[00:02] <Unit193> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/trusty-desktop-amd64.manifest
[00:46] <bluesabre> ochosi, lderan: need any help with light-locker-settings?
[01:41] <ochosi> ey bluesabre 
[01:42] <bluesabre> ey chosi
[01:42] <ochosi> gotta catch up on some backlog
[01:42] <ochosi> but i guess we need help with all that python packaging stuff
[01:42]  * ochosi has no clue..
[01:43] <ochosi> it's really strange, but writing python felt like *fun*
[01:45] <ali1234> python just makes everything so easy
[01:45] <ochosi> ok, so ppl are demanding setting "Hidden=True"
[01:46] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, but the simplistic dialog that we did weighs 25mb, whereas the much more complex xfce4-powermanager-settings weighs around 13mb (according to task-manager)
[01:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: are you still there?
[01:48] <ochosi> hm, i also need to write another small patch for the scales
[01:48] <bluesabre> yeah, got distracted
[01:48] <ochosi> then the dialog should be okayish and pushable
[01:48] <ochosi> (with the exception of those desktop-file settings that i know nothing about)
[01:49] <bluesabre> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html
[01:49] <bluesabre> I'll see about putting together a base build.py for it
[01:49]  * ochosi doesn't wanna read specs...
[01:49] <ali1234> you can use quickly to package up python stuff
[01:49] <ochosi> ok, lemme quickly fix that screenoff-scale
[01:50] <bluesabre> just tells about each of the keys
[01:50] <ochosi> ah
[01:50] <ochosi> still, me=lazy
[01:50] <ochosi> i've already spent quite some time on the dialog
[01:50] <bluesabre> :)
[01:50] <ochosi> and i wanna push it as is, even if that means ppl will have to restart the session to apply
[01:51] <ochosi> finding out whether light-locker is installed/running just has too many variables to be a viable way for *me* to implement in the short time we have now
[01:51] <ochosi> and usually you don't change your locker-settings all the time
[01:51] <ochosi> and screensaver settings get applied immediately, so i think it's really ok
[01:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll see about adding some of those things while I'm at it
[01:52] <bluesabre> my wife is super late tonight, so I've got some time it seems
[01:52] <ochosi> yeah, but for now nr1) is packaging
[01:52] <ochosi> we need this uploaded before FF
[01:52] <bluesabre> yup
[01:52] <bluesabre> and thats going to be super tight
[01:52] <ochosi> btw, what's the status of lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[01:52] <ochosi> i know
[01:52] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1280670
[01:52] <ochosi> so don't waste any time now on improving things
[01:52] <ochosi> i know there's an ample margin
[01:53] <ochosi> but still
[01:53] <ochosi> rewriting the code doesn't help
[01:53] <ochosi> we can "sneak" that in as bugfix later
[01:53] <ochosi> (as long as it's not a complete rewrite)
[01:53] <bluesabre> nah
[01:53] <bluesabre> should be about 10 lines
[01:53] <bluesabre> its python
[01:53] <bluesabre> python is magic
[01:53] <ochosi> what do you want to add/change?
[01:54] <bluesabre> detecting, restarting light-locker so you don't have to end your session to change a setting
[01:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: are you sure you can do that *safely* ?
[01:57] <ochosi> i sense a source for bugs-bugs-bugs
[01:57] <bluesabre> yup
[01:57] <bluesabre> python-psutil
[01:57] <ochosi> don't forget, this dialog is quite untested
[01:57] <bluesabre> detects running processes, gets their pid, we can kill with that
[01:58] <ochosi> also, i haven't removed the one switch
[01:58] <ochosi> yeah, but killing isn't very nice...
[01:58] <ochosi> the "lock after screensaver"-switch could be removed from the UI and the code
[01:58] <bluesabre> we have enough morals with gpl :)
[01:58] <ochosi> because the range below has a -1 value which == disabled
[01:59] <ochosi> just not sure it's clear enough for ppl to understand
[01:59] <ochosi> (as elfy's question today nicely illustrated)
[01:59] <bluesabre> well, I'll get this set up tonight
[01:59] <bluesabre> after we get it in ubuntu, I'll help set up translations for it as well
[02:00] <ochosi> great
[02:00] <ochosi> well for now, just getting this in is all i'm aiming for
[02:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, you already have push-rights to the project
[02:04] <bluesabre> yup, going to make good use of that :)
[02:04]  * ochosi is afraid there won't be much of the current code left once bluesabre is done with it
[02:04] <bluesabre> :D
[02:04] <ochosi> at least for the part that i've written/changed, i'm pretty sure it's cumbersome
[02:04] <ochosi> and it doesn't use xlib
[02:04]  * bluesabre is afraid it will be a lot more readable when bluesabre is done with it
[02:04] <ochosi> it's a bash-script wrapped in python :)
[02:05] <ochosi> hey, you should've read it before i started making it more readable! :D
[02:09] <bluesabre> ochosi: still around?
[02:09] <ochosi> sure
[02:10] <ochosi> well, "sure" :)
[02:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: what's up?
[02:12] <bluesabre> pull the latest revision to make sure I didn't break anything
[02:12] <bluesabre> :)
[02:13] <ochosi> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'getoutput'
[02:13] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/1631591/
[02:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^
[02:13] <bluesabre> k
[02:13] <bluesabre> one sec
[02:14] <ochosi> no rush
[02:14] <ochosi> better take a few mins more...
[02:15] <bluesabre> yeah, fixing it for python2/3 compatability
[02:16] <ochosi> right
[02:16] <ochosi> but this app is *only* meant to be used in xubuntu trusty
[02:16] <ochosi> we should find a better solution for T+1 anyway
[02:17] <bluesabre> yeah, but good coding standards are a must :)
[02:17] <ochosi> then you have to rewrite this, i guess
[02:17] <ochosi> which was not the point
[02:21] <bluesabre> not a rewrite, just a fix
[02:21] <bluesabre> autopep8 fixed a lot of stuff for me
[02:21] <bluesabre> ninja-ide points out problem parts of the code
[02:26] <ochosi> no idea what all of that means :)
[02:27] <Unit193> Script+program.
[02:30] <ochosi> we really need testing especially for the dpms part that i added today
[02:30] <ochosi> i suppose it works with most "recent" hardware (post-2000 stuff)
[02:31] <ochosi> but i couldn't find a good assessment of the general situation
[02:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: anyway, guess i gotta get some sleep now
[02:41] <bluesabre> k
[02:41] <bluesabre> can you stick around for 2ish minutes?
[02:42] <ochosi> okay
[02:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: try now
[02:43] <ochosi> hm, we should probably switch from standby to suspend, after reading this: >http://webpages.charter.net/dperr/dpms.htm
[02:46] <bluesabre> ochosi: does the latest revision work for you?
[02:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: looks ok
[02:47] <bluesabre> good
[02:47] <ochosi> btw, if you really want to apply all settings immediately, you have to remove all the code for the infobar too
[02:47] <ochosi> cause that's pretty superfluous then
[02:47] <ochosi> and adjust the code for setting the apply-button sensitive
[02:47] <bluesabre> but yeah, some packagers will complain if the code is not pep8 and all that
[02:48] <ochosi> mhm, thanks!
[02:48] <bluesabre> I'll set up the python builder tonight, so that when you release its easy to debianize
[02:49] <ochosi> frankly, if you wanna do the release, feel free to
[02:49] <ochosi> i think that it's no problem for neither lderan nor me
[02:49] <ochosi> the core functionality is there
[02:49] <ochosi> and priority is to get it into T
[02:50] <ochosi> we can work towards improving it with bugfixes
[02:50] <ochosi> or even FFe
[02:50] <bluesabre> ok
[02:50] <bluesabre> I'll see if I get that far tonight
[02:50] <ochosi> but having *someting* is what is important
[02:50] <bluesabre> right
[02:50] <ochosi> yeah, if not, let's aim for tomorrow
[02:50] <bluesabre> alrighty, dinner time
[02:50] <ochosi> ok, gotta get some rest now
[02:50] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi
[02:51] <ochosi> bon appetit
[02:51] <ochosi> and seeya bluesabre 
[02:51] <ochosi> thanks a lot for your help on this!
[02:53] <ochosi> last thing i wanted to mention
[02:53] <ochosi> no idea what the desktop-file stuff does, so i haven't pushed anything for that yet
[02:53] <ochosi> night everyone!
[05:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: I've added a configure script, make file, and rearranged a bit
[05:06] <bluesabre> also added native debian packaging
[05:07] <bluesabre> find an interested party to add a new package to the repos, and also update the seed once more
[05:07] <bluesabre> I'll take care of the release in the morning
[05:07] <bluesabre> lderan: let me know if all the above is good for you as well
[05:10] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, Unit193, ali1234: any concerns? https://code.launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/light-locker-settings/trunk
[05:10] <bluesabre> heading to bed, back tomorrow, night folks!
[05:34] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, You need a longer license in d/copyright if possible, you'll need a wnpp bug and -1 in the release eventually, no chance of a python3 port?
[05:37] <Unit193> (Read further back, it's just for Trusty.)
[05:44] <Noskcaj> oh
[05:45] <Unit193> But d/copyright is still valid, so here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/ndgrlM3flUObEvK7q1Vl
[05:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: ^
[06:42] <sanchopanza> i just added my first merge request on launchpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox/xubuntu-docs/command-line-edits/+merge/206854 . any feedback is appreciated: tedmcox@gmail.com. thanks!
[08:03] <lderan> bluesabre, all good
[09:13] <ochosi> are there folks here who have experience with DPMS?
[09:14] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether we should use suspend or standby in the light-locker-settings, this page suggests suspend (cause it saves more power): http://webpages.charter.net/dperr/dpms.htm
[09:15] <ochosi> thanks for the poking, bluesabre 
[11:01] <bluesabre> ochosi, lderan: https://launchpad.net/light-locker-settings/1.0/1.0.0
[11:02] <bluesabre> I'll try to get the uploading part in order nexy
[11:02] <bluesabre> *next
[11:06] <ochosi> thanks a lot!
[11:06] <lderan> ooo awesome
[11:18] <bluesabre> ochosi, lderan: sound good? https://bugs.launchpad.net/light-locker-settings/+bug/1281536
[11:22] <slickymaster-job> knome: ping
[11:22] <bluesabre> ochosi: make me an admin of https://launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team so I can add PPAs
[11:22] <slickymaster-job> you around?
[11:26] <lderan> bluesabre, thank you very much for your help :)
[11:33] <bluesabre> lderan: thanks for putting together the GUI :D
[11:35] <bluesabre> ok, lightdm-gtk-greeter-1.8.1 has been uploaded to trusty
[11:35] <bluesabre> \o/
[11:39] <lderan> \o/
[11:40] <slickymaster-job> knome, pleia2 there's a typo in the http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/
[11:41] <slickymaster-job> at the end of the phrase of the "Try without installing!" box -> "... works with yout computer."
[11:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: yay!
[11:43] <ochosi> bluesabre, lderan: made both of you admins, hadn't noticed that before
[11:45] <ochosi> so mostly xubuntu-default-settings and xubuntu-artwork are missing now, right?
[11:45] <ochosi> and a few tweaks to seed
[11:47] <lderan> ochosi, thanks
[11:47] <lderan> bluesabre, ochosi is to thank for the GUI :P my original GUI was not as nice or functional
[11:49]  * ochosi bows
[11:49] <brainwash> ochosi: hi
[11:50] <ochosi> brainwash: what's up?
[11:50] <brainwash> question time
[11:50] <brainwash> :)
[11:51] <brainwash> did you read my question about the new xubuntu greeter.conf?
[11:52] <brainwash> greeter 1.8 changed some parameter descriptions and made show-language-selector obsolete
[11:52] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/greeter-conf
[11:55] <brainwash> maybe we could include the changes and make it easier for the user to change the new settings :)
[11:57] <ochosi> brainwash: do you even read my comments?
[11:57] <ochosi> 12:45  ochosi$ so mostly xubuntu-default-settings and xubuntu-artwork are missing now, right?
[11:57] <ochosi> also, if you find something that we have to do, you can either propose a merge-request or at least put it down somewhere so ppl will remember to do it when the time is ther
[12:00] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/+archive/stable
[12:00] <bluesabre> when the package builds there, I'll finish the needs-packaging bug report
[12:01] <bluesabre> its pretty funny, my wife complains about how many feature freezes there seem to be since we've been drilling down on releases lately :)
[12:25] <ochosi> bluesabre: great stuff, hehe, yeah, this feature freeze did see us at the heights of productivity
[12:39] <bluesabre> knome, want to join #ubuntu-moto and help to push for light-locker-settings?
[12:39] <bluesabre> micahg ^
[13:05] <brainwash_> knome: can you please mark bug 1193716 as wishlist, because it's a feature request
[13:06] <brainwash_> we can also drop it from the 14.04 blueprint, now that we ship light-locker + light-locker-settings
[13:31] <ochosi> brainwash_: just a suggestion, but you could try to join the bugsquad, then you'd be able to edit bugs
[13:32] <brainwash_> ochosi: I am a member of "Ubuntu BugSquad"
[13:33] <brainwash_> but that's only a sub group I think
[13:34] <ochosi> hm, strange, so you can't edit the bug?
[13:34] <brainwash_> I cannot triage them, or set the status to wishlist
[13:36] <brainwash_> or set the importance level
[13:40] <ochosi> me neither
[13:42] <brainwash_> that's https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol
[13:42] <brainwash_> maybe I should apply for membership
[14:17] <ali1234> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1y1eex/app_development_and_the_click_store_question/cfh2fs8
[14:23] <knome> brainwash, importance to wishlist you mean?
[14:25] <knome> actually no, we can't wishlist that bug... it's against xfce4-power-manager, and it still has that problem
[14:26] <ochosi> ali1234: oh wow, that's a bit unexpected
[14:30] <lderan> indeed
[14:30]  * ochosi wonders whether this is just a rumor
[14:43] <ali1234> it looks that way
[14:43] <ali1234> i'm investigating...
[15:36] <ochosi> jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: could one of you two create a 4.12-standalone version of the preferences page of the xfdesktop-docs?
[15:37] <ochosi> i think it's mostly copy-paste, but i have to attend other matters atm and can't do it myself
[15:37] <ochosi> i'd like to push things over to docs.xfce on the weekend
[15:37] <ochosi> beh, slickymaster ^
[15:58] <brainwash> knome: maybe you are right, but I understand it like this: the power manager was never able to alter the screensaver timeout, because an actual screensaver app like xscreensaver does it. adding this functionality -> feature request -> wishlist?
[16:01] <brainwash> I'll try to apply for ubuntu bug control, so I can do it myself one day :)
[16:07] <ochosi> knome: you around?
[16:14] <ochosi> fwiw, i have a xfce-docs proposal (regarding xfdesktop, but theoretically also other components). so docs-ppl tell me when you're around
[16:15] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: at your service
[16:16] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: i think you didn't get a few previous lines, let me pastebin them for you...
[16:16] <slickymaster-job> ok
[16:16] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/1634127/
[16:17] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: is it to be done in bluesabre's wiki?
[16:18] <ochosi> yup
[16:19] <slickymaster-job> I can start to work on it tomorrow, if there's no problems with that time frame
[16:19] <slickymaster-job> the idea is to create it under the existing namespace, right?
[16:22] <ochosi> yeah, in the staging wiki you can simply edit the existing page
[16:22] <ochosi> i'll then push it over to docs.xfce.org/*/xfdesktop/4.12/
[16:23] <slickymaster-job> okie dokie, let me just finish what I'm doing presently and I'll start it tomorrow
[16:23] <ochosi> sure, absolutely!
[16:23] <ochosi> thanks a lot
[16:23] <slickymaster-job> np 
[16:24] <ochosi> just ping me whenever you feel it's ready
[16:24] <slickymaster-job> will do ochosi 
[16:26] <ochosi> ty
[16:41] <ochosi> xnox: i presume you're really busy as FF is approaching, but if you happen to have a minute... https://bugs.launchpad.net/light-locker-settings/+bug/1281536
[16:44] <knome> ochosi, am now
[16:45] <slickymaster-job> hey knome 
[16:45] <ochosi> knome: cool
[16:45] <knome> for a bit at least..
[16:45] <ochosi> so i have a suggestion how we can make use of upstream xfce's versioned docs
[16:45] <knome> okay
[16:45] <ochosi> currently, when you hit "help" in xfdesktop, you get to the 4.10 namespace
[16:46] <ochosi> that's the DESKTOP_VERSION string that gets sent automatically
[16:46] <slickymaster-job> knome: did you get to see what I pinged you about early this morning?
[16:46] <knome> slickymaster-job, probably did...
[16:46] <ochosi> since there is no specific 4.10 namespace currently, you'll fall back to the generic docs-page for xfdesktop
[16:46] <slickymaster-job> knome: there's a typo in the http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-marketing-with-startubuntu-flyer/
[16:46] <ochosi> so, what we can do is change the desktop-version-string in libxfce4util from 4.10 to 4.11
[16:47] <knome> is the typo in the flyer or the article
[16:47] <slickymaster-job> at the end of the firdt setence of the "Try without installing!" box -> "... works with yout computer."
[16:47] <knome> ochosi, okay.... and? :)
[16:47] <ochosi> since it's not wrong that we're shipping 4.11
[16:47] <slickymaster-job> in the flyer
[16:47] <knome> slickymaster-job, okay, noted
[16:47] <knome> pleia2, ping
[16:47] <ochosi> then i set up a 4.11 docs-page on docs.xfce.org and we're set
[16:47] <knome> pleia2, please get that fixed ;)
[16:47] <knome> ochosi, heh, okay
[16:47] <slickymaster-job> when you finish with ochosi I have a question for you knome 
[16:47] <ochosi> we can then also update the xfwm4-docs upstream and our users will get to the correct docs
[16:47] <knome> slickymaster-job, just go ahead, i'm able to multitask
[16:48] <ochosi> and all other apps will fall back to the 4.10 docs anyway
[16:48] <ochosi> so there's no drawbck
[16:48] <knome> ochosi, sounds fair
[16:48] <ochosi> already talked to eric_the_idiot about it and he's fine with going ahead like this
[16:48] <knome> yep
[16:48] <knome> i'm not opposed to that change
[16:48] <ochosi> so if you agree, i'll push the xfdesktop docs to 4.11 and then we only need to patch libxfce4util
[16:48] <ochosi> it's actually bugfix
[16:48] <slickymaster-job> ok, thing is that the translated text of the ubuntu and xubuntu boxes of the flyer are larger than the admissible size of said boxes 
[16:49] <knome> slickymaster-job, are you sure you are using open sans?
[16:49] <slickymaster-job> absolutely, and respecting the font sizes accordingly  
[16:49] <knome> right
[16:49] <knome> i can look at it if you want to send me the svg
[16:49] <knome> and try to accommodate the layout for the larger stuff
[16:50] <slickymaster-job> I lost your email :P
[16:50] <knome> pasi@shimmerproject.org
[16:50] <knome> knome@ubuntu.com works as well if you forget again
[16:50] <slickymaster-job> i a minute
[16:51] <slickymaster-job> :)
[16:51] <ochosi> knome: ok, i'll set you as a reviewer once i've got the patch for libxfce4ui in a MR
[16:51] <knome> ochosi, cheers
[16:52]  * ochosi just feels it would be a terrible waste if users wouldn't get to see jjfrv8 and slickymaster-job's awesome xfdesktop docs
[16:52] <knome> yep, agree
[16:55] <slickymaster-job> knome: sent
[16:57] <knome> slickymaster-job, wondering if the US letter size is a regular paper size in portugal? there was a A4-size as well...
[16:58] <slickymaster-job> hmmm I downloaded the source file
[16:58] <slickymaster-job> http://spreadubuntu.org/files/source/flyer_xp-to-xubuntu_A4.svg
[16:59] <slickymaster-job> I supposed it was A4
[16:59] <knome> well the file you sent me is _USletter
[16:59] <slickymaster-job> that's odd
[16:59] <knome> and the size looks like A4
[16:59] <knome> err,
[16:59] <knome> US letter
[16:59] <knome> of course!
[17:00] <knome> A4 would be taller but narrower
[17:01] <slickymaster-job> I'll download  it again and see if the problem subsists 
[17:01] <slickymaster-job> I'll ping if needed knome 
[17:01] <slickymaster-job> tnaks anyway
[17:01] <slickymaster-job> thanks ^^
[17:02] <knome> sent back to you and pleia2 
[17:02] <knome> (fixed version)
[17:02] <slickymaster-job> you forgot the attachment knome 
[17:02] <knome> hah
[17:03] <knome> of course!
[17:03] <knome> hmm
[17:03] <knome> where did i save it
[17:03] <knome> there
[17:03] <knome> in /tmp :P
[17:04] <slickymaster-job> but it isn't preferable to redo it in the correct paper size knome?
[17:04] <knome> slickymaster-job, sure, but if somebody wanted it in US letter...
[17:04] <knome> (and since that's done, why waste the work)
[17:04] <slickymaster-job> ok, I'll get it done right away
[17:05] <slickymaster-job> well, when you're right... you're right ;)
[17:05] <knome> lol
[17:06] <knome> Unit193, what's the required list of packages to be able to build xubuntu-docs again? see: ML
[17:28] <pleia2> slave driver
[17:30] <slickymaster-job> knome: the same issue happens also with the A4 size
[17:33] <slickymaster-job> do you want me to email it to you so you can adjust it. Check also the "Try without Installing" and "Ready to Install" boxes because due to the size of the translated text it seems that they might be overlapping 
[17:34] <pleia2> so where is the error on the marketing site?
[17:34] <slickymaster-job> it's in the flyer pleia2 
[17:35] <pleia2> ah ok
[17:35] <slickymaster-job> pleia2: at the end of the firdt setence of the "Try without installing!" box -> "... works with yout computer."
[17:35] <pleia2> I see
[17:36] <slickymaster-job> pleia2: I saw the existent portuguese translation of the flyer and it has a few spelling mistakes
[17:37] <slickymaster-job> seems like a Google translator job :p
[17:37] <pleia2> hah, good to know
[17:38] <slickymaster-job> I've got it already translated but there's a small issue with the boxes sizes that I want knome to fix
[17:38]  * pleia2 nods
[17:39] <slickymaster-job> the reason being that the translated text is bigger then the available boxes sixes
[17:40]  * slickymaster-job is starting to believe that Portuguese is a very verbose language
[17:44] <GridCube> or the translator is 
[17:45] <elfy> >.>
[17:45] <slickymaster-job> hmm rather not,
[17:45] <slickymaster-job> do you know Fernando Pessoa, GridCube?
[17:45] <GridCube> no
[17:50] <knome> slickymaster-job, sure, just send it to me
[17:53] <slickymaster-job> knome: sent
[18:01] <slickymaster-job> thanks knome 
[18:01] <knome> np
[18:03] <slickymaster-job> pleia2: later on, after dinner, I'll upload the svg, pdf and png formats of the translated flyer to http://spreadubuntu.org/
[18:03] <pleia2> slickymaster-job: yay :)
[18:09] <slickymaster-job> knome: is there, in inkscape a tool similar to 'export as' in gimp?
[18:11] <slickymaster-job> knome: nevermind, there's the 'Save as...' option
[18:28] <ochosi> light-locker-settings PPA for those who want to test it: https://launchpad.net/~light-locker-settings-team/+archive/stable
[18:28] <ochosi> (trusty only, and it only makes sense if you have already removed xscreensaver and are using light-locker)
[18:30] <elfy> it says "Can you really really trust lderan" :)
[18:32] <lderan> "why yes, yes you can"
[18:32] <elfy> ok
[18:33] <lderan> :P
[18:33] <lderan> *no, run for your lives!
[18:44] <elfy> checking in vm now
[18:45]  * ochosi hopes that blanking works in a vm
[18:46] <elfy> lol
[18:46] <ochosi> elfy: in case you don't want to wait for 1 minute, just try "xset s 10"
[18:46] <elfy> doesn't appear to - I'll try it in the other hardware install later
[18:47] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/294295 restart warning is not very easy to read
[18:47] <elfy> bbl
[18:49] <ochosi> strange, shouldn't look like that
[18:49] <ochosi> maybe too old version of greybird/shimmer-themes
[18:51] <elfy> possibly
[18:52] <ochosi> elfy: funny thing is, often ppl have reported bugs about the opposite problem (not being able to prevent the screen from blanking, because they didn't know how to set it)
[18:54] <brainwash> oh, that screenshot (the desktop icons to be exactly) reminds me, that we should get a new point release of xfdesktop asap :)
[18:54] <ochosi> there won't be one before FF
[18:54] <ochosi> and it doesn't matter, as there are only bugfixes
[18:54] <brainwash> sadly
[18:55] <ochosi> also, greybird already tackles that
[18:55] <brainwash> yes, it does change the grid layout
[18:58] <brainwash> would be great to get a new version of xfdesktop for b1 to test all the recent fixes (many things have been fixed)
[19:02] <Unit193> knome: docbook-xml, docbook-xsl, xsltproc, gnome-doc-utils
[19:13] <elfy> ochosi: updated vm to current - same issue, shimmer-themes is 1.7.0-0ubuntu1
[19:14] <ochosi> elfy: unthemed infobar?
[19:14] <ochosi> or some other issue
[19:14] <ochosi> this is what it's supposed to look like: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-18-201430.php
[19:15] <elfy> no idea - that vm is a standard and updated install
[19:15] <ochosi> :/
[19:24] <elfy> ochosi: ok - it looks fine in the other install
[19:24] <lderan> weirdness
[19:24] <elfy> that sums up 'this' install ... 
[19:25] <ochosi> semi-good to hear though
[19:26] <elfy> ochosi: this one has had so much done to it I'm not surprised tbh, not so sure about the vm
[19:37] <ochosi> Noskcaj: any progress on gmusicbrowser1.1.12?
[19:37] <Unit193> It's in the queue.
[19:38] <ochosi> oh cool
[19:38] <ochosi> i hadn't noticed
[19:38] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/gmusicbrowser/1.1.12/+merge/206589
[19:38] <Noskcaj> in merge queue + in debian waiting for sponsor
[19:42] <ochosi> nice, thanks Noskcaj 
[19:42] <ochosi> bbl
[20:48] <pleia2> slickymaster: spreadubuntu has slots for portugal and brazilian portugese, which is yours?
[20:49] <Unit193> pt_PT IIRC.
[20:49] <pleia2> I would assume so :)
[20:49] <pleia2> I'll upload it as that and if I need to correct I will
[20:56] <pleia2> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/node/983 & http://spreadubuntu.org/en/node/984 are up
[22:33] <slickymaster> pleia2, Unit193 is right. Mine is pt_PT
[22:34] <slickymaster> I'll upload the files in minutes
[22:40] <slickymaster> pleia2: you around?
[22:40] <knome> slickymaster, they are uploaded :P
[22:40] <slickymaster> I'm getting a 404 error at http://spreadubuntu.org/en/content/node/add/material
[22:40] <slickymaster> the pdf and png also knome ?
[22:41] <knome> yep, i exported them for pleia2 and they should be up
[22:42] <slickymaster> hmm thanks knome 
[22:42]  * slickymaster thinks that knome is just buying time so slickymaster work on the ubiquity slidshow
[22:43] <knome> we haven't been slacking off here while you were away anoying 'pane et circenses'
[22:43] <knome> s/anoying/enjoying/
[22:43] <knome> and panem
[22:43] <slickymaster> whatie?
[22:44] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
[22:44] <slickymaster> I know the expression
[22:44] <knome> lol
[22:44] <slickymaster> I just don't get the why
[22:44] <knome> i was just joking :)
[22:45] <slickymaster> right
[22:45] <knome> i was referring to us working hard when you were away ;)
[22:45] <slickymaster> :) lol had to pick up my kid
[22:45] <knome> well sure
[22:51]  * ochosi will try to do at least one xubuntu-default-settings merge-request
[22:51] <ochosi> tonight
[22:52] <pleia2> slickymaster: they're up! added the links to http://xubuntu.org/marketingresources/
[22:53] <slickymaster> pleia2, thanks 
[22:53] <slickymaster> knome: already told me that he took care of everything
[22:54] <slickymaster> pleia2: just FWIW I getting a 404 error at http://spreadubuntu.org/en/content/node/add/material
[22:54] <slickymaster> was ^^
[22:55] <pleia2> slickymaster: are you logged in?
[22:55] <slickymaster> yes
[22:55] <pleia2> hm, where did you click to get there?
[22:55] <pleia2> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/node/add/material is the "share" link
[22:56] <slickymaster> the "Contribute" link in the home page
[22:56] <slickymaster> well, it's up now
[22:57] <pleia2> doh :)
[22:57] <slickymaster> but it's not necessary to upload as knome alredy done it
[22:58] <knome> nah, pleia2 did it!
[22:58] <pleia2> knome made all the exported files though
[22:58] <slickymaster> kudos for both of you ;)
[23:02] <pleia2> and romanian! http://spreadubuntu.org/ro/material/poster/flyer-xpto-xubunturomanian
[23:05] <knome> pleia2, how's the original flyer doing?
[23:05] <slickymaster> btw pleia2, over at http://spreadubuntu.org/pt/material/poster/portuguese-startubuntu-xubuntu-flyer-a4 the poruguese flag icon isn't being displayed after the language
[23:06] <pleia2> slickymaster: can you submit a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/spreadubuntu
[23:06] <slickymaster> ok, will do
[23:06] <knome> slickymaster, flags aren't good symbols for languages anyway :P
[23:07] <pleia2> knome: my desktop is in the middle of a reinstall (new drives, moved to raid1, woo) so I won't get all set up for a while
[23:07] <pleia2> no inkscape + fonts + etc
[23:07] <knome> pleia2, ah, that's fine
[23:07] <knome> i thought something along the lines of "i quit"
[23:07] <pleia2> if you can fix, I can upload changes, but
[23:07] <pleia2> lol
[23:07] <knome> pleia2, but i was meaning, the main startubuntu xp to * flyer
[23:08] <pleia2> oh, I thought you meant the typo
[23:08] <pleia2> original flyer is ignored
[23:08] <pleia2> hehe
[23:09] <pleia2> ours got all the sharing and translations, so I think it became the default
[23:09] <knome> heh
[23:10] <knome> so, a marketing project failed worse than we did?
[23:11] <pleia2> I think it's just that mostly the team is made up of ubuntu people and not mint people so everyone prefered to share the all *ubuntu one :)
[23:11] <pleia2> plus, who doesn't love xubuntu?
[23:11] <knome> yeah... but weird thinking to include mint in the main one anyway then
[23:11] <pleia2> yeah
[23:12] <pleia2> they wanted to offer an alternative that had a more "classic" feel than unity
[23:12] <pleia2> so, mate
[23:13] <knome> mmh...
[23:28] <ochosi> anyone around with a xubuntu vbox that hasnt been messed with much?
[23:28] <ochosi> (i just want to know a default setting)
[23:29] <Unit193> Well?
[23:29] <ochosi> xfce4-power-manager/show-tray-icon
[23:30] <ali1234> by default that key is not set at all
[23:30] <ochosi> right, how does it behave then?
[23:30] <ali1234> i dunno
[23:31] <ochosi> that's actually what i need to know
[23:31] <ochosi> just need to know whether we have to set it to "3" by default, so that the trayicon never shows
[23:31] <ali1234> i don't see the tray icon
[23:32] <ochosi> do you have a battery?
[23:32] <ali1234> no
[23:32] <knome> in vbox?
[23:32] <ochosi> then that doesn't help
[23:34] <ochosi> i'm afraid that the default behavior is to show the trayicon if there's a battery
[23:35] <knome> what's the problem with that?
[23:36] <ochosi> 2 battery icons in the panel?
[23:36] <ochosi> indicator-power + xfpm-trayicon
[23:36] <knome> ah
[23:37] <ochosi> ali1234: finally changes that have benefits for !gnome-shell as well: http://worldofgnome.org/app-menus-fallback-became-just-amazing/
[23:37] <ochosi> (although the title is a clear overstatement)
[23:37] <brainwash> ochosi: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/tree/settings/xfpm-settings.c#n1161
[23:37] <brainwash> SHOW_ICON_WHEN_BATTERY_PRESENT is default
[23:38] <ochosi> mhm, thought so
[23:38] <ochosi> ok, then i'll include that setting in my next -default-settings MR
[23:45] <slickymaster> pleia2: FIY bug 1281836
[23:45] <pleia2> thanks
[23:45] <slickymaster> np
[23:45] <pleia2> hopefully someone will look at it :) they've responded to a couple of ones I've submitted, so hopefully
[23:45] <pleia2> I would like to help them, but, you know, I'd do that in my free time?
[23:46] <slickymaster> yeah, let's keep our fingers crossed
[23:46] <knome> pleia2, no way, knome doesn't allow free time
[23:46] <pleia2> truth
[23:47] <slickymaster> of course, and time does feel like sand, splipping through our fingers
[23:47] <knome> i haven't *felt* that
[23:48] <slickymaster> bah, that's because you don'y go to the beach often enough ;)
[23:51] <slickymaster> knome: do you have any idea how we can agitate bug 1185396 ober at debian?
[23:52] <ochosi> does anyone here feel like testing the new default panel layout?
[23:52] <ochosi> (i mean the xml for it)
[23:52] <slickymaster> unable to it now ochosi. But tomorrow, yes I'll be able to
[23:53] <slickymaster> to do it ^^
[23:53] <ochosi> sure, no problem
[23:54] <brainwash> share it pls
[23:55] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/1635510/
[23:55] <ochosi> it should only contain the minimum list of settings
[23:55] <ochosi> and don't expect anything from whiskermenu there
[23:55] <ochosi> (cause that one uses an rc file to store the config)
[23:56] <brainwash> very minimal
[23:57] <ochosi> the question is whether it matches the spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu
[23:58] <ochosi> or whether it misses anything