[00:02] <robru> cwayne, so "silo 6" means this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-006/
[00:02] <robru> cwayne, enable that ppa on your test devices, install it, test it as much as you can (autopilot? manual poking?)
[00:05] <cwayne> robru, hm, seems to have failed for powerpc, will that not allow it to publish for other arches?
[00:06] <robru> cwayne, nope... powerpc is largely ignored as far as I know
[00:09] <basketball> hey anyone on
[00:16] <basketball> hey anyone on
[00:45] <robru> cwayne, how's that testing going?
[00:50] <cwayne> robru, it seems to work well for me on flo
[00:51] <robru> cwayne, seems to? I was told this should be tested thoroughly because of this demo image for MWC ;-)
[00:53] <a_muva__> Is there a way to change browser's default home page URL?
[00:55] <cwayne> robru, well, it definitely does what it's supposed to :)
[00:55] <cwayne> it removes two unneeded buttons from click previews
[00:55] <cwayne> so in that sense, it definitely works :)
[00:57] <canurabus> hi all. does the ubuntu-touch sdk toolchain support c++11? can i write native applications in c++11 without any issues?
[00:57] <robru> cwayne, ok
[00:58] <RAOF> canurabus: Should be able to; we extensively use C++11 features in Mir. The compiler is gcc 4.8 IIRC.
[00:59] <RAOF> canurabus: I'm not entirely sure if we've got full support for native click apps (ie: the apps on the Touch's version of Software Center), though, so you *might* not be able to get the app distributed just yet.
[01:00] <robru> cwayne, ok, i published it. should hit distro soon
[01:08] <canurabus> RAOF i have a qt5 (qtquick) native app that uses c++11 that i was planning to port over. Are native applications not currently allowed?
[01:09] <RAOF> canurabus: I'm not sure, sorry.
[01:09] <xnox> canurabus: it should be all fine.
[01:09] <RAOF> canurabus: Hm, that said, I think the Authenticator app uses some native code, and that's in the store, so... maybe? :)
[01:09] <RAOF> Ah. Take the opinion of someone who knows :)
[01:09] <xnox> RAOF: qt5 itself requires c++11 at built time... ;-)
[01:10] <canurabus> c++11 is an optional dep for qt5
[01:10] <canurabus> but if you guys are building it with c++11 thats reassuring
[01:10] <xnox> canurabus: not how it's built for ubuntu-sdk.
[01:10] <RAOF> xnox: Oh, I know that our *toolchain* supports c++11; I didn't know if native click apps were working yet.
[01:11] <xnox> RAOF: we have armhf click apps, and no other =)
[01:11] <xnox> RAOF: one can't have an i386/amd64 click app yet.... (well you can, it's just not going to launch anything but armhf)
[01:11] <cwayne> robru, hey,, what's the easiest way to check when that package makes it into the archive?
[01:11] <canurabus> good to hear! im so sick of all the dev kits that use older compilers -- blackberry is still on gcc 4.6 with no c++11 stl and I think tizen only officially supports c++03 ... not sure which gcc version they use in their toolchain
[01:12] <xnox> cwayne: rmadison -S srcpackagename
[01:12] <robru> cwayne, I usually do 'watch -n 30 rmadison foo-package' and then it shows me
[01:12] <cwayne> ah
[01:12] <cwayne> thanks xnox robru
[01:13] <xnox> canurabus: in terms of compiler technology we are quite cutting edge. 4.8 is default across the board with latest stable patches + Linaro patches for armhf optimisations.
[01:13] <xnox> canurabus: and 4.9 is available as well.
[01:14] <xnox> canurabus: in part, that's what makes ubuntu fast and secure (our toolchain is hardened by default)
[01:51] <cwayne> robru, any idea how long it usually takes? looks like it's still in proposed
[02:37] <abcd123> hiiiiii
[02:38] <abcd123> i need help to flash android to ubuntu
[02:38] <abcd123> anybody can halp? plzzz
[02:41] <robru> cwayne, depends what kinds of tests it gets run through in -proposed. looks like it's released now. i'll merge & clean
[02:41] <cwayne> robru, thanks
[02:44] <robru> cwayne, anything else on your place this evening? I'm officially EOD but I i'll probably be around intermittently if you need anything
[02:45] <cwayne> robru, i think i've got everything, thanks!
[02:45] <robru> cwayne, great, good night ;-)
[07:07] <steve__> anyone have the ubuntu touch working on the motorola xoom?
[07:12] <popey> ok/64
[07:12] <popey> bah
[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:50] <Saviq> victorp, hey, I can't get anything out of the unity8 .crash file, would you have a few minutes to work with me on that?
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tug o' War Day! :-D
[10:23] <asac> mandel: hey
[10:23] <asac> mandel: can you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-mediascanner/+bug/1281706
[10:28] <asac> thostr_: ^^
[10:28] <asac> thostr_: who should own it?
[10:30] <thostr_> asac: reassigned
[10:31] <asac> thostr_: cool
[10:31] <asac> thostr_: how does jussis backlog look like?
[10:32] <thostr_> asac: nice :)
[10:35] <mandel> asac, he, I was going to say that I could, but is not my area :)
[10:38] <john-mcaleely> anyone know how to get a screenshot on mako? this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/272349/how-to-take-a-screenshot-on-ubuntu-touch isn't working for me on the current builds
[10:58] <popey> john-mcaleely: phablet-screenshot is in the phablet-tools
[11:02] <john-mcaleely> popey, seems not to be available for saucy?
[11:11] <popey> john-mcaleely: that au question has mirfbdump which also works, i use that daily
[11:13] <john-mcaleely> popey, turns out I'm probably broken because I'm using the currrent MWC image. It has a latest-and-greatest mir. which may have broken that
[11:13] <john-mcaleely> popey, mirfbdump captures a black rectangle
[11:14] <popey> odd
[11:14] <popey> wfm
[11:14] <john-mcaleely> popey, on the MWC image?
[11:14] <popey> oh
[11:14] <popey> not tried mwc image on n4
[11:14] <john-mcaleely> popey, it's definately special
[11:24] <mpt> I keep wanting to relabel “Charge level” in the Battery settings as “Current charge”, but then I think “Oh, current, har har”
[12:37] <ogra_> mpt, how about "Present charge"
[12:38] <xplt> Hi! I installed an emulator through button in the Qt Creator (and it says "<snip> ubuntu-emulator emulator package is installed"), however under the "Start selected emulator" button it says "<snip>./local/share/ubuntu-emulator: no such file or directory" and when I browse with a file manager I really don't see such file in my .local/share. What should I do?
[12:41] <xplt> Ah, silly me. Nevermind >_<
[12:43] <xplt> However, I think it such interface should be designed in a "wizard" style, because this message was so confusing and the "Start" button was useless at the point
[12:43] <ogra_> there is a lot of re-working going on with the emulator currently
[12:43] <xplt> Good :)
[12:43] <ogra_> this will be fixed for sure ... once we ship the breezing fast x86 emulator ;)
[13:00] <mpt> ogra_, sounds like an order to an infantry regiment
[13:00] <ogra_> haha
[13:04] <cwayne> oSoMoN, hiya, did that fix for 8tracks make it in yet?
[13:09] <cwayne> boiko, did that webbrowser-app MR ever make it through?
[13:09] <boiko> cwayne: not yet, but it will
[13:10] <cwayne> popey, hiya, what was your link to the store mirror again?
[13:10] <cwayne> im pretty sure it had moomoo in it or something
[13:10] <popey> cwayne: http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/
[13:10] <cwayne> thanks
[13:10] <popey> np
[13:10] <oSoMoN> cwayne, not yet
[13:21] <cwayne> boiko, thanks, this is a pretty big issue for MWC demos fyi :)
[13:22] <FuLgOrE_> I have a question regarding device specific configs. I need the config files in /usr/share/alsa/ucm from a manta-device. Where can I find it? I'm downloading 'trusty-preinstalled-touch-armel+manta.zip'. Is that file correct or should I download the boot.img or system.img?
[13:22] <ogra_> FuLgOrE_, the tarball
[13:23] <boiko> cwayne: yep, I will give it more priority
[13:23] <FuLgOrE_> ogra_: with tarball you mean a .tar file? some files "glued" together?
[13:24] <ogra_> look in the dir where you found the zip :)
[13:24] <ogra_> the ucm files are in the rootfs tarball ... nozt in the device zip
[13:25] <FuLgOrE_> that one: 'trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz'?
[13:26] <ogra_> right
[13:26] <FuLgOrE_> thx
[13:26] <FuLgOrE_> so I should find at least 2 configs (one for each supported nexus device) I guess
[13:27] <FuLgOrE_> ...if the tar isn't device specific
[13:28] <FuLgOrE_> 50kb/s :-/
[13:30] <ogra_> you could also just grab the alsa-lib source package i think
[13:34] <FuLgOrE_> should be faster. do you know where I can get it?
[13:34] <ogra_> apt-get source alsa-lib
[13:34] <FuLgOrE_> thx
[14:00] <FuLgOrE_> ogra_? You're using a nexus 4, right? Could you please check which sound card you use? 'cat /proc/asound/cards' I found a directory in the alsa-lib sources regarding UCM configs. there are only 5 inside and I want to see if one of them matches with the nexus 4. then I know that I'm right
[14:06] <FuLgOrE_> ogra_ forget it. there are some patches in another folder
[14:06] <FuLgOrE_> thx anyway
[14:26] <FuLgOrE_> ogra_ I have a good feeling that with one N10 patch from the alsa-lib and the two mixer_path.xml files (android source) from N10 and N5 we will have a chance to get a working config. at least I hope so ;-) I shared the information on xda because I will only have enough time on the weekend.
[14:27] <FuLgOrE_> furthermore my knowledge is very basic... so maybe somebody with better knowledge will have a look, too :D
[14:38] <daker> guys the hangout is in less than 15min, right ?
[15:12] <dholbach> rsalveti, Saviq: do you know who could review https://code.launchpad.net/~bregma/qtubuntu/lp-1274763/+merge/204137?
[15:13] <Saviq> dholbach, ricmm would be best
[15:13] <dholbach> thanks Saviq
[15:14] <cwayne> mterry, hello
[15:14] <mterry> cwayne, hi!
[15:16] <cwayne> mterry, hey, so the order in the .unity8-greeter-demo file seems to be ignored.. is there any way i can force the phablet user to be lsited first?
[15:34] <cwayne> mterry, hey, so the order in the .unity8-greeter-demo file seems to be ignored.. is there any way i can force the phablet user to be lsited first?
[15:34] <mterry> cwayne, it's alphabetical by real name
[15:34] <ogra_> sergiusens, what do you think about setting the scale value in the emulator dynamically ... i.e. check the resolution and if wwe exceed it bump to the right scale value
[15:35] <sergiusens> ogra_, talk to slangasek, he argued that the default should be 1:1 with good reasons
[15:35] <ogra_> well, it wont work on 1024x768 ...
[15:35] <cwayne> mterry, ah, ok thanks
[15:35] <cwayne> so i need to rename George Costanza then :)
[15:35] <sergiusens> ogra_, that's what I have
[15:36] <ogra_> and it fits in ?
[15:36] <sergiusens> ogra_, no, I scale
[15:36] <ogra_> didnt we set 720p by default ?
[15:36] <ogra_> ah
[15:36] <sergiusens> ogra_, no, the default WAS autoscale ;-)
[15:36] <ogra_> i dont see what the advantage of not scaling is when the thing doesnt even fit on the screen
[15:36] <popey> cwayne: choose random dictionary words, that _never_ goes wrong.
[15:37] <sergiusens> ogra_, we can choose to scale if it doesn't fit I suppose
[15:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, did that only scale when the screen didnt fit ?
[15:37] <cwayne> popey, lol
[15:37] <ogra_> right
[15:37] <sergiusens> ogra_, you don't need to convince me; convince design and steve
[15:38] <ogra_> heh
[15:52] <xnox> sergiusens: ogra_: slangasek's reasoning is that it should 1:1 by default, such that we can take screenshots and pass them around to design and back.
[15:52] <xnox> sergiusens: ogra_: thus it should never scale up. Scaling down to fit on the screen sounds reasonable.
[15:52] <ogra_> xnox, indeed, but if the screen is to small i think it should scale
[15:52] <ogra_> yeah
[15:52] <ogra_> it should never scale except in this case
[15:53] <xnox> ogra_: what was hapening for steve is that emulator would scale up to maximum vertical height of the screen which is not good.
[15:54] <ogra_> yeah, thats crap
[15:54] <ogra_> we need to actually check the running resolution, check if it fits and then scale down
[15:55] <sergiusens> xnox, ogra_ if that's the reasoning, I'll fix
[16:05] <nijo_> Hi all When will official ubuntu touch image for nexus 5 comes out???
[16:06] <ogra_> nijo_, official is not planned
[16:06] <ogra_> nijo_, there are experimantal ones thogh
[16:06] <ogra_> *experimental
[16:07] <ogra_> nijo_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2
[16:07] <nijo_> ok but will cannonical release official for nexus 5 in the near future???
[16:07] <ogra_> as i said, not planned
[16:08] <cwayne> dpm, hey, i see a MR called 'tablet' for reminders-app, is that good to go?
[16:08] <ogra_> nijo_, watch this in 40min http://insights.ubuntu.com/events/update-on-ubuntu-for-smartphones/ there will be announced what the near term plans are
[16:08] <dpm> cwayne, yes, I approved it about 30 mins ago, but I've not had a chance to check if it landed in trunk
[16:08] <nijo_> ok thanks i will give a look at it
[16:09] <nijo_> ok thanks orga_ i will give a look at it
[16:10] <nijo_> i guess it starts in 39 min
[16:11] <ogra_> yep
[16:11] <ogra_> there is an IRC channel for it too
[16:11] <FuLgOrE_> ogra_: regarding your link: is it possible to see something there which is actually "not planned"? are the information there still available tomorrow? it's midnight in china and I need some sleep... :-/
[16:12] <ogra_> FuLgOrE_, i think there will be a recording of it, yes
[16:14] <FuLgOrE_> what a pitty that it is so late (for me). nijo_ I saw on that site that you could ask your question regarding the N5 later on #ubuntu-on-air :D
[16:14] <nijo_> i cannot buy nexus4 since its out of stock
[16:15] <FuLgOrE_> I also have a N5 (with the experimental image of ubuntu touch) on it and I would really like a official port of UT :)
[16:15] <ogra_> doesnt amazon still sell it ?
[16:15] <nijo_> yeah i am planning on it
[16:15] <FuLgOrE_> nice :)
[16:16] <FuLgOrE_> nijo: we are not alone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594874&page=9
[16:16] <nijo_> good to hear that FuLgOrE
[16:17] <nijo_> hows that going on i mean  exp build in N5
[16:18] <FuLgOrE_> nijo_ what exactly do you mean? the N5 image (from rsalveti) is very nice. the only important thing which is missing is sound
[16:19] <FuLgOrE_> nijo_ it's working very smooth and fast, the modem works (internet and calls), messaging works
[16:19] <FuLgOrE_> bluetooth also don't works at the moment, but I don't care. sound is more important ;)
[16:19] <nijo_> you mean no sound at all even using headset???
[16:20] <ogra_> you will have to send an N5 to cyphermox_ to get BT to work :)
[16:20] <ogra_> he's the BT specialist around here
[16:20] <cyphermox_> FuLgOrE_: nijo_: sound if you do A2DP.
[16:21] <ogra_> cyphermox_, well, first drivers ;)
[16:21] <cyphermox_> but by default IIRC bluez goes to HSP.
[16:21] <cyphermox_> ogra_: moo?
[16:21] <ogra_> i dont think the low level stuff works on the nexus5 yet
[16:21] <cyphermox_> you mean the device doesn't bringup on the N5 at all?
[16:21] <cyphermox_> shocking ;)
[16:21] <ogra_> well, i havent looked, just an assumption
[16:21] <cyphermox_> you were saying it was the same as the Nexus 4 or something ;)
[16:23] <FuLgOrE_> cyphermox_ I don't understand anything you wrote. ;-) (sorry, my knowledge for such things is, lets say "very limited") ;-)
[16:23] <dpm> cwayne, so the reminders tablet layout has landed in trunk already, we're now looking into getting Jenkins to build the click package
[16:23] <cyphermox_> FuLgOrE_: it was meant for ogra anyway
[16:23] <cyphermox_> but in simple, the hardware is very similar to other devices, but usually just different enough to break anyway
[16:24] <balloons> ping renato
[16:24] <cyphermox_> I'm hours away from being done with the low-level flight mode support to handle the modem, so as soon as the meeting finally finish, I'll be able to complete that code, and then jump back on bluetooth
[16:24] <FuLgOrE_> cyphermox_: I tried to search for bluetooth devices and didn't see something. I didn't try more because I focus on the sound issue at the moment. buf if you would like to get any logs or something else, please just tell me :D
[16:24] <cyphermox_> FuLgOrE_: I don't need any logs tbh, I can tell you how to try to bring up the bluetooth device now
[16:25] <FuLgOrE_> oh okay :)
[16:25] <cwayne> dpm, great, can you send it over once you get it
[16:26] <cyphermox_> you'll want to take the "start on" and "stop on" lines in /etc/init/bluetooth-touch.conf and put them into copy of /etc/init/bluetooth-touch-mako.conf (that you can rename to whatever the codename for N5 is if you want), replacing whatever other start , stop, or manual lines there
[16:26] <sergiusens> xnox, btw, can you check the phablet MR you had? there are some comments there
[16:26] <dpm> cwayne, yes, the plan is to ping you as soon as every click package is generated
[16:26] <cyphermox_> FuLgOrE_: that should get you an upstart job that should mostly work
[16:27] <cwayne> dpm, awesome
[16:27] <xnox> sergiusens: right, yeah, let me address them today.
[16:27] <xnox> sergiusens: thanks for reminding me.
[16:28] <FuLgOrE_> cyphermox_ oh, that sounds great. because it's after midnight already, I will try that on one of the next days. If it works I can send it over the mailing list, if you like
[16:28] <cyphermox_> FuLgOrE_: basically, you'd get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6960665/
[16:28] <FuLgOrE_> cyphermox_ thank you
[16:30] <cyphermox_> FuLgOrE_: I'm not sure if it will work, but it's a good test, that just won't fix HSP still
[16:30] <cyphermox_> in other words, you can then get stereo music playing if you mess with pulseaudio a bit, but you won't get headset (mono sound and mic) to answer phone calls
[16:32] <FuLgOrE_> so the bluetooth function will be limited to stereo sound transmission? what does HSP mean?
[16:32] <cyphermox_> HSP is the abbreviation for HeadSet Profile
[16:32] <cyphermox_> so, mono and mic
[16:32] <FuLgOrE_> ah, I see
[16:33] <cyphermox_> it's very nicely broken on the N4 and Galaxy Nexus, the sound just loops between the mic and speakers
[16:33] <cyphermox_> something of the SCO transport just fails, I'm still tracking this down
[16:34] <FuLgOrE_> cyphermox_ thank you and good luck in fault finding!
[16:51] <pmcgowan> #join ubuntu-on-air
[16:51] <pmcgowan> #join
[16:52] <pmcgowan> oops
[16:52] <FuLgOrE_> try slash :D
[16:53] <FuLgOrE_> I cannot see any live stream from china :-(
[16:53] <nijo_> same here in india
[16:55] <FuLgOrE_> I connected via ssh -D to germany but the connection is a piece of crap
[16:57] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, kudos for reminding people :-)
[16:58] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, heh thanks
[17:06] <FuLgOrE_> I hate the chinese firewall. youtube is blocked. with ssh -D and proxy in firefox I can't get it working. if I use vpn I have problems to connect to irc...
[17:20] <renato> balloons, hi
[17:25] <balloons> renato: so we have been struck by this bug again I think; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1282129, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/fix-recurrence-id/+merge/204502
[17:27] <balloons> renato: I just wanted your opinion on what's going on.. We were trying to land some updates to clock and noticed this bug flaring up. Rolling back the package to the version without the bugfix you did for calendar let's things work again
[17:31] <renato> balloons, do you do a cleanup after each test?  Looks like the tests is leaving events on the db and it is causes the next test to fail
[17:32] <renato> I need a deep investigation to check what is causing this:
[17:32] <renato> file:///usr/share/calendar-app/EventBubble.qml:38: TypeError: Cannot call method 'toLocaleTimeString' of undefined
[17:32] <renato> file:///usr/share/calendar-app/TimeLineBase.qml:82: TypeError: Cannot call method 'getHours' of undefined
[17:36] <balloons> renato: clock is the more important bit atm, but yes it looks like both are affected
[17:36] <balloons> renato: each test should be a clean enviroment. Hanging processes can cause things to be weird, so we can't rule that out, but I don't think it's the issue here
[17:37] <renato> balloons, can you easily reproduce this?
[17:37] <renato> can you give a example to test?
[17:41] <balloons> renato: I'm trying to have a look now; sprinting so it's a bit hard. I *think* the apps aren't even launching on the device
[17:47] <dougl> anyone use a samsung tab 2?
[17:48] <JamesTait> Can anyone offer any insight as to why indicator-network wouldn't be visible in the latest image on mako?
[17:48] <JamesTait> It's actually been this way for a couple of images, but I've not really had the time to look into it.
[17:50] <ogra_> JamesTait, it is visible on mine
[17:51] <ogra_> (image 192 here)
[17:54] <krabador> ogra_, i told many times to wallsted, to do debug for the ofono devs
[17:54] <krabador> but he ever told me he don't
[17:54] <ogra_> ah, sad
[17:55] <ogra_> did he ever integrate my changes to make the loop mounted images work ?
[17:57] <JamesTait> ogra_, image 192 here too. :-/
[17:57] <JamesTait> ogra_, did you upgrade, or do a phablet-flash --wipe?
[18:01] <renato> balloons, the apps is working for me, probably this is related to some events that you have in your database
[18:01] <ogra_> JamesTait, i'm on the devel channel and upgrade every time a new image is promoted
[18:01] <renato> balloons, we need to figure out which event is that
[18:02] <Saviq> ogra_, we can drop click-update-manager from the seed, settings app took over
[18:02] <ogra_> Saviq, ok, will take care
[18:02] <Saviq> gatox, ↑
[18:02] <Saviq> ogra_, thanks
[18:03] <tony___> Does it supports galaxy aDoes it works on galaxy s3?
[18:04] <balloons> renato: how are the apps working for you? I imagine you are using very old versions
[18:04] <renato> balloons, just flashed the image today
[18:05] <JamesTait> ogra_, I suspected as much. :)  I wonder what's gone wrong here then.  Any suggestions as to what logs I should dig in?
[18:05] <renato> I have only one event in my calendar
[18:05] <cwayne> ogra_, btw i'll have a MP for you later on rootstock-touch to add in a deb
[18:05] <balloons> renato: right, but those builds are old
[18:05] <balloons> renato: I'm speaking about the apps in trunk
[18:05]  * ogra_ hugs cwayne ... you rock !
[18:05] <renato> balloons, how to update the apps?
[18:06] <balloons> renato: we'd have to push them to the store, which we were in process of doing, when we found this issue :-)
[18:06] <ogra_> JamesTait, /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/ should have some indicator logs i suppose
[18:06] <balloons> renato: I'm trying to build a click so you can see
[18:06] <renato> balloons, is that working on desktop?
[18:06] <Tassadar> stgraber: hi, I'm just looking through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/ServerSetup and system-image-server - does it generate the images itself, or does it require already built rootfs and device images?
[18:08] <balloons> renato: yes desktop seems fine; although fginther did say it didn't work for him on the desktop. I tried both the new and old version of qt5organizer-eds on my trusty install and the apps ran
[18:08] <ogra_> Tassadar, it tarnsforms a tarball and a set of img files
[18:09] <balloons> renato: you can pull trunk of clock for instance.. bzr branch lp:ubuntu-clock-app
[18:09] <balloons> run with qmlscene and try
[18:10] <Tassadar> hm, thanks. too bad I don't have a server powerful enough to build those
[18:11] <stgraber> Tassadar: system image only does the repacking and publishing, it doesn't build any of the input files itself
[18:12] <stgraber> Tassadar: for a port, you'll probably want to import the ubuntu rootfs from the public server (unchanged using the remote-system-image generator) and then import a locally built device tarball containing all the bits relevant to your port
[18:12] <Tassadar> oh, right, I didn't think of that
[18:12] <Tassadar> hmm
[18:13] <Tassadar> I'm gonna try to build the android bits on my VPS, it's probably gonna take ages though
[18:14] <Tassadar> if it even fits on 15gb hdd, heh
[18:14] <JamesTait> ogra_, I nuke ~phablet and recreated it, rebooted - I see indicator-network is running and creating a log file, but still not visible.
[18:14] <JamesTait> ogra_, nvm, I'll try and get time to look more into it later this evening.
[18:15] <ogra_> strange
[18:16] <ogra_> Tassadar, https://www.stgraber.org/2014/02/11/your-own-ubuntu-touch-image-server/  in case you didnt see it
[18:17] <Tassadar> no I did not, thanks
[18:17] <ogra_> :)
[18:18]  * Tassadar wonders if he should reinstall the VPS to Ubuntu or keep going with debian
[18:20] <ogra_> Saviq, dropped and uploaded
[18:20] <Saviq> ogra_, thanks!
[18:20] <ogra_> 8generating the meta always takes a while)
[18:20] <Saviq> gatox, ^
[18:21] <gatox> Saviq, aack
[18:22] <Saviq> ssweeny, collapsed-rows implemented
[18:34] <ssweeny> Saviq, as in, just recently?
[18:35] <ssweeny> Saviq, just saw the bug update. thanks!
[18:35] <Saviq> ssweeny, cheers
[19:29] <scriptiz> is there any summary of the news about the ubuntu-touch update discussion of earlier?
[20:30] <totossl> hello all, i've got a question. is ready ubuntu for htc one x? or should i wait? thanks.
[21:18] <AlanBell> does it take a long time for ubuntu-emulator to start up the first time you run it?
[21:20] <mhr3> nope
[21:20] <mhr3> it takes ages
[21:20] <mhr3> :)
[21:20] <mdeslaur> heh
[21:20] <AlanBell> what on earth is it doing?
[21:21] <AlanBell> 5 minutes at 100% CPU, occasionally getting a touch further in a boot process
[21:21] <AlanBell> emulator-arm < so it is doing a processor level emulation?
[21:21] <rsalveti> it's really slow
[21:22] <AlanBell> qemu style
[21:22] <mdeslaur> AlanBell: yes, it's emulating arm...the x86 emulator will be way better
[21:22] <rsalveti> AlanBell: you can try https://plus.google.com/+RicardoSalveti/posts/1u7HSYjF2He
[21:22] <rsalveti> that's fast :-)
[21:22] <AlanBell> would it be fast on actual hardware?
[21:23] <rsalveti> it's fast enough on n4, for example
[21:23] <AlanBell> I think I will let this emulator-arm boot up properly then try the x86 emulator
[21:24] <mdeslaur> AlanBell: subsequent boots should be better
[21:25] <rsalveti> yeah, just the first one that is really slow
[21:25] <AlanBell> ok, I will put the kettle on
[21:30] <AlanBell> hmm, now I have a login prompt in the terminal window for ubuntu-phablet, but nothing on the phone screen still
[21:31] <AlanBell> and I can log in
[21:32] <AlanBell> so that is a little ARM computer, with no X, unity-system-compositor is running but doesn't make stuff happen on the phone screen
[21:36] <nik90> cwayne: were you able to test the clock app tablet design on yourN10?
[21:43] <cwayne> nik90, doing it right now :)
[21:43] <nik90> cwayne: thnx..meanwhhile we are preparing for you :)
[21:46] <cwayne> dpm, sent some pictures for you, could you forward to nik90 as well
[21:47] <nik90> cwayne: good or bad news?
[21:48] <cwayne> nik90, it looks pretty good to me, but i'm not a designer :)
[21:48] <nik90> cwayne: the reason we wanted you to test is the vertical jump bug
[21:48] <nik90> cwayne: when you switched tabs, did you clock face jump vertically?
[21:48] <dpm> cwayne, when you switch tabs, does the clock face jump up and down?
[21:49] <nik90> cwayne: similar to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiqelgB-MqA
[21:49] <cwayne> i didnt see that, but let me try again
[21:50] <cwayne> ah, yeah it does just a little bit
[21:50] <cwayne> yeah, that's still there
[21:50] <nik90> cwayne: does it look as bad as in the video?
[21:51] <nik90> cwayne: or has it reduced a little bit?
[21:52] <cwayne> nik90, it's about the same as the video
[21:53] <nik90> :(
[21:54] <cwayne> nik90, but to be honest, i didn't even notice it til you mentioned it, so it's not that bad of a bug :)
[21:55] <nik90> cwayne: yeah..it is too hard to test without a device and lack of time..
[21:55] <cwayne> nik90, yeah, i can imagine
[21:55] <cwayne> i'm happy to help test though if you need
[21:56] <nik90> cwayne: I think it is good to go for the MWC..I will fix it post MWC...I am too exhausted atm
[21:56] <cwayne> nik90, i hear ya
[21:57] <nik90> cwayne: me and dpm are reviewing it atm...I guess dpm will send you the click in a few minutes hopefully
[21:57] <nik90> cwayne: thnx for testing
[21:57] <dpm> cwayne, indeed, weather also looks awesome on a N10!
[21:58] <cwayne> dpm, here let me try it on n7 now
[21:58] <dpm> cwayne, ok, cool. I'm not sure what it'll look like in there, I fear some overlapping of UbuntuShapes
[22:00] <AlanBell> ooh it conflicts with virtualbox
[22:01] <AlanBell> the x86 emulator does I think, it said KVM was busy, I closed a virtualbox VM that was kicking about and I now have a phone running
[22:02] <AlanBell> ok, so I have a phone GUI, some wibbly stuff going on and it wants me to swipe from the right edge, but that does nothing
[22:02] <AlanBell> any tips?
[22:02] <cwayne> dpm, oof, yeah
[22:02] <cwayne> not so great on n7 :/
[22:03] <AlanBell> oh, swipes start from inside the border, not outside
[22:03] <dpm> cwayne, I feared so. Can you send some pics too?
[22:03] <nik90> can I see the pics as well..might give me an idea of how the clock behaves under those circumstances
[22:04] <nik90> dpm, cwayne ^^
[22:04] <cwayne> dpm, already sent
[22:04] <dpm> nik90, will forward both to you
[22:04] <nik90> dpm: thnx..I need some pics for my blog post :P
[22:05] <dpm> nik90, will write one tomorrow about convergence too, so once you've written it, let me know the URL and I'll mention yours
[22:06] <nik90> dpm: definitely
[22:08] <cwayne> boiko, heya, any update on that webbrowser-app fix?
[22:09] <dpm> cwayne, I'm thinking of going with Weather as it is and demoing it only on a N10, but not on a N7, what do you think?
[22:12] <cwayne> dpm,that doesn't sound great
[22:13] <cwayne> dpm, lets talk it over in the meeting tomorrow i guess
[22:13] <nik90> cwayne, dpm: Are the other core apps such as clock and reminders app doing good on N7?
[22:13] <nik90> if yes, then it would be weird to not display weather alone
[22:14] <cwayne> let me try
[22:15] <cwayne> dpm, could we just alter the conditional layout so that it doesn't kick in til it's over X gu's
[22:15] <cwayne> and make that number higher than the n7 has
[22:16] <dpm> cwayne, happy to talk it over at the meeting tomorrow. That'd give us some time to do more testing on a N7 tomorrow morning, but is the deadline not today? And yes, we could do that and show it on the sidestage for the N7, I could actually do this right now
[22:16] <dpm> actually, that wouldn't load it in the sidestage
[22:17] <dpm> not sure how it would load it, but we can try
[22:18] <cwayne> we couldn't dynamically set sidestage, but it could be fullscreen and just the normal layout though
[22:19] <nik90> dpm: If I am vaguely remember, popey said that the clock app showed the normal layout on the N7...
[22:19] <nik90> dpm: and I used 80 gu units as the condition for tablet layout
[22:19] <dpm> cwayne, I can give that a go
[22:19] <nik90> may be that might help weather app as well
[22:19] <boiko> cwayne: CI train jenkins instance is down, but I'm confident I can get that merged tomorrow
[22:19] <cwayne> nik90, yeah, it's fullscreen but the old layout
[22:20] <cwayne> so maybe 80 gu is the magic number
[22:20] <nik90> cwayne: yay :)
[22:20] <cwayne> boiko, asac said it was back up
[22:20] <asac> yep
[22:20] <asac> gogogo
[22:20] <nik90> cwayne: florian mentioned that number on irc
[22:21] <boiko> cwayne: oh. nice to know that, I'll build and test that right now then
[22:21] <dpm> cwayne, nik90, it's already 80 gu on weather (80 is phone width), it needs to be wider than the N7 gu's, which I can find out
[22:26] <AlanBell> should the html5 api do anything in the emulator?
[22:29] <om26er> i start the system-settings app on the desktop and its shows nothing in it. HELP ?
[22:29] <om26er> Laney, ^
[22:30] <daker> AlanBell: what do mean exactly by HTML5 api ?
[22:30] <AlanBell> notifications, launcher stuff, any of it really
[22:31] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk should do a launcher icon and notifications for example
[22:32] <AlanBell> and some of the stuff on http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/javascript/web-docs/ should do something I would expect
[22:32] <AlanBell> I can't see any sign of Unity.init happening
[22:32] <daker> i see, maybe alex-abreu know
[22:33] <AlanBell> I haven't found the HUD yet either
[22:34] <AlanBell> I wonder if there is stuff I can't do with just a mouse that I could do with pinch on a touchscreen?
[22:35] <AlanBell> zooming in web pages is either titchy small overview with no zoom in, or you click a field and you are zoomed way in, with no way to get out again :/
[22:35] <daker> yes there is
[22:35] <daker> it's a new thing in chrome
[22:37] <daker> AlanBell: http://i.imgur.com/WPe0pOh.png
[22:37] <daker> then do Shift+mouse click/drag
[22:38] <AlanBell> ok, so nothing in the emulator to do it?
[22:38] <daker> no i don't think so :(
[22:43] <AlanBell> hmm, the emulator is webkit, bit chromium-like, but we don't actually have webapps support for chromium yet
[22:44] <AlanBell> so the touch platform hasn't really got much of a hope of HTML integration as it stands I think
[22:44]  * AlanBell is confused
[22:46] <daker> AlanBell: wait, what emulator are you talking about ?
[22:46] <AlanBell> the ubuntu touch emulator
[22:46] <AlanBell> x86 version as the arm one never started a GUI for me
[22:48] <daker> so it's qtwebkit(WebKit/537.21) it's like you are the same webkit in chromium _25_
[22:49] <daker> running*
[22:49] <AlanBell> OK, but the HTML web API for unity is Gecko only on the desktop
[22:49] <om26er> kenvandine, hey! i believe you worked a bit on the ubuntu-system-settings  ?
[22:50] <om26er> kenvandine, if i compile it on my desktop and start it, i only see the empty window and no plugins are shown, can you help me with that ?
[22:51] <daker> AlanBell: i am not sure about that
[22:51] <daker> AlanBell: the unity webapps integration is just a part of the HTML5 support
[22:51]  * AlanBell is very confused about this stuff
[22:52] <daker> AlanBell: let me explain
[22:52] <AlanBell> the reality and the marketing seem miles apart
[22:52] <daker> when they say HTML5 support they mean :
[22:53] <daker> - HTML5 UI widgets, CSS/JS components like the QML components
[22:55] <daker> - Give access to HTML (package)webapps to hardware(Vibration, Notifications, Camera, Content HUB, Online Accounts, etc...)
[22:55] <daker> using Cordova
[22:57] <daker> AlanBell: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pq1q-vl0t-mcy-hFhl_c5GK-R_aV75kKA6OCW_AjDcA/edit#slide=id.ge01f9beb_09
[22:59] <AlanBell> so that stuff is only available to html files running on localhost?
[23:00] <daker> yes
[23:00] <daker> but we need to ask for the Unity Shell Integration APIs if they will still work
[23:01] <AlanBell> hmm, not a whole heap of interesting stuff I can do with this then
[23:02] <daker> it's for devs who made packaged apps using HTML5/CSS instead of QML
[23:04] <jefinc> has anyone tried on the samsung galaxy rugby?