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| mapps | hey | 03:45 |
|---|---|---|
| shauno | go to sleep! | 03:46 |
| mapps | no! | 03:47 |
| mapps | you! | 03:47 |
| shauno | that's ... not a bad idea | 03:47 |
| mapps | ;] | 03:48 |
| mapps | hey | 06:40 |
| jussi01 | morning mapps | 06:41 |
| MooDoo_ | morning all | 06:43 |
| === MooDoo_ is now known as MooDoo | ||
| jussi01 | morning mapps | 06:44 |
| jussi01 | and failed tab complete.... | 06:44 |
| jussi01 | meant for MooDoo :) | 06:45 |
| MooDoo | Don't worry today is a #fail for me as well :D | 06:45 |
| jussi01 | MooDoo: actually, Im feeling very positive about today :) | 06:46 |
| MooDoo | yay :D | 06:47 |
| jussi01 | MooDoo: I made myself a very yummy smoothie - its a rocking way to start the day | 06:47 |
| MooDoo | Just enabled locally integrated menus on my laptop :) 14.04 is shaping up to rock. | 06:49 |
| mapps | hey jussi01 whats up dude | 06:50 |
| mapps | oh jussi01 didnt even mean to say hi to me | 06:50 |
| mapps | sheesh | 06:50 |
| mapps | ;p | 06:50 |
| jussi01 | mapps: Im having a good enough day that I pinged you twice :D | 06:50 |
| mapps | =] | 06:50 |
| jussi01 | mapps: I had said hi before! | 06:50 |
| mapps | ah yea | 06:50 |
| mapps | lol | 06:50 |
| jussi01 | hehe | 06:50 |
| mapps | pinged me? why:) | 06:50 |
| jussi01 | (the 2x hi...) | 06:51 |
| mapps | oh lol | 06:51 |
| mapps | thought you meant a ping cmd;p | 06:51 |
| mapps | ;] | 06:51 |
| jussi01 | haha | 06:53 |
| mapps | 14.04 isnt out? what is this a test rls? | 06:53 |
| jussi01 | who what? | 06:54 |
| mapps | 14.04 release | 06:55 |
| MooDoo | 14.04 isn't released until april, it's not even alpha yet I don't think | 06:59 |
| mapps | yea | 06:59 |
| MooDoo | works fine at the moment though for me | 06:59 |
| mapps | thought someone said they did dist upgrde to 14.04 | 07:00 |
| mapps | u on 14.04? | 07:00 |
| MooDoo | yeah i did | 07:00 |
| MooDoo | went from 12.04 to 14.04 LTS | 07:00 |
| mapps | what is it then if not an alpha ..a dev build youre on? | 07:00 |
| MooDoo | well you just update-managed -d to upgrade it :) | 07:01 |
| MooDoo | update-manager | 07:01 |
| jussi01 | mapps: its alpha2 already | 07:01 |
| MooDoo | ah I stand corrected | 07:01 |
| jussi01 | mapps: I have it on one machine | 07:02 |
| mapps | so youre on alpha2 MooDoo ? lts?:P its an alpha | 07:02 |
| mapps | :P | 07:02 |
| mapps | hehe | 07:02 |
| jussi01 | sudo do-release-upgrade -d | 07:02 |
| MooDoo | ah yes alpha 2 my mistake, any whoo runs ok at the moment :D | 07:02 |
| mapps | yea | 07:02 |
| mapps | 14.04 gonna be lts? | 07:02 |
| MooDoo | yes | 07:03 |
| jussi01 | Kubuntu is running fine also | 07:03 |
| MooDoo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases | 07:03 |
| jussi01 | the devel releases have been _much_ better since they brought in a whole bunch more testing | 07:03 |
| MooDoo | and now they have put the menus in the window title bar which is nice | 07:03 |
| mapps | kubuntu what rls | 07:04 |
| jussi01 | we pretty much now just have ubuntu as a rolling release, with milestone "stable" releases | 07:04 |
| jussi01 | mapps: 14.04 and 13.10 | 07:04 |
| jussi01 | 14.04 on the home lappy, 13.10 on the work machine | 07:04 |
| mapps | u have 14/.04 and 13.10 for kubuntu|? | 07:04 |
| mapps | aha | 07:04 |
| mapps | what u using atm o this machine | 07:04 |
| jussi01 | Im at work now | 07:05 |
| mapps | aha | 07:05 |
| MooDoo | windows 7 at work :( | 07:06 |
| mapps | =[ | 07:06 |
| MooDoo | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam | 07:08 |
| MooDoo | any one up for a google+ hangout on the saturday evening of the global jam? | 07:09 |
| mapps | ive never used google+ | 07:09 |
| mapps | is it worth me trying 14.04 MooDoo im on 13.10? | 07:09 |
| MooDoo | mapps: depends, remember 14.04 is only alpha and prone to break every time you dist-upgrade, although it's not for me yet. So entirely up to you. if it's a stable machine you're using now, then no. If you want to play and bug test and don't mind your machine crashing every two mins then go for it. | 07:10 |
| mapps | how many machines u use? | 07:11 |
| MooDoo | mapps: I'm nuts so I've just got the one laptop at home, and I don't mind re-installing my OS every two mins if things break besides I dual boot with windows 8 so no great loss if I need to re-install ubuntu. | 07:12 |
| MooDoo | Not had to yet though :D | 07:12 |
| MooDoo | If you're unsure don't bother, it'll be out in a few months any way :D | 07:12 |
| mapps | only one laptop?! no desktop/server?! !! | 07:14 |
| mapps | and it must be a new laptop running windows8 ..what you do with your old ones..shouldnt chuck anything away | 07:14 |
| MooDoo | mapps: ok I've got a VPS, which I'm talking to you from now, and a windows 7 server in my garage, but that's it. I do have a 1u server waiting for memory and hdd's but can't afford the kit yet. I'll vmware that baby | 07:15 |
| mapps | what did you do with your old machines? as a windows8 laptop must be new! | 07:15 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: vmware.. or virt-manager/libvirt/kvm? :) | 07:15 |
| MooDoo | mapps: the old laptop was broke so I chucked it. | 07:16 |
| mapps | =[ | 07:16 |
| MooDoo | mapps: I like vmware, never played with virt-manager, I could look into it I suppose :D | 07:16 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: no, I mean, use kvm + virt-manager etc, instead of buying vmware and using that | 07:16 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: Damn you forcing me into looking at cool stuff :) | 07:16 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: buying? vmware esx is free isn't it still? | 07:17 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: but still, it's not built into the kernel, is it? | 07:17 |
| MartijnVdS | "VMware ESXi is a smaller footprint version of ESX that does not include the ESX Service Console. It is available without the need to purchase a vCenter license as a free download from VMware with some features disabled." | 07:18 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: nope, then again I might just sell the 1u and get a couple of cheap desktops and look into playing with cloud software, liking the sound of juju :D | 07:18 |
| === jussi01 is now known as jussi | ||
| MooDoo | lol it's taken me all this time to realised the debian release code names were pixar related .. doh!!! | 07:25 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: wow.. you didn't know?! | 07:25 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: such a looser I know | 07:26 |
| MooDoo | next you'll be telling me the ubuntu ones were animals. | 07:26 |
| MartijnVdS | what's Fedora's theme thouhg | 07:28 |
| MooDoo | the new name must have a relationship to the last name | 07:30 |
| MooDoo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names | 07:31 |
| MartijnVdS | "beefy miracle" wut | 07:31 |
| MooDoo | lol that was a fun one | 07:31 |
| MartijnVdS | it sounds.. 18+ | 07:32 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: it's logo - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-V0jXwSQrxVU/T9vJREtUg4I/AAAAAAAAAk8/NjF7EjyEFgs/s1600/fedora17-beefy-miracle-500x253.jpg | 07:32 |
| jussi | sperical cow was awesomely named :D | 07:33 |
| jussi | spherical* | 07:34 |
| MartijnVdS | weirdos :) | 07:39 |
| MooDoo | lol | 07:39 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 07:53 |
| MooDoo | morning | 07:55 |
| jussi | o/ | 08:00 |
| SuperMatt | sup dudes? | 08:11 |
| jussi | morning SuperMatt | 08:12 |
| SuperMatt | y'all right? | 08:13 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:15 |
| * jussi is having a good day :) | 08:17 | |
| SuperMatt | huzzah! | 08:17 |
| * SuperMatt is simply interested to see how this day goes | 08:18 | |
| SuperMatt | I have a full day on tickets after a month of being here | 08:18 |
| jussi | MartijnVdS: Jono got dressed up for Beefy miracle: http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6224/6317631242_b3dfdb4b57_o.jpg | 08:19 |
| MooDoo | morning morning | 08:19 |
| SuperMatt | D: | 08:19 |
| SuperMatt | it's too early for that sort of thign | 08:19 |
| MooDoo | jussi: wow blast from the past | 08:19 |
| SuperMatt | why do you do this to us? | 08:19 |
| jussi | haha | 08:19 |
| MooDoo | I've have to reschedule my MS exam booooo | 08:19 |
| jussi | MooDoo: aaaaawwww | 08:19 |
| jussi | :P | 08:19 |
| SuperMatt | delaying the pain? I feel sorry for you :( | 08:19 |
| MooDoo | SuperMatt: april now :( | 08:20 |
| === Dave2_ is now known as Dave2 | ||
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:51 |
| nigelb | Hello bigcalm | 08:52 |
| MooDoo | morning morning | 08:54 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:08 |
| MooDoo | hello czajkowski :) | 09:10 |
| * jussi waves to czajkowski | 09:11 | |
| daubers | Morning all | 09:19 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 09:19 |
| bigcalm | Looking at my bank account online, there is a payment to PayPal for 92p but there's no corresponding activity on my PayPal account. I wonder what's going on? | 09:20 |
| diplo | bigcalm: Isn't that a test thing to check account? Used to be 10-12p or something ? I'd raise a question with them | 09:22 |
| MartijnVdS | it was €0,01/€0,02 here | 09:22 |
| MartijnVdS | and they deposited that in my account! | 09:22 |
| diplo | MartijnVdS has a better memory than me.. I just remember a charge :) | 09:23 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: I just searched my online bank thing for the first mention of 'paypal' | 09:24 |
| MartijnVdS | .. and it had enough logs to show me that authorization :) | 09:24 |
| diplo | :) | 09:24 |
| brobostigon | good morning boys and girls. | 09:26 |
| MooDoo | morning | 09:32 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:34 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Mother Language Day! :-D | 09:37 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: Ook goeiemorgen! :) | 09:39 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, baie dankie! | 09:40 |
| JamesTait | (Sorry, I'm attempting to utilise what little Afrikaans I kind of know, so I might be way off) | 09:40 |
| brobostigon | guten morgen JamesTait | 09:41 |
| JamesTait | Auch du, brobostigon. :) | 09:41 |
| brobostigon | du auch :) | 09:41 |
| JamesTait | I was always hopeless at German. ;) | 09:42 |
| brobostigon | living in germany for around ten years as a child when my dad worked there, did help. | 09:42 |
| jussi | Hyvää Huomenta kaikkille :) | 09:45 |
| JamesTait | I found the same living in London for three years - helped me to make sense of those strange sounds the people down south make. ;) | 09:45 |
| jussi | even though my mother language is 'strayan.... | 09:45 |
| JamesTait | jussi, bless you! | 09:45 |
| JamesTait | Or is that one you need a cream for? | 09:46 |
| jussi | lol | 09:46 |
| JamesTait | It looks painful, whatever it is. :-P | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | how do you pronounce that? | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | it looks almost as hard to pronounce as Welsh | 09:47 |
| JamesTait | Steady on! | 09:47 |
| JamesTait | It looks as much like someone just mashed the keyboard as Welsh though. | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: Proper keyboards don't have ä in an easily mashable position though | 09:48 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, maybe you're not mashing correctly. :-P | 09:49 |
| daubers | You people and your weird characters | 09:49 |
| jussi | so | 09:49 |
| jussi | who-vää (a with umlaut is like a in apple) who-oh-men-ta kaik-ki-leh | 09:51 |
| MartijnVdS | but how do you pronounce two umlauted letters in a row?! | 09:51 |
| MartijnVdS | just longer? | 09:52 |
| jussi | yes | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | jussi: https://www.facebook.com/vandeStreekBier/photos/a.451423728273961.1073741825.417406958342305/608163202600012/?type=1&theater | 09:52 |
| JamesTait | Is kaik like cake, or like kike? | 09:53 |
| jussi | kike | 09:53 |
| MartijnVdS | jussi: one of my brewing brothers is in Tampere (I think) atm :) | 09:53 |
| jussi | :D | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | Ooo, Linux Voice just popped through my letter box | 09:54 |
| popey | \o/ Linux Voice arrived | 10:25 |
| jussi | popey: seems to be a common theme :D | 10:25 |
| SuperMatt | linux voice? | 10:25 |
| popey | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice | 10:26 |
| SuperMatt | h cool | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | oh | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | oh, it's magic | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | ¬.¬ | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | :P | 10:30 |
| MartijnVdS | top | 10:31 |
| foobarry | linux voice sounds like some political pressure group | 10:33 |
| bigcalm | Top left of the cover "Stop President Obama from reading your emails" - it's political already | 10:34 |
| foobarry | LOL | 10:35 |
| foobarry | little bit sensationalist | 10:35 |
| foobarry | i don't think barry obama has the time to personally read my mail | 10:35 |
| bigcalm | According to Ars Technica, "Ubuntu desktop moving application menus back into application windows". I had just got used to the global menu system | 10:35 |
| foobarry | global menu was a major reason in me going away | 10:36 |
| kvarley | But offtopic but are there any webdevs here? | 10:36 |
| dwatkins | but yes | 10:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | the global menu is a total PITA on a big screen - I'm forever moving the mouse miles to get to the menu. So glad in-app menus are coming back. :-D | 10:36 |
| popey | bigcalm: you can still use it | 10:37 |
| popey | its optional | 10:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | kvarley: Kind of | 10:37 |
| kvarley | I have an issue solely with Firefox 27 and up. MJPEG <img>s aren't working. They either load the first frame or the first second then stop working. If switch the tag to <iframe> they work. In Firefox 26 the site works perfectly tho. Ideas? | 10:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Sorry nope. Never heard of MJPEG until now ;-) | 10:39 |
| kvarley | Haha no worries thanks anyway TheOpenSourcerer | 10:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Helpful? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5269376/cross-browser-solution-for-displaying-mjpeg-stream | 10:42 |
| kvarley | TheOpenSourcerer: The original system used cambozola. I want to avoid it. No need for plugins it's 2014!! haha | 10:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 10:43 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: just stream plain H.264 using <video> elements ;) | 10:43 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: maybe <video> does MJPEG too? | 10:43 |
| kvarley | TheOpenSourcerer: Annoyingly I NEED Firefox to work because it's the only browser that lets me change the max persistent http connections per server | 10:43 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: why do you need so many though? | 10:44 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: It's a CCTV system. 1 stream per camera | 10:44 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: ah.. I've had lots of problems with keeping the connections going with that | 10:45 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: for more than 10 minutes | 10:45 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| kvarley | Anybody know if SPDY still limits max persistent connections? | 11:01 |
| kvarley | Reading online I get the impression it shoves many streams down one pipe essentially | 11:02 |
| jmorgan_ | /join difftunes | 12:05 |
| bigcalm | Is that were the output of diff is auto-tuned? | 12:09 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: diff foo bar > /dev/audio | 12:14 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: Just the sound of madness | 12:16 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: One Step Beyond! | 12:16 |
| bigcalm | I used to SSH into a friends' machine and cat something from /boot to friends' /dev/audio | 12:17 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: alarm clock style? | 12:17 |
| bigcalm | Na, just to be a dick :P | 12:17 |
| MooDoo | madness madness brings you nothing but gladness, buy a sekonda, it'll bring you nothing but gladness | 12:18 |
| xnox_ | Need to get 1,471 MB of archives. | 12:18 |
| * MooDoo wonders if people are to young to remember that | 12:18 | |
| xnox_ | i love the FF rush of uploads. | 12:18 |
| bigcalm | A rush of uploads to the head | 12:37 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| diplo | Anyone here do much in the way of infosec ? Or actually not really needing that.. | 12:45 |
| diplo | Basically recently we've had a few customers servers connected to via weak passwords and irc bot/servers installed on them | 12:46 |
| diplo | Running very old versions of distros, I'm trying to find out responsibility on this point, I read a document about it a little while ago that as we offer the service we are responsible, even though customers refuse to let us upgrade | 12:47 |
| diplo | Wondering if anyone knows of any write ups about it so I can read and pass around, failing on my searches atm | 12:47 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: I think it depends on what was communicated between you and customer about upgrading and (password) security | 12:48 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: if you warned them that the software was old, and insecure, I'd guess it's their problem | 12:48 |
| diplo | We ( as a software company ) offer services like Firewall boxes and sysadmin stuff for customers, the guys who do it aren't that knowledgeable, I've found these things without anyone noticing it | 12:49 |
| diplo | :/ | 12:49 |
| diplo | I read something that basically countered that MartijnVdS, but for the life of me I can't find it. | 12:50 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: ouch! | 12:50 |
| diplo | I've told my bosses in a meeting last week that what we offer is appalling and not secure and they really ought to find out if they are liable, guess what.. they asked me to :/ | 12:51 |
| diplo | I'm a software guy in the company supposedly | 12:51 |
| MartijnVdS | php? ;) | 12:54 |
| brobostigon | star trek, undiscovered country, film4 13:50, :) | 12:54 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: Shakespearen Klingons? | 12:54 |
| brobostigon | oh yes, :) | 12:54 |
| diplo | php/simple ( our own language :( ) python/perl/c/c++ | 12:54 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: sometimes, bosses only (want to) listen to an outside consultant. | 12:55 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: maybe get one to do a security audit of your system/software (NDAs in place etc. of course) | 12:55 |
| diplo | But if anything goes wrong, basically I have to fix it as the guys who work here know what they know and not much more | 12:55 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: ugh.. | 12:56 |
| MooDoo | diplo: ffs sack them and get people in that know, you can't be held responsible for everything, are you a manager as you should be doing that stuff | 12:56 |
| diplo | Well one of our customers had a PCI compliancy test, we're not pci compliant anyhoo so not sure why they had it, but it showed a fair few failings | 12:56 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: well, if that doesn't get them moving, nothing will | 12:56 |
| diplo | MooDoo: Small company, most people been there 10-25 years ( this code was written in assembly before ) | 12:56 |
| MooDoo | diplo: ah that explains it.... | 12:57 |
| diplo | That's why I wanted to try and find some good docs to send | 12:57 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: at least set up proper firewalls (including some detection of repeated attempts at bad stuff, like fail2ban) | 12:57 |
| diplo | At least I've felt like I've done my part | 12:57 |
| diplo | yeah, anything I've setup does. | 12:57 |
| diplo | We run SMEServer, I hadn't heard of it before joining | 12:58 |
| MartijnVdS | proper release plans, including deprecation of old versions? | 12:58 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: looks like there are more - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26287517 :) | 12:58 |
| diplo | But it's based on centos4 ( eol ) | 12:58 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: good thing I run openwrt :) | 12:58 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: though I did have to patch my NAS.. | 12:58 |
| diplo | hah, MartijnVdS that's where I want to get to! I think we need a fulltime sysadmin for all customer sites but not getting that through to them | 12:59 |
| MooDoo | :) I never got round to attatching my hdd to the router, glad I didn't lol | 12:59 |
| jussi | Ramen noodles just hit the spot sometimes... | 12:59 |
| MooDoo | jussi: ooo yeah we have a wagamammas here and I love chicken ramen | 13:00 |
| jussi | especially when they arent the cheapest crappy ones, but the ones that include some sort of "paste" garlic, chilli etc. | 13:00 |
| MartijnVdS | jussi: you know "ramen" is just the Dutch word for "windows", right? ;) | 13:00 |
| jussi | MartijnVdS: heh | 13:00 |
| dwatkins | So if you combine Windows ME, Windows CE and Windows NT in the Netherlands, you get ramen cement... | 13:20 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: you might :) | 13:26 |
| dwatkins | I was looking into Tor the other week, it has a bootable ISO which presents a linux environment that looks very much like Windows XP. | 13:27 |
| dwatkins | in case you want to hide the fact you're running linux | 13:27 |
| MooDoo | windows rocks...[/troll mode off] | 13:39 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: have you ever *tried* throwing rocks at windows? ;) | 13:40 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: no, I just multiboot rocks at windows when I get fed up with ubuntu lol | 13:40 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: then you see Win8, and you quickly reboot into Ubuntu again? ;) | 13:41 |
| MartijnVdS | (because of its sanity, of course) | 13:41 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: lol actually I quite like 8.1 :D | 13:41 |
| MartijnVdS | it's good enough to run games on.. and probably web browsers/office stuff as well | 13:42 |
| MartijnVdS | but I couldn't code on it | 13:42 |
| foobarry | i hate vmware grrrrr | 13:42 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: I like visual studio | 13:43 |
| foobarry | spent all day trying to get some vds working | 13:43 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: I prefer vim :) | 13:43 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: if you run vmware illegally, is it "vmwarez"? | 13:43 |
| foobarry | final step, everything got destroyed | 13:43 |
| foobarry | lolz | 13:43 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: you can't get vmware illegally lol it's free :p | 13:44 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: there must be some way to break their T&Cs | 13:45 |
| foobarry | vsphere isn't free | 13:45 |
| shauno | they have paid versions too. fusion & workstation aren't free | 13:45 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: I don't know coz for vmware esx/vsphere you actually need a license | 13:45 |
| MooDoo | i was referring to esxi which is :) | 13:45 |
| foobarry | well its all shagged | 13:46 |
| foobarry | i have 3 hrs to fix | 13:46 |
| MooDoo | lol oops | 13:46 |
| shauno | hm; someone, somewhere must have a 3hr version of the countdown tune | 13:46 |
| MartijnVdS | or a 3 hour drumroll | 13:47 |
| dwatkins | foobarry: at least having already done it, this process should be faster | 13:47 |
| foobarry | no | 13:47 |
| dwatkins | oh, bah | 13:47 |
| MooDoo | you could use this 10 min one a few times on repeat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V3-OgjtSJQ | 13:47 |
| foobarry | seting up a distributed switch requires runes and chanting | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ openvswitch | 13:48 |
| dwatkins | I think I'd rather listen to 10 hours of Nyan Cat. | 13:49 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| daubers | dwatkins: But to some people that's purest pleasure! | 13:50 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: yes but those people are out on the far end of the bell curve | 13:50 |
| daubers | s/bell/hell/ | 13:50 |
| daubers | fixed that for you :) | 13:51 |
| MooDoo | check this one out then :) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktbhw0v186Q | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: a night at the roxbury! | 13:53 |
| MooDoo | lol | 13:53 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: that's what that's from - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120770/ | 13:53 |
| MooDoo | yeah I know :D just smiled | 13:53 |
| dwatkins | daubers: yeah, some people are twisted ;) | 13:57 |
| dwatkins | This is my theme for the day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM - Happy, by Pharrell Williams | 13:57 |
| daubers | I'm qui9te happy listening to the Mirrors Edge soundtrack | 14:07 |
| dwatkins | neat | 14:07 |
| foobarry | 2hrs 30....no progress :( | 14:09 |
| dwatkins | what caused the disaster, foobarry? | 14:09 |
| dwatkins | is it something you could recover the data from somehow? | 14:09 |
| foobarry | everything resides in vcenter server | 14:09 |
| foobarry | when u set it up , the last step is to migrate the vecenter to the new distrobuited switch you creaated | 14:10 |
| foobarry | but if it goes wrong, the esxi hosts get screwed | 14:10 |
| foobarry | and the mutant vecnter server is managing them but can't start | 14:10 |
| dwatkins | I'm guessing you don't have a backup from that point in time, though. | 14:11 |
| foobarry | no, its not a backupable thing | 14:11 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, some articles on their site suggest you could do a database restore etc. | 14:12 |
| xnox_ | Laney: ouch..... that was bad shot.... GB cleared their own stones out of the house..... | 14:12 |
| foobarry | i wasn't at that stage | 14:12 |
| dwatkins | :( | 14:12 |
| foobarry | meanwhile i have someone sitting next to me who hasn't moved a muscle in 3 hours | 14:13 |
| MartijnVdS | is he pining for the fjords? | 14:13 |
| foobarry | pinig for p45 | 14:17 |
| dwatkins | I worked with someone once who stopped working when there was a threat of redundancies, in the hope he would get laid-off. I think he failed in his attempts, though. | 14:22 |
| foobarry | kinda stressful as i've been working my tits off for the last 2 months | 14:26 |
| dwatkins | yeah, that sucks | 14:37 |
| dwatkins | that it's all having to be re-done, that is | 14:37 |
| bigcalm | Due to buying the recent HIB, I have a spare copy of Antichamber for a good home (you need to be on steam) | 14:38 |
| MartijnVdS | I already have SuperMatt's copy | 14:39 |
| MooDoo | bigcalm: if you're giving it away, I'll have it :D | 14:41 |
| SuperMatt | MartijnVdS: you forgot to add "because SuperMatt is awesome" | 14:41 |
| bigcalm | MooDoo: are you on steam? | 14:42 |
| MooDoo | bigcalm: yes I'm just trying to login to get my id or what ever you need. | 14:42 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: what's your SUper Hexagon record? ;) | 14:43 |
| SuperMatt | I haven't played yet | 14:43 |
| SuperMatt | my schedule is normally extremely rammed | 14:44 |
| MooDoo | bigcalm: THANKS :) | 14:44 |
| dwatkins | I still havn't played Banished having bought it on the day it was out (18th) | 14:45 |
| andyc | Does anyone here mount home over a network? I do this but have occasional problems when something goes wrong with my file server, making my machine grind to a halt as my /home has dissappeared. Is there a reliable way to do this? | 14:45 |
| MartijnVdS | andyc: yes, don't make the file server disappear ;) | 14:45 |
| andyc | :P | 14:45 |
| dwatkins | you could mirror it instead, I suppose | 14:45 |
| MartijnVdS | I've switched back to local /home with backups | 14:45 |
| andyc | MartijnVdS, This is what I was going to do actually | 14:46 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hmm, first read that as "Does anyone here mount over a home network"... Ooops :-( | 14:46 |
| bigcalm | MooDoo: most welcome | 14:46 |
| andyc | Do you keep pictures/videos/etc separate and mount those in your home? | 14:47 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 14:49 |
| MartijnVdS | I mount them in /mnt/videos | 14:49 |
| MartijnVdS | etc. | 14:49 |
| andyc | OK thanks, I do that too at the moment but symlink them to /home/$/Videos. It's not really working out | 14:50 |
| MartijnVdS | why not? | 14:52 |
| MartijnVdS | also, which network file system do you use? | 14:52 |
| MartijnVdS | cifs? nfs? something else? | 14:52 |
| andyc | sshfs or nfs usually | 14:52 |
| MartijnVdS | sshfs lacks operations that some programs *need* to function, also, a lot slower than nfs ;) | 14:53 |
| andyc | interesting I didn't know that | 14:53 |
| dwatkins | you could also use iscsi or aoe, which might be faster (since it just passes the disk's own communication straight across the network without additional layers such as security) | 15:02 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: iscsi + ipsec! | 15:03 |
| dwatkins | sounds like a combination full of win, MartijnVdS | 15:03 |
| dwatkins | grep -R is my friend | 15:06 |
| andyc | cool thanks for the suggestions. I'll likely be reinstalling all machines come 14.04 time so will look in to it | 15:06 |
| andyc | getting a couple of hdds for the server soon so just planning how I'm going to organise it all | 15:08 |
| diplo | Anyone know much about php cli in here? | 15:52 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: I know to avoid it ;) | 15:52 |
| MartijnVdS | diplo: what do you want to know? | 15:52 |
| diplo | I've got a ph cli prog that calls soap | 15:52 |
| diplo | Works fine everywhere apart from my new vps | 15:52 |
| diplo | Runs and quits, no errors in any logs | 15:53 |
| diplo | but doesn't do anything | 15:53 |
| diplo | just goes back to the prompt | 15:53 |
| diplo | Can't work out how to debug it :/ | 15:53 |
| diplo | Nothing has been written to any log files at all, soap defo working ok as I have a page that calls the same thing but in a web page and displays correctly | 15:54 |
| diplo | So ruling out soap library issue | 15:54 |
| diplo | Ah, think I have it! | 16:02 |
| diplo | :) | 16:02 |
| bigcalm | Woo, Nationwide be numpties: I'm sorry to hear you're still unable to view your Nationwide <$_PLACEHOLDER:name=insert,description=insert,values=,type=text_$> account online. I've forwarded your message to our Technology department who will investigate this further; your Incident Reference is <$_PLACEHOLDER:name=insert,description=insert,values=,type=text_$>, please quote this in any communications. | 16:03 |
| dwatkins | can you reply with "Thanks $GENERIC_MAILMERGE_APPLICATION"? | 16:08 |
| diplo | And fixed! | 16:09 |
| dwatkins | what was it, diplo? | 16:09 |
| dwatkins | magic... | 16:09 |
| diplo | Umm, me | 16:12 |
| diplo | Well partially | 16:12 |
| diplo | So I basically loop through a db of products looking for a certain type of code, if it exists we do a soap call to grab info for it | 16:12 |
| diplo | Well someone upgraded the server, and I hadn't committed the changes to the code that the program calls into our trunk, I've been building it manually.. noone told me it had been upgraded | 16:13 |
| diplo | So basically the info it was looking for wasn't there.. | 16:13 |
| diplo | Just set myself a case to say, 'No info here dumb***" or something just so it reminds me if something similar happens again | 16:13 |
| dwatkins | groovy | 16:16 |
| dwatkins | fun with version mismatches | 16:16 |
| diplo | Yeah, I've coded rounded the issues we have, but hadn't committed changes till about 2 hours ago | 16:18 |
| diplo | Was upgraded yesterday | 16:18 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/rare8nxoi3rpyb4/comparison.png | 17:03 |
| daftykins | telco called this morning to say some form of issue was identified in the exchange - thus i am now on a 'new route', seems he didn't understand well enough to tell me exactly | 17:03 |
| daftykins | so my downstream SNR is back up and full rate restored :D | 17:04 |
| dwatkins | they didn't understand signal-to-noise? What kind of technician were they? ;) | 17:06 |
| mapps | hello | 17:09 |
| daftykins | dwatkins: well no he just didn't explain what was changed in any technical form | 17:14 |
| dwatkins | daftykins: fair enough, I suppose - probably just got their callcentre to make a bunch of calls to everyone who logged an issue | 17:38 |
| mapps | urgh | 17:38 |
| mapps | saving moneys hard | 17:38 |
| dwatkins | are you? | 17:38 |
| mapps | need to yea | 17:38 |
| mapps | else il never get enough of a deposit together | 17:39 |
| MartijnVdS | Does anyone remember what the problem was with supporting Via C3 CPUs? | 17:58 |
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| MartijnVdS | Was it just PAE, or also something else? (some compiler flag) | 17:58 |
| MartijnVdS | ah CMOV, that's it | 17:58 |
| MartijnVdS | but I have that flag.. hmm | 17:59 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW | ||
| === sammyjg123 is now known as SammyJG123 | ||
| maps|wrk | hello | 19:17 |
| MartijnVdS | evening | 19:27 |
| maps|wrk | up to much? what was all that virtualisation stuff you were talking of earlier not vmware something else | 19:28 |
| MartijnVdS | kvm? | 19:29 |
| MartijnVdS | + virt-manager ? | 19:29 |
| maps|wrk | tyhat could be it but also mention lib something | 19:29 |
| MartijnVdS | libvirt-bin | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | (the stuff that virt-manager talks to) | 19:31 |
| maps|wrk | aha | 19:31 |
| maps|wrk | and kvm comes in where | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | libvirt can manage all kinds of virtualization methods | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | kvm being one of the best integrated ones | 19:32 |
| maps|wrk | aha | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | and you can use virt-manager to create VMs etc | 19:32 |
| maps|wrk | not entirtely sure on kvm i remember reading up a tiny bit about it | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | maps|wrk: do you know qemu? | 19:33 |
| maps|wrk | nop heard of but nothing more..why | 19:33 |
| maps|wrk | kvm and qemu is different to a normal vmware/vbox virtualisation? | 19:33 |
| MartijnVdS | well, KVM is a kernel module to do virtualization, and it's most often used using a special qemu :) | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | qemu can also *emulate* instead of virtualize | 19:34 |
| maps|wrk | when you say kernel so u dont boot into an os to run a virtual? | 19:34 |
| MooDoo | evening all | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | you boot Ubuntu, then it starts libvirt which starts VMs running on that Ubuntu machine | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | so similar to virtualbox | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | but Free and less crappy ;) | 19:35 |
| maps|wrk | aha | 19:35 |
| maps|wrk | and thats kvm? | 19:35 |
| maps|wrk | so where does qemu come in if kvm can do it all | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | what most people mean when they say "kvm" is that, yes. | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | maps|wrk: you use the "kvm" kernel parts with a special "qemu" binary | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | that does not emulate (like it normally would), but that hands over control to kvm instead | 19:36 |
| MooDoo | is it sad I look forward to my daily apt-get dist-upgrade? | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ | 19:36 |
| maps|wrk | aha | 19:36 |
| maps|wrk | daily?:P | 19:37 |
| MooDoo | maps|wrk: yeah daily :D | 19:37 |
| MartijnVdS | trusty -> daily upgrade | 19:37 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: it's not sad :) | 19:37 |
| MooDoo | :S | 19:37 |
| MooDoo | :D | 19:37 |
| daftykins | MooDoo: are you a gambling man? :D | 19:39 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: for the last 3-4 releases, the "unstable" one has been surprisingly good | 19:39 |
| MooDoo | daftykins: when it comes to ubuntu yup indeedy, dist-upgrade and it's 50/50 if it'll boot again or not lol | 19:39 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:40 |
| maps|wrk | lol | 19:40 |
| maps|wrk | so i shiuldnt do a dist-upgrade remotely now | 19:41 |
| maps|wrk | else i may lose my irc;p | 19:41 |
| MooDoo | well mine is fine :D then again i've not rebooted since doing it lol | 19:41 |
| maps|wrk | hmm ok chrome just crashed says crashed send error report etc on my work machine | 19:43 |
| maps|wrk | so i ignored it and dragged the error box to the corner and everything seems to be ok:) | 19:44 |
| maps|wrk | anyone evr extended/boosted their wireless signal? | 20:38 |
| maps|wrk | most products im looking at dont seem to give a range | 20:38 |
| foobarry | notices opensourcerer's name on http://standards.data.gov.uk/proposal/sharing-collaborating-government-documents | 20:46 |
| maps|wrk | contempt: having internet problems?:< | 20:52 |
| ilinux | Hi | 20:52 |
| MartijnVdS | maps|wrk: "If you're having net problems I feel bad for you son, I have 99 problem but IP ain't one" | 20:53 |
| maps|wrk | lol | 20:53 |
| maps|wrk | hi ilinux | 20:53 |
| maps|wrk | :) | 20:53 |
| ilinux | this empathy irc window is gonna take some getting used to lol | 20:54 |
| ilinux | I choose the ilinux nick as I have a white Toshiba laptop that looks like a kmac wannabe | 20:55 |
| ilinux | *mac | 20:55 |
| maps|wrk | haha | 20:58 |
| maps|wrk | :D | 20:58 |
| maps|wrk | what version you on ubuntu 13.10? | 20:59 |
| ilinux | yeah | 21:00 |
| ilinux | Empathy just crashed :( | 21:00 |
| maps|wrk | aha | 21:01 |
| maps|wrk | im on xubuntu 13.10 what specs your laptop | 21:01 |
| ilinux | dualcore pentium with 8gb ram | 21:03 |
| ilinux | funny thing is ubuntu is running much faster than xfce manjaro was | 21:03 |
| maps|wrk | hm | 21:04 |
| maps|wrk | surprising, xfce is meant to be lightweight | 21:04 |
| maps|wrk | i like xfce :) | 21:04 |
| ilinux | I think it's due to some of the tools I was using ubuntuone and some others maybe. Interestingly Ubuntu shows no startup apps | 21:05 |
| ilinux | My favorite DE is probably lxde | 21:06 |
| ilinux | I loved lubuntu but haven't tried xubuntu for a few years. Is it good? | 21:09 |
| maps|wrk | hm yea ive used lubumtu | 21:10 |
| maps|wrk | howcome youre using ubuntu now if you like lubuntu | 21:10 |
| maps|wrk | ilike it ilinux running it on an old dell desktop./.2gb ram dual core thing..it works fine but if i compile something big..wow it sounds like a plans taking off:D | 21:11 |
| ilinux | I thought I'd give 13.10 a go. | 21:11 |
| maps|wrk | xubuntu 13.10:) | 21:12 |
| ilinux | I don't hate unity or anything but I'll give it a tryout and maybe go with lubuntu or xubuntu | 21:12 |
| ilinux | Ah stuff it I might just give xubuntu a go in a minute lol | 21:13 |
| maps|wrk | so ubuntu doesnt use gnome anymore? | 21:15 |
| ilinux | ubuntu uses gnome | 21:16 |
| ilinux | unity is built on gnome shell | 21:16 |
| ilinux | isn't it? | 21:17 |
| jpds | ilinux: Nope. | 21:33 |
| maps|wrk | hello# | 23:03 |
| diddledan | morning | 23:03 |
| shauno | o/ | 23:03 |
| diddledan | edward snowden tribute linux? | 23:04 |
| * diddledan just listening to the linux voice podcast | 23:04 | |
| diddledan | http://www.binaryemotions.com/snowden/ | 23:05 |
| maps|wrk | hm how long is it? | 23:06 |
| maps|wrk | what you upto shauno you're always here, ever sleep:P | 23:06 |
| shauno | seems a tad pointless? | 23:06 |
| diddledan | just over an hour | 23:06 |
| shauno | I always sleep | 23:07 |
| diddledan | perl is unreadable by human minds. does that mean it's actually non-free? (question posed by the podcast) | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | when was the ubuntu edge supposed to be released if it got funded? | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | wasn't it about now? | 23:11 |
| diddledan | ali1234: somewhen soon | 23:12 |
| diddledan | I don't recall the actual date | 23:12 |
| maps|wrk | what is edge | 23:12 |
| maps|wrk | note to self .. find out about pam tally :D | 23:13 |
| ali1234 | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge | 23:13 |
| maps|wrk | being that pam tally was the cause of my sudo issues and pam_tally --reset fixed it all:D | 23:15 |
| maps|wrk | watching 1st dates atm :D | 23:18 |
| shauno | May 2014 seems a bit silly for the delivery dates now. especially since most the stuff they were promising still doesn't exist | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | is that what they said? | 23:20 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't really seem that unrealistic to me | 23:20 |
| shauno | that's in the sidebar on the page you linked, at least | 23:21 |
| ali1234 | so it is :) | 23:21 |
| shauno | I'm not sure anyone's put that much ram in a phone yet? | 23:22 |
| diddledan | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2014/01/30/theres-a-giant-robot-directing-traffic-in-congo/ | 23:22 |
| shauno | last I heard apple were still the only ones with a 64bit phone | 23:22 |
| maps|wrk | how much ram | 23:23 |
| maps|wrk | ya think thats true atm | 23:23 |
| shauno | but then the edge apparently had a 'desktop class' cpu hidden up its sleeve. and a battery made out of unicorn farts to power it | 23:23 |
| popey | meow | 23:23 |
| ali1234 | quad core phones are quite common now, as is 2GB RAM and 64GB storage | 23:23 |
| diddledan | mmm, unicornmeat | 23:24 |
| maps|wrk | how much ram is it talking about tho | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | the edge was supposed to have 4GB | 23:24 |
| diddledan | c.f. http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e5a7/ | 23:24 |
| ali1234 | the galaxy S5 should be out soon and it's quite likely it will have better specs than the S4, which means at least 3GB ram and quad core | 23:27 |
| maps|wrk | ah | 23:27 |
| maps|wrk | what about the i6 | 23:27 |
| ali1234 | what is i6? | 23:27 |
| maps|wrk | 64bit more memory, maybe thinner..maybe a saphire screen..that'd be cool | 23:28 |
| maps|wrk | iphone 6:D | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | oh you mean iphone | 23:28 |
| maps|wrk | september it'll be out | 23:28 |
| maps|wrk | ya | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | well, iphone is not sold on specs | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | so don't expect anything amazing, except maybe that hi res screen | 23:28 |
| maps|wrk | apple have apparently been buying up saphire production stuff ..and that stuff makes pretty tough displays | 23:28 |
| maps|wrk | id go for a tough display OVER anything else atm | 23:28 |
| * hamitron would go for something that is sweat resistant :/ | 23:29 | |
| maps|wrk | ah yea for sure..when i use my iphone if i take a call after the gym like uhh phone gets sweaty and then cant use any of the buttons | 23:30 |
| maps|wrk | but a tougher screen would be so handy, atm its way too easy to break the screens imo | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | i don't know how people do it personally | 23:30 |
| maps|wrk | break their screens? | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | yes | 23:30 |
| hamitron | my ngage died when I was working and sweat drowned it inside my pocket last summer | 23:31 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | now you're really siiiiiide-talkin' | 23:31 |
| diddledan | a colleage managed to break two nexus7 displays shortly after each other | 23:31 |
| maps|wrk | uhh i dropped my i5 in the gym and the screen broke..dropped it onto a carpeted floor./mustve landed badly | 23:31 |
| maps|wrk | theyre quite fragile imo | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | well i have no experience of iphones | 23:31 |
| hamitron | ali1234, saved getting grease on the screen from my face ;) | 23:31 |
| maps|wrk | lol replaced the nexus7 displauy then broke it again or 2 diff ones diddledan ? | 23:31 |
| diddledan | replaced thefirst display and killed the second shortly after | 23:32 |
| hamitron | I dropped my nokia lumia 710 on my motorbike onto the road at 50-60mph | 23:32 |
| hamitron | and it lives | 23:32 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 23:32 |
| maps|wrk | you went back to get it? musnt have been a really busy road i guess? | 23:33 |
| hamitron | country lane | 23:33 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:33 |
| maps|wrk | well me personallly i think saphire displays would be ace | 23:33 |
| ali1234 | nokia knows how to build stuff that doesn't beak | 23:33 |
| hamitron | I thought it had broken this week actually | 23:33 |
| maps|wrk | http://www.stuff.tv/apple/apple-iphone-6-and-iwatch-could-have-unscratchable-sapphire-screens/news | 23:33 |
| hamitron | I filled the memory and it lost data :/ | 23:34 |
| hamitron | but all working fine now | 23:34 |
| diddledan | what are we supposed to call nokia phones now they're wholly owned by not nokia? | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | more importantly, who cares? | 23:34 |
| hamitron | I'm calling mine lumia, just to hide the MS link | 23:34 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | nobody is fooled | 23:34 |
| * hamitron cries | 23:35 | |
| maps|wrk | http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/539776/20140221/iphone-6-price-significantly-increases-due-sapphire.htm | 23:35 |
| maps|wrk | thats bad though | 23:35 |
| maps|wrk | price increase..the phones already cost a fortune sim free and off contract | 23:35 |
| hamitron | I just wish there was some other option to windows phones, that I liked | 23:35 |
| maps|wrk | windows phones dont have enough apps iirc? developers dont bother with them droid and ios before windows? | 23:36 |
| maps|wrk | what do nokia phones run now? i thought i read Nokia were releasing a low budget android handset? | 23:36 |
| hamitron | well, I've found enough apps to fill 8GB | 23:36 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:36 |
| diddledan | maps|wrk: any androids that come out of nokia would have been planned before the microsoft takeover | 23:37 |
| maps|wrk | so what will new nokia handsets run | 23:37 |
| diddledan | windows | 23:37 |
| hamitron | MS have pretty much bought their mobiles unit | 23:38 |
| hamitron | still wish I could get a phone like a n900 that has a basic linux distro on it | 23:39 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:39 |
| diddledan | even ubuntu touch is a weird locked-down beast | 23:39 |
| hamitron | a toy with control, no real apps needed, just.... a toy | 23:40 |
| maps|wrk | n900 had just linux | 23:40 |
| maps|wrk | isnt there some handsets that are made to a small number that run linux read some link ages ago | 23:40 |
| maps|wrk | noty a big manufacturer obv | 23:40 |
| maps|wrk | so windows mobile is it diddledan ? | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | yeah, the firefox phone | 23:40 |
| diddledan | maps|wrk: windows phone | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | they were pretty rubbish | 23:41 |
| hamitron | it has to be decent specs ofc | 23:41 |
| ali1234 | specs wise, they were bottom-end smartphones | 23:41 |
| ali1234 | roughly equivalent to galaxy S1 iirc | 23:41 |
| diddledan | the openmoko? | 23:41 |
| hamitron | 200mhz+ cpu would do me, with 512MB memory | 23:41 |
| hamitron | but a good screen | 23:41 |
| hamitron | and open source drivers | 23:41 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:41 |
| ali1234 | you can't have a good screen and a 200mhz cpu | 23:41 |
| ali1234 | it's not possible | 23:42 |
| diddledan | the openmoko was low-end even back when it was released | 23:42 |
| hamitron | I only want 480x800 | 23:42 |
| hamitron | or something | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | drawing things on the screen takes work and when you double the resolution your quadruple the amount of work | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | 480x800 is what the N900 had | 23:42 |
| hamitron | that is fine | 23:42 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | the N900 only had one crippling flaw and that is the resistive touchscreen | 23:43 |
| maps|wrk | that could be the one diddledan | 23:43 |
| hamitron | ali1234, supply is now the issue | 23:43 |
| hamitron | at the time, price was my main issue with it | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | hamitron: not really, there are plenty of them still available | 23:43 |
| maps|wrk | i like the idea of the firefox phone and eveything html5 no locked down eco system/walled garden -0 the phones are low spec BUT they also cost a fraction of say an i5/s4 | 23:43 |
| hamitron | ali1234, just scared of getting a fake | 23:43 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | a fake?? | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | you can walk in to any cash converter type store and buy one | 23:44 |
| hamitron | I want new | 23:44 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | well, you won't get a new one | 23:44 |
| hamitron | 99.8% of 2nd hand phones have shit on them | 23:44 |
| hamitron | as loads use them at the toilet | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | literally? | 23:44 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:44 |
| hamitron | yeh | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | nice | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | get a second hand one and clean it | 23:44 |
| hamitron | clean it? | 23:45 |
| hamitron | :| | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | it's actually relatively easy to disassemble | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | anyway, you want to get a neo900 | 23:45 |
| hamitron | are all the drivers open? | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | hell no | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | that isn't possible | 23:46 |
| hamitron | yeh :/ | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | unless you only want GSM 9600 bps | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | http://neo900.org/ | 23:46 |
| hamitron | just looking | 23:46 |
| hamitron | not actually heard of it tbh | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | it's run by a very well known and trusted member of maemo and openmoko community | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | so no worries about them running away with the money | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | they might totally fail to deliver of course | 23:47 |
| ali1234 | but they are capable of delivering, assuming nothing unexected happens | 23:48 |
| hamitron | that is exactly what I want tbh | 23:48 |
| hamitron | :D | 23:48 |
| ali1234 | not quite, it will still have the nasty reisstive touch screen | 23:48 |
| hamitron | well, nearest I'll get | 23:48 |
| maps|wrk | whats that | 23:49 |
| hamitron | suppose I'll miss my live tiles | 23:49 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:49 |
| maps|wrk | reissitive? | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | resistive touchscreen is the old type of touchscreen that is really innaccurate and needs a stylus | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | and you have to press on it really hard | 23:50 |
| maps|wrk | ah | 23:50 |
| maps|wrk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f347m914gY | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | if you had a smartphone before iphone, it probably had a resistive screen | 23:51 |
| maps|wrk | watching that - cant wait for august | 23:51 |
| hamitron | omg ali1234 | 23:52 |
| hamitron | the price | 23:52 |
| hamitron | :/ | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | yes? | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | well that's what a new N900 would cost you | 23:52 |
| hamitron | 600 t 850 euro | 23:52 |
| hamitron | to* | 23:52 |
| hamitron | I've never paid more than £99 for a phone | 23:53 |
| hamitron | ;) | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | i've never paid anything for a phone | 23:53 |
| hamitron | my statement stands for no contract | 23:53 |
| hamitron | :) | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | i've never had a contract phone either | 23:54 |
| maps|wrk | i was wondering what to do about my phone when i go abroad..dont really wanna take an iphone 5 incase i lose it or whatever - just take a crap old non smartphone? | 23:54 |
| hamitron | aha! someone as tight as me! \o/ | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | maps|wrk: that video should have ended with him going on a killing spree | 23:54 |
| maps|wrk | lol | 23:54 |
| maps|wrk | why | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | i dunno | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | ever seen that film, american beauty? | 23:55 |
| maps|wrk | ya | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | video reminded me of that | 23:55 |
| shauno | do you lose phones often? | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | i've only ever lost one phone | 23:57 |
| diddledan | I don't think I've ever lost a phone | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | it was a philips diga | 23:58 |
| maps|wrk | na i dont,..but id be in ibiza | 23:58 |
| maps|wrk | figured could be easy to lose one | 23:59 |
| shauno | my main worry taking a phone on holiday is that I'll end up using it. and then have to take out a 2nd mortgage to pay for the data | 23:59 |
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