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ianorlinalthouhg in terminal if you find yourself repeadtly running it I use up arrow in terminal and hit enter to do it quickly when working on a script for a wihle00:01
SchrodingersCatwhat's a good partition scheme for an ssd?00:15
SchrodingersCatyou're not supposed to use swap or journaling on those, right?00:17
phillwSchrodingersCat: there may be more upto date... but do have a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives00:21
SchrodingersCatthanks00:22
SchrodingersCathow do I disable the blank-screen screensaver on thee live cd?00:23
SchrodingersCati don't want to install unless i can get rid of that00:23
SchrodingersCatupdate: i think there is no screensaver control gui that i can easily find.00:27
SchrodingersCati'm willing to be patient to wait for an answer, i know how irc works, but i just wanna make this clear: if it can't be disabled, i'm gonna have to find a distro that's usable00:37
ianorlingo into xfce power manager which looks like a battery01:03
SchrodingersCatdid01:04
ianorlinby a right click prefrences and then click on prefrences01:04
SchrodingersCat"disabled" it there01:04
SchrodingersCatdidn't work01:04
ianorlinthis is 13.10 right?01:05
SchrodingersCatoh01:05
SchrodingersCatyes01:05
SchrodingersCatmay have missed that part01:05
koellanything new in lubuntu for 14.04?01:05
SchrodingersCatwhere are you referring to?01:06
SchrodingersCati can't find anything i didn't already turn off01:06
SchrodingersCatfound something in xset01:10
SchrodingersCatso confusing01:11
ianorlinis this when you close the screen on a laptop?01:12
SchrodingersCatno01:12
ianorlinjust when idle01:12
SchrodingersCatyes01:12
SchrodingersCatdesktop monitor01:12
ianorlindo you have xscreensaver installed?01:13
SchrodingersCatno01:13
SchrodingersCatlive cd didn't come with it01:13
SchrodingersCati'm installing it now to see if it can stop this annoance01:14
ianorlinyou don't really need the power manager for anything then do you01:14
SchrodingersCatnot really01:14
ianorlinnot this is under the monitor tab01:14
SchrodingersCatwhat monitor tab?01:15
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ianorlinon the power manager01:17
ianorlinthat is what you need to put to never01:17
SchrodingersCati disabled everything it could possibly be in the power manager01:17
SchrodingersCatdid that a while ago01:18
SchrodingersCati finished installing xscreensaver01:21
SchrodingersCatset it to disable screensavr01:21
SchrodingersCathopefully it will work now01:21
SchrodingersCatif it does, i'll do the install01:22
ianorlincan you pastebin your ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml01:22
SchrodingersCatnot easily01:23
ianorlin!pastebinit01:24
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com01:24
SchrodingersCat1 sec01:25
ianorlinit should have <property name="dpms-on-ac-sleep" type="uint" value="0"/>01:26
ianorlinand     <property name="dpms-on-ac-off" type="uint" value="0"/>01:26
SchrodingersCatyes01:26
SchrodingersCatit's not the power manager01:27
SchrodingersCati think it was a vestigial screensaver setting01:27
SchrodingersCati mean, there seems to be an internal blank-only screensaver01:28
SchrodingersCati bypassed it by installing and configuring xscreensaver01:28
SchrodingersCatit seems to be working now01:30
ianorlinok that is good01:30
SchrodingersCatnow to figure out partition options01:30
SchrodingersCati have 8 gb of ram. do i need swap?01:37
SchrodingersCat(i have an ssd)01:37
zsw_hello?01:48
SchrodingersCathi01:49
zsw_wheres the ops guy for #lubuntu01:49
SchrodingersCati was just leaving01:50
SchrodingersCatcant help01:50
zsw_well i would like you to let me in to #ubuntu-ops so we can descuss my ban01:50
Unit193!appeals | zsw_01:52
ubottuzsw_: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.01:52
Unit193zsw_: This isn't the channel for it.01:52
jedidiah_Anybody here familiar with Brother printers?02:57
* ianorlin doesn't have one what problem are you having?02:57
jedidiah_I just got a printer and can't seem to get it to work. I tried installing the official drivers, and the machines seem to talk, but nothing prints02:59
jedidiah_If I try printing something out the printer says it recieves the file, but never actually does anything with it.03:00
leszekhi10:21
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gomaazhi guys17:00
gomaazIm trying to install lubuntu 13.10 with an alternate cd image text based on an apple ibook g3 dual usb17:03
gomaazspecs here: https://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_500.html17:04
gomaazinstallation went fine.17:04
gomaazon startup -> yaboot asks to boot. lubuntu splash is showing up17:05
gomaazafter a while screen gets kind of distorted17:05
gomaazlooks like the resolution is set wrong OR the graphic card driver is not installed correctly (Ati rage 128 8MB here)17:06
gomaazI'm new to linux btw :)17:06
ianorlinis it just the splash showing wrong?17:27
gomaazguess not17:30
gomaazor shure yeah17:30
ianorlinhave you logged in?17:30
gomaazthe system should run behind it ;)17:30
gomaazno i can't17:30
gomaazcant see anything17:30
gomaazblue screen17:31
ianorlindoes pressing control alt f1 do anytihng?17:31
gomaaznope17:31
ianorlinwas the screen working before?17:32
gomaazyes17:32
gomaazhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/fy5p6hzabaob6fy/IMG_20140220_183124.jpg17:32
gomaazthere ya go17:32
gomaazthe lubuntu 13.10 claim is parted...17:32
gomaazseems like graphic issue17:33
ianorlinyes it does17:33
gomaazsince i noticed xorg is not having its own directory anymore in /etc17:33
gomaazi recreated X11/ an copied a config file from mac linux be17:33
gomaazhttp://mac.linux.be/files/xorg/ibook1.txt17:34
gomaazrenamed it ofcourse in xorg.conf17:34
gomaazbut no difference17:34
ianorlinso it was working before?17:34
ianorlinto do that?17:34
gomaazthe screen was working before with another OS (apple and before that with ubuntu)17:36
gomaazbut drive has changed since then17:36
ianorlinwhich version of ubuntu?17:36
ianorlinhard drive?17:36
gomaazdunno anymore sry :/17:36
gomaazI'm booting with the alternate cd into rescue mode. frome there I can start a shell in the root filesystem17:37
holsteingomaaz: vesa driver is what i always do to address that on my older G3 macs17:45
holsteingomaaz: you should clean out that xorg you made, and try something else17:46
gomaazhm17:46
holsteinor, run a headless server that doesnt require graphics17:46
gomaazhow can I prevent xorg to start at boot?17:47
holsteini just dont install it.. i run them headless now.. without x17:48
gomaazok but I have to to become a desktop ?17:48
holsteinor, you could likely find an xorg.conf that would work for you17:48
holsteinforcing the vesa driver17:48
gomaazokey17:49
holsteingomaaz: you might want to consider what you are asking of the hardware, and have realistic expectations17:49
gomaazvesa is responsive for ati carsds?17:49
holsteingomaaz: its not even so much the "age", but the support for the device17:49
holsteinbut, the vesa driver is the next thing to test, i suggest.. if you havent17:49
gomaazI once had sucessfully booted into LXDE17:49
holsteingomaaz: vesa is what to use when nothing else workds17:50
holstein!vesa17:50
ubottuvesa is the default video driver if X can't find a better one. Also see !x17:50
gomaazokey17:50
gomaaznex question: how to install it?17:50
holsteingomaaz: you dont17:50
holsteingomaaz: its already installed17:50
holsteinyou just use an xorg.conf that specifies its use17:50
gomaazDriver "vesa"?17:51
holsteinyes.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 for example17:52
holsteinim not suggesting that would work for your hardware. but, its likely a "better" place to start than the one you have17:52
gomaazI also start with "nosplash"17:54
gomaazso I can see what hes doing at startup17:54
holsteingomaaz: start how you please.. the issue is the graphics card not supporting linux, as i read17:55
CrazyTBCan I install Lubuntu from the command-line?17:59
CrazyTBI'm running the Live CD right now, but it seems the graphical installer is confused by GPT partitioning, so I'd like to have a bit more control over the installation.18:00
ianorlinthere is the alternate installer18:00
CrazyTBianorlin: do I need to burn another CD? Can I do it from the standard live CD?18:01
holsteinCrazyTB: its a different iso18:01
ianorlinmight need to burn another also do you have 32 or 64 bit cd ?18:01
CrazyTBI have the standard 64-bit Lubuntu 13.10 live cd18:03
CrazyTBAlso, my laptop only supports UEFI, there is no option to legacy mode.18:03
holsteinthe standard one is just that.. standard. the alternate iso can be downloaded and offers the alternative installer18:03
holstein!uefi18:03
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI18:03
holstein!mini18:04
ubottuThe Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD18:04
holstein^ there are also those, which can be handy18:04
CrazyTBWhat is confusing me right now is that the installer wants me to select a device for boot loader installation.18:04
CrazyTBThis thing seems to be heritage from legacy MBR, it does not make much sense in GPT/EFI.18:05
holsteinall i can say is, nothing about ubuntu/linux is preventing things from working .. you might need to make changes in the bios to facilitate installation18:06
pyrosMy Lubuntu (12.04) won't boot. It gets stuck on the orange dots. There is data on the disk that I want to keep. Could I re-install lubuntu over the existing one? What would be the concequences?18:30
pyrosp.s. I am currently using partition magic from a usb stick and can see my drive18:31
ianorlinreinstalling over existing one would lose data18:36
ianorlindo you have a place to back up your data?18:36
STHGOMAAAUUUGGGHHHH18:38
pyrosNope, not at the moment.18:39
pyrosI was hoping I could just overwrite the OS and the data would remain :(18:39
ianorlindo you have a seperate /home partition?18:40
pyrosno, its on the main partition.18:40
pyrosBut maybe I could make one since i'm in partition magic?18:41
ianorlinit is good to back up before shrinking partitions though18:41
pyrosI see. Is there any obvious way to fix my existing install?18:43
ianorlinwhat were you doing before it went wrong?18:44
pyrosNot much, but I just notices that I am out of space on the disk. I can free up a big chunk by deleting a virtual machine. I'm not yet sure if this will fix it, or maybe there are files missing that couldn't write during an update.18:45
ianorlinalso then partition shrink won't really work as it is not free18:47
ianorlincan you try getting into recovery mode in grub?18:47
ianorlin!grub18:47
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub218:47
pyrosI have two VMs I can delete, then shrink, start moving stuff over, and then shrink again.18:48
pyrosI could be wrong (because i'm clueless about this), but I don't think it's an issue with the boot manager as it is managing to find Lubuntu okay... it has a blue lubuntu screen, then a black lubuntu screen, then hangs.18:49
ianorlincan you boot into recovery mode?18:49
ianorlinhold shift if not a dualboot18:50
CrazyTBIs there any way to save/read the (L)Ubuntu install log?18:50
pyrosNot tried, but I can give that a go after I've free'd some space up. Will it help recover the OS?18:50
CrazyTBI want to save the messages to read later, to check if everything went fine.18:50
pyrosCrazyTB: I can have a look, where abouts is it?18:51
CrazyTBThat's my question, where is the log located? I want to just copy it.18:51
pyrosI have access to the disk in media/sda1/ but I don't know which folder the log would be in.18:53
Unit193CrazyTB: /var/log/installer/ iirc.18:53
pyrosIt contains casper.log debug initial-status.gz media-info partman syslog and version18:54
pyrosshall I pastebin one of those?18:54
CrazyTBpyros: oops, I guess I accidentally looked like I was referring to you... sorry about that!18:55
ianorlinnot sure that would help with full disk18:56
pyrosCrazyTB: no worries!18:56
pyrosianorlin: thanks for your help. I'll free up some space and reboot. If that doesn't work I'll try holding shift for recovery mode. If I get nowhere with that I'll wait until I get another disk, rather than risk partition shrinking my SSD. Does that sound like the best plan?18:58
ianorlinyes18:59
ianorlinbe careful when deleting though18:59
pyrosOkay, thank you for all your help, it's much appreciated. You saved me from losing my data by attempting to re-install lubuntu over my existing copy.19:00
ianorlinYou are welcome19:03
SlitHello nice people. Could someone help me on how to add 1280x1024 screen resolution to xorg.conf?20:15
Unit193Slit: Have you tried auto generating a xorg.conf file first?20:16
Unit193!xorgconf20:16
ubottuThe /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is deprecated, but sometimes may still be needed to pass values to specific drivers. Generic xorg.conf generation: http://ubottu.com/y/xorgconf - ATI/AMD ( fglrx driver ) specific: http://ubottu.com/y/atiamd - NVidia ( nvidia driver )specific: http://ubottu.com/y/nvidia man xorg.conf for file structure and syntax.20:16
SlitI am in a specific position. holstein helped me. I have Powerpc mac mini, and I had problems with graphics. That is why I ahve xorg.conf20:17
melodiehi, is there a specific lubuntu-qa chan?20:18
Unit193melodie: No.20:18
melodieok Unit193 thanks20:18
Unit193melodie: Best you have is either #ubuntu-quality or #lubuntu-offtopic20:18
melodieI have a message from french speaking buddies20:18
melodieno it is directly concerning lubuntu20:18
Unit193melodie: Sending it to their mailing list might help.20:19
melodiethey say there is a bad issue with chromium in lubuntu especially20:19
melodieUnit193 yes sure20:19
Unit193Tell them to add more ram, it's chromium.20:19
Unit193Slit: Right, PPC.  Well that's fun.20:19
holsteinSlit: did the vesa driver work?20:20
melodieUnit193 I try to bring him here20:20
SlitUnit193, it si fun as hell. Do you know how to add 1280x1024. I know mini can take it.20:21
melodieUnit193 it's a Lubuntu exclusive issue, all other distros don't meet with it20:21
Slitholstein my man :-) it worked fine, and wifi20:21
holsteinSlit: cheers..20:21
Unit193melodie: That's not going to help if said person doesn't speak English.  File a bug on launchpad.20:21
melodieUnit193 he speaks even better than myself he is very keen in english20:21
Slitholstein do you know it how to confugure?20:22
caymushi20:22
melodiehi caymus20:23
holsteinSlit: configure what?20:23
melodieUnit193 I just talked to you about caymus  and his issue in Lubuntu with chromium20:23
caymusDo someone know what is happenig on lubuntu?, i have a strange problem,20:23
holsteincaymus: i konw what is happening here on lubuntu.. what is happening to you on lubuntu? specifically?20:24
caymusi have ported one of my private Qt project form Qt 4.8 to Qt5.220:24
Slitholstein, I want to add 1280x1024 screen reolution t xorg.conf, because mini can take it. I tryed in live cd mode?20:24
caymusthe problem is, my appli use 16TeraByte virtual memory20:24
holsteinSlit: ok.. edit the xorg.conf.. back that one up,a nd you can always revert to it20:25
holsteinSlit: try arandr20:25
caymusi have tested on kubuntu & ubuntu, no problem 600mb virtual memory20:25
caymuselse tested on archlinux lxde, no problem also20:25
caymus& found this20:25
caymushttp://list-archives.org/2013/12/14/lubuntu-users-lists-ubuntu-com/latest-chromium-browser-using-high-cpu-on-any-page/f/452426707320:25
Slitholstein, step by step. I will save xorg.conf to desktop for backup, and then what20:25
caymussame problem happen for Qt-bitcoin prject20:25
holsteincaymus: its more likely you are on different versions20:26
holsteincaymus: or example lubuntu 13.10, and kubuntu 12.0420:26
caymusmy privat Qt project have the same behaviour than this one chromium-browser user 11% 72.1MB 16777216.0 TB20:26
melodieholstein it would not explain why here chromium eats the whole ram and elsewhere it doesn't, would it?20:26
caymus16 TeraByte virtual memory20:27
Unit193Chromium is GTK, how would it even be related?20:27
caymuschecked my code 8 hours20:27
caymusbut it is happenig only on lubuntu20:27
caymusi dunno how20:27
melodiecaymus do you mean "during 8 hours"? or do you mean "8 hours ago"?20:27
melodiecaymus have you traced the parent processes?20:28
caymusbut why on ubuntu & kubuntu , archlinux lxde this is repporting 600mb virtual memory20:28
caymuset only on lubuntu 16TeraBytes20:28
caymusi was unable to track the culprit lib but this is my little personnal project20:29
caymushttp://178.32.44.120/shared/out.ogv20:29
caymussame behaviour for Qt-bitcoin & apparently for chromium related fro gtk?20:30
Unit193I don't see how this is related at all.  /usr/share/lubuntu/qt/Trolltech.conf only contains minimal config too.20:31
caymusholstein: i have tested on virtual machines20:31
caymuslubuntu 13.10 14.04 ubuntu 13.10 14.04 kubuntu 13.10 14.04 archlinux lxde kerenl 3.1320:32
caymusthe problem is recursive from lubuntu 13.10 to 14.0420:32
caymusit is why i cannot track the problem also Unit19320:33
caymusi dont understand why this is happening20:33
caymus6 hours on valgrind to track problems but i cannot understand where is the problem20:34
holsteinyou are thinking its with lubuntu, correct?20:35
holsteinand, only lubuntu.. not main ubuntu20:35
caymusyes i suspect, or a lib20:35
caymusyes20:35
holsteinso, start looking at the differences between them20:35
caymusthis is not happening on ubuntu unity or kde ubuntu20:35
caymusmaybe a corrupted libQt?20:36
holsteincaymus: what one? the repos are the same20:36
holsteincaymus: if you are adding sources, you'll need to troubleshoot those20:36
caymusyes i know but this is only a question because after search on web i found same problem for chromium dev & Qt-bitcoin dev20:38
caymuset all are related to lubuntu only20:38
caymusthis is out of my scope to debug this sorry20:38
holsteincaymus: are they repo packages?20:39
caymusmy appli is dev from myself20:39
caymus& compiled by myself20:39
holsteincaymus: there are no lubuntu specific sources.. so, if they are repo pacakges, they should, or can become the same version20:39
caymusnot from repos20:39
SlitAny help with xorg.conf?20:42
holsteinSlit: ?20:42
holsteinSlit: *after* having backedup and copied the one that is working and "known good", just rewrite the one you have with what you want.. reboot and test..20:43
holsteinSlit: unless i, or another volunteer has it here, it will likely be soemthing you will have to do on your own hardware20:44
Slitholstein, how colud I add 1280x1024 to xorg.conf. What should I write20:44
holsteinSlit: go where another value is written,a nd replace that one20:44
holsteinSlit: did arandr work?20:44
holsteinSlit: the application arandr20:44
Slitdon 't how to work with arandr20:45
holsteinSlit: you install it, and run it.. and its a GUI20:45
holstein!info arandr20:45
ubottuarandr (source: arandr): Simple visual front end for XRandR. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.7.1-1 (saucy), package size 66 kB, installed size 507 kB20:45
Slitther is no option for my screen resolution that what. I run it, and then what20:45
holsteinSlit: then, you do the xorg.conf option20:45
holsteinand keep in mind, the vesa driver may not support it20:45
SlitSholud i open xorg in arandr,20:46
holsteinSlit: no20:46
holsteinSlit: you would back up the xorg.conf20:46
holsteinthen, edit it in a text editor20:46
SlitOk, I have now opend as roo0t xorg20:48
SlitWhat next?20:48
caymushere the problem sorry for the delay20:51
caymushttp://178.32.44.120/shared/vm-problem-scrot.png20:51
caymuson virtual memory size20:52
caymusthe main os is lubuntu20:54
caymus13.1020:54
caymusbut this is also happenig into lubuntu 14.04 into virtual machines20:55
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wxlok kids i'm stuck with an apt issue i've never had before23:00
wxlapt-get update yields E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.23:00
wxland that yields dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000' near line 0: EOF after field name `'23:01
wxlsupposedly sudo dpkg --clear-avail should fix this but no dice23:01
Unit193That indeed is new, what's in the file?23:02
Unit193(Looks like nothing.)23:02
wxlit's empty23:02
wxlyep :)23:02
wxlgood inference23:02
* wxl pats Unit193 on the head23:02
Unit193Do I get a snack?  So, remove the file.23:03
wxlwell i think that's what clear-avail does23:03
wxlbut i shall try that too23:03
wxlah that did it23:04
wxlhad to remove the whole of the updates subdirectory23:05
wxlweird tho23:05
Unit193Might have been good to see if all were blank, but at least it's a-workin'23:07
wxluh23:32
wxlmaybe not23:32
wxldpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'procps' is missing final newline23:32
wxlE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)23:32

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