[10:37] <xnox> are .rle logos still used in the installer? (there are some mentions that debian moved on to using .png only)
[10:38] <cjwatson> I think they're still used as a fallback in some cases
[10:38] <cjwatson> e.g. if gfxboot fails
[10:41] <xnox> cjwatson: i see, is there a virtual machine way to trigger that? also i think i'm failing to create .rle from the new png at the moment.
[10:44] <cjwatson> I think you could rip the gfxboot config out of the syslinux config
[11:02] <xnox> looks like SPLASH_RLE was dropped in 2008 at revision 916. So we don't need one anymore (even though i got gimp to generate indexed 14-color images)
[15:38] <PCLinux> I have a PC loaded with Windows XP and I used the Ubuntu 12.04LTS windows installer to run ubuntu side-by-side with windows. I want to add another hard drive to my system so that linux will have its own drive. My question is...Can I use the windows installer to install ubuntu onto the other drive so that at the PC post screen it will ask me which drive to boot?
[15:40] <xnox> PCLinux: not really no, just boot the cd or usb stick of ubuntu and it will offer to install itself onto the second drive.
[15:40] <xnox> PCLinux: and at boot you will be able to choose which one to boot.
[15:41] <xnox> PCLinux: to migrate your settings, you will boot into your "old ubuntu windows installer" ubuntu mount the second hard-drive and copy across your /home directory into that second drive.
[15:43] <PCLinux> do you know if I can just install ubuntu onto that second drive without using WUBI? I would like to start using linux on a more frequent and eventually completely get away from microsoft.
[15:45] <PCLinux> The reason is because I have found wubi to be, not-so-good for long-term use.
[15:46] <xnox> PCLinux: yes, we support that. the installer will guide you to achieve exactly that by default.
[15:49] <PCLinux> Do you know if the installer will help me set-up the dual boot or will I need to access that one manually?
[15:49] <xnox> PCLinux: yes, it does do dual-boot.
[15:51] <PCLinux> xnox, You have been a huge help to me on this matter. Much appreciated.
[15:54] <PCLinux> I guess that mean, if I have any other questions, I can ask you for help???...
[15:58] <PCLinux> I have noticed that while in terminal, It kinda reminds me of the "old" DOS days. Brings back a lot of memories for me.
[16:01] <PCLinux> Well, Again thanks for the help on my problem. I have to shutdown for a while so that I can put in that second drive and then get Ubuntu installed on it.
[16:03] <PCLinux> When I get done, I will log back into here and let yall know how much fun I had doing this. Everyone have a great day and / or night depending on where you are.
[18:15] <darien> alright, I'm stumped at this point… is there any guide on how the new (14.04) installer works so that I can disable the GUI entirely and just run a preseed file?
[18:16] <darien> (apologies if that posted both before and after I disconnected)
[18:16] <antarus> certainly the preseed works fine with the netboot installer
[18:16] <antarus> I've never tried ot preseed a DVD
[18:21] <CarlFK> darien: if you want a netboot setup: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/nodes/pxe/README.txt
[18:22] <CarlFK> it Works For Me but also Needs Work.  which is why I am hoping some student takes this as a gsoc project: https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues/25
[18:23] <darien> I have a 10.04 preseed ISO which works great (though I need to trim extra packages from the install media since we're never installing OpenOffice on our cluster)
[18:25] <darien> all I really need to do is not boot the gui installer, I'll keep looking for docs for that I guess
[18:28] <CarlFK> darien: have you looked at the grub menu? (I haven't in ages, I am not even sure if the text based alternate installer was ever a boot option from the live cd
[18:29] <darien> I have, but it looks as though what it's booting from is the isolinux.cfg and not grub (I'm assuming Grub is for EFI boots, based on evidence/guesses)
[18:29] <darien> I'm getting to isolinux's menu, but I don't know which parameters to pass in to not boot the gui installer
[18:29] <darien> I guess it's time to unpack the initrd
[18:30] <CarlFK> sounds familiar for booting cds
[18:31] <cjwatson> darien: if you have the desktop CD, it only has the GUI installer available; you almost certainly want to use a netboot image instead
[18:31] <cjwatson> darien: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[18:32] <cjwatson> (netboot here means that it acquires most of everything from the network, but there are ISO images available as well, you don't have to PXE-boot it)
[18:32] <darien> but there are no netboot images for 14.04 :/
[18:33] <darien> I may have to push this project down the road for now
[18:33] <cjwatson> oh, there sure are, they just aren't linked there
[18:33] <cjwatson> server images still use the text installer (d-i), but we don't build the "alternate" images any more which were desktop software with d-i
[18:33] <cjwatson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[18:33] <cjwatson> or s/amd64/i386/
[18:34] <cjwatson> note that you'll have to make sure to keep those up to date while 14.04 is in development, as the kernels they'll want to acquire from the archive won't stick around
[18:37] <darien> hmm
[18:39] <darien> are these just builds of the most recent netboot installer (e.g. nightly builds)?
[18:41] <darien> wow, this really is mini
[18:43] <CarlFK> darien: I think it is just a kernel and rd which gets you a network connection to the repos which is what takes up all the space on media
[18:43] <cjwatson> right, it's just enough of the installer to acquire the rest of its brain from the network
[18:43] <cjwatson> not nightly as such but pretty frequent
[18:43] <darien> yeah, I've used these with Debian before