[00:00] my email had a lot of the thoughts apachelogger had about it [00:00] oh no no [00:00] I meant what's the software called :) [00:02] ok, off to bed [00:02] night [00:02] gn [00:02] there is no software yet [00:02] from #debian-devel : Maulkin says jessie+1 is "zurg" (but might lie) << I'd totally run a "zurg" release [00:38] hello people [00:49] oh 4.12.2 in the backports! [00:50] Man, sometimes work sucks [00:50] manchicken: agreed [00:55] last thought on automation is of course xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1319/ [00:55] * ahoneybun wonders if he should format his / with a 14.04 iso or try a dist-upgrade [00:55] hey valorie [00:55] hi [00:55] upgrade worked on my other laptop [00:56] still on saucy on this one [00:56] sec, laundry [00:56] I finally took my notebook out of the house lol [01:17] Okay, I'll have apachelogger's changes to libqapt committed tonight. [01:17] It's the only chance I had today to do something useful. The rest of the day just feels wasted. [03:20] * genii sips [03:21] 14.04 Alpha2 install screen: "Welcome to Kubuntu 13.10!" [04:26] apachelogger: Got the patch now. Didn't do anything with it yet. Thanks. [04:44] new NM landed in trusty ? [04:46] soee: networkmanager? [04:46] ahoneybun: yes :) [04:46] i see the new interface, icon etc :) [04:47] I thought kde has it's own manager [04:49] ahoneybun: yesh im talking about new interface -> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=119742 [04:49] that is nice [04:50] I was just getting used to the new one (to me) [04:51] :) [04:57] soee: http://www.debian.org/ [04:58] sorry [04:58] http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/ [04:59] ah nice :) [05:00] +3 (responsive desing, overall appearance, affixed menu) [05:01] building with WP ? [05:01] yea [05:01] g2g [05:01] sleep [05:02] also it uses: [05:02] i think html5 should be used :) [05:02] to follow modern design and coding :) [05:03] [05:03] but this might have influance how site looks on older browsers (IE) [06:19] Good morning. === serverhamster is now known as alvin [08:35] Riddelll: QDBusConnection: error: could not send message to service "org.kubuntu.qaptworker2" path "Process /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper received signal 6" interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member "GetAll": Invalid object path: Process /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper received signal 6 [08:35] Riddelll: your dbus appears slightly broken [09:13] anyony replied to "Svetlana Gulotta" about cantor? I'm not sure what she's on about === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [09:20] shadeslayer: kde-workspace got built [09:24] Hrm, wheres agateau when I need him... [09:24] skiing in the alps [09:24] oh, well thats not really acceptable is it? :P :P [09:24] I think it's pretty acceptable to him :) [09:26] hehe, likely [09:31] shadeslayer: this system notification helper says hardware support is incomplete whenever I log in [09:32] apachelogger: do we need to package libkubuntu and notification helper for FF? [09:40] Riddell: yes, if you have time you could probably do libkubuntu already, that should be relatively complete [09:40] notification thingum is from my side feature complete, dunno about shadeslayer's [09:45] Riddell: oh yeah, about the notifications, note that they will only appear after around 3 minutes [09:46] shadeslayer: why is there a builddep on qapt now btw? [09:48] shadeslayer: and please move you dbus foo into your event directory [09:59] oh [09:59] Riddell: we'll have to wait with libkubuntu [10:00] I think I might need an additional constructor to get from qlocale to Kubuntu::Language [10:13] or perhaps we should nevermind qlocale and getenv instead, because qlocale is even dumber than posix locale and hides the variant completel [10:14] so ca_ES.UTF-8@valencia becomes ca_ES in qlocale [10:14] * apachelogger sighs a bit and draws some graphs [10:15] apachelogger: will it be ready in time for FF? [10:17] Riddell: yeah [10:17] though I am not sure we'll want to enhance libkubuntu for this anyway [10:18] or maybe, I am not sure yet [10:19] we'd basically need an inverse version of Language::systemLocale, i.e. deduce the original KDE language from a posix locale which in turn is a messy thing with lots of special handling, so perhaps it ought to be best to do a simple format conversion between the two code formats and then regex for best match or something [10:19] there is no 100% mapping anyway [10:37] http://i.imgur.com/ktw8U59.jpg [10:38] so IMO it would be best to have the kded check Language_Country@Variant > Language@Variant > Language_Country > Language for a match in that order [10:39] that should(tm) give the best appropximation of things [10:39] * apachelogger just needs to find a way to make that stuff not so expensive ^^ [10:57] there mgiht be problems with en_US fwiw [10:57] in a more general sense [10:57] since ubuntu considers en_US to be part of the en pack, if they have a documentation package for en that might not get installed when one only uses en_US [11:17] http://pastebin.com/ZC72hXtf [11:35] apachelogger: ack [11:35] Riddell: does "Never show again" not work? [11:36] apachelogger: qapt is required because I need to check if a package is already installed [11:42] sounds badly architectured to me [11:52] hi. could maybe someone have a look at bug #1233662 for 14.04? this should probably not go into an lts release ... (possibly needs packaging qt creator 3.x though) [11:52] bug 1233662 in qtcreator (Ubuntu) "Missing debug helpers in QtCreator/can't view STL containers in debugger" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233662 [12:04] either my kate is kaput or drivermanager_dbus is something of a strange thing [12:09] oohhhh [12:09] python is just weird [12:10] {'/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0': {'modalias': 'pci:v000010DEd00001185sv000010DEsd0000098Abc03sc00i00', 'vendor': 'NVIDIA Corporation', 'model': 'GK104 [GeForce GTX 660 OEM]', 'drivers': {'nvidia-304': {'free': False, 'from_distro': True, 'recommended': False}, 'nvidia-304-updates': {'free': False, 'from_distro': True, 'recommended': False}, 'xserver-xorg-video-nouveau': {'free': True, 'builtin': True, 'from_distro': True, [12:10] 'recommended': False}, 'nvidia-331': {'free': False, 'from_distro': True, 'recommended': True}, 'nvidia-331-updates': {'free': False, 'from_distro': True, 'recommended': False}}}} [12:11] shadeslayer: what I don't get is, if ubuntu-drivers already needs to query the apt cache for matching packages, why does it not simply check if those packages are installed and adds that information [12:11] seems very silly TBH [12:12] shadeslayer: it shouldn't show in the first place! [12:12] Riddell: yes, that is quite weird tbh [12:12] apachelogger: report a bug [12:13] like I have nothing better to do [12:13] nope [12:13] good stuff [12:15] Blizzz: alles gute [12:16] Riddell: thank you :) [12:27] Riddell: can you test KDE Workspace 4.12.6 on Precise? [12:27] Riddell: and no https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam-kwallet ? :( [12:28] Riddell: please paste `kreadconfig --group Locale --key Language` [12:29] guys I am running 14.04 for about 20 days and muon updater never pops up in systray to inform me about available updates [12:29] when I manually start it, it starts with this wierd screen: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/Y/ai/1SYwwV25/snapshot14.png [12:30] but I check for updates few times a day [12:30] should I report a bug? [12:30] snele: press ctrl + r ? [12:36] apachelogger: "or you simply use your existing python dbus daemon" < python dbus daemon has no root privilliges [12:38] shadeslayer: every time you start muon updater that screen pops up and then quickly goes away. It deasn't matter if you do a refresh [12:39] oh my [12:39] cannot be changed I guess [12:39] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6959718/ [12:40] that should now detect missing packages on all systems [12:41] package waiting for me at the post office with new shirts :) [12:43] nice [12:43] snele: what is the screen replaced with? [12:45] apachelogger: it shows available updates [12:45] what's the bug then? :P [12:46] apachelogger: the bug is that it never, not even ones for 20 days informed me about available updates in systray [12:46] apachelogger: I think snele is complaining that the automatic updater that checks for them (usually on boot) is not running [12:46] and I get updates few times a day (14.04) [12:47] hmm Die folgenden Pakete wurden automatisch installiert und werden nicht mehr benötigt: [12:47] dkms [12:47] is this wanted? [12:47] jussi: apachelogger: yes. It should pop up even if I do sudo apt-get update and if there are available updates [12:49] ah [12:49] snele: kdebugdialog -> activate everything [12:49] snele: kquitapp kded; sleep 2; kded4 --nofork &> log [12:50] wait like 10 minutes, then ctrl-c and send me the log [12:50] afterwards simply restart `kded4` via a terminal (it will fork and continue working as before) [12:50] ghostcube: possibly [12:51] that is: unless you have a dkms driver package installed, dkms itself will be useless [12:51] it is not part of the default installation [12:59] Hey all [13:13] shadeslayer: debian/copyright in your pam-kwallet still doesn't mention BSD [13:15] apachelogger: kreadconfig --group Locale --key Language is blank now [13:15] Riddell: ok, if you have time to try k-n-h it should now display a notification when kde-l10n-engb is missing [13:16] you might want to twiddle the timer in src/daemon/notificationhelpermodule.cpp's ctor to 3*1000 [13:16] otherwise you'll have to wait for 3 minutes [13:16] (might be that the dbus issue prevents package listhing alltogether though) [13:17] Riddell: on that note, does discover work for you? [13:19] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/pam-kwallet_0.0~git20140218-1.dsc [13:19] should be fixed now [13:19] apachelogger: hmm discover seems to get stuck on installing [13:20] dpkg-source: error: file ./pam-kwallet_0.0~git20140218.orig.tar.xz has size 6576 instead of expected 6056 [13:20] shadeslayer: ↑ [13:20] dpkg-source: error: file ./pam-kwallet_0.0~git20140218.orig.tar.xz has size 6576 instead of expected 6056 [13:20] 0.o [13:21] Riddell: now? [13:21] shadeslayer: same thin [13:21] shadeslayer: doing dget http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/upload/pam-kwallet_0.0~git20140218-1.dsc [13:21] :S [13:21] works here [13:21] Riddell: yeah, there is definitely something wrong with your dbus/qapt no clue what though, never seen the messages from the debug log before :S [13:22] apachelogger: qapt broke my dbus! [13:22] might take the excuse to reinstall and test some upgrade testing [13:23] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/ptuzj1rjt [13:23] ok rebooted new kernel version 3.13.0-10-generic x86_64 successfully ...breathes a sigh of relief....again :) [13:23] shadeslayer: bug 1282074 [13:24] bug 1282074 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent has timing issue" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282074 [13:24] apachelogger: fooey [13:24] explains Riddell's issue [13:24] what does? [13:27] shadeslayer: all over the code your asterixes are on the wrong side of the space btw [13:27] uf [13:27] blame KDevelop [13:28] apachelogger: both kcm and notifier? [13:28] dunno, I am looking at notifier [13:28] DriverEvent::DriverEvent(QObject* parent, QString name) [13:28] void DriverEvent::driverMapFinished(QDBusPendingCallWatcher* data) [13:28] think that's it [13:28] or not [13:28] QApt::Backend* m_aptBackend; [13:28] OrgKubuntuDriverManagerInterface* m_manager; [13:31] shadeslayer: your ctor could use some line breaks [13:32] fixed [13:34] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6959928/ [13:34] : Event(parent, name) [13:34] +, m_showNotification(false) [13:34] ^ those need indention btw [13:34] shadeslayer: that doesn't fix anything [13:34] you just turned a no-notification problem into a double-notification problem [13:35] bah [13:35] wait [13:35] module still calls show [13:35] so if the call chain arrives before init() is done you now call show() twice [13:35] shadeslayer: bug 1282080 [13:36] bug 1282080 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent doesn't update xapian cache" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282080 [13:36] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6959938/ [13:36] as for xapian cache, any recommendations? [13:37] shadeslayer: bug 1282082 [13:37] bug 1282082 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent wastes cpu time" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282082 [13:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6959944/ [13:38] hmm [13:38] shadeslayer: recommendtion: ::openXapianIndex :: xapianIndexNeedsUpdate ::updateXapianIndex ::xapianUpdateFinished [13:39] apachelogger: better http://paste.ubuntu.com/6959946/ [13:40] apachelogger: does QApt offer an interface to xapian? === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [13:41] shadeslayer: bug 1282085 [13:41] bug 1282085 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent needlessly queries apt cache" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282085 [13:43] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6959964/ [13:43] bug 1282087 [13:43] bug 1282087 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "doesn't update xapian" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282087 [13:43] /o\ [13:46] bug 1282090 [13:46] bug 1282090 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "DriverManager_DBus can terminate for no reason" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282090 [13:47] ^^ will fix tomorrow [13:47] bug 1282092 [13:48] bug 1282092 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "DriverManager_DBus has unused function" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282092 [13:49] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6959988/ [13:50] bug 1282095 [13:50] bug 1282095 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent makes incorrect assertations" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282095 [13:51] * shadeslayer will look at other things tomorrow [13:52] apachelogger: ah ok [14:03] apachelogger: after kquitapp kded; sleep 2; kded4 --nofork &> log [14:03] log should apppear in konsole or in some file? [14:03] in konsole I got nothing [14:04] sorry for noob questions ;) [14:07] Riddell: kconfigwidgets ready [14:08] Riddell: I forgot to commit one change from Harald's comments, I'll do that in about three hours when I hit my lunch break. [14:11] Riddell: I believe I have the ability to merge my changes into the master (right now they're on a branch), let me know if you have a preference either way. These changes are pretty small by comparison to the rest of the 2.1.1 changes. [14:12] manchicken: what's the other option? [14:13] snele: I think there will be a file whereever you ran that from called "log" [14:13] Riddell: I can keep it in the branch or I can merge to master. [14:17] shadeslayer: no, it is in a file [14:17] eh [14:17] snele: no, it is in a file [14:18] a file called 'log' ^^ [14:19] shadeslayer: bug 1282107 [14:19] bug 1282107 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu) "driverevent always displays notification on every login" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282107 [14:19] thx [14:19] apachelogger: "Never show again" doesn't work? [14:21] manchicken: merge is nicer I'd say [14:24] shadeslayer: icon comes up -> I click it because I wish to check my drivers -> kcm comes up -> I decide that I don't want a binary driver and close the kcm -> next login icon comes up -> I reinstall windows. [14:24] you come back to Kubuntu [14:24] because of all the nice notifications [14:25] It's the circle of life .... [14:25] actually I might open a bitcoin exchange [14:25] it's not like that hasn't happened before [14:25] Silk Road 3? [14:25] * apachelogger fixed ugly notification icons [14:25] hurray [14:26] apachelogger: are my previous fixes fine btw? [14:26] maybe [14:26] test them? [14:29] shadeslayer: bug 1280773 [14:29] bug 1280773 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "List of drivers gets repeated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1280773 [14:29] * apachelogger done, needs new brain now [14:29] kubotu: order brain [14:29] * kubotu shouts: OMG!!!!! RED ALERT! We lost a brain. Get me a medic, NOW! [14:29] * apachelogger faints [14:29] apachelogger: yeah know about that [14:29] I shall fixup everything tomorrow [14:29] not on the agendat today [14:29] *agenda even [14:41] shadeslayer: there's no agenda today from what I can tell [14:42] Riddell: I think libkubuntu should be done for now, I also found another special case that was never handled ... en_US would require gimp-help-en to be installed, however since we never represensted en_US in any form or fashion gimp-help-en would not have gotten installed automagically [14:42] will upload in a bit [14:42] (en_US now maps to package code 'en' for both our kde packaging and general ubuntu packaging) [14:53] morning [14:59] thanks apachelogger, I'll package that up [15:28] mmm why installing kde-full plasma-scriptengine-ruby was not installed ? [15:30] Ridell: kconfigwidgets & kservice ready [15:30] Riddell ^ === soee_ is now known as soee [15:48] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pp0nt5fea [15:48] it runned about 30 min [15:59] :) now i have understood how to change microphone on the fly with pulse and kde [15:59] finally. [16:13] QDBusObjectPath: invalid path "/modules/muon-notifier" [16:13] kded(5672): The kded module name ' "muon-notifier" ' is invalid! [16:13] kded(5672)/kded4 Kded::loadModule: Successfully loaded module "muon-notifier" [16:13] funsies [16:14] snele: technically you should probably get a notification [16:14] log gives no indication as to why you don't [16:15] Riddell http://paste.ubuntu.com/6960596/ [16:16] nevermind figured it out [16:20] Riddell: kdbusaddons updated [16:33] apachelogger: ping [16:34] shadeslayer: pong === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [16:36] apachelogger: do you know off the top of your head how to make kdeconnect not show in the menu but show up in Muon Discover? [16:38] as I said when you showed me the commit, it will either need Hidden or NoDisplay [16:39] preferrably former, however I am not sure app-install will extract it then [16:40] Riddell, apachelogger, I am in the process of submitting the final diffs for the error handling changes for the qapt 2.1.1 version. [16:42] Okay, that's done, I also updated the review with those diffs. [16:43] Ack, nevermind [16:44] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/pplt3lgqx [16:44] apachelogger: both Hidden and NoDisplay seem to be picked up? [16:44] Will trusty ship with 4.13? [16:44] yes [16:45] shadeslayer: to what comment/question does the yes refer to? [16:45] apachelogger: it's Hidden=True, documented in the read me [16:46] ug, sorry folks I'm feeling really ill this afternoon, may be taking it easy [16:47] Riddell: *hugs* [16:47] Riddell: no problem I can return tomorrow, if you could push kdbusaddons if possible, it is a show stopper ( hope you feel better [16:48] apachelogger, Riddell, okay, that is actually commited this time. Riddell, if you wanted to do anything with that, it is repo "git://anongit.kde.org/libqapt" branch "master2.1.1+error_translations" [16:48] Riddell: I hope you feel better :( === jussi changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Blue. | https://trello.com/kubuntu | Reports http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ === jussi changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Blue. | https://trello.com/kubuntu | Reports http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also) [17:14] valorie: ^^^^ [17:25] apachelogger: I'm wondering whether or not it's possible to change the permission on the KDE projects page so that I can create version branches. [17:25] I'd like to make a 2.1.1-rc branch [17:28] ohm, you should be able to do that [17:29] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/bq-meizu-ubuntu-smartphones-confirmed-for-2014-release [17:29] manchicken: but, #kde-sysadmin can make you project manager, then you have full branch control [17:29] manchicken: they'll likely want you to file a ticket though [17:30] I can file a ticket, I just don't want to step on JonT's toes. [17:30] It just seems like it'd be a good idea to be able to make version branches. [17:31] manchicken: I doubt JT will care :P [17:32] the only reason not everyone can fiddle with branches is so that one does not accidentially delete a production branch or something ^^ [17:33] I'm surprised that they don't have a "projects.kde.org" ticket group. [17:34] Ticket submitted. [17:35] I suppose I should also be able to put news up about the project if I'm updating it. [18:18] synaptiks gone [18:20] \o/ [18:47] jussi: any progress with the tablet? [18:49] shadeslayer: Ive barely looked at it, sorry. I have plans for this weekend... [18:49] cool [19:11] ScottK: but did you see the bug with the new touchpad kcm? it breaks touchpadenabler :( [19:13] Riddell: that can be fixed though [19:16] not to mention that synaptiks is unmaintained [19:17] Riddell: No. I hadn't. [19:17] shadeslayer: I guess it's on you to fix. [19:18] kde bug 331285 [19:18] KDE bug 331285 in daemon "Touchpad kded does not work well with Touchpadenabler from KDE Workspace" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331285 [19:20] Riddell: ping [19:21] Riddell: can you try out this patch to kubuntu-notification-helper http://paste.ubuntu.com/6961564/ [19:27] apachelogger: With debug enabled qapt: http://paste.debian.net/82945/ - Muon Updater's claiming chromium and all the qapt packages need to be added and that's a lie (I Ihad manually removed them) [19:33] Riddell: poke poke? [19:44] Riddell: qscintilla2 transition is done. [19:57] NM widget icon disappears from the panel when a vpn server is enabled [20:34] ScottK: awesome [20:34] shadeslayer: ouch [20:34] Riddell: ouch? :D [20:35] shadeslayer: I hurt, why the poking? [20:35] aha [20:35] Riddell: can you please test out kubuntu-notifications-helper from bzr [20:36] shadeslayer: this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/6961564/ is to stop it showing up when I log in? [20:36] Riddell: yes [20:36] Riddell: already pushed to bzr btw [20:36] better to push and revert than not to push at all [20:36] deep words [20:36] ;) [20:38] shadeslayer: yep I can log in now without getting an icon for hardware [20:38] \o/ [20:38] Riddell: are you sure you waited 3 minutes ? :P [20:38] because apachelogger increased the timeout to 3 minutes [20:39] oh no [20:39] * Riddell waits [20:41] shadeslayer: yay, get a language popup, not a hardware popup [20:41] * genii makes more coffee and passes the mugs around [20:42] the language one loads qapt which says waiting for authorisation which doesn't do anything but that seems to be a problem in my system [20:43] \o/ [20:43] Riddell: going to upload kdeconnect to my ppa soon [20:43] can you upload it? [20:44] shadeslayer: sure, what's new? [20:44] Riddell: mostly bug fixes is what the maintainer told me [20:45] new icon, now comes with translations [20:45] BTW. kudos to whoever was tweaking the plasma-nm recently. Works well and I like the new look. [20:45] new look? [20:45] shadeslayer: Seems to have different icons than before [20:46] ( at least when on the taskbar) [20:47] yep the new version of plasma-nm is looking nice [20:47] http://pastebin.com/vAR8ZL5n [21:00] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [21:17] shadeslayer: uploadeds [21:17] shadeslayer: did you check if ktp all got compiled? [21:27] Riddell: Feeling better? [22:10] shadeslayer: the decrease to 3 seconds was an unintended commit, I only decreased it for testing ;) [22:13] ScottK: just having had a glance, this might be a bit of a complicated issue as it basically says, if you want to upgrade chromium-codecs... you'll have to upgrade chromium-browser (which is a sane asseration as it were), will have to have a closer look to define a solution though [22:15] line 126 essentially says that you unmarked chromium-browser and line 174 that chromium-codec is still marked for upgrade [22:42] apachelogger: Are you doing any of the KDE stuff? Particularly any of the Qt5 porting stuff? [22:42] apachelogger: I'm trying to think of what the timeline for Qt5 porting might look like for qapt. [22:44] It kinda looks like KDE is wanting to do some of that stuff this year. [23:11] apachelogger: OK. I forgot that bit, but I also unmarked all of qpat and it still insisted onthat.