Beldar: yes, but I already tried disabling uefi in the bios
[23:33] <Oog> which i THINK it does but there is a new problem
[23:33] <Oog> var/log has access drwxr-xr-x 15 root root
[23:34] <Oog> rsyslog runs as syslog user so it cant create files in /var/log - what is the correct solution...?
[23:34] <Beldar> Peetz0r, I don't believe you can do a efi install from the mini, grub would go to  efi partition not the mbr if this is still a gpt partition table. Is W8 still on the computer?
[23:35] <Oog> it seems syslog being broken is like a big deal right? im surprised there arent more google hits and a well known solution
[23:36] <Peetz0r> Beldar: it's not a 'w8' computer
[23:36] <Peetz0r> I have never ever seen or touched any commecrial os ever
[23:36] <nubcake> Jordan_U: Thanks for your help, bedtime now :) see you around!
[23:36] <Peetz0r> (it's empty)
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> Peetz0r: do you have a live cd to boot?
[23:36] <Beldar> Peetz0r, Why are you using the mini? and be clear is this a gpt table and uefi still, disabling does not change this.
[23:37] <hewhomust> Oog just change permissions on the folder
[23:37] <Peetz0r> hitsujiTMO: there'sno cd drive, I boot from usb
[23:37] <Oog> hewhomust: to what? something tells me /var/log should be o+w right?
[23:37] <Peetz0r> i dd'd the mini iso to the usb drive using another laptop
[23:37] <Peetz0r> I chose themini because I was looking for the alternate cd and this came as close as possible
[23:38] <Beldar> Peetz0r, Do you want a msdos table and using the mbr?
[23:38] <Peetz0r> I don't like grapical installers
[23:38] <Oog> maybe make a new group - logging - with root and syslog in it? and give it g+w ?
[23:38] <Peetz0r> Beldar: I don't actually know
[23:38] <Peetz0r> I do know that I have a 128gb ssd as the onlydrive, and that I want full disk encryption
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> Peetz0r: do you have a live usb then?
[23:38] <Peetz0r> what would be the best thing to do?
[23:38] <Peetz0r> hitsujiTMO: not a live usb, just the installer
[23:39] <Beldar> Peetz0r, hitsujiTMO can set you up and straight. ;)
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> Peetz0r: can you get a 13.10 desktop or 12.04 desktop iso to boot so we can have a look at what is goin on with the system.
[23:40] <Peetz0r> maybe, bot that would take a lot of time downloading stuff which I'll never use
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> Peetz0r: its difficult to see whats going on exactly without the right tools.
[23:42] <weems> What do I do if I login to my XFCE user account and all that loads is the wallpaper? The guest account loads the UI fine
[23:42] <utusan> Peetz0r: I think sda is your install usb that's why it's getting error?
[23:43] <Peetz0r> utusan: that could be
[23:43] <Peetz0r> should I unplug the usb drive?
[23:43] <Peetz0r> would the installer still work when I unplug the usb drive?
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> Peetz0r: as beldar pointed out, its more than likely that you've tried to install onto a drive with a gpt partition table and not a msdos. what you could try and do is see if you can run parted from the mini.iso and recreate a msdos/mbr partition table with that and reinstall.... why exactly did you want to use the mini.iso over the desktop iso?
[23:43] <weems> What do I do if I login to my XFCE user account and all that loads is the wallpaper? The guest account loads the UI fine
[23:44] <utusan> Peetz0r: during partition, take note of the dev names so you can put the right one =during the grub install
[23:44] <Peetz0r> hitsujiTMO: i chose the mini because I very much dislike the grapical installer
[23:44] <Peetz0r> I was looking for the alternate and found the mini instead
[23:45] <Peetz0r> utusan: my usb drive is indeed /dev/sda and the laptop ssd is /dev/sdb
[23:45] <Peetz0r> so I should manually fix grub from the command line now?
[23:45] <hitsujiTMO> Peetz0r: i see. for 13.10 the alternative features have been included in the desktop iso. just that its purely a graphical installer
[23:45] <utusan> Peetz0r: if you can go back to grub-install put the sdb then
[23:45] <Peetz0r> i'll try what utusan says first
[23:45] <utusan> Peetz0r: yes
[23:45] <Peetz0r> and if that doesn't workI'll try what hitsujiTMO says
[23:46] <basketball> i got it
[23:50] <utusan> Peetz0r: that's the prob with ubuntu installer if you are not paying attention during the partitiion for the dev names.
[23:54] <tongcx> hi guys, what about snapshot vs image?
[23:55] <Jordan_U> tongcx: You're going to need to provide a lot more context for that question to be answerable. What are you trying to accomplish?
[23:55] <utusan> aren't they the same?
[23:57] <tongcx> Jordan_U: so i'm just curious about difference between a virtual machine snapshot vs image
[23:58] <Vivekananda> my xchat keeps shutting down