[00:05] <Saviq> ogra_, rsalveti, fixed qtubuntu built in landing-016
[00:06] <rsalveti> Saviq: awesome
[00:06]  * Saviq tests
[00:11] <Saviq> hurmpf
[00:12] <Saviq> robru, any idea why https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-016/+sourcepub/3927994/+listing-archive-extra built the packages on armhf, but never published them?
[00:12] <Saviq> sergiusens, or you ↑?
[00:13] <robru> Saviq, looks fine to me?
[00:13] <Saviq> robru, see that the list of output packages does not include any armhf ones
[00:13] <Saviq> robru, AG
[00:13] <Saviq> robru, now it does ;)
[00:13] <Saviq> robru, sneaky bastard
[00:13] <robru> Saviq, sometimes it just takes a couple minutes ;-)
[00:14] <Saviq> robru, it was actually built earlier
[00:14] <Saviq> robru, and unity8 that built afterwards got published already
[00:14] <Saviq> robru, but anyway, will be more patient next time
[00:14] <Saviq> sergiusens, unping
[00:50] <krabador> ogra_,
[00:50] <krabador> are you here?
[00:52] <krabador> rsalveti, are you here?
[00:54] <rsalveti> krabador: yup
[00:55] <krabador> hi, excuse me for annoying you, i would know about RIL implementation, in ubuntu touch development side
[00:56] <krabador> i'm interested on samsung i9100, and i know that the porting mantainer never do debug for ofono deves
[00:56] <krabador> devs
[00:58] <rsalveti> krabador: right, first thing to check is if rild is running properly
[00:59] <rsalveti> then you can also enable debug in the ofono upstart job, to get the needed messas to know what is happening there
[00:59] <rsalveti> at /etc/init/ofono.override (ofono -d)
[00:59] <rsalveti> then check your /var/log/syslog
[01:00]  * smot wonders how rapidly ubuntu touch will be developed into a usable system
[01:01] <cwayne> smot, it's quite usable already
[01:01] <smot> i tested it, it was underwhelming. i guess that is the natural result of having expectationd
[01:01] <smot> heh
[01:01] <smot> it kept locking when i was trying to set time zone
[01:02] <smot> if i had the time, i'd learn me how to submit debug info
[01:02] <smot> so, it locked in trying to enter time zone. keyboard wouldn't display
[01:02] <cwayne> smot, when did you test it?
[01:03] <smot> today
[01:04] <cwayne> with the latest devel image?
[01:04] <smot> i received a nexus 4 today, and had ubuntu touch on it instantly
[01:04] <smot> i installed the "stable" release
[01:04] <krabador> rsalveti, great, and i can sand email to which address?
[01:04] <cwayne> smot, that's pretty old, there's been a *lot* of fixes since then
[01:04] <cwayne> stable is the 13.10 release
[01:05] <rsalveti> krabador: ricardo.salveti@canonical.com
[01:05] <smot> so, considering i was questioning why i bought a $230 phone when i already have one, i put cyanogen on it
[01:05] <smot> just so, i can use it while i attempt to brick my lg optimus
[01:06] <smot> but a long-term goal is to keep the nexus ready and running u.t.
[01:06] <krabador> oh, really great, to you, then, i've fear to have troubles, on enabling debug
[01:08] <cwayne> smot, i'd suggest trying it on the devel release, there's really been a lot of improvements
[01:08] <smot> aye, i may have to do that.
[01:09] <smot> wish i would have before i put cyanogenmod on it and decided to make it my new working phone
[01:11] <cwayne> heh
[05:10] <Akiva-Mobile> looking to get ubuntu touch on a nook 2. Any direction?
[06:02] <nhaines> rsalveti, ogra_: with further tests, I see that the graphical corruption on my Nexus 5 was because Mir wasn't running.  With this fixed, it's working great (minus what doesn't work--sound, etc.).
[06:03] <nhaines> I know there's no official support for now, so I appreciate everything everyone's done to build for it for the community.
[06:04] <nhaines> I wanted to say that 12 hours ago but my connection started dropping and I had to get to a meeting.  In any case, after SCALE I'll keep an eye on hammerhead on dailies.
[06:17] <nhaines> The reason I probably missed this was I restored a backup of the home directory from my Galaxy Nexus, and guess what?  I had .display-mir in there.  So after a reboot it worked where I had not explicitly enabled Mir.  :)
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[06:56] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[06:56] <nhaines> I'm in a good mood because I figured out why Ubuntu was getting graphical glitches on my Nexus 5.  (Mir wasn't enabled.)
[07:02] <dholbach> :)
[07:16] <nhaines> Last year at SCALE I was the only one with an Ubuntu phone, just two weeks after it was announced.  And now Canonical lent us 2 N4s, I think, but I'll still be able to pretend that I use it myself.  Even though I don't because N5 doesn't have any sound and it's a *phone*.  ;)
[07:29] <Akiva-Mobile> is this what they are referring to when they say an ubuntu fs file: trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz    ?
[07:32] <Akiva-Mobile> I mean, its talking about the file system, correct?
[07:32] <Akiva-Mobile> and just looking for the root, right
[07:34] <ramadas> hi
[07:35] <Akiva-Mobile> ramadas: hello
[07:36] <ramadas> how can i manually install ubuntu on my tablet ??
[08:24] <nhaines> Akiva-Mobile: yes, that's what they're referring to.
[08:24] <Akiva-Mobile> nhaines: Thanks
[08:25] <Akiva-Mobile> nhaines: ATM, im putting it on the flash (a .zip), and will flash it to my nook.
[08:34] <Saviq> ogra_, hey, so silo 16 has apps fixed on flo@18px, if you could give it a go
[08:35] <Saviq> ogra_, but the silo isn't happy about the package you uploaded...
[08:35] <Saviq> "In silo landing-016. Build failed: Some packages (ubuntu-touch-session) that are not in the MP and not in sources list have been detected in the ppa. Please remove them from the ppa or ask for a reconfiguration."
[08:37] <nhaines> Akiva-Mobile: good luck! :)
[08:39] <Akiva-Mobile> nhaines: im at this point: 3) format data/factory reset <-- NOTE: If you want to save data, new builds should backup stuff, not sure what all though.
[08:39] <Akiva-Mobile> 4) format system to ensure clean install
[08:39] <Akiva-Mobile> whats the difference between 3 and 4?
[08:49] <nhaines> Akiva-Mobile: I'm sorry, I've flashed a Galaxy Nexus and a Nexus 5, but nothing else so far, so I'm not sure.
[08:50] <nhaines> Akiva-Mobile: But usually when you're doing a full flash, it's talking about preserving the /home/phablet directory if you're already running Ubuntu, so no need to worry about that.
[08:52] <Akiva-Mobile> nhaines: Thanks. Its flashing atm, crossing my fingers
[09:02] <Akiva-Mobile> mmmm, when this boots, is it supposed to be a black screen?
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Mother Language Day! :-D
[09:46] <Akiva-Mobile> Well got it installed on there
[09:47] <Akiva-Mobile> The only image available was one from raring
[09:47] <Akiva-Mobile> and this is pure placeholder applications it seems
[09:47] <Akiva-Mobile> If I wanted to update the image so it can run on 14.04, where should I start?
[09:48] <ogra_> Saviq, will test after the meeting
[09:49] <Saviq> ogra_, o./
[10:01] <timppa> Great work! It seems that alarm clock is implemented! :D
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, no Mirv?
[10:22] <tsdgeos> on holidays
[10:22] <tsdgeos> i've been told
[10:22] <tsdgeos> chrisccoulson: ↑
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> ah, thanks
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> oh yes, he's been off all week
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> back on monday
[11:11] <Sera6x7> hello all, I'm going through the Cordova Ubuntu Touch tutorial: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/cordova/creating-cordova-ubuntu-qr-code-scanner-html5-app/
[11:12] <Sera6x7> On the first step, when going to the File > New File or Project menu, I'm missing the Ubuntu project category
[11:12] <Sera6x7> Am I missing a library or anything else?
[11:13] <Sera6x7> I've installed ubuntu-sdk, cordova-ubuntu-2.8 and cordova-ubuntu-2.8-examples
[11:16] <Saviq> ogra_, did you have time to check out flo@18px?
[11:17] <ogra_> Saviq, in the middle of upgrading here
[11:17] <ogra_> (sorry, took a while)
[11:17] <Saviq> ogra_, ok great, thanks
[11:23] <ogra_> Saviq, looks awesome !!! unleash when landing team allows
[11:24] <Saviq> sil2100, can we publish silo 016 please?
[11:24] <Saviq> ogra_, it does, doesn't it :)
[11:24] <ogra_> Saviq, i think they are blocking, still searching for a regression
[11:25] <Saviq> ogra_, :(
[11:25] <sil2100> ;/
[11:25] <asac> Saviq: so seems unity8 is crashing more often on main image as well, so might be related to our demo crashes
[11:25] <asac> folks are investigating
[11:26] <Saviq> asac, demo crashes got fixed
[11:26] <asac> Saviq: yeah, they investigate unity8 crashes
[11:26] <asac> if i understand correctly
[11:26] <Saviq> asac, although we've had people reporting very unstable things due to potentially glib update
[11:26] <asac> Saviq: nice!
[11:26] <ogra_> yay
[11:26] <asac> didrocks: ^^ glib update?
[11:26] <asac> try that
[11:26] <ogra_> down to 16 sec boot on flo \o/
[11:26] <asac> (if that changed in this image)
[11:26] <ogra_> 11 on manta
[11:27]  * ogra_ goes for mako next 
[11:27] <didrocks> asac: it's not on the set of the image where things starting IIRC
[11:27] <didrocks> let me lookg back
[11:27] <didrocks> yep, not
[11:28] <didrocks> sil2100: where are you at btw? (already asked on other channels, but seems you are busy ;))
[11:29] <didrocks> asac: yeah, the glib update was 2 images before, and those 2 images got no issue at all
[11:29] <didrocks> (so we could have been really really lucky)
[11:29] <asac> didrocks: but maybe we wre lucky :)
[11:29] <asac> right
[11:29] <asac> maybe multiple things piling up
[11:29] <asac> even
[11:29] <didrocks> yeah, double "really" for 2 images
[11:29] <didrocks> possibly :)
[11:29] <didrocks> but let's start with the image we started to see the regressions
[11:29] <didrocks> then, if this doesn't solve, let's look at the rest
[11:30] <didrocks> we already found one (dialer-app)
[11:30] <didrocks> we know there is at least another issue
[11:30] <asac> sure
[11:31] <Sera6x7> what do I need for the Ubuntu project templates in qtcreator?
[11:32] <Prakash__> Hi
[11:33] <Prakash__> Do we have a emulator or simulator to test OS?
[11:33] <anpok> Sera6x7: do you have qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu installed?
[11:33] <Prakash__> yup
[11:33] <ogra_> Prakash__, http://davidplanella.org/ubuntu-emulator-quickstart-guide/
[11:34] <Prakash__> let me check thanks for link
[11:34] <sil2100> didrocks: damn
[11:34] <sil2100> didrocks: it's harder to do then I thought
[11:35] <didrocks> sil2100: the revert itself or getting the issue?
[11:35] <didrocks> do you need any help?
[11:35] <Sera6x7> anpok: yes, that got installed together with the rest of the ubuntu-sdk metapackage
[11:35] <sil2100> didrocks: dialer-app is a bad 'reproducer', since the crash might be unrelated - as one of the dialer-app tests since long long seem to cause a mir crash
[11:35] <sil2100> didrocks: so I'm trying with webbrowser, but it's hard
[11:36] <didrocks> did you reproduce the issue once on webbrowser?
[11:36] <sil2100> Not even once ;/ With all the stuff upgraded back up - but running all tests takes long, and running only single ones did not result in a failure yet
[11:36] <sil2100> But I only ran the whole suite once for now
[11:37] <didrocks> and so, no failure at all?
[11:38] <sil2100> Not yet, I'm running the whole suite the second time now - as the failures are anyway flaky, we don't even know when they'll fail
[11:38] <didrocks> sil2100: hum, but you do have the session reverted, right?
[11:39] <anpok> Sera6x7: that one contains the wizards and project templates. Are you sure you are running the systems qtcreator, and not i.e. one that came with a self installed qt sdk?
[11:40] <Sera6x7> anpok: thanks, I'll check that, it does come with the Ubuntu welcome page though
[11:40] <anpok> oh
[11:40] <anpok> then no idea / you might have to file a bug report
[11:41] <Sera6x7> it seems to be the correct qtcreator binary, I'll try reinstalling the package you mentioned
[11:43] <Sera6x7> that didn't work, I'll look at reporting a bug report, thanks anpok
[12:04] <Sera6x7> anpok: it turned out that qtcreator didn't find qt5 automatically: http://askubuntu.com/questions/259719/qt-quick-ui-templates-missing-from-qt-creators-new-file-or-project-dialog
[12:04] <kiran> hello
[12:05] <kiran> i have a query regarding Ubuntu mobile
[12:06] <kiran> is somebody there
[12:06] <kiran> ?????????????
[12:07] <nik90> kiran: just go head and ask your question
[12:07] <Sera6x7> kiran: there are plenty of people here, all quietly waiting for your question
[12:07] <nik90> kiran: if someone is around they will answer
[12:07] <kiran> ok
[12:07] <kiran> can i install Ubuntu mobile on my Android  phone
[12:08] <nik90> kiran: which Android Phone? Can you be more specific?
[12:08] <nik90> kiran: also !Devices
[12:08] <kiran> xolo q1000s
[12:08] <nik90> !devices
[12:10] <kiran> i don have my phone name on that list....
[12:10] <nik90> kiran: in that case, you will need to check on XDA forums if Ubuntu Touch port is available for your phone.
[12:11] <nik90> kiran: Officially only the Nexus devices are supported
[12:11] <nik90> kiran: the rest are community ports
[12:14] <kiran> i  didn't understood what you told @nik90
[12:17] <nik90> kiran: If you cannot find your device on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, then I suggest you take a look at the XDA Forums for a community port of Ubuntu Touch for your device
[12:33] <dpm> hi thostr_, I see https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/alarms/+merge/204420 has been merged to trunk. Is this scheduled to land in the image (or has already landed) and will give us the alarm notifications?
[12:33] <dpm> nik90, ^
[12:33] <thostr_> dpm: if it's in trunk then it's on image (new ci train ensures that)
[12:35] <dpm> thostr_, awesome. Is that all we need for the initial alarm notifications pass or is there any other branch required?
[12:35] <thostr_> dpm: should be all AFAIK
[12:35] <dpm> thostr_, brilliant, thanks!
[12:36] <nik90> thostr_: I just created an alarm on #194, but I don't see it being listed in the date time indicator nor did I see the snap decision though
[12:37] <ogra_> :)
[12:38] <thostr_> nik90: how did you create? calendar or clock app?
[12:39] <dpm> clock
[12:39] <nik90> thostr_: clock
[12:40] <cwayne> Setting up lxc (1.0.0-0ubuntu1) ...\o/ looks nice and official :)  great job stgraber
[12:40] <thostr_> nik90: yes, something is broken again
[12:40] <thostr_> I'll follow up
[12:41] <nik90> thostr_: thnx
[13:22] <s0u][ight> hi guys, where can I download the latest image for nexus 7 2013?
[13:23] <dednick> ogra_: ping
[13:23] <ogra_> s0u][ight, there are only experimental ones yet https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install_UT_on_android4.4.2
[13:23] <ogra_> dednick, yes ?
[13:24] <dednick> ogra_: hey. got this weird thing happening running unity8 on mako. Getting loads of file descriptors open. Causing a max out of open files. Only seems to happen sometimes though.
[13:25] <ogra_> any other runaway process in top ?
[13:25] <dednick> ogra_: lots of entries in "/proc/`pidof unity8`/fd" -> anon_inode::sync_fence
[13:25] <ogra_> i know we sometimes have issues with upstart in the sessions (init consuming 100% CPU)
[13:26] <ogra_> thats a filesystem error then
[13:26] <ogra_> check dmesg idf it happens or kern.log
[13:27] <xplt> I still have issues with setting up the emulator :(
[13:27] <ogra_> xplt, following http://davidplanella.org/ubuntu-emulator-quickstart-guide/ ?
[13:27] <xplt> No, not yet...
[13:27] <dednick> ogra_: i did have a process at 100% though by the by.
[13:27] <xplt> I'll read it, thanks
[13:28] <ogra_> dednick, remember which ?
[13:28] <dednick> dialer-app
[13:28] <ogra_> aww
[13:28] <ogra_> that had issues recently
[13:28] <ogra_> didrocks just rolled it back
[13:29] <ogra_> so it might be "fixed" with the next image
[13:30] <s0u][ight> orga_ 404 on the site referring to device specific images
[13:30] <xplt> http://pastebin.com/bnLcHfc4 ??
[13:31] <ogra_> s0u][ight, you used your device name with it ?
[13:32] <ogra_> xplt, what hardware is that on ? looks weird
[13:32] <s0u][ight> never mind
[13:32] <s0u][ight> :)
[13:32] <xplt> ogra_: Just my desktop PC on Ubuntu 13.10 x86_64
[13:33] <ogra_> xplt, not a vm or something ?
[13:33] <xplt> no
[13:34] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^^any idea why the emulator download script would show such weird errors ?
[13:34] <xplt> It at least allowed me to download images in QtCreator an hour ago...
[13:35] <s0u][ight> ogra_ any idea how I can flash them with multirom? it works with zip files and not IMG ones
[13:36] <ogra_> s0u][ight, nope, no idea
[13:36] <s0u][ight> thanks anyway
[13:37] <dednick> ogra_: apparently not related to runaway process. happening now it.
[13:37] <ogra_> well, anything in kern.log or dmesg ?
[13:38] <ogra_> (or even in syslog)
[13:44] <sergiusens> ogra_, x86?
[13:44] <ogra_> sergiusens, seems amd64 on 13.10
[13:45] <sergiusens> runs same command
[13:46] <sergiusens> ogra_, works for me; is just can't download the file; my error reporting could use some work
[13:46] <ogra_> xplt, ^^
[13:46] <ogra_> is your network wroking right ?
[13:46] <ogra_> (and do you have enough fee diskspace)
[13:46] <sergiusens> can you wget system-image.ubuntu.com//pool/ubuntu-d1b5e0e7a31ffa51117f764d12c6062f5862033499b3671c4174fea213abf55e.tar.xz ?
[13:46] <xplt> 1 sec
[13:47] <xplt> yes, wget works fine in the same terminal
[13:47] <sergiusens> xplt, did you try more than once?
[13:47] <sergiusens> xplt, anything special about your network?
[13:47] <ogra_> he downloaded images from qtcreator apparently
[13:47] <sergiusens> xplt, did wget display any redirects?
[13:48] <ogra_> (before)
[13:48] <dednick> ogra_: nope. not that i can figure
[13:48] <xplt>  "xplt, did you try more than once?" Yes, probably I did in WT Creator
[13:48] <sergiusens> ogra_, qtcreator uses this since a week and a bit though
[13:48] <dednick> ogra_: although i think i've just realised it only happens when restarting unity8 with screen off.
[13:48] <xplt> *Qt
[13:48] <sergiusens> xplt, always failed in qtcreator?
[13:49] <ogra_> dednick, how exactly do you restart it ? as phablet user via the start/stop commands ?
[13:49] <dednick> ogra_: nope. just with binary
[13:49] <xplt> http://pastebin.com/2HSM06Jr
[13:49] <ogra_> dednick, ?
[13:49] <xplt> sergiusens: No it used to work, but not any more
[13:50] <dednick> ogra_: phablet user '/usr/bin/unity8'
[13:50] <ogra_> dednick, that will break everything
[13:50] <ogra_> all session apps are upstart managed
[13:50] <sergiusens> xplt, since when?
[13:51]  * sergiusens tries to collect data
[13:51] <ogra_> you will break everything that has "start on unity8" with that
[13:51] <ogra_> dednick, always use start/stop (and always as the phablet user)
[13:51] <xplt> ~2 hours ago it worked in the Qt Creator
[13:53] <sergiusens> xplt, one more thing: ls -l ~/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-d1b5e0e7a31ffa51117f764d12c6062f5862033499b3671c4174fea213abf55e.tar.xz
[13:53] <dednick> ogra_: well i'm just debugging unity8...
[13:53] <ogra_> dednick, yes, but you start it out of bounds ... that will have competely unpredictable results
[13:54] <xplt> sergiusens: http://pastebin.com/wWkqHqGx
[13:54] <xplt> Is sudo really needed for all this "under the hood" work>?
[13:54] <sergiusens> xplt, yes, for image mounting
[13:54] <xplt> Ah, I see
[13:54] <sergiusens> xplt, I know what happened
[13:55] <dednick> ogra_: but that's not really acceptable is it? how are we supposed to debug a unity8 startup?
[13:55] <sergiusens> xplt, so qtcreator uses pkexec upstart; so I don't drop privs there; when you use sudo I do (it's a bug we know of); for some reason when qtcreator failed it didn't change the perms back
[13:55] <sergiusens> xplt, well, it could be a reason
[13:55] <ogra_> dednick, by editing the upstart job
[13:56] <ogra_> or using a local override job in the user location
[13:56] <xplt> I see... So all I have to do is just remove the cached file, right?
[13:56] <sergiusens> xplt, chown -R xplt /home/xplt/.cache/ubuntuimages
[13:57] <xplt> Permission denied
[13:57] <sergiusens> xplt, add sudo :-)
[13:57] <xplt> sergiusens: " for some reason when qtcreator failed it didn't change the perms back" Will you tweak it for future releases somehow?
[13:58] <sergiusens> xplt, I won't tweak qtcreator; I'll make ubuntu-emulator work better with pkexec
[13:58] <sergiusens> already in my todo
[13:59] <xplt> Good/Thanks :)
[14:03] <xplt> Next... http://pastebin.com/vj1QZTUm
[14:15] <sergiusens> xplt, hmmm, might be a perm issue for ~/.local/share/ubuntu-emulator ; do the chown in there too
[14:16] <sergiusens> xplt, is your create command cut off or did it end there?
[14:17] <xplt> sergiusens: the second one
[14:18] <kenvandine> renato_, got a link to where the folks patch was being discussed?
[14:18] <xplt> sergiusens: Oh, now it works! Thank you very much! :D
[14:19] <sergiusens> np
[14:22] <renato_> kenvandine, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/folks-list/2014-February/msg00001.html
[14:23] <renato_> kenvandine, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724058
[14:48] <sil2100> dandrader: hi! If anything, I commented back on that MR you asked the question ;)
[14:48] <sil2100> dandrader: the problem does not exist anymore as stated, as we propagate the input events further only in the case when we don't handle them ourselves, so keystrokes only appear once ;)
[14:49] <dandrader> sil2100, ah, ok then
[14:53] <xplt> The last question (I hope): What are the default user name/password for the emulator's system?
[14:53] <ogra_> phablet/phablet
[14:54] <xplt> Oh...
[14:54] <xplt> ogra_: thanks!
[14:56] <sil2100> dandrader: thanks for the pointers ;) We might have a working terminal-app finally
[14:56] <dandrader> sil2100, yw :)
[14:57] <asac> rsalveti: ogra: is android-config upgrading special?
[14:57] <asac> rickspencer3: ran into an issue with dist-upgrade demo image
[14:57] <rickspencer3> asI ran upgrade, not dist-upgrade
[14:57] <ogra_> asac, no lxc.android-config specific, thats a dpkg limitation
[14:57] <rickspencer3> should I dist-upgrade?
[14:58] <ogra_> youcant really upgrade with apt on system-image installs ...
[14:58] <ogra_> its a matter of luck if it works
[14:58] <ogra_> ... by design
[14:58] <asac> ogra_: can he workaround?
[14:58] <asac> so it doesnt try to upgrade that part?
[14:58] <asac> we want to try a fix that isnt in that package
[14:59] <ogra_> asac, not really ... the install spans across differennt partitions (loop devices) dpkg uses hardlinks when replacing files, hardlinks do not work across partition boundaries
[14:59] <rickspencer3> asac, should I try to dist-upgrade instead?
[14:59] <asac> rickspencer3: dont thinkt hat would help
[14:59] <rickspencer3> ok
[14:59] <asac> ogra_: i mean: how to upgrade everything, but dont try android-config
[14:59] <ogra_> asac, unintsalling and reinstalling with the new version might work, but i dont know what deps are there
[14:59] <asac> we dont want the new version i think
[14:59] <ogra_> asac, just apt-get -f install
[14:59] <rickspencer3> should I not just wait until the next image is available?
[14:59] <asac> rickspencer3: try that
[14:59] <asac> :)
[15:00] <asac> apt-get install -f :)
[15:00] <ogra_> and ignore possible lxc.android-config issues
[15:00] <asac> rickspencer3: you can also wait, but knowing whether its fixed earlier allows to parallelize
[15:00] <asac> but if its too hard, just wait.
[15:00] <rickspencer3> asac, ok, I;ll try
[15:00] <asac> you need to reinstall from scratch anyway after making image RW
[15:00] <rickspencer3> it's not too hard, I just don't want to waste a lot of people's time if I can just wait
[15:00] <asac> so...
[15:00] <asac> yeah thats what i meant
[15:01] <asac> if -f doesnt help, just wait.
[15:01]  * rickspencer3 reboots
[15:01] <asac> cwayne: rsalveti: maybe we can spin a new image? seems a few things are in ppa/archive that we would like to validate
[15:01] <kenvandine> renato_, are you working on that patch based on the feedback?
[15:02] <kenvandine> renato_, basically i'm wondering how soon you think it might be ready for upstream merging
[15:03] <renato_> kenvandine, yes the bug already contain a new patch but this create new functions and is bigger than this one that I send you, and since they request to create new functions and this involve api changes I think this will take longer to land
[15:03] <kenvandine> ok
[15:04] <cwayne> asac, i just uploaded one
[15:08] <kenvandine> renato_, folks uploaded
[15:13] <xplt> Hm... Ok, I logged in the console, but shouldn't emulator render the OS? So far the only thing it shows is a frame of the device...
[15:13] <ogra_> takes 10min +
[15:14] <ogra_> on the first boot
[15:14] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, i was wondering if we shouldnt disable the console actually ... so people use adb/ssh when using the emulator
[15:15] <rsalveti> ogra_: that will be disabled with the 4.4 one
[15:15] <ogra_> ah, cool
[15:15] <xplt> ogra_: o_O Ok, I'll wait
[15:15] <ogra_> it is messy if you can ctrl-c the whol VM
[15:15] <ogra_> (by accident)
[15:16] <xplt> ogra_: Does minimizing of the window affect rendering?
[15:16] <ogra_> shouldnt
[15:16] <xplt> ok, good
[15:21] <renato_> kenvandine, thanks
[15:21] <kenvandine> renato_, np
[15:41] <xplt> It still didn't load, hm...
[15:45] <sharefree> hi
[15:45] <sharefree> Which android phone is good if I would install ubuntu on it ?
[15:46] <popey> nexus 4
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[15:46] <popey> none, all android phones suck
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[15:46]  * ogra_ waits that we can answer maizu mx3 
[15:46] <ogra_> :)
[15:46] <popey> ooooooo
[15:46] <sergiusens> popey, you like that one?
[15:47] <popey> I dont like big phones as a rule
[15:47]  * sergiusens needs to reboot again, graphics card crashed again and seeing weird glyphs
[15:47]  * popey wants something with the power of the mx3 in the size of an iphone 4
[15:47] <brendand> bregma, hi - do you have a moment for a few questions about multitouch support in unity?
[15:47] <sergiusens> popey, hmm, it's strange, but I don't like the feel of an iphone personally
[15:47] <ogra_> popey, i think the bq is smaller
[15:48] <ogra_> but likely not as powerful
[15:48] <popey> oh nice
[15:48] <bregma> brendand, not at the moment, try me again in a couple of hours
[15:48] <popey> i like the robustness of the iphone
[15:48] <popey> I can bang nails in with it (ish)
[15:48]  * brendand sets a reminder to ping bregma
[15:49] <ogra_> popey, well, then just wait for the edge :) we still plan to build it according to some apple sites
[15:49] <sharefree> is ubuntu touch phone to come soon ?
[15:49] <sergiusens> stgraber, can you check https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/c/183/ ?
[15:50] <ogra_> sharefree, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/bq-meizu-ubuntu-smartphones-confirmed-for-2014-release
[15:50] <sharefree> O M G ogra_
[15:51] <sergiusens> popey, well I did that with my note and it resisted, also dared an iphone owner to just do what I had done; they didn't follow
[15:51] <popey> hehe
[15:51] <sergiusens> i don't like a phone that I have to take too much care of; reason I do't like those sleeves people tend to use
[15:52] <ogra_> yeah, they are usually ugly
[15:53] <sharefree> I think ubuntu with 8-core phone would kill Android :]
[15:53] <stgraber> sergiusens: looks good to me
[15:54] <sergiusens> good
[15:54] <sergiusens> stgraber, just wanted to make sure you weren't planning for anything similar or got in your way
[15:56] <ogra_> sergiusens, whats that good for ?
[15:57] <Tassadar> will meizu and bq ubuntu touch phones still run android in container because of drivers (both of them are existing devices which run android right?), or can you get proper linux drivers for those?
[15:57] <ogra_> the former
[15:58] <ogra_> it wont look much different from a nexus4 install i think
[15:58] <sharefree> guy which android phone is good for ubuntu ?
[15:58] <sharefree> should i go with 2 gbs version ?
[15:59] <ogra_> sharefree, get a nexus 4
[15:59] <stgraber> sergiusens: nope, I very rarely touch that code and all testing I do is with actual updates (though sometimes with empty tarballs ;))
[15:59] <sharefree> ogra_, is huawei g700 good ?
[16:00] <ogra_> sharefree, if you like to do a port yourself ...
[16:00] <sergiusens> stgraber, thanks
[16:00] <sergiusens> ogra_, testing the new spinner
[16:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, haha, ok
[16:00] <sharefree> ogra_, isnt ubuntu an app for android ?
[16:01] <sergiusens> sharefree, you can safely say w are not related to android
[16:01] <sergiusens> as safely as some people say android is not linux :-P
[16:01] <ogra_> sharefree, no, it an OS to replace android
[16:01] <sharefree> sergiusens, android is linux
[16:02] <sergiusens> even though they are technically wrong in the latter
[16:02] <sharefree> ogra_, I love ubuntu touch
[16:02] <sergiusens> and they mean the gnu/* userspace
[16:02] <ogra_> sharefree, android uses a linux kernel ... and some linux userspace, the rest is a giant java blob
[16:02] <sharefree> ogra_, oh tht is y it needs lotssssssssss of ram + cores
[16:03] <xplt> ogra_: Technically, it's even not a Java :P
[16:03] <ogra_> heh, true
[16:05] <sharefree> ogra_, I think firefox is good then ?
[16:05] <sharefree> what is the problem with firefox ?
[16:08] <ogra_> sharefree, problem ? is there one ?
[16:12] <sharefree> ogra_, o then wait fr ubuntu
[16:13] <Tassadar> sharefree: you mean firefox os?
[16:13] <ogra_> firefox OS essntially replaces the java part of android
[16:18] <infernalc> are there any ubuntu touch preview images that can be put on an Atom x86 tablet?
[16:19] <ogra_> infernalc, not really ... we have a tarball with x86 rootfs but i doubt that would work nicely without the android container we use
[16:24] <infernalc> I've had my hopes up for a while that there would be a working x86 tablet image. I have several such tablets that meet the requirements listed here - http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet/operators-and-oems .
[16:24] <infernalc> I have some experience building Lubuntu images for arm boards, but I've never tried building anything for an embedded x86 board.
[16:25] <xplt> I still see only blank screen on the emulator (after 10 + 15 minutes of waiting)... Is it possible to debug it somehow?
[16:25] <infernalc> I sort of thought there was something further along since the x86 tablet specs are listed on Canonical's website.
[16:26] <xplt> not blank, but black... Anyway...
[16:29] <timppa> Evening
[16:29] <timppa> any ideas how to get "updates" app back?
[16:33] <sergiusens> didrocks, your CR proved to be worthy; just found a bug in the recovery image for 4.4 :-)
[16:33] <didrocks> sergiusens: oh, waow!
[16:33] <didrocks> yw, wasn't intended
[16:37] <pmcgowan> timppa, aiui the updater in settings now handles apps as well
[16:39] <timppa> pmcgowan: oh, thats cool
[16:39] <timppa> :)
[16:39] <timppa> thanks, I did not know that
[16:39] <pmcgowan> np
[16:40] <sharefree> ogra_, Tassadar what do you guys say about Sailfish OS and tizen ?
[16:42] <Tassadar> I'm not really familiar with tizen nor sailfish os, but from what videos I've seen about sailfish, it looked pretty good
[16:43] <Tassadar> it's not opensource though, I think
[16:44] <timppa> sharefree: I've used sailfish a bit, it is not that user friendly. Takes a lot of time get used to
[16:44] <sharefree> Tassadar, its fully open including UI
[16:44] <sharefree> timppa, and after a while ?
[16:45] <Tassadar> there's one whose GUI isn't open, which one is that?
[16:45] <timppa> sharefree: I stopped using it, wasn't made for me
[16:45] <timppa> :)
[16:45] <sharefree> lol
[16:45] <sharefree> ok
[16:46] <timppa> sharefree: Sailfish edge gestures vs ubuntu touch, ubuntu wins hands down
[16:46] <sharefree> timppa, ya for sure but I did not know that ubuntu phones are coming out this year itself
[16:47] <sharefree> I want an ubuntu phone
[16:47] <sharefree> :]
[16:47] <sharefree> I want one
[16:47] <sharefree> :]
[16:47] <timppa> sharefree: mee too
[16:47] <ogra_> Tassadar, i found using the UI very unintuitive
[16:47] <ogra_> but i only used it like 10 min
[16:47] <Tassadar> I've never used it
[16:48] <timppa> ogra_: sailfish?
[16:48] <sharefree> Although I do not love Ubuntu OS as FSF calls it spyware and not so stable OS but I love Ubuntu based OS like xubuntu and all .. Xubuntu is damn cute and fast but it also crashes a lot .. where as debian stable never does
[16:48] <barry> stgraber: https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu-system-image/citrain-2.1/+merge/207702
[16:48] <barry> stgraber: you might want to mark your branch as superseded by this one
[16:49] <ogra_> timppa, yeah
[16:50] <ogra_> timppa, i guess it is better if you get used to the weird gestures
[16:51] <timppa> ogra_: sure, I've mostly used iOS and android, weird gestures aren't my thing
[16:51] <stgraber> barry: yep, will do. Did merge-upstream work fine?
[16:51] <barry> stgraber: it did!
[16:51] <timppa> ogra_: ubuntu is much much more intuitive, it felt right at first minute
[16:51] <ogra_> timppa, well, i find the ubuntu ones very intuitive from the beginning
[16:51] <ogra_> yeah
[16:51] <ogra_> *snap* :)
[16:52] <timppa> :)
[16:52] <sharefree> i think windows + bb would live as they both would run android apps well
[16:52] <barry> stgraber: i really need to capture that in an alias or file because i'll never remember the details next time ;)
[16:52] <sharefree> bb already does
[16:52] <Tassadar> I'd like ubuntu to have at least "back" button, swipe from the bottom and then tapping back (in for example settings) feels soo slow
[16:54] <sharefree> Tassadar, oh
[16:56] <pmcgowan> Tassadar, there is a design change to have the bb always available
[16:57] <Tassadar> pmcgowan: how does it look like? back button in top left corner like iOS and now Android have, or is the bottom bar always visible?
[16:57] <timppa> pmcgowan: will that be an option in settings to keep the bottom toolbar open?
[16:58] <pmcgowan> Tassadar, yes more like that, up in the header I believe, should see that come along soon
[16:58] <Tassadar> cool
[16:58] <pmcgowan> the bottom bar is getting some revisting, new designs look much better
[17:00] <timp> timppa: the option to 'lock' the toolbar is already there for app developers
[17:01] <timppa> timp: ok, I don't mind it being closed when not needed
[17:01] <timp> timppa: it is up to the app developer now to decide whether it hides automatically or stays open
[17:01] <timp> default is auto-hide
[17:02] <timp> pmcgowan, Tassadar yes the back button will go to the top-left in the header
[17:04] <timppa> ok
[17:05] <ahayzen> timp, is/could there there be an option to lock the header in a certain open/closed state?
[17:08] <timp> ahayzen: at the moment, you can disable header hiding when scrolling by setting the Page's flickable to null, see http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Components.Page/#flickable-prop
[17:08] <timp> ahayzen: but since more functionality will be added to the header we should consider having a more obvious way of doing it
[17:09] <ahayzen> timp, ooo interesting...it was just something i thought of when trying to resolve a music-app bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1239106
[17:09] <ahayzen> timp, but i also guess if there will be back button in the header we may want to use tht instead, would need design on this
[17:10] <timp> ahayzen: yes it makes sense to move close/cancel buttons to the header also, but please do speak to the designers about that
[17:10] <ahayzen> timp, ah but we want the header to disappear and stay gone with our current design...not stay visible
[17:10] <ahayzen> timp, yeah probably best, thanks
[17:11] <timp> ahayzen: that should work if you set the page title to "".. but if you have tabs there is currently no way to keep the header hidden
[17:11] <ahayzen> timp, hmmm ok i'll have a play
[17:11] <ahayzen> timp, while ur hear regard this merge i think we decided we were gonna approve it but open a bug to add the autopilot test? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/202171
[17:12] <timp> ahayzen: I'll be working on adding more features to the header that should start to appear in the UITK soon, so if there are use cases for stuff that is not possible feel free to ask me about it
[17:12] <ahayzen> timp, will do... i'll ask design wht they want us to do and then figure out wht we need
[17:13] <timp> ahayzen: give me some time to refresh my memory for that MR.. I had holidays since I last looked at it :)
[17:13] <ahayzen> timp, hehe no problem...i'll do a merge of trunk on it anyway...gimme me a sec
[17:17] <timppa> shou
[17:17] <timppa> oops
[17:18] <timppa> should the alarm clock be working now?
[17:18] <timppa> I just tried it but it did not work
[17:26] <timp> elopio: what you are saying on https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/202171 is that you want a regression test to verify that the animation is there?
[17:29] <matv1> @anyone is the system-image update bug that barry reported on tuesday still an issue?
[17:29] <matv1> I mean the one that was reported on the phone mailinglist
[17:30] <barry> matv1: the ui change that triggered this was backed out.  we're in the process of trying to land a new update stack that includes a new ubuntu-download-manager, system-image, and re-enables the ui change.  we *think* we've fixed it
[17:32] <matv1> aha. so i guess that means you dont need anymore testing on the fix you proposed?
[17:40] <matv1> barry  i guess that means you dont need anymore testing on the fix you proposed in the mail?
[17:41] <elopio> timp, well, I think that we need tests for the properties held, confirmRemovalDialog.waitingForConfirmation and backgroundIndicator.state
[17:42] <elopio> that they start with the right values, and that their values are changed after the right events
[17:43] <elopio> but I don't know how is the coverage status of those modules, I leave the decision of approving it to you.
[17:44] <timp> renato_: ^ maybe something for you to look at? I can do but it takes some time since I'm not familiar with this code
[17:44] <timp> its eow for me now
[18:05] <brendand> bregma, available now?
[18:05] <bregma> brendand, sure, what do you need to know?
[18:07] <timppa> Insane! Alarm clock works now with image 200
[18:07] <timppa> :)
[18:07] <timppa> Only problem with it seems to be that it does not handle timezones
[18:08] <timppa> I'm on GMT+2 but I needed to add the alarm in GMT+0
[19:03] <barry> robru, cyphermox, balloons: ping re: americas tz landings
[19:06] <balloons> barry: eh?
[19:07] <barry> balloons: hi.  so, what happens next to get this mp into the silo containing udm and system-settings?  https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu-system-image/citrain-2.1/+merge/207702
[19:08] <robru> barry, so you'd need to add that to the spreadsheet here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFlCc1VzeVZzWmdBZS11WERjdVc3dmc&usp=sharing#gid=0 and then I'd have to reconfigure the silo, and then whoever owns the silo would need to rebuild.
[19:08] <balloons> ^^ :-)
[19:09] <robru> barry, so it looks like you'd have to add that to cell F13. Do you have edit rights?
[19:10] <barry> robru: i do not
[19:13] <robru> barry, ok, you do now. just keep in mind it's space-separated when you add that
[19:13] <robru> barry, and be aware of the merge-orders, if one MP depends on another and they merge in the wrong order they can conflict.
[19:14] <barry> robru: okay.  keep in mind that this is my first time riding the train, so i'm mostly guessing at what goes in there.  please tell me if the process is documented anywhere other than in your head or mailing list posts (which get out of date and are hard to discover)
[19:15] <robru> barry, I'm not sure if we have a wiki on that. hrmrmm. well i'm always here to answer questions for now ;-)
[19:15] <barry> robru: i appreciate that, for sure.  this is really a plea for *documentation*
[19:16] <robru> barry, noted.
[19:53] <nik90> dpm: did you read timppa's message above? It seems as of image 200, alarm clock works :) ... no idea how..but I will test when #200 is promoted
[19:55] <pmcgowan> nik90, dpm it worked just great for me, I did not have any issue with timezone
[19:56] <nik90> pmcgowan: so you get the snap notifications?
[19:56] <pmcgowan> nik90, yes
[19:56] <nik90> pmcgowan: wow awesome!!! Any idea when #200 will be promoted?
[19:56] <pmcgowan> nik90, they are testing it now
[19:56] <pmcgowan> nik90, I did notice a bug
[19:57] <pmcgowan> edit an existing alarm, then save, doesnt get the new setting
[19:57] <nik90> pmcgowan: erm that's weird
[19:58] <nik90> pmcgowan: as of image #194, it seems to work..since I just try editing an existing alarm
[19:58] <nik90> pmcgowan: it is not instant, it took 2-3 seconds to update
[19:59] <pmcgowan> nik90, not working here, maybe I will delete them all and try again
[19:59] <nik90> pmcgowan: but I will get to the bottom of this once the update lands
[19:59] <nik90> pmcgowan: please report a bug if you can reproduce it again with the new alarms
[19:59] <dpm> nik90, pmcgowan, oh wow, this is good news!
[20:00] <pmcgowan> nik90, still not working here, will file a bug
[20:03] <pmcgowan> thanks to charles I believe
[20:05] <nik90> yup
[20:07] <pmcgowan> nik90, do you have the timer set to play a sound? seems not right now
[20:07] <nik90> pmcgowan: no it doesn't play a sound ...
[20:08] <nik90> pmcgowan: I actually had a branch to do it by playing a sound when the timer ran out..but then that didnt work when the clock app was in the background
[20:08] <nik90> pmcgowan: so I talked to bfiller, who suggested that I use the alarms API for the timer as well..but we need some changes to the alarms API before that can be done
[20:08] <pmcgowan> makes sense
[20:09] <nik90> so I need to coordinate with the SDK team and this work item will take a bit more time to land.
[20:20] <popey> nik90: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-21-201748.png
[20:20] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-21-201834.png
[20:20] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-21-202002.png
[20:20] <popey> ☻
[20:20] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-21-202032.png
[20:20] <popey> \o/
[20:24] <miseria> "nunca trates de abarcar el mundo con las dos manos, al final de tus dias, te quedaras sin manos y sin mundo" *bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[20:26] <pmcgowan> popey, was your device suspended?
[20:26] <popey> no, it was awake
[20:27] <popey> i can test that tho
[20:27] <pmcgowan> popey, I am trying again here
[20:27] <pmcgowan> as I had it plugged into usb first time I think
[20:27] <popey> i didnt think we had the kernel smarts to wake it yet
[20:28] <nik90> pmcgowan and popey: can you also test when the clock app is *closed* and not just suspended
[20:28] <popey> ya
[20:28] <nik90> pmcgowan and popey: also do you see a list of alarms in the indicator datetime?
[20:28] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-21-202844.png
[20:28] <popey> yes
[20:28] <pmcgowan> yes
[20:29] <pmcgowan> the UI has gotten quite nice
[20:29] <popey> yeah
[20:29] <popey> i love the little animations on stopwatch and timer
[20:30] <popey> ooh!
[20:30] <popey> it rings when on standby!
[20:30] <popey> doesnt wake screen
[20:30] <pmcgowan> then it was done properly
[20:30] <nik90> popey: please keep this under wraps for now..I have a special blog post coming up for this if you dont mind
[20:30] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-02-21-203016.png
[20:30] <popey> nik90: sure thing ☻
[20:30] <popey> Nice work everyone!
[20:30] <nik90> ty
[20:30] <pmcgowan> popey, I will bug that bit to wake the screen
[20:31] <nik90> ty charles and thostr_ who are not in this channel yet
[20:31] <popey> kk
[20:31] <popey> what a great way to end the week
[20:31] <pmcgowan> hmm mine didnt go off this time
[20:31] <popey> also, kunal has performance fixes for calendar in the pipe
[20:35] <charles> popey, nik90: \o/
[20:37] <nik90> charles: I owe you a beer when we meet
[20:38] <popey> \o/ beer
[20:38] <charles> if we all buy each other beers... I *think* that will mean more beer for everyone
[20:39] <nik90> Yes ;)
[20:45] <pmcgowan> nik90, charles there does seem to be an issue with the alarms and timezone
[20:46] <nik90> pmcgowan: whats wrong?
[20:46] <pmcgowan> by 3:30 eastern alarm says 8:30 on the indicator
[20:47] <popey> Move to London.
[20:47] <popey> "Fix committed"
[20:47] <pmcgowan> move everyone to london then
[20:47] <barry> robru: did you give barry.warsaw@canonical.com write access to the ci train spreadsheet?  i cannot seem to edit it
[20:48] <pmcgowan> nik90, is that a problem in the app or backend or do you know?
[20:48] <robru> barry, uhhhh... i told it to send an email to the address I shared it with
[20:48] <robru> barry, re-shared, try again
[20:49]  * popey changes tz to play
[20:49] <barry> robru: beautiful, thanks
[20:49] <pmcgowan> popey, change it then reboot to be sure, as it worked "once" here
[20:49] <popey> ya
[20:49] <nik90> pmcgowan: is the time only incorrect in the indicator? What I mean is that does the alarm ring at the correct time?
[20:49] <pmcgowan> nik90, it did not ring at the set time
[20:50] <pmcgowan> nik90, it showed the 3:30pm alarm, which went away
[20:50] <pmcgowan> after reboot it showed it at 8:30
[20:50] <barry> robru: okay, cell 13 updated. please let me know if i did it correctly, or if there's anything else you need from me
[20:51] <nik90> pmcgowan: that's bad.. I will have to do some tests and see what's wrong
[20:52] <popey> hm
[20:52] <nik90> pmcgowan: it could be that clock is sending the wrong time to the alarms api..
[20:52] <popey> Went to system settings and changed TZ to New York, now when I open clock, it says the right time, but still says "Farnborough" as my location
[20:53] <robru> barry, are you coordinating with ralsina_ on this landing?
[20:53] <nik90> popey: known bug..basically I need add a logic statement there to send the user to the system setting app when that happens
[20:53] <popey> nik90: set an alarm for 4pm, indicator shows time as 3:35 (correct) but alarm will be 9:00PM
[20:54]  * ralsina_ peeks
[20:54] <barry> robru: yes, i think all three of those things are in the same silo
[20:54] <barry> ralsina_: hi!
[20:54] <ralsina_> barry: is this about silo 10?
[20:54] <robru> ralsina_, yes
[20:54] <barry> robru: if silo == row#, it's 13
[20:54] <robru> barry, no
[20:55] <barry> oh i see it's the purply cell
[20:55] <nik90> popey: I am going to have dinner now.. Will test this out during the weekend and get a bug fix out for this
[20:55] <pmcgowan> popey, nik90 I will enter a bug on clock and indicator, not sure what layer is the issue
[20:55] <popey> k
[20:55] <nik90> pmcgowan: sure
[20:56] <nik90> popey: one last thing
[20:56] <nik90> If you are on UTC London is the alarm time correct?
[20:56] <robru> barry, so I'm  not sure how you came to the conclusion that your branch needed to be in the same silo there. does your branch depend on changes in those other branhces?
[20:57] <popey> nik90: all works fine in utc
[20:58] <popey> (well for 6 months of the year, bet it fails when we switch to BST)
[20:58] <robru> barry, at first I just assumed you were coordinating with ralsina_ since it's his silo. but I'm starting to think I was wrong...
[20:58] <ogra_> how do you store the alarms ? in userspace or in some system service ?
[20:58] <barry> robru: yes, they're all related.  system-image depends on ubuntu-download-manager and it's consumed by system-settings.  the latter's branch iiuc, re-enables the ui feature that triggered the whole downloading breakage, and the former has fixes that should help system-image be more stable.  as well as of course the fixes in system-image
[20:58] <ralsina_> robru: I am there as lander because download-manager is involved and mandel is in my team but barry and mandel can do much better testing than I can
[20:59] <barry> robru: plus, that's what everyone's been telling me to do, and i am a good button pushing monkey :)
[20:59] <robru> barry, ok ok. if somebody told you to do it that way it's ok. i just wasn't aware of the connection between those components.
[21:00] <barry> robru: yes, in fact i'd go further and say that any change to any of those three components needs to go through the system-image test plan
[21:00] <robru> barry, so the next step is for me to reconfig the silo
[21:01] <barry> robru: so i've been told, though i'm not sure what that actually means/entails
[21:01] <robru> barry, just a bunch of button-pushing. I'm doing it ;-)
[21:01] <barry> robru: \o/
[21:02] <robru> barry, ok that's done
[21:02] <barry> robru: awesome, thanks.  now what? :)
[21:02] <robru> barry, next step is that the designated lander has to click build.
[21:02] <barry> gotcha
[21:03] <robru> ralsina_, so if you could click build on silo 10 for us
[21:03] <robru> please & thanks
[21:03] <ralsina_> robru: sure thign!
[21:03] <ralsina_> there, build #17 http://162.213.34.102/job/landing-010-1-build/17/console
[21:04] <ralsina_> barry: do you have a designated lander for system-image? If you don't I am happy to handle it
[21:04] <barry> ralsina_: no, i don't believe we do, unless stgraber is that guy
[21:05] <robru> barry, so once that build is done, you can enable the PPA on your system, install everything in there, and test it to your hearts content. when you're happy, I can click 'publish' and it goes to distro
[21:05] <barry> robru: sweet, thanks.
[21:08] <ralsina_> barry: yes, it's stgraber for you
[21:09] <ralsina_> barry: if u-d-m goes along for the ride, either him or I can do the landing for you
[21:10] <stgraber> ralsina_: right, since he's pushing to an existing silo (udm), I assumed whoever was working on that landing would take care of it
[21:10] <ralsina_> stgraber: yes, I just was not pinged :-)
[21:10] <ralsina_> stgraber: as soon as my name came up, I peeked
[21:10] <nik90> ogra_: they are stored in an alarm service EDS
[21:12] <barry> ralsina_: yes, we definitely need all three components tested and landed together
[21:13] <ralsina_> barry: ok, let me know if you need any rebuilds in that PPA I can do them anytime
[21:13] <barry> ralsina_: great, thanks
[21:15] <ogra_> nik90, hmm, i wonder if that somehow starts without having the tzdata available
[21:17] <nik90> ogra_: I suspect so...however I just want to make sure that the clock app is not at fault here before filing a bug in the SDK
[21:28] <CarloBanana> hello to everybody
[21:28] <CarloBanana> it's the first time for me here :)
[21:29] <ogra_> welcome
[21:29] <CarloBanana> thanks
[21:30] <Akiva-Mobile> Can I get this article a few thumbs up so it makes it into the linux action show? http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/1yis9c/canonical_announces_first_partners_to_ship_ubuntu/ -- Thanks!
[21:30] <xnox_> sergiusens: shorts_app, seems to have a non-existent branch in the manifest...
[21:30] <xnox_> sergiusens: is it inprogress doing launchpad project rename?
[21:31] <sergiusens> xnox_, hmm, I didn't approve or create that mr
[21:32] <sergiusens> xnox_, check with balloons
[21:32] <xnox_> balloons: shorts-app is busted =)
[21:32] <sergiusens> xnox_, I think is should be lp:ubuntu-rssreader-app
[21:33]  * sergiusens checks to relax a bit from a tough bug
[21:34] <balloons> xnox_: sergiusens we're discussing now in #ubuntu-ci-eng
[21:34] <sergiusens> i have a fix fwiw
[21:56] <mterry> boiko, what launches telephony-service-indicator?
[21:58] <boiko> mterry: for now, telepathy's mission-control-5
[21:59] <mterry> boiko, and what triggers it?
[22:20] <ogra_> Saviq, have you seen the ML ? seems someone complains he cant update his apps anymore since the click updater was removed ...
[22:21] <ogra_> (i forgot for whom you pinged me)
[22:22] <Saviq> ogra_, for seb
[22:23] <ogra_> no, that was someone else
[22:23] <Saviq> ogra_, ah right
[22:23]  * ogra_ remembers a nick starting with g 
[22:23] <ogra_> i'll search the logs, dont bother
[22:24] <Saviq> ogra_, gato
[22:24] <Saviq> x
[22:24] <ogra_> yeah, just found him in the logs :)
[22:24] <ogra_> not around though :)
[22:27] <Saviq> ogra_, hopefully someone's just missing the icon, and just doesn't know to do it in system-settings
[22:27] <ogra_> is there anything special you need to do ?
[22:28] <ogra_> i thought just opening the updated page would be enough
[22:28] <ogra_> (i havent gotten any app updated either though)
[22:49] <Saviq> jono, you've got mail, sorry it took so long
[22:49] <Saviq> jono, let me know if you'd like some others, I've got my devices set up for screenshots
[22:49] <Saviq> /food
[22:50] <jono> Saviq, thanks, man, I will check them now
[22:50] <barry> ralsina_: so does http://162.213.34.102/job/landing-010-1-build/17/console mean a successful build of the silo?
[22:51] <ralsina_> barry: yes, so you have all the packages in the PPA now
[22:51] <barry> ralsina_: cool, and which ppa is that?
[22:52] <ralsina_> barry: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-014/
[22:52] <ralsina_> barry: oops, sorry, same with 010 :-)
[22:52] <barry> ralsina_: got it :)
[22:52] <barry> ralsina_: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-010/+packages
[22:53] <barry> ralsina_: failures in udm and uss on powerpc
[22:53] <barry> ralsina_: well, depwaits
[22:53] <ralsina_> barry: well... that should not matter a lot, right?
[22:53] <ralsina_> barry: at least for testing
[22:54] <barry> ralsina_: yeah, probably not.  the armhf builds look good, so they are testable on my device
[22:54] <ralsina_> cool
[22:55] <utack> does the whatsapp code takedown mean anythign for ubuntu touch? https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2014-02-12-WhatsApp.md
[22:55] <utack> like whatsapp further away than ever?
[23:11] <xnox_> utack: i don't think it means anything, given how e.g. facebook is a pre-shipped webapp on the phone.
[23:12] <utack> xnox_, who knows if whatsapp persists that way
[23:15] <barry> ralsina_: okay, i've tested the packages in landing-010 and they seem to work for me.  what's next?
[23:16] <ralsina_> barry: now we grab a stack of bibles... ;-)
[23:16] <barry> ralsina_: do we want to get someone else to verify first? :)
[23:16] <ralsina_> barry: yeah
[23:17] <ralsina_> barry: if it can wait until monday, I suppose mandel is a good tester
[23:17] <barry> ralsina_: yes, let's do that.  plus i will invoke warsaw's 2nd law.  monday sounds good
[23:17] <ralsina_> good, mail him just in case
[23:17] <ralsina_> with PPA URLs and such
[23:17] <barry> ralsina_: thanks