[00:34] <diddledan> why didn't triple channel ram stick around?
[00:34] <diddledan> seems odd that the i7 came out of the blocks with 3-channel and then the subsequent generation i7 didn't
[00:35] <directhex> well
[00:35] <directhex> there was i7 9xx, which was xeon in disguise
[00:36] <directhex> and there was i7 8xx, which was i5 in a fancy coat
[00:36] <diddledan> the system I have to the right of my hands is an i7 920
[00:36] <diddledan> first-gen i7
[00:38] <directhex> sandy bridge 3xxx and ivy bridge 4xxx follow the same pattern of being xeons, on socket 2011 instead of 1155
[00:38] <directhex> and also support more than dual channel memory
[00:38] <daftykins> i love that i had to wiggle my graphics card and SSD SATA cable today to get my machine to boot \o/
[00:38] <daftykins> (again)
[00:38] <daftykins> *sandy 2xxx and ivy 3xxx ?
[00:39] <daftykins> ah no, they bumped the numbering D:
[00:39] <daftykins> how rude
[05:47] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:08] <mapps> hey
[06:21] <shauno> o/
[06:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:56] <mapps> morning MooDoo  sup mate
[07:02] <MooDoo> mapps: aye not bad mapps, yourself?
[07:19] <mapps> not bad just watching last nights tv
[07:19] <mapps> workaholics men at work and now criminal minds
[07:21] <MooDoo> cool, think I was in bed by 9 last night, long day lol
[07:23] <jussi> Ive had like 3 hours sleep. Little girl decided to be up for a long time... :/
[07:27] <MooDoo> jussi: my kids are with their grandparents at the moment, so no kids in the house last night
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:41] <jussi> MooDoo: would you like some lemon juice to rub in with that salt?
[07:41] <MooDoo> lol
[07:42] <jussi> MooDoo: payback... you just lost the game.
[07:43] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:48] <MooDoo> morning knightwise
[07:48] <MooDoo> jussi: 0 - 1 to you then :p
[08:25] <diplo> Morning all
[08:26] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> cool - a neutron star travelling at 5million mph ;-) (Which is *only* ~0.0074677145 C)
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/neutron-star-spotted-moving-5-million-mph-trailing-particle-jet/
[08:49] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: do we need a drilling team to go stop it hitting us?
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> try catching it ;-)
[09:13] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Love Your Pet Day! :-D
[09:23] <MooDoo> JamesTait: morning
[09:23] <MooDoo> JamesTait: do electronic pets count?
[09:25] <JamesTait> MooDoo, do electric sheep dream of androids?
[09:26] <MooDoo> JamesTait: maybe the jelly bean variety, although they may be slightly addicted to kit kats now ;)
[09:29] <JamesTait> MooDoo, heathens! Why haven't they switched to Ubuntu Touch yet? ;)
[09:32] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:32] <czajkowski> hmmm all my keybindings for irc are gone
[09:32] <czajkowski> booo
[09:33] <czajkowski> how are folks?
[09:35] <bigcalm> Wobbly
[09:35] <JamesTait> Tired.
[09:38] <MooDoo> I'm fine :D
[09:43]  * jussi waves to czajkowski
[09:43] <czajkowski> jussi: aloha
[09:43] <czajkowski> hows you
[09:44] <jussi> czajkowski: not bad, tired after elodi was up half the night, but otherwise good :))
[09:44] <jussi> czajkowski: and you?
[09:44] <MooDoo> czajkowski: how's the job?  you seem to be well busy at the moment.
[09:46] <czajkowski> not bad thanks
[09:46] <czajkowski> been a busy few weeks, heading to NYC in 2 weeks to work from there
[09:46] <czajkowski> kinda nice to be abe to work with the rest of my team who are all based in an office
[09:47] <MooDoo> wow sounds aweseome, need a tea boy?
[09:47] <czajkowski> aww feeling loved this morning randall made a reference to me via databases in his amplify the sound post
[09:47] <MooDoo> everyone loves you czajkowski
[09:47] <czajkowski> I should feel honoured that he even saw my post :p
[09:47] <czajkowski> MooDoo: LOL
[09:47] <czajkowski> eh no
[09:48] <MooDoo> czajkowski: well that's my being nice for the day done ;)  enjoy NYC it's awesome there :D  bacon and maple syrup hmmmmmm
[09:48] <czajkowski> indeed
[09:49] <czajkowski> every 3 months I go for a week with the new gig
[09:49] <MooDoo> lucky lady
[09:49] <czajkowski> the other half is coming this time and we're staying out an extra few days to do some tourist stuff
[09:49] <MooDoo> brill :)
[09:52] <jussi> only time I have been in NYC was when there was that ash cloud thing around UDS and I had to spend 1 night in some random airport hotel
[09:53] <MooDoo> jussi: I went for my honey moon in 2007, seems ages ago, but loved it while I was there, SF next I think
[09:53] <jussi> MooDoo: My next major destination will be home again... (australia)
[09:54] <jussi> of course after my UK trip in a few weeks
[09:54] <czajkowski> jussi: moving back or holiday ?
[09:54] <MooDoo> jussi: nice, my brother in law is from oz, and I have another friend out there as well
[09:54] <czajkowski> jussi: when are you in the UK and where?
[09:54] <jussi> czajkowski: Manchester/liverpool area, 7-11 march.
[09:54] <jussi> czajkowski: holiday
[09:55] <jussi> czajkowski: I guess one day we will move there - I want Elodi to experience it
[09:55] <popey> morning slackers
[09:55] <jussi> popey: speak for yourself
[09:56] <foobarry> elodi...nice name
[09:56] <jussi> foobarry: thanks! :D
[09:56] <foobarry> i like the french version particualrly
[09:57] <popey> there's a "Sunshine" at my kids school
[09:58] <jussi> and Gwyneth Paltrow has "Apple"
[09:58] <MooDoo> god theres is alsorts at my kids school, chesleas chardonnay hepsibar all sorts
[09:58] <jussi> a reasonable common finnish name is "Armi" :)
[09:59] <bigcalm> I went to primary school with an Astra
[09:59] <popey> I went in a Marina ☻
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[09:59] <foobarry> i went in a princess
[09:59] <shauno> oh my
[09:59] <jussi> bigcalm: I went to secondary school with a Joseph Kerr... Joe Kerr :)
[09:59] <foobarry> dick ranking
[10:00] <shauno> aye, we have a joe king
[10:00] <MooDoo> seymour buttz!
[10:00] <jussi> and I ll always remember the guy that won the local speedway when I was there: Wayne King!
[10:00] <bigcalm> Amanda Hugnkiss
[10:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> My eldest son has a friend at his school. His **first** name is...
[10:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Montybear
[10:04] <MooDoo> When my wife was pregnant with child #1 her bump was called marsha, my surname is mellors ;)
[10:04] <MooDoo> my mum believed we were calling baby marsha :)
[10:06] <bigcalm> MooDoo: and why didn't you?
[10:06] <MooDoo> bigcalm: don't like the name marsha for a boy :)
[10:06] <bigcalm> Pishtosh
[10:06] <MooDoo> lol
[10:07] <czajkowski> that's an interesting thread on ubuntu-uk re restart on shutdown
[10:07] <czajkowski> I've had that issues since Saucy and the same on Trusty
[10:07] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I do however have a Rosie and Jim[my]
[10:07] <czajkowski> I've tried various ppas but cannot pin point it
[10:08] <bigcalm> MooDoo: \o/
[10:14] <MooDoo> bigcalm: although jimmy moans at me if I call him Jim :D
[10:20] <czajkowski> random poll:  what is the one thing you love to see at a conference that isn't a talk, the extra little perks like rooms to go and sit in and chat, or charge your laptop
[10:21] <popey> oscon had an area of tables with power
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> yes, lots and lots of power! :)
[10:22] <czajkowski> popey: oh nice idea
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> a spot outside that's *not* full of smokers
[10:24] <popey> yeah, make smokers do the walk of shame before lghting up
[10:24] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: ah interesting idea!
[10:24] <czajkowski> never even thought of that one
[10:25] <popey> T screens with the schedule on, updating to show the current thing, and not past things
[10:25] <popey> like we have at UDS
[10:26] <czajkowski> I do love them and miss them when not at an event now
[10:27] <czajkowski> kinda spoilt by how slick we had gotten UDS
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:28] <MooDoo> mornin brobostigon
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:33] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon
[10:33] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad, still half asleep, and you?
[10:34] <MooDoo> brobostigon: I'm ok thanks, just debating if I should purchase paulmellors.technology as a domain.
[10:34] <brobostigon> interesting a domain, how much is it?
[10:34] <foobarry> .technology? but of a mouthful
[10:35] <foobarry> why not .tech ?
[10:35] <MooDoo> yeah there a load of GTLs that have been released bike camera clothing etc
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: paulmellors.pro
[10:36] <MooDoo> tempted to have ubuntu.guru for a tech support site [after making sure it's ok with canonical of course] ;)
[10:36] <brobostigon> does *.pmt exist ? my initials happen to be that, unfortunatly.
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: .mt is Malta
[10:36] <brobostigon> p.mt
[10:36] <MooDoo> http://pastebin.com/WA3d2RNP
[10:36] <foobarry> pricey
[10:38] <MooDoo> ubuntu.guru already gone lol
[10:43] <jussi> Hrm, maybe I should go grab a few more jussi01.$something
[10:43] <jussi> :D
[10:45] <shauno> most of them look pretty terrible.  it's odd to think that this is the result of a whole long fight
[10:46] <MooDoo> shauno: there are a lot more coming, these are the first to have been made available.
[10:49] <brobostigon> thought up a new hashtag #sadmanonatrackwereckinslowmotion
[10:49] <brobostigon>  #sadmanonatrainwreckinslowmotion thats better
[10:51] <shauno> I'll admit it .. I don't get it
[10:52] <MooDoo> shauno: me neither, something about a as dman on at rain wreckin slo moti ion?
[10:52] <MooDoo> ion cannon do you think ;)
[10:52] <brobostigon>  #sad-man-on-a-train-wreck-in-slow-motion
[10:53] <MooDoo> brobostigon: I know I was having a joke
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> jussi: jussi01.museum
[10:53] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i know, :)
[10:53] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: is he that old?
[10:54] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I've just got ubuntu.technology :)
[10:55] <dogmatic69> anyone see an issue here? $ if [ ! -z $files -a $files != " " ] ; then echo "Str" ; fi ;
[10:55] <dogmatic69> -sh: [: too many arguments
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: that happens if $files contains $IFS (whitespace)
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: "$files" should fix that
[10:55] <jussi> If I had any money I would buy jussi.today
[10:56] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS:  thanks, think its is whitespace
[10:56] <dogmatic69> totally works, thanks
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: shell variable interpolation is scary stuff, I always surround it by "" :)
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> "${VAR}"
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> the {} in that are only required if "$FOO" would be ambiguous (say, $FOO_bar -> ${FOO}_bar)
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> I find it much better to always enclose var in {}.
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Habitt forming
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> \t\
[11:02] <jussi> MooDoo: was it you who ran the domain registrar?
[11:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/globbingref.html
[11:03] <MooDoo> jussi: I work for Heart Internet I don't run anything :D
[11:34] <MooDoo> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[11:34] <jussi> MooDoo: sssh, we are trying to sleep here - its the middle of the work day!
[11:35] <shauno> not allowed to sleep, I kept getting nasty emails about my snoring.  just trying to look busy until lunchtime!
[11:36] <brobostigon> coffee and MC shauno ?
[11:36] <MooDoo> I'm trying to stay awake, reading canonicals page on licensing lol
[11:37] <MooDoo> actually their intellectual property rights policy
[11:37] <shauno> that's not going to keep you awake :(
[11:38] <MooDoo> shauno: it is with the IV coffee I have as well ;)
[11:38] <brobostigon> caffeine iv, wow.
[11:39] <shauno> I recall looking into that.  the primary hurdle is that the FDA won't okay it because you can't promise the exact contents of the coffee - too much natural variation
[11:40] <brobostigon> i see.
[11:40] <MooDoo> shauno: might give it a try see what happens ;) just need to pick the right coffee i suppose
[11:41] <brobostigon> borrow distilation equipment to remove the caffeine from the coffee.
[11:41] <MooDoo> kinda defeats the object doesn't it ;)
[11:41] <shauno> and start with espresso as it has a lower TDS ;)
[11:41] <brobostigon> :)
[11:46] <MooDoo> shauno: I think an experiment is in order, can I borrow your arm for a bit ;)
[11:47] <shauno> not sure I'd make a good test subject.  my coffee to blood ratio is already out of whack
[11:49] <shauno> reminds me of many moons ago, when I was even more stupid than I am now.  I tried snorting instant coffee.  do not recommend.
[11:51] <MooDoo> pmsl you daft bugger :D
[11:52] <shauno> it's nowhere near as interesting as it sounds either.  snort, sneeze, spend 3 hours trying to clean the kitchen before mum gets home
[11:57] <MooDoo> lol
[11:58] <knightwise> I should give that coffee mix a try that cory doctorow talks about in Little Brother
[12:00] <MooDoo> the last wierd coffee I tasted was called rocket fuel with guarana in it
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> guano?
[12:30] <diplo> MooDoo: the guy I work with drinks that
[12:30] <diplo> Rocket Fuel
[12:31] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah was nice if I remember
[12:33] <shauno> I really need to order moar coffe :/  bah
[12:33] <shauno> I really need to find somewhere local instead of ordering it from the UK every month.  feels a bit silly
[12:34] <diplo> I can't drink coffee :(
[12:34] <MooDoo> diplo: how come?
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> not since the accident
[12:40] <jussi> I so read that wrong... though that what MartijnVdS said was from MooDoo, then diplo's statement becomes very funny
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident
[12:43] <diplo> Sorry MooDoo was on the phone, makes me gag.. never looked into it more.. I'd like to though, not sure what causes it
[12:45] <jussi> seriously, anyone who descriibes themselves as a "thought leader" makes me feel uncomfortable..
[12:49] <shauno> good news, there's a tld for that!  uncomfortablethoughtleader.sexy
[12:53] <bigcalm> .sexy is a tld now?
[12:54] <shauno> it seems so
[12:55] <shauno> http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/sexy.html
[12:58] <jussi> lol
[12:59] <jussi> perhaps I should buy code.sexy :P
[13:00] <shauno> I almost want a .sexy email address just to make reading it out over the phone even more awkward than .me.uk
[13:01] <knightwise> Whahaha :)
[13:01] <marxjohnson> "Yes, my email address is... shauno@ur.sexy"
[13:02] <marxjohnson> "@ what, sorry?" "U R DOT SEXY"
[13:02] <marxjohnson> hours of fun
[13:02] <knightwise> I would like "@heythere.sexy"
[13:04] <MooDoo> in that can I want @im2.sexy
[13:04] <marxjohnson> myshirt@im2.sexy
[13:04] <shauno> I may be a child, but it makes even the most boring documents funny.  "your use of the sexy registry" and "sexy special conditions"
[13:04] <MooDoo> marxjohnson: damn you, beat me to it :D
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> marxjohnson: doctor@tardis.sexy ?
[13:07] <knightwise> im2sexy .. now there is a nice name for a company
[13:07] <knightwise> 2smart4U
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: So, I get 2 small cars?
[13:08] <jussi> prince@im2.sexy
[13:08] <jussi> Im waiting for .funky ....
[13:08] <jussi> :D
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> jussi: what about under.construction - http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/construction.html
[13:10] <jussi> damn, I like it!
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> booze.cruises? http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/cruises.html
[13:10] <jussi> HAHA
[13:10] <jussi> no.construction?
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> (jussi: Finland<->Estonia ferries, for instance)
[13:10] <jussi> MartijnVdS: got it in one...
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> jussi: ah yes, with your Finnishnes
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> s
[13:11] <jussi> I think they need a .bus - that could have some incredibly funny ones :D
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/buzz.html
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> jussi: close enough?
[13:11] <jussi> haha
[13:12] <jussi> hrm, anyone for a nice internet rumour? http://is.gd/0HMoQS
[13:29] <bigcalm> My current desktop background: http://wallpapers.net/sandwich-wallpapers.html
[13:30] <bigcalm> I am salivating now
[13:30] <bigcalm> Think I'd have to eat it with a knife and fork though
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> I bet they have an electronic (after)taste
[13:33] <bigcalm> I tend not to eat jpegs
[13:36] <shauno> you're missing out
[13:37] <shauno> jussi: that rumour is impressive.  it actually takes some effort to make blogspot look that bad
[13:37] <jussi> shauno: yup :D
[13:44] <directhex> http://tf2wiki.net/ww/images/5/51/SandvichVidSplash.png
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> what's the best use for those useless "cards" you get while playing?
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> I've been selling them for €0,05 each
[13:48] <shauno> I've been ignoring them and assuming they'll go away
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> shauno: you can sell them for store credit
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> for some games, you get €0,10/card, for some only €0,05 or less
[13:51] <shauno> ugh, I hate when it locks me out.  how am I meant to know what my password is?!
[13:52] <jussi> haha
[13:52] <jussi> aaaw directhe` lost his x?
[13:53] <directhe`> nah, lost a y
[13:53] <directhe`> ` plus y makes x
[13:53] <jussi> hehe
[13:53] <jussi> hah!
[13:54] <Laney> λ'
[13:54] <Laney> or something
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> Laney: lambda prime?
[13:57] <Laney> ` is in the wrong place to add to a y
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> λ' looks like something you'd use while deriving
[14:01] <directhe`> ʎ
[14:03] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:08] <knightwi1e> hmm
[14:09] <knightwi1e> netsplittings again
[14:15] <MooDoo> yay
[14:16] <MooDoo> welcome back all
[14:52] <cocoa117> when you do "kill $PID" what signal does the kill command send to the PID?
[14:59] <directhex> SIGTERM
[15:00] <TwistedLucidity> 15 in numbers IIRC
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> kill -l :)
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> but yeah what directhex said
[15:07] <TwistedLucidity> You could alias "murder", "maim", "assassinate" etc.
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> "terminate"
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> "re-educate"
[15:28] <daubers> Afternoon
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> \o daubster
[15:34] <bigcalm> Revoked - K.I.L.L.E.D. - revoked
[15:35] <dwatkins> alias bloominwell='sudo'
[15:43]  * daubers found a way to majorly cheer himself up
[15:43] <daubers> other than losing the ability to spell
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> daubers: is it SFW?
[15:52] <dwatkins> loud music?
[15:55] <cocoa117> the main bash script have wait at the end of it, it will wait till two subprocess die or finish their job before exit itslef. This way the main script can use trap to clean the other subporcess. when the main script with & at the end, it background the process. why when i kill the main process, i have to fg it before it disappear in process list?
[15:56] <awilkins> Anyone know Haskell?
[15:56] <awilkins> I want to patch Pandoc to do implicit header references in a case-insensitive manner
[15:56] <awilkins> So you don't have to do [topic header](#topic-header)   to reference # Topic Header
[15:57] <awilkins> Only Haskell turns out to be scarier than Perl
[15:57] <awilkins> I've found the relevant piece of code, which is usually the hardest part of making any patch
[15:57] <awilkins> Only I honestly haven't a clue how to change it :-)
[15:58] <TwistedLucidity> // Here be dragons
[16:04] <awilkins> Haskell comment string is --
[16:04] <awilkins> -- Here be a twisted labyrinth of functional code
[16:06] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Indeed! I resigned \o/
[16:11] <awilkins> Ouch, scripting language dev frameworks
[16:11] <awilkins> < 50MB of packages
[16:11] <awilkins> > 500MB of disk space
[16:22] <shauno> I'm not sure resigning is actually sfw
[16:26] <popey> daubers: where you off to?
[16:47] <Azelphur> Is anyone noticing issues with namecheap DNS resolution this morning?
[16:54] <shauno> Azelphur: it's 5pm
[16:55] <Azelphur> good point, my time zone is ruined
[16:55] <shauno> you want to be careful with that.  you'll end up e-socializing with australians
[16:56] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:56] <shauno> but no, my only dns issues in the last 48 hours have been gandi laughing at my creditcard
[16:58] <Azelphur> fun
[16:58] <shauno> eh, they're not wrong.  vacations do that
[17:02] <shauno> unrelated gripe; why does paste.ubuntu.com require me to login to launchpad to grab something as raw/plaintext?
[17:03] <ali1234> because hackers were using it to host dodgy files
[17:03] <awilkins> I'd imagine it's to stop it being used for filesharing
[17:04] <bashrc> yes probably
[17:04] <shauno> it's the only pastebin that requires this :/  and not being able to wget|grep is quite annoying when someone sends me a chunk of log
[17:04] <bashrc> if I put a pastebin on my server I'd also have a login in front of it
[17:04] <shauno> if I had a pastebin on my own server, I'd be the only one pasting to it
[17:05] <shauno> but pastebin.com, github's gists, paste.debian.net, etc don't require this
[17:06] <shauno> just came up because I pointed someone to a different pastebin because I can't search their logs well from ubuntu's
[17:24] <xalyy> Helo
[17:25] <xalyy> Can somebody tell me how can I apply new unique IP to my VM's? I bought several ip's with my dedicated
[17:25] <xalyy> Ty
[17:27] <shauno> I have a feeling you need to google proxmox+bridge.  I can't tell you much more than that due to a) not knowing proxmox, and b) alcohol
[17:30] <shauno> Azelphur: saw this elsewhere, thought it may be relevant
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[17:31] <popey> neuro: so do i have to pay for multiple live accounts if my kids want to play with their friends but not on my id?
[17:32] <neuro> on a 360, yeah, i think so
[17:33] <xalyy> Im back
[17:33] <xalyy> Proxmox + bridge
[17:33] <neuro> xbox one has a home sharing thing where if there is a live account registered on the system, all the other accounts can use live services from that console
[17:34] <neuro> shauno: b) ... hehe
[17:34] <neuro> xalyy: good luck getting blocks of IPv4 without having to spend tons of cash
[17:35] <xalyy> ?
[17:35] <xalyy> What you mean?
[17:35] <xalyy> Bought 13 ipv4 for 4$
[17:35] <neuro> what, you got a whole /28? wheee :)
[17:35] <shauno> neuro: friday is my only day off, and then I'm back to 12hr shifts for saturday through friday.  so yes.  tatranskýčaj ftw
[17:35] <neuro> shauno: oof
[17:35] <xalyy> And the joke is that download speed is 60mb/sec :D
[17:36] <shauno> he doesn't need more than a /28, he's trying to put 10 VM guests on one host
[17:36] <neuro> xalyy: is that all?
[17:36] <xalyy> Yes
[17:37] <xalyy> So
[17:37] <neuro> unlucky
[17:37] <xalyy> Just need to create a new vm with bridged mode? :)
[17:39] <shauno> most likely, yes.  there's a chance it'll work just with ip_forwarding on the host, but most VM messes use bridging these days.  hopefully google would lead you to docs outlining the various scenarios / pros-cons though
[17:40] <shauno> you must realise you're getting more and more specific, so you'll need to start depending on either the docs, or a proxmox-versed community (or both) very very soon.  if not last week.  so I can only do generalized answers, not spoonfeeding
[17:40] <xalyy> Wow looks like its complicated
[17:40] <neuro> mmm, spoon
[17:42] <neuro> that reminds me, i really keep meaning to upgrade my esxi box at some point
[17:42] <neuro> and migrate the boot/root onto a usb doohickey
[17:43] <shauno> no you don't.  they're pushing the web UI harder and harder.
[17:43] <neuro> i never use it
[17:43] <neuro> i just use vsphere client
[17:43] <shauno> that's the problem
[17:43] <xalyy> Ok lets hope it works ty
[17:44] <neuro> i'm mainly doing it because the hdd it's installed on is a bit broken
[17:44] <neuro> stupid cost cutting zoostorm pc
[17:44] <shauno> don't hope, read.  the internet is practically designed for documentation
[17:44] <shauno> (and kittens)
[17:44] <neuro> all my VMs are on an iscsi datastore, but they still occasionally screw up because something in exsi goes bad due to an hdd timeout
[17:44] <shauno> neuro: last I heard they're trying to push the web client over the 'real' client, and hoping to the deities that the web client catches up in time
[17:45] <neuro> makes sense
[17:45] <neuro> i really only keep my vostro with win7 pro around because of vsphere
[17:45] <shauno> it does and it doesn't.  it would, if the web client wasnt' pants
[17:45] <neuro> well there's that ;)
[17:46] <mapps> hi folks
[17:46] <neuro> GUTEN ABEND!!!
[17:46] <mapps> ';]
[17:48] <neuro> i wrote some C# last night
[17:48] <neuro> i feel filthy
[17:49] <mapps> never ever tried it mysekf
[17:49] <neuro> was trying to make a .NET Web.UI login box appear more attractive using bootstrap
[17:49] <neuro> what a total total total pain in le bum
[17:50] <neuro> had to extend a validation error class, had to try and rip out as much of the crappy skinning .NET applies (I mean tables, for heaven's sake)
[17:51] <mapps> hmm
[17:52] <mapps> why doesnt sudo work for me?
[17:53] <neuro> took me ages to go from this https://www.dropbox.com/s/u4hn1xdflm25r6r/Screenshot%202014-02-20%2017.52.32.png to this https://www.dropbox.com/s/zsr64jicc9wynd9/Screenshot%202014-02-20%2017.52.44.png
[17:54] <bigcalm> Twitter bootstrap!
[17:55] <neuro> yus
[17:55] <neuro> and font awesome
[17:55] <bigcalm> Making the world a saner place
[17:55] <neuro> indeed
[17:55] <neuro> all the .NET stuff is still locked in the era of tables for formatting :(
[17:55] <bigcalm> Is that the Ubuntu font?
[17:55] <neuro> no, it's Open Sans
[17:55] <neuro> oh, sorry
[17:55] <neuro> Inconsolate
[17:55] <neuro> Inconsolata (tch)
[17:56] <neuro> http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Inconsolata
[17:56] <neuro> i tend to use typekit for my own stuff, but this is for work, so googlefonts = free ;)
[18:04] <shauno> neuro: I'm sorry you have to use .net.  accept a platonic hug.  /dcc SEND neuro hug.
[18:04] <neuro> yeah, it's for our internal stuff that predates me by a long chalk
[18:06] <shauno> I've apparently turned into a minor deity for a few of our internal teams, which has turned out useful for such issues.  I no longer care if it predates me, or if it violates various policies; people will stand behind me
[18:06] <neuro> :)
[18:08] <shauno> it started off when I kinda became "the other knowledgebase", which was messy
[18:08] <shauno> and then I managed to bring on a US acronym as a customer that beat our next 2 years targets in one day, and now I have managers that adore me too
[18:09] <shauno> it's turned into a really, really weird situation tbh
[18:10] <mapps> why on earth cant i run sudo under my normal user ac
[18:11] <mapps> just says try again wrong pass rubbish
[18:11] <shauno> but the plus side is that I can get away with almost anything that doesn't break german privacy laws
[18:11] <neuro> mapps: you're not a member of the admin group?
[18:11] <neuro> or you're not specifically mentioned in sudoers?
[18:11] <shauno> mapps: tail /var/log/auth.log  ?
[18:11] <neuro> shauno: "the other knowledgebase" ... oooh, dangerous :)
[18:11] <mapps> yea there's no admin group BUT user mark is a member of the group sudo and group sudo has ALL in /etc/sudoers
[18:11] <shauno> I know, I can't type right now
[18:11] <mapps> i lso added an entry for mark specifically..but still didnt work
[18:12] <neuro> is this ubuntu?
[18:12] <mapps> well xubuntu
[18:12] <mapps> but same thing huh?
[18:12] <neuro> hmm
[18:12] <neuro> should be, i would have thought
[18:12] <mapps> yea
[18:13] <shauno> our issue is that we've turned "our" team into various global teams; china, india, brazil, US, etc.  and if they hit something that isn't documented, they know I'll answer
[18:13] <shauno> mapps: paste your entry for mark?
[18:13] <mapps> 2sec
[18:14] <neuro> you should go on holiday for a month and see what happens ;)
[18:14] <shauno> also, verify the permissions for /etc/sudoers
[18:14] <shauno> neuro: I went away for 5 days, came back to ~600 emails
[18:14] <neuro> lol
[18:14] <mapps> mark ALL=(ALL) ALL
[18:14] <shauno> ls -l /etc/sudoers  ?
[18:15] <mapps> also tried mark ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[18:15] <mapps> readable by owner and group
[18:15] <mapps> owned by root;root
[18:16] <shauno> curious, do you use visudo to edit this?  (ie, could there be a flaw elsewhere in the file that stops parsing getting that far?)
[18:16] <mapps> yea i had done
[18:17] <shauno> neuro: I'll toot my own horn.  I convinced nasa we're a good idea.  our previous largest customer was a 'big box' retail chain.  turns out nasa have a *lot* more computers
[18:17] <mapps> see when i go to users and groups it says nxt to user mark ' locked 4 7 failed logins - but er i can still login with it and ssh and everything? but then i cant change any settings as i dont have permissions and seemingly sudo isnt working fpor me atm
[18:19] <mapps> the sudoers file says anyone in group sudo has perms
[18:19] <mapps> so why wont it work!!
[18:19] <neuro> have you checked the logs while you are trying to sudo?
[18:19] <jpds> mapps: sudo -l
[18:20] <mapps> lets see
[18:21] <mapps> when i run sudo -l as root
[18:21] <mapps> User root may run the following commands on this host:
[18:21] <mapps>     (ALL : ALL) ALL
[18:21] <mapps> il chec in a sec neuro  thanks
[18:21] <neuro> run it as mark
[18:22] <shauno> and as mark?
[18:22] <mapps> ah i cant
[18:22] <mapps> it asks for a password and then says try again
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> are you using visudo ?
[18:22] <mapps> yea
[18:22] <shauno> you're just running 'sudo -l'?  alone?
[18:22] <mapps> thats what they were saying to yea?
[18:23] <shauno> well yes.  but on mine, that results in "User soneil may run the following commands ..."
[18:23] <shauno> you shouldn't have to auth for that at all.
[18:23] <mapps> mark@dimension:~/stuffs$ sudo -l
[18:23] <mapps> [sudo] password for mark:
[18:24] <shauno> o_O  I was gonna ask how old this is, but it works for me on 10.04, 12.04, debian7, osx and fbsd
[18:25] <shauno> this is my confused face.
[18:25] <shauno> and it ain't pretty
[18:25] <mapps> using 13.10
[18:25] <mapps> i dont get it then
[18:25] <jpds> mapps: You don't have sudo access on the machine?
[18:25] <mapps> yea
[18:25] <mapps> but why?
[18:25] <mapps> user mark is in group sudo
[18:26] <shauno> ls -l `which sudo`  ?
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> mapps: sure, but is %sudo in sudoers?
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ah good one, it might have lost its s-bits?
[18:27] <shauno> well on mine, sudo is root:wheel, so the sudo group doesn't mean expletive
[18:27] <shauno> now that's not ubuntu, but it should extrapolate
[18:28] <neuro> mapps: stupid question, but which password are you putting in?
[18:28] <neuro> yours or root's?
[18:29] <mapps> yea MartijnVdS
[18:29] <mapps> it is
[18:29] <mapps> mine
[18:30] <neuro> try the ls command shauno pasted then
[18:30] <neuro> should be -rwsr-xr-x
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 155008 feb 10 20:16 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> ^ that's mine
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> (yes I'm on trusty)
[18:31] <neuro> -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 71288 Feb 27  2013 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:31] <neuro> that's mine
[18:31] <mapps> sec
[18:31] <neuro> wow trusty sudo
[18:31] <neuro> so big
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> such secure!
[18:31] <neuro> :)
[18:31] <mapps> mark@dimension:~/stuffs$ ls -l `which sudo`
[18:31] <mapps> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 123360 Feb 28  2013 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:31] <mapps> mark@dimension:~/stuffs$
[18:31] <neuro> mine is from precise
[18:31] <neuro> huh, ok
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> mapps: check /var/log/auth.log
[18:31] <mapps> moment will do:)
[18:31] <neuro> yeah like i said like 10 minutes ago ;)
[18:32] <neuro> it'll probably say something like
[18:32] <neuro> sudo: stop sucking
[18:32] <neuro> sudo: STOP SUCKING
[18:32] <neuro> sudo: YOU SUCK AT SUDO
[18:32] <neuro> sudo: (previous message repeated 28 times)
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> neuro: you have "insults" on in sudoers? ;)
[18:32] <neuro> :D
[18:33] <neuro> i always forget to turn that on
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: time for a run of turning it on then ;)
[18:33] <davmor2> neuro: you are going to have to change those sudo passwords dude ;)
[18:33] <shauno> does linux do fat binaries yet?
[18:33] <neuro> davmor2: ???
[18:34] <davmor2> neuro: long day and wrong timezone :)  trying to be funny :P
[18:35] <mapps> Feb 20 18:23:33 dimension sudo: pam_tally(sudo:auth): user mark (1000) tally 62, deny 3
[18:35] <mapps> Feb 20 18:23:36 dimension sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): authentication failure; logname=mark uid=100$
[18:35] <neuro> heh
[18:35] <shauno> 100$  ?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> mapps: so.. you forgot how to type your password then
[18:36] <neuro> might be a scroll marker
[18:36] <neuro> like line > 80chars
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> what is pam_tally?
[18:36] <neuro> looks like pam tally needs reset ;)
[18:36] <shauno> it would be awkward, 100x should be a 4-digit
[18:37] <neuro> as root, i'd try # pam_tally --user=mark --reset
[18:37] <neuro> then try sudo as mark again
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> and next time, don't mis-type your password ;)
[18:37] <mapps> LOL
[18:37] <shauno> I have no idea what tally is, but this sounds convincing
[18:37] <mapps> no MartijnVdS  is deff right honestly
[18:37] <mapps> il be back in 10mins..gotta walk to work i can ssh and irc in though
[18:37] <mapps> :D
[18:37] <neuro> dammit
[18:38] <mapps> hopoefully can sort this out..but i dont know how i caused sudo to misbehave?
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> well, don't have pam_tally count romanian hack attempts, or you'll be locked out a lot
[18:38] <shauno> as long as you can ssh root from work.  else no, delay work 20 seconds
[18:38] <mapps> heh
[18:38] <mapps> deff can:)
[18:38] <neuro> it's like reaching a point in CSI or something where they might have just found out who the murderer was, and they cut to commercial
[18:38] <shauno> PermitRootLogin is bad, mmkay?
[18:38] <mapps> just have to sit on a pc where monitors face away so nosey people cant see what im doing ;)
[18:38] <neuro> MartijnVdS: denyhosts ftw ;)
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I use fail2ban, but same effect ;)
[18:39] <neuro> mapps: if they see a terminal, they may think you're a l33t h4xx0r
[18:39] <shauno> mapps: putty/terminal.app fullscreen, with small fonts, white/green on black, what they can see doesn't matter
[18:40] <shauno> my boss has used the phrase "like the Matrix" on more than one occaision.  fullscreen is your friend
[18:41] <shauno> as long as you don't actually admit you're just chatting to slovakian schoolgirls on irc, terminal = work
[18:41] <neuro> ctrl+a,ctrl+a
[18:47] <shauno> mapps: odd question; did this ever work?  and what were you doing last time it worked?
[19:07] <maps|wrk> HELLO
[19:07] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:07] <maps|wrk> took me longer than planned, these rubbish machines take ages to logon
[19:09] <maps|wrk> so what do i do now about sudo?
[19:09] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:16] <maps|wrk> argh so now everyones gone
[19:20] <AlanBell> maps|wrk: hi
[19:20] <maps|wrk> hi AlanBell
[19:43] <maps|wrk> MartijnVdS:  can you paste back what was said i should try to fix it
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> anybody know if there's any update on u-1 being snafu'd?  u-1 staus gives a 50/50 ["we are investigating"] but unfo on music store and files says all ok
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> [rather annoying when music store debits your paypal a/c but won't download files :(
[19:46] <DJones> SuperEngineer: I think they have their own channel, #ubuntuone that might be worth asking in
[19:46] <popey> it is
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> it is - as in is the channel?
[19:47] <DJones> Yes
[19:47]  * SuperEngineer copies & pastes question to that channel
[19:49] <SuperEngineer> [& thanks for pointer folks]
[20:03] <SuperEngineer> for info - tried to send support request & guess what....u-1 appears to be temporarily but completely snafu'd
[20:05] <SuperEngineer> oi! u-1 - you took the money but can't donload my music - gimme my money back :)
[20:09] <SuperEngineer> SuperEngineer has faith in u-1 peeps hard work & fixing abilty - but don't tell them - they'll get smug ;)
[20:10] <jussi> hrm, is there a better plugin for chrome/firefox than VLC for video?  I need something that I can change place in the stream with...
[20:11] <maps|wrk> change place in the stream -- whats that mean?
[20:11] <maps|wrk> vlc worked ok for me
[20:11] <maps|wrk> but yea u said other than
[20:11] <maps|wrk> neuro: ??
[20:12] <jussi> maps|wrk: like on youtube ypou can change where you are in the video... vlc plugin has 0 controls...
[20:13] <maps|wrk> ah ok
[20:25] <maps|wrk> where did everyone go from when i was at home to me getting to work:)
[20:28] <DJones> maps|wrk: Probably the pub, it is long past home time for most people
[20:31] <maps|wrk> heh
[20:34] <SuperMatt> woo for locally integrated menus!
[20:34] <SuperMatt> http://blog.3v1n0.net/informatica/linux/ubuntu-introducing-locally-integrated-menus-to-unity-7/
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> now THAT looks useful
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> more useful than the global menu as it is now
[20:36] <SuperMatt> agreed
[20:37] <maps|wrk> hey MartijnVdS  can you paste the last things about sudo when someone said to dio something with pam tally or whatever it was
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: yeah, you must have enabled pam_tally?
[20:38] <maps|wrk> mmpf
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: 19:37 < neuro> as root, i'd try # pam_tally --user=mark --reset
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> 19:37 < neuro> then try sudo as mark again
[20:38] <maps|wrk> im not sure what it is and how?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> 19:38 < MartijnVdS> well, don't have pam_tally count romanian hack attempts, or  you'll be locked out a lot
[20:38] <maps|wrk> what is it?
[20:38] <maps|wrk> heh
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> 19:38 < shauno> PermitRootLogin is bad, mmkay?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: I don't know, YOU installed it!
[20:38] <maps|wrk> lol i thought u knew what pam tally is though i mean :D ok
[20:39] <maps|wrk> seemingly somehow i did yea
[20:48] <maps|wrk> root@dimension:/home/mark# pam_tally --user=mark --reset                                                                                                 User mark       (1000)  had 63                                                                                                                           root@dimension:/home/mark#      63 failed logins lol
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> maps|wrk: yes.. by either yourself OR some h4xor knocking on the ssh port
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> I guess
[20:50] <maps|wrk> hehe
[20:50] <maps|wrk> i thought that was the failed login attempts for when i tried to sudo under user mark
[20:50] <maps|wrk> hmpf
[20:52] <maps|wrk> HOORAH it works now
[20:52] <maps|wrk> neuro: is a genius :)
[20:53] <maps|wrk> so i must have set pam tally somewhere
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> yes..
[21:04] <foobarry> yay for turning off global menu
[22:35] <bigcalm> I just did an dist-upgrade in 14.04 and got this during the install of bits & bobs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6967999/
[22:35] <bigcalm> Should I be concerned?
[22:38] <maps|wrk> hmm
[22:38] <maps|wrk> not sure
[22:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: intel profile works for me now. I'm guessing that it's due to a recent update to python of the linux kernel
[22:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: possibly there has been a bunch of landings recently for feature freeze
[22:56] <bigcalm> I wonder if I should close my bug. But I don't know which updated item fixed it for me
[22:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: just put this issue seems to of been fixed by an update and is working from and the date
[22:58] <bigcalm> Okaya
[23:09] <daubers> popey: Dunno yet, just had enough of the current place :)