[16:00]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <jodh> o/
[16:01]  * cjwatson particles
[16:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb 20 16:02:02 2014 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[16:02] <slangasek> doko stokachu cjwatson jodh bdmurray barry xnox slangasek stgraber
[16:03] <slangasek> doko: here?
[16:03] <doko> - working on python 3.4 as the default updates. still a few issues, pending pack
[16:03] <doko> ages are: pystache, pyside. pytbles, aptdaemon, system-image
[16:03] <doko> - transitions ...
[16:03] <doko> - toolchain update
[16:03] <doko> (done)
[16:04] <caribou> slangasek: s/stokachu/caribou/
[16:07] <stgraber> caribou: your turn then :)
[16:07] <caribou> nothing particular on our side
[16:09] <cjwatson> Finished first pass at HTTPS support in d-i (included giant base-installer merge which took a while).  Awaiting CTS feedback before backporting to precise.
[16:09] <cjwatson> Spent most of the week in a cave hacking on libclick.  I now have over 4000 lines of C code, though a lot of it's quite formulaic translation work; should be within a week of landing this.  See FFe bug 1282311.
[16:09] <cjwatson> Went through Debian auto-sync dry-run report looking for easy and reasonably safe bug-fix syncs.  Found nearly 100.
[16:09] <cjwatson> Continued Debian TC discussions.
[16:09] <cjwatson> ..
[16:09] <jodh> * core-1311-cgroup-manager:
[16:09] <jodh>   - upstart: async tests have identified a state machine bug in the async
[16:09] <jodh>     branch which I'm currently investigating.
[16:09] <jodh> * UDS
[16:09] <jodh>   - Raised blueprints:
[16:09] <jodh>     - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1403-systemd-transition
[16:09] <jodh>     - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1403-session-init-systemd-migration
[16:09] <jodh> * boot:
[16:10]  * slangasek pokes the network
[16:10] <jodh>   - Merged lp:~cameronnemo/upstart/ipv6.
[16:10] <slangasek> so, how much of anything made it through before my network collapsed on me?
[16:10] <jodh>   - Created basic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers page.
[16:10] <jodh> փ
[16:10] <stgraber> slangasek: 16:03 < slangasek> doko: here?
[16:10] <stgraber> slangasek: I'll paste you the log
[16:10] <slangasek> heh :)
[16:10] <bdmurray> slangasek: nothing really
[16:10] <slangasek> stgraber: nah, I'll grab it from irclogs.u.c
[16:10] <stgraber> slangasek: ok
[16:11] <bdmurray> tested issue with retracers and a core dump that retraced well for me but not in canonistack (precise version of gdb)
[16:11] <bdmurray> research into failed to retrace bugs for seb128
[16:11] <bdmurray> created a duplicate signature for kerneloops reports using linux package hook
[16:11] <bdmurray> worked with ogasawara regarding oopstext and dupe signatures
[16:11] <bdmurray> uploaded apport with dupesig changes to trusty
[16:11] <bdmurray> updated apport to include package version in Package section of kerneloops crashes
[16:11] <bdmurray> uploaded kerneloops enabled package to trusty
[16:11] <bdmurray> emailed ubuntu-quality regarding kerneloops
[16:11] <bdmurray> investigation into carriage return in errors buckets and querying of cassandra issue
[16:11] <bdmurray> changed apport not to use a line feed in the duplicate signature for kerneloops'es
[16:11] <bdmurray> fixed errors issue with characters in bucket ids pertinent to kerneloops reports
[16:11] <bdmurray> research into package rate of crash changes for the phased-updater
[16:11] <bdmurray> package rate of crashes work (setup test queries using cassandra.py)
[16:11] <bdmurray> updated new and eol release tasks with error tracker information
[16:11] <bdmurray> submitted a merge proposal for aptdaemon bug 1266844
[16:11] <bdmurray> uploaded a fix for usb-creator bug 1259111
[16:11] <bdmurray> merge proposal to fix unattended-upgrades reboot dry-run bug
[16:11] <bdmurray> patch pilot
[16:11] <bdmurray> +1 maintenance
[16:11] <bdmurray> SRU admin work with carges
[16:11] <bdmurray> google hangout with server team manager regarding bug reports
[16:11] <bdmurray> ⌁ done
[16:12] <barry> system-image: LP: #1277589.  much testing, probably have a good fix in lieu of u-d-m patches.  struggling to get successful ppa build.  test suite problems with dbus-daemon that aren't evident in local sbuilds - trying again on devirt ppa, and if that doesn't work, i can sleep(2) my way around it i think.  update: looks like devirt doesn't help. :(  time 2 sleep, er. time.sleep(2)
[16:12] <barry> ubu/deb: enum34 0.9.23-1
[16:12] <barry> python: issue 20687 (expectedFailure regression affecting autopilot)
[16:12] <barry> later today: hangout chat about py3 autopilot
[16:12] <barry> done
[16:12] <xnox> * assisting ci with queries about emulator (ci has work in progress to
[16:12] <xnox>   drive emulator cloud instances to execute all tests and aggregate
[16:12] <xnox>   results)
[16:12] <xnox> * ongoing discussions about autpilot python3 migration:
[16:12] <xnox>   - write up of the plan at
[16:12] <xnox>   https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-python3-roadmap
[16:12] <xnox>   - follow up chat between autopilot, qa, and foundations later today
[16:12] <xnox> * frantically doing last-minute merges pre-FF + forwaring things to
[16:12] <xnox>   debian as applicable. And patch-piloting interesting fixes.
[16:13] <xnox> * completed all dmraid2mdadm patches, did not resolve migration path
[16:13] <xnox>   for existing dmraid installation - requested feedback on
[16:13] <xnox>   ubuntu-devel about it.
[16:13] <xnox> * fixing up artwork in a few places for 14.04:
[16:13] <xnox>   - lightdm logo (now dynamically generated)
[16:13] <xnox>   - updated d-i logo (no more vintage)
[16:13] <xnox>   - plymouth logo update pending design review (circle of friends must
[16:13] <xnox>   be orange, not aubergine)
[16:13] <xnox> * looking into reported boost test-suite failures, whilst it's
[16:13] <xnox>   interesting to see how broken the test-suites are, some of these
[16:13] <cjwatson> jodh: I made core-1403-session-init-systemd-migration depend on core-1403-systemd-transition, since systemd's session supervision support requires that systemd is pid 1
[16:13] <xnox>   problems are upstream and not distribution/specific.
[16:13] <xnox> * Working on testing grub-installer, to always honor the preseed
[16:13] <xnox>   target device for grub installation. Will upload soon.
[16:13] <xnox> ..
[16:14] <jodh> cjwatson: thanks. core-1403-session-init-systemd-migration is arguably misnamed though iff we can find a way to emulate the events that the Session Init currently gets via the upstart-event-bridge.
[16:15] <jodh> cjwatson: if that were possible, there would be no dependency.
[16:15] <cjwatson> jodh: well, there's a bidirectional dependency that might be broken one way
[16:15] <jodh> cjwatson: but clearly they are related, so I guess it makes sense for now :)
[16:15] <cjwatson> jodh: but if we wanted to use systemd as the session init as well, then there is a dependency there
[16:15] <jodh> cjwatson: ack
[16:16] <cjwatson> i.e. your c)
[16:16] <cjwatson> anyway, feel free to remove the dep if you feel appropriate, I just wanted a link to exist :)
[16:16] <jodh> cjwatson: agreed
[16:17] <slangasek> barry: do you want any more eyeballs on the system-image ppa build problem today?
[16:18] <barry> slangasek: yes, please!  it would be nice to have a proper build and not depend on ugly sleeps
[16:18] <slangasek> barry: ok, link me after the meeting please :)
[16:18] <barry> slangasek: will do
[16:18] <slangasek> barry, xnox: should I sit in on the python3 autopilot hangout later?
[16:19] <barry> slangasek: sure
[16:19] <slangasek>  * job description handed over to HR for the Java role
[16:19] <slangasek>  * heavily focused on customer-facing work this week
[16:19] <slangasek> (done)
[16:19] <slangasek> ^^ if you know any java people, send 'em my way :)
[16:19] <stgraber> LXC:
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Released rc1, rc2, rc3 and rc4.
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Prepared the release announcements, website update, ... for the final release later today.
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Switched the LXC daily PPA to building with cgmanager by default.
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Got all the tests passing both with and without cgmanager (found a couple of interesting issues in the process).
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Finished my blog post series on LXC 1.0 just in time for release.
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Fixed a ton of coverity reported issues and a few other bugs.
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Code reviews and testing of last minute changes.
[16:19] <stgraber> CGManager:
[16:19] <stgraber>  - Tested cgmanager on all supported releases and now happily using it on precise!
[16:20] <stgraber>  - Started working on patches to our logind so it can use cgmanager and skip cgroupfs entirely.
[16:20] <stgraber> Other:
[16:20] <stgraber>  - Fixed a couple of issues with shadow and user namespaces (don't give uid/gid ranges to system users and give 65536 uids by default to others).
[16:20] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:21] <xnox> slangasek: if you have time, it might be interesting =) as some of us have conflicting opinions of what autopilot is and what's the long term future for python2-autopilot is.
[16:22] <slangasek> xnox, barry: the whiteboard on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-python3-roadmap is a good starting point, but maybe it would help to have a wiki page writeup that goes into more detail, before the meeting, to explain how the outlined steps get us to where we want to be
[16:23] <slangasek> any questions over status above?
[16:24] <slangasek> caribou: sorry, irclogs.u.c is unhelpfully not refreshing for me, so I don't see if you had a chance to talk during the lightning round
[16:24] <caribou> slangasek: yes I did, nothing particular at this time
[16:24] <slangasek> ok
[16:24] <barry> slangasek, cjwatson well, maybe the devirt ppa *did* work: https://launchpad.net/~barry/+archive/systemimage/+build/5621116
[16:25] <slangasek> barry: ... "fun" :)
[16:25] <slangasek> why do you people keep writing software that's sensitive to the differences between our different ppas, sheesh :)
[16:25] <barry> slangasek: there are still a few dbus errors in the output, but these ones don't affect test suite.  shall we declare victory and move on? :)
[16:25] <slangasek> barry: yes
[16:25] <xnox> barry: you can do binary copy into the archive from de-virt ppa without recompilation =)
[16:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] FeatureFreeze
[16:25] <slangasek> speaking of moving on
[16:25] <cjwatson> barry: random guesses 'r' us.  let's hope it isn't racy though
[16:26] <slangasek> xnox: :P
[16:26] <barry> cjwatson: i'm very good at hitting "retry" :)
[16:26] <slangasek> I don't think there was any pre-announcement of it this time around, but lo, today is the feature freeze for trusty
[16:26] <xnox> slangasek: i have a few packages that do [ -e /CurrentlyBuilding ] &&
[16:26] <slangasek> so, y'know, adjust your uploading accordingly
[16:27] <xnox> slangasek: so what's the qt5.2 status w.r.t. FF then?
[16:27] <barry> xnox: that's the thing. it *only* fails on the virt ppas
[16:27] <slangasek> a very good question
[16:27]  * barry blames hardy
[16:27] <slangasek> there are certainly a number of packages that we're looking for standing FFes for wrt the phone
[16:28] <slangasek> I think we still need to get qt5.2 in... but it's obviously not made it in before the FF
[16:29] <slangasek> I'll be checking with ScottK to understand how this impacts the non-phone
[16:29] <xnox> barry: re-autopilot a list of all affected packages/branches would be good: e.g. emulators and clicks.
[16:29] <xnox> slangasek: right, there are very little Qt5 !touch packages in the archive.
[16:29] <barry> xnox: i had that once, before the london rain washed it all away.  will try to resurrect it
[16:30] <slangasek> xnox: any chance you can tell at a glance which ones are !touch?  I couldn't work it out from the names alone
[16:30] <xnox> slangasek: however, KDE Framework5 is planned to be released shortly after 14.04 and it is expected that kubuntu will want to provide 5.2 based framework5 via blessed kubuntu PPAs.
[16:30] <xnox> slangasek: i'll do that quickly.
[16:31] <slangasek> xnox: ok, so it's to their advantage to have 5.2 in and stable for 14.04, and it won't (in theory) disrupt anything they're currently working on
[16:31] <xnox> slangasek: correct.
[16:32] <slangasek> good to hear - we'll still want to confirm that with the kubuntu team directly, but at least it sounds like we have a way forward in spite of the late landing
[16:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] UDS
[16:32] <slangasek> UDS is only 3 weeks away
[16:33] <slangasek> while it's ok to not have a lot of new discussion sessions mid-cycle - I'm sure we all have plenty of work items still from the blueprints at last UDS - if you *do* have topics you think we need to discuss, please get the blueprints registered this week
[16:34] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:34] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:36] <slangasek> fwiw, see your email regarding an upcoming sprint that's being planned
[16:36] <slangasek> the dates are a bit awkward for those in the US/UK
[16:37] <slangasek> any questions, you can grab me on mumble or IRC :)
[16:38] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 16:38:51 2014 UTC.
[16:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-20-16.02.moin.txt
[16:38] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[16:38] <barry> thanks!
[16:38] <jodh> thanks!
[16:39] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:01] <czajkowski> cprofitt: dholbach mhall119 ping
[17:01] <cub> hi
[17:01] <mhall119> here
[17:01] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb 20 17:02:10 2014 UTC.  The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:02] <czajkowski> aloha and welcome to this weeks Community Council meeting
[17:02] <dholbach> o/
[17:02] <czajkowski> this weeks meeting we're meeting with Xubuntu folks
[17:03] <czajkowski> anyone here from the team ?
[17:03]  * cprofitt raises hand
[17:03] <cprofitt> just made it
[17:03] <cprofitt> not from the Xubuntu team though
[17:03] <czajkowski> anyone here from the Xubuntu team ?
[17:03] <czajkowski> if not we can move onto the next item and come back
[17:04] <czajkowski> Anyone here from the Ubuntu studio ?
[17:04] <cub> o/
[17:04] <czajkowski> cub: aloha there
[17:04] <cub> though I had hoped zequence would make it.
[17:04] <mhall119> hi cub
[17:04] <cub> hi all
[17:04] <czajkowski> cub: so how are things?
[17:04] <cprofitt> hello cub
[17:05] <czajkowski> cub: are you able to fill us in on how things are going ?
[17:05] <dholbach> is Xubuntu ready for Feature Freeze? :)
[17:05] <cub> Well, the team is quite small at the moment. I believe only zequence and Ovenwerks are doing the development, madeinkobaia (art lead) is working on the new look for Trusty
[17:05] <cub> Myself have been focusing on getting the accessibility working for the iso installation
[17:06] <dholbach> oh... sorry - we're talking about Ubuntu Studio right now?
[17:07] <cub> I was writing about Ubuntu Studio, yes.
[17:07] <dholbach> sorry about that... I got a bit confused :)
[17:07] <cub> There was discussions and plans to work more the Studio workflows but time and resources have been scarce so
[17:08] <dholbach> in that case... did the Ubuntu Studio team get everything in they needed before the Feature Freeze?
[17:08] <cub> As far as I know, yes.
[17:08] <cub> I'm not entirely up to date though.
[17:09] <cub> So perhaps zequence had something with the -controls left, I'm not sure.
[17:11] <cub> There have been some issues with the low latency kernel and booting the iso's, I know zequence is involved in that
[17:11] <dholbach> Did you get feedback from testers of trusty already? Are they happy so far?
[17:12] <cub> all testing that has been done have been within the team
[17:12] <cub> we have got some good feedback from the community on applications to include
[17:13] <cub> but no feedback on direct testing so far.
[17:13] <dholbach> ok
[17:13] <cub> Then again, Ubuntu Studio is not part of the Alpha releases so it's Daily releases until Beta
[17:13] <czajkowski> cub: nods good to know
[17:13] <dholbach> ah ok, makes sense
[17:13] <dholbach> do you feel the team got everything worked out you planned for this cycle? or is on track?
[17:14] <cub> I believe so, the plans were narrowed down.
[17:15] <cub> As FF is today, myself will focus on looking into the release management as smartboyhw left earlier to focus on his studies.
[17:15] <cub> I know the Xubuntu team has good progress on the automatic tests..?
[17:16] <cub> I think Ubuntu Studio could make use of that too, especially since we usually have a small number of tests outside of the team
[17:16] <dholbach> yeah, I think I saw a merge proposal by elfy for some tests somewhere, but I might be misremembering
[17:17] <cub> Exactly, elfy and zequence had some discussions
[17:18] <czajkowski> cub: is there anything the CC can help the team with ?
[17:18] <cub> As for when the release draws closer, we started out earlier to make plans to make more use of Youtube for turotials
[17:18] <cub> At the moment I think it's on track
[17:21] <cub> So, as far as I know, there nothing on the agenda to bring up to the CC.
[17:23] <czajkowski> cub: thank you for taking the time to come and talk to us
[17:23] <czajkowski> any other questions folks?
[17:23] <dholbach> keep up the good work - I'm sure 14.04 is going to be a great release for Ubuntu Studio!
[17:23] <cprofitt> yes, thanks for the updates cub please continue your efforts
[17:23] <cub> Thank you!
[17:24] <czajkowski> Anyone want to bring any questions up to the CC while we're here
[17:25] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[17:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 17:25:57 2014 UTC.
[17:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-02-20-17.02.moin.txt
[17:25] <czajkowski> thank you folks
[17:27] <zequence> I'm a bit late, it seems :)
[17:27] <cub> =)
[17:28] <zequence> On getting everything in for FF, I'm still waiting to get ubuntustudio-live sponsored
[17:28] <zequence> dholbach: ^
[17:28] <dholbach> can you ask in #ubuntu-devel to get this sponsored? I won't have time today to look into this :/
[17:29] <zequence> dholbach: np
[17:29] <dholbach> thanks!
[18:38] <CommandNx_2_16> so?
[18:38] <CommandNx_2_16> hi!
[19:43] <CommandNx_2_16> =-O