[00:04] <ochosi> brainwash: so?
[00:06] <brainwash> soon
[00:06] <brainwash> have to download the iso and test it
[00:06] <ochosi> ok, i thought you were already testing it
[00:07] <ochosi> or you backup your existing panel-config and the try this one?
[00:08] <ochosi> humm, already found a mistake in it
[00:08] <brainwash> give me sec, this system here runs without xfce
[00:09] <ochosi> corrected: http://dpaste.com/1635548/
[00:09] <ochosi> sure
[00:10] <brainwash> ah, panel count 1
[00:10] <ochosi> mhm
[00:17] <brainwash> ochosi: works here
[00:17] <ochosi> ok, thanks
[00:17] <ochosi> just need to test one more thing, then that's ready
[00:18] <ochosi> humm, why doesn't the appmenu indicator show up...
[00:21] <ochosi> hm, so that indicator is still called libappmenu.so for now
[00:21] <ochosi> so not converted to upstart yet..?
[00:21] <ochosi> anyhoo, we might have to adjust the blacklist later
[00:23] <brainwash> and the whiskermenu settings are final too?
[00:24] <ochosi> no
[00:26] <ochosi> if you look at the blueprint for -artwork, you'll see we still have to discuss that
[00:27] <brainwash> ok
[01:09] <knome> off for now, see you all later
[08:44] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~sbnhall/xubuntu-docs/administrative-tasks-fix - https://code.launchpad.net/~sbnhall/xubuntu-docs/command-line-fix <--- knome
[08:45] <Unit193> I agree with the second, not sure first.
[08:45] <Unit193> (Didn't look over it as well being the only reason.)
[08:45] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/xubuntu-docs/pedantic_sync_changelog_from_archive
[10:04] <slickymaster-job> knome: ping
[11:01] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: you around?
[12:59] <ochosi> brainwash: btw, feel free to do a merge-request for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1004400
[12:59] <ochosi> i think going along with upstream is ok
[12:59] <ochosi> bbl
[14:54] <ochosi> slickymaster: sorry, but i really wanted something else for the preferences of xfdsektop...
[14:55] <ochosi> the idea as to create a standalone-version, that works on its own
[14:57] <ochosi> i.e. including the information from 4.8/4.10 that still applies plus the features from 4.12
[14:57] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: ^
[14:58] <slickymaster-job> and before that sentence?
[14:58] <ochosi> sorry, but i really wanted something else for the preferences of xfdsektop...
[14:58] <ochosi> yeah, repasting now :)
[14:58] <ochosi> the idea as to create a standalone-version, that works on its own
[14:59] <ochosi> so just one page, holding all the information, not distinguishing between 4.8/4.10 and 4.12 features
[15:00] <slickymaster-job> but wasn't that what already existed?
[15:00] <ochosi> well, only kinda
[15:00] <ochosi> the 4.12 stuff was in a separate section
[15:01] <ochosi> sorry if i didn't communicate that clearly enough
[15:02] <slickymaster-job> hmmm so what you want is to join them and point what fits a version and what fits another version, when it happens?
[15:02] <ochosi> no
[15:03] <ochosi> just a regular docs page describing the preferences dialog
[15:03] <ochosi> for version 4.12
[15:03] <slickymaster-job> just a sec ochosi 
[15:03] <ochosi> no referring to versions
[15:04] <slickymaster-job> ah, no I got it
[15:04] <slickymaster-job> * now
[15:04] <ochosi> target: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.11/start
[15:05] <ochosi> (i've already started porting with the easy parts)
[15:05] <slickymaster-job> so join the sections in one page and remove the references to the versions, right?
[15:05] <ochosi> exactly
[15:06] <slickymaster-job> the distinction will then be made by the versioning
[15:06] <slickymaster-job> is that it?
[15:07] <ochosi> yup
[15:07] <ochosi> i.e. the 4.10 docs will eventually be moved to http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/4.10/start
[15:07] <slickymaster-job> can you give half an hour?
[15:07] <ochosi> sure, no worries/rush
[15:07] <slickymaster-job> and you'll have it done
[15:07] <ochosi> just wanted to point it out because i had some time to start the work
[15:08] <ochosi> porting usage will be quite time-consuming anyway..
[15:08] <ochosi> (especially with my terrible connection here)
[15:08] <slickymaster-job> yeah, I imagine
[15:27] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: how are you planning on dealing with the screenshots?
[15:27] <ochosi> what do you mean exactly?
[15:28] <ochosi> i'm downloading them here and then uploading them to docs.xfce :)
[15:28] <slickymaster-job> what I mean is that presently we have a couple of screenshots for similar features. i.e background tab and icons tab
[15:28] <slickymaster-job> do you want me do add them both?
[15:29] <ochosi> only where you think it really makes sense
[15:29] <slickymaster-job> and nor make any reference to which version each correspond?
[15:29] <slickymaster-job> ok, got it
[15:29] <ochosi> no, no version references
[15:29] <slickymaster-job> ok
[15:29] <ochosi> we don't have to spell out everything word-by-word
[15:30] <slickymaster-job> okie dokie
[15:30] <ochosi> while not everything is intuitive, we don't have to assume the opposite :)
[15:30] <elfy> afternoon slickymaster-job ochosi 
[15:32] <ochosi> ey
[15:32] <ochosi> (short for "elfy")
[15:32] <elfy> lol
[15:34] <slickymaster-job> hey elfy. You won't believe but for the first time in two months it's not raining today and the sun is visible :)
[15:34] <elfy> I do - got the same strange phenomenon going on here ;)
[15:35] <ochosi> great, so it's raining here
[15:35] <ochosi> thanks a lot you two!
[15:36] <elfy> well I would apologise ... 
[15:36] <slickymaster-job> not my fault, nor even my wishful thinking ;) 
[15:37] <ochosi> weeeeee
[15:37]  * ochosi can update a blueprint
[15:37] <elfy> \o/
[15:38] <ochosi> light-locker-settings just got sponsored, one day before FF
[15:38] <elfy> 3 things on the qa one, can't do one till unreal unicorn, other one I postponed - just the one that isn't going to happen this cycle to not do :)
[15:38] <elfy> ochosi: cool
[15:39] <elfy> ochosi: is everything else there - just waiting to get in ?
[15:39] <ochosi> xubuntu-default-settings hasn't been merged
[15:39] <ochosi> it has a lot of MRs already
[15:40] <ochosi> and the seed still has some open MRs
[15:40] <elfy> so they'll get in or not? 
[15:40] <ochosi> ask micahg :)
[15:40] <elfy> :)
[15:40] <ochosi> this isn't really something we can ask the sponsors to do
[15:41] <elfy> indeed - I can understand that
[15:41] <elfy> just about
[15:43] <ochosi> at least you won't have to add PPAs anymore to test something
[15:43] <elfy> :)
[15:43] <ochosi> but yeah, ideally more things will be merged to the seed and uploaded before FF
[15:44] <elfy> I am going to have fun ppa purging
[15:53] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences <- please give me your feedback on it particularly on the Background tab and Icons sections 
[15:53] <slickymaster-job> if I have your ok, I'll go ahead and delete those split pages from bluesabre's wiki
[15:58] <GridCube> so i know is reaaaaaaaaally late now, and even as i like the current state of the lightdm greeter, i would really like if the greeter box had some transparency, like 20% or so, I think that would add a nice touch asociated to the fact that wallpapers modify the greeter itself :P
[15:58] <GridCube> but again, its really late for any request for that, but i would like to test if that works good for 14.10 :3
[16:26] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: I lost my connection so if you pinged me on the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences subject, I wasn't able to see it
[17:13] <slickymaster-job> I'm off ->
[17:13] <slickymaster-job> bbl
[17:16] <knome> Unit193, will look at it when no headache
[17:16] <knome> bah, slickymaster just went
[17:54] <elfy> ochosi: would I be right in saying that people won't be able to test light-locker from a live session when the mp goes through
[17:54] <elfy> or Unit193 bluesabre ^^
[17:54] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/light-locker-live/+merge/207087
[18:06] <knome> elfy, yes
[18:06] <elfy> knome: ok thanks :)
[18:15] <elfy> knome: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1282154 for the testcase change
[19:17] <elfy> anyone in here got today's updates for trusty as of 10 minutes ago installed
[19:17] <elfy> lost icons for lots of panel launchers and all the gtk3 ones
[19:17] <elfy> usr/share/xfce4/backdrops shows all my wallpapers
[19:18] <elfy> if I do the same from desktop settings - then navigate to the same place it appears to be empty
[19:18] <elfy> can't do a screenshot - as I'm told .png is not supported
[19:30] <elfy> on a plus note I can confirm that screensaver set via light-locker-settings works and locks the screen :)
[20:07] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/294486
[20:19] <elfy> gtg = but I assume all the things I'm seeing are similar to the issue toz reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1282227
[20:35] <lderan> forestpiskie, woo for it working :D
[20:48] <knome> Unit193, stop hiding
[20:49] <Unit193> Not hiding, nothing to hide from.
[20:49] <knome> okay
[20:49] <knome> could you do a new merge proposal for the fixes branch without the .pot changes?
[20:49] <knome> (is there now?)
[20:50] <Unit193> Fuzzy languages?
[20:50] <knome> no, .po's are fine
[20:50] <knome> but i think we want to keep the .pot
[20:50] <knome> that's just my gut feeling
[20:50] <knome> if you think it's okay... then i can merge it now
[20:51] <Unit193> Wait, so pos are fine, and merge without the pot?  That's everything.
[20:51] <knome> hm?
[20:51] <knome> okay then
[20:51] <knome> i'll merge
[20:51] <knome> let's see what happens...
[20:51] <Unit193> Not updated for latest.
[20:52] <knome> and now you say it.
[20:52] <knome> clearly not...
[20:56] <Unit193> Want me to update?
[20:57] <knome> that would be good
[20:57] <knome> i'm merging other things now, so would be a good time to get it in
[21:04] <Unit193> OK, did I do that entirely wrong?
[21:05] <Noskcaj> micahg, If you're around, panel, indicator, and xfdesktop all have merges for you to sponsor
[21:05] <knome> Unit193, doesn't look like it for me.
[21:05] <knome> and yeah, not there's no diff for the pot
[21:05] <knome> so great.
[21:05] <knome> well, as much
[21:06] <knome> wait...
[21:06] <Unit193> (I refreshed the pot, then updated po files.)
[21:06] <knome> Unit193, looks a bit weird
[21:07] <knome> probably just some option, see:
[21:07] <knome> 1908	-"<application>Dejà Dup</application> and "
[21:07] <knome> 1909	-"<application>luckyBackup</application>."
[21:07] <knome> 1910	+"<application>Dejà Dup</application> and <application>luckyBackup</"
[21:07] <knome> 1911	+"application>."
[21:07] <Unit193> Yeah, wrapping oddly.
[21:07] <knome> different wrapping?
[21:07] <knome> yep.
[21:08] <knome> another example:
[21:08] <knome> 1802	-#: desktop-guide/C/guide-keeping-safe.xml:21(para) desktop-guide/C/guide-keeping-safe.xml:80(title)
[21:08] <knome> 1803	+#: desktop-guide/C/guide-keeping-safe.xml:21(para)
[21:08] <knome> 1804	+#: desktop-guide/C/guide-keeping-safe.xml:80(title)
[21:08] <knome> it definitely looks like a wrapping problem
[21:09] <Unit193> Is that a problem?
[21:09] <Unit193> I'm using the gettext tools, which are the standard..
[21:09] <knome> mmh, dunno.
[21:09] <knome> why no use get-pot.sh?
[21:09] <Unit193> I did.
[21:09] <knome> right
[21:09] <knome> then i guess it's oka
[21:09] <knome> y
[21:09] <Unit193> For the pot, pos got another one.
[21:09] <knome> merging
[21:09] <Unit193> \o/
[21:11] <knome> done
[21:17] <Unit193> knome: Right, merge your change and I'll send a new one?
[21:18] <knome> Unit193, i merged and pushed already.
[21:18] <Unit193> Oh cool.
[21:23] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/JwtfD0kpRPX8pS4iN5M5/ OK, that's how the tree looks.  CSS is your changes though.
[21:23] <knome> Unit193, mhm.
[21:24] <forestpiskie> lderan: yea woo for that ;)
[21:27] <Unit193> That's the two makefiles, some of that is built upon that last mp: http://paste.openstack.org/show/jznXN8zj5nMaabRUvlex/
[21:29] <knome> still looks okay to me on a not-too-technical level
[21:31] <jjfrv8-work> knome, I was going to ask you if you wanted me to do anthing with that growing queue, but I see you've already taken care of it.
[21:31] <knome> jjfrv8-work, :)
[21:32] <jjfrv8-work> sounds like a stubborn headache :(
[21:32] <knome> that it is. but fortunately it's now gone :)
[21:35] <Unit193> Hrm, did you merge them all?
[21:35] <knome> Unit193, no.
[21:35] <knome> Unit193, all except the one you weren't sure of either
[21:35] <Unit193> Nice.
[21:37] <Unit193> Hrm, not seeing yours.
[21:38] <knome> mine?
[21:38] <Unit193> Was I supposed to propose the merge of new appendix or just push it?  I have it pushed.  New startpage.
[21:38] <knome> merge proposal is good.
[21:38] <knome> ah, yeah, that.
[21:39] <Unit193> Bleh.
[21:39] <knome> i have it on my desktop
[21:39] <Unit193> And pushed to bzr.
[21:39] <knome> can push that tomorrow for you
[21:39] <knome> if you need it
[21:40] <Unit193> Well, the second half of my translations one uses it, after splitting it up. :P
[21:40] <knome> heh
[21:40] <Unit193> (made you happy with htx extension.)
[21:40] <knome> hehe, good
[21:41] <Unit193> And, merge requested.
[21:41] <knome> ta
[21:54] <Unit193> Anyone in core-doc that can review on a technical level?
[21:56] <knome> really don't know
[21:56] <knome> you should ask in -doc
[21:57] <knome> (i'm there, and can give support if needed)
[22:12] <brainwash> wohoo, xfdesktop-4.11.3
[22:13] <Unit193> We can claim bugfix release, right?
[22:13] <brainwash> important bug-fix release
[22:13] <brainwash> ofc
[22:13] <knome> Unit193, isn't that the point of post-FF uploads? :P
[22:14] <knome> or, having a FF, not just a ... FF
[22:14] <knome> (1st feature, 2nd final)
[22:18] <knome> off for now, see you later
[22:19] <brainwash> bye
[22:20] <brainwash> Unit193: so now we need to get xfce4-panel 4.11 final, -indicator-plugin 2.3.0 and xfdesktop 4.11.3 in trusty before Beta 1
[22:21] <Unit193> brainwash: First two are already pending.
[22:21] <brainwash> that's great
[22:21] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Did you want to take this too?  Simply a bugfix release.
[22:22] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/commit/?id=ffb99ffdcc7926cae8b8d1bbee286c5797d28083
[22:27] <slickymaster> knome: I went, but now I've come back :)
[22:31] <Unit193> slickymaster: Want to review my MP? :P
[22:41] <slickymaster> Unit193: which one?
[22:47] <Unit193> knome: FWIW, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox/xubuntu-docs/command-line-edits/+merge/206854 that's the one we had doubts on.
[22:47] <Unit193> (Strong ones.)
[22:52] <slickymaster> yes knome, I'm with Unit193 regarding that one
[22:59] <Unit193> knome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/67404/ (Openstack has better diff view) I concur with this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbnhall/xubuntu-docs/administrative-tasks-fix/revision/142?remember=141&compare_revid=140
[23:00] <slickymaster> Unit193: look at what I posted in -off regarding your appendix
[23:01] <Unit193> I did. :P
[23:01] <Unit193> This is cahnnel 13, that's 14.  Though I normally read in backwards order in the morning.
[23:03] <ali1234> bug 1282299
[23:08] <ochosi> ali1234: wow, that's an odd bug
[23:08] <ali1234> not really, this is like the third time it's happened
[23:13] <ochosi> ali1234: right, but why only rythmbox? so the mpris2 plugin there is buggy?
[23:13] <knome> slickymaster, aha
[23:14] <slickymaster> were you looking for me?
[23:17] <knome> no, you were looking for me :)
[23:18] <slickymaster> yeah, this morning, wondering if you had saw https://code.launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox/xubuntu-docs/command-line-edits/+merge/206854 whcih by now I know you saw it
[23:19] <knome> i thought it was fine
[23:20] <slickymaster> I discussed earlier this morning with Unit193 and we had same objections
[23:20] <knome> being..?
[23:20] <slickymaster> even though I don't know what are his
[23:20] <knome> lol
[23:23] <slickymaster> sorry knome, give me just a sec
[23:24] <knome> sure
[23:24] <knome> i'm actually working on a client project as well
[23:24] <knome> haven't been feeling too well today (still not awfully well), but have to psuh things forward
[23:33] <slickymaster> sorry knome, my kid call me
[23:33] <slickymaster> what I was saying is that in my opinion the proposed paragraph gets too simplified and does not quite frames the use, or better the reason of such use, of the command line
[23:35] <knome> i agree with that the paragraph could be worded a bit better though
[23:38] <slickymaster> IMO the existing paragraph is perfect for what it's proposed, i.e. an introduction to the need of the use in Xubuntu and how to do it, strickly speaking on the needs of an average user
[23:39] <knome> we can always revert it
[23:41] <slickymaster> maybe Unit193 should give his 20 cents input on it
[23:42] <knome> i'm not feeling strongly either way
[23:43] <slickymaster> :) let Unit193 be the ruler
[23:43] <slickymaster> Unit193: ^^
[23:43] <knome> slickymaster, the ruler, as in the XPL?
[23:44] <slickymaster> ah ah ah ah ah
[23:44] <slickymaster> you really read my mind
[23:45] <Unit193> I can't elaborate, bit busy with audio editing.  I wasn't for it, less concise and to the point with as much info as it could.  Seemed kind of like it was change for the sake of it.
[23:46] <slickymaster> more or less my opinion
[23:46] <knome> heh, fine fine
[23:46] <knome> maybe you should comment on the merge proposals then ;)
[23:47] <slickymaster> I was going to do it, but then I saw you had approved it and that kind of stopped me
[23:47] <knome> heh, that does definitely stop you
[23:52] <slickymaster> thatÂ's why I rushed and commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/new-appendix/+merge/207310 before you have a chance
[23:52] <Unit193> :P
[23:52] <Unit193> Reject it!
[23:53] <slickymaster> quite the opposite. I think it should be approved and merged
[23:53] <Unit193> :(