[00:00] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193, https://code.launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox/xubuntu-docs/command-line-edits/+merge/206854/comments/486400
[00:05] <knome> mmh,
[00:06] <Unit193> knome: Someone else is fixing our mistakes, see?
[00:06] <knome> hah
[00:06] <Unit193> In case you didn't see, +1 to those.
[00:07] <slickymaster> why are you mumbling knome?
[00:07] <knome> i'm wondering how we should proceed
[00:07] <knome> a merge proposal with the old text would be easiest for me, but otoh, i can take care of reverting myself.
[00:07] <knome> if you propose other stuff, you could propose to change it back with them
[00:08] <knome> please note i also updated the changelog (attributing the author), so you might want to drop that with your proposal
[00:09] <slickymaster> I lost you knome :P
[00:10] <knome> i'm here, nobody's lost, no panic
[00:10] <slickymaster> or at least lost your train of thoughtd
[00:10] <slickymaster> thoughts
[00:10] <knome> if you want it fixed, either:
[00:10] <slickymaster> lol
[00:10] <knome> 1) do a new merge proposal
[00:10] <knome> 2) wait until you propose other things to do fix, and propose with those
[00:10] <knome> 3) leave it to me
[00:11] <slickymaster> I'll go with door number two
[00:11] <knome> if 1) or 2), please note that you need to edit the changelog as well (and drop the attribution)
[00:12] <slickymaster> now that's something you have to enlight me on, editing the changelog
[00:12] <knome> sure
[00:12] <slickymaster> how do I go about doing it?
[00:12] <knome> considering you have all the tools installed,
[00:12] <knome> in the branch root: dch -e
[00:13] <knome> then edit the file, save and quit.
[00:13] <knome> the format is pretty simple, and plenty of examples in the file below
[00:13] <slickymaster> I'll test it in Unit193's branch I pulled a while ago
[00:14] <slickymaster> ;)
[00:14] <knome> typing (LP: #BUGNUM) automatically marks bug released once a version with those strings is uploaded
[00:14] <slickymaster> how, we've discussed this a few days back, haven't we knome?
[00:15] <slickymaster> I'm remembering it now
[00:15] <knome> possible :)
[00:15] <slickymaster> ok, let's opt then for door number two
[00:15] <knome> hehe, good
[00:15] <knome> and whenever you do changes, feel free to edit the changelog accordingly
[00:16] <knome> that's how you get attributed on the package-level
[00:16] <slickymaster> the link in xubuntu.ent to xfdesktop has to be corrected, now that ochosi is porting the documentation to docs.xfce.org
[00:16] <knome> yep
[00:17] <slickymaster> so when that correction gets done, I'll also rollback that paragraph 
[00:17] <knome> nice, thanks
[00:38] <knome> ok, i'm off to sleep
[00:38] <knome> see you tomorrow
[00:39] <slickymaster> cy knome 
[00:39] <slickymaster> get better 
[01:48] <bluesabre> \o?
[01:48] <bluesabre> \o/
[01:53] <ToZ> should I create a bug report to suggest a cosmetic change to the xscreensaver unlock dialog (change is actually to /etc/skel/.Xdefaults from xubuntu-default-settings) to remove the white border?
[01:53] <Unit193> ToZ: Nope, because we won't be seeding it.
[01:53] <ToZ> Unit193, what does that mean?
[01:53] <Unit193> Though, perhaps we should make it as nice for people that choose to?
[01:54] <Unit193> ToZ: We'll be using light-locker.
[01:54] <Unit193> Anywho, bluesabre can help, I've got to go.
[01:54] <ToZ> Unit193, oh, okay. Thanks.
[01:55] <bluesabre> hey ToZ
[01:55] <ToZ> hi bluesabre 
[01:55] <ToZ> I forgot about the change to light-locker. sorry about that.
[01:55] <bluesabre> that's cool
[01:56] <bluesabre> but yeah, as of 14.04 we won't provide xscreensaver, so we also won't have any custom settings for it.
[01:56] <bluesabre> though I am curious, what would the change be?
[01:57] <ToZ> set "xscreensaver.Dialog.borderWidth:        0" - gets rid of the thick white border
[02:02] <bluesabre> ah, that's a simple tidy fix :)
[02:04] <ToZ> bluesabre, looks cleaner (though I know its subjective)
[02:04] <bluesabre> oh, I think most would agree
[06:07] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I did xfdesktop yesterday, just updated my merge to be off the debian upload
[07:03] <Noskcaj> clipman-plugin and xfdesktop are now updated
[07:08] <ochosi> great Noskcaj 
[07:11] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:12] <elfy> hi ochosi 
[07:13] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[07:13] <Noskcaj> evening ochosi 
[07:13] <ochosi> Noskcaj: thanks for taking care of so many uploads!
[07:13] <pleia2> at 17:00 is the CC catch up over in #ubuntu-meeting if anyone can make it
[07:13] <pleia2> (~10 hours from now)
[07:13] <elfy> pleia2: if I'm back from work I will be there twice :)
[07:14] <pleia2> elfy: hehe
[07:14] <ochosi> pleia2: sry, i'm kinda out of the loop wrt that, what's happening there exactly? or: why should i be there?
[07:14] <elfy> CC catch up ochosi 
[07:14] <pleia2> ochosi: mostly the CC just wants to check in with various teams each cycle to make sure everything is going ok
[07:14] <ochosi> ah ok
[07:14] <Noskcaj> ochosi, I've been doing very little recently, and since my desktop(s) are brpken, i've not got many other things to do
[07:15] <pleia2> it's amazing how much mess is festering in some teams and we don't learn about it until we sit down and ask :)
[07:15] <ochosi> pleia2: so what does the CC do in case there is trouble in a team?
[07:15] <pleia2> help in any way we can
[07:15] <pleia2> either by helping to fix what's wrong, or sitting down with disagreeable folks
[07:16] <pleia2> we have more connections and people listen to us when we ask for attention, so we can sometimes grease the wheels a bit
[07:16]  * elfy can attest to it working with IS :p
[07:17] <pleia2> anyway, not sure I'll be able to make it, lost my grandmother this morning and I'm flying to LA tomorrow afternoon, am kind of out of sorts :(
[07:18] <Noskcaj> panel 4.11 uploaded
[07:19] <ochosi> pleia2: i'm very sorry to hear
[07:20] <pleia2> thanks
[07:21] <ochosi> Noskcaj: great, so what else is in the queue? gmusicbrowser, xfdesktop, indicator-plugin?
[07:22] <Noskcaj> ochosi, indicator and gmusicbrowser are the only ones un-uploaded now
[07:22] <Noskcaj> (both in queue)
[07:22] <ochosi> right, but xfdesktop4.11.3 also hasn't been done yet, has it?
[07:38] <elfy> ochosi: seem to be missing icons for vbox and liferea since yesterday
[07:38] <ochosi> elfy: virtualbox ships/installs their own icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor
[07:38] <ochosi> don't know about liferea, never used that
[07:40] <Noskcaj> ochosi, been there, done that
[07:41] <ochosi> Noskcaj: woot? but it has only been released a few hrs ago
[07:41] <Noskcaj> About a day ago. I work fast
[07:41] <ochosi> Noskcaj: where can i see what's in the queue again?
[07:42] <Noskcaj> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[07:42] <elfy> ochosi: d'oh - I've not reinstalled them yet lol - I've been fighting back from this situation I got into yesterday ... http://imagebin.org/294486
[07:42] <elfy> sorry for bothering you
[07:44] <ochosi> elfy: no worries
[07:45] <ochosi> Noskcaj: it's currently shorter than i would've imagined
[07:46] <Noskcaj> ochosi, sync bugs get cleared within a day or two of being filed, a call for sponsoring was just made by dholbach to try and prep for FF too
[07:47] <Noskcaj> The highest i've seen was 90 packages, back in the christmas holidays
[07:49] <ochosi> let's hope the default-settings also get updated/done
[07:51] <ochosi> Noskcaj: since you said you're not overly busy, wanna get xubuntu-artwork ready?
[07:51] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Sure. Link(s) plz.
[07:52] <ochosi> Noskcaj: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/trusty
[07:52] <ochosi> this was usually handled by pouit, so if there's something you need me to push, let me know
[07:53] <Noskcaj> ok.
[07:54] <Noskcaj> might be worth setting up the bug tracker soonish
[07:54] <elfy> Noskcaj: thanks for what you're doing :)
[07:59] <ochosi> hm, we should also add a kb-shortcut for whisker-menu as soon as the new default panel-config has landed
[08:00] <Noskcaj> What do you want me to do for xubuntu-artwork? Check packaging and upload to sponsor queue?
[08:02] <ochosi> yup
[08:02] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:13] <elfy> ochosi: any need now for me to bother with the gtk3 indicators from a qa perspective that you can think of?
[08:14] <elfy> if not I'll just wait for them to land
[08:15] <ochosi> i think the latter should be ok
[08:15] <elfy> ok thanks 
[08:15] <ochosi> Noskcaj: is there anything left we need to resolve now for gmusicbrowser, or was my comment in #u-devel enough?
[08:16] <Noskcaj> So you want to work on the patch/upstream before i merge?
[08:17] <ochosi> not really, i can take that as a workitem for T+1 though
[08:17] <ochosi> oh, one more thing
[08:17] <ochosi> in case you think there's a chance we can sneak a resolution for this bug in as well... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1223808
[08:18] <ochosi> since in the merging you're touching the plugin-config in gmbrc as well
[08:19] <ochosi> (i've obviously tested the plugin in trusty and it works as expected, it's even in our default layout, it just doesn't display anything if we don't activate it in the gmbrc file)
[08:21] <Noskcaj> ok. so: re-merge, add extra patch, submit to sponsoring queue
[08:27] <Noskcaj> ochosi, The usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/mimes/96/gnome-mime-application-x-java-archive symlink is broken
[08:28] <Noskcaj> plus i'll have to fix d/copyright, extend the descriptions, and fix the maintainerscripts
[08:28] <ochosi> i can fix that broken symlink in a few minutes
[08:33] <Noskcaj> thanks
[08:39] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Do you know anything about fixing maintainer-script-should-not-use-update-alternatives-remove ?
[08:40] <ochosi> sorry, not really
[08:42] <Noskcaj> Then i guess i'll leave that issue there till someone else can fix it. I'l propose my small fix to a few things, then it should be upload-able
[08:42] <ochosi> already fixed that symlink upstream, will push it to trunk in a few secs
[08:43] <Noskcaj> yep, i didn't fix that one. just d/copyright and d/control stuff
[08:44] <ochosi> ok, just pushed rev256 which fixes the symlink
[08:45] <Noskcaj> If you can do my merge, i'll add this to the sponsoring queue tomorrow. I've got to make a bug for transmission then get off the computer
[08:47] <Noskcaj> And indicator is now uploaded
[08:51] <ochosi> great, will quickly merge
[08:52] <ochosi> Noskcaj: done (rev257)
[08:52] <Noskcaj> :)
[08:53] <Noskcaj> I've sent an email to the debian maintainer for gmusicbrowser, hopefully he can look into it soon
[08:54] <ochosi> ok, sounds good
[09:12] <Noskcaj> oops, my d/copyright wasn't quite finished. I'm pushing the branch, but really have to go now
[09:49] <ochosi> elfy: you around?
[09:49] <ochosi> any ppl around who can test stuff on trusty?
[10:38] <ochosi> if any of you testers can, please install the xubuntu-default-settings pkg from here in a clean vbox: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/xubuntu/
[10:38] <ochosi> then try to verify the patches from here worked: https://code.launchpad.net/~ochosi/xubuntu-default-settings/trusty-updates/+merge/207376
[10:55] <slickymaster-job> morning all
[10:58] <knome> hey slickymaster-job 
[10:58] <slickymaster-job> hi knome, good morning
[10:58] <knome> good day
[10:59] <slickymaster-job> bluesabre2, ochosi, brainwash, here's my gift for you today -> bug 1282509
[11:01] <ochosi> yup, seems to be a bug in xfdesktop4.11.3
[11:01] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: on a different subject
[11:02] <slickymaster-job> so, is it your intention to replace all the screenshots (except the one regarding the background tab) in xfdesktop usage page?
[11:03] <ochosi> no, why that?
[11:03] <ochosi> they're all up-to-date, what isnt are the screeners on the prefs page
[11:03] <slickymaster-job> following aour conversation last night, I got that impression
[11:03] <slickymaster-job> ah, those are the ones jjfrv8 did
[11:04] <ochosi> yup, they're all fine
[11:04] <slickymaster-job> but I can replace the ones in the prefs page
[11:04] <slickymaster-job> that's not a problem
[11:04] <ochosi> ok, great
[11:04] <ochosi> thanks a lot
[11:04] <slickymaster-job> so, all of them but the one regarding the background tab, right?
[11:05] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: ^
[11:06] <ochosi> actually the one regarding the background tab is fuzzy
[11:07] <ochosi> so if you're  taking new screenshots, also replace that one if you can
[11:08] <slickymaster-job> okie dokie, you'll have everything ready this afternoon ochosi 
[11:10] <ochosi> great, thanks a lot!
[11:11] <bluesabre2> ochosi: so, that dholbach package is all the merge requests being push straight to the archive?
[11:13] <ochosi> bluesabre2: yes
[11:13] <bluesabre2> excellent
[11:13] <bluesabre2> :)
[11:14] <ochosi> but since he doesn't have a xubuntu testbox he wanted some of us to test it
[11:14] <ochosi> >1 person
[11:14] <bluesabre2> ok, I'll test it in a few
[11:14] <bluesabre2> on a fresh vm
[11:15] <ochosi> i already successfully tested most of it
[11:15] <ochosi> apart from the live-package
[11:15] <ochosi> great, thanks!
[11:15] <ochosi> feel free to reply directly to dholbach in #ubuntu-devel once you're done
[11:15] <ochosi> he's basically waiting for our ok to upload (well waiting as in: doing other stuff meanwhile)
[11:20] <bluesabre2> ok
[11:23] <ochosi> ok, gotta go
[11:23] <ochosi> bbl
[11:23] <bluesabre2> seeya ochosi
[11:49] <bluesabre2> ochosi, knome: so I think we should also update xubuntu-desktop with depends for the new packages we've added to the seed, right?
[12:03] <knome> bluesabre2, sounds fair
[12:15] <bluesabre2> ok, looks like its a script thats run by any person with upload rights
[12:16] <bluesabre2> micahg: if you get  a chance after the seed MRs and x-d-s MRs, could you also refresh xubuntu-meta?
[12:16] <bluesabre2> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/xubuntu-meta/trusty
[12:45] <codfather>  A quick question about 14.04 - are there any plans to have a proxy settings tool with the network system settings app? It would save a whole pile of post install configuration if it was.
[12:50] <codfather>  BTW - loving the new settings manager in 14.04 a real improvement over previous LTS version
[12:59] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences all the screenshots have been updated to xfdesktop 4.11 and also removed the new to not read "... new feature..."
[13:00] <slickymaster-job> ping me later on your feedback. I'm going to brag something to lunch ->
[13:06] <knome> codfather, not that i know of
[13:29] <elfy> ochosi: if I can get a vm to install and work properly I'll look later 
[13:45] <elfy> knome: no meeting tonight I assume 
[13:47] <knome> no, didn't schedule one and most probably can't make it myself
[13:47] <knome> feel free to have an impromptu one if enough people are around and there are things to discuss
[14:00] <lderan> elfy, I updated the list of autopilot apps on the wiki page, will be going through the ones that failed to see if i can get them to work to be sure.
[14:14] <codfather> knome: Ok thanks for the info
[14:34] <ochosi> codfather: i don't even know of a good/easy dependency-less lightweight proxy-settings tool
[14:34] <ochosi> i'm still hoping it'll be implemented in network-manager
[14:34] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: thanks, i'll take a look
[14:41] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: hummm, lots of information in the background section is outdated... (no more imagelists, no more auto-mode, no more brightness/saturation sliders...)
[14:49] <slickymaster-job> ochosi: hmm, jjfrv8 must have written it with 4.10 in mind
[14:51] <cyphermox> ochosi: it5 will be in NM eventually, just needs someone to take the time to write it
[14:52] <slickymaster-job> I haven't went through the text jjfrv8 wrote, but I'd imagine that it would be preferable for him to rewrite it for 4.12, unless you really need it done now
[15:27] <ochosi> cyphermox: well, good to know!
[15:28] <ochosi> slickymaster-job: sure, no problem. i'll either wait for his reply or take a look at it myself
[15:28] <slickymaster-job> alright let's wait for his two cents :)
[15:30] <brainwash> wow, everything has landed in trusty before FF
[15:30] <brainwash> good job
[15:32] <schproodle_> ubiquity crashed on Xubuntu i386 and amd64.  Does the automatic bug report that appeared to be sent  enough?  Should I do something else?
[15:33] <schproodle_> Daily Xubuntu trusty that is.
[15:34] <schproodle_> Just wait for tomorrow's daily then.
[15:42] <ochosi> brainwash: the seed hasnt been updated yet
[16:29] <codfather> ochosi: Here is one I came across http://code.google.com/p/ubproxy while searching for xubuntu proxy settings
[17:37] <cmars> hi, i'm running latest trusty and occasionally the desktop goes all "zoomed in". anyone seen this? how/where should I open a bug?
[17:38] <cmars> it almost seems like an accessibility zoom feature. the resolution doesn't show a change in the control-panel when it changes, either.
[17:48] <brainwash> cmars: see http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=e7da725aab39018f54383dc6e8a64eccd8793035
[17:49] <cmars> brainwash, thanks, that might be it. my touchpad is really sensitive, and it might be picking up a scroll when i'm alt-tabbing or something
[17:50] <brainwash> it's a hidden feature as of now I think
[17:50] <cmars> brainwash, is there a way to turn it off?
[17:50] <brainwash> ali1234 might know
[17:52] <brainwash> disabling the builtin compositor (settings manager > window manager tweaks > last tab) is one way to get rid of it
[17:56] <brainwash> cmars: so you can discuss this with the actual coder ali1234 or file a bug report on the Xfce bug tracker against xfwm
[17:56] <cmars> brainwash, thanks!
[17:56] <brainwash> :)
[18:57]  * elfy seems to have the gtk3 indicators now \o/
[18:57] <slickymaster-job> hey Noskcaj 
[18:58] <Unit193> Purge -gtk2 ones then.
[18:58] <Noskcaj> hey slickymaster-job 
[18:58] <slickymaster-job> Noskcaj: do you think you can Triaged bug 1282509?
[18:58] <slickymaster-job> hi ubottu 
[18:58] <slickymaster-job> ups
[18:58] <Unit193> :D
[18:58]  * slickymaster-job meant to say hi Unit193 
[18:59] <Unit193> Mhmm, suuure you did.
[18:59]  * slickymaster-job wasn't implying that Unit193 is a bot
[18:59] <Noskcaj> Unit193, ubottu, pretty much the same thing
[19:01] <jjfrv8-work> ochosi, I can take a crack at fixing xfdesktop Preferences. I might not be able to finish it, though, before the wee hours UTC of Saturday.
[19:01] <slickymaster-job> hey jjfrv8-work. Thanks for that.
[19:02] <jjfrv8-work> slickymaster-job, sure
[19:02] <Noskcaj> slickymaster-job, You should apply for triage rights soon
[19:03] <Noskcaj> Just make sure you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20triage for a few bugs
[19:03] <slickymaster-job> jjfrv8-work: I've already updated the screenshots but figured that since you were the one who wrote, you would be the one to rewrite it
[19:03] <slickymaster-job> yes Noskcaj, I do have to see that
[19:04] <jjfrv8-work> slickymaster, but you're assuming I did it right to begin with :)
[19:05] <slickymaster-job> jjfrv8-work: yes, and I'm convinced you were right when you done it since I assume that you were writing for 4.10 version
[19:05] <jjfrv8-work> elfy, is it correct to assume that we can dispense with all PPAs when testing anything from here forward?
[19:07] <Noskcaj> weather plugin sru is now complete
[19:08] <slickymaster-job> hey did the meeting got scheduled? 
[19:09] <jjfrv8-work> slickymaster-job, knome said there wasn't a meeting scheduled today.
[19:10] <slickymaster-job> oh, ok
[19:10] <slickymaster-job> thanks jjfrv8-work 
[19:10] <slickymaster-job> that being I'll be going home :)
[19:11] <slickymaster-job> catch you in a moment guys ->
[19:11] <jjfrv8-work> gotta go too. back tomorrow.
[19:21] <elfy> I did indeed purge them Unit193 :)
[19:24] <micahg> bluesabre: it's only my list, I was going to upload, but was hoping to fix the ppc64el issues in the seed first
[19:25] <micahg> but I guess I"ll just upload
[19:26] <brainwash> elfy: we should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[19:27] <elfy> lderan: thanks - just seen that a/pilot ping 
[19:27] <lderan> no problem
[19:27] <elfy> brainwash: in what respect
[19:28] <elfy> lderan: quick question - Mail Reader says it fails, but Thunderbird says it works :)
[19:28] <brainwash> elfy: installing PPA isn't needed anymore, a small hint to inform the reader
[19:29] <lderan> elfy, oops
[19:30] <elfy> brainwash - I guess, on the other hand why would anyone be going to that wiki page anymore - I doubt if many have
[19:30] <elfy> but if you want to edit it ;)
[19:30] <elfy> bbl
[19:33] <DumperZ> hello all
[19:36] <DumperZ> i have some problem on Xubuntu trusty, kicad has a tool PCBnew to produce eletronic boards, normally it should find the modules, but looks like theyr are missing for the footprints
[20:06] <knome> DumperZ, umm... i would ask the app developers for that, it's not included in xubuntu by default so we don't track (or fix) stuff related to that
[20:07] <DumperZ> kicad is available in the apt anyway ...
[20:08] <knome> DumperZ, yes. but the xubuntu team is not the maintainer for that package, so we will know nothing of it's state
[20:08] <Unit193> First I heard of it.
[20:08] <knome> (and since it's not included in the default seed, we aren't tracking it either)
[20:08] <knome> DumperZ, the best bet is to contact the application developers
[20:09] <DumperZ> ok thanks , i am currently on their chan but nothing repluing
[20:09] <knome> patience is a good virtue when you try to poke people on IRC :)
[20:10] <DumperZ> yes i know well about it :) i am an early user of IRC , may be 15 y ago now
[20:11] <Unit193> Nice.
[20:13] <DumperZ> i have some stuffs in my trusty i should talk about,
[20:14]  * Unit193 hides.
[20:14] <DumperZ> each time i start trusty i get the same annoyance, it is loading the last sessions, anyway the session manager's case is unchecked about "restore session on startup"
[20:14]  * knome drags Unit193 from below the table
[20:14] <knome> DumperZ, have you reported test results to ISO tracker?
[20:14]  * elfy puts Unit193 on the table on show
[20:14] <Unit193> Hey, I was taking a nap.
[20:14] <knome> DumperZ, have you filed bugs?
[20:15] <Unit193> DumperZ: rm -r .cache/sessions/
[20:15] <DumperZ> not yet, i would like to be sure to experience a real bug before to bother launchpad with jung reports
[20:29] <DumperZ> in your side is it working fine ?
[20:32] <brainwash> DumperZ: did you delete the cache files? I think xfce4-session will try to restore the previously saved session until you delete it
[20:32] <brainwash> ~/.cache/sessions/
[20:32] <DumperZ> i did
[20:33] <brainwash> so everything's fine now?
[20:33] <DumperZ> but i will know if it is working on next boot
[20:33] <DumperZ> or login
[21:24] <ochosi> jjfrv8: that sounds fine
[23:31] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1282734 xfdesktop4?
[23:37] <bluesabre2> well duh
[23:37] <bluesabre2> 0
[23:37] <bluesabre2> :)
[23:48] <bluesabre2> micahg: ping :)