[00:01] <ianorlin> althouhg in terminal if you find yourself repeadtly running it I use up arrow in terminal and hit enter to do it quickly when working on a script for a wihle
[00:15] <SchrodingersCat> what's a good partition scheme for an ssd?
[00:17] <SchrodingersCat> you're not supposed to use swap or journaling on those, right?
[00:21] <phillw> SchrodingersCat: there may be more upto date... but do have a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives
[00:22] <SchrodingersCat> thanks
[00:23] <SchrodingersCat> how do I disable the blank-screen screensaver on thee live cd?
[00:23] <SchrodingersCat> i don't want to install unless i can get rid of that
[00:27] <SchrodingersCat> update: i think there is no screensaver control gui that i can easily find.
[00:37] <SchrodingersCat> i'm willing to be patient to wait for an answer, i know how irc works, but i just wanna make this clear: if it can't be disabled, i'm gonna have to find a distro that's usable
[01:03] <ianorlin> go into xfce power manager which looks like a battery
[01:04] <SchrodingersCat> did
[01:04] <ianorlin> by a right click prefrences and then click on prefrences
[01:04] <SchrodingersCat> "disabled" it there
[01:04] <SchrodingersCat> didn't work
[01:05] <ianorlin> this is 13.10 right?
[01:05] <SchrodingersCat> oh
[01:05] <SchrodingersCat> yes
[01:05] <SchrodingersCat> may have missed that part
[01:05] <koell> anything new in lubuntu for 14.04?
[01:06] <SchrodingersCat> where are you referring to?
[01:06] <SchrodingersCat> i can't find anything i didn't already turn off
[01:10] <SchrodingersCat> found something in xset
[01:11] <SchrodingersCat> so confusing
[01:12] <ianorlin> is this when you close the screen on a laptop?
[01:12] <SchrodingersCat> no
[01:12] <ianorlin> just when idle
[01:12] <SchrodingersCat> yes
[01:12] <SchrodingersCat> desktop monitor
[01:13] <ianorlin> do you have xscreensaver installed?
[01:13] <SchrodingersCat> no
[01:13] <SchrodingersCat> live cd didn't come with it
[01:14] <SchrodingersCat> i'm installing it now to see if it can stop this annoance
[01:14] <ianorlin> you don't really need the power manager for anything then do you
[01:14] <SchrodingersCat> not really
[01:14] <ianorlin> not this is under the monitor tab
[01:15] <SchrodingersCat> what monitor tab?
[01:17] <ianorlin> on the power manager
[01:17] <ianorlin> that is what you need to put to never
[01:17] <SchrodingersCat> i disabled everything it could possibly be in the power manager
[01:18] <SchrodingersCat> did that a while ago
[01:21] <SchrodingersCat> i finished installing xscreensaver
[01:21] <SchrodingersCat> set it to disable screensavr
[01:21] <SchrodingersCat> hopefully it will work now
[01:22] <SchrodingersCat> if it does, i'll do the install
[01:22] <ianorlin> can you pastebin your ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-power-manager.xml
[01:23] <SchrodingersCat> not easily
[01:24] <ianorlin> !pastebinit
[01:25] <SchrodingersCat> 1 sec
[01:26] <ianorlin> it should have <property name="dpms-on-ac-sleep" type="uint" value="0"/>
[01:26] <ianorlin> and     <property name="dpms-on-ac-off" type="uint" value="0"/>
[01:26] <SchrodingersCat> yes
[01:27] <SchrodingersCat> it's not the power manager
[01:27] <SchrodingersCat> i think it was a vestigial screensaver setting
[01:28] <SchrodingersCat> i mean, there seems to be an internal blank-only screensaver
[01:28] <SchrodingersCat> i bypassed it by installing and configuring xscreensaver
[01:30] <SchrodingersCat> it seems to be working now
[01:30] <ianorlin> ok that is good
[01:30] <SchrodingersCat> now to figure out partition options
[01:37] <SchrodingersCat> i have 8 gb of ram. do i need swap?
[01:37] <SchrodingersCat> (i have an ssd)
[01:48] <zsw_> hello?
[01:49] <SchrodingersCat> hi
[01:49] <zsw_> wheres the ops guy for #lubuntu
[01:50] <SchrodingersCat> i was just leaving
[01:50] <SchrodingersCat> cant help
[01:50] <zsw_> well i would like you to let me in to #ubuntu-ops so we can descuss my ban
[01:52] <Unit193> !appeals | zsw_
[01:52] <Unit193> zsw_: This isn't the channel for it.
[02:57] <jedidiah_> Anybody here familiar with Brother printers?
[02:57]  * ianorlin doesn't have one what problem are you having?
[02:59] <jedidiah_> I just got a printer and can't seem to get it to work. I tried installing the official drivers, and the machines seem to talk, but nothing prints
[03:00] <jedidiah_> If I try printing something out the printer says it recieves the file, but never actually does anything with it.
[10:21] <leszek> hi
[17:00] <gomaaz> hi guys
[17:03] <gomaaz> Im trying to install lubuntu 13.10 with an alternate cd image text based on an apple ibook g3 dual usb
[17:04] <gomaaz> specs here: https://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_500.html
[17:04] <gomaaz> installation went fine.
[17:05] <gomaaz> on startup -> yaboot asks to boot. lubuntu splash is showing up
[17:05] <gomaaz> after a while screen gets kind of distorted
[17:06] <gomaaz> looks like the resolution is set wrong OR the graphic card driver is not installed correctly (Ati rage 128 8MB here)
[17:06] <gomaaz> I'm new to linux btw :)
[17:27] <ianorlin> is it just the splash showing wrong?
[17:30] <gomaaz> guess not
[17:30] <gomaaz> or shure yeah
[17:30] <ianorlin> have you logged in?
[17:30] <gomaaz> the system should run behind it ;)
[17:30] <gomaaz> no i can't
[17:30] <gomaaz> cant see anything
[17:31] <gomaaz> blue screen
[17:31] <ianorlin> does pressing control alt f1 do anytihng?
[17:31] <gomaaz> nope
[17:32] <ianorlin> was the screen working before?
[17:32] <gomaaz> yes
[17:32] <gomaaz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy5p6hzabaob6fy/IMG_20140220_183124.jpg
[17:32] <gomaaz> there ya go
[17:32] <gomaaz> the lubuntu 13.10 claim is parted...
[17:33] <gomaaz> seems like graphic issue
[17:33] <ianorlin> yes it does
[17:33] <gomaaz> since i noticed xorg is not having its own directory anymore in /etc
[17:33] <gomaaz> i recreated X11/ an copied a config file from mac linux be
[17:34] <gomaaz> http://mac.linux.be/files/xorg/ibook1.txt
[17:34] <gomaaz> renamed it ofcourse in xorg.conf
[17:34] <gomaaz> but no difference
[17:34] <ianorlin> so it was working before?
[17:34] <ianorlin> to do that?
[17:36] <gomaaz> the screen was working before with another OS (apple and before that with ubuntu)
[17:36] <gomaaz> but drive has changed since then
[17:36] <ianorlin> which version of ubuntu?
[17:36] <ianorlin> hard drive?
[17:36] <gomaaz> dunno anymore sry :/
[17:37] <gomaaz> I'm booting with the alternate cd into rescue mode. frome there I can start a shell in the root filesystem
[17:45] <holstein> gomaaz: vesa driver is what i always do to address that on my older G3 macs
[17:46] <holstein> gomaaz: you should clean out that xorg you made, and try something else
[17:46] <gomaaz> hm
[17:46] <holstein> or, run a headless server that doesnt require graphics
[17:47] <gomaaz> how can I prevent xorg to start at boot?
[17:48] <holstein> i just dont install it.. i run them headless now.. without x
[17:48] <gomaaz> ok but I have to to become a desktop ?
[17:48] <holstein> or, you could likely find an xorg.conf that would work for you
[17:48] <holstein> forcing the vesa driver
[17:49] <gomaaz> okey
[17:49] <holstein> gomaaz: you might want to consider what you are asking of the hardware, and have realistic expectations
[17:49] <gomaaz> vesa is responsive for ati carsds?
[17:49] <holstein> gomaaz: its not even so much the "age", but the support for the device
[17:49] <holstein> but, the vesa driver is the next thing to test, i suggest.. if you havent
[17:49] <gomaaz> I once had sucessfully booted into LXDE
[17:50] <holstein> gomaaz: vesa is what to use when nothing else workds
[17:50] <holstein> !vesa
[17:50] <gomaaz> okey
[17:50] <gomaaz> nex question: how to install it?
[17:50] <holstein> gomaaz: you dont
[17:50] <holstein> gomaaz: its already installed
[17:50] <holstein> you just use an xorg.conf that specifies its use
[17:51] <gomaaz> Driver "vesa"?
[17:52] <holstein> yes.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 for example
[17:52] <holstein> im not suggesting that would work for your hardware. but, its likely a "better" place to start than the one you have
[17:54] <gomaaz> I also start with "nosplash"
[17:54] <gomaaz> so I can see what hes doing at startup
[17:55] <holstein> gomaaz: start how you please.. the issue is the graphics card not supporting linux, as i read
[17:59] <CrazyTB> Can I install Lubuntu from the command-line?
[18:00] <CrazyTB> I'm running the Live CD right now, but it seems the graphical installer is confused by GPT partitioning, so I'd like to have a bit more control over the installation.
[18:00] <ianorlin> there is the alternate installer
[18:01] <CrazyTB> ianorlin: do I need to burn another CD? Can I do it from the standard live CD?
[18:01] <holstein> CrazyTB: its a different iso
[18:01] <ianorlin> might need to burn another also do you have 32 or 64 bit cd ?
[18:03] <CrazyTB> I have the standard 64-bit Lubuntu 13.10 live cd
[18:03] <CrazyTB> Also, my laptop only supports UEFI, there is no option to legacy mode.
[18:03] <holstein> the standard one is just that.. standard. the alternate iso can be downloaded and offers the alternative installer
[18:03] <holstein> !uefi
[18:04] <holstein> !mini
[18:04] <holstein> ^ there are also those, which can be handy
[18:04] <CrazyTB> What is confusing me right now is that the installer wants me to select a device for boot loader installation.
[18:05] <CrazyTB> This thing seems to be heritage from legacy MBR, it does not make much sense in GPT/EFI.
[18:06] <holstein> all i can say is, nothing about ubuntu/linux is preventing things from working .. you might need to make changes in the bios to facilitate installation
[18:30] <pyros> My Lubuntu (12.04) won't boot. It gets stuck on the orange dots. There is data on the disk that I want to keep. Could I re-install lubuntu over the existing one? What would be the concequences?
[18:31] <pyros> p.s. I am currently using partition magic from a usb stick and can see my drive
[18:36] <ianorlin> reinstalling over existing one would lose data
[18:36] <ianorlin> do you have a place to back up your data?
[18:38] <STHGOM> AAAUUUGGGHHHH
[18:39] <pyros> Nope, not at the moment.
[18:39] <pyros> I was hoping I could just overwrite the OS and the data would remain :(
[18:40] <ianorlin> do you have a seperate /home partition?
[18:40] <pyros> no, its on the main partition.
[18:41] <pyros> But maybe I could make one since i'm in partition magic?
[18:41] <ianorlin> it is good to back up before shrinking partitions though
[18:43] <pyros> I see. Is there any obvious way to fix my existing install?
[18:44] <ianorlin> what were you doing before it went wrong?
[18:45] <pyros> Not much, but I just notices that I am out of space on the disk. I can free up a big chunk by deleting a virtual machine. I'm not yet sure if this will fix it, or maybe there are files missing that couldn't write during an update.
[18:47] <ianorlin> also then partition shrink won't really work as it is not free
[18:47] <ianorlin> can you try getting into recovery mode in grub?
[18:47] <ianorlin> !grub
[18:48] <pyros> I have two VMs I can delete, then shrink, start moving stuff over, and then shrink again.
[18:49] <pyros> I could be wrong (because i'm clueless about this), but I don't think it's an issue with the boot manager as it is managing to find Lubuntu okay... it has a blue lubuntu screen, then a black lubuntu screen, then hangs.
[18:49] <ianorlin> can you boot into recovery mode?
[18:50] <ianorlin> hold shift if not a dualboot
[18:50] <CrazyTB> Is there any way to save/read the (L)Ubuntu install log?
[18:50] <pyros> Not tried, but I can give that a go after I've free'd some space up. Will it help recover the OS?
[18:50] <CrazyTB> I want to save the messages to read later, to check if everything went fine.
[18:51] <pyros> CrazyTB: I can have a look, where abouts is it?
[18:51] <CrazyTB> That's my question, where is the log located? I want to just copy it.
[18:53] <pyros> I have access to the disk in media/sda1/ but I don't know which folder the log would be in.
[18:53] <Unit193> CrazyTB: /var/log/installer/ iirc.
[18:54] <pyros> It contains casper.log debug initial-status.gz media-info partman syslog and version
[18:54] <pyros> shall I pastebin one of those?
[18:55] <CrazyTB> pyros: oops, I guess I accidentally looked like I was referring to you... sorry about that!
[18:56] <ianorlin> not sure that would help with full disk
[18:56] <pyros> CrazyTB: no worries!
[18:58] <pyros> ianorlin: thanks for your help. I'll free up some space and reboot. If that doesn't work I'll try holding shift for recovery mode. If I get nowhere with that I'll wait until I get another disk, rather than risk partition shrinking my SSD. Does that sound like the best plan?
[18:59] <ianorlin> yes
[18:59] <ianorlin> be careful when deleting though
[19:00] <pyros> Okay, thank you for all your help, it's much appreciated. You saved me from losing my data by attempting to re-install lubuntu over my existing copy.
[19:03] <ianorlin> You are welcome
[20:15] <Slit> Hello nice people. Could someone help me on how to add 1280x1024 screen resolution to xorg.conf?
[20:16] <Unit193> Slit: Have you tried auto generating a xorg.conf file first?
[20:16] <Unit193> !xorgconf
[20:17] <Slit> I am in a specific position. holstein helped me. I have Powerpc mac mini, and I had problems with graphics. That is why I ahve xorg.conf
[20:18] <melodie> hi, is there a specific lubuntu-qa chan?
[20:18] <Unit193> melodie: No.
[20:18] <melodie> ok Unit193 thanks
[20:18] <Unit193> melodie: Best you have is either #ubuntu-quality or #lubuntu-offtopic
[20:18] <melodie> I have a message from french speaking buddies
[20:18] <melodie> no it is directly concerning lubuntu
[20:19] <Unit193> melodie: Sending it to their mailing list might help.
[20:19] <melodie> they say there is a bad issue with chromium in lubuntu especially
[20:19] <melodie> Unit193 yes sure
[20:19] <Unit193> Tell them to add more ram, it's chromium.
[20:19] <Unit193> Slit: Right, PPC.  Well that's fun.
[20:20] <holstein> Slit: did the vesa driver work?
[20:20] <melodie> Unit193 I try to bring him here
[20:21] <Slit> Unit193, it si fun as hell. Do you know how to add 1280x1024. I know mini can take it.
[20:21] <melodie> Unit193 it's a Lubuntu exclusive issue, all other distros don't meet with it
[20:21] <Slit> holstein my man :-) it worked fine, and wifi
[20:21] <holstein> Slit: cheers..
[20:21] <Unit193> melodie: That's not going to help if said person doesn't speak English.  File a bug on launchpad.
[20:21] <melodie> Unit193 he speaks even better than myself he is very keen in english
[20:22] <Slit> holstein do you know it how to confugure?
[20:22] <caymus> hi
[20:23] <melodie> hi caymus
[20:23] <holstein> Slit: configure what?
[20:23] <melodie> Unit193 I just talked to you about caymus  and his issue in Lubuntu with chromium
[20:23] <caymus> Do someone know what is happenig on lubuntu?, i have a strange problem,
[20:24] <holstein> caymus: i konw what is happening here on lubuntu.. what is happening to you on lubuntu? specifically?
[20:24] <caymus> i have ported one of my private Qt project form Qt 4.8 to Qt5.2
[20:24] <Slit> holstein, I want to add 1280x1024 screen reolution t xorg.conf, because mini can take it. I tryed in live cd mode?
[20:24] <caymus> the problem is, my appli use 16TeraByte virtual memory
[20:25] <holstein> Slit: ok.. edit the xorg.conf.. back that one up,a nd you can always revert to it
[20:25] <holstein> Slit: try arandr
[20:25] <caymus> i have tested on kubuntu & ubuntu, no problem 600mb virtual memory
[20:25] <caymus> else tested on archlinux lxde, no problem also
[20:25] <caymus> & found this
[20:25] <caymus> http://list-archives.org/2013/12/14/lubuntu-users-lists-ubuntu-com/latest-chromium-browser-using-high-cpu-on-any-page/f/4524267073
[20:25] <Slit> holstein, step by step. I will save xorg.conf to desktop for backup, and then what
[20:25] <caymus> same problem happen for Qt-bitcoin prject
[20:26] <holstein> caymus: its more likely you are on different versions
[20:26] <holstein> caymus: or example lubuntu 13.10, and kubuntu 12.04
[20:26] <caymus> my privat Qt project have the same behaviour than this one chromium-browser user 11% 72.1MB 16777216.0 TB
[20:26] <melodie> holstein it would not explain why here chromium eats the whole ram and elsewhere it doesn't, would it?
[20:27] <caymus> 16 TeraByte virtual memory
[20:27] <Unit193> Chromium is GTK, how would it even be related?
[20:27] <caymus> checked my code 8 hours
[20:27] <caymus> but it is happenig only on lubuntu
[20:27] <caymus> i dunno how
[20:27] <melodie> caymus do you mean "during 8 hours"? or do you mean "8 hours ago"?
[20:28] <melodie> caymus have you traced the parent processes?
[20:28] <caymus> but why on ubuntu & kubuntu , archlinux lxde this is repporting 600mb virtual memory
[20:28] <caymus> et only on lubuntu 16TeraBytes
[20:29] <caymus> i was unable to track the culprit lib but this is my little personnal project
[20:29] <caymus> http://178.32.44.120/shared/out.ogv
[20:30] <caymus> same behaviour for Qt-bitcoin & apparently for chromium related fro gtk?
[20:31] <Unit193> I don't see how this is related at all.  /usr/share/lubuntu/qt/Trolltech.conf only contains minimal config too.
[20:31] <caymus> holstein: i have tested on virtual machines
[20:32] <caymus> lubuntu 13.10 14.04 ubuntu 13.10 14.04 kubuntu 13.10 14.04 archlinux lxde kerenl 3.13
[20:32] <caymus> the problem is recursive from lubuntu 13.10 to 14.04
[20:33] <caymus> it is why i cannot track the problem also Unit193
[20:33] <caymus> i dont understand why this is happening
[20:34] <caymus> 6 hours on valgrind to track problems but i cannot understand where is the problem
[20:35] <holstein> you are thinking its with lubuntu, correct?
[20:35] <holstein> and, only lubuntu.. not main ubuntu
[20:35] <caymus> yes i suspect, or a lib
[20:35] <caymus> yes
[20:35] <holstein> so, start looking at the differences between them
[20:35] <caymus> this is not happening on ubuntu unity or kde ubuntu
[20:36] <caymus> maybe a corrupted libQt?
[20:36] <holstein> caymus: what one? the repos are the same
[20:36] <holstein> caymus: if you are adding sources, you'll need to troubleshoot those
[20:38] <caymus> yes i know but this is only a question because after search on web i found same problem for chromium dev & Qt-bitcoin dev
[20:38] <caymus> et all are related to lubuntu only
[20:38] <caymus> this is out of my scope to debug this sorry
[20:39] <holstein> caymus: are they repo packages?
[20:39] <caymus> my appli is dev from myself
[20:39] <caymus> & compiled by myself
[20:39] <holstein> caymus: there are no lubuntu specific sources.. so, if they are repo pacakges, they should, or can become the same version
[20:39] <caymus> not from repos
[20:42] <Slit> Any help with xorg.conf?
[20:42] <holstein> Slit: ?
[20:43] <holstein> Slit: *after* having backedup and copied the one that is working and "known good", just rewrite the one you have with what you want.. reboot and test..
[20:44] <holstein> Slit: unless i, or another volunteer has it here, it will likely be soemthing you will have to do on your own hardware
[20:44] <Slit> holstein, how colud I add 1280x1024 to xorg.conf. What should I write
[20:44] <holstein> Slit: go where another value is written,a nd replace that one
[20:44] <holstein> Slit: did arandr work?
[20:44] <holstein> Slit: the application arandr
[20:45] <Slit> don 't how to work with arandr
[20:45] <holstein> Slit: you install it, and run it.. and its a GUI
[20:45] <holstein> !info arandr
[20:45] <Slit> ther is no option for my screen resolution that what. I run it, and then what
[20:45] <holstein> Slit: then, you do the xorg.conf option
[20:45] <holstein> and keep in mind, the vesa driver may not support it
[20:46] <Slit> Sholud i open xorg in arandr,
[20:46] <holstein> Slit: no
[20:46] <holstein> Slit: you would back up the xorg.conf
[20:46] <holstein> then, edit it in a text editor
[20:48] <Slit> Ok, I have now opend as roo0t xorg
[20:48] <Slit> What next?
[20:51] <caymus> here the problem sorry for the delay
[20:51] <caymus> http://178.32.44.120/shared/vm-problem-scrot.png
[20:52] <caymus> on virtual memory size
[20:54] <caymus> the main os is lubuntu
[20:54] <caymus> 13.10
[20:55] <caymus> but this is also happenig into lubuntu 14.04 into virtual machines
[23:00] <wxl> ok kids i'm stuck with an apt issue i've never had before
[23:00] <wxl> apt-get update yields E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[23:01] <wxl> and that yields dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0000' near line 0: EOF after field name `'
[23:01] <wxl> supposedly sudo dpkg --clear-avail should fix this but no dice
[23:02] <Unit193> That indeed is new, what's in the file?
[23:02] <Unit193> (Looks like nothing.)
[23:02] <wxl> it's empty
[23:02] <wxl> yep :)
[23:02] <wxl> good inference
[23:02]  * wxl pats Unit193 on the head
[23:03] <Unit193> Do I get a snack?  So, remove the file.
[23:03] <wxl> well i think that's what clear-avail does
[23:03] <wxl> but i shall try that too
[23:04] <wxl> ah that did it
[23:05] <wxl> had to remove the whole of the updates subdirectory
[23:05] <wxl> weird tho
[23:07] <Unit193> Might have been good to see if all were blank, but at least it's a-workin'
[23:32] <wxl> uh
[23:32] <wxl> maybe not
[23:32] <wxl> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'procps' is missing final newline
[23:32] <wxl> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)